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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Text line is always going right out to the kwait
comm sproll hotline though, and getting a very special guest,
Greg Camp of The Defiant formally guitarist of smash Mouth, Greg,
how you doing this evening?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey, what's happening?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Guys doing great here?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Man?
Speaker 4 (00:14):
I was absolutely mind blown when ferg over here revealed
that he that he knew who you were, and.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
We got to get him on the show. We got
to talk to him.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I was a big fan of Walking on the Snow
and that song came out back in the day, and
I want to ask you about what life was like,
what life went like after that song exploded. When that
song came out, I was like, there's nothing else like
this on the air right now. This guy's gout likes
a doors feel to it. There's nothing like this. And
then you know the story behind that. I guess it
wasn't that wasn't that buried on one of your demos
and your drummer accidentally found it exactly.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Yeah, it was sitting in a shoe box on a
cassette tape. It had been passed on by the band
that I was in before smash Mouth, and you know
he found the song on the tape and he's like,
what's this is why you been hiding this song? I'm like, God,
I was told that that song.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Anyway.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Yeah, that's almost thirty years ago. Guys.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Wow, time flash.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
You know what, Greg, here's an interesting thing about you.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
And I was telling Ben, like, when we first met,
our wives had met first, and I didn't know that
you were in the band because your wife didn't mention it.
She was like, oh, yeah, my husband is in the band.
And then no one is though my kids obviously our
kids were young at the time, and we're watching Shrek
movies and your song is playing in these Shrek songs.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
And to know that some of.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
These songs that you had a part in writing that,
How does that feel to know that you not only
just wrote this great song, but you wrote a song
that like a lot of kids that kind of grew
up on.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Yeah, it's amazing. It's I call it the gift that
keeps on giving. You know, every every day a child
is born, a new Shrek fan is born. Therefore a
new fan of All Star is born, you know.
Speaker 7 (02:01):
So, yeah, it's great.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
I'm very blessed. I'm very grateful for that song. It
found me.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
You know, that's that's a fascinating way to look at it.
I imagine, you know, anybody who ever played an instrument
dreams of you know, making it big and all that
kind of stuff. But what was it like going from
you know what where you were to when Walking on
the Sun blew up internationally and all of a sudden,
that song is everywhere and you guys are ubiquitous.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
It was pretty crazy because, you know, a month after
we got our record deal, you know.
Speaker 7 (02:32):
Well, actually, you know, the song got.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
On the radio thanks to our good friend Carson Daily
because he was working at a radio station in our
hometown of San Jose, just a just a radio guy,
and he started playing the song, and all of a sudden,
you know, we started getting phone calls from record companies,
and all of a sudden we were on a tour bus.
So yeah, life changed overnight. For sure.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Well that's crazy great.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
I never knew that that, like Carson Daily, had something
to do with actually, you know, putting you guys on
and is kind of blowing blowing you guys up now,
I mean, go into.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
That story just a little more so the listeners know.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Because the reason I say that is that I just
want people to know that the their level of success
can be one phone call away from someone who knows
someone else.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
So give me a little more on that story if
you could.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Well, I mean, we were all eating top ramen in
San Jose, including Carson. He was on a radio he
was on a radio station, you know, and he would
come out and see our band play, and we just
became friends with him. He was a fan of the
band when we were still playing in little clubs, and
you know, then he started working at Ko andMe we
started going in there at midnight, you know, on his
(03:41):
he had a late shift, and then you know, he
started playing us, and then the phone started ringing, and
then he got a better shift, which was at five o'clock,
you know, traffic time, and so he started playing us there,
and then all of a sudden he got hired at
k Rock in Los Angeles, and then that was it.
It just blew up the you know, Interscope records, those
Jimmy Iovine had us in his office and we had
(04:02):
a record deal.
Speaker 8 (04:04):
Hey, Greg Grant Smith here and I'm lucky enough to
work on our rock station at night here as well,
and we get to do this thing called studio CEE
where we get to hear the stories behind the songs
and ask artists about their songwriting process. And you're known
as writing the two biggest hits arguably for smash Mouth
with Your Time with Them, Walking on the Sun and
All Star. What's your songwriting process like and take us
(04:27):
a little behind the scenes of how you found All
Star to become that song that Nick said, you know
has like transcended time and now it's me finding new
generations right.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Well, I mean we that song All Stars on our
second album. We turned the album in that we thought
it was finished, and our record company was like, well,
you need two more songs. You need a number, you
need a first hit, a first single, and a second single.
You've got all the other ones, where like there are
other singles on a self you know. And so I was,
(05:00):
you know, equal parts angry and equal parts, you know,
like it was a challenge, you know, and I'm like,
I'm going to show these guys what I can do.
And I wrote all Star and the other song then
the Morning Comes, which was our second single.
Speaker 7 (05:12):
Off that album, in a few days and sent them.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
A demo of them and they're like, Okay, we're good,
go record those and we'll see.
Speaker 7 (05:20):
You guys at the Grammys.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So wow, totally great camp that defined and smashed Craig.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Let me let me ask you.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Did it start with a sound or does it start
with the lyrics? Like for you with this process, does
it start with the music or the lyrics?
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Song?
Speaker 5 (05:38):
That started with an idea, and it was we were
reading fan mail and we noticed that a lot of
kids that liked our band were sort of outcasts. They
were bullied kids. They were kind of nerdy, you know,
kids that had been bullied by their friends and their
parents and their brothers and sisters and so on, and
so we just wanted to write a song. You know,
(06:01):
I set out to write a song that was sort
of like an affirmation for those people, and it just
ends up just being, you know, a monster. It just
went crazy.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
So that is a fascinating to hear that type of story.
But how how would you compare you know, that era
of nineties music to today and how has it changed?
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Well, I mean, for one thing, you're not selling physical
copies anymore. It's like we were lucky enough to sort
of like get through that window when it was still open,
you know, like selling CDs and you know, and now
it's just all streaming. It's in the it's it's in space.
You know, you could just like get it for free.
And so, you know, things are so much different now.
(06:46):
People have to work very hard now. You know, they
have to go out and tour. Their ticket prices are astronomical,
They have to sell lots of merch. They have to
be on the road, you know, most of the time.
They have to do all their writing and creative you know,
two things out there on the road. And you know,
when we were there, yeah, we toured a lot, but
(07:07):
I was able to come home for at least a
few months and sort of like write the next album
and get in the studio and record it and then
get back out on the road and start the cycle again.
It's just it's a totally different thing now.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Well that was what I was going.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
To ask you, is the evolution of the industry is
that has moved towards the streaming. Sounds to me like
you're saying it's not necessarily better.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
I'm saying that I'm glad I was there.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
I like I like the you know, it wasn't broken,
So what happened?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
You know?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Fair enough?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Fair enough talking with you like Greg Camp.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
So Greg, now that you know the whole thing with
Smash Raw has run his course. What are you doing now?
How do you kind of scratch that music with Itch Well?
Speaker 7 (07:50):
I live in Nashville.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
I still do, you know, sync music for film and
TV once in a while. It's like mostly like writing
songs for scenes in film and televison and shows. I'm
also in kind of a supergroup called The Defiant. It's
which with Dicky Barrett from The Mighty Mighty boss Tones,
Piparata from The Offspring, and Joey Roka from The Briggs.
(08:13):
And we're just sort of.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
Like this kind of hyper pop punk.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Some people might consider us a little political. I don't
know for political.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
We're just more like doing what punk rock.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Has always done, which is sort of like question authority
and you know that sort of thing. So that's what
I'm doing.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
I'm also writing songs here.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
In town for people, and I'm developing young artists. I
love working with young people and you know, telling them
what to and what not to do and try to
guide them through it, kind of navigate them through this
crazy world if they want to, if they want to
be in it, you know.
Speaker 8 (08:49):
Yeah, I mean, that is a crazy world. And you know,
you were out on the road for a lot of years.
How do you compare what you're doing now to being
out on tour. I mean, we always hear musicians talk
about how grueling but also rewarding it is going out
on tour.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Which did which do you like more?
Speaker 8 (09:05):
Did you like being out on the road all the
time and playing playing in front of new people every night,
or do you like what you're doing now kind of
mentoring the youth artists and trying to make them successful.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
If you ask anybody who tours, they'll say, you know,
when they're on tour, they want to be home, and
when they're home, they want to be on tours. That's
just the way it is. It's like anyone will say
that I prefer being more behind the scenes and being
in the studio these days. I of course, you know,
when I see a tour bus drive by, which I
do many many times a day here in Nashville, I'm like, Oh,
(09:39):
I wonder who's on that. I bet they're having so
much fun. I bet they have no chores.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
And I bet they have no one bothering that.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
It's a party every night, you know, but you can
only do that for so long. And I you know,
now my day is like I wake up and you know,
take care of my chickens, and you know, make sure
everyone's fad and I prefer that I'm a family man.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
We'll to ask one for you for Greg, if you
had to go to a concert, right who would.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
That artist be? Like? Right now?
Speaker 6 (10:10):
If you just kind of look at the music industry
right now, what artists you say?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
You know what? I would love to attend that concert.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
Okay, So that's a great question.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Bruno Mars played here last night and he basically shut
this whole town down. You couldn't go anywhere this this
place is a mess. But I would have loved to
see that show. Sabrina Carpenter. I saw her Coachella performance
and I was just like wow, like she's really got
it going on. And then a friend of mine just
(10:41):
told me that Mike d from Beastie Boys has just
announced I think two two of three shows in Brooklyn
and and she ended up winning some tickets for it.
So I'm hoping to get out there for that. But yeah,
I mean that's I love. I went. I go see
show all the time. I live here. In music City,
(11:02):
so I go see stuff all the time.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
That's yeah, it's always interesting to get the you know,
the musicians take on the musicians.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Musician.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Is it where I imagine Bruno Mors puts on act
of a show, you know, just just the pageantry and
everything else.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Would you see what he's what he's been.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Able to do for your your your man, you're curly
with it to find the supergroup that you talked about.
If if people wanted to go look up a song
to get to give them an intro into that, which
song would you recommend they go stream right away?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
I definitely would recommend the song Dead Language. And there's
a video for it on YouTube. Most of our songs
have videos, So if you just look up the Defiant
and check out Dead Language, that's that's a good intro.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Well, Greg Man, thanks for giving us some of your time,
and and you know, tell the wife and the kids,
me and Gladdy we sent our love to you guys.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
In Nashville and you too.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
I can't believe it's been about what four years since
I've seen you guys, and we love you and we
can't wait to come visit you again.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
All right, Well, hey, listen man, the house is open.
You want to come back, the house is.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Open and right back at you.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
All right, appreciated, man, thanks for thanks for joining us.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
All right, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, take care.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Greg Camp from smash Mouth and The Defiant, he said,
go check out Dead Language by The Defiant as a
good intro song for that band and what they're about.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
That's a that's a really cool dude.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Man.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I always love down the Earth, you know, rock stars,
guy was this song is one of the biggest songs
in the world. He has several songs with the biggest
songs in the world and just humble enough to law
jump on and you know. And of course Nick Nick
Fergus has been holding out on the celebrity entourage.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
Time and now they's full time. We're digging in there
full time.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
We're digging into all of it.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Wait a minute, man, See, Okay, so I have to.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Be really selective with how I go about this because
the reason I say that because I have worked at
the place once before and it was said to.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Me, oh, oh, that's kind of a power flex for you.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
To say that you know this person, and I'm like, well,
I'm not that type of individual. I like to say,
I'm able to get to know people and if there's
an opportunity to bring them on and introduce them to
other people in the audience, I like to do that well.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
And I would say that's one.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Of your one of the qualities I admire most about you.
If I don't tell you this enough, is like you
are one of those people who always makes a new
friend everywhere you go.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
You know what I really do.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
But you know know who's I'm not gonna say worse
but better than I am at doing that is my wife.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yeah, I mean I have to do that.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
This is Ferguson.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Doesn't want to meet me because I'm the guy who
kidnapped me every night, and she set out in the
car for nine minutes before you come in.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
She doesn't think, see neither one you guys that met
my wife yet starting to take that personally, well, I
mean I understand, Well, then I understand. Come on, man,
So so we're gonna have to arrange where that that
can actually take place. But my wife is a huge
(13:54):
people person, and she speaks to everyone, almost to a
point where it's like my kids like, come on, man, Dad,
tell her, let's go.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
She's talking too much, but that is.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Just who she is from the type of person she is,
and Greg is that same way. Like Greg reminds me
a lot of you Grant. Right, you guys you know,
love love music. You guys are so respectful of other
people's time and the conversations. And just like my kids
when we lived in California, they didn't know that he
(14:26):
was in the band that.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
They're singing a song suit like like we we all found.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Out that a Bengo night.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
How did that come up? Actually, the school was.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Doing somewhat of a charity event and he was there
with his wife and kids, and since his wife and
my wife were friends, she introduced me to him and
just you know, we just started talking.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Was like, hey, what do you do?
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Right?
Speaker 6 (14:48):
You know, one of those those things because usually when
and Grant, you'll find us out. Whatever friend that your
wife has, they now become your friends.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
My wife would do things.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Like, well he likes sports and you like sports.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
You know, maybe.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And the wife are gonna be talking all night long, exactly.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
But it was one of those things where I mean
I was a football guy and he was in music,
and you know, someone saying, hey, listen, you know that
guy is in the band, and I'm like, oh, okay, cool,
and we just started talking. We never talked about what band,
so I never really knew, and then we just became friends.
And then later on, like two years later, I found
out he's a smash man.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
I think it's really cool whenever you talk to someone
who's reached like the pinnacle of their field, whether it
be an athlete or a musician or a doctor or
whatever it is, who knows that they've had an extreme
amount of success, but they're still down to earth like
Greg was, and still humble and still willing to talk
to whoever about whatever they want to learn. And it's
(15:50):
so cool that now he's mentoring young musicians and showing
them the right or the wrong, the right things to
do and how to avoid the wrong things.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
And the music films.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Becauld you imagine being a songwriter and not just writing
one hit, because you know how difficult that is to
write one hit or to write multiples.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, and your first hit was accidental.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
It was on a demo and your drummer just happing
to pick up some of your tapes go through it
and was like, dude, why you've been holding out?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
It's just it's just amazing some of the stories that
come out of some of the biggest like movie scripts
and music that that we listened to that we don't
know that behind the scenes and which which reminds me.
I mean, there was a moment when MTV used to
do that behind the scenes and h one behind the music. Well,
yes it was the Beach one one. Yes, yeah, we
(16:37):
got now we got pregnant teen Moms.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yep, right, well that was Greg Camp. We'll get that
up on the podcast and just a part of that.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
You can listen to that, and we're gonna try to
get to Nick to get his buddy Tom Cruise on
next Broncos Country Night back after this Grand Smith or
with you five six six nine zero the text line
Thanks to Greg Camp of smash Mouth for joining us
in the last segment.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I missed a part of that. You go to Broncos
Country Night dot com, slash.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Podcast or or each podcast, Apple iTunes, Spotify, the Free
and redesigned iHeartRadio, or you can also stream his Band
of Defiance, but not new episodes of Taking It for Granted.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Maybe I'll have a new episode with Greg Camp. Maybe
you will, probably not, Probably not? Why not what about
the band camp with the.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
Two ways I've had their basis don Okay, yeah, they're
from Athens, Ohio, well Columbus technically, but form the band
in Athens, where I'm from.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
You know what, Here's one thing I love about this
show is just being spontaneous and just having on just
rather eclectic guess that we can all see a part
of ourselves in those individuals and how hard they work
to get to where they are. As use it as
a way of inspiring people that, hey man, you may
(17:51):
run into some troubles or some things in your life,
but just know if you keep you know, pounding at it,
something happens. Just like the song just being in a
box somewhere. Just who would have thought.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
That send them a demo cassette in a box somewhere
and was told by his previous band when he wrote
it that the song sucked and the.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Other thing those guys feel exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
But think about that.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Here's the other thing too, knowing Carson Daily and how
that connection actually got them a record deal. Because when
you really think about it and you look at the
people that you know in your life, there has to
be someone who knows someone else that can move your
career forward, and how many people don't even expand the
network to even try.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
To do that.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I was going to ask if.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
You know, maybe Carson Daily, you know, if there was
a like a jealousy thing that eminem name dropped Carson
Daily before Smash Mount did in one of their songs.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
Dude, I used to rush home from school, run not
Fire Driveway CRL to see t RL. Yes, that was like,
that was that was the thing I remember because it
came out.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
TRL started like right when I was ending high school.
It's like ninety eight, I think, right when I was
ending high school, and I remember that being sort of
a thing. It was an interesting thing. They had a
bunch of interesting VJs. Then at the time, you know
Daily was coming on, you still had the still had
some of the other people, Kennedy, Gideon and some of
those different getting Yago, some of those guys, Uh, Kurt
Loder was still around.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
There in the news.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
That's back when MTV was, you know, a thing instead
of whatever whatever it is now. But yeah, I mean
I don't know that I I don't know that I
rushed home for TRL, but I definitely watched it, especially probably.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Wasn't allowed in your household anyway. Well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
At grandma's house. I do remember what you know, to
catch up on that kind of stuff. It was one
of those things because didn't wasn't later later, wasn't Christina
Milian Wasn't she the partner there for a while too?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Was she the host of it? She was one of
the I just.
Speaker 8 (19:53):
The Carson Daily days stick in my mind. That was big,
like that was what you know, you talked about the
next day school, like how did you see whoever? On TRL?
And if you didn't see it, oh, you were a loser.
You had the l on your forehead.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, and you had the window with all the people
screaming down alone and all that kind of stuff. It
was just I don't know, it was It was certainly
an interesting thing, but yeah, that's it. Any fascinating, a
fascinating story, fascinating guests, and we're going to try to
bring you some more, you know, a different, different context
type guess here over the course of this summer.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
The nineties was just like, I mean, it was a
great era.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
And I know there's different people who are driving around
listen to us talking about their era, but growing up
in the nineties, especially in the eighties, it was just different.
It was just like so many things that you think
about the type of music that came out and you
compare it now to then, Like I'm going to pick
eighties and nineties all day, every day.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Although that's because that's your that's your music from your childhood.
That's what everyone says, like they've done research on it,
that the music that you grow up up with, that
that are your songs when you're in that developmental age
and the early teens to your graduating high school, that's
what sticks with you forever, and that's how you base
your music taste as you get older.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Like the artists that.
Speaker 8 (21:13):
Sound like those bands that you liked when you were
a kid are the artists that you gravitate to when
you're when you're older as well.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Okay, let me ask you, guys, this probably not so
for for being Maybe I'm not speaking to him when
I'm probably speaking to you and all the other listeners.
It was there ever a moment where like there was
a girl you liked in school, right and somehow you
saw her with another do or she didn't want to
be your girlfriend. When you send it that note, you
drop that mixtape yes, exactly, drop that mixtape.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
But now I'm a kid of the mixtape.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Okay, I had the girls making the mixtape.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Nowadays, nowadays it's a playlist instead of a mixtape.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Right, you just send them the link. Right, there's rules
to that. I did you ever watch you watch the
movie High Fidelity? Yeah, we talked about that, the rules
to the mixtape.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Right, you got to start off with a banger, but
then you got to take it up a notch.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
But then you got to.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Back it off a little bit because you can't you know.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
You don't want to go all over.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, you don't want to come you songs.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
You got to back it off a little bit, you know,
slow it down, smooth it out, keep it fresh and
sexy for the latest.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
So I wonder I wonder anyone out there, if you
have kids or whatever, you have ever experienced it. I
wonder if kids now, if they do that, if they
do a playlist.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
Now, yes, well you have a teenage son, you don't
do that. He's never done that for a girl that
I know of, Well, not that you know, that's what
I'm saying, not that I know of.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
There's probably a lot of things he's done that you
don't know about.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Thanks grant, somebody about to start bunting out singing keep it.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
On the down loads.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
Yes, these all the things I don't want to think
about as a parent. But I wonder if people still
do that.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Is it lame to do?
Speaker 6 (22:49):
If you're a single guy and you're in your twenties,
if you do do a playlist for a woman that.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
You like, I don't know. I would still think it
would be it would be cood. I think it would
depend on the woman. Shows you put the effort to time,
the effort.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
And all that effort. Man, I'm an effort.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
It's all of it. That's all women really care about.
Back off. You are good women.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
You have a say for wife, not the women that
he who is uh you know, has had some pretty
bad dates out there.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I can tell you that is not all that they care.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Well. You have the toss of listening in there as well.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
That that's true. The three listen. It's the good women
want those things. The other women asked what kind of
car you drive? They want to copy.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Your bank account.
Speaker 8 (23:33):
Don't want those These are the women that Nick Ferguson
was lying to when he was out there in the
dating pool, saying he was a janitor, substitute teacher, right,
not an NFL player.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Hey, listen, man, I had to protect myself, genius, listen.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
So what I started off erword relationship I had with
the lie. But it was an honest lie, right, it
was an honest lie.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I figure, like that's oxymoronic, but yes.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
It's honest lie. I'm doing that to protect both of us.
How about that?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You're doing that to protect you? You are you doing
that to figure out if it's genuine?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
All of that, all the above.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yes, and I am mad at it because I would
do the same thing. By the way, I don't know
if you guys knows it. Carson Daily's dad was like
a famous actor. He was Mark Pitter. He was Grant
Harrison on Another World to Soap Opera. He won the
Best Villain Award I six and he was in you
remember Cameron Crows Vanilla's Guy.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
He was in that movie too.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Didn't know that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
His dad, His dad was a pretty famous actor. Didn't
Mark Tinter?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
But anyway, Runcle's Rookie Meediccamp coming up Saturday, Saturday. Get
a chance to look at some of these Some of
these guys, by the way, tight end, Joelie got the
contract done today.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Oh no, there was some thought that he would come.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
In under one of those insurance policies, which Joda Coleman
and those guys are Tylerroon Yeham, those guys are coming
in under insurance policies instead of contract done.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
But Joel he got his contract done.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
So Nick and I were talking about this last night.
Did they always do it in reverse order because they're
the easiest contracts to get done?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
That's how somebody asked me the same question when when
I put out the when I broke the Red Murdoch news,
and I'm like, yeah, it's it's not. They're not always
done this way, but it's easiest to slot. You know,
you know what the last guy's gonna make, so you know,
it's you work your way backwards from there, and then
the guys up front want a bigger portion of the
guarantee or some other spiff on top of you know, all.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
That kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
So it generally now with the rookie contracts works in
reverse order instead of the way it used to be,
which was front to back. It used to be the
number one overall pick got paid and then too and
then you know went downhill from there based on what
they the number one pick got.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So so Joe's deal is done.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Yes, and we can see, you know, Nathan Peterman throwing
him some.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Passes like, are you do you have any if you
have any playing helmets that you're not using, I would
like to wear one for my own protection to observe
practice with Peterman sold the ball.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Wow, that's that's low.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
You know how John Day the golfer like his style
is called a grippet and ripe it.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yes, yeah, Nathan Peterman's called the spray and pray.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Well, you don't have to worry about being struck by
any football this well, not.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
If he's at me, but if he's not, I have
a very.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Like he should aim at you.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
If he does purposely aim at me, I won't get hit.
Judging by his career, will fly down and intercepted it.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
If his career has been any indicator.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
So okay, you would just say you would him practice
on Saturday.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
After that, let's just say there's a little Q and
A and some of these guys and Nathan Peterman, I
don't anything. You won't ask him anything. No, I mean
you're wondering, how do you get to this point? You say, well,
who have file photos off?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Well, what they're doing?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
You never know?
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Hey, listen, your career didn't really catch fire as though
you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
It's on fire the wrong time.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
What what what does you hope to gain out of Miniki?
What would you have there?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Your career too?
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Like the the puddle underneath a dumpster outside of long
John silvers.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Man, you were tough? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (27:00):
Is it just the way you feel about certain players
or the quarterback position.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
It's weird to me that guys like that get six
and seventh chances. Guys who are a tire fire like
you could throw a football better than I ever could.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Congratulations.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Also, you could not throw a football at an NFL
caliber level.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
We've seen it for a decade. Why are you getting
in the way of somebody else having a chance. Well,
because maybe when.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
You look at the field of guys who are out there,
some of those guys are don't either fit or I
mean they're too old, right, I mean, he still can
throw the ball.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
And that's what you're trying to see.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
You're trying to evaluate to see if there is any
you know, gas still in the tank, right because there's
a possibility that a guy later in his career can
change his fundamentals very slightly and that motivates him and
becomes a better player. I mean, obviously you would have
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liked to see that take place earlier in his career.
But if there's a chance that that individual can be
great in the locker room as a veteran guy in
the room, I mean it makes sense in some cases.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
You got plenty of guys in the USFL right now,
I would try out before that. You have Matt Carral,
Jayalen McClendon, Luis Perez, who who's been in every spring
league out there.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
You have jobs, they're in the USFL.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You would have to wait, Jack Plumber, toriy and Thompson Robinson, Brandon,
Silver's Michael Pratt who played at Tulane is in the
USFL right now. There are plenty of those guys, Clayton
Tune that I would bring in before I would.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Okay, all of those guys that you just named, all
of those guys are currently employed. They're playing a season now.
After the season is over, Yes, will the NFL's I'll
concede that point. That's the one point on this thing.
I will concede that is fair. I wouldn't want to
leave a team.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You know, you never want to got to leave a
team in the middle of the season for you know, look,
I was looking up. We're that kind of stuff. Fair,
I'm on that. But there's just so many guys. I mean,
I would Okay, hold on, it's.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Not that he's bad, it's that he's bad.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Okay, Why did Mike Glennon?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Why did Why did some of these guys keep getting
shots when they were terrible?
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Well, well, in case of you know, Mike Glennan being
a former first round quarterback, that's kind of one of
the reasons.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Glennon in the first round quarterback.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
I think Glennon was no, no, no, he wasn't. I
was thinking of someone else third round.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
He was a third round.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
But sometimes it's it's kind of the skill set and
it's just like, okay, well, if you felt this guy
when he was coming out, he had an NFL arm,
he could do this, and he could do some of
the things that they require NFL quarterbacks to do. And
what's the what's wrong with taking a flyer on the guy?
You're just taking a fly It's nothing as though as
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a guarantee, you're just taking a flyer on the guy
just in case something might spart.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Lennon went six and twenty five as a start of
the last time he won a football game was twenty
seventeen in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
He got chances with four other teams that went oh
to nine.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
I get that, but that quarterback position is one of
those positions that a guy, even if he was a backup,
he's going to get multiple opportunities because that is considered
to be a position of value. And it's like, well,
if that pool of those guys, because if you wanted
to separate it, like it was the English Premier League
(30:20):
in soccer, those are levels to guys who have played
this game in the past. So it's just like, Okay,
if someone inside the building and say, well, hey, I've
been around this guy, I talked to his quarterback coach
or I know his former offensive coordinator, and I think
it may be worth giving him a.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Look, right, Just give him a look.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
That's all because every person, even you've been, all you
want is an opportunity because to do what you're doing
right now, someone had to be willing to give you
an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, and that's fair.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
But if I was on my sixth or seventh opportunity,
as was the case with Mike Glennon, and I hadn't print,
I had been a massive failure at every op along the.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Way, I think it's time they gave up on me.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
But that's not the way that it happens, because you
look at the number. I don't like the process and
how it works itself out, but someone is going to
convince themselves by.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Saying that's what it is. Point I'm getting to, Okay,
everybody convinced themselves. I can be the one to fix him. Yes,
come he listen and listen.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I've got that problem with women, Like you get a
bird with a broken wing, I can fix her.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Well, okay, so.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
For me, yeah, we clean disasters. That's been for you
for sure. But that's the same thing that women say
about certain men. I can mold him like a piece
of claim, right, I could make him better.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Right.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
And that's kind of the idea someone is figuring as
though you've had several opportunities, three, four or five opportunities,
So someone saw something in.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
You to give you multiple opportunities.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Let's give this person one more shot, and oh, by
the way, it could be a long shot, so why
not If it works out, it's a bonus for us.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
If it doesn't, mean as a camp body, that's just
the fans are already got a case of the tight
cheeks because the boat Nick's ankle, chick hannery, with the
you know, with the them saying nothing's wrong, nothing you
know and misleading basically, and you know, and so your
your solution to all that is to bring a veteran
guy in as a camp body.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
And it's a Zach guy.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I don't know, man, It's just it's one of those
things where.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
It'd be interesting to see on Saturday if there is
a pass or whatever. And I don't know how much
practice we will be allowed to watch, Probably not a lot,
but if there was a wild throw that made you go,
huh the over Oh man, you're hard on quarterbacks, man.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Your herd of guy.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I'm hard, I mean like and you probably are on
the position you please, probably hard on safeties, you know,
like not not like not to the point that I'm
being right now, and I'm being a little hyperbolic for
comedic effect, but yeah, I'm a little harder on the
position I played, like there was a point where I
knew I didn't have anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
There was a point where I knew, I you know,
I knew. I was like, Okay, I'm not good enough anymore.
And I see guys that are still out there that
have that don't haven't realized.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
Well, I mean, apparently someone realizes something because Peterman's in
a three day camp and you're not, well
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I'm gonna be in three day camp reporting on Nathan
Petterman Broncos Country Knight back after this
Text line is always going right out to the kwait
comm sproll hotline though, and getting a very special guest,
Greg Camp of The Defiant formally guitarist of smash Mouth, Greg,
how you doing this evening?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hey, what's happening?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Guys doing great here?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Man?
Speaker 4 (00:14):
I was absolutely mind blown when ferg over here revealed
that he that he knew who you were, and.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
We got to get him on the show. We got
to talk to him.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
I was a big fan of Walking on the Snow
and that song came out back in the day, and
I want to ask you about what life was like,
what life went like after that song exploded. When that
song came out, I was like, there's nothing else like
this on the air right now. This guy's gout likes
a doors feel to it. There's nothing like this. And
then you know the story behind that. I guess it
wasn't that wasn't that buried on one of your demos
and your drummer accidentally found it exactly.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Yeah, it was sitting in a shoe box on a
cassette tape. It had been passed on by the band
that I was in before smash Mouth, and you know
he found the song on the tape and he's like,
what's this is why you been hiding this song? I'm like, God,
I was told that that song.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Anyway.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Yeah, that's almost thirty years ago. Guys.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Wow, time flash.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
You know what, Greg, here's an interesting thing about you.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
And I was telling Ben, like, when we first met,
our wives had met first, and I didn't know that
you were in the band because your wife didn't mention it.
She was like, oh, yeah, my husband is in the band.
And then no one is though my kids obviously our
kids were young at the time, and we're watching Shrek
movies and your song is playing in these Shrek songs.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
And to know that some of.
Speaker 6 (01:36):
These songs that you had a part in writing that,
How does that feel to know that you not only
just wrote this great song, but you wrote a song
that like a lot of kids that kind of grew
up on.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Yeah, it's amazing. It's I call it the gift that
keeps on giving. You know, every every day a child
is born, a new Shrek fan is born. Therefore a
new fan of All Star is born, you know.
Speaker 7 (02:01):
So, yeah, it's great.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
I'm very blessed. I'm very grateful for that song. It
found me.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
You know, that's that's a fascinating way to look at it.
I imagine, you know, anybody who ever played an instrument
dreams of you know, making it big and all that
kind of stuff. But what was it like going from
you know what where you were to when Walking on
the Sun blew up internationally and all of a sudden,
that song is everywhere and you guys are ubiquitous.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
It was pretty crazy because, you know, a month after
we got our record deal, you know.
Speaker 7 (02:32):
Well, actually, you know, the song got.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
On the radio thanks to our good friend Carson Daily
because he was working at a radio station in our
hometown of San Jose, just a just a radio guy,
and he started playing the song, and all of a sudden,
you know, we started getting phone calls from record companies,
and all of a sudden we were on a tour bus.
So yeah, life changed overnight. For sure.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Well that's crazy great.
Speaker 6 (02:53):
I never knew that that, like Carson Daily, had something
to do with actually, you know, putting you guys on
and is kind of blowing blowing you guys up now,
I mean, go into.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
That story just a little more so the listeners know.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
Because the reason I say that is that I just
want people to know that the their level of success
can be one phone call away from someone who knows
someone else.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
So give me a little more on that story if
you could.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Well, I mean, we were all eating top ramen in
San Jose, including Carson. He was on a radio he
was on a radio station, you know, and he would
come out and see our band play, and we just
became friends with him. He was a fan of the
band when we were still playing in little clubs, and
you know, then he started working at Ko andMe we
started going in there at midnight, you know, on his
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he had a late shift, and then you know, he
started playing us, and then the phone started ringing, and
then he got a better shift, which was at five o'clock,
you know, traffic time, and so he started playing us there,
and then all of a sudden he got hired at
k Rock in Los Angeles, and then that was it.
It just blew up the you know, Interscope records, those
Jimmy Iovine had us in his office and we had
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a record deal.
Speaker 8 (04:04):
Hey, Greg Grant Smith here and I'm lucky enough to
work on our rock station at night here as well,
and we get to do this thing called studio CEE
where we get to hear the stories behind the songs
and ask artists about their songwriting process. And you're known
as writing the two biggest hits arguably for smash Mouth
with Your Time with Them, Walking on the Sun and
All Star. What's your songwriting process like and take us
(04:27):
a little behind the scenes of how you found All
Star to become that song that Nick said, you know
has like transcended time and now it's me finding new
generations right.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Well, I mean we that song All Stars on our
second album. We turned the album in that we thought
it was finished, and our record company was like, well,
you need two more songs. You need a number, you
need a first hit, a first single, and a second single.
You've got all the other ones, where like there are
other singles on a self you know. And so I was,
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you know, equal parts angry and equal parts, you know,
like it was a challenge, you know, and I'm like,
I'm going to show these guys what I can do.
And I wrote all Star and the other song then
the Morning Comes, which was our second single.
Speaker 7 (05:12):
Off that album, in a few days and sent them.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
A demo of them and they're like, Okay, we're good,
go record those and we'll see.
Speaker 7 (05:20):
You guys at the Grammys.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
So wow, totally great camp that defined and smashed Craig.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Let me let me ask you.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Did it start with a sound or does it start
with the lyrics? Like for you with this process, does
it start with the music or the lyrics?
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Song?
Speaker 5 (05:38):
That started with an idea, and it was we were
reading fan mail and we noticed that a lot of
kids that liked our band were sort of outcasts. They
were bullied kids. They were kind of nerdy, you know,
kids that had been bullied by their friends and their
parents and their brothers and sisters and so on, and
so we just wanted to write a song. You know,
(06:01):
I set out to write a song that was sort
of like an affirmation for those people, and it just
ends up just being, you know, a monster. It just
went crazy.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
So that is a fascinating to hear that type of story.
But how how would you compare you know, that era
of nineties music to today and how has it changed?
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Well, I mean, for one thing, you're not selling physical
copies anymore. It's like we were lucky enough to sort
of like get through that window when it was still open,
you know, like selling CDs and you know, and now
it's just all streaming. It's in the it's it's in space.
You know, you could just like get it for free.
And so, you know, things are so much different now.
(06:46):
People have to work very hard now. You know, they
have to go out and tour. Their ticket prices are astronomical,
They have to sell lots of merch. They have to
be on the road, you know, most of the time.
They have to do all their writing and creative you know,
two things out there on the road. And you know,
when we were there, yeah, we toured a lot, but
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I was able to come home for at least a
few months and sort of like write the next album
and get in the studio and record it and then
get back out on the road and start the cycle again.
It's just it's a totally different thing now.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Well that was what I was going.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
To ask you, is the evolution of the industry is
that has moved towards the streaming. Sounds to me like
you're saying it's not necessarily better.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
I'm saying that I'm glad I was there.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
I like I like the you know, it wasn't broken,
So what happened?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
You know?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Fair enough?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Fair enough talking with you like Greg Camp.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
So Greg, now that you know the whole thing with
Smash Raw has run his course. What are you doing now?
How do you kind of scratch that music with Itch Well?
Speaker 7 (07:50):
I live in Nashville.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
I still do, you know, sync music for film and
TV once in a while. It's like mostly like writing
songs for scenes in film and televison and shows. I'm
also in kind of a supergroup called The Defiant. It's
which with Dicky Barrett from The Mighty Mighty boss Tones,
Piparata from The Offspring, and Joey Roka from The Briggs.
(08:13):
And we're just sort of.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
Like this kind of hyper pop punk.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Some people might consider us a little political. I don't
know for political.
Speaker 7 (08:24):
We're just more like doing what punk rock.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Has always done, which is sort of like question authority
and you know that sort of thing. So that's what
I'm doing.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
I'm also writing songs here.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
In town for people, and I'm developing young artists. I
love working with young people and you know, telling them
what to and what not to do and try to
guide them through it, kind of navigate them through this
crazy world if they want to, if they want to
be in it, you know.
Speaker 8 (08:49):
Yeah, I mean, that is a crazy world. And you know,
you were out on the road for a lot of years.
How do you compare what you're doing now to being
out on tour. I mean, we always hear musicians talk
about how grueling but also rewarding it is going out
on tour.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Which did which do you like more?
Speaker 8 (09:05):
Did you like being out on the road all the
time and playing playing in front of new people every night,
or do you like what you're doing now kind of
mentoring the youth artists and trying to make them successful.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
If you ask anybody who tours, they'll say, you know,
when they're on tour, they want to be home, and
when they're home, they want to be on tours. That's
just the way it is. It's like anyone will say
that I prefer being more behind the scenes and being
in the studio these days. I of course, you know,
when I see a tour bus drive by, which I
do many many times a day here in Nashville, I'm like, Oh,
(09:39):
I wonder who's on that. I bet they're having so
much fun. I bet they have no chores.
Speaker 7 (09:43):
And I bet they have no one bothering that.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
It's a party every night, you know, but you can
only do that for so long. And I you know,
now my day is like I wake up and you know,
take care of my chickens, and you know, make sure
everyone's fad and I prefer that I'm a family man.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
We'll to ask one for you for Greg, if you
had to go to a concert, right who would.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
That artist be? Like? Right now?
Speaker 6 (10:10):
If you just kind of look at the music industry
right now, what artists you say?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
You know what? I would love to attend that concert.
Speaker 7 (10:18):
Okay, So that's a great question.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Bruno Mars played here last night and he basically shut
this whole town down. You couldn't go anywhere this this
place is a mess. But I would have loved to
see that show. Sabrina Carpenter. I saw her Coachella performance
and I was just like wow, like she's really got
it going on. And then a friend of mine just
(10:41):
told me that Mike d from Beastie Boys has just
announced I think two two of three shows in Brooklyn
and and she ended up winning some tickets for it.
So I'm hoping to get out there for that. But yeah,
I mean that's I love. I went. I go see
show all the time. I live here. In music City,
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so I go see stuff all the time.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
That's yeah, it's always interesting to get the you know,
the musicians take on the musicians.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Musician.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Is it where I imagine Bruno Mors puts on act
of a show, you know, just just the pageantry and
everything else.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Would you see what he's what he's been.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Able to do for your your your man, you're curly
with it to find the supergroup that you talked about.
If if people wanted to go look up a song
to get to give them an intro into that, which
song would you recommend they go stream right away?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
I definitely would recommend the song Dead Language. And there's
a video for it on YouTube. Most of our songs
have videos, So if you just look up the Defiant
and check out Dead Language, that's that's a good intro.
Speaker 6 (11:40):
Well, Greg Man, thanks for giving us some of your time,
and and you know, tell the wife and the kids,
me and Gladdy we sent our love to you guys.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
In Nashville and you too.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
I can't believe it's been about what four years since
I've seen you guys, and we love you and we
can't wait to come visit you again.
Speaker 6 (11:59):
All right, Well, hey, listen man, the house is open.
You want to come back, the house is.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Open and right back at you.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
All right, appreciated, man, thanks for thanks for joining us.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
All right, thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah, take care.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Greg Camp from smash Mouth and The Defiant, he said,
go check out Dead Language by The Defiant as a
good intro song for that band and what they're about.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
That's a that's a really cool dude.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Man.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I always love down the Earth, you know, rock stars,
guy was this song is one of the biggest songs
in the world. He has several songs with the biggest
songs in the world and just humble enough to law
jump on and you know. And of course Nick Nick
Fergus has been holding out on the celebrity entourage.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
Time and now they's full time. We're digging in there
full time.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
We're digging into all of it.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Wait a minute, man, See, Okay, so I have to.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
Be really selective with how I go about this because
the reason I say that because I have worked at
the place once before and it was said to.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Me, oh, oh, that's kind of a power flex for you.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
To say that you know this person, and I'm like, well,
I'm not that type of individual. I like to say,
I'm able to get to know people and if there's
an opportunity to bring them on and introduce them to
other people in the audience, I like to do that well.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
And I would say that's one.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Of your one of the qualities I admire most about you.
If I don't tell you this enough, is like you
are one of those people who always makes a new
friend everywhere you go.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
You know what I really do.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
But you know know who's I'm not gonna say worse
but better than I am at doing that is my wife.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yeah, I mean I have to do that.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
This is Ferguson.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
Doesn't want to meet me because I'm the guy who
kidnapped me every night, and she set out in the
car for nine minutes before you come in.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
She doesn't think, see neither one you guys that met
my wife yet starting to take that personally, well, I
mean I understand, Well, then I understand. Come on, man,
So so we're gonna have to arrange where that that
can actually take place. But my wife is a huge
(13:54):
people person, and she speaks to everyone, almost to a
point where it's like my kids like, come on, man, Dad,
tell her, let's go.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
She's talking too much, but that is.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Just who she is from the type of person she is,
and Greg is that same way. Like Greg reminds me
a lot of you Grant. Right, you guys you know,
love love music. You guys are so respectful of other
people's time and the conversations. And just like my kids
when we lived in California, they didn't know that he
(14:26):
was in the band that.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
They're singing a song suit like like we we all found.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Out that a Bengo night.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
How did that come up? Actually, the school was.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Doing somewhat of a charity event and he was there
with his wife and kids, and since his wife and
my wife were friends, she introduced me to him and
just you know, we just started talking.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Was like, hey, what do you do?
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Right?
Speaker 6 (14:48):
You know, one of those those things because usually when
and Grant, you'll find us out. Whatever friend that your
wife has, they now become your friends.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Right.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
My wife would do things.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
Like, well he likes sports and you like sports.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
You know, maybe.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And the wife are gonna be talking all night long, exactly.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
But it was one of those things where I mean
I was a football guy and he was in music,
and you know, someone saying, hey, listen, you know that
guy is in the band, and I'm like, oh, okay, cool,
and we just started talking. We never talked about what band,
so I never really knew, and then we just became friends.
And then later on, like two years later, I found
out he's a smash man.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
I think it's really cool whenever you talk to someone
who's reached like the pinnacle of their field, whether it
be an athlete or a musician or a doctor or
whatever it is, who knows that they've had an extreme
amount of success, but they're still down to earth like
Greg was, and still humble and still willing to talk
to whoever about whatever they want to learn. And it's
(15:50):
so cool that now he's mentoring young musicians and showing
them the right or the wrong, the right things to
do and how to avoid the wrong things.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
And the music films.
Speaker 6 (15:59):
Becauld you imagine being a songwriter and not just writing
one hit, because you know how difficult that is to
write one hit or to write multiples.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Yeah, and your first hit was accidental.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
It was on a demo and your drummer just happing
to pick up some of your tapes go through it
and was like, dude, why you've been holding out?
Speaker 6 (16:16):
It's just it's just amazing some of the stories that
come out of some of the biggest like movie scripts
and music that that we listened to that we don't
know that behind the scenes and which which reminds me.
I mean, there was a moment when MTV used to
do that behind the scenes and h one behind the music. Well,
yes it was the Beach one one. Yes, yeah, we
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got now we got pregnant teen Moms.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yep, right, well that was Greg Camp. We'll get that
up on the podcast and just a part of that.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
You can listen to that, and we're gonna try to
get to Nick to get his buddy Tom Cruise on
next Broncos Country Night back after this Grand Smith or
with you five six six nine zero the text line
Thanks to Greg Camp of smash Mouth for joining us
in the last segment.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I missed a part of that. You go to Broncos
Country Night dot com, slash.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Podcast or or each podcast, Apple iTunes, Spotify, the Free
and redesigned iHeartRadio, or you can also stream his Band
of Defiance, but not new episodes of Taking It for Granted.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Maybe I'll have a new episode with Greg Camp. Maybe
you will, probably not, Probably not? Why not what about
the band camp with the.
Speaker 8 (17:19):
Two ways I've had their basis don Okay, yeah, they're
from Athens, Ohio, well Columbus technically, but form the band
in Athens, where I'm from.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
You know what, Here's one thing I love about this
show is just being spontaneous and just having on just
rather eclectic guess that we can all see a part
of ourselves in those individuals and how hard they work
to get to where they are. As use it as
a way of inspiring people that, hey man, you may
(17:51):
run into some troubles or some things in your life,
but just know if you keep you know, pounding at it,
something happens. Just like the song just being in a
box somewhere. Just who would have thought.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
That send them a demo cassette in a box somewhere
and was told by his previous band when he wrote
it that the song sucked and the.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Other thing those guys feel exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
But think about that.
Speaker 6 (18:14):
Here's the other thing too, knowing Carson Daily and how
that connection actually got them a record deal. Because when
you really think about it and you look at the
people that you know in your life, there has to
be someone who knows someone else that can move your
career forward, and how many people don't even expand the
network to even try.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
To do that.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I was going to ask if.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
You know, maybe Carson Daily, you know, if there was
a like a jealousy thing that eminem name dropped Carson
Daily before Smash Mount did in one of their songs.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
Dude, I used to rush home from school, run not
Fire Driveway CRL to see t RL. Yes, that was like,
that was that was the thing I remember because it
came out.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
TRL started like right when I was ending high school.
It's like ninety eight, I think, right when I was
ending high school, and I remember that being sort of
a thing. It was an interesting thing. They had a
bunch of interesting VJs. Then at the time, you know
Daily was coming on, you still had the still had
some of the other people, Kennedy, Gideon and some of
those different getting Yago, some of those guys, Uh, Kurt
Loder was still around.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
There in the news.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
That's back when MTV was, you know, a thing instead
of whatever whatever it is now. But yeah, I mean
I don't know that I I don't know that I
rushed home for TRL, but I definitely watched it, especially probably.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Wasn't allowed in your household anyway. Well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
At grandma's house. I do remember what you know, to
catch up on that kind of stuff. It was one
of those things because didn't wasn't later later, wasn't Christina
Milian Wasn't she the partner there for a while too?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Was she the host of it? She was one of
the I just.
Speaker 8 (19:53):
The Carson Daily days stick in my mind. That was big,
like that was what you know, you talked about the
next day school, like how did you see whoever? On TRL?
And if you didn't see it, oh, you were a loser.
You had the l on your forehead.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, and you had the window with all the people
screaming down alone and all that kind of stuff. It
was just I don't know, it was It was certainly
an interesting thing, but yeah, that's it. Any fascinating, a
fascinating story, fascinating guests, and we're going to try to
bring you some more, you know, a different, different context
type guess here over the course of this summer.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
The nineties was just like, I mean, it was a
great era.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
And I know there's different people who are driving around
listen to us talking about their era, but growing up
in the nineties, especially in the eighties, it was just different.
It was just like so many things that you think
about the type of music that came out and you
compare it now to then, Like I'm going to pick
eighties and nineties all day, every day.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Although that's because that's your that's your music from your childhood.
That's what everyone says, like they've done research on it,
that the music that you grow up up with, that
that are your songs when you're in that developmental age
and the early teens to your graduating high school, that's
what sticks with you forever, and that's how you base
your music taste as you get older.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Like the artists that.
Speaker 8 (21:13):
Sound like those bands that you liked when you were
a kid are the artists that you gravitate to when
you're when you're older as well.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
Okay, let me ask you, guys, this probably not so
for for being Maybe I'm not speaking to him when
I'm probably speaking to you and all the other listeners.
It was there ever a moment where like there was
a girl you liked in school, right and somehow you
saw her with another do or she didn't want to
be your girlfriend. When you send it that note, you
drop that mixtape yes, exactly, drop that mixtape.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
But now I'm a kid of the mixtape.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Okay, I had the girls making the mixtape.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Nowadays, nowadays it's a playlist instead of a mixtape.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Right, you just send them the link. Right, there's rules
to that. I did you ever watch you watch the
movie High Fidelity? Yeah, we talked about that, the rules
to the mixtape.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Right, you got to start off with a banger, but
then you got to take it up a notch.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
But then you got to.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Back it off a little bit because you can't you know.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
You don't want to go all over.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, you don't want to come you songs.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
You got to back it off a little bit, you know,
slow it down, smooth it out, keep it fresh and
sexy for the latest.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
So I wonder I wonder anyone out there, if you
have kids or whatever, you have ever experienced it. I
wonder if kids now, if they do that, if they
do a playlist.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
Now, yes, well you have a teenage son, you don't
do that. He's never done that for a girl that
I know of, Well, not that you know, that's what
I'm saying, not that I know of.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
There's probably a lot of things he's done that you
don't know about.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Thanks grant, somebody about to start bunting out singing keep it.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
On the down loads.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
Yes, these all the things I don't want to think
about as a parent. But I wonder if people still
do that.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Is it lame to do?
Speaker 6 (22:49):
If you're a single guy and you're in your twenties,
if you do do a playlist for a woman that.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
You like, I don't know. I would still think it
would be it would be cood. I think it would
depend on the woman. Shows you put the effort to time,
the effort.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
And all that effort. Man, I'm an effort.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
It's all of it. That's all women really care about.
Back off. You are good women.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
You have a say for wife, not the women that
he who is uh you know, has had some pretty
bad dates out there.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
I can tell you that is not all that they care.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Well. You have the toss of listening in there as well.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
That that's true. The three listen. It's the good women
want those things. The other women asked what kind of
car you drive? They want to copy.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Your bank account.
Speaker 8 (23:33):
Don't want those These are the women that Nick Ferguson
was lying to when he was out there in the
dating pool, saying he was a janitor, substitute teacher, right,
not an NFL player.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Hey, listen, man, I had to protect myself, genius, listen.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
So what I started off erword relationship I had with
the lie. But it was an honest lie, right, it
was an honest lie.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I figure, like that's oxymoronic, but yes.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
It's honest lie. I'm doing that to protect both of us.
How about that?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
You're doing that to protect you? You are you doing
that to figure out if it's genuine?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
All of that, all the above.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yes, and I am mad at it because I would
do the same thing. By the way, I don't know
if you guys knows it. Carson Daily's dad was like
a famous actor. He was Mark Pitter. He was Grant
Harrison on Another World to Soap Opera. He won the
Best Villain Award I six and he was in you
remember Cameron Crows Vanilla's Guy.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
He was in that movie too.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Didn't know that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
His dad, His dad was a pretty famous actor. Didn't
Mark Tinter?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
But anyway, Runcle's Rookie Meediccamp coming up Saturday, Saturday. Get
a chance to look at some of these Some of
these guys, by the way, tight end, Joelie got the
contract done today.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Oh no, there was some thought that he would come.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
In under one of those insurance policies, which Joda Coleman
and those guys are Tylerroon Yeham, those guys are coming
in under insurance policies instead of contract done.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
But Joel he got his contract done.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
So Nick and I were talking about this last night.
Did they always do it in reverse order because they're
the easiest contracts to get done?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
That's how somebody asked me the same question when when
I put out the when I broke the Red Murdoch news,
and I'm like, yeah, it's it's not. They're not always
done this way, but it's easiest to slot. You know,
you know what the last guy's gonna make, so you know,
it's you work your way backwards from there, and then
the guys up front want a bigger portion of the
guarantee or some other spiff on top of you know, all.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
That kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
So it generally now with the rookie contracts works in
reverse order instead of the way it used to be,
which was front to back. It used to be the
number one overall pick got paid and then too and
then you know went downhill from there based on what
they the number one pick got.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
So so Joe's deal is done.
Speaker 6 (25:31):
Yes, and we can see, you know, Nathan Peterman throwing
him some.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Passes like, are you do you have any if you
have any playing helmets that you're not using, I would
like to wear one for my own protection to observe
practice with Peterman sold the ball.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Wow, that's that's low.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
You know how John Day the golfer like his style
is called a grippet and ripe it.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yes, yeah, Nathan Peterman's called the spray and pray.
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Well, you don't have to worry about being struck by
any football this well, not.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
If he's at me, but if he's not, I have
a very.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Like he should aim at you.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
If he does purposely aim at me, I won't get hit.
Judging by his career, will fly down and intercepted it.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
If his career has been any indicator.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
So okay, you would just say you would him practice
on Saturday.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
After that, let's just say there's a little Q and
A and some of these guys and Nathan Peterman, I
don't anything. You won't ask him anything. No, I mean
you're wondering, how do you get to this point? You say, well,
who have file photos off?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Well, what they're doing?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
You never know?
Speaker 6 (26:37):
Hey, listen, your career didn't really catch fire as though
you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
It's on fire the wrong time.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
What what what does you hope to gain out of Miniki?
What would you have there?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Your career too?
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Like the the puddle underneath a dumpster outside of long
John silvers.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Man, you were tough? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (27:00):
Is it just the way you feel about certain players
or the quarterback position.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
It's weird to me that guys like that get six
and seventh chances. Guys who are a tire fire like
you could throw a football better than I ever could.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Congratulations.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Also, you could not throw a football at an NFL
caliber level.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
We've seen it for a decade. Why are you getting
in the way of somebody else having a chance. Well,
because maybe when.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
You look at the field of guys who are out there,
some of those guys are don't either fit or I
mean they're too old, right, I mean, he still can
throw the ball.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
And that's what you're trying to see.
Speaker 6 (27:38):
You're trying to evaluate to see if there is any
you know, gas still in the tank, right because there's
a possibility that a guy later in his career can
change his fundamentals very slightly and that motivates him and
becomes a better player. I mean, obviously you would have
(27:59):
liked to see that take place earlier in his career.
But if there's a chance that that individual can be
great in the locker room as a veteran guy in
the room, I mean it makes sense in some cases.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
You got plenty of guys in the USFL right now,
I would try out before that. You have Matt Carral,
Jayalen McClendon, Luis Perez, who who's been in every spring
league out there.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
You have jobs, they're in the USFL.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You would have to wait, Jack Plumber, toriy and Thompson Robinson, Brandon,
Silver's Michael Pratt who played at Tulane is in the
USFL right now. There are plenty of those guys, Clayton
Tune that I would bring in before I would.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
Okay, all of those guys that you just named, all
of those guys are currently employed. They're playing a season now.
After the season is over, Yes, will the NFL's I'll
concede that point. That's the one point on this thing.
I will concede that is fair. I wouldn't want to
leave a team.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You know, you never want to got to leave a
team in the middle of the season for you know, look,
I was looking up. We're that kind of stuff. Fair,
I'm on that. But there's just so many guys. I mean,
I would Okay, hold on, it's.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Not that he's bad, it's that he's bad.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Okay, Why did Mike Glennon?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Why did Why did some of these guys keep getting
shots when they were terrible?
Speaker 6 (29:06):
Well, well, in case of you know, Mike Glennan being
a former first round quarterback, that's kind of one of
the reasons.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Glennon in the first round quarterback.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
I think Glennon was no, no, no, he wasn't. I
was thinking of someone else third round.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
He was a third round.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
But sometimes it's it's kind of the skill set and
it's just like, okay, well, if you felt this guy
when he was coming out, he had an NFL arm,
he could do this, and he could do some of
the things that they require NFL quarterbacks to do. And
what's the what's wrong with taking a flyer on the guy?
You're just taking a fly It's nothing as though as
(29:43):
a guarantee, you're just taking a flyer on the guy
just in case something might spart.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Lennon went six and twenty five as a start of
the last time he won a football game was twenty
seventeen in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
He got chances with four other teams that went oh
to nine.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
I get that, but that quarterback position is one of
those positions that a guy, even if he was a backup,
he's going to get multiple opportunities because that is considered
to be a position of value. And it's like, well,
if that pool of those guys, because if you wanted
to separate it, like it was the English Premier League
(30:20):
in soccer, those are levels to guys who have played
this game in the past. So it's just like, Okay,
if someone inside the building and say, well, hey, I've
been around this guy, I talked to his quarterback coach
or I know his former offensive coordinator, and I think
it may be worth giving him a.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Look, right, Just give him a look.
Speaker 6 (30:39):
That's all because every person, even you've been, all you
want is an opportunity because to do what you're doing
right now, someone had to be willing to give you
an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, and that's fair.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
But if I was on my sixth or seventh opportunity,
as was the case with Mike Glennon, and I hadn't print,
I had been a massive failure at every op along the.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Way, I think it's time they gave up on me.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
But that's not the way that it happens, because you
look at the number. I don't like the process and
how it works itself out, but someone is going to
convince themselves by.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Saying that's what it is. Point I'm getting to, Okay,
everybody convinced themselves. I can be the one to fix him. Yes,
come he listen and listen.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I've got that problem with women, Like you get a
bird with a broken wing, I can fix her.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Well, okay, so.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
For me, yeah, we clean disasters. That's been for you
for sure. But that's the same thing that women say
about certain men. I can mold him like a piece
of claim, right, I could make him better.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Right.
Speaker 6 (31:38):
And that's kind of the idea someone is figuring as
though you've had several opportunities, three, four or five opportunities,
So someone saw something in.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
You to give you multiple opportunities.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Let's give this person one more shot, and oh, by
the way, it could be a long shot, so why
not If it works out, it's a bonus for us.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
If it doesn't, mean as a camp body, that's just
the fans are already got a case of the tight
cheeks because the boat Nick's ankle, chick hannery, with the
you know, with the them saying nothing's wrong, nothing you
know and misleading basically, and you know, and so your
your solution to all that is to bring a veteran
guy in as a camp body.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
And it's a Zach guy.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I don't know, man, It's just it's one of those
things where.
Speaker 6 (32:29):
It'd be interesting to see on Saturday if there is
a pass or whatever. And I don't know how much
practice we will be allowed to watch, Probably not a lot,
but if there was a wild throw that made you go,
huh the over Oh man, you're hard on quarterbacks, man.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Your herd of guy.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
I'm hard, I mean like and you probably are on
the position you please, probably hard on safeties, you know,
like not not like not to the point that I'm
being right now, and I'm being a little hyperbolic for
comedic effect, but yeah, I'm a little harder on the
position I played, like there was a point where I
knew I didn't have anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
There was a point where I knew, I you know,
I knew. I was like, Okay, I'm not good enough anymore.
And I see guys that are still out there that
have that don't haven't realized.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
Well, I mean, apparently someone realizes something because Peterman's in
a three day camp and you're not, well
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I'm gonna be in three day camp reporting on Nathan
Petterman Broncos Country Knight back after this
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