05-07-26 Hour 3 of Broncos Country Tonight with Sean Keeler and Zach Segars

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Five six six nine zero.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
The text line going right out to the ka a
common Spirit health hotline. I'm bringing our guy, Sean Kayla
from the Denver Post, Shawn, how you doing this evening?

Speaker 3 (00:08):
I'm great? How are you guys?

Speaker 2 (00:10):
You know I'm better than those TMU tough guys. Love
that turnip phrase. I love to I love to call
people diet something when I when I'm trying to be insulting,
you know, and.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Uh with a t tough guy, that's a new and
it's a literative I love it.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Yeah. I I added myself, you know what, with my
my beaty earth. As much as I could pat myself
on the back, I tried and cackled to myself a
little bit. But I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna
have to go to that locker room on Saturday night
in Saint Paul and let's hope I'm not. I'm not
eating my words too badly. But it but it were like,
doesn't that didn't that sum up Game three to you?

(00:44):
It was just a lot of fake tough guy just
tried to do something because they couldn't skate with the with.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
The apps son, What was that must that say about?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (00:54):
The Ads, And I know we live here in dinner,
so we get a chance to see these guys, you know,
really skate and do a great job. But there are
a lot of people outside of Denver they know of
the Ads, but they still don't think about the Ads
being somewhat of a power team with all the dynamic
type of players that they have. And yes, you were

(01:14):
at the game, Yeah you're going to run into some
issues if you go up to Minnesota, But what does
that say about this team? Like every single year, they're
always in the running and the conversation for the Stanley Cup.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
This is a team as it's composed, and it was
this way last year too. They just had the NHL
playoffs or it's a dumb bracket the way that they
make the second and third best teams in each division
play each other right away. But this is a team
that's been arguably the best team in hockey each of
the last two years. Definitely this one. They can say, well,

(01:51):
they got beat the first round last year. Yeah, that
was kind of a matchup thing, and they can beat
you in a lot of different ways. I think that's
the thing, and that's the thing that in a way
ironically that that King Series for it, you know, not
knowing that the opponent was going to be and it
would have been you know, traditionally would say it would

(02:11):
be an eighth seed, but that's again, that's not the
way the NHL does the Stanley Cup playoff bracket. But
they're kind of the last team in. But they were
ugly and physical, the Kings were. They wanted to slow
it down, they wanted to to just kind of league
with their elbows and play around to the corners because
they knew they couldn't skate with color out of them.
There is no basically, there's no team in the world

(02:32):
that could skate with the colorade Avalanche. There isn't There's
not one in Russia, there's not one in Sweden. There's
there's nobody. And if you're not a hockey fan, this
is the simplest way you can explain what the Abs
are on paper to somebody who doesn't care or hasn't
followed it. They are the thunder. They are them. They
are that good and that deep. So yeah, I guess

(02:55):
it's kind of expected if you're here. But if you
haven't seen them, get ready, because you're gonna you're gonna
see a good time unless you're read for the other
team that it's gonna be a bad time.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Well, from one Colorado VERSUS Minnesota series to another, the
Denver Nuggets bounced in the opening round by the Minnesota
Timberwolves in embarrassing fashion, especially in the final game in
which a t Wolves team was shorthanded.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
This is a series in which Minnesota Timberwolves.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Player called out multiple Nuggets players and then proceeded to
back up the talk the entire way. At this point,
the Nuggets look like they're keeping David Adam and certainly
making him available to the press, which I think is
a huge mistake. It looks like you need to blow
some of the core of this team up.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Where do you stand on where the Nuggets are at
this point?

Speaker 3 (03:43):
They were at a crossroads last year, right where do
you go? When you're where do you go? And you're
standing at a crossroads and you turn right and you
make what everybody says on paper, including me, including Troy
rang cluting, kids including a lot of us, looked at
this and said, yes, that's exactly right. Michael Bord Junior.
You get deeper, you get more diverse, you you set

(04:06):
yourself up to be a better matchup against ok C. Well,
they do all of that and then they become a
worse matchup against Minnesota somehow. So do you do you
turn left at another crossroads? I mean they're stuck in
so many ways. There are so many big contracts that
are hard to move because we sat there, you know,

(04:29):
you know, the the hot Emoe some of the hockey
riders where they also cover the they also cover the
nugs somewhat too. We're just like, if you move Jamal
Murray's fifty million dollars contract, you're either going to get
someone really overpaid or two guys. You might get two
Zeke Nagy or three Zeke Dodgy contracts in return. You're
not going to get a good contract back. You got

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to remember with a Michael Porter junior trade that was
basically a salary dump last summer to create more slots
to go get Bruce Brown and vouch Uness and signed
Tim Hardaway on unreasonable deal. Like you had to just
do that open up salary because straightening him for Cam
Johnson as a one for one was not anything. That
gave up the draft pick too, and you lost air

(05:13):
quote that trade, but you had to do it. To
open up the salary man, I think you have to
take off taper back if you tried to move Tomal Murray,
who's healthy, but it really really expensive and I think
fifty point one millions his half number next year, or
you're just going to take it quite literally in the
shorts if you try to move Aaron Gordon, who is

(05:36):
you know will have his number actually numbers plural retired
in this building, and he should. But his body is
just it's just aging way, way, way too fast for
somebody who of his skill set. I don't think you're
going to get much value for him. I'm not sure
you're need to get much value for Christian Brauner or
are Cam Johnson who may be looking to move again

(05:57):
after just trading for him. There's not a lot of
really attractive options, but you certainly have a lot of
them if you're willing to make it. I feel some
pain in the short term, and I made this point
in print the other day. We liked we watched compare
this at Yokic. Being a fan of Tim Duncan you

(06:18):
know to the spurs of a generation to go it's
not aging as well? But you know they when they
had there was a gap where they Tim Duncan got
got eliminated in the playoffs. There's the most Memphis series.
I remember when they were a one or two seed
and they get knocked off. They didn't get him another
title at the end. There his last title until they
had somebody young athletics in a future Hall of Famer himself,

(06:42):
and that was Kawhi. The Nuggets hated Kawhi and you
could say that's Peyton Watson, like you need to sign
him and that means probably opening up some salary dollars
by getting rid of someone else.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
So, Son, how do you fix this? Because that seemed
to be the the conundrum. You know that you know
they're guys on the Nuggets roster who you know teams
are paying them a noble amount of money, and it's like, hey,
we can't move this particular player because we're paying them
this amount of money. But we know there are other
players who are going to be available in a free
agency that we need to add. Because you need to

(07:20):
add another center, you need to add more bench players.
And that seems to be an ongoing conversation for the Nuggets.
How do you make the bench better? But more importantly,
how do you get tougher and bring on more of
that defensive mentality, something that Michael Malone was trying to do,
but he kind of got fired because he kept calling
the guys out, yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
And they shut him off. I mean, we were hailing
that move. I don't know if I wouldn't hail in it,
but I think the people were applotting that move because
it was clear that the Nuggets this time of year
ago had stopped listening to what what Michael Malone was
telling them, even though in hindsight he was righter. And
that's the really painful thing year later. You need more

(08:02):
Peyton Watson's to answer your question, and you need them
to be cost controlled Peyton Watson's. And that's that's unfortunately
not zekenology. He's who's a great dude. You really wish
it would have canned out differently for him here, Drown Holmes,
was that idea? Is that idea? Is he that guy?
Though I don't know that this coaching staff sees that.

(08:24):
Do you do you bring David Roddy back, who is
you know, got you know whatever to at least one
twenty point game there at the end that changed the
seeding in those games they played against in Case and
San Antonio to end the regular season. You not only
have to get tougher and more defensive minded, to your point,

(08:44):
you have to get more athletic and longer. Because the
thing about adding again, you learned something from each of
these early playoff exits. Three two years ago, it was, uh,
you know, let's let's get deeper and and and and
then last year let's skip it. Certainly have to get
deeper into it to a play OKC with the fact
they can go you know, nine de ten deep at you.

(09:06):
And then this year was well, now you've got to
get younger and more athletics. And either way it comes
down to all roads lead to moving on from someone
Nuggets fan's love and I don't. I can't. There's no
easy solution. And that's the thing. Go back to comparing
it to San Antonio. Yeah, they're able to keep this
core together. The rules are different now and the set

(09:29):
of the NBA CBA stuff is way way different than
fifteen sixteen years ago, and it's harder to do. And unfortunately,
what's even worse is that Oklahoma City really is poised
in your own division to be able to keep cycling
through because I think they have one of your draft
picks this year too, if not two, and they can

(09:49):
just keep feeding young cost control talent into this machine
and you ship that out for this window and credits
you for going for it. I mean, let's give John
all listen, Ben tens are credit for pushing the ships
in the middle of the table. You're about this time.
But what do you do when when the table breaks
and you look all your chips you got to spend?

(10:13):
And I'm not sure it'll be very interesting tomorrow with
that news conference before lunch at the end of season
self evaluation when they talk to the press. I know
and doesn't think they should do that. I'd be very
curious to hear what they say, because nothing's going to
satisfy Anyboddy, because when you lose your chips to do
you overplay that analogy, You're gonna have to spend more money.

(10:35):
You're gonna have to find a way to get more
chips to throw out there, and that obviously means getting
Peyton Watson what he wants first, or matching it from
what someone else is going to want to pay to
take him from you as a restricted free agent. I
don't know how willing Casey is to do that. I
think this is going to be a really interesting test
from the bunkies on down how much they're willing to

(10:57):
spend to take advantage of this ocre window that now
he's thirty one, it's ticking. Now it's been great, it
still is great, and it's the potential to be great.
But that stuff doesn't last. And I think now we're
heading in from the autumn. Uh, if we're in mid autumn,
we can see the winner from here and it's it's

(11:18):
not pretty cold.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Talma Sean Keeler of The Diver Post. Yeah, so here's
the thing. Malone was right and and you know he
was right. But the problem with that is is you
can only call guys out through the media so many
times before that shtick gets old and they they tune
it out, which we saw right is David Adam when
we've seen we've seen teams do this before where they
have the tough guy and they get the nice guy
that doesn't work, and then you have the tough guy.

(11:41):
And we saw with the Broncos, right they had Vic fangiol.
The players are tired of it, so they go get
everbody's buddy. Nate Hackett, and then you turn around and
you wind up, and you go ahead and get Sean
Payton to you know, to put Daddy back in charge.
And it feels like the David Adaman era for the
Nuggets is there Nate Hackett era, except that that roster
is significantly more talented.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Oh, I don't know, I'd go that. I see your point.
David Alvian still won a lot more games than Aate Hackett.
I mean Nate Hackett was that was out of eighteen
levels of death unfortunately, and was not given a good
team to your point, no, and not given a good situation.
Also true. I don't know that's necessarily apples and apples

(12:25):
with the two, but you know the points taking that,
I think you have that too and say yeah, do
we need it? Yeah, I mean, looks your point. Here's
where I would absolutely agree it wouldn't is to find
their Sean Payton.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
And that is somebody who has done it, because again,
if you could only do so much because of the
salary cap stuff and the contrac actually talked about and
I don't think David Alman did. I certainly didn't do
as bad a job as as what Nataniel Hackett did
was comical. We're lying and sad on a lot of levels.

(13:03):
I don't think this year has been that David out
of them, especially the life of all the injuries and
you know, now have a joker for a month and
managing to get a winning, winning month out of that.
But I would agree with you that that has to
be on the table, and I don't want to. I
think it would be unfair to shove ed onman out

(13:23):
at this point and really like this quickly. And I
don't think they're going to because I don't want to
pay three coaches because KOs because it's.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Not what they do.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
They don't want to pay gms and coaches, and that's
part of the reason they're in where where they are.
But yeah, I mean, if this were this was our
fantasy world, and you and me on this team, and
we're sitting down in the boardroom, the three of us,
and we'll put Grant in there too, the four of us,
I'd be like, Yeah, where you choose that guy? I

(13:54):
don't think it's Thibodeaux or somebody like that, the guy
in Milwaukee, But who is I don't think it's Billy Donovan.
Who is that guy who's done it in a Michael
Malone mole that knowing that he will great on these
guys in two to three years, as maybe Sean will
in some cases, but that hasn't Certainly Jim Harbaugh would have,

(14:15):
as Harball birds out things. But who is who is
that Harball? Who is that Peyton that these guys? You know,
we've got a two year window of Joker as a
peak MVP candidate. Probably they might be longer, but let's
just say it's two years. We're in the now. Who
is the coach that done listened to him?

Speaker 4 (14:32):
Now?

Speaker 3 (14:33):
I don't know. I don't know they want to come
for a Kronky Prices if they are out there.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Well, well, Sean, I mean you're talking about the Avs,
the Denver Nuggets, but there is one lead story. I
think it's really important, especially important to the Broncos faithful,
and that is kind of the health of bo Nicks.
And that has been somewhat the conversation. I've my counterpart here,

(15:00):
An all blight headed as his thoughts. But what do
you what do you make of the whole situation with
uh with bow Nanx, we got about sixty seconds here.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
Well, I don't know that it's a red flag, but
it's an orange one. I mean you have to keep
an eye out, uh, because this is you're now in
a good place as a franchise, and this is your
franchise TV. I wrote about this last week a little bit.
I think the they definitely need to get on the
same page from a communication standpoint, and that's been oddly

(15:33):
disconnected to some degree from at least publicly. I've had
Broncos people tell me privately as they have to you guys,
saying fine, it's why I know, this is why this
happened publicly, it looks like Peyton and Bownecks are not
entirely in the same playbook there, at least metaphorically. So
I think they need to clean that up just from
a pr standpoint. But you know his health, Let's put

(15:56):
it this way. I would definitely if it were me
again back in that border might be shopping for a
sexy year back at QB than did Jared Stidham. But
that's me and it's not my money, But that's I
would have a cogency plan usty case.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Sean Giler from the Denver Post appreciate you as always, brother.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Thanks guys, appreciating the time.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
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Speaker 3 (16:29):
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Speaker 4 (16:35):
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Speaker 1 (16:35):
Six the top six NFL headline one.

Speaker 5 (16:40):
On NFL dot COM's list of twelve second year players
who could break breakout, zero Broncos are mentioned. Which second
year Bronco, though, is most likely to break out, and
of the top one hundred and fifty picks from last year,
that's John A.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Baron, R J.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
Harvey, Pat Bryan, Save you On Jones, and Q Robinson.

Speaker 6 (17:01):
Who is least likely to break out this season?

Speaker 1 (17:05):
We'll start with the least first. I'll say R J.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Harvey, he Alreadys broke out last year and his role
is gonna be what it is unless there's just a
genocide at the position.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
They've drafted Jonah Coleman to be JK.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Dobbins, you know, replacement if Dobbins goes down, So I
don't think you have the same problem last year.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
As far as he's most likely.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
To breakut, I'm gonna go with Shady Barron we'll see.
I I kind of want to say, you know, saveana
Q have opportunity there, but I'm gonna go with Hatta Barron.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
I am gonna go with the guy who's probably not
gonna have that much of a breakout, because, like Ben said,
once you do it one one year, then I mean,
idea of you doing it a second year and calling
it the breakout, it'd be something entirely different. But I
think if there's a guy that is poised to have
a breakout, I would think it's Ke Robinson because that's

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the reason that the team moved joanah Ellis to inside
linebacker because they felt that Joan, I mean Ke Robinson
was able to make a next step, and we'll get
a chance to see if he's able to do that.
But seeing his due on the field last season, man,
I mean he was intense. He made a couple of plays.
But now I'm being the second year of the system,

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he's going to challenge maybe John Van Cooper for more
planton I love those picks.

Speaker 6 (18:18):
I think I'd go with Pat Bryan.

Speaker 5 (18:20):
You know, he seemed to be breaking out down the
stretch last year and injuries were just keeping him off
the field. Now he's got the Guardian cap, he's got
that extra patting on his helmet. Hopefully that keeps him
out of the blue tent. And you know, I think
obviously he's going to be a third fiddle to Jalen
Wattle in Courtland Sutton, But I think he could be
the ancillary weapon that breaks out this year like Lay

(18:41):
two years ago in Franklin last season.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
I'm with it on that, I could. I could see that.
There's a lot of cases. I think rjrv Is the
one guy you can't say he's going to break out.

Speaker 6 (18:49):
I would That's where I disagree.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
I think he can still break out as a runner
because he did prove himself a lot of the receiver,
but he already broke out as a player as a maybe,
but I think as a as a true running back,
he still has a lot to crew.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Okay, fair enough.

Speaker 5 (19:02):
Wo Brett Veach said in a Wednesday interview with Sirius
XM that he knew almost immediately that Travis Kelsey was
going to return for the twenty twenty seventh season.

Speaker 7 (19:14):
Well, you're going through the season that we had yesterday, certainly,
like you know, mid November, early December, you know, there's
probably some questions in my mind. I will say that
those questions were alleviated almost immediately. And we we played
in Vegas, last game of the season, and.

Speaker 8 (19:30):
We came back here that Monday, we had player exit
interviews and Travis popped in the office, and you know,
we talked about a lot of stuff on the coaching staff,
on the on the roster staff, but you know, the
one thing he said was you know, I mean, he
basically said, I'm not going out like this, and you know,
I'm gonna take a few weeks off here, but let's
get in touch and you know, let's plan on me
being here.

Speaker 5 (19:51):
What do you think about Kelsey coming back for twenty
twenty seven and with that framing of him saying, I
don't want to go out like this, do you think
he's going to have a better or worse season than
he had in twenty twenty five? For reference sake, seventy
six receptions for eight hundred and fifty one yards and
five touchdowns. That was his twenty twenty five the fewest

(20:12):
receptions he's had in a season since twenty fifteen, second
lowest yardage total of his career, and he hasn't had
a season with more than five touchdowns since twenty twenty two.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
I don't believe he'll eclipse last year's numbers. I mean
maybe because you'll maybe you have my homes down a stretch,
you know, as far as that kind of stuff goes
and everything, but it'll be close. He's clearly not the
same player. He was still a decent player, but not
nearly the same player he was, and he's prime. Yeah,
I don't expect him to be you know with airpe
enemy run on the show. I don't expect him to

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be that big a factor walking.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
It's kind of the third time ma charm for Travis
Kelsey because remember back in twenty twenty four they lost
to the Eagles and he didn't do nothing. I mean,
he looked really bad in that particular game, and he
decided to come back again. So statistically you look at
his targets, they were down from what they've been in

(21:05):
the past. And Travis Kelcey is not the same type
of player, and I don't think he's gonna have the
same numbers because you have Emma Johnson now on the
team and you have keimnick Walker that tells you where
they want to run. The ball more than they want
to throw the ball. And Holmes is coming off this injury,
so this may be the last Swan Zone we see
of Travis Keulnsey, and he's.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Gonna seemingly have, you know, maybe a month of his
season with Justin Fields at quarterback, which to as Ben
will be quick to point out, is not going to
help out the receiving stats.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
That that's smile on your face like that.

Speaker 6 (21:40):
I just know, I know Justin Field.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Let me tell you something, Nick, I would rather have
Justin Fields than Nathan Peter.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Move how much I hate Nathan Peter.

Speaker 9 (21:50):
I'm gonna tell him tell this to his face on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Right to his face.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
Right, you're seeing Justin Fields on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
No Peter.

Speaker 5 (22:02):
Anyway, I thought I was missing out on this bold
then Justin Fields me peta.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I told him that to his faced on Twitter, to
his face on Twitter, on Twitter face Twitter face. That's
that's one was saving. He tried to respond, but it
was intercepted.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
Rob Gronkowski recently said during our in appearance on Leonard
Fournett's podcast that he thinks the twenty twenty Bucks were
the best team he's ever played on who's.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
The better team? Twenty twenty Bucks? Are any past team
that you played with?

Speaker 5 (22:35):
Oh, I would say, oh, man, the twenty twenty Bucks,
I would say skill set skill wise.

Speaker 8 (22:41):
I think that team is probably the best skill set.

Speaker 6 (22:45):
Team I've ever been in Summer US.

Speaker 5 (22:47):
Are you surprised to hear Gronk say the Bucks were
the best team he's ever been a part of, And
do you agree that the Bucks were better than any
of those twenty ten's Patriots squads?

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Well, there's an.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Important covey out there when he said skill set wise,
because you look at what they had, the diverse skill
set that they had. You looked at offensive line, you
look at the different types of receivers that they had
him Tom Brady, you look at the defensive side of
the ball. They were loaded top to bottom on that
football team. So I'm not I get it. I get
what he's saying there is that maybe there may have
been more talent, you know, at times with some of

(23:19):
the other teams that he had, But the reality is
just the diverse set of skills that they had on
that team might have been the best, and they won
a Super Bowl. So it's tough tough to you know,
complain about that.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Well, if you win the Super Bowl, that counts for something.
That says a lot. And you think about Leonard Fournette
being on that ross and the fact that Rob grin
Kowski was added to that roster because of his relationship
with Tom Brady, that was one hell over ross it
if you go back and look at the top to
bottom and very talented. So I would agree that that

(23:52):
twenty twenty roster was better than that Patrios ROSSI because
everyone was like, oh, well the Patriots got a couple
of guys here and there, and Tom Brady was the factor,
but tab A bang Ross loaded.

Speaker 5 (24:04):
And I will say he did answer the question that
funky way with the skill set, But the question was
you know, what's the best team You've ever been a
part of? And I didn't take anything out of context there.
Afterwards they get into this weird debate about Leonard Jones
there Leonardournett and Ronald Jones and the number one, number
two running back dynamics, and they go on a whole
separate tangent. But that was seemingly his answer to what's

(24:26):
the best team I've ever been a part of?

Speaker 6 (24:27):
And like you were saying, I kind of get it.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
With the talent and also how the season ended. You know,
I think the Super Bowl wins he had with the
Patriots were the incredibly close Malcolm Butler win, the kind
of unimpressive win over the Rams or less than exciting
went over the Rams. And then you have the Chiefs
win where you detonate an active dynasty.

Speaker 6 (24:49):
They just blew them out of the water.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, and really like I laid the blueprint on or
took the blueprint and added to.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
It on how to defend that, or the also releasing
Kenny Moore the second after failing to find a trade
partner for the talented nickel cornerback.

Speaker 6 (25:06):
Who do you think will sign Kenny Moore?

Speaker 5 (25:08):
And are you surprised Indy was so ready to move
on from him that they would.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Cut him by It was a mutual deal.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
And the alleged to be the Packers Eagles are Titans sours.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
I would even throw the Miami Dolphins.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
In their two bodies.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
But he has the connections there, Gus Bradley, who was
his defensive coordinators the DC with the Titans. You've got
Jonathan Gannon who was his corners coach back when he
was drafted he's now with the the DC, with the
Packers and then the Eagles. Of course a lot of
that staff was what was there in Indy, you know,
and then.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
To move outs.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
I think this is a great position for Kenny Moore
to be in, opposed to him being traded to a
team that's not a contender, a team that will not
know how to utilize him, and the team he doesn't
want to go to now have to be a release.
You have your option to go to wherever you want
to go. So, I mean the ball is in his court.
And once again, Miami and some of those team that
you name Baltimore, I would throw them in as well

(25:59):
with the individual teams even they need to get the Raiders,
yeahs have need.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
I was going with the connections.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Okay, either way, he's got options.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah he should.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
He's still a very good nickel cornerback. I think all
those options made sense. You would think he'd rather go
for a Ravens or a Packers or an Eagles than
a Titans or a Dolphins just because, hey, if you
are at the end of your career, why why spend
it on one of those struggling franchise Five klits wide
receiver Josh Downs commented on his upcoming matchup with younger

(26:31):
brother and rookie Cowboys defensive back Caleb Downs.

Speaker 10 (26:35):
I remember before he got drafted not to like talk
about the Cowboys skiing or nothing, but he told me
if he goes to the Cowboys, he's playing nickel. So
that's like head ahead like all games. So I was like,
that's interesting. So when he got drafted, I was like,
you know, we play all this year, and he got
all hype, and I was like, I'm like, you know,
it's all funny games, but you know, I gotta still

(26:57):
let him know he's the little brother in the situation.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
Would you rather or sorry, what do you make of
Josh Down's remarks and would you rather play on the
same team as your brother or against your brother?

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, okay, so this is a fun question because it
depends on what position you played. If I'm on offense,
I would absolutely rather play against my brother because I
can get this. I know I can get his head.
I know you know what he does if I'm if
I'm on defense, but I don't know what that dude
knowing my stuff, I don't you know, I don't know
want to know my weakness.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
I'd rather be on my team. You know.

Speaker 6 (27:26):
I want to to hit him, I want to get well.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
I'd be up hit him at home anyway. Whatever.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
But no, if you're uh if, I'll just say this
way because I did a line up against my brother
on the same team and you know, and practice and
all that kind of stuff, he would I have loved
going up against him because I knew every button to
push on offense.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
I have experience with this my brother. We went to
college together and my brother was playing wide receiver and
I just looked at him as another dude playing wide
receiver and I ran through his chest only to get
a phone call.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
From my mom.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
So this makes fun for family conversation when you're sitting down.
But the idea of older brother being playing a slot
and being able to work your younger brother, oh man,
that's sign me up.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
What kind of brothers are you guys? What do you
mean we're going to be on the.

Speaker 9 (28:12):
Same team as your brother?

Speaker 2 (28:14):
No?

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Have success.

Speaker 9 (28:15):
No, I got to play with my brother and high
school and like, there was nothing better than like being
on the same team and having success and winning games.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Well that was fun in high school, but yeah, in
a different world after No.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Because listen, big brother, little brother does always you know.

Speaker 9 (28:31):
Yeah, I was a little brother and I was cheering
on my big brother.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Smre in touchdown.

Speaker 6 (28:35):
You guys rest up, of course.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
Okay, so you on another team, I'm about to work.
You're about to give you this work now, and dan'n
tell you about that after the game.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
No brotherly love between these guys.

Speaker 5 (28:45):
So to grats point, would you rather be Avon Treill
and aj Treill little brother getting drafted to big brother's team,
or Josh Down's and Caleb Downs where you're on different
teams and you know, hey, we get to play each
other this year and we play these you know, complimentary.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
Positions playing each other.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
So you say it again, you would brother?

Speaker 6 (29:03):
Would you rather be Avian.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
Trail and a J Traill the brothers that are now
with the Falcons, or this Josh Down's Caleb down situation
where they're different teams but they're scheduled they're gonna play
each other.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Oh, I'm gonna I know, I'm gonna run it up
that game. I'm gonna run it up.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
I do.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yes, I don't even hear you would never like you
going into a situation where you have a lifetime scouting
report on the guy you're up against.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
If you're on offense. This is here.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
Did you change?

Speaker 9 (29:29):
I mean, this is all I got to say is
I'm glad I'm not your guys in.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Brother.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
Hey, look I go I go to the I go
to the mat for my brother.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
You know, he knew we need to find a hid
a body. I'll go to the mat for my brother.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
But at the same time, when it comes to getting
the bag on the football field, I'm running up the
body count sib.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
I mean, it's just what it is.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Six.

Speaker 6 (29:51):
The story that won't die.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
Ian Rappaport reported this week that Aaron Rodgers will be
visiting with the Steelers and will likely play for Pittsburgh
this season, with the phrasing of likely though, do you
think there's any realistic outcome where Rogers doesn't play for
the Steelers this season?

Speaker 6 (30:08):
Also, where would.

Speaker 5 (30:10):
Rogers land and what would Pittsburgh's backup plan be if
he didn't play for them?

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Well, he'd land at the house. It'll be Pittsburgh or nothing.
I believe he'll play for Pittsburgh. And it's not about
the money. It's about control of the offense and how
much Mike McCarthy has.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Versus him and Mike McCarthy because he wants to win
in Pittsburgh, he is going to go to a familiar
face and try to set him up. So these two guys,
whatever odds that are disagreements they had in the past,
they work well with one another and winning games. And
sometimes that little friction between head coach, offensive coordinator and

(30:45):
quarterback actually, man, some beautiful things come about. I remember
watching Bill O'Brien yelling sideline with Tom Brady. Some great
things came out of that. So I like it. This
is great for Pittsburgh fans, and it is grateful football.

Speaker 6 (31:00):
I think it'll be good friction.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
I'm excited to just have some resolution to the story.
I'm curious, though, Ben if Rogers does decide to stay
at Homestead on the couch if he calls Pittsburgh's bluff.

Speaker 6 (31:12):
Are they really going to trot.

Speaker 5 (31:13):
Out a Will Howard drew Aller offense this season and
they're kind of like, win now win though I don't.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Think they would.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
I think they would just consider that, Okay, we're thrown
away this year, trying out one of these two guys
and see if they hit, if they don't, and we're
going to be primed in a draft that's loaded with
talent to make another run.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
That's fair, but it seems like you signed Mike McCarthy
in part, and a lot of their messaging this offseason
has been, hey, we're we're still trying to win right now.
We think we've got this one. That's he's trying to
win right now.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
They're that franchise that's said that said, there was another
reason they had.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
To move on from that coach.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
And I will tell you that if Mike Rabel resigns,
it will not be Mike Tomlin in New England because
of that reason.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
Interesting, but I mean, it's hard to sell win now
when you've got Will Howard Underson.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
I agree with that. The Titans try to do it
with Will level.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
That's why you've been.

Speaker 6 (32:03):
That's what I yes.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
I mean, you know, you try to settle with Mason Rudolph,
You try to sell with Justin Fields Drawers that meme
of the broken stereo and it's like, uh, it doesn't
work but could be fun to fix. Well, yeah, it's
the it's the what you McCall, it's the arrested development meme.

Speaker 5 (32:20):
It doesn't where it never works for anybody, but it
might work for us or another rest development. It's the
dead dove in the fridge. Yeah right, dead dove don't Yeah,
I don't know what I was expecting.

Speaker 6 (32:30):
That's kind of what.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Okay, there you go.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Appreciate you, Zach coming in for an NFL six bag
wrapped up an other successful show. We had segments with
Sean Keeler, Greg camp Well smash Mouth joined.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Us for a segment. You missed any part of that
Broncos Country Night, that com.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
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Span The Defiant uh, but not new episodes of the
Taking It for Granted podcast.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Hey, you just gonna keep doing that.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
Just gotta keep doing it.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Roll the Dice one day to its star.

Speaker 9 (33:04):
I'm just glad once again, I'm not your guys brothers.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
I can't believe you've never had that kind of simpling.

Speaker 9 (33:11):
Rivalry in the fact, but if you get a chance
to play in the professional league with your brothers, what's
cooler than that?

Speaker 2 (33:17):
After I run it up on him, wants to prove
to everyone in the world that I can do it.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
Sure,