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Speaker 1 (00:00):
No, Nick Ferguson, he's often Canton actually, And then they
got Ben healing up back on the men. Hopefully we
get him back sooner rather than later.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
With me quoting down the fort. In the meantime, like
I was.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Talking about last hour, got a surprising amount of Broncos
happenings to sift through and start dissecting, even though camp's
always out. We're in this total dead period right now.
You know, it seems like the second most exciting Broncos
topic for a lot of people is that dumb boat
picture I talked about in the first hour. The other
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one and this one I actually do think is interesting
and worthwhile, is the Marvin Mims situation, and that seems
to be heating up just bit by bit. And Marvin
MIM's is such a good professional, you know, he's saying
the right things, but you can tell there's I think
something simmering there. We saw this clip shout out to
Zack Stevens with the NVR went to.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Marvin Mimm's summer train camp.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I believe it's here in the Denver area, and I
asked him about you know, this is he's entering a
contract here, what does that look like and here are
a pair of Marvin Mims's answers in regards to that conversation.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
You know, I think I've proved it, you know, time
and time again, you know, just in different stretches, you know,
different opportunities come and seek. I mean, I feel as
if the coach chack kind of knows what they're gonna
get for me.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
You know, I love making your players.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I love being out there doing the things that I
can do. And really it's just wherever the team meets.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
From me, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And then you know, sometimes I'm not in the most
fortunate situation. Sometimes I am a little you know, irritated
with my situation. By the end of the day, I'm
blessed to me where I am today, you know, saying
right here where I am, and I loved him.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I love the city, I love the fans of that.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Just fear, love my teammates, let my coaches. So you know,
with this possibly be my last year, I'm gonna just
en do it to the full list is going to it,
you know, care free and just play my hardest because
we have a real chance to do something extremely specialized.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, that'd be sweet.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I think it'd be a huge, like peace of mind
for me, just like situation. Why but also you know,
with me being Shawn's first draft class and uh it
being my contract here, you know it's gonna be me
Riley Drew, sanders Dale Skinner, you know, as forts I
had that whole draft class and undrafted guys, you know,
Julil and Nate Atkins. So it's uh, yeah, I'm kind
of getting to the point where it's like you can't
keep everybody, you know, and I feel like especially as
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the draft class, you know, and the classes after us.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
And performed really well.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And that's how you know, you have really good scouts
and a really good front office. So we'll see what
happens if they want to retain, do they want to keep.
But at the end of the day, I mean us
as players campan you guys know, they can't really keep everybody,
So we'll see what happens. And but I mean, this
is my last year. I look forward to it with
these guys because I've had a great time here in
Denver in the past few years.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And the thing is those twenty twenty one, twenty two draft
classes produced so many key starters, expensive starters for the
Broncos as well as some great free agent signings like
Zach Allen and whatnot, Guys that you know got new
deals before Marvin Mims. And now it's that they really
can't keep everyone there right now.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And you know things will change.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
They're going to manipulate the cap. That have some roll
over cap, but right now the Broncos are set to
just have twelve point three million dollars in twenty twenty
seven cap space. That's nowhere near enough to retain at
everyone you want coming up from that draft class. There's
going to be a sacrifice or two or three made,
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you know, as this team tries to pursue a Super Bowl.
And the men's angle of that I think is really
interesting because when he was the first draft pick of
their I guess the highest drafted receiver Sean pagn has
taken since Brandon Cooks. You know, the the I believe
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he was yet because because Benito was a Hacket guy.
So yeah, he was the first draft pick of the
Sean Payton era here in Denver. And the flashes are
so promising, you know this last season on a per
target basis, I think you could make a very strong
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case that Mims was the best receiver on the team
on a per target basis, right, I think he had
the fewest drops, or at the very least he had
the lowest drop rate. He made a number of really
impressive catches, hard catches.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
The Buffalo Bills one, you.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Know on the sideline right there is going to be
the one that everyone thinks of. You know, He's added
a really explosive element to this offense. We've all seen
that he's one of the best return men in the league,
and he's gotten the accolades to prove it. He's not
a guy you want. And also he's just a great
character guy, good in the locker room. He's not a
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guy you want letting out that door.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You know. Everything.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Since George Payton came in replacing John Elway, he wanted
to change the culture of the team with hey, if
you're a good player, you're doing the right things, you
know you're gonna get rewarded. And Mims, I think in
so many ways fits that Bill And again the flashes
we saw, especially down the stretch, and I think that
is a bit of a trend with Mims that he
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heats up down the stretch. It leaves us every off
season going, Oh wow, man, Nim's ready to take a
big leap a wide receiver. Why are we not getting
this guy the ball more? You know, why is he
not getting more opportunities? And I think the same reason
he's not getting opportunities is the same reason this is
such a difficult negotiation to look at for the Denver Broncos.
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I am a strong believer in the idea that snaps
are earned and targets are earned, and responsibility in the
playbook is earned. You know, if you want to go
to a quarterback level like Sean Payton has a wildly
expansive playbook, it probably has every concept known to man,
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every play known to man in some.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Shape or form.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Drew Brees in twenty seventeen is going to have full
access to that menu. He's he's been an NFL quarterback
for a decade and a half and a very high
end one at that, and he's worked with Sean Payton
for a decade. Right, he's going to they've worked together
long enough, the whole menus on the table. Right when
you have Bernana Mendoza making his first starts for the Raiders, right,
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he's not going to have that whole click Kubiak menu.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Right, it's going to be limited.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
They're going to give them what they feel good about
and they'll build from there. As has been the case
with Bo, as has been the case with you, any
quarterback to being set up well as he enters the league, right,
you want to make it a little easy on the
guy first.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
You want to give him the right support.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
And I think fans get mixed up with that with
why aren't they calling this play? Why aren't they calling
that play? They have the plays. It's not like they
don't do that. It just doesn't necessarily align with the
talent and going to wide receiver. I think that's what
you're scene with Mims. This idea that you know, Sean
Payton comes to the press conference every Wednesday and oh man.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
We didn't get him the ball again? No way? WHOA.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I had no idea with the Sean Payton's maniacal offensive obsession.
How seriously he takes offensive football and the details right,
He's a details guy. Like we all know this. He
is a stickler for these types of things. We think
that twenty consecutive weeks he's just forgetting to give the
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ball to Marvin Mims when repeatedly he's saying, oh, man,
I got to do that, I gotta do that more,
and then it doesn't happen one So maybe we just
believe he's wildly forgetful, like also hasn't adapted the like
leave a note for yourself strategy, or hey Lombardi, get
in my ear and tell me to get Mims more involved, right,
all things they could do.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
To me, what seems more likely, and I want to
I'm not benjaminal Rd here.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I don't have sourcing on this, but just working around football,
working around the business, what seems a lot more likely
to me is there's a reason he's not getting the ball.
There's a reason he's not getting those snaps. But Jean
Payton's been an NFL head coach for almost two decades
and so he knows not to go to the local
media and go, oh, yeah, wells Marvin MIM's not getting
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the ball. Well, we're just really frustrated with the guy.
You know, he on running plays, we feel like the
blocking isn't where we need it to be, you know,
on plays where the route's or where the ball is
not designed designed to go to him. We have some
frustrations with his route running in those moments. Again, this
isn't sourced, but it is what I see on tape.
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Go and if you have NFL Pro, you can do this.
Go to NFL Pro. Look at every run snap that
Marvin Min's is on the field for it's not looking
pretty unless he's the ball carrier, then it looks really pretty. Right,
look at the plays he's on the field running a
route and he doesn't get the ball, especially and he's
asked to like be a runoff man. You know some
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of these plays, you're gonna get the ball one out
of every one hundred times we run it.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Your job is to create spacing for everyone else.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So someone's open underneath if you run that route, laxadaisically well,
now the guy's not open underneath. Now Bo's got a
pass rusher in his lap. Right, So that's why the
mystery of Marvin Mints it's not a mystery, you know.
The mystery angle is you know, gosh that Peyton just
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keeps forgetting or there's some conspiracy against Marvin Min's. Sean Payton,
this wildly competitive guy. We all talk about how frequiusly
competitive he is, and he wants to win a Super
Bowl so we can go to the Hall of Fame.
But more important than that to him, I guess, is
some beef with Marvin Minm's right, that doesn't make sense.
It's probably the reason he's not getting on the field more,
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because it's not that it's not more conducive to winning
than getting Pat Bryan on the field or last season
Troy Franklin on the field. If you know, like what
you do with the ball in your hands or when
the ball's thrown your way, that's probably the most important,
or not even probably that is the most important aspect
of being a wide receiver. It's the lead element of
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the job description. If you're bad there, not going to
work out, you need to check that box. And Mims
does again on a per target basis. There's a good
case to be made that he was the best receiver
on the Broncos last year, So why did he.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Get so little targets?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Well, if I'm putting myself in Sean Payton's shoes, I'm
trying to call a run play. If I can't trust
you to execute your block, well I can't leave you
in there, right And if the defense knows, I'm not
likely to ask you to run block. Well, they know
when you're in the game, we're probably passing. That's all
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right away, and I don't want to tip my hands.
So now I can't bring you into the game in
neutral scenarios. Can I have to save you for obvious
passing situations where the defense already knows I'm probably throwing
the ball. So I'm not worried about bringing Mems onto
the field. So that's part one. Part two. We're talking
about the routes, running guys off, getting other guys open.
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If there's concerns there, concerns about hitting your landmarks, concerns
about maybe the diversity of a route tree, well, now
we're further narrowing your skill set. We're making it more niche.
So to me, that's just like haw comes Razor here, right.
Why is it that every time we see Mims thrown
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the ball it looks so great and it does.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
That's not an element I'm debating.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Let me be really clear, when Mims gets thrown the football,
it looks awesome and understandably as a general Broncos country,
we're watching the games on Sundays, it's broadcast angle. We
can't see the receivers most of the time. Unless they're
getting the ball thrown to them. We don't know what's
happening when the ball's not getting thrown to Marvin Mims.
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So there is this mystery of gosh, why aren't they
doing that more? It seems to be so good every
time they do it. And the reason why is even
if you're Puka Nakua right, the guy that gets the
ball NonStop, he has a thirty three percent target share
and the Rams probably run the ball forty five percent
of the time. So we're talking to like pretty close
to one in six plays the ball is getting thrown
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his way. So what are you doing the other five?
Are you helping the team win? Are you setting a
block for Kyen Williams? Are you getting Devonte Adams open?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Right?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Then, hey, we got to have him on the field
for all six plays.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
If the answer to those other five are no, he's
leading to Karen Williams getting popped in the backfield.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
No, he's not getting open.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
No he's not in the right landmark, and now Stafford
missed him and now it's an interception, or he didn't
run the cornerback up, and so he was lurking and
able to jump the dig route to Adams, and now
it's an interception, you know. And I think some coaches,
like the Nate Hackett is probably gonna be lighter on
those issues and still give Nims a lot of opportunities.
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Sean Payton, if he cannot trust you coming from the
Bill Parcells tree, right, who else is off that tree?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Bill Belichick?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
What was his famed expression for that dynasty in New England?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Do your job.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Don't worry about his job, don't worry about their job.
Worry about your job. Execute your job. The rest will
work itself out, right. If Bill Belichick couldn't trust you
to do your job on five of six plays, And
again we're talking about Puka Nakua level target shares here,
Nim's is not getting a Puka Nakua level target share.
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If I can't trust you on five of the six plays, yeah,
you're probably not gonna have as many targets, right, it's
probably gonna You're probably gonna have a disproportionate level of
playing time when you look at how good you are
with the ball in your hands. So when we wonder
why is it Nims getting worth of these opportunities, and
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then you look at the film and you look at
what's happening. I think it just really clearly points to
they don't fully trust him. And to circle back around
to the whole contract element of it all, what type
of contract do you offer a phenomenal returner with really
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promising wide receiver upside who has really struggled to earn
your trust. I think that's a fascinating question. And when
the Broncos are living with right now and you heard
Nims and those quotes, that's a squeaky wheel. He is
not thrilled with this current situation, nor should he be,
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by the way, he should want the financial security that
comes with a second contract and the generational wealth that
comes with a second contract. If I was in issues,
I'd be annoyed too. Two all pronouns on a rookie deal.
Sure they're special teams, but we all know how valuable
to this team Nim's is, you know, even with the
wide receiver stuff still developing. But he also understandably probably
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believes in his own receiver talents.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
So if the Broncos offered him a returner.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Contract right now, which is probably what they be comfortable
doing since the receiver stuff is still a work in progress,
them's would probably shut that down, and understandably, we all
saw the heater he was on at the end of
the season, so I think it's this really naughty situation
and I don't know how they're going to untangle that
not It's maybe my most anticipated storyline for this upcoming
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Broncos camp, along with how is the rest of that
wide receiver room shaking out? I just cannot wait to
find out the one and only Bremasis is going to
help me sift through all of that coming up next
here on Broncos Country Tonight, stay tuned on eight fifty
koa fill it in for Benjamin Albright and Nick Fergus
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and tonight is they both enjoy their week elsewhere. But
thankfully I'm not solo tonight joining me to help break
down all this great Broncos action. We got the one
and only bre Mastis of well, I guess not believing
Broncos anymore, but of the Let's Talk Broncos podcast pre
how are you doing tonight?
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Wonderful breaking news no longer a part of believing the
moroncos of Patrick Keyoti. No, it's fantastic to be joining
me tonight. I find it amazing that they just let
you rule the roost over there. The older guys are
out and it's the young one filling in.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Not by design, you know you you you know sabotage
Nick's mode of transportation. You poisoned thatn enough times, and
you too can can hold down the four bris Amazing
the links that you will go to.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
That's that's how I am. But Bree, I don't know
if you've heard.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I was ranting and raving as I'm wanted to do
in the last segment about this Marvin Min's mystery, and
I don't know how much of a mystery it really is.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
But I'm curious to you. As we approach the.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Season, there's all this buzz about signing Marvin Mims and
what type of contract you should get, and you know,
should you wait this season?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Should you sign him ahead of time?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
If you're George Peyton, or if George Payton called you
up and asked for advice, how are you approaching that
Nim situation?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Are you trying to lock it up ahead of the season?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Well, I think you're asking me, particularly because you know
how risk adverse I can be when it comes to
certain elements of team building. But I think when it
comes to Marvin Mims, you look at an already proven weapon,
but that doesn't necessarily equal a proven receiver, and I
think there's a real difference there and it's created an
important distinction as the team, the Bronkles organization in general,
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and then Sean Payton and Davis web will have to
continue to figure out whether or not Nims is the
talent that we see moving forward to warrant, you know,
re upping on his contract. And I don't think there's
really a question of whether or not he has the talent.
We've seen the peppering in of explosiveness, seeing their return
ability and if anything, that puts them ahead of the curve.
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But as you've seen throughout the off season, the Broncos
are not afraid to go out and seek more talent,
bringing in the likes of a Hickem Butler, who you know,
maybe isn't the day one starter that you're anticipating through
training camp, but it's the ability to raise these ships
in this very crowded wide receiver room that year after year,
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Sean Payton and George Byton have shown us and told
us specifically that although they like the room, they're not
afraid to add to it. So with Mems, I feel
like every time he touches the ball, the defense kind
of has to tense up because they just they're not
quite sure what to expect out of them. What I
would hope out of this final year is that the Broncos,
if they do see that there's potential in his versatility,
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that they would want to lock that up. As far
as contract worse, I think that there's going to be
an upsetting avenue if he tends to have this breakout
year and he shows that he can flip the momentum
on the offense, proves that value, and then exponentially increases
that contract value. Because I don't think the Broncos are
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necessarily looking for a replacement for Men's. I don't think
that Mims is necessarily in a role in which he
needs to be looking over his shoulder. But I think
by proxy what the league teaches you and what roster
depth teaches you, the Broncos are contenders and they're not
afraid to continue to bring in talent, and we see
that there's not a whole lot of weakness when it
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comes across the roster, and Marvin Mims is kind of
going to be that natural question mark when it comes
into the wide receiver room, because now we're not looking
and one it too. You've got a Dalan Wadel, you
have gorland Son, and now you're looking, you know, how
does it play out? Four or five, six, even seven.
We know we've got a little Jordan Humphrey as an
inevitable there, and I think that Mims really has to
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build a trust, he has to build a consistency. But
that's going to be a lot of emphasis on the
play caller and what momentum he's able to build through
and with though, and I think that he could see
a severe cut in his reps that could just lead
to not quite the development. The good news is though
that if you sign him now and you you know
you you go ahead and extend that contract, then you
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don't have to worry about the fallout later if he
were to then develop further. But then you are mostly
saddled with that contract. So I would go ahead and
probably do it. We know we've got proven ability there,
we know we have the return ability, and I think
we have to assume that adding speed and keeping speed
are things that could really help this receiver room.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
That's the viewpoint is such a great one.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
As explosives become, you know, harder and harder to come by,
and more and more valuable, seemingly every single year having
more weapons that you know, we've seen what Marvin Nim's
can do, you know, in open space with the ball
in his hands.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I think that's a great point.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Talking with brimasists at Bremasis three zero three on social
media and of the Let's Talk Broncos podcast three, you
talked about Lord Joor and Humphrey some of the rest
of that receiver room. Ever since Jalen Wattle came in here,
everyone's talked about, you know, who's going to be wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
One, Jalen Wattle or cortland Son.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I think the more interesting camp battle is actually going
to be who earns that wide receiver three job. Is
it Marvin Mems, Is it Troy Franklin who was the
wide receiver two last year? Or is it going to
be Pat Bryant, this promising rookie who struggled to say
stay healthy but looked so darn good every time he
was on the field. Who's your or maybe there's another
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name I'm not thinking of. Who's your pick for that
third wide receiver spot well.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
And right now in the twilight hours before training camp,
I think you have to put Marvin Mims as your
slight favorite there. I mean you mentioned the injuries. When
it comes to Pat Bryant, I would love to see
him really accelerate into that role and grow and learn.
Availability is obviously extremely important here. I don't know if
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Brongoless Country or myself is really bought in on the
trust that is needed for Troy Franklin, although we've seen
those moments in where the pairing with him and bownicks it.
Obviously the chemistry exists there. But I think when you're
talking about what this offense is currently embroiled in is
as you're changing to Davis Webb's the offensive coordinator. We've
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always had that kind of question of that Sean Kayne
trust these individual receivers? Does he trust b Nix? And
I think Web has this opportunity to really show us
something interesting with where he views who should be this
The typical wide receiver three is we will quantify it,
which I would assume would be the third most reps
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or you know, the third guy to go to. Because
it's hard right when you start looking at what this
offense will look like. We have a lot of question
marks on who they're going to give the line share to.
And then ultimately you know if Jalen Watell going to
eke out Courtland's ton of questions to be asked. But
I think day Lolatto's arrival could actually help a little
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bit with Marvin Mims. He's going to draw a ton
of attention. Sutton already commands a ton of respect on
the outside. I think Mims has this opportunity if he
decides to take it, and it's all dependent on what
he's able to make happen. Is he could become the
player that the defense isn't really paying attention to, and
that's a huge opportunity to really create a breakout season
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for himself. I think you really want to see a
lot of consistency and you want to see more precision
out of him, and I think at the end of
the day, the reliability factor when it comes to turning
over the ball on downs. If Mims can make a
name for himself there, then you're changing the name of
the Broncos offense in general. And I think that you
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will naturally see those snaps progress. I would say that
Mims needs to be slotted in there just as the
organic person to watch and to to put in there.
But I think the biggest that could be Pat Bryant
because he's physical and he's tough, and he blocks and
he wins those contested catches. We've seen him do the
good things well and we've seen him do it week
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in and week out prior to you know, having to
deal with the injuries that he was played with there
throughout the season. So it really is going to be
an exciting time as we continue to feel out in
year three who Bonix likes to target and win because situationally,
that's going to matter a lot, and it's really going
to matter when it comes to we keep hearing about
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the explosive plays, right who lends themselves to that the best?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Bree again talking with Bree Mastas here, let's talk Broncos.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Many people, including.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yourself, have called me an ageist when I talk about players,
you know, maybe aging out of the role wrong side
of thirty is Grant often makes fun of me for.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
But I'm curious, are you.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
One of the members of Broncos Country optimistic about an
Evitingram bounce back season now? That he's got his former
teammate Davis Webcall in the plays, or do you find
yourself on the pessimistic side of things.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
You know me, I'm going to air on the side
of I think he still has a little bit more
left in the tank. I think that your narrative can
be played out sometimes. I think the ageist of he's
out on the wrong side of thirty. Necessarily, I think
he could be primed for a breakout in Denver simply
because you have that continuity working with him. But it's hard.
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It's hard when you've earned the label a thirty year
old tight end and you have this trend for individuals
immediately assuming a decline in your game. What we have
seen as of him hasn't been exactly what we were promised,
and so I think this is one of the times
where positional strength comes into play, because tight end is
one of those positions where you know, players really get
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to age gracefully because it's built on so much experience.
You have to qualify in, you know, route running and
understanding coverage and building all that cantry. And then whether
or not he you know, is going to be involved
mostly in blocking, but he's not going to be the
same athlete that he was at twenty four and nobody is.
And I think because Denver signed him when they did,
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their expectations of what he was are right where he's at.
And I feel and you pointed to it. You led
me directly to the water, and so I'm going to
drink it. At this point, with Davis Webb taking over
his offensive coordinator, it would be remiss to think that
he would be left out of the packaging here. I
think that he could have and could be in line
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for one of his more productive seasons. But that is
tinted with a side of optimism and hope, because I
don't think it's going to suddenly become a different player.
I don't think you know, he's being plucked out of
an environment and into a better one. Right This is
This is spacing and continuity. This is a tension going elsewhere.
Like I mentioned with how that could exceed in helping
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Marvin MIM's game, I think that this could actually do
the same thing for Ingram.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I've been asked you a lot about what I'm most
excited about this training camp. I'm curious, though, what are
you most excited about? Is there a battle that's jumping
out to you. Is there a narrative you want clarity on?
Is there a player you're just excited to see? What
is on the top of the Remasis training camp watch list.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
I think there's a lot. When you talk about training
camp battles, I think you're automatically picturing what you would
think is a rebuilding, right Like, we got a look,
who's going to be quarterback one? Now we're talking about
quarterback two battles. We're thinking, you know, whether or not
the line has that next guy up, because you always
have to be worried about injuries. I go into training
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camp every single year with a tinge of excitement for
different things, but this year particularly feels like one of
the more special ones. You're off of a what I
would say is a heartbreaking run in the AFC Championship,
and then you have this idea that this Broncos team
is less about desperation and they're into the definition face
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because they're not trying to figure out if they have
that franchise quarterback. They don't. They've locked down their coach
or the future, and I think as they increasingly built
upon their image, you have the opportunity to start looking
at those depth roles, and I don't know if you're
really looking at like foundational questions or individuals in general,
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because I'm obviously excited to see who starts making a
name for themselves, but those are the guys who are
going to be seen later on like a like a
Red Murdoco. Mister irrelevant is a fun thing to just
consider because where is he going to slot in and
where is he going to fit in? Because it's not
just a depth chart conversation, it's how all three phases
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of football are going to function weekend and week out,
because injuries in a contact sport are just the name
of the game. It's just the name of the game.
It's just how it happens. And so my biggest thing,
my most exciting avenue is going to be one offensive
line because I'm going to want to see who's the
guy that's going to be able to step right in
not create that ripple effect. And then it's going to
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be guys who are able to fill roles and create
that versatility because we've seen that the organization as a whole.
Champagne obviously throughout his career and now George Payton as
he continues to handselect individuals to bring on prior to
to the fifty three roster cut. We're seeing these really
intriguing talent battles. I guess right, because you start considering,
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you know who's going to step up in the in
the in the realm. If a JL skinner goes down
on special teams, like, that's the definition point that we're
at for this Broncos team. So as we're heading into
training camp, I'm not necessarily looking at a battle per
se or something that I'm tremendously excited about. But I
think it really is seeing how deep this talented roster
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can be and then building upon that. I think that
the road is just paved in gold for this very
talented roster. I'd be interested to see who makes the team.
And I can't wait to talk about it more. And
let's talk Broncos.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Absolutely, I'm with you there talking with Brimasis of Let's
talk Broncos. Last one for you here, Brie. As we
come down the home stretch, I got to ask you.
I know you are a Celtics fan, you're a Nuggets
fan both. I don't know the order, but we'll just
say those are the top two. So you don't get
any angry fan mail Jaylen Brown on the trade block
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right now. Look, all off season people have been wondering
about Jamal Murray getting traded from the Nuggets. If the
Nuggets swapped Jamal Murray for Jayleen Brown, maybe a first
round or gets thrown in there too. Who is getting
the better end of that deal?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Brie, Oh, shoot me, no. I I'm really excited by
the idea because you get this opportunity and you're building
around Nicole Jokic, and I think Jalen Brown checks almost
every box. I would say the Nuggets have to have
to win this no matter what. They get off some
hasty contracts, but they also get an elite two way
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player that can make up some of the deficiencies you
would see in the Coleo Kicchi's game. And you get
an individual who is an excellent transition player and has
that championship experience. I think that he could create his
own destiny here in the Mile High City. It feels
almost like you're like, I'm trying to manifest it, but
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it feels almost too good to be true if they
were were to be able to get that done. But
since you kind of set me up to fail. I
would say Nuggets are one Celtics or two, but Brown's
athletic enough to really take the pressure off. I was
gonna say Aaron Gordon, but you know, as we continue
to see how this roster is going to look heading
into next year, I'm not going to slot that in
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as an absolute here, but I do believe that it
would allow for some more natural roaming and it would
help those role players be able to play their own game,
and I think aootball straightway, I just think it would
unlock another another level of Browns game to be paired
up with the Jokic. So in the realm of things
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that I wish would happen immediately, I think I'd love
to see Denver go in that direction, But after the draft,
I'm kind of confused.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
So hey, I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
This has been a puzzling set of nights for the
Denver Broncos. Brie, thank you so much for the time.
Look forward to talking to you again soon here.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Absolutely have a great evening you Tooe.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Bree.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
It's the great, the one and only Bree Mace that's
always left picking our brain about the Broncos and all
things Colorado sports. Frankly can catch more of us together
over on Let's Talk Broncos. Coming up next, though, I'm
gonna pick Nick Cosminder's brain about the Denver Broncos, about
trading camp, what he's most looking forward to, All that
and more up next on Broncos Country Tonight A fifty
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koa
No, Nick Ferguson, he's often Canton actually, And then they
got Ben healing up back on the men. Hopefully we
get him back sooner rather than later.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
With me quoting down the fort. In the meantime, like
I was.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Talking about last hour, got a surprising amount of Broncos
happenings to sift through and start dissecting, even though camp's
always out. We're in this total dead period right now.
You know, it seems like the second most exciting Broncos
topic for a lot of people is that dumb boat
picture I talked about in the first hour. The other
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one and this one I actually do think is interesting
and worthwhile, is the Marvin Mims situation, and that seems
to be heating up just bit by bit. And Marvin
MIM's is such a good professional, you know, he's saying
the right things, but you can tell there's I think
something simmering there. We saw this clip shout out to
Zack Stevens with the NVR went to.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Marvin Mimm's summer train camp.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I believe it's here in the Denver area, and I
asked him about you know, this is he's entering a
contract here, what does that look like and here are
a pair of Marvin Mims's answers in regards to that conversation.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
You know, I think I've proved it, you know, time
and time again, you know, just in different stretches, you know,
different opportunities come and seek. I mean, I feel as
if the coach chack kind of knows what they're gonna
get for me.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
You know, I love making your players.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I love being out there doing the things that I
can do. And really it's just wherever the team meets.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
From me, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And then you know, sometimes I'm not in the most
fortunate situation. Sometimes I am a little you know, irritated
with my situation. By the end of the day, I'm
blessed to me where I am today, you know, saying
right here where I am, and I loved him.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I love the city, I love the fans of that.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Just fear, love my teammates, let my coaches. So you know,
with this possibly be my last year, I'm gonna just
en do it to the full list is going to it,
you know, care free and just play my hardest because
we have a real chance to do something extremely specialized.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, that'd be sweet.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I think it'd be a huge, like peace of mind
for me, just like situation. Why but also you know,
with me being Shawn's first draft class and uh it
being my contract here, you know it's gonna be me
Riley Drew, sanders Dale Skinner, you know, as forts I
had that whole draft class and undrafted guys, you know,
Julil and Nate Atkins. So it's uh, yeah, I'm kind
of getting to the point where it's like you can't
keep everybody, you know, and I feel like especially as
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the draft class, you know, and the classes after us.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
And performed really well.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And that's how you know, you have really good scouts
and a really good front office. So we'll see what
happens if they want to retain, do they want to keep.
But at the end of the day, I mean us
as players campan you guys know, they can't really keep everybody,
So we'll see what happens. And but I mean, this
is my last year. I look forward to it with
these guys because I've had a great time here in
Denver in the past few years.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And the thing is those twenty twenty one, twenty two draft
classes produced so many key starters, expensive starters for the
Broncos as well as some great free agent signings like
Zach Allen and whatnot, Guys that you know got new
deals before Marvin Mims. And now it's that they really
can't keep everyone there right now.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And you know things will change.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
They're going to manipulate the cap. That have some roll
over cap, but right now the Broncos are set to
just have twelve point three million dollars in twenty twenty
seven cap space. That's nowhere near enough to retain at
everyone you want coming up from that draft class. There's
going to be a sacrifice or two or three made,
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you know, as this team tries to pursue a Super Bowl.
And the men's angle of that I think is really
interesting because when he was the first draft pick of
their I guess the highest drafted receiver Sean pagn has
taken since Brandon Cooks. You know, the the I believe
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he was yet because because Benito was a Hacket guy.
So yeah, he was the first draft pick of the
Sean Payton era here in Denver. And the flashes are
so promising, you know this last season on a per
target basis, I think you could make a very strong
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case that Mims was the best receiver on the team
on a per target basis, right, I think he had
the fewest drops, or at the very least he had
the lowest drop rate. He made a number of really
impressive catches, hard catches.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
The Buffalo Bills one, you.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Know on the sideline right there is going to be
the one that everyone thinks of. You know, He's added
a really explosive element to this offense. We've all seen
that he's one of the best return men in the league,
and he's gotten the accolades to prove it. He's not
a guy you want. And also he's just a great
character guy, good in the locker room. He's not a
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guy you want letting out that door.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
You know. Everything.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Since George Payton came in replacing John Elway, he wanted
to change the culture of the team with hey, if
you're a good player, you're doing the right things, you
know you're gonna get rewarded. And Mims, I think in
so many ways fits that Bill And again the flashes
we saw, especially down the stretch, and I think that
is a bit of a trend with Mims that he
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heats up down the stretch. It leaves us every off
season going, Oh wow, man, Nim's ready to take a
big leap a wide receiver. Why are we not getting
this guy the ball more? You know, why is he
not getting more opportunities? And I think the same reason
he's not getting opportunities is the same reason this is
such a difficult negotiation to look at for the Denver Broncos.
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I am a strong believer in the idea that snaps
are earned and targets are earned, and responsibility in the
playbook is earned. You know, if you want to go
to a quarterback level like Sean Payton has a wildly
expansive playbook, it probably has every concept known to man,
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every play known to man in some.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Shape or form.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Drew Brees in twenty seventeen is going to have full
access to that menu. He's he's been an NFL quarterback
for a decade and a half and a very high
end one at that, and he's worked with Sean Payton
for a decade. Right, he's going to they've worked together
long enough, the whole menus on the table. Right when
you have Bernana Mendoza making his first starts for the Raiders, right,
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he's not going to have that whole click Kubiak menu.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Right, it's going to be limited.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
They're going to give them what they feel good about
and they'll build from there. As has been the case
with Bo, as has been the case with you, any
quarterback to being set up well as he enters the league, right,
you want to make it a little easy on the
guy first.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
You want to give him the right support.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
And I think fans get mixed up with that with
why aren't they calling this play? Why aren't they calling
that play? They have the plays. It's not like they
don't do that. It just doesn't necessarily align with the
talent and going to wide receiver. I think that's what
you're scene with Mims. This idea that you know, Sean
Payton comes to the press conference every Wednesday and oh man.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
We didn't get him the ball again? No way? WHOA.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
I had no idea with the Sean Payton's maniacal offensive obsession.
How seriously he takes offensive football and the details right,
He's a details guy. Like we all know this. He
is a stickler for these types of things. We think
that twenty consecutive weeks he's just forgetting to give the
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ball to Marvin Mims when repeatedly he's saying, oh, man,
I got to do that, I gotta do that more,
and then it doesn't happen one So maybe we just
believe he's wildly forgetful, like also hasn't adapted the like
leave a note for yourself strategy, or hey Lombardi, get
in my ear and tell me to get Mims more involved, right,
all things they could do.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
To me, what seems more likely, and I want to
I'm not benjaminal Rd here.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
I don't have sourcing on this, but just working around football,
working around the business, what seems a lot more likely
to me is there's a reason he's not getting the ball.
There's a reason he's not getting those snaps. But Jean
Payton's been an NFL head coach for almost two decades
and so he knows not to go to the local
media and go, oh, yeah, wells Marvin MIM's not getting
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the ball. Well, we're just really frustrated with the guy.
You know, he on running plays, we feel like the
blocking isn't where we need it to be, you know,
on plays where the route's or where the ball is
not designed designed to go to him. We have some
frustrations with his route running in those moments. Again, this
isn't sourced, but it is what I see on tape.
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Go and if you have NFL Pro, you can do this.
Go to NFL Pro. Look at every run snap that
Marvin Min's is on the field for it's not looking
pretty unless he's the ball carrier, then it looks really pretty. Right,
look at the plays he's on the field running a
route and he doesn't get the ball, especially and he's
asked to like be a runoff man. You know some
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of these plays, you're gonna get the ball one out
of every one hundred times we run it.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Your job is to create spacing for everyone else.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So someone's open underneath if you run that route, laxadaisically well,
now the guy's not open underneath. Now Bo's got a
pass rusher in his lap. Right, So that's why the
mystery of Marvin Mints it's not a mystery, you know.
The mystery angle is you know, gosh that Peyton just
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keeps forgetting or there's some conspiracy against Marvin Min's. Sean Payton,
this wildly competitive guy. We all talk about how frequiusly
competitive he is, and he wants to win a Super
Bowl so we can go to the Hall of Fame.
But more important than that to him, I guess, is
some beef with Marvin Minm's right, that doesn't make sense.
It's probably the reason he's not getting on the field more,
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because it's not that it's not more conducive to winning
than getting Pat Bryan on the field or last season
Troy Franklin on the field. If you know, like what
you do with the ball in your hands or when
the ball's thrown your way, that's probably the most important,
or not even probably that is the most important aspect
of being a wide receiver. It's the lead element of
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the job description. If you're bad there, not going to
work out, you need to check that box. And Mims
does again on a per target basis. There's a good
case to be made that he was the best receiver
on the Broncos last year, So why did he.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Get so little targets?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Well, if I'm putting myself in Sean Payton's shoes, I'm
trying to call a run play. If I can't trust
you to execute your block, well I can't leave you
in there, right And if the defense knows, I'm not
likely to ask you to run block. Well, they know
when you're in the game, we're probably passing. That's all
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right away, and I don't want to tip my hands.
So now I can't bring you into the game in
neutral scenarios. Can I have to save you for obvious
passing situations where the defense already knows I'm probably throwing
the ball. So I'm not worried about bringing Mems onto
the field. So that's part one. Part two. We're talking
about the routes, running guys off, getting other guys open.
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If there's concerns there, concerns about hitting your landmarks, concerns
about maybe the diversity of a route tree, well, now
we're further narrowing your skill set. We're making it more niche.
So to me, that's just like haw comes Razor here, right.
Why is it that every time we see Mims thrown
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the ball it looks so great and it does.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
That's not an element I'm debating.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Let me be really clear, when Mims gets thrown the football,
it looks awesome and understandably as a general Broncos country,
we're watching the games on Sundays, it's broadcast angle. We
can't see the receivers most of the time. Unless they're
getting the ball thrown to them. We don't know what's
happening when the ball's not getting thrown to Marvin Mims.
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So there is this mystery of gosh, why aren't they
doing that more? It seems to be so good every
time they do it. And the reason why is even
if you're Puka Nakua right, the guy that gets the
ball NonStop, he has a thirty three percent target share
and the Rams probably run the ball forty five percent
of the time. So we're talking to like pretty close
to one in six plays the ball is getting thrown
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his way. So what are you doing the other five?
Are you helping the team win? Are you setting a
block for Kyen Williams? Are you getting Devonte Adams open?
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Right?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Then, hey, we got to have him on the field
for all six plays.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
If the answer to those other five are no, he's
leading to Karen Williams getting popped in the backfield.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
No, he's not getting open.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
No he's not in the right landmark, and now Stafford
missed him and now it's an interception, or he didn't
run the cornerback up, and so he was lurking and
able to jump the dig route to Adams, and now
it's an interception, you know. And I think some coaches,
like the Nate Hackett is probably gonna be lighter on
those issues and still give Nims a lot of opportunities.
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Sean Payton, if he cannot trust you coming from the
Bill Parcells tree, right, who else is off that tree?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Bill Belichick?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
What was his famed expression for that dynasty in New England?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Do your job.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Don't worry about his job, don't worry about their job.
Worry about your job. Execute your job. The rest will
work itself out, right. If Bill Belichick couldn't trust you
to do your job on five of six plays, And
again we're talking about Puka Nakua level target shares here,
Nim's is not getting a Puka Nakua level target share.
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If I can't trust you on five of the six plays, yeah,
you're probably not gonna have as many targets, right, it's
probably gonna You're probably gonna have a disproportionate level of
playing time when you look at how good you are
with the ball in your hands. So when we wonder
why is it Nims getting worth of these opportunities, and
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then you look at the film and you look at
what's happening. I think it just really clearly points to
they don't fully trust him. And to circle back around
to the whole contract element of it all, what type
of contract do you offer a phenomenal returner with really
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promising wide receiver upside who has really struggled to earn
your trust. I think that's a fascinating question. And when
the Broncos are living with right now and you heard
Nims and those quotes, that's a squeaky wheel. He is
not thrilled with this current situation, nor should he be,
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by the way, he should want the financial security that
comes with a second contract and the generational wealth that
comes with a second contract. If I was in issues,
I'd be annoyed too. Two all pronouns on a rookie deal.
Sure they're special teams, but we all know how valuable
to this team Nim's is, you know, even with the
wide receiver stuff still developing. But he also understandably probably
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believes in his own receiver talents.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
So if the Broncos offered him a returner.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Contract right now, which is probably what they be comfortable
doing since the receiver stuff is still a work in progress,
them's would probably shut that down, and understandably, we all
saw the heater he was on at the end of
the season, so I think it's this really naughty situation
and I don't know how they're going to untangle that
not It's maybe my most anticipated storyline for this upcoming
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Broncos camp, along with how is the rest of that
wide receiver room shaking out? I just cannot wait to
find out the one and only Bremasis is going to
help me sift through all of that coming up next
here on Broncos Country Tonight, stay tuned on eight fifty
koa fill it in for Benjamin Albright and Nick Fergus
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and tonight is they both enjoy their week elsewhere. But
thankfully I'm not solo tonight joining me to help break
down all this great Broncos action. We got the one
and only bre Mastis of well, I guess not believing
Broncos anymore, but of the Let's Talk Broncos podcast pre
how are you doing tonight?
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Wonderful breaking news no longer a part of believing the
moroncos of Patrick Keyoti. No, it's fantastic to be joining
me tonight. I find it amazing that they just let
you rule the roost over there. The older guys are
out and it's the young one filling in.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Not by design, you know you you you know sabotage
Nick's mode of transportation. You poisoned thatn enough times, and
you too can can hold down the four bris Amazing
the links that you will go to.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
That's that's how I am. But Bree, I don't know
if you've heard.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I was ranting and raving as I'm wanted to do
in the last segment about this Marvin Min's mystery, and
I don't know how much of a mystery it really is.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
But I'm curious to you. As we approach the.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Season, there's all this buzz about signing Marvin Mims and
what type of contract you should get, and you know,
should you wait this season?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Should you sign him ahead of time?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
If you're George Peyton, or if George Payton called you
up and asked for advice, how are you approaching that
Nim situation?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Are you trying to lock it up ahead of the season?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Well, I think you're asking me, particularly because you know
how risk adverse I can be when it comes to
certain elements of team building. But I think when it
comes to Marvin Mims, you look at an already proven weapon,
but that doesn't necessarily equal a proven receiver, and I
think there's a real difference there and it's created an
important distinction as the team, the Bronkles organization in general,
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and then Sean Payton and Davis web will have to
continue to figure out whether or not Nims is the
talent that we see moving forward to warrant, you know,
re upping on his contract. And I don't think there's
really a question of whether or not he has the talent.
We've seen the peppering in of explosiveness, seeing their return
ability and if anything, that puts them ahead of the curve.
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But as you've seen throughout the off season, the Broncos
are not afraid to go out and seek more talent,
bringing in the likes of a Hickem Butler, who you know,
maybe isn't the day one starter that you're anticipating through
training camp, but it's the ability to raise these ships
in this very crowded wide receiver room that year after year,
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Sean Payton and George Byton have shown us and told
us specifically that although they like the room, they're not
afraid to add to it. So with Mems, I feel
like every time he touches the ball, the defense kind
of has to tense up because they just they're not
quite sure what to expect out of them. What I
would hope out of this final year is that the Broncos,
if they do see that there's potential in his versatility,
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that they would want to lock that up. As far
as contract worse, I think that there's going to be
an upsetting avenue if he tends to have this breakout
year and he shows that he can flip the momentum
on the offense, proves that value, and then exponentially increases
that contract value. Because I don't think the Broncos are
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necessarily looking for a replacement for Men's. I don't think
that Mims is necessarily in a role in which he
needs to be looking over his shoulder. But I think
by proxy what the league teaches you and what roster
depth teaches you, the Broncos are contenders and they're not
afraid to continue to bring in talent, and we see
that there's not a whole lot of weakness when it
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comes across the roster, and Marvin Mims is kind of
going to be that natural question mark when it comes
into the wide receiver room, because now we're not looking
and one it too. You've got a Dalan Wadel, you
have gorland Son, and now you're looking, you know, how
does it play out? Four or five, six, even seven.
We know we've got a little Jordan Humphrey as an
inevitable there, and I think that Mims really has to
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build a trust, he has to build a consistency. But
that's going to be a lot of emphasis on the
play caller and what momentum he's able to build through
and with though, and I think that he could see
a severe cut in his reps that could just lead
to not quite the development. The good news is though
that if you sign him now and you you know
you you go ahead and extend that contract, then you
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don't have to worry about the fallout later if he
were to then develop further. But then you are mostly
saddled with that contract. So I would go ahead and
probably do it. We know we've got proven ability there,
we know we have the return ability, and I think
we have to assume that adding speed and keeping speed
are things that could really help this receiver room.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
That's the viewpoint is such a great one.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
As explosives become, you know, harder and harder to come by,
and more and more valuable, seemingly every single year having
more weapons that you know, we've seen what Marvin Nim's
can do, you know, in open space with the ball
in his hands.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I think that's a great point.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Talking with brimasists at Bremasis three zero three on social
media and of the Let's Talk Broncos podcast three, you
talked about Lord Joor and Humphrey some of the rest
of that receiver room. Ever since Jalen Wattle came in here,
everyone's talked about, you know, who's going to be wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
One, Jalen Wattle or cortland Son.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I think the more interesting camp battle is actually going
to be who earns that wide receiver three job. Is
it Marvin Mems, Is it Troy Franklin who was the
wide receiver two last year? Or is it going to
be Pat Bryant, this promising rookie who struggled to say
stay healthy but looked so darn good every time he
was on the field. Who's your or maybe there's another
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name I'm not thinking of. Who's your pick for that
third wide receiver spot well.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
And right now in the twilight hours before training camp,
I think you have to put Marvin Mims as your
slight favorite there. I mean you mentioned the injuries. When
it comes to Pat Bryant, I would love to see
him really accelerate into that role and grow and learn.
Availability is obviously extremely important here. I don't know if
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Brongoless Country or myself is really bought in on the
trust that is needed for Troy Franklin, although we've seen
those moments in where the pairing with him and bownicks it.
Obviously the chemistry exists there. But I think when you're
talking about what this offense is currently embroiled in is
as you're changing to Davis Webb's the offensive coordinator. We've
(22:24):
always had that kind of question of that Sean Kayne
trust these individual receivers? Does he trust b Nix? And
I think Web has this opportunity to really show us
something interesting with where he views who should be this
The typical wide receiver three is we will quantify it,
which I would assume would be the third most reps
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or you know, the third guy to go to. Because
it's hard right when you start looking at what this
offense will look like. We have a lot of question
marks on who they're going to give the line share to.
And then ultimately you know if Jalen Watell going to
eke out Courtland's ton of questions to be asked. But
I think day Lolatto's arrival could actually help a little
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bit with Marvin Mims. He's going to draw a ton
of attention. Sutton already commands a ton of respect on
the outside. I think Mims has this opportunity if he
decides to take it, and it's all dependent on what
he's able to make happen. Is he could become the
player that the defense isn't really paying attention to, and
that's a huge opportunity to really create a breakout season
(23:29):
for himself. I think you really want to see a
lot of consistency and you want to see more precision
out of him, and I think at the end of
the day, the reliability factor when it comes to turning
over the ball on downs. If Mims can make a
name for himself there, then you're changing the name of
the Broncos offense in general. And I think that you
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will naturally see those snaps progress. I would say that
Mims needs to be slotted in there just as the
organic person to watch and to to put in there.
But I think the biggest that could be Pat Bryant
because he's physical and he's tough, and he blocks and
he wins those contested catches. We've seen him do the
good things well and we've seen him do it week
(24:12):
in and week out prior to you know, having to
deal with the injuries that he was played with there
throughout the season. So it really is going to be
an exciting time as we continue to feel out in
year three who Bonix likes to target and win because situationally,
that's going to matter a lot, and it's really going
to matter when it comes to we keep hearing about
(24:33):
the explosive plays, right who lends themselves to that the best?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Bree again talking with Bree Mastas here, let's talk Broncos.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Many people, including.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yourself, have called me an ageist when I talk about players,
you know, maybe aging out of the role wrong side
of thirty is Grant often makes fun of me for.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
But I'm curious, are you.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
One of the members of Broncos Country optimistic about an
Evitingram bounce back season now? That he's got his former
teammate Davis Webcall in the plays, or do you find
yourself on the pessimistic side of things.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
You know me, I'm going to air on the side
of I think he still has a little bit more
left in the tank. I think that your narrative can
be played out sometimes. I think the ageist of he's
out on the wrong side of thirty. Necessarily, I think
he could be primed for a breakout in Denver simply
because you have that continuity working with him. But it's hard.
(25:28):
It's hard when you've earned the label a thirty year
old tight end and you have this trend for individuals
immediately assuming a decline in your game. What we have
seen as of him hasn't been exactly what we were promised,
and so I think this is one of the times
where positional strength comes into play, because tight end is
one of those positions where you know, players really get
(25:50):
to age gracefully because it's built on so much experience.
You have to qualify in, you know, route running and
understanding coverage and building all that cantry. And then whether
or not he you know, is going to be involved
mostly in blocking, but he's not going to be the
same athlete that he was at twenty four and nobody is.
And I think because Denver signed him when they did,
(26:12):
their expectations of what he was are right where he's at.
And I feel and you pointed to it. You led
me directly to the water, and so I'm going to
drink it. At this point, with Davis Webb taking over
his offensive coordinator, it would be remiss to think that
he would be left out of the packaging here. I
think that he could have and could be in line
(26:33):
for one of his more productive seasons. But that is
tinted with a side of optimism and hope, because I
don't think it's going to suddenly become a different player.
I don't think you know, he's being plucked out of
an environment and into a better one. Right This is
This is spacing and continuity. This is a tension going elsewhere.
Like I mentioned with how that could exceed in helping
(26:53):
Marvin MIM's game, I think that this could actually do
the same thing for Ingram.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I've been asked you a lot about what I'm most
excited about this training camp. I'm curious, though, what are
you most excited about? Is there a battle that's jumping
out to you. Is there a narrative you want clarity on?
Is there a player you're just excited to see? What
is on the top of the Remasis training camp watch list.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
I think there's a lot. When you talk about training
camp battles, I think you're automatically picturing what you would
think is a rebuilding, right Like, we got a look,
who's going to be quarterback one? Now we're talking about
quarterback two battles. We're thinking, you know, whether or not
the line has that next guy up, because you always
have to be worried about injuries. I go into training
(27:40):
camp every single year with a tinge of excitement for
different things, but this year particularly feels like one of
the more special ones. You're off of a what I
would say is a heartbreaking run in the AFC Championship,
and then you have this idea that this Broncos team
is less about desperation and they're into the definition face
(28:01):
because they're not trying to figure out if they have
that franchise quarterback. They don't. They've locked down their coach
or the future, and I think as they increasingly built
upon their image, you have the opportunity to start looking
at those depth roles, and I don't know if you're
really looking at like foundational questions or individuals in general,
(28:22):
because I'm obviously excited to see who starts making a
name for themselves, but those are the guys who are
going to be seen later on like a like a
Red Murdoco. Mister irrelevant is a fun thing to just
consider because where is he going to slot in and
where is he going to fit in? Because it's not
just a depth chart conversation, it's how all three phases
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of football are going to function weekend and week out,
because injuries in a contact sport are just the name
of the game. It's just the name of the game.
It's just how it happens. And so my biggest thing,
my most exciting avenue is going to be one offensive
line because I'm going to want to see who's the
guy that's going to be able to step right in
not create that ripple effect. And then it's going to
(29:07):
be guys who are able to fill roles and create
that versatility because we've seen that the organization as a whole.
Champagne obviously throughout his career and now George Payton as
he continues to handselect individuals to bring on prior to
to the fifty three roster cut. We're seeing these really
intriguing talent battles. I guess right, because you start considering,
(29:31):
you know who's going to step up in the in
the in the realm. If a JL skinner goes down
on special teams, like, that's the definition point that we're
at for this Broncos team. So as we're heading into
training camp, I'm not necessarily looking at a battle per
se or something that I'm tremendously excited about. But I
think it really is seeing how deep this talented roster
(29:54):
can be and then building upon that. I think that
the road is just paved in gold for this very
talented roster. I'd be interested to see who makes the team.
And I can't wait to talk about it more. And
let's talk Broncos.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Absolutely, I'm with you there talking with Brimasis of Let's
talk Broncos. Last one for you here, Brie. As we
come down the home stretch, I got to ask you.
I know you are a Celtics fan, you're a Nuggets
fan both. I don't know the order, but we'll just
say those are the top two. So you don't get
any angry fan mail Jaylen Brown on the trade block
(30:30):
right now. Look, all off season people have been wondering
about Jamal Murray getting traded from the Nuggets. If the
Nuggets swapped Jamal Murray for Jayleen Brown, maybe a first
round or gets thrown in there too. Who is getting
the better end of that deal?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Brie, Oh, shoot me, no. I I'm really excited by
the idea because you get this opportunity and you're building
around Nicole Jokic, and I think Jalen Brown checks almost
every box. I would say the Nuggets have to have
to win this no matter what. They get off some
hasty contracts, but they also get an elite two way
(31:05):
player that can make up some of the deficiencies you
would see in the Coleo Kicchi's game. And you get
an individual who is an excellent transition player and has
that championship experience. I think that he could create his
own destiny here in the Mile High City. It feels
almost like you're like, I'm trying to manifest it, but
(31:27):
it feels almost too good to be true if they
were were to be able to get that done. But
since you kind of set me up to fail. I
would say Nuggets are one Celtics or two, but Brown's
athletic enough to really take the pressure off. I was
gonna say Aaron Gordon, but you know, as we continue
to see how this roster is going to look heading
into next year, I'm not going to slot that in
(31:47):
as an absolute here, but I do believe that it
would allow for some more natural roaming and it would
help those role players be able to play their own game,
and I think aootball straightway, I just think it would
unlock another another level of Browns game to be paired
up with the Jokic. So in the realm of things
(32:09):
that I wish would happen immediately, I think I'd love
to see Denver go in that direction, But after the draft,
I'm kind of confused.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
So hey, I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
This has been a puzzling set of nights for the
Denver Broncos. Brie, thank you so much for the time.
Look forward to talking to you again soon here.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Absolutely have a great evening you Tooe.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Bree.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
It's the great, the one and only Bree Mace that's
always left picking our brain about the Broncos and all
things Colorado sports. Frankly can catch more of us together
over on Let's Talk Broncos. Coming up next, though, I'm
gonna pick Nick Cosminder's brain about the Denver Broncos, about
trading camp, what he's most looking forward to, All that
and more up next on Broncos Country Tonight A fifty
(32:53):
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