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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Five six six nine zero is the text line.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
As always, I see Brian's on there, so not an
ASS fan, not an ASS fan.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
ABS fan, not a CU fan. What does Brian like
price soft rock?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
I don't know what his taste of music is.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Actually, actually he just from reading through his messages seems
more of like a metal guy.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I would say, like an early two thousand's pop punk
kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Some of those like the SR seventy one and that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Wait a minute, there's different levels of metal music, right,
his heavy metal, yeah, and then there's that stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, the KMFM and say the sentence with you know
it led Zeppelin's technically, I mean originally.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
One of the originators.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
I mean, what is that. There's a bunch of people
in the minds pit just throwing.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Boat alerts, right, Hey, the f's your jam as your jam?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I'm not gonna I think it's mostly about hating their fathers.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Okay, cool, it's not really my jam, but you know
I'm gonna yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Uh six two.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Look up the Jack Black Jimmy Fallon More than Words video.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
It's epic.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I guess they did a they did a remake or
something like that. Well, it's them two doing more than
or whatever and so ya, I don't know, I have
to look that up. What else we got here?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Else?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Somebody put Winger on here? I guess this.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
It was it as eighties hair metal rock like Winger.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Weren't they on like a weren't there on tour with
like Rat and Poison or something like that?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Sounds like they perfect the perfect trio.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Rat and Poison. Yeah it was. It was Rat, Winger
and Poison, Rat with two teas and uh yeah, Rat Poison.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
What else we got here? Let's see process.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Craig Morton's nineteen eighty one season was the best season
for a quarterback when adjusted for ERA and tel Peyton
Manning in twenty twelve, better than every Lways season for
whatever that's worth. Interesting, Yeah, he did. He did have
a heck of a season. I mean he threw for
over three thousand yards back like in eineteen eighty one.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Then he finished with like eleven thousand yards passing something.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Like that for his career. Yes, I thought it was
more than that. I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, he had like thirty thousand yards like twenty seven
nine twenty seven thousand, nine hundred yards now he had
eight hundred ninety five in.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Denver, Okay. But for his career he had almost thirty thousand.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
That's now, in nineteen eighty one he passed for like
thirty two hundred yards and twenty one touchdowns and fourteen picks.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
And that was at thirty eight years old.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And back then, thirty one hundred yards was a lot
of yards to be to be thrown for down He
led the league in uh I believe it was yards
per attempt, and then he also led the league in
sacks because he was dropping back a lot. What happens
when you're trying to sling the ball downfield? Baby, Well,
it's to say he dropped back three hundred and seventy
six times that season, which is quite a bit, but
(02:47):
he was sacked fifty four times.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
The story run the ball, just to give people perspective
and how much the game has changed since the time
then he played to Now, how many times did Bowneckt
drop back last year?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Six hundred and like ten, six hundred twenty so like that.
It's crazy. Wow, this is an absolutely obscene amount of.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Of drop backs.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, three hundred and seventy six dropbacks is a lot
of a lot of dropbacks.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I'm trying to figure out. I'm trying to see what
bo I can't remembers, Like what a boat both it was.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It was over six hundred I know bow drop back
over six hundred times, which is just in say, six
hundred and twelve passing attempts.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
But he was sacked twenty two times as well.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So six hundred and thirty four dropbacks for bowl last year,
not including scrambles.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Wasn't I like a second league next to what Dak Prescott?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, I think it was first in the league. Actually,
I think he passed.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
He passed Dak Prescott at the end of the day,
and so that was You know, that's one of those
things where you're just like, oh my goodness, that is
that is ridiculous. You should not be I mean, that
does that doesn't feel like you should be dropping back
that becaues But he doesn't. You know, he only got
sacked that few times.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Why tell them?
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Tell him?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Why then?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Because it gets rid of it quick Well, not just
that it's mobility, well that too, But yeah, Craig Morton,
if you count the sacks, drop back four one hundred
and thirty times, which would have led the uh which
would have led the league that season.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
At some point, if if I'm a Craig more than
arms the lineman, I'm like, man, can we run the
damn ball?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, that's it, just it's it's a fascinating to me.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I like trying to think of where that would rank
because that was an obscene amount of at that time. Yeah,
and I'm looking to see right now exactly where that
would have ranked in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Nights to Day's Game last year. Oh, just last year alone.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, it was uh okay, So I'm gonna just do
passing attempt because I don't want to add all the
sacks in and everything. He would have been twenty fourth
in the league in passing attempts last year, but in
nineteen eighty one it was hold on a sorry miss
green Is.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I hate to wear computers to this. In nineteen eighty
what Dan Fouts?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Now, Dan Fouts did throw the ball like six hundred
ninths because that was when the Air Corrie Air Corriel
Air Coriel thing going on. But Craig more than threw
it three hundred and seventy six times, which was top
half of the league and now would be twenty four,
you would be in the bottom third.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Of the league. Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
But you had in like the sacks that's four hundreds
of odd times. I mean he was I mean that's
just that has obscene. That has obscene amount of passing. Now,
I forgot Fouts had that was year. He had six
hundred and nine attempts. That's ridiculous. And through for forty
eight hundred yards. Wooh, passive league at Eric Coriell stuff
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passively that was fun.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Now that's nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I mean that's that's Fouts would have thrown for but
through for thirty three touchdowns forty one hundred yards.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
What happens when players have had enough?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
They get pissed off.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Well, mom always said that it would be just better
to be pissed off than pissed on.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Well, I would concur to say that I've ever had
the experience of being peed on scenario. And I'll tell you, man,
I don't know if you did. You see the game
this week in between the t Wolves and the Spurs
where Winby Ama was kicked out of the game. Yeah, okay,
so Wimby is a tall seven foot four guy, very thin.
(06:24):
I think that's that's pc to say that he's ben
opposed to being Yes, yes, so obviously Minnesota they attacked
just like wolves defensively because that is what they're known for.
And it seems as though he just got kind of
got sick and tired as he was fighting for a
ball and he was throwing bowls like he was ludicrous
right and hit and I I was red in the face.
(06:46):
And he got me to thinking about Nicola Jokic, right,
Nicola Jokic is a massive man, very talented, but he
doesn't always get those calls and games. You can see
it on his body, the scratches, the whelps or whatever,
but they never really call the foules in his favor
because they goes. Well, he's a big, massive guy. He
(07:08):
can anticipate it or or he can deal with it.
He's a big guy. But what we saw against the
same Minnesota team in the playoffs was Nicola Yoki is
taking on a different perspective. And I don't know about
you guys, but I like this Nicola Jokis because he's
shown as though he is freaking frustrated and he is
barking back. And I know the NBA draft is gonna
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take place. I think it's a June something, maybe twenty
third or whatever it is, and I'm hoping that he
takes a little of that vitriol and he says that
to the management, like, hey, you need to kind of
go get me some dogs, because I like this version
of Nikola Jokis where he is barking back instead of
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playing the passive role.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, the drafts is June twenty third and twenty four, Okay, Yeah,
I'm with it.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I mean, I think in order for this team to
in order for this Nuggets team to to advance at
all going forward, somebody's got to have some edge to him.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Someone has to have some edge to him. And Aaron
Gordon is sort of that guy. But then he was hurt.
He never he doesn't play in critical games. Sometimes that's
he's hurt.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yes, but so that's the same, Like he's the one
guy that you've had had a little nasty to him,
had little edge to him, because I mean, who else
do you Cam Johnson, Michael Porter wasn't that way, Jamal
Murray isn't that way.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Like, somebody's got to have some edge to him.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
And Nicolo for being as as good and as talented
as he is is a big man. I would suggest
that absolutely nobody out there saying he's one of the
most physical players in the game.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I would like to see Joker actually embrace that name,
that nickname, be like k take over the villain rule. Yes,
like he Ledger right.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, I don't want him to like giants, to have
some money on fire or anything.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
But too soon to say, like, let's hope it works
out a little differently for nicolee k Wow, Grant Smith
going dark.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I'm just saying and ending fatherhood has worked your mind.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I turned here for the positive stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Normally out one of the greatest acting performances of all
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but he got too wrapped up
in the role at all that anyway, Yes, I would
hope that it orders not better for Yokich, but we
we need. Yeah, I want him to be the villain.
I want him to be you know, I want him
to have an edge to if somebody's got to have that. Well,
when the Minnesota Timberwolves call you out, yes, and they're
out physical you, and let me make no mistake, they did.
(09:32):
You gotta have something they can they could bite back
or bark back at least, and they didn't do either.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Well, we know that Nikole Yoki's brothers they have a
lot of bark and bite, but it would be great
to see him embrace that more. If we were looking
at the Denver Broncos roster right and looking at players
allowing their priorate frustration to move them forward, who would
(09:59):
you say could probably benefit the most on either side
of the ball.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
If who would benefit most from what, Well, the idea of.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Prior frustration propelling them forward.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Like using that, I think if markets started knocking around
in the paint a little bit, he'd get a few
more foul calls.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I mean, I'm not saying that he's going to get
the calls that SGA gets, you know.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
But but I'm just saying from a Broncos standpoint. If
we're saying, you're looking at the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Because Courtland, Okay, I've had enough, sell it a little
bit more, you know, while you're out there, maybe get
some of those p I calls that you you probably
don't get.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
No, wait, okay, let's be but in the context, we
don't want that that that soccer stuff. We don't want that.
Lebron James, you.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Don't need that. Pat Mahon lebron James flopping stuff. You
don't need Sga flopping.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
We don't need that stuff. I'm talking about grit frustration.
I've had enough. I'm to rip someone's head off. Figure
to be speaking, not literally, right, but that attitude.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I think you'd love to see who Fanka do that,
because you know he's a vicious hitter already. I think
you'd like to see some of the linebackers get that
way on the offensive side of the ball. I mean,
somebody running the ball. You want like JK Dobbins to
get off me man.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
You know we've heard the term, you know, when we
look at a running back room that had three capable guys.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
We've heard a three headed monster.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
We've heard that being phrased that way. From a physicality standpoint,
If the Broncos JK. Dobbins, R. J. Harvey and Jonah
Coleman all embraced that role, just say well, we're gonna
We're going to play that villain role in this new
season of the Broncos. What do you think we would
(11:49):
be looking at from a production standpoint and defensively, for
teams that are playing the Broncos, what would they think
if they if that those three running backs can develop
and so being just that a three headed month, like
a real three headed month.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Well, if you get that three.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Head of jabberwockie going, I think there's the sky's the
limit because once you have defenses having to suck up
on that run game, they're just too talented on the outside.
The Broncos with Jayla Wattle and Courtland Sutton and you
got mimes in the mix there, and I'm not gonna
call Troy Franklin, but whatever you know, you've got, you've
got speed, You've got guys who can play on the outside.
I mean Courtland as far as being a one on
(12:24):
one contested catch guys not bad.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I think if you can if you can get them
more isolation, more one on one coverage, looks, I think
the sky's the limit. But it takes the running game
and that engine getting going just at the rest of
it up, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
I will like to see Courtland Sudden, who is a
great person, great, great dude, great due love, Corla Sun
embrace just maybe dare I say fifteen Das Bryant. I
mean not the off the field stuff, but I'm just
saying on the field, like I'm that dude, I'm about
(13:02):
to slap you out of the way, like like on
a run play, I'm moving your body and putting it
where I wanted to be.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, I'd love to see it. I mean, Courtland's got
the frame to be able to do it. You know,
I'd love to see him out there bullying people in
the run game like that.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
See, that's what the one I'm wondering. What would it
take to kind of get him charged up that way?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I mean, he's never he's never been that despite having
that size, I would never classify as one of the
most physical receivers in the game. I mean, Tim Patrick
was the guy who you know would go. But he
has the capabilities though, That's what I'm saying. He's got
the He's got the ability. You just don't don't see
him doing it.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
I don't know what it would take to personally motivate course.
What would take is is.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
This is your last chance with the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Probably Cortland must be honest here right, Salary's here dictating
that you're probably gone after this year. They've already they
traded for Jalen Wall they're committed to him. They're not
getting rid of him after one year.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
So an inspiring deal you feel be enough to inspire. Well,
it's not inspiring, but it's the guaranteed money's gone. And
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Okay, I know still I think.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, I think Courtland Sutton, just by virtue of the
nature of the business to his age and what it
would cost to retain him versus the amount of money
you've already invested in Jalen Waddell, I don't think you
can keep courting So this is you know, do you do?
You sort of insinuate to him, Hey, man, nature of
the business is gonna be your last year here. You
need to put down some tape for whoever your future
employer is gonna be. And this is your shot at
(14:29):
getting a Super Bowl with the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
So what do you think the likelihood of the new
wide receiver coach Ronald Curry being able to I don't know,
a courage I'll put it that way. Encourage Courland Sutton
and say, hey, listen, I know what has been like
around here for you, but for you to jump to
that next level, to that to that next tier of
wide receiver. Here's where what I see for you in
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twenty twenty six. And if you do this, whether this
year in the Broncos uniform or someone else, someone's going
to go, hey man, we want that guy on our
team because here's what we know.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Said.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Whatever you want to say about A. J. Brown, and
I know wide receivers prima donna attitude. They want the ball.
But you want a guy that is going to not
only command to have the ball in critical situations, but
also he's gonna walk the walk and talk to talk
at the same time. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I mean again, like, I don't know what personally motivates Courtland,
but I know it would work for me. Right well, No,
if you if you say it's like like I just said,
if you come to me and you're like, dude, this
is your last year.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Here we're in a Super Bowl window. Who knows where
your next employer is going to be.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
You want to win one or not.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I need you, I need that a I need that
dog that's in you to come out. I need everything
you got to put the tape up for your next employer.
And if you want to win a Super Bowl, we
need everybody at that level.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
See after you're gonna say what money motivates you? Nay,
saying you're not motivated by.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Money, not anymore. Not at this point in my life.
You're that Grant being gonna let us hold something.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
No, not motivated anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I didn't say it was an idio.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I just said I'm not personally, but that's not gonna like,
that's not what it's gonna give me an edge?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
You know what business decision would be to give Grant
some money to hold on to, Yeah, just to hold just.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Just don't care what happen to look at, yes, just
the whole I don't. I don't think Grant is going
to burn it like the Joker, but he might burn through.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
That's not my primary motivator. I mean it would be
some if I'm in his shoes, I'm probably getting one
more big contracts, right, We'll get one more contract over
this year from some other team.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So you want to put tape together, go get that
kind of money motivated. That's part of it.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
But I think if you want to win a ring,
I'm your corning the sudn You've you've you've walked through
the Valley of the Shadow of Death with these Broncos
like it's been it's been bad.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
You want to win a super Bowl, this is your shot.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
You're probably not gonna go to a super Bowl type
team after this. Interesting to see if you will be
motivating that way this season.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
We'll see a Parker Gabriel agree as we come back.
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Speaker 1 (16:57):
Hey, iHeart Radio says it's soft rock.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
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Speaker 1 (17:05):
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Speaker 2 (17:08):
Six six zero Texan go right up to Kiway Comms
Reil hotline though, and bringing on our guy Parker Gabriel Parker,
how's it going.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
I'm doing good?
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Guess how are you?
Speaker 7 (17:17):
Nah?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
You know, doing all right? Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Thoughts on rookie Mini Caamp and Sean Payton, specifically suggesting
Caleb Loaner as a second year player having.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
A having a big time.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Yeah, that was definitely interesting. You know, obviously there's a
couple of guys that depends on your pension credit basically
if you play or not in your in your rookie
year that are eligible for to like sort of come
back and participate in mini camp.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
Loner was one of them.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
You know, he looked like a guy who who knew
what he was doing and obviously has that, you know,
a year advantage over a lot of guys that were
in the camp. I thought it was interesting to Ben
that what Peyton said was he knows he's going to
be physical enough. He's six seven, two sixty five, and
he said he he's a nice guy, but he's got
some nastiness and some physicality to him. And so he
(18:04):
sort of said, like, yeah, I think he's I think
he's developing nicely as an inline guy, and then we'll
sort of see about the receiving element of it. And
so in that regard, he's a little bit more like
if you're going like down the basketball player turned tight
end route, you know, maybe a little bit more Chris
Manherts than a little less Jimmy Graham type of situation.
(18:25):
So yeah, it's interesting, like they have interesting numbers even
if they don't have like a bonafide, sort of top
of the charts guy at that position. And we'll see
if you can really make a run at a roster
spot here in camp.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
You know, Parkers, just like last year at the rookie
mini camp. Everyone was enamored with RIJ Harvey and they
saw him for the first time and saw how, you know,
the stature that he was blessed to have as a
running back. He was still solid and fake. When you
guys rolled in to watch the same thing with Jonah Coleman,
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did you have the same eye popping impact or did
he have that impact on you seeing his signs up
close and personal.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Yep, yeah, definitely. I Mean he's not you know, he's
not a huge guy, but he's you know, he's ripped
like he's he's he's not small by any means. And
that's what That's what Sean Payton always says about running backs.
You know, they can be short, they just can't be small.
And that's that describes Jonah Coleman.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
To a team. I mean, he's he's short. I might
even have him by half an inch or something, but
he's he's rocked up and and looks the part and
all that. And so, you know, like running backs and linemen,
like you see the movement skill, you never quite know
you know exactly what you're getting until the pads come on.
(19:46):
But definitely a good first impression. I always I.
Speaker 8 (19:48):
Always like to listen sort of pretty carefully to what.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Sean Payton says about rookies in addition to what they
look like. And you know, this isn't like necessarily big
break in your but just the way Sean already talks
about Jonah Coleman's ability and pass protection like he just
has he has third down back written all over him
as a starting point, and then you know, potentially more
(20:14):
depending on the health, you know, health in the room,
health of JK. Dobbins, and how much Argie Harvey progresses Kyle.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Parker Gabriel As we look at this mini camp, anybody
else stand out and know the kid out of Virginia's
you know, showcase the speed a little bit, and we
obviously dodged a bullet not signing non rookie Nathan Peterman,
who continues to show that he has photos on multiple
coaches in compromising situations as he continues to get auditions.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 8 (20:43):
Sean was basically asked, like, what's he doing here?
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Uh? And his answer was was fine. You know, it's
like if you if you just have rookie tryout guys
that you've never met before or only met person in
the pre draft process, you just don't know for sure
if you're going to be able to have real practices,
and so they wanted a veteran guy, and so you know,
there was Nathan Peterman.
Speaker 9 (21:06):
I don't think a big surprise that they didn't sign
him or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
I thought, yeah, cam Ross, the receiver from Virginia. Like
every year, I see all the receivers and I'm like, wow,
some of these guys look pretty good. And then you
just remember that there are just reams and reams of
receivers out there, so it's gonna be hard obviously to
make the roster there. I think the practice squad stuff
will be interesting, like Kolbe Katsis, like you can see
the sort of fluidity and the speed in the return game.
(21:33):
I thought Tommy Thomas, the Chadron State, just you know,
just yonder to the East, did some nice things. Cam
Ross obviously had the big play so receiver. As always,
there's interesting guys there. And then you know, like I
just think it's gonna be interesting to see what happens
at linebacker. You've got obviously, you know, Red Murdo, akmosphere
relevant and then Tory and York and they jump into
(21:56):
a group that.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
Had multiple undrafted guys make it.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Last year in Karne Reid and Jordan Turner eventually off
the practice squad and all that. So you know, I'm like,
I'm not saying any of these guys are going to
be like instant.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
Impact, starting level players or anything like.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
That, but I just think like, there definitely will be
competition for let's say the last I don't know, six
or eight spots on the roster, and I think a
couple of the guys that were in this camp, you know,
we'll have a chance to compete for some of those spots.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Well, speaking of a competition, you know Cage Casey a
guy who coming in I thought, Hey, the Broncos need
to find a guy with a lot of versatility, and
cage Casey actually brings that because he's played the left
tackle position, but in mini camp he played a little
of the left guard position. And the reason why I'm
so intrigued by this is there's another person who is
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holding down that position right now, and that's been Powers.
How much do you believe that cage Casey could actually
I guess in camp, and I know it's early or whatever,
but if you're trying to just project just a little
to really plush Ben Powers for that left guard position.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Yeah, that's a great question, Nick. I mean, I think
it's possible. I don't know that it's so overwhelmingly likely.
I mean, you're you're you know, you're trying to win
a Super Bowl. You think you have that kind of team.
You have ten games against playoff teams plus two against
Kansas City like on the schedule. I just I think,
you know, like if Casey completely outplayed Ben Powers in camp,
then sure, you play the best guy. But they've already
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sort of made it pretty clear that they don't. They
just don't really care that Powers has an eighteen million
dollar cap hit for the year, or at least not
enough to think about your sort of like typical cap
casualty move. They could have done it, They could have
did it in the spring. They didn't. You know, they
still could, I guess, or or he could just be
a reserve if somebody cleanly beats him out. But you know,
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like he got back from a torn by step really
pretty fast, given the nature of that injury last year,
and they threw him right back in there. Like he
rotated with Pelto for a couple of games and then
it was his, so they clearly still think he's their
best option. I'm sure he will be, you know, in
the starting five as they get rolling in camp, and
then I think about like now with kge Casey, Alex,
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Paulcheesky and Frank Crumb and then and then Alex Forsyth
or whoever ends up being the number two center, Like
I just I think you have guys there where you feel.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
Pretty good about covering.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
If any one player gets hurt, and you're really you know,
I think you're you're pushing it down the line to
where it's like you're gonna need to be in a
situation where you have two or three starters out before
you're really in a lot of trouble on the offensive.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
One talk with Parker Gabriel Parker is the tight end
room looks a little crowded. All of a sudden, Adam
Troup and Edit Ingram gonna be here by virtue of
the money. And then all of a sudden you've got
five guys competing for one, maybe two spots. Nate Atkins,
who's you know, can also play the h back justin,
Joe Lee and Dollan Bentley. He bolt just drafted cal
Lonner who he mentioned, you know, Sean obviously talking him up,
and Hall of Famer Lucas role at this point, I mean,
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you've got seven guys competing for four spots if you're
probably gonna gonna lose one of those draft picks. I
I menagined Bentley and try to sneak him through the
practice squad, but the math is at math in here.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Yeah, no it's not. I'm glad you mentioned the best
player on the team last there with Lucas Crowle. Yeah,
it's gonna be super interesting. Like, you know, Nate Adkins,
I thought last year like he just he had a
rough year. He was hurt multiple times, he didn't play
great when he was in there. But Sean Payton and
the coaching staff like they have loved him as a
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player since they found him as an undrafted guy three
years ago. So you know, justin Jolie like they're not
the same player. Obviously Jolie's more angrimish, but.
Speaker 8 (25:42):
Somewhere between, Like one question.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Is somewhere between Jolie and Adam Prentiss, Like can you
do enough Adkins like things? Maybe Dallan Bentley gives you
a little bit of that, Like I just somewhere along
the way here the roles are gonna sort of get
crunched a little bit. And I, you know, at least
one I heard, maybe multiple teams tried to sign Caleb Lohner,
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you know, oftens practice squad late in the year last year.
Teams that are out of contention do that to get
looks at developmental players. But he wanted to stay like
it might come down to the old fifty three man
roster game, sort of like you're saying, Ben, where it's like,
who are the guys you think you can get through
waivers at the end of August and get to the
practice squad, And who are the guys.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
Who you have to protect them the active roster And
then of course.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
You leave open the possibility that you know, performance and
or injury, you know, sort of sort of you know,
it shakes out on its own over the course of camp.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
All right, Park, let's get down to the nitty gritty.
And before you joined es, Ben and I was having
this conversation about players having enough. We talked about when Miyama,
We talked about Nikolee Yelfish. Well, we also talked about
number fourteen Cortland Sutton and I love everything about Cortland Sudden.
You know, he's bill the way that he proched the game.
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But the discussion was, what's the likelihood that Courtland Sutton's
going to embrace this season to say enough is enough
and he's gonna come out with that aggressive mentality, not
just on the fifty to fifty ball, but I'm like,
on everything that he does on the field and really
attack it in that particular way. What's the likelihood that
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Ronald kerr wou would be able to get that out
of Courton this season.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
It's interesting. I had someone bring up to me unprompted
the other day that Courtland looks great physically, and obviously,
like that's nothing new. Likes he's a specimen, right, Like
he takes tremendous care of himself and all of that,
but even sort of by his standards that he looked great.
You know, he's never he's got the frame for it,
but he's never been like a rugged blocker really on
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the perimeter and all that. They do have other guys
that can do that, but you know, like they were
really close.
Speaker 8 (27:56):
He's he's a captain.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
He's on a winning team consistently now for the first
time in his career. And not only that, but there's
a fleet of young receivers behind him that look up
to him, and I think life sharing a room with
him and.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
All of that.
Speaker 9 (28:11):
But also like as you get into year two and
then if you're looking beyond this year, like the back
half of the extension, he signs that are trying to
take a job more or less, So like, I don't
know like that.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
I think quot N Sunton's always motivated and it will
be just like, Okay, put it this way, Like I
was talking to Marvin Mims at this elementary school, Kaiser Elementary.
He and Pat Bryant gave out a bunch of shoes
to kids this cool thing on Friday, and Marvin was like, yeah, man,
like a lot's changed, Like there's a lot different in
our room. And when you think about it, that's really true.
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Ronald Curry's the coach there now, Willie Sneid is the
quality control guy, Davis Webb's the offensive coordinator. Galen Waddells
in the room like they're just there. Really has been
maybe no room on the team has had more turnover overall,
just like on a day to day impact wise than
that group, and so like things.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Are going to change there one way or another. Of
course it's going to play a ton obviously, but like I.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Just that room's going to have a little bit of
a different feel to it. And I'm with you, guys,
I sort of wonder what the impact of that will be.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Way, is the impact of Davis Webb the play caller
is going to be on the way this looks? Is
this going to still have the Sean Payton blueprint to it?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Because we know what that is.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
We get twenty years of seeing Sean Payton's offense. It
really has not changed much. Do you think that Davis
Webb calling the plays is going to change the architectural
identity of this offense a little bit?
Speaker 9 (29:36):
I think so, yeah, I will be interested.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
I think the single biggest question I'm not sure, like philosophically,
how close or far Davis Webb is to Sean Payton.
Like he's learned a lot from him in the last
three years he spent time with them. He's a really
smart guy. I'm sure he's seeing a lot of stuff
that he likes and that he knows that Bo Nicks likes,
but also like one of the most fascinating elements of
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the relationship between Seawan and Davis Web will be how
much Sean Payton lets Davis Web sort of like migrate
away from his offense from Shawn's offense if he wants to.
I don't know that he wants to. But how much
more Shanahan style stuff can he do? How much of
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the you know, how much of the.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
Mike Leach like, you know, influence will we get. So
there's a lot of questions with that.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
You know, he's obviously deeply schooled in that air raid stuff,
So I I don't know. I think it will depend
ultimately on what Sean wants on that front or how
much he's willing to sort of turn that over to
Davis like game planning, play design, all of that stuff.
Shawn's always been the leader of that, and I think
he'll obviously still have a major influence. It's just a
(30:54):
matter of like, is it Davis Webb calling Sean Payton's
offense or is it Davis Webb Davis Webb's offense with
heavy input from Champaygton.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
Those seemed like two different things to me, and I
don't know that we know the answer to that question
right now. I'm not I don't know if Davis knows
the answer to that question right now. So we'll we'll
see how that unfolds over the summer.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Well, Parker, I'm hoping that you can help us and
you know the answer to this particular question, because we're
not just a football show. You answer on Broncos Country tonight.
But we were talking about Journey, the band Journey, and
there was I don't know, maybe Ryan, there was said
that it was kind of like soft rock. Now, I
(31:36):
don't know if you listen to Journey, I would I
would think that you've heard of the band, And if
you have, what would you classify them as it? Is
it rock or is it soft rock?
Speaker 8 (31:48):
It's still like I'm.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Gonna get myself in trouble no matter how I answer
this one.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Oh no, You're perfectly okay going to get yourself in trouble.
Speaker 8 (31:57):
I never I guess I I never thought of them
as soft rock.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
But now that I'm trying to, I'm trying to go
through that.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
It's not I'm not not do that, Parker.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Don't do that, Parker.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Stick Stick was your first I just.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Think I think like classic rock. Now, is it on
the softer side, Yeah, probably, But I don't think it's
soft rock.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Okay, I'm with you on that. I call it arena rock.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
The yacht rock station, I mean that probably, but I
you know that I call it rock. I mean it's
played on that. Though Journey does get played on the
rock station. They may play some of their songs, yes,
one or two, but it's not rock.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
It's it's arena rock, right, eighties arena.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
I want to see your I want to see your
guys I want to see your concentric circles on. I
want to see the Ven diagram of soft rock and
yacht rock.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, this is my wheelhouse. Well, well not we're gonna
rename it's saying the Ven diagram anymore. It's just the
Ben diagram. Now, as figure that out.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Real quick, Parker, before we got to go real quick.
About thirty seconds here. The Broncos one are the world.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Teams on opening drives in the NFL last year, got
only scored only twenty nine points for the entire season.
Teams that were worse included the Jets, the Raiders, the Cardinals.
They were spectacularly bad on the script last year. Do
you think they can they can improve that this year?
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Yeah? I do.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
I do, And I think consistently running the football, not
just when JK.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Dobbins is in there, but just overall run.
Speaker 8 (33:23):
Game consistency and coming out.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
You know, just yeah, I think they can be I mean,
it'd be hard to be worse, so there's that. But
I think run the.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
Football consistently, see a little bit of Davis.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Web wrinkle in there, and I think they'll be better
on opening drives.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Looking forward to it. Parker appreciated as always.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
We'll see you guys, all.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Right, Take care, park Gabriel the most.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
We got a break.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
We'll be back.
Five six six nine zero is the text line.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
As always, I see Brian's on there, so not an
ASS fan, not an ASS fan.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
ABS fan, not a CU fan. What does Brian like
price soft rock?
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
I don't know what his taste of music is.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Actually, actually he just from reading through his messages seems
more of like a metal guy.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
I would say, like an early two thousand's pop punk
kind of guy.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Some of those like the SR seventy one and that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Wait a minute, there's different levels of metal music, right,
his heavy metal, yeah, and then there's that stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah, the KMFM and say the sentence with you know
it led Zeppelin's technically, I mean originally.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
One of the originators.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
I mean, what is that. There's a bunch of people
in the minds pit just throwing.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Boat alerts, right, Hey, the f's your jam as your jam?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
I'm not gonna I think it's mostly about hating their fathers.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Okay, cool, it's not really my jam, but you know
I'm gonna yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Uh six two.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Look up the Jack Black Jimmy Fallon More than Words video.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
It's epic.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I guess they did a they did a remake or
something like that. Well, it's them two doing more than
or whatever and so ya, I don't know, I have
to look that up. What else we got here?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Else?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Somebody put Winger on here? I guess this.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
It was it as eighties hair metal rock like Winger.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Weren't they on like a weren't there on tour with
like Rat and Poison or something like that?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Sounds like they perfect the perfect trio.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Rat and Poison. Yeah it was. It was Rat, Winger
and Poison, Rat with two teas and uh yeah, Rat Poison.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
What else we got here? Let's see process.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Craig Morton's nineteen eighty one season was the best season
for a quarterback when adjusted for ERA and tel Peyton
Manning in twenty twelve, better than every Lways season for
whatever that's worth. Interesting, Yeah, he did. He did have
a heck of a season. I mean he threw for
over three thousand yards back like in eineteen eighty one.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Then he finished with like eleven thousand yards passing something.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Like that for his career. Yes, I thought it was
more than that. I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, he had like thirty thousand yards like twenty seven
nine twenty seven thousand, nine hundred yards now he had
eight hundred ninety five in.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Denver, Okay. But for his career he had almost thirty thousand.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
That's now, in nineteen eighty one he passed for like
thirty two hundred yards and twenty one touchdowns and fourteen picks.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
And that was at thirty eight years old.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
And back then, thirty one hundred yards was a lot
of yards to be to be thrown for down He
led the league in uh I believe it was yards
per attempt, and then he also led the league in
sacks because he was dropping back a lot. What happens
when you're trying to sling the ball downfield? Baby, Well,
it's to say he dropped back three hundred and seventy
six times that season, which is quite a bit, but
(02:47):
he was sacked fifty four times.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
The story run the ball, just to give people perspective
and how much the game has changed since the time
then he played to Now, how many times did Bowneckt
drop back last year?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Six hundred and like ten, six hundred twenty so like that.
It's crazy. Wow, this is an absolutely obscene amount of.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Of drop backs.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, three hundred and seventy six dropbacks is a lot
of a lot of dropbacks.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I'm trying to figure out. I'm trying to see what
bo I can't remembers, Like what a boat both it was.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It was over six hundred I know bow drop back
over six hundred times, which is just in say, six
hundred and twelve passing attempts.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
But he was sacked twenty two times as well.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So six hundred and thirty four dropbacks for bowl last year,
not including scrambles.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Wasn't I like a second league next to what Dak Prescott?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Yeah, I think it was first in the league. Actually,
I think he passed.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
He passed Dak Prescott at the end of the day,
and so that was You know, that's one of those
things where you're just like, oh my goodness, that is
that is ridiculous. You should not be I mean, that
does that doesn't feel like you should be dropping back
that becaues But he doesn't. You know, he only got
sacked that few times.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Why tell them?
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Tell him?
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Why then?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Because it gets rid of it quick Well, not just
that it's mobility, well that too, But yeah, Craig Morton,
if you count the sacks, drop back four one hundred
and thirty times, which would have led the uh which
would have led the league that season.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
At some point, if if I'm a Craig more than
arms the lineman, I'm like, man, can we run the
damn ball?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Yeah, that's it, just it's it's a fascinating to me.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I like trying to think of where that would rank
because that was an obscene amount of at that time. Yeah,
and I'm looking to see right now exactly where that
would have ranked in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Nights to Day's Game last year. Oh, just last year alone.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, it was uh okay, So I'm gonna just do
passing attempt because I don't want to add all the
sacks in and everything. He would have been twenty fourth
in the league in passing attempts last year, but in
nineteen eighty one it was hold on a sorry miss
green Is.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I hate to wear computers to this. In nineteen eighty
what Dan Fouts?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Now, Dan Fouts did throw the ball like six hundred
ninths because that was when the Air Corrie Air Corriel
Air Coriel thing going on. But Craig more than threw
it three hundred and seventy six times, which was top
half of the league and now would be twenty four,
you would be in the bottom third.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Of the league. Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
But you had in like the sacks that's four hundreds
of odd times. I mean he was I mean that's
just that has obscene. That has obscene amount of passing. Now,
I forgot Fouts had that was year. He had six
hundred and nine attempts. That's ridiculous. And through for forty
eight hundred yards. Wooh, passive league at Eric Coriell stuff
(05:40):
passively that was fun.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Now that's nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I mean that's that's Fouts would have thrown for but
through for thirty three touchdowns forty one hundred yards.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
What happens when players have had enough?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
They get pissed off.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Well, mom always said that it would be just better
to be pissed off than pissed on.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Well, I would concur to say that I've ever had
the experience of being peed on scenario. And I'll tell you, man,
I don't know if you did. You see the game
this week in between the t Wolves and the Spurs
where Winby Ama was kicked out of the game. Yeah, okay,
so Wimby is a tall seven foot four guy, very thin.
(06:24):
I think that's that's pc to say that he's ben
opposed to being Yes, yes, so obviously Minnesota they attacked
just like wolves defensively because that is what they're known for.
And it seems as though he just got kind of
got sick and tired as he was fighting for a
ball and he was throwing bowls like he was ludicrous
right and hit and I I was red in the face.
(06:46):
And he got me to thinking about Nicola Jokic, right,
Nicola Jokic is a massive man, very talented, but he
doesn't always get those calls and games. You can see
it on his body, the scratches, the whelps or whatever,
but they never really call the foules in his favor
because they goes. Well, he's a big, massive guy. He
(07:08):
can anticipate it or or he can deal with it.
He's a big guy. But what we saw against the
same Minnesota team in the playoffs was Nicola Yoki is
taking on a different perspective. And I don't know about
you guys, but I like this Nicola Jokis because he's
shown as though he is freaking frustrated and he is
barking back. And I know the NBA draft is gonna
(07:32):
take place. I think it's a June something, maybe twenty
third or whatever it is, and I'm hoping that he
takes a little of that vitriol and he says that
to the management, like, hey, you need to kind of
go get me some dogs, because I like this version
of Nikola Jokis where he is barking back instead of
(07:53):
playing the passive role.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, the drafts is June twenty third and twenty four, Okay, Yeah,
I'm with it.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I mean, I think in order for this team to
in order for this Nuggets team to to advance at
all going forward, somebody's got to have some edge to him.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Someone has to have some edge to him. And Aaron
Gordon is sort of that guy. But then he was hurt.
He never he doesn't play in critical games. Sometimes that's
he's hurt.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Yes, but so that's the same, Like he's the one
guy that you've had had a little nasty to him,
had little edge to him, because I mean, who else
do you Cam Johnson, Michael Porter wasn't that way, Jamal
Murray isn't that way.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Like, somebody's got to have some edge to him.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
And Nicolo for being as as good and as talented
as he is is a big man. I would suggest
that absolutely nobody out there saying he's one of the
most physical players in the game.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
I would like to see Joker actually embrace that name,
that nickname, be like k take over the villain rule. Yes,
like he Ledger right.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, I don't want him to like giants, to have
some money on fire or anything.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
But too soon to say, like, let's hope it works
out a little differently for nicolee k Wow, Grant Smith
going dark.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I'm just saying and ending fatherhood has worked your mind.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I turned here for the positive stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Normally out one of the greatest acting performances of all
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but he got too wrapped up
in the role at all that anyway, Yes, I would
hope that it orders not better for Yokich, but we
we need. Yeah, I want him to be the villain.
I want him to be you know, I want him
to have an edge to if somebody's got to have that. Well,
when the Minnesota Timberwolves call you out, yes, and they're
out physical you, and let me make no mistake, they did.
(09:32):
You gotta have something they can they could bite back
or bark back at least, and they didn't do either.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Well, we know that Nikole Yoki's brothers they have a
lot of bark and bite, but it would be great
to see him embrace that more. If we were looking
at the Denver Broncos roster right and looking at players
allowing their priorate frustration to move them forward, who would
(09:59):
you say could probably benefit the most on either side
of the ball.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
If who would benefit most from what, Well, the idea of.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Prior frustration propelling them forward.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Like using that, I think if markets started knocking around
in the paint a little bit, he'd get a few
more foul calls.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I mean, I'm not saying that he's going to get
the calls that SGA gets, you know.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
But but I'm just saying from a Broncos standpoint. If
we're saying, you're looking at the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Because Courtland, Okay, I've had enough, sell it a little
bit more, you know, while you're out there, maybe get
some of those p I calls that you you probably
don't get.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
No, wait, okay, let's be but in the context, we
don't want that that that soccer stuff. We don't want that.
Lebron James, you.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Don't need that. Pat Mahon lebron James flopping stuff. You
don't need Sga flopping.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
We don't need that stuff. I'm talking about grit frustration.
I've had enough. I'm to rip someone's head off. Figure
to be speaking, not literally, right, but that attitude.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I think you'd love to see who Fanka do that,
because you know he's a vicious hitter already. I think
you'd like to see some of the linebackers get that
way on the offensive side of the ball. I mean,
somebody running the ball. You want like JK Dobbins to
get off me man.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
You know we've heard the term, you know, when we
look at a running back room that had three capable guys.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
We've heard a three headed monster.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
We've heard that being phrased that way. From a physicality standpoint,
If the Broncos JK. Dobbins, R. J. Harvey and Jonah
Coleman all embraced that role, just say well, we're gonna
We're going to play that villain role in this new
season of the Broncos. What do you think we would
(11:49):
be looking at from a production standpoint and defensively, for
teams that are playing the Broncos, what would they think
if they if that those three running backs can develop
and so being just that a three headed month, like
a real three headed month.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Well, if you get that three.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Head of jabberwockie going, I think there's the sky's the
limit because once you have defenses having to suck up
on that run game, they're just too talented on the outside.
The Broncos with Jayla Wattle and Courtland Sutton and you
got mimes in the mix there, and I'm not gonna
call Troy Franklin, but whatever you know, you've got, you've
got speed, You've got guys who can play on the outside.
I mean Courtland as far as being a one on
(12:24):
one contested catch guys not bad.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I think if you can if you can get them
more isolation, more one on one coverage, looks, I think
the sky's the limit. But it takes the running game
and that engine getting going just at the rest of
it up, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
I will like to see Courtland Sudden, who is a
great person, great, great dude, great due love, Corla Sun
embrace just maybe dare I say fifteen Das Bryant. I
mean not the off the field stuff, but I'm just
saying on the field, like I'm that dude, I'm about
(13:02):
to slap you out of the way, like like on
a run play, I'm moving your body and putting it
where I wanted to be.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, I'd love to see it. I mean, Courtland's got
the frame to be able to do it. You know,
I'd love to see him out there bullying people in
the run game like that.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
See, that's what the one I'm wondering. What would it
take to kind of get him charged up that way?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I mean, he's never he's never been that despite having
that size, I would never classify as one of the
most physical receivers in the game. I mean, Tim Patrick
was the guy who you know would go. But he
has the capabilities though, That's what I'm saying. He's got
the He's got the ability. You just don't don't see
him doing it.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
I don't know what it would take to personally motivate course.
What would take is is.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
This is your last chance with the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Probably Cortland must be honest here right, Salary's here dictating
that you're probably gone after this year. They've already they
traded for Jalen Wall they're committed to him. They're not
getting rid of him after one year.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
So an inspiring deal you feel be enough to inspire. Well,
it's not inspiring, but it's the guaranteed money's gone. And
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Okay, I know still I think.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Yeah, I think Courtland Sutton, just by virtue of the
nature of the business to his age and what it
would cost to retain him versus the amount of money
you've already invested in Jalen Waddell, I don't think you
can keep courting So this is you know, do you do?
You sort of insinuate to him, Hey, man, nature of
the business is gonna be your last year here. You
need to put down some tape for whoever your future
employer is gonna be. And this is your shot at
(14:29):
getting a Super Bowl with the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
So what do you think the likelihood of the new
wide receiver coach Ronald Curry being able to I don't know,
a courage I'll put it that way. Encourage Courland Sutton
and say, hey, listen, I know what has been like
around here for you, but for you to jump to
that next level, to that to that next tier of
wide receiver. Here's where what I see for you in
(14:53):
twenty twenty six. And if you do this, whether this
year in the Broncos uniform or someone else, someone's going
to go, hey man, we want that guy on our
team because here's what we know.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Said.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Whatever you want to say about A. J. Brown, and
I know wide receivers prima donna attitude. They want the ball.
But you want a guy that is going to not
only command to have the ball in critical situations, but
also he's gonna walk the walk and talk to talk
at the same time. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I mean again, like, I don't know what personally motivates Courtland,
but I know it would work for me. Right well, No,
if you if you say it's like like I just said,
if you come to me and you're like, dude, this
is your last year.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Here we're in a Super Bowl window. Who knows where
your next employer is going to be.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
You want to win one or not.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I need you, I need that a I need that
dog that's in you to come out. I need everything
you got to put the tape up for your next employer.
And if you want to win a Super Bowl, we
need everybody at that level.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
See after you're gonna say what money motivates you? Nay,
saying you're not motivated by.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Money, not anymore. Not at this point in my life.
You're that Grant being gonna let us hold something.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
No, not motivated anymore.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
I didn't say it was an idio.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I just said I'm not personally, but that's not gonna like,
that's not what it's gonna give me an edge?
Speaker 3 (16:04):
You know what business decision would be to give Grant
some money to hold on to, Yeah, just to hold just.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Just don't care what happen to look at, yes, just
the whole I don't. I don't think Grant is going
to burn it like the Joker, but he might burn through.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
That's not my primary motivator. I mean it would be
some if I'm in his shoes, I'm probably getting one
more big contracts, right, We'll get one more contract over
this year from some other team.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
So you want to put tape together, go get that
kind of money motivated. That's part of it.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
But I think if you want to win a ring,
I'm your corning the sudn You've you've you've walked through
the Valley of the Shadow of Death with these Broncos
like it's been it's been bad.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
You want to win a super Bowl, this is your shot.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
You're probably not gonna go to a super Bowl type
team after this. Interesting to see if you will be
motivating that way this season.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
We'll see a Parker Gabriel agree as we come back.
Broncos Country Tonight, yacht rock is not soft rock, it's
yacht rock.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Hey, iHeart Radio says it's soft rock.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
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Speaker 1 (17:05):
Christopher Crosses National Treasure. That's wrong with you?
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Six six zero Texan go right up to Kiway Comms
Reil hotline though, and bringing on our guy Parker Gabriel Parker,
how's it going.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
I'm doing good?
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Guess how are you?
Speaker 7 (17:17):
Nah?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
You know, doing all right? Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Thoughts on rookie Mini Caamp and Sean Payton, specifically suggesting
Caleb Loaner as a second year player having.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
A having a big time.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
Yeah, that was definitely interesting. You know, obviously there's a
couple of guys that depends on your pension credit basically
if you play or not in your in your rookie
year that are eligible for to like sort of come
back and participate in mini camp.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
Loner was one of them.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
You know, he looked like a guy who who knew
what he was doing and obviously has that, you know,
a year advantage over a lot of guys that were
in the camp. I thought it was interesting to Ben
that what Peyton said was he knows he's going to
be physical enough. He's six seven, two sixty five, and
he said he he's a nice guy, but he's got
some nastiness and some physicality to him. And so he
(18:04):
sort of said, like, yeah, I think he's I think
he's developing nicely as an inline guy, and then we'll
sort of see about the receiving element of it. And
so in that regard, he's a little bit more like
if you're going like down the basketball player turned tight
end route, you know, maybe a little bit more Chris
Manherts than a little less Jimmy Graham type of situation.
(18:25):
So yeah, it's interesting, like they have interesting numbers even
if they don't have like a bonafide, sort of top
of the charts guy at that position. And we'll see
if you can really make a run at a roster
spot here in camp.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
You know, Parkers, just like last year at the rookie
mini camp. Everyone was enamored with RIJ Harvey and they
saw him for the first time and saw how, you know,
the stature that he was blessed to have as a
running back. He was still solid and fake. When you
guys rolled in to watch the same thing with Jonah Coleman,
(19:00):
did you have the same eye popping impact or did
he have that impact on you seeing his signs up
close and personal.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Yep, yeah, definitely. I Mean he's not you know, he's
not a huge guy, but he's you know, he's ripped
like he's he's he's not small by any means. And
that's what That's what Sean Payton always says about running backs.
You know, they can be short, they just can't be small.
And that's that describes Jonah Coleman.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
To a team. I mean, he's he's short. I might
even have him by half an inch or something, but
he's he's rocked up and and looks the part and
all that. And so, you know, like running backs and linemen,
like you see the movement skill, you never quite know
you know exactly what you're getting until the pads come on.
(19:46):
But definitely a good first impression. I always I.
Speaker 8 (19:48):
Always like to listen sort of pretty carefully to what.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Sean Payton says about rookies in addition to what they
look like. And you know, this isn't like necessarily big
break in your but just the way Sean already talks
about Jonah Coleman's ability and pass protection like he just
has he has third down back written all over him
as a starting point, and then you know, potentially more
(20:14):
depending on the health, you know, health in the room,
health of JK. Dobbins, and how much Argie Harvey progresses Kyle.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Parker Gabriel As we look at this mini camp, anybody
else stand out and know the kid out of Virginia's
you know, showcase the speed a little bit, and we
obviously dodged a bullet not signing non rookie Nathan Peterman,
who continues to show that he has photos on multiple
coaches in compromising situations as he continues to get auditions.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 8 (20:43):
Sean was basically asked, like, what's he doing here?
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Uh? And his answer was was fine. You know, it's
like if you if you just have rookie tryout guys
that you've never met before or only met person in
the pre draft process, you just don't know for sure
if you're going to be able to have real practices,
and so they wanted a veteran guy, and so you know,
there was Nathan Peterman.
Speaker 9 (21:06):
I don't think a big surprise that they didn't sign
him or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
I thought, yeah, cam Ross, the receiver from Virginia. Like
every year, I see all the receivers and I'm like, wow,
some of these guys look pretty good. And then you
just remember that there are just reams and reams of
receivers out there, so it's gonna be hard obviously to
make the roster there. I think the practice squad stuff
will be interesting, like Kolbe Katsis, like you can see
the sort of fluidity and the speed in the return game.
(21:33):
I thought Tommy Thomas, the Chadron State, just you know,
just yonder to the East, did some nice things. Cam
Ross obviously had the big play so receiver. As always,
there's interesting guys there. And then you know, like I
just think it's gonna be interesting to see what happens
at linebacker. You've got obviously, you know, Red Murdo, akmosphere
relevant and then Tory and York and they jump into
(21:56):
a group that.
Speaker 8 (21:57):
Had multiple undrafted guys make it.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Last year in Karne Reid and Jordan Turner eventually off
the practice squad and all that. So you know, I'm like,
I'm not saying any of these guys are going to
be like instant.
Speaker 8 (22:09):
Impact, starting level players or anything like.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
That, but I just think like, there definitely will be
competition for let's say the last I don't know, six
or eight spots on the roster, and I think a
couple of the guys that were in this camp, you know,
we'll have a chance to compete for some of those spots.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Well, speaking of a competition, you know Cage Casey a
guy who coming in I thought, Hey, the Broncos need
to find a guy with a lot of versatility, and
cage Casey actually brings that because he's played the left
tackle position, but in mini camp he played a little
of the left guard position. And the reason why I'm
so intrigued by this is there's another person who is
(22:50):
holding down that position right now, and that's been Powers.
How much do you believe that cage Casey could actually
I guess in camp, and I know it's early or whatever,
but if you're trying to just project just a little
to really plush Ben Powers for that left guard position.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Yeah, that's a great question, Nick. I mean, I think
it's possible. I don't know that it's so overwhelmingly likely.
I mean, you're you're you know, you're trying to win
a Super Bowl. You think you have that kind of team.
You have ten games against playoff teams plus two against
Kansas City like on the schedule. I just I think,
you know, like if Casey completely outplayed Ben Powers in camp,
then sure, you play the best guy. But they've already
(23:29):
sort of made it pretty clear that they don't. They
just don't really care that Powers has an eighteen million
dollar cap hit for the year, or at least not
enough to think about your sort of like typical cap
casualty move. They could have done it, They could have
did it in the spring. They didn't. You know, they
still could, I guess, or or he could just be
a reserve if somebody cleanly beats him out. But you know,
(23:50):
like he got back from a torn by step really
pretty fast, given the nature of that injury last year,
and they threw him right back in there. Like he
rotated with Pelto for a couple of games and then
it was his, so they clearly still think he's their
best option. I'm sure he will be, you know, in
the starting five as they get rolling in camp, and
then I think about like now with kge Casey, Alex,
(24:13):
Paulcheesky and Frank Crumb and then and then Alex Forsyth
or whoever ends up being the number two center, Like
I just I think you have guys there where you feel.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
Pretty good about covering.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
If any one player gets hurt, and you're really you know,
I think you're you're pushing it down the line to
where it's like you're gonna need to be in a
situation where you have two or three starters out before
you're really in a lot of trouble on the offensive.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
One talk with Parker Gabriel Parker is the tight end
room looks a little crowded. All of a sudden, Adam
Troup and Edit Ingram gonna be here by virtue of
the money. And then all of a sudden you've got
five guys competing for one, maybe two spots. Nate Atkins,
who's you know, can also play the h back justin,
Joe Lee and Dollan Bentley. He bolt just drafted cal
Lonner who he mentioned, you know, Sean obviously talking him up,
and Hall of Famer Lucas role at this point, I mean,
(25:02):
you've got seven guys competing for four spots if you're
probably gonna gonna lose one of those draft picks. I
I menagined Bentley and try to sneak him through the
practice squad, but the math is at math in here.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Yeah, no it's not. I'm glad you mentioned the best
player on the team last there with Lucas Crowle. Yeah,
it's gonna be super interesting. Like, you know, Nate Adkins,
I thought last year like he just he had a
rough year. He was hurt multiple times, he didn't play
great when he was in there. But Sean Payton and
the coaching staff like they have loved him as a
(25:32):
player since they found him as an undrafted guy three
years ago. So you know, justin Jolie like they're not
the same player. Obviously Jolie's more angrimish, but.
Speaker 8 (25:42):
Somewhere between, Like one question.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
Is somewhere between Jolie and Adam Prentiss, Like can you
do enough Adkins like things? Maybe Dallan Bentley gives you
a little bit of that, Like I just somewhere along
the way here the roles are gonna sort of get
crunched a little bit. And I, you know, at least
one I heard, maybe multiple teams tried to sign Caleb Lohner,
(26:07):
you know, oftens practice squad late in the year last year.
Teams that are out of contention do that to get
looks at developmental players. But he wanted to stay like
it might come down to the old fifty three man
roster game, sort of like you're saying, Ben, where it's like,
who are the guys you think you can get through
waivers at the end of August and get to the
practice squad, And who are the guys.
Speaker 9 (26:27):
Who you have to protect them the active roster And
then of course.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
You leave open the possibility that you know, performance and
or injury, you know, sort of sort of you know,
it shakes out on its own over the course of camp.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
All right, Park, let's get down to the nitty gritty.
And before you joined es, Ben and I was having
this conversation about players having enough. We talked about when Miyama,
We talked about Nikolee Yelfish. Well, we also talked about
number fourteen Cortland Sutton and I love everything about Cortland Sudden.
You know, he's bill the way that he proched the game.
(27:00):
But the discussion was, what's the likelihood that Courtland Sutton's
going to embrace this season to say enough is enough
and he's gonna come out with that aggressive mentality, not
just on the fifty to fifty ball, but I'm like,
on everything that he does on the field and really
attack it in that particular way. What's the likelihood that
(27:21):
Ronald kerr wou would be able to get that out
of Courton this season.
Speaker 8 (27:26):
Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
It's interesting. I had someone bring up to me unprompted
the other day that Courtland looks great physically, and obviously,
like that's nothing new. Likes he's a specimen, right, Like
he takes tremendous care of himself and all of that,
but even sort of by his standards that he looked great.
You know, he's never he's got the frame for it,
but he's never been like a rugged blocker really on
(27:50):
the perimeter and all that. They do have other guys
that can do that, but you know, like they were
really close.
Speaker 8 (27:56):
He's he's a captain.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
He's on a winning team consistently now for the first
time in his career. And not only that, but there's
a fleet of young receivers behind him that look up
to him, and I think life sharing a room with
him and.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
All of that.
Speaker 9 (28:11):
But also like as you get into year two and
then if you're looking beyond this year, like the back
half of the extension, he signs that are trying to
take a job more or less, So like, I don't
know like that.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
I think quot N Sunton's always motivated and it will
be just like, Okay, put it this way, Like I
was talking to Marvin Mims at this elementary school, Kaiser Elementary.
He and Pat Bryant gave out a bunch of shoes
to kids this cool thing on Friday, and Marvin was like, yeah, man,
like a lot's changed, Like there's a lot different in
our room. And when you think about it, that's really true.
(28:47):
Ronald Curry's the coach there now, Willie Sneid is the
quality control guy, Davis Webb's the offensive coordinator. Galen Waddells
in the room like they're just there. Really has been
maybe no room on the team has had more turnover overall,
just like on a day to day impact wise than
that group, and so like things.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Are going to change there one way or another. Of
course it's going to play a ton obviously, but like I.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
Just that room's going to have a little bit of
a different feel to it. And I'm with you, guys,
I sort of wonder what the impact of that will be.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Way, is the impact of Davis Webb the play caller
is going to be on the way this looks? Is
this going to still have the Sean Payton blueprint to it?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Because we know what that is.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
We get twenty years of seeing Sean Payton's offense. It
really has not changed much. Do you think that Davis
Webb calling the plays is going to change the architectural
identity of this offense a little bit?
Speaker 9 (29:36):
I think so, yeah, I will be interested.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
I think the single biggest question I'm not sure, like philosophically,
how close or far Davis Webb is to Sean Payton.
Like he's learned a lot from him in the last
three years he spent time with them. He's a really
smart guy. I'm sure he's seeing a lot of stuff
that he likes and that he knows that Bo Nicks likes,
but also like one of the most fascinating elements of
(30:01):
the relationship between Seawan and Davis Web will be how
much Sean Payton lets Davis Web sort of like migrate
away from his offense from Shawn's offense if he wants to.
I don't know that he wants to. But how much
more Shanahan style stuff can he do? How much of
(30:22):
the you know, how much of the.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
Mike Leach like, you know, influence will we get. So
there's a lot of questions with that.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
You know, he's obviously deeply schooled in that air raid stuff,
So I I don't know. I think it will depend
ultimately on what Sean wants on that front or how
much he's willing to sort of turn that over to
Davis like game planning, play design, all of that stuff.
Shawn's always been the leader of that, and I think
he'll obviously still have a major influence. It's just a
(30:54):
matter of like, is it Davis Webb calling Sean Payton's
offense or is it Davis Webb Davis Webb's offense with
heavy input from Champaygton.
Speaker 8 (31:03):
Those seemed like two different things to me, and I
don't know that we know the answer to that question
right now. I'm not I don't know if Davis knows
the answer to that question right now. So we'll we'll
see how that unfolds over the summer.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Well, Parker, I'm hoping that you can help us and
you know the answer to this particular question, because we're
not just a football show. You answer on Broncos Country tonight.
But we were talking about Journey, the band Journey, and
there was I don't know, maybe Ryan, there was said
that it was kind of like soft rock. Now, I
(31:36):
don't know if you listen to Journey, I would I
would think that you've heard of the band, And if
you have, what would you classify them as it? Is
it rock or is it soft rock?
Speaker 8 (31:48):
It's still like I'm.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Gonna get myself in trouble no matter how I answer
this one.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Oh no, You're perfectly okay going to get yourself in trouble.
Speaker 8 (31:57):
I never I guess I I never thought of them
as soft rock.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
But now that I'm trying to, I'm trying to go
through that.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
It's not I'm not not do that, Parker.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Don't do that, Parker.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Stick Stick was your first I just.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Think I think like classic rock. Now, is it on
the softer side, Yeah, probably, But I don't think it's
soft rock.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Okay, I'm with you on that. I call it arena rock.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
The yacht rock station, I mean that probably, but I
you know that I call it rock. I mean it's
played on that. Though Journey does get played on the
rock station. They may play some of their songs, yes,
one or two, but it's not rock.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
It's it's arena rock, right, eighties arena.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
I want to see your I want to see your
guys I want to see your concentric circles on. I
want to see the Ven diagram of soft rock and
yacht rock.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, this is my wheelhouse. Well, well not we're gonna
rename it's saying the Ven diagram anymore. It's just the
Ben diagram. Now, as figure that out.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Real quick, Parker, before we got to go real quick.
About thirty seconds here. The Broncos one are the world.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Teams on opening drives in the NFL last year, got
only scored only twenty nine points for the entire season.
Teams that were worse included the Jets, the Raiders, the Cardinals.
They were spectacularly bad on the script last year. Do
you think they can they can improve that this year?
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Yeah? I do.
Speaker 8 (33:16):
I do, And I think consistently running the football, not
just when JK.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
Dobbins is in there, but just overall run.
Speaker 8 (33:23):
Game consistency and coming out.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
You know, just yeah, I think they can be I mean,
it'd be hard to be worse, so there's that. But
I think run the.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
Football consistently, see a little bit of Davis.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
Web wrinkle in there, and I think they'll be better
on opening drives.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Looking forward to it. Parker appreciated as always.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
We'll see you guys, all.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Right, Take care, park Gabriel the most.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
We got a break.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
We'll be back.
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Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.
Bleep! with Ana Navarro
Fear thrives in silence and confusion. Ana Navarro rejects both. Her voice is an antidote to today’s chaos. Her new podcast, Bleep! with Ana Navarro, takes on today’s most pressing issues with the voices most connected to it: decision-makers, political leaders, cultural shapers, and people on the frontlines of the story. The conversations acknowledge the emotions we all feel—despair, sadness, fear— but emerge with knowledge, perspective, and hope. The belief is simple: fearless dialogue can transform fear into courage, and courage into change. When fear dominates the headlines, this show digs deeper. Because information, debate, and conversation don’t just ease fear, they give us power to shape the future.
Hey Jonas!
Hey Jonas! The official Jonas Brothers podcast. Hosted by Kevin, Joe, and Nick Jonas. It’s the Jonas Brothers you know... musicians, actors, and well, yes, brothers. Now, they’re sharing another side of themselves in the playful, intimate, and irreverent way only they can. Spend time with the Jonas Brothers here and stay a little bit longer for deep conversations like never before.