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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to it.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Broncos Country Tonight. Benjamin all Right. Nick ferguson Short show
post Rockies edition. Hope y'all are doing well, joined in studio.
I'm a buddy, Chris, Chris, how you doing, buddy, do.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Pretty well on this side?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
How much something doing? All Right? It has been You've
been here in Denver all weekend has been interesting. Wee
could for you, Chris, for those of you who don't know,
works at the football game plan with our good buddy
Emry Hunts and so you know, figured we have you
on today, get a little chance to talk about the
Denver Broncos waiting. An outsider thinks of the Denver Broncos
in this offseason has looked like Nick, you said, you've
(00:31):
got some stuff. You got to get a potential new
twist on this defense.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, it's something that someone within a division has done,
and they've done they've done well, and that is Jesse
Mentor and what he was able to do with Durham James.
And I'm thinking that maybe the Broncos could use a
little of that, especially known as though I guess the
depth or the level of production of the linebacker position
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has been in a question and the Broncos didn't go
out and get you know, maybe another better whide receive.
Not whyde receiver linebacker to add to the room. So
I thought about the idea of Johnny barn being the
Broncos big nickel. Okay, s of the way Will Parks
used to used to do what he was in safety here. Well, yeah,
and the extra part of having a big nickel is
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that you get an extra dB on the field, so
it helps from a cover standpoint. And I'm not just
saying this just about any dB, but looking at what
Johnny Baron was able to do last year, even as
a young player, he showed that he was light years
in advanced than what this first year actually called for.
And with him being in the second year in his defense,
(01:40):
I mean, I guess there's so many things that the
Broncos can actually do and no advance Joseph Man, he
likes to blitz his guys on the second level. Who
better to have do that than a guy likes Joddy Barron.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I'm with it, Yeah, I mean, he needs to get
more reps and get out there anyway. I mean, he
just got kind of caught in the log jam. You're
not taking reps from certain and of course you know
Riley lost the other way and then you got j
Jquy McMillan in the slot, who you know, really showed
himself last year. So yeah, I mean, if you're gonna
get uh, if you're gonna get him in there, then
you're making him with the dimeback or the heavy nickel,
you know, rotating him around that kind of stuff. Will
Parks used to have that role in Advanced Joseph's defense,
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so it's not like he didn't have experience with that.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Well, you know what, That's the way that the NFL
is trending now where we're seeing h so many different
positions that that's changing or same positions different titles. I believe,
like uh, tight ends that have wide receiver bodies, you
call them what or was the heavy slot heavy slot,
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So if you have a heavy slot, might not have
a heavy dime or someone something like that. Now, usually
when we talk about you know, DB's in the sub
package is stars that's a nickel and then now we
get a dime. But you know, having a big nickel, right,
someone that can go in and not necessarily because of
their weight and their height, but just the fact of
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the skills set itself. We called it big nickel. That
gives you opportunity to cover these tight ends, these heavy slots.
But also a guy like I said that can actually
blitz understand the run scheme. But also when teams go
into tight end sets, then you get an extra defender
on the field. We see a lot of colleges now
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using that same type of defense in college to get
more athletic. Now, an officer coordinator will look at it and say, well, well,
you put a smaller dB on the field. Well guess
what we're gonna get on a heavy package and we're
gonna run against it. But as a guy who played
a similar position in myself, I'm not a very large man.
But it goes back to teaching that dB the run
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fits and even though you think a bigger body would
be able to swallow up a smaller body. But guess what,
I'm fascinating you dude, So I get to the point
of attack before you. So I think this is excellent
opportunity and hopefully the Bronx goes utilize this, because like
you said, there's a not not enough reps for Johnny
Barron known as though you have Roley Moss and you
(04:09):
have PS two. But this is a way to get
him on a field.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, I think so. And then the other side of
this is, you know, as teams are going more twelve
th and thirteen personnel, if you've got dbs that are
willing to get a nose in there and are able
to you know, able to do run fits, able to
get in there and hit, you go. It's not the
size of the dog in the fight. It says the
you know, size the fight and the dog. We saw
that with Bryce Callahan. Bryce Callahan's my size and I
think we all know my story from high school. We're
Cedric Can. They put me out there on defense for
one place Cedric College looked at me and was like,
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I'm going through that guy. Didn't put a move on
me with eighty yards house on you know, right through me.
You gotta be able to you gotta be able to,
gotta want it right. I got that offensive mentality. I
didn't want to get hit. I want to get away
from you. I didn't want to stick anybody. But you know,
Johnny Barron, guys like Bryce Callahan back then, guys that
we saw Callahan take on Derreck Henry No fear yea,
and I would have I don't need new pants on
that one.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Well, we'll see see it all the pants now. Now,
you don't want to put a chiuaha in a fight
with the rot rottin. You don't want to do that.
So if you tell me that you has that mindset,
like he's a great day, you can do it.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
So that that's what it goes back to.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
You have to have a player who not only has
the skill set, but has the mentality. You can try
to force a guy into that position. But if he
doesn't have that, I'm a doll and I want to eat.
I don't care who you put in front of me.
They don't have that mentality, that guy could get run over.
But I believe Joddy Barron has that attitude. Hell, there's
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a lot of guys on in the Broncos secondary have
that mentality.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Jikwan McMillan. That's another guy if you if you wanted to.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
But this is just another way to get more skilled
players that have that same attitude on the field.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
At the same time, do you think Chris that the
Broncos needed to do You look across this division and
THEFC West is going to run the ball more of
the year yet been of me now in Kansas City,
Mike McDaniel with the Chargers, Kubiak over there with the Raiders.
It's going to be a run the ball division, maybe
a little bit more than it has been previously.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
So even though it's a run the ball division, I
think that we're starting to move to that whole thirteen
personnel situation. You saw the immense amount of tight ends
that were taken in the draft this year. You're going
to see teams come out be big, but then spreads out.
So this gives you that flexibility to be able to
cover because these guys don't have to make one on
one tackles all the time. They just need to slow
these guys now so that the other linebackers and other
people can get there to get the guy on the ground.
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So I do think that it's a quality moved because
you get positional flexibility out there, you also get quicker
and you won't be able to be taking advantage of
on deep passes.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Well, here's the other part about it. When the Broncos
added passing game coordinator and former CU Buffs defensive coordinator
Robert Limiston to the coaching staff, The first thing I
thought was, well, he worked with safeties when he was
at the Cincinnati Bengals. He's going to come in and
he's going to try to elevate that room. That's his job, right,
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So being able to get more skilled guys on the field,
but guys who know exactly what they're doing, guys who
are tough, guys who are mentally and physically physical, that
is going to change the game plan. And it's interesting
that you bring up the Kansas City Chiefs and the
fact of.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
What they are going to want to do. Like in years.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Past, we've seen Patrick Mahomes run around fine Travis Kelce.
The offense is gonna change. Travis Kelce is not who
he once was four years ago. And Patrick Mahomes is
coming off an ACL injury, and I'm sure they're gonna
tell him, still do what you do, but try to
pull back on it, not run as much, because if
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you're continuing to run, that's going to expose you. But
now this means, though, you have to now lean on
your run game. And they got not one, but two
good running backs. One's a rookie out of Nebraska and
then there's Kenneth Walker, and you can say whatever you
want to say, Broncos country that, well, the Broncos defense
and every other defense is going to be prepared for that.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
We've seen Kenneth.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Walker and what he can do with those outside periminal runs.
And oh, by the way, e B is the OC.
And if you've watched any of the NFL old footage
of when Adrian Peterson was a rookie with the Minnesota Vikings,
go back and watch. How you know Eric B Enemy
spoke to him. He spoke to him like, look, we
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look at what agent Peterson is to this now, to
this point, and he's gonna go into the Ring of
Fame this year in Minnesota. I would like to say
that foundation was built by the pressure placed on by
Eric Benemy.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
You Sae me talks to people the way I talk
to people on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Well, well I would say that Eric B.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Enemy maybe he's a little I guess more abrasive, more abrasive, yes,
more abrasive, but he doesn't have to worry about someone
shooting him back over social media. Like like you get
when I say shooting, I.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Don't mean but banin Bain, nobody firearms off him the studio.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I'm just talking about people coming at you on social
media just trying to break you down.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Chris is seen a little bit of that before I
got I get a little lot of pocket.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Hey, it's all good, it's all good fun.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
As we look at this season, you know a lot
of people are talking about the Chiefs taking back the division,
mahomes if he's healthy, that kind of stuff. But you
and I have talked. I think the Chargers are a
bigger threat to the Broncos this year than perhaps the
Chiefs are. You know that the Chief's rosters get older.
I'm breaking microphones at the studios for talking. That's how.
That's how all over this point. I am how much
(09:27):
I mean this point, but I do. I mean I
look at the Chargers. I'm like, Okay, they got better
on the offensive line. They got healthier on the offensive line,
which was the Achilles Hill last year. My question for
them is the jesse Mentor question. You know, what does
that defense look like with a guy who's not called
the defense before? Outside of a year Western Michigan. The Raiders,
I don't think that this is going to be their year.
They look like they're heading the right races of they
going with the year. But Kansas's old man. I mean,
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Travis Kelsey, Christian, they're getting old, and they haven't really
never replaced Tyreek Hill. They've tried to do it in
the aggregate. I think the Chargers of the team that
you got to watch out for.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
You are absolutely right. But here's what the league is
telling us.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And we went through this whole thing with the schedule
release and the Broncos are now going on the road
to play against the Kansas City Chiefs. It's sort of
like repackaging something that was nostalgic and we're just going to,
you know, change your rapping, change a couple of colors
here and there. You add Eric being mean like I said,
(10:23):
And then now it's the new Sieves, right, Yeah, it's
you know how they have like there was coke and
then there was then there was a kind of.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Like new coke, right, and then they threw it back
to oh Coke, but new Coke.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
That's kind of what this situation looked like for me
when I look at the chancity the Chiefs. But you're
absolutely right. The team that the Broncos need to worry
about are the Charges.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, for sure. Now are we too close to this?
Chris like we're sitting here. You know this is the
hyper focused on the AFC West. You're you know this
is not your your you cover the league as a whole.
As we look at this AFC West are the char
I mean, we hear the hype every year, but are
people nationally buying the Chargers?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
So they should buy the Chargers because it's all been
injuries and we forget. They have a new OC who's
gonna come in and that run game is gonna look
completely different. It's gonna be a lot of outside zone,
it's gonna be a lot of affecting people on the edges,
and then Justin Herbert will be able to drive the
ball down the field. So they are the team that
I think in the AFC West the Broncos need to
look out for more than even the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I'm with it on that. I look at the offensive
line improvement, but then the biggest improvement might be Mike
mc greg roman to Mike mc dandy. With all due
respect to Greg Roman, who's gotten a lot out of
different guys over the years, Mike McDaniel, I think is
in a different stratosphere.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Hey man, I'm gonna say man to Bronco's countryman, don't
get it twisted like braids. Because Mike mcdane, I've worked
with him in San Francisco, it's gonna be a lot
of play action, take shots down the field. And as
a guy that played in the secondary and played against
Peyton Manning and they were one of the better teams
during that time with play action. If you have bad eyes,
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and we've heard Vance Joseph talk about it over the years,
if you have bad eyes, it is going to expose
you to explosive plays. And when we look at over
the past two years as Van Chose have led this defense,
they didn't give up too many shots down the field.
But Mike McDaniel is going to change things for them.
Like you have Keaton Mischeu over from Baltimore, who I
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think is a good young running back. He runs with
a lot of power, he catches the ball out of
the backfield, and you add that to a Mario and Hampton,
and then you think about the skilled players. I mean,
you have to defend every angle of the field. And
I know this is not Chargers Radio, but I'm just
telling you from a defensive standpoint, Broncos Country, this is
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what Mike McDaniel is going to bring to that offense,
and you may not feel as though, well, he doesn't
really change anything because the Chargers is gonna charge her
I'm just telling you because I watched some coach it
and I played in a similar scheme with Mike Shanahan
ran it and it gave defensive units problems.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
And another thing you need to be constant of is
Justin Herbert has become one of the most accurate deep
ball passes in the league, even more than Patrick Mahomes.
So if they're able to get that working, running and
off to a good start, you could be in for
a long season.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Folks.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, Quentin Johnson's got to learn to hang on the
ball a little bit better. But they got Trey Harris
up and coming there. You know, my love for a
ronde guest in the second and now they paired him
with a Djoku. Lad McCaughey can work the middle. I mean, like, look,
this isn't Chargers hype radio, like Nick said, But I
believe that they're the team to watch out for now,
just because they've imploded in the playoffs the last couple
of years and all that kind of stuff. You know,
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that's something else to get to a little bit later.
But during the season, man, it sets up for a
real nice Week eight team matchup with the Chargers coming
here to play the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
When you look at these schedules, Okay, the Broncos had
three more wins than the Chargers last season. The Broncos
were fourteen and three, Chargers were eleven and six, And
you got to think about it, that was their record
with the number of injuries that they had. So if
they are blessed to be healthy, they're going to challenge
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the Broncos. And just think about it. They had Trey
Lance as the quarterback and that score was kind of close,
so frighteningly so yes. So just I'm just trying to
prepare you Broncos country from a football standpoint, right, And
I know, I mean when you look at any team
say oh yeah, we're gonna steam roll that team because
you from fourteen and three, I'm just saying you just
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may want to pump your brakes and be prepared for
that Chargers.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Question for both of you, what's the biggest need for
the Broncos defense this year? Like the defense has to
do what in order to maintain the level of play
from last year.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Turnovers simply put, generate them.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Well, yes, you have to generate them, and if you
become a scorer in defense, I make it easier for
your offense.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
So I'm gonna stick with turnovers. Inside linebacker position has
to be consistent. That was one of the things that
I noticed last year. If you get that consistent play,
I think the defense works extremely well.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, I think, and I'm with you on both those things.
I mean, that was I think the biggest I don't
say disappointment for the fan base, but sort of like
I brow Raiser, they went after Devin Lloyd but got
priced out of that. In free agency, they really didn't
do that much in terms of the inside linebacker room
except later on. Now they brought in Red Murdoch. You know,
mister h enough, the greatest linebacker name of all time.
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There's got to be a daredevil tie in here somewhere.
But and then Tory and York, you know, undrafted out
out of A and M. So they brought in some bodies.
They brought in some hitters. You know, they brought in
some violence. Okay, that is the question to be or
not to be there Shakespeare. But I think you know
end of the day. That I think is the biggest
question because we know they need to generate turnovers, right
we know that, and then did they bring in enough
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to generate those turnovers or what is Vance Joseph going
to do because last year the well was a little
dry on the turnovers.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
It's called big nickel.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
That's the full circle moment. Here brings Jade and that's
getting this getting this turnovers. I mean, this scheme is
that's what it's it's designed to do. This is a
variant of what Wade used to run. Wade Phillips. I mean,
Vance Joseph is a Wade Phillips disciple, and you'd figure
you'd get more of that. But in the Broncos won
last year despite the fact that they were not generate.
They were getting sacks, but they weren't generating turnovers at
the level that you thought they should be generating.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Just just think about that.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
With what you just said, sacks sixty three, if they
add turnovers to that, they could end up being the
most dominating defense we've seen since the Baltimore Reeds.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I'm just saying, Chris, where do you put this defense
in the league. I mean you've got obviously Houston, you
know you've got some Seattle. You've got some great defenses
out there. Love what Michael McDonald's doing, and that's putting
a new blueprint on the league. Where do you put
this Broncos defense in the pantheon of league defenses?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I think the top five. The consistency.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
You have the best quarterback in the NFL playing out there,
so he's shutting down a half of the field. You
get after the quarterback. The turnover thing is an issue,
but guess what you can make that happen. I think
it's the top five defense in the NFL and they
should be able to continue that into twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
We got to hit a break.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Broncos Country tonight. We'll be back right after this. Welcome
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game Plan. You guys know we have Emry on here
all the time. You guys know about Football game Plan,
you know where to go to to get all the
good information there. Nick, we're talking a little bit during
the break about the agism and how I get disrespect
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in the studio because I'm getting old, and no, that's
not what we're talking about. But ages of be coaching though,
and how everybody wants that sexy young coach. You know
how it is. Everybody's trying to swipe the McVeigh blueprint,
I guess, but nobody's out there trying to swipe the
Bruce arians blueprint as it were. And he got he
was he sixty years old when he got his first job.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah, I think he was.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
But see, Bruce Arias is a different type of coach,
and he missed out on a lot of coaching jobs
early in his career because he was a little too
how shall I say, gruff rough around the edges or
better yet, he was very outspoken. He just told it
how my dad would say, t I is and for
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me as a player, I want to coach that that's
that way. Because some coaches said, well, I'm a leader
of men and I'm a hope players accountable, but they
don't really do it. And you know, all these owners
are looking for a championship, and I get that and
I totally understand it. But we're seeing a lot of
young coaches come into the league. Some of which you know,
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I don't think are ready for the moment at the time.
But the ownership, they're the ones in a hiring position
and they say, listen, we want a hot new coach
and yes, you mentioned it, Sean McVay. They look at
what Sean McVay was able to do and they have plucked,
plucked a lot of fruit off to Sean McVay tree,
a lot of fruit.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
It's interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
The Raiders, of course got younger with Kobe, but last
year they went old with with Pete Carroll. The Browns
went older with Todd Munkin this year. You know, the
Pete Carroll thing obviously didn't work out. Now, part of
that wouldn't Pete. Part of that was Chip, but part
of that was a little nepotism on beeach. Shouldn't hire
your son to be the old line coach. As we
look at that, I mean, are there are there older
coaches out there that should be higher in the pecking
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order than some of these guys like Michaelafloor.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Well, the reason I'm gonna say yes because I know
a lot of coaches who have been assistant coaches for
a long time, and they've been positional coaches on either
offensive defensive side of the ball. But they've never really
got their opportunity to be a coordinator, right or because
the coordinator leads to being a head coach. And there's
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a number of individuals, but they're overshadowed by some of
these younger coaches. Like I think about Barron Leftwich. Now,
he's kind of like right in the middle, and he's
had a lot of experience as a coordinator Super Bowl
with Tom Brady and who was the oldest quarterback I
think at the time, who won his Super Bowl with
the Tempa Bay Buccaneers. But Leftwich hasn't received an opportunity.
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But we are seeing some of the other guys who
are younger than Barron Leftwich, who they don't have a
robust resume like him.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
They get jobs. I'm like, Caul, someone explain how the
hell that happens. I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
So that's a great question as to how it happens.
And the unfortunate thing is the younger coaches who are
getting jobs, they're having instant success. We saw what just
happened in Seattle, right, we do have a coach that
got a job last year, and if they do well
in Dallas. We can see more guys in that you know,
fifty to sixty age range Schottenheimer. So I'm talking about
who can actually get these positions and get elevated instead
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of getting you know, the guy in the late thirties
and those types of gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Well, it's and it's funny you mentioned Dallas because I
think one of the up and comers that's going to
be hot in this next cycle is Clayton Adams. Guy
had a chance to get to know when he was
out here at Colorado, worked under Mike McIntyre. Clayton Adams
was kind of the reason that Arizona had limited success
that year before, the year before it all went wrong
for John Gannon. He goes to he goes to Dallas.
You saw what happened in Dallas last year with the
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you know, Javonte Williams having a career resurgence and all
that kind of stuff. So, you know, Clayt Adams, he's
forty five, that's not thirty years old, but that's that's
still on the younger side. But are there any guys
out there in that that forty five to fifty range
that haven't you know, are older that haven't really gotten
the opportunity that you'd love to see get a head coach. Try.
You mentioned left Wich that he's at quite there on
the age, but what are some other names out there?
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As you think that, You're like, all right, I'd love
to see this guy get his shot.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Finally, you know what, there's a guy who coached me
and he never got an opportunity, and he was arguably
the best special team coach that's ever coached the game.
And I mean that may be my opinion, but that
was Mike Westoff. Mike Westoff. Obviously he's not coaching now,
but I always felt as though he was overlooked. And
I'm thinking, like, we've seen two special teams coaches get jobs.
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Joe Judge when he was with the Patriots, he got
the Giants job. And another special teams coach who was
with the Philadelphia Eagles under Andy Reid, got a head
coaching job with the Baltimore Ravens, and gu's where he.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Is now New York Giants.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
So for me, I hope owners start to look at
some of those other support staff and give them an opportunity.
There's a guy who coached me here, I played with
him when we came out.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
We were roogies together.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Thomas McGahee, he's been coaching on a collegiate level and
on the pro level. He never really got a look.
So there's an overbundus of coaches that are coaching positions
that never really get that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well, there's a couple of hot special teams coaches names
out there. I mean, Bones Fossil's name has been floated
around for a while, Jim Fossil's kid. But the other
one is here in Denver, Darren Rizzy's fifty five years
older to the interim job in New Orleans. He's in
the accelerator program at fifty five years old for whatever reason.
Accelerated program. Yeah, an accelerator program. They don't have a
rocket ship big enough to get me on that list.
But I you know, as you look around at this,
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I mean, I think there is a different skill set
to being a special teams coach and having to deal
with guys from both sides the ball. There was Dave
Tobe was a hot name for a minute there, although
that never materialized. Are there any other names out there?
You guys can think of either one of these that
you could think of, though that pop out at you, like,
I'd really love to see this guy get a chance.
I mean my dream of and he's aged out at
this point, but my dream of Paul Johnson bringing the
triple option to the NFL has been dead for for
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a quite some time.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
That is a love affair that comes from the video
games that you're trying to work in wear real world.
No man, look, man, Ben has this idea that because
he's done this in video games, and he loves to
send the screenshots to me to let me know that
he could do it.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
But it's my favorite thing because you get so much
pissed off because his whole thing was that he wants
to try to win the game solely by running the
ball the entire time I throw, not throw one pass.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Now we seen, you know, Army do a Navy Air
Force do it. But yeah, I don't know. I believe
that you need the run game to have balance, but
you can't win an NFL game just running the ball
on every single play.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Impossible. So so missing me with the whole Paul Johnson thing.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
You know it's possible, but it's not plausible because you'd
have to set your roster up in a completely different
way from every other team. You'd have to have what
nine offensive well eleven offensive linemen because of the amount
of pressure that's gonna be put on them.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
You're gonna have three wide receivers. You're not gonna use
five or six.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Right, You're gonna have more running backs, and you'd also
have to have four quarterbacks because they would get destroyed.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, but that's the thing. You get a bunch of
quarterbacks like you could actually justin fields would suddenly be
a viable NFL quarterback. You can tarn tale I'm bringing
in these guys on medium to cheaper deals. Yeah, well,
having counter by be a little bit, but you get
the idea, right, I'm bringing in I'm bringing in a
bunch of option quarterbacks. You know, then we could ad
it's never gonna it's never gonna fly by. You also
think about this, nobody else would be facing your offense.
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I mean, how many teams are practicing against the option
every week? Well?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
See, that's when you dig back into college football and
you try to find some of those throwback coaches and say, okay,
well how often do you run against that same offense
and give us some details on how to prepare for
that well, because once again, you're right. When you have
a defense that doesn't practice against it a lot, then
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on maybe that first go round you beat them. But
after a while, guess what, we'll figure it out.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
You don't throw the ball.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
So the NFL did this. Do we all forget about
the Miami Dolphins. Yeah, oh it worked for a minute. Well, okay,
would you I was there when.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
They so David Lee, who brought to Miami. I was
there at Arkansas when him and Gus malls out. He
used to not roll it out with mcfah and Felix
Jones and Peyton Hillis and but it was weird how
that thing, the wildcat worked for a minute and then
it just disappeared though.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Because everyone adjusted because it wasn't true. It wasn't a
true down here running game. It was let's call it
what it is and what it was rather, it's a.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Jet sweep option.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
So it was a gibbet.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
You can't win in the NFL consistently if your offense
is just gidgets and gadgets. I mean, you don't get
a couple of people every now and again. But we
will adjust it. There's one kind of gidget gadget play
that the league's trying to get it get away from us,
that no one has figured out how to start push.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, I mean, look, and I'm not I'm not a
fan of bandon plays. I hate that if you got
to ban something banded the concept like pushing a pull
in the run or whatever, I hate and plays that
you can't stop it. Let's bring them the play. That's stupid,
I guess, not football. So you don't solve it, solve
the problem. But yeah, I mean, as far as that goes,
my dream of the triple option in the NFL is dead.
It's just nobody's ever got to be bold enough to
try to to try to do that. And if they do,
I mean, you know, you still have to have somebody
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that can throw the ball because.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yes, you know, you know why you have to do that.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Then you know, if they call it back them safeties off, No, no, no,
it's called well right.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, let's just say back them safeties. And you need
two speisters on the outside and you could you know
that are also willing to block. So you got to
find that, you know, and good luck with that, because
you're gonna get tyree killed the block. Come on now,
But it's I mean, you know you need you need
that on the outside. You got to be able to
bait them down, try to get the one on one
to get them anyway, my dream of that is dead.
I'll still do it videowayself.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
That if you were a college head coach, that would
be best serve there.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
But you won't get away with it in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Fair enough, all right, from wading into it to waddling
out of it to Denver. Broncos brought in Jayalen Wattle
this offseason. That was the big addition, the big piece.
How is that viewed nationally? That Jalen Wattle edition but
number Broncos.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Some may say that it was a bit of an
overpaid but I don't think that makes any sense. You
went after a guy that is going to change the
dynamic of the offense. It is going to give Bo Nickson, now,
a guy who operates pretty well in the intermediate portion
of the field. You get the ball in his hands,
he's out the gate. And the Broncos were viewed as
this run centric team that had some explosiveness. Now you
have to actually pay attention to that explosive nature that
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they're going to have out there. I think that it's
going to be a great addition for them, especially when
you get into the postseason, because of what he's going
to be able to offer in that environment when you're
trying to run the ball more the next point, play
action action, you could take advantage of it with a
guy like Waddle. I think this is a great addition
on a personal level. But yeah, some people do think
it's an overbay on paper.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Where does this Broncos roster stack up with other teams
around the league. Because we've had this debate, NIKKOA I
had this debate. We both think this is, I mean,
on paper, a top five roster.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
And I would tend to agree. One of the things
that they also did is they leveraged the things that
make sense for them. They have I think they have
thirty five tight ends on the roster at this point,
so they went after what they wanted to do. They
filled in the spaces that makes sense for a Sean
Payton team. And to your point, I don't think they
have a true weakness on their roster at any point, even
if the interior linebacker was at some points last year,
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they did do things to fill it out with some
younger guys, and I think they're a pretty complete roster.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
See, I'm looking for this team to be more explosive.
And if you can threaten a defense vertically, even if
you never throw the damn ball to Jay Louado, that's
a bonus for your run game. And that is a
bonus for everything that is thrown five to eight yards,
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because now we're talking about catch and run jackyards, right,
that's another area that the Broncos definitely need to improve
as far as the yackyards were concerned, because we saw
receivers catch the ball, but they were immediately tackled, correct, right,
So to me, that adds another wrinkle to the offense
that they didn't have and would make it tougher for
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them to actually for opposing defense to face. Because remember
what's going to happen with this Bronco schedule. From week
I think two to week six, they got a gambit
of games and in there you got San Francisco, you
got the Rams and oh, by the way, you have
Mike McDonald and the Seattle Seahawks. You have to be explosive,
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you have to do something to change things up because
if you don't, man life for boat Knicks be tough
fellas well.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
There's three plays in the NFL right now, there's staples
in almost every offense, and the Broncos did not really
succeed at those plays. They barely ran shallow cross that
put some ball in receivers hands, let him catch with momentum,
the deep over the play action, the deep crosser. Right,
we didn't see much of that out of Denver last year.
Wattle gives you the element on that. And then slot fade. Now,
slot fade is not something that we ran that much,
but we added enough tight ends and big bodies that
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you'd think you could be able to run that.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Dude.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
This past weekend, I went to the Broncos a hold
in these kind of like high school spring football games,
and I went out there to on my face and
I was with my son and there was a lot
of the teams are running a lot of slot fades.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
My son was like, well, why they can't stop that route.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I was like, dude, you know how hard it is
to stop that route because you have inside leverage. The
only way you can stop that is if the corner
outside falls off right and picks up at that corner route.
Other than that, man, you and trouble, you better call
for God, mom and someone else, because that's gonna be
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exposed to play.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
I feel like the Broncos. Didn't they win a game
against the Chiefs with a slot fade? Was it too Franklin?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I have to go back and look, you probably, but.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I think so they beat Buffalo that way. H yeah
one to Marvin Minims. Yeah yeah, but I mean like
that we were watching the other day. We're talking about
Lebron back in high school, right, what he would have
been because he was a you know, six eight two
fifty receiver or whatever. I'm like, bro, if you get
me Lebron, I'm running slot fade every there's nobody, nobody's doun.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
There's my favorite thing to throw. It was free money.
If you had a tall receiver, you know, it was
free money.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
That that route is very difficult to stop. And I
can easily see the Broncos with Wadle now on the roster,
maybe putting Qwotland seventy because sudden line have been slotted
a lot, right That That to me, those fifty to
fifty balls where he's got to you know, jump up
and he's got to take the ball away to me,
that's where he excelled. We didn't see a lot of
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those passes last season. Hell, we didn't even see a
lot of backshow to face him.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
No, that was you know, that was the Russ Arrow.
We certainly saw a lot of that stuff. And we
didn't see a lot of that with Bo. We haven't
seen a lot of that with bow And yet. Now
I'd love to see what you said, you start sutting
on the outside, motioning me in and then let him
go up on the pogo stick on the fade and
go get it. I'm all for that. What other things?
I mean? With Davis Webb running the offense this year,
he's got a background of the air Raid. We talked
about why stick, you know, why cross? Things like that
that that the air Raid runs that we haven't really
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run we'd like to see more of. Is there anything
you would like to see the Broncos run more of
this year?
Speaker 4 (31:56):
That's a great question. Just get the ball and play
maker's hands. To be honest, you have Giling Wattle on
the team now, smoke screen. It sounds simple, but it's
also something that will make the defense have to come
up and then you can threaten them vertically more often
that's a piece that I don't think enough teams utilize
to really make a defense feel like they need to squeeze.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
For me, it's levels routes, whether.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
You too left, right, right to left, or even levels
down the middle of the field. Because there's this kind
of idea and we can get into it probably later
on in the week about you know, passes down the
middle of the field and quarterbacks getting.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Criticized for that.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I have my different take on that, but I would
like to see the Broncos add more levels because whether
you're playing cover two, cover one, four to three doesn't
make a difference. It's going to put stress on either
your outside defender or your hook de curl defender.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
So I would like to see them do that a
lot more for me, and I'm with that. I love
to see that in more offenses period. My only concern
with that is bo gets rid of the balls of
darn quick then I don't know, You've got Stu time
for stuff like that to develop, Like you've got to
slow him down to let that develop because right now,
for me, if you're looking at Bow, the ideal offense
for him is a bunch of mesh triangle read put
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it in the right stuff and then have him get
because he just gets rid of it so fast.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
You know how you slow bow down, make him slow down.
You put him under center because his footwork has to
go with the timing of the route down the hill.
But because he's in the shotgun so often, it is
a catch and throw type situation. So before and we
saw a last of for Kansas City before Carling Someton
was able to make his.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Break on the twelve yard dig, Bow was already really
let it go.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, and that wasn't there And that's been a problem though,
So they got they got to figure it out in time.
That's a centius footward, right, That's that's a good point.
We got about a minute left here, Chris. Where can
people find your your work? Obviously football game plan, but
where can they find you on the socials and all
that kind of stuff?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Sure so on X my handles at CJ Florida nine.
That's at CJ, the entire state of Florida spelled out
in the number nine. I also do a podcast I
do four weeks called Chopping it Up with CJ. I
go through the full game oft of football, whether it's
on the fantasy side for people who like that, go
through each of the games. And right now I'm doing
and completing my draft grades, so I'll be doing AFC
West pretty soon. Hopefully I don't give you all two
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bad grade.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
We will have to call you in and it appraise
you for your evaluation, or Shane you one of the two.
I don't know, It just depends. Broncos obviously didn't have
a first and a third, so it's gonna be a
little bit difficult to get them the higher grades as
far as that kind of stuff goes, But we appreciate it.
I appreciate you coming along and jumping in here today
and helping me and Nick out. Appreciate you guys being
along for the ride on another short show post Rockies edition,
Broncos Country Tonight back tomorrow night. As usual for Dick Ferguson,
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Christians Management Albright say in good night,
Welcome to it.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Broncos Country Tonight. Benjamin all Right. Nick ferguson Short show
post Rockies edition. Hope y'all are doing well, joined in studio.
I'm a buddy, Chris, Chris, how you doing, buddy, do.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Pretty well on this side?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
How much something doing? All Right? It has been You've
been here in Denver all weekend has been interesting. Wee
could for you, Chris, for those of you who don't know,
works at the football game plan with our good buddy
Emry Hunts and so you know, figured we have you
on today, get a little chance to talk about the
Denver Broncos waiting. An outsider thinks of the Denver Broncos
in this offseason has looked like Nick, you said, you've
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got some stuff. You got to get a potential new
twist on this defense.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, it's something that someone within a division has done,
and they've done they've done well, and that is Jesse
Mentor and what he was able to do with Durham James.
And I'm thinking that maybe the Broncos could use a
little of that, especially known as though I guess the
depth or the level of production of the linebacker position
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has been in a question and the Broncos didn't go
out and get you know, maybe another better whide receive.
Not whyde receiver linebacker to add to the room. So
I thought about the idea of Johnny barn being the
Broncos big nickel. Okay, s of the way Will Parks
used to used to do what he was in safety here. Well, yeah,
and the extra part of having a big nickel is
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that you get an extra dB on the field, so
it helps from a cover standpoint. And I'm not just
saying this just about any dB, but looking at what
Johnny Baron was able to do last year, even as
a young player, he showed that he was light years
in advanced than what this first year actually called for.
And with him being in the second year in his defense,
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I mean, I guess there's so many things that the
Broncos can actually do and no advance Joseph Man, he
likes to blitz his guys on the second level. Who
better to have do that than a guy likes Joddy Barron.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I'm with it, Yeah, I mean, he needs to get
more reps and get out there anyway. I mean, he
just got kind of caught in the log jam. You're
not taking reps from certain and of course you know
Riley lost the other way and then you got j
Jquy McMillan in the slot, who you know, really showed
himself last year. So yeah, I mean, if you're gonna
get uh, if you're gonna get him in there, then
you're making him with the dimeback or the heavy nickel,
you know, rotating him around that kind of stuff. Will
Parks used to have that role in Advanced Joseph's defense,
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so it's not like he didn't have experience with that.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Well, you know what, That's the way that the NFL
is trending now where we're seeing h so many different
positions that that's changing or same positions different titles. I believe,
like uh, tight ends that have wide receiver bodies, you
call them what or was the heavy slot heavy slot,
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So if you have a heavy slot, might not have
a heavy dime or someone something like that. Now, usually
when we talk about you know, DB's in the sub
package is stars that's a nickel and then now we
get a dime. But you know, having a big nickel, right,
someone that can go in and not necessarily because of
their weight and their height, but just the fact of
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the skills set itself. We called it big nickel. That
gives you opportunity to cover these tight ends, these heavy slots.
But also a guy like I said that can actually
blitz understand the run scheme. But also when teams go
into tight end sets, then you get an extra defender
on the field. We see a lot of colleges now
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using that same type of defense in college to get
more athletic. Now, an officer coordinator will look at it and say, well, well,
you put a smaller dB on the field. Well guess
what we're gonna get on a heavy package and we're
gonna run against it. But as a guy who played
a similar position in myself, I'm not a very large man.
But it goes back to teaching that dB the run
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fits and even though you think a bigger body would
be able to swallow up a smaller body. But guess what,
I'm fascinating you dude, So I get to the point
of attack before you. So I think this is excellent
opportunity and hopefully the Bronx goes utilize this, because like
you said, there's a not not enough reps for Johnny
Barron known as though you have Roley Moss and you
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have PS two. But this is a way to get
him on a field.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah, I think so. And then the other side of
this is, you know, as teams are going more twelve
th and thirteen personnel, if you've got dbs that are
willing to get a nose in there and are able
to you know, able to do run fits, able to
get in there and hit, you go. It's not the
size of the dog in the fight. It says the
you know, size the fight and the dog. We saw
that with Bryce Callahan. Bryce Callahan's my size and I
think we all know my story from high school. We're
Cedric Can. They put me out there on defense for
one place Cedric College looked at me and was like,
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I'm going through that guy. Didn't put a move on
me with eighty yards house on you know, right through me.
You gotta be able to you gotta be able to,
gotta want it right. I got that offensive mentality. I
didn't want to get hit. I want to get away
from you. I didn't want to stick anybody. But you know,
Johnny Barron, guys like Bryce Callahan back then, guys that
we saw Callahan take on Derreck Henry No fear yea,
and I would have I don't need new pants on
that one.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Well, we'll see see it all the pants now. Now,
you don't want to put a chiuaha in a fight
with the rot rottin. You don't want to do that.
So if you tell me that you has that mindset,
like he's a great day, you can do it.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
So that that's what it goes back to.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
You have to have a player who not only has
the skill set, but has the mentality. You can try
to force a guy into that position. But if he
doesn't have that, I'm a doll and I want to eat.
I don't care who you put in front of me.
They don't have that mentality, that guy could get run over.
But I believe Joddy Barron has that attitude. Hell, there's
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a lot of guys on in the Broncos secondary have
that mentality.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Jikwan McMillan. That's another guy if you if you wanted to.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
But this is just another way to get more skilled
players that have that same attitude on the field.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
At the same time, do you think Chris that the
Broncos needed to do You look across this division and
THEFC West is going to run the ball more of
the year yet been of me now in Kansas City,
Mike McDaniel with the Chargers, Kubiak over there with the Raiders.
It's going to be a run the ball division, maybe
a little bit more than it has been previously.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
So even though it's a run the ball division, I
think that we're starting to move to that whole thirteen
personnel situation. You saw the immense amount of tight ends
that were taken in the draft this year. You're going
to see teams come out be big, but then spreads out.
So this gives you that flexibility to be able to
cover because these guys don't have to make one on
one tackles all the time. They just need to slow
these guys now so that the other linebackers and other
people can get there to get the guy on the ground.
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So I do think that it's a quality moved because
you get positional flexibility out there, you also get quicker
and you won't be able to be taking advantage of
on deep passes.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Well, here's the other part about it. When the Broncos
added passing game coordinator and former CU Buffs defensive coordinator
Robert Limiston to the coaching staff, The first thing I
thought was, well, he worked with safeties when he was
at the Cincinnati Bengals. He's going to come in and
he's going to try to elevate that room. That's his job, right,
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So being able to get more skilled guys on the field,
but guys who know exactly what they're doing, guys who
are tough, guys who are mentally and physically physical, that
is going to change the game plan. And it's interesting
that you bring up the Kansas City Chiefs and the
fact of.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
What they are going to want to do. Like in years.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Past, we've seen Patrick Mahomes run around fine Travis Kelce.
The offense is gonna change. Travis Kelce is not who
he once was four years ago. And Patrick Mahomes is
coming off an ACL injury, and I'm sure they're gonna
tell him, still do what you do, but try to
pull back on it, not run as much, because if
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you're continuing to run, that's going to expose you. But
now this means, though, you have to now lean on
your run game. And they got not one, but two
good running backs. One's a rookie out of Nebraska and
then there's Kenneth Walker, and you can say whatever you
want to say, Broncos country that, well, the Broncos defense
and every other defense is going to be prepared for that.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
We've seen Kenneth.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Walker and what he can do with those outside periminal runs.
And oh, by the way, e B is the OC.
And if you've watched any of the NFL old footage
of when Adrian Peterson was a rookie with the Minnesota Vikings,
go back and watch. How you know Eric B Enemy
spoke to him. He spoke to him like, look, we
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look at what agent Peterson is to this now, to
this point, and he's gonna go into the Ring of
Fame this year in Minnesota. I would like to say
that foundation was built by the pressure placed on by
Eric Benemy.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
You Sae me talks to people the way I talk
to people on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Well, well I would say that Eric B.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Enemy maybe he's a little I guess more abrasive, more abrasive, yes,
more abrasive, but he doesn't have to worry about someone
shooting him back over social media. Like like you get
when I say shooting, I.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Don't mean but banin Bain, nobody firearms off him the studio.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I'm just talking about people coming at you on social
media just trying to break you down.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Chris is seen a little bit of that before I
got I get a little lot of pocket.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Hey, it's all good, it's all good fun.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
As we look at this season, you know a lot
of people are talking about the Chiefs taking back the division,
mahomes if he's healthy, that kind of stuff. But you
and I have talked. I think the Chargers are a
bigger threat to the Broncos this year than perhaps the
Chiefs are. You know that the Chief's rosters get older.
I'm breaking microphones at the studios for talking. That's how.
That's how all over this point. I am how much
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I mean this point, but I do. I mean I
look at the Chargers. I'm like, Okay, they got better
on the offensive line. They got healthier on the offensive line,
which was the Achilles Hill last year. My question for
them is the jesse Mentor question. You know, what does
that defense look like with a guy who's not called
the defense before? Outside of a year Western Michigan. The Raiders,
I don't think that this is going to be their year.
They look like they're heading the right races of they
going with the year. But Kansas's old man. I mean,
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Travis Kelsey, Christian, they're getting old, and they haven't really
never replaced Tyreek Hill. They've tried to do it in
the aggregate. I think the Chargers of the team that
you got to watch out for.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
You are absolutely right. But here's what the league is
telling us.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And we went through this whole thing with the schedule
release and the Broncos are now going on the road
to play against the Kansas City Chiefs. It's sort of
like repackaging something that was nostalgic and we're just going to,
you know, change your rapping, change a couple of colors
here and there. You add Eric being mean like I said,
(10:23):
And then now it's the new Sieves, right, Yeah, it's
you know how they have like there was coke and
then there was then there was a kind of.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Like new coke, right, and then they threw it back
to oh Coke, but new Coke.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
That's kind of what this situation looked like for me
when I look at the chancity the Chiefs. But you're
absolutely right. The team that the Broncos need to worry
about are the Charges.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, for sure. Now are we too close to this?
Chris like we're sitting here. You know this is the
hyper focused on the AFC West. You're you know this
is not your your you cover the league as a whole.
As we look at this AFC West are the char
I mean, we hear the hype every year, but are
people nationally buying the Chargers?
Speaker 4 (11:02):
So they should buy the Chargers because it's all been
injuries and we forget. They have a new OC who's
gonna come in and that run game is gonna look
completely different. It's gonna be a lot of outside zone,
it's gonna be a lot of affecting people on the edges,
and then Justin Herbert will be able to drive the
ball down the field. So they are the team that
I think in the AFC West the Broncos need to
look out for more than even the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I'm with it on that. I look at the offensive
line improvement, but then the biggest improvement might be Mike
mc greg roman to Mike mc dandy. With all due
respect to Greg Roman, who's gotten a lot out of
different guys over the years, Mike McDaniel, I think is
in a different stratosphere.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Hey man, I'm gonna say man to Bronco's countryman, don't
get it twisted like braids. Because Mike mcdane, I've worked
with him in San Francisco, it's gonna be a lot
of play action, take shots down the field. And as
a guy that played in the secondary and played against
Peyton Manning and they were one of the better teams
during that time with play action. If you have bad eyes,
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and we've heard Vance Joseph talk about it over the years,
if you have bad eyes, it is going to expose
you to explosive plays. And when we look at over
the past two years as Van Chose have led this defense,
they didn't give up too many shots down the field.
But Mike McDaniel is going to change things for them.
Like you have Keaton Mischeu over from Baltimore, who I
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think is a good young running back. He runs with
a lot of power, he catches the ball out of
the backfield, and you add that to a Mario and Hampton,
and then you think about the skilled players. I mean,
you have to defend every angle of the field. And
I know this is not Chargers Radio, but I'm just
telling you from a defensive standpoint, Broncos Country, this is
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what Mike McDaniel is going to bring to that offense,
and you may not feel as though, well, he doesn't
really change anything because the Chargers is gonna charge her
I'm just telling you because I watched some coach it
and I played in a similar scheme with Mike Shanahan
ran it and it gave defensive units problems.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
And another thing you need to be constant of is
Justin Herbert has become one of the most accurate deep
ball passes in the league, even more than Patrick Mahomes.
So if they're able to get that working, running and
off to a good start, you could be in for
a long season.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Folks.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, Quentin Johnson's got to learn to hang on the
ball a little bit better. But they got Trey Harris
up and coming there. You know, my love for a
ronde guest in the second and now they paired him
with a Djoku. Lad McCaughey can work the middle. I mean, like, look,
this isn't Chargers hype radio, like Nick said, But I
believe that they're the team to watch out for now,
just because they've imploded in the playoffs the last couple
of years and all that kind of stuff. You know,
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that's something else to get to a little bit later.
But during the season, man, it sets up for a
real nice Week eight team matchup with the Chargers coming
here to play the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
When you look at these schedules, Okay, the Broncos had
three more wins than the Chargers last season. The Broncos
were fourteen and three, Chargers were eleven and six, And
you got to think about it, that was their record
with the number of injuries that they had. So if
they are blessed to be healthy, they're going to challenge
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the Broncos. And just think about it. They had Trey
Lance as the quarterback and that score was kind of close,
so frighteningly so yes. So just I'm just trying to
prepare you Broncos country from a football standpoint, right, And
I know, I mean when you look at any team
say oh yeah, we're gonna steam roll that team because
you from fourteen and three, I'm just saying you just
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may want to pump your brakes and be prepared for
that Chargers.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Question for both of you, what's the biggest need for
the Broncos defense this year? Like the defense has to
do what in order to maintain the level of play
from last year.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Turnovers simply put, generate them.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Well, yes, you have to generate them, and if you
become a scorer in defense, I make it easier for
your offense.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
So I'm gonna stick with turnovers. Inside linebacker position has
to be consistent. That was one of the things that
I noticed last year. If you get that consistent play,
I think the defense works extremely well.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, I think, and I'm with you on both those things.
I mean, that was I think the biggest I don't
say disappointment for the fan base, but sort of like
I brow Raiser, they went after Devin Lloyd but got
priced out of that. In free agency, they really didn't
do that much in terms of the inside linebacker room
except later on. Now they brought in Red Murdoch. You know,
mister h enough, the greatest linebacker name of all time.
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There's got to be a daredevil tie in here somewhere.
But and then Tory and York, you know, undrafted out
out of A and M. So they brought in some bodies.
They brought in some hitters. You know, they brought in
some violence. Okay, that is the question to be or
not to be there Shakespeare. But I think you know
end of the day. That I think is the biggest
question because we know they need to generate turnovers, right
we know that, and then did they bring in enough
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to generate those turnovers or what is Vance Joseph going
to do because last year the well was a little
dry on the turnovers.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
It's called big nickel.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
That's the full circle moment. Here brings Jade and that's
getting this getting this turnovers. I mean, this scheme is
that's what it's it's designed to do. This is a
variant of what Wade used to run. Wade Phillips. I mean,
Vance Joseph is a Wade Phillips disciple, and you'd figure
you'd get more of that. But in the Broncos won
last year despite the fact that they were not generate.
They were getting sacks, but they weren't generating turnovers at
the level that you thought they should be generating.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Just just think about that.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
With what you just said, sacks sixty three, if they
add turnovers to that, they could end up being the
most dominating defense we've seen since the Baltimore Reeds.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I'm just saying, Chris, where do you put this defense
in the league. I mean you've got obviously Houston, you
know you've got some Seattle. You've got some great defenses
out there. Love what Michael McDonald's doing, and that's putting
a new blueprint on the league. Where do you put
this Broncos defense in the pantheon of league defenses?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I think the top five. The consistency.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
You have the best quarterback in the NFL playing out there,
so he's shutting down a half of the field. You
get after the quarterback. The turnover thing is an issue,
but guess what you can make that happen. I think
it's the top five defense in the NFL and they
should be able to continue that into twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
We got to hit a break.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Broncos Country tonight. We'll be back right after this. Welcome
back to it, Broncos Country Tonight. Benjamin ol Brian mc
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game Plan. You guys know we have Emry on here
all the time. You guys know about Football game Plan,
you know where to go to to get all the
good information there. Nick, we're talking a little bit during
the break about the agism and how I get disrespect
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in the studio because I'm getting old, and no, that's
not what we're talking about. But ages of be coaching though,
and how everybody wants that sexy young coach. You know
how it is. Everybody's trying to swipe the McVeigh blueprint,
I guess, but nobody's out there trying to swipe the
Bruce arians blueprint as it were. And he got he
was he sixty years old when he got his first job.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah, I think he was.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
But see, Bruce Arias is a different type of coach,
and he missed out on a lot of coaching jobs
early in his career because he was a little too
how shall I say, gruff rough around the edges or
better yet, he was very outspoken. He just told it
how my dad would say, t I is and for
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me as a player, I want to coach that that's
that way. Because some coaches said, well, I'm a leader
of men and I'm a hope players accountable, but they
don't really do it. And you know, all these owners
are looking for a championship, and I get that and
I totally understand it. But we're seeing a lot of
young coaches come into the league. Some of which you know,
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I don't think are ready for the moment at the time.
But the ownership, they're the ones in a hiring position
and they say, listen, we want a hot new coach
and yes, you mentioned it, Sean McVay. They look at
what Sean McVay was able to do and they have plucked,
plucked a lot of fruit off to Sean McVay tree,
a lot of fruit.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
It's interesting.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
The Raiders, of course got younger with Kobe, but last
year they went old with with Pete Carroll. The Browns
went older with Todd Munkin this year. You know, the
Pete Carroll thing obviously didn't work out. Now, part of
that wouldn't Pete. Part of that was Chip, but part
of that was a little nepotism on beeach. Shouldn't hire
your son to be the old line coach. As we
look at that, I mean, are there are there older
coaches out there that should be higher in the pecking
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order than some of these guys like Michaelafloor.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Well, the reason I'm gonna say yes because I know
a lot of coaches who have been assistant coaches for
a long time, and they've been positional coaches on either
offensive defensive side of the ball. But they've never really
got their opportunity to be a coordinator, right or because
the coordinator leads to being a head coach. And there's
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a number of individuals, but they're overshadowed by some of
these younger coaches. Like I think about Barron Leftwich. Now,
he's kind of like right in the middle, and he's
had a lot of experience as a coordinator Super Bowl
with Tom Brady and who was the oldest quarterback I
think at the time, who won his Super Bowl with
the Tempa Bay Buccaneers. But Leftwich hasn't received an opportunity.
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But we are seeing some of the other guys who
are younger than Barron Leftwich, who they don't have a
robust resume like him.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
They get jobs. I'm like, Caul, someone explain how the
hell that happens. I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
So that's a great question as to how it happens.
And the unfortunate thing is the younger coaches who are
getting jobs, they're having instant success. We saw what just
happened in Seattle, right, we do have a coach that
got a job last year, and if they do well
in Dallas. We can see more guys in that you know,
fifty to sixty age range Schottenheimer. So I'm talking about
who can actually get these positions and get elevated instead
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of getting you know, the guy in the late thirties
and those types of gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Well, it's and it's funny you mentioned Dallas because I
think one of the up and comers that's going to
be hot in this next cycle is Clayton Adams. Guy
had a chance to get to know when he was
out here at Colorado, worked under Mike McIntyre. Clayton Adams
was kind of the reason that Arizona had limited success
that year before, the year before it all went wrong
for John Gannon. He goes to he goes to Dallas.
You saw what happened in Dallas last year with the
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you know, Javonte Williams having a career resurgence and all
that kind of stuff. So, you know, Clayt Adams, he's
forty five, that's not thirty years old, but that's that's
still on the younger side. But are there any guys
out there in that that forty five to fifty range
that haven't you know, are older that haven't really gotten
the opportunity that you'd love to see get a head coach. Try.
You mentioned left Wich that he's at quite there on
the age, but what are some other names out there?
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As you think that, You're like, all right, I'd love
to see this guy get his shot.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Finally, you know what, there's a guy who coached me
and he never got an opportunity, and he was arguably
the best special team coach that's ever coached the game.
And I mean that may be my opinion, but that
was Mike Westoff. Mike Westoff. Obviously he's not coaching now,
but I always felt as though he was overlooked. And
I'm thinking, like, we've seen two special teams coaches get jobs.
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Joe Judge when he was with the Patriots, he got
the Giants job. And another special teams coach who was
with the Philadelphia Eagles under Andy Reid, got a head
coaching job with the Baltimore Ravens, and gu's where he.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Is now New York Giants.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
So for me, I hope owners start to look at
some of those other support staff and give them an opportunity.
There's a guy who coached me here, I played with
him when we came out.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
We were roogies together.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Thomas McGahee, he's been coaching on a collegiate level and
on the pro level. He never really got a look.
So there's an overbundus of coaches that are coaching positions
that never really get that opportunity.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Well, there's a couple of hot special teams coaches names
out there. I mean, Bones Fossil's name has been floated
around for a while, Jim Fossil's kid. But the other
one is here in Denver, Darren Rizzy's fifty five years
older to the interim job in New Orleans. He's in
the accelerator program at fifty five years old for whatever reason.
Accelerated program. Yeah, an accelerator program. They don't have a
rocket ship big enough to get me on that list.
But I you know, as you look around at this,
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I mean, I think there is a different skill set
to being a special teams coach and having to deal
with guys from both sides the ball. There was Dave
Tobe was a hot name for a minute there, although
that never materialized. Are there any other names out there?
You guys can think of either one of these that
you could think of, though that pop out at you, like,
I'd really love to see this guy get a chance.
I mean my dream of and he's aged out at
this point, but my dream of Paul Johnson bringing the
triple option to the NFL has been dead for for
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a quite some time.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
That is a love affair that comes from the video
games that you're trying to work in wear real world.
No man, look, man, Ben has this idea that because
he's done this in video games, and he loves to
send the screenshots to me to let me know that
he could do it.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
But it's my favorite thing because you get so much
pissed off because his whole thing was that he wants
to try to win the game solely by running the
ball the entire time I throw, not throw one pass.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Now we seen, you know, Army do a Navy Air
Force do it. But yeah, I don't know. I believe
that you need the run game to have balance, but
you can't win an NFL game just running the ball
on every single play.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Impossible. So so missing me with the whole Paul Johnson thing.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
You know it's possible, but it's not plausible because you'd
have to set your roster up in a completely different
way from every other team. You'd have to have what
nine offensive well eleven offensive linemen because of the amount
of pressure that's gonna be put on them.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
You're gonna have three wide receivers. You're not gonna use
five or six.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Right, You're gonna have more running backs, and you'd also
have to have four quarterbacks because they would get destroyed.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, but that's the thing. You get a bunch of
quarterbacks like you could actually justin fields would suddenly be
a viable NFL quarterback. You can tarn tale I'm bringing
in these guys on medium to cheaper deals. Yeah, well,
having counter by be a little bit, but you get
the idea, right, I'm bringing in I'm bringing in a
bunch of option quarterbacks. You know, then we could ad
it's never gonna it's never gonna fly by. You also
think about this, nobody else would be facing your offense.
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I mean, how many teams are practicing against the option
every week? Well?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
See, that's when you dig back into college football and
you try to find some of those throwback coaches and say, okay,
well how often do you run against that same offense
and give us some details on how to prepare for
that well, because once again, you're right. When you have
a defense that doesn't practice against it a lot, then
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on maybe that first go round you beat them. But
after a while, guess what, we'll figure it out.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
You don't throw the ball.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
So the NFL did this. Do we all forget about
the Miami Dolphins. Yeah, oh it worked for a minute. Well, okay,
would you I was there when.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
They so David Lee, who brought to Miami. I was
there at Arkansas when him and Gus malls out. He
used to not roll it out with mcfah and Felix
Jones and Peyton Hillis and but it was weird how
that thing, the wildcat worked for a minute and then
it just disappeared though.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Because everyone adjusted because it wasn't true. It wasn't a
true down here running game. It was let's call it
what it is and what it was rather, it's a.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Jet sweep option.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
So it was a gibbet.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
You can't win in the NFL consistently if your offense
is just gidgets and gadgets. I mean, you don't get
a couple of people every now and again. But we
will adjust it. There's one kind of gidget gadget play
that the league's trying to get it get away from us,
that no one has figured out how to start push.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, I mean, look, and I'm not I'm not a
fan of bandon plays. I hate that if you got
to ban something banded the concept like pushing a pull
in the run or whatever, I hate and plays that
you can't stop it. Let's bring them the play. That's stupid,
I guess, not football. So you don't solve it, solve
the problem. But yeah, I mean, as far as that goes,
my dream of the triple option in the NFL is dead.
It's just nobody's ever got to be bold enough to
try to to try to do that. And if they do,
I mean, you know, you still have to have somebody
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that can throw the ball because.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yes, you know, you know why you have to do that.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Then you know, if they call it back them safeties off, No, no, no,
it's called well right.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, let's just say back them safeties. And you need
two speisters on the outside and you could you know
that are also willing to block. So you got to
find that, you know, and good luck with that, because
you're gonna get tyree killed the block. Come on now,
But it's I mean, you know you need you need
that on the outside. You got to be able to
bait them down, try to get the one on one
to get them anyway, my dream of that is dead.
I'll still do it videowayself.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
That if you were a college head coach, that would
be best serve there.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
But you won't get away with it in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Fair enough, all right, from wading into it to waddling
out of it to Denver. Broncos brought in Jayalen Wattle
this offseason. That was the big addition, the big piece.
How is that viewed nationally? That Jalen Wattle edition but
number Broncos.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Some may say that it was a bit of an
overpaid but I don't think that makes any sense. You
went after a guy that is going to change the
dynamic of the offense. It is going to give Bo Nickson, now,
a guy who operates pretty well in the intermediate portion
of the field. You get the ball in his hands,
he's out the gate. And the Broncos were viewed as
this run centric team that had some explosiveness. Now you
have to actually pay attention to that explosive nature that
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they're going to have out there. I think that it's
going to be a great addition for them, especially when
you get into the postseason, because of what he's going
to be able to offer in that environment when you're
trying to run the ball more the next point, play
action action, you could take advantage of it with a
guy like Waddle. I think this is a great addition
on a personal level. But yeah, some people do think
it's an overbay on paper.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Where does this Broncos roster stack up with other teams
around the league. Because we've had this debate, NIKKOA I
had this debate. We both think this is, I mean,
on paper, a top five roster.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
And I would tend to agree. One of the things
that they also did is they leveraged the things that
make sense for them. They have I think they have
thirty five tight ends on the roster at this point,
so they went after what they wanted to do. They
filled in the spaces that makes sense for a Sean
Payton team. And to your point, I don't think they
have a true weakness on their roster at any point, even
if the interior linebacker was at some points last year,
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they did do things to fill it out with some
younger guys, and I think they're a pretty complete roster.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
See, I'm looking for this team to be more explosive.
And if you can threaten a defense vertically, even if
you never throw the damn ball to Jay Louado, that's
a bonus for your run game. And that is a
bonus for everything that is thrown five to eight yards,
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because now we're talking about catch and run jackyards, right,
that's another area that the Broncos definitely need to improve
as far as the yackyards were concerned, because we saw
receivers catch the ball, but they were immediately tackled, correct, right,
So to me, that adds another wrinkle to the offense
that they didn't have and would make it tougher for
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them to actually for opposing defense to face. Because remember
what's going to happen with this Bronco schedule. From week
I think two to week six, they got a gambit
of games and in there you got San Francisco, you
got the Rams and oh, by the way, you have
Mike McDonald and the Seattle Seahawks. You have to be explosive,
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you have to do something to change things up because
if you don't, man life for boat Knicks be tough
fellas well.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
There's three plays in the NFL right now, there's staples
in almost every offense, and the Broncos did not really
succeed at those plays. They barely ran shallow cross that
put some ball in receivers hands, let him catch with momentum,
the deep over the play action, the deep crosser. Right,
we didn't see much of that out of Denver last year.
Wattle gives you the element on that. And then slot fade. Now,
slot fade is not something that we ran that much,
but we added enough tight ends and big bodies that
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you'd think you could be able to run that.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Dude.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
This past weekend, I went to the Broncos a hold
in these kind of like high school spring football games,
and I went out there to on my face and
I was with my son and there was a lot
of the teams are running a lot of slot fades.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
My son was like, well, why they can't stop that route.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I was like, dude, you know how hard it is
to stop that route because you have inside leverage. The
only way you can stop that is if the corner
outside falls off right and picks up at that corner route.
Other than that, man, you and trouble, you better call
for God, mom and someone else, because that's gonna be
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exposed to play.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
I feel like the Broncos. Didn't they win a game
against the Chiefs with a slot fade? Was it too Franklin?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I have to go back and look, you probably, but.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I think so they beat Buffalo that way. H yeah
one to Marvin Minims. Yeah yeah, but I mean like
that we were watching the other day. We're talking about
Lebron back in high school, right, what he would have
been because he was a you know, six eight two
fifty receiver or whatever. I'm like, bro, if you get
me Lebron, I'm running slot fade every there's nobody, nobody's doun.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
There's my favorite thing to throw. It was free money.
If you had a tall receiver, you know, it was
free money.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
That that route is very difficult to stop. And I
can easily see the Broncos with Wadle now on the roster,
maybe putting Qwotland seventy because sudden line have been slotted
a lot, right That That to me, those fifty to
fifty balls where he's got to you know, jump up
and he's got to take the ball away to me,
that's where he excelled. We didn't see a lot of
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those passes last season. Hell, we didn't even see a
lot of backshow to face him.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
No, that was you know, that was the Russ Arrow.
We certainly saw a lot of that stuff. And we
didn't see a lot of that with Bo. We haven't
seen a lot of that with bow And yet. Now
I'd love to see what you said, you start sutting
on the outside, motioning me in and then let him
go up on the pogo stick on the fade and
go get it. I'm all for that. What other things?
I mean? With Davis Webb running the offense this year,
he's got a background of the air Raid. We talked
about why stick, you know, why cross? Things like that
that that the air Raid runs that we haven't really
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run we'd like to see more of. Is there anything
you would like to see the Broncos run more of
this year?
Speaker 4 (31:56):
That's a great question. Just get the ball and play
maker's hands. To be honest, you have Giling Wattle on
the team now, smoke screen. It sounds simple, but it's
also something that will make the defense have to come
up and then you can threaten them vertically more often
that's a piece that I don't think enough teams utilize
to really make a defense feel like they need to squeeze.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
For me, it's levels routes, whether.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
You too left, right, right to left, or even levels
down the middle of the field. Because there's this kind
of idea and we can get into it probably later
on in the week about you know, passes down the
middle of the field and quarterbacks getting.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Criticized for that.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I have my different take on that, but I would
like to see the Broncos add more levels because whether
you're playing cover two, cover one, four to three doesn't
make a difference. It's going to put stress on either
your outside defender or your hook de curl defender.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
So I would like to see them do that a
lot more for me, and I'm with that. I love
to see that in more offenses period. My only concern
with that is bo gets rid of the balls of
darn quick then I don't know, You've got Stu time
for stuff like that to develop, Like you've got to
slow him down to let that develop because right now,
for me, if you're looking at Bow, the ideal offense
for him is a bunch of mesh triangle read put
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it in the right stuff and then have him get
because he just gets rid of it so fast.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
You know how you slow bow down, make him slow down.
You put him under center because his footwork has to
go with the timing of the route down the hill.
But because he's in the shotgun so often, it is
a catch and throw type situation. So before and we
saw a last of for Kansas City before Carling Someton
was able to make his.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Break on the twelve yard dig, Bow was already really
let it go.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, and that wasn't there And that's been a problem though,
So they got they got to figure it out in time.
That's a centius footward, right, That's that's a good point.
We got about a minute left here, Chris. Where can
people find your your work? Obviously football game plan, but
where can they find you on the socials and all
that kind of stuff?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Sure so on X my handles at CJ Florida nine.
That's at CJ, the entire state of Florida spelled out
in the number nine. I also do a podcast I
do four weeks called Chopping it Up with CJ. I
go through the full game oft of football, whether it's
on the fantasy side for people who like that, go
through each of the games. And right now I'm doing
and completing my draft grades, so I'll be doing AFC
West pretty soon. Hopefully I don't give you all two
(34:11):
bad grade.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
We will have to call you in and it appraise
you for your evaluation, or Shane you one of the two.
I don't know, It just depends. Broncos obviously didn't have
a first and a third, so it's gonna be a
little bit difficult to get them the higher grades as
far as that kind of stuff goes, But we appreciate it.
I appreciate you coming along and jumping in here today
and helping me and Nick out. Appreciate you guys being
along for the ride on another short show post Rockies edition,
Broncos Country Tonight back tomorrow night. As usual for Dick Ferguson,
(34:36):
Christians Management Albright say in good night,
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