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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And it looked like Croatia tied it up there and
then I guess the replay with it.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Was the off side sact.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
I believe that was the call.
Speaker 4 (00:07):
Now, yeah, we're talking about the innovation of the sport
and how modern day technology has helped you get a
lot of these calls, correct, because the chip in the
ball kind of gives them some indication.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
When when the player touches the ball.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
But come on, I mean we saw in the game
with the match between you know, US and Bosnia. I
mean there were two goals taking off the board for
the US because it was offsides.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Oh man, I was pissed off.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, there was a lot of things that was kind
of not to.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Mention them taking the best player off the game when
I was going with that first.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
First of all, if I'm Belogan, I've got a udo
reverse card in my pocket, just handing it to the reds,
you know, take that red card back.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That that red card was some some nonsense.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
It was because anytime, and I know I understand.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
What the bonsing and fans were thinking and even official,
but when you swow it down you're able to see
so many different things. But the problem with that was
swolling it down frame by frame and get him to steal.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
You say, okay, well, was the stepping on the ankle intentional?
I don't think if it was.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
But then even if you wanted to say that was
the case, what about Messy? Right, Messy was in the
same situation. He didn't get a red car. And I
remember Steve telling me when we were talking about this
off air, he was like, well, that's messy. You can't
give him a red car. The hell you can't.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Why does he get.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
A get out of Jeffrey Card and everyone else is
subject to the same rules.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Why does Tom Brady get to get the tough rule
and everybody else gets Well, see, that's.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Different because the referees in that particular moment, you know,
as far as understanding exactly what the rules said, right,
that was kind of their fault. They admitted that after
the fact that they got that that wrong. But we've
seen our fair share of blown calls in the NFL,
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so we can't really top but to see it happen
on an international stage and that particular way, knowing as
though that was Logan was one of the striker for
the Team USA, So now he's not going to play
in the next game.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Let's just say they lose. That's going to be the storyline.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I think a lot of people, because a lot of
Americans don't know the soccer rules, didn't realize that when
you get a red card, you play a man down
that game and then he gets suspended because he's he's
and then he gets out of the next next Yeah,
I think a lot of people didn't realize that.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
And it was lucky it was against Boldia. Bosnie is
a Bosian hearts.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
They're they're a four to four to two little block team.
They play hyper conservative and they really didn't have much
of a chance. They When you play like that in
soccer against a team like the US, which which is
aggressive pressing.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
In the in you know in the advanced third, you're
going to lose. And that's what happened in the United States.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Man to gut it out and win it because the
style of play that they had lent to victory in
this particular situation.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, but you can't, you can't really do that.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
See things like that that happened to sports, even if
you're not an avid fan of that particular sport. It
just needs a bad taste in your mouth when you're like, man,
I don't even want to watch anymore, you know, I
don't even want to watch.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
And it felt like FIFA was gaining so much momentum
with this American market when they've been trying to tap
into for the better part of the last twenty years.
They felt like they were making serious gains.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
And I think I think they made even more games
with that.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
You know why, because people paid attention because they're protesting
their outrage. It's the same reason in the NFL loves
having the controversial calls. Fail Mary, they love the girls,
you know why, because you're top of the A block.
You're getting talked about the next use.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
My counter to that.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Now it's a lot less likely they beat Belgium. I
think they still have a good chance. It looks like
they're still slightly favored. They'll be Belgium, but that's gonna
be at the very least a tough game, one that
Baligan would be very valuable in. If they do get
knocked out, they don't make it to the quarterfinals, it
is just another Round of sixteen USA team. You maybe
miss a chance to have a team USA team make
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their first quarterfinals.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Since I think like two thousand and two or something. Yeah,
I think they'll be Belgium. And I mean you're you
know the game, by.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
The way, that was the That game was the highest
television rated broadcast in English of a soccer.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Game in the world.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Ever, more people watched that game than any other English
peaking site that said premirely anything.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
I mean, so beating all the English broadcasts is that
really goes to show you first of.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
All, how many people we have here in America versus England.
And then second of all, you know how many people
were you know, in on that.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Well, yeah, this is how you get individuals to pretty
much buy into soccer in this country. It's like like,
for me, I'm not to a soccer fan, but I
really watched it every four years during the World Cup,
no matter who's the country. But this is a game
where Christian, you know, polistic, he's gonna have to show up.
(05:05):
He hasn't really been that guy. I know he's coming
off injury, but he's going to have to. This is
his moment, well, this is his moment to step into it.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I'm with that. I just I'm not a big fan
of his. I think he's so oft. I think he's
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
He's worth I mean, he's a he's a fairly talented
soccer player, but I also think he's not He's not
the guy you don't need somebody else to come up
and step up in my opinion, and I'd like to
see Burholter get a little bit more run off the
bench every time he comes in.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
He's so he's been a spark for this team.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Well to that extent, who do you think is that guy?
Sounds like you're confident they'll beat Belgium there down Vall again.
How do they step up and win that match?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I think stylistically they match up with It's another one
where they just match up well. The what us employees,
what do you say, employees is what's called the Gigan press.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
It's it's a German term.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
And it just means a high intensity pressure and they
pressure you down in your end.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Right, there's different there's different ways to do things in soccer.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
And I talked about having a low block a minute ago.
What that means he's posing a play. He's back in
their side of the field. They have four guys in
the back line, four guys in the midline, two guys
up front.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's four four to two.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
It's an old Russian formation and they play on a
low block, which means they're they're back there playing conservative, right.
The United Split States plays hyper aggressive uh and and
they get away with it because I think they match
up well with a team like Belgium, where you could
play aggressive uh you know, constantly pressing in the in
the late third, trying to win the turnover battle there
and and and take those shots on goal. And as
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long as you're you know, you're able to get your
pressure home and you don't run up against a team like,
for instance, Spain where they play possession football, but it's
aggressive possession football that'll that'll wear you out.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Well. The one problem that I saw even against Bosnia,
the team USA, but we're having issues because the ball
was constantly in their area of the field and Bosni
impressed them a lot. And I think it was Matt
Freeze who was the goalie in the game. I mean
he had to make several sensational blocks and bondsing it
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from scoring.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Now, you don't want to do that.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
You don't want to be in a situation where you're
kind of always on defense and your offense.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
He isn't you know.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
In strite they're not staying in some kind of rhythm
of some sort. So I mean blah ba lah, and
Tamyer says is gonna have some issues, and once again
I say, well, this is a moment where Politic can
actually step up if he wants to truly make a
name for himself, because I know coming into the World
Cup everything was about him. He's hell, he's doing a
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majority of commercials. This is a moment for him to
really step into those shoes and really.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Own this moment.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, he's America's most marketable player, most market ed player,
you know, as far as that kind of stuff goes.
But he's I mean, it's just I don't know either
are things with this game that I'm like, Ah, then
I get frustrated with as far as that kind of
stuff goes.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I will say I thought, uh, would James Harden.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Be a good comp there. I'm just trying to think
how you're describing talented and maybe I don't know, I think.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
That's not.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Also not that talented. Hey, you get what I'm I
know what you're trying to get. I'm trying to better man,
I'm trying to think better there's somebody that gets a
ton of accolades but doesn't have the doesn't have anything
that back backs it up, you know, to the production.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Back Kyler Murray.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
It just doesn't have the accolades, but it has maybe
some of the whispers that you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I'm trying to.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Think Caleb Williams maybe from.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
About how he's kind of somebody somebody who's getting it
gets a ton of run, but the production just never
back to the Lawrence maybe although last year he found
last year, if you don't count last year, that that okay,
there you go that that's probably.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Lawrence last year. So no, Trevor Lawrence is not a
good example.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
But somebody like that were the first four years.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Go back to you, James Harden. Then I go back
to you, James Harden.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well, the production doesn't match the doesn't match a play
Paul George. All right, Yeah, somebody whose production doesn't match
their you know, doesn't match.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
The legends, you know what I mean, Like, I don't
know anyway they did.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
No, you can't know.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Tatum is a dog. Yes, come on now he comes.
He's coming from uh been a Benjamin R. Bright school
of criticism. Yeah, Tatum is a dog. It's yeah, I
don't I don't know. I'm trying to think of a
player that.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I don't know. The production doesn't match their legend, and
I can't think of who that would be. Yeah, there's that.
This isn't that far a disparity.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Though.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
He's fire, he.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Just can't throw one.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
I'm a political that he's totally mechanically broke and he's
got some baseline capability.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, gosh, I don't know. Like James Worthy, right, James Worthy,
he is a Hall of Famer, revered basketball player, all
that kind of stuff. He averaged like seventeen points at
five boards a game.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
And James Worthy was that dude, man man, hey, listen.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
He was an.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Intricate part OFAs he played on.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
He played on a stacked roster and it helped carry him.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
He played his role, He played his role.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
As a role player who somehow made the Hall of Fame.
I don't like that can come on par production. I
don't like that comparison. I'm thinking with Tim Tebow.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, but this isn't that the disparity between policy, isn't
that isn't that he played with.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Got a lot of airplay. How he's still get airplay,
but his production wasn't equal to the amount of airplay that.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
He received, right, Rudy Gobert, Yeah, might that might sort
of be there a guy who's legend out paces his production.
There you go, that's pretty young. No, I'm not quite
going there with that, Rudy Gobert. I mean you get
the idea though, somebody who's you know, a player who's
uh gets all the hype in the world and you
just waiting for the waiting for the production every year?
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I know justin Herbert. Wow, that's some Hayden stuff, right
that you.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Know what I'm talking about, what we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I don't agree with him trying.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
To do.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
If Herbert is actually a choker of the playoffs, not
that it doesn't hit the production.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
No, I think he's legit in the in the regular season,
but he is the guy who a lot of that
was one of the greats.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And wait wait wait, I know be and Broncos Country.
But but we got to keep it fair.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I just can't let you have been do that because
I play Herbert is still a damn good quarterback. The
problem is, especially last season, his office line was beat up.
Now you give him a better offensive line. I bet
both of you. Both of you guys are singing a
different story.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I got one for you. Here's here's here's one for you.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
And Clowny Cloudy is a guy that said was going
to be a generational sack artist or whatever, and.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
It's hung around and he's a talented guy, but.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
That wasn't really his thing. Over Sammy Watkins, Sammy Watkins
was a guy who's sen and just didn't never match
the legend Kyle Pitts up until last year. I think
he's in the right system now, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
But you get the idea. He's not that bad.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Him.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Man, we were we were wait, wait, I'm tossing it
out that's a lot harsher. That's a lot harsher than
used to do too.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Just toss it out there and hope somebody would catch it.
Sixty percent of the time they didn't.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Oh that's the record show. We were calling haters.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
And his comps were too, And DeMarcus Russell, I'm just saying, wait.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
He's not hold the lean.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
A couple of Dimon.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Tack Oh man, those dudes were.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Just killing me.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Man.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Anyway, I do believe the US was still win that.
I do believe that they can they can Belgium. I
think they lose after that, but I do believe the
win the Belgium game.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Was that story about the coach giving Politic the game film,
the empty tape of game film, and Policic said he
watched chick left blank.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
It was a blank tape.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I love when coaches do that.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Not the only not the only ye And that's sort
of the thing.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
He's got some like I said, I it's not that
he's not a talented soccer player. He could be way
better if he'd apply himself on some things. And there's
I'm not you know, he gets a lot of hype
relative to what the productivity is for for what he
actually is. That the way around, the other way around,
all state, no sizzle would be he's is. He doesn't
get any hype, but he's he's a badass and still
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the other way around. Yeah, all sizzle mistake.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Here's a sizzle cooking back there you go back there
another back there for heat veggies. Come on, Dick.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Broncos Country Night back after this Thanks to Steve Atwater
joined us in the first hour and missed.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Any part of that.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
You go to Broncos Country Night dot com, slash podcast,
work which podcast, Apple iTunes, Spotify, the Free and Redesigned
a Heart Radio didn't nail it where you can? Uh,
you know, get the previous episodes of the Taken for.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Granted podcast as well.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
That I'm Rusty. I'm rusty.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's like Stockton just watched the ball sail abound Malone. Yeah,
Malone was not home.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Malone was arguing with the refu.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, you guys, go brucks Cutter dot com slash podcast
as usual and and catch up on all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Do you see how do you see?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah that we did not at all completely missed it.
We biffed that one so bad, did you see?
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
She said this couple that climbed the Empire State buildings
to propose or whatever.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I like, what that's that's rather extreme for a proposal?
Was that what it was? Because I thought they were
placing some flag or something.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Well, they had a flag, and everybody has turned that
flag into like different memes. But basically the the couple,
which is they considered themselves extreme rooftoppers originally from Russia,
both of them. They're they're famous extreme urban climbers. In fact,
they were the subjects of a Netflix documentary called Skywalker's
a Love Story two years ago. They unfurled a pro
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peace banner and then Ivan proposed to Angela with a
ring before NPD officers arrested them and harnessed up the safety.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Wait a minute, you are down, devils from Russia.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
You climbed the Empire State Building.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
The outside of the spire.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah, right, so you put this flag up there, climb now,
and you proposed that's one hell of her proposal.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Then you did arrest it.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yes, And what they did was they on the night
of June thirtieth, they hid inside the Empire State Building
answer purchasing tickets, and then on midday they emerged and
climbed up.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
This climb was illegal.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
They did get arrested, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Who was the last person to legally climb the outside
of the Empire State Building.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
There's a spider Man.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Actually in nineteen eighty four, Alan Robert, who was went
by the name of spider Man the Fresh Dared, was
the first.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
To do it. The last to do it was twenty
twenty three.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Actor Jared Leto did it in an effort to promote
No thirty seconds to Mars World Tour, his band's world tour.
I didn't even remember doing this.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
It doesn't seem like it was ultimately effective.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, that's so much.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Although I'm sure they had plenty of people show up
or whatever that was as far as the teim goes.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Anyway, Yeah, I saw that, and then the memes. People
have had all these banners saying different.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
It was supposedly a peace banner, trying to get Russia
to pull out of Ukraine, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Why have any harnesses on?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yes, well, I assume they did.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I don't know, Actually I say that, I don't know.
I know the police said harnessed them to get them down.
I don't know on the way up as far as
that goes. Nah, Man, they are extreme climbers. I'm not
climbing the Empire State building. I'm going to do some stuff,
dumb stuff, but I'm not doing that one. Don't tell
me I can't do it, because I'm telling you I'm
not going to do it.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Do it.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, I know I know how to do it.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But the memes that have come out of this with
a banner on Twitter are pretty funny, including quite a
few that are like, go get Lebron Denver, which seems
to be a pretty hot topic.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
On Twitter these days. Is it really that hot blazing
smokus fortune even.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
That said a lot, Ben, It's you're trying to tip
me with something without really truly saying it right now,
you ever played that game when you get close to something,
you're getting warm, you're getting cold, or whatever. Let's play
that game as it pertains to Lebron James. I mean,
we're the Nuggets in your mind sitting right now. Are
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the are the Arctic cold or they just kind of.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I would say they are more than warm?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Would that be like Phoenix warm?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I'm not gonna well, Phoenix is not warm.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
That's hot, Okay, Phoenix is is obscenely hot and ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
And why anybody wants to live there, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I will say I think there's a I think it's
a three team race, and I think Denver is one
of those three teams.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
They're one of the teams. I can believe that.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Will they be the team I can't consider them as.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I would not stay they're the favorite.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I would Again, I've talked about this several times with
you Golden State, I believe is the favorite. Uh, Cleveland
is in that mix. We'll see, But I think I
know that the the Nuggets are. They've contacted Ridge Paul
and Clutchports said that they're interested and you know, kind
of showing what they're gonna do. They interestingly, the Nuggets
have signed a couple of Clutch Sports players.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
They just signed Tyas Jones.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Yeah, but but Tights Jones on the Nuggets roster when
they lost to the Timberwolf. I remember Titus Jones being
on the court and going like, wait a minute, what
the heck's going on? Where's Jamaal Murray even saying right
next to Aaron Gordon. So, I mean this is just
for me. I'm not gonna read too much into a band.
(18:57):
It was just a player that you had on a
roster last well, he also.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Signed Marvin Bagley, who's rep by Clutch.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
All right, two Clus players.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Aaron Gordon is rep by Clutch.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
The only thing I'm gonna say, Paul.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Murray is rep by Clutch Cluts, Paul Watson is rep
by Clutch.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Clut Sports is now it now has a stranglehold on
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Right, And can't you say conflict of interests.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Absolutely, I mean, it's just any more a conflict of
interest in what Drew Rosenhaus did for years now he
doesn't have quite the market share he used to. But
you know, during his heyday in the t O days
through Rosmond also was he maqu with the same thing
as Scott Morris in baseball section in college football coaching.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah, but I don't think it was sue magnitude of
what we're seeing from Clutch sports. Like clut sports was
able to get Anthony Davis out of New Orleans, a
smaller market than Los Angeles and have him traded from
the Pelicans to the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Now they're looking to do it the same thing again,
but this it's the Wizards.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
But the Wizards doesn't seem like they're ready to play ball.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
They're not.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Look, I will say, as far as that goes, I
do believe that having too much control over league is
bad for the league.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
If an agency has that, that's said, you know, I mean,
it's certainly they've been able to maneuver and make some
interesting teams by doing that.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Do you truly want that here if you are Josh Conky,
Because the Nuggets seem to be in desperation, Mo almost
willing to do anything at this particular point.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Now.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
I know they say desperate times call for desperate measures, Ben,
but also make people do dumb things. And you've already
said that klus sports has the number of players on
the Nuggets roster. If you bring Lebron, everyone be happy.
But I'm thinking like that that would be too much
control that we've seen Lebron and Clutch Sports have over
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the Lakers, Jimmy Buss, Ropelinka, Hey, Cleveland, we've seen it there,
So now you want to bring that to the Mahai City.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I look, I think it'd be fun. I think it
would be interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I don't know that I necessarily want Lebron James here
on the Nuggets, but it would certainly bring eyeballs here,
the same way Coach Prime coming to Colorado brought Eyeballs here.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Does it mean that the Nuggets are gonna win anything?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Doesn't mean anything. It just makes it more visibly.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Attracting to where now you may have more natally televised
games than the Nicola Jokis MVP on by himself.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
And maybe that gets Nicola some more of the recognition.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Maybe that he deserves by proxy by having eyeballs on
Lebron being on the Nuggets. If that were to happen,
my questions are like, does he have to bring Bronny
with him?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
What are the other things that we're doing here? Like
what else is done?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
You already got Bronnie?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
You do if you're the Lakers, well you got guaranteed
just because he waited. But now, I mean, it's only
three points a million. There's the Lakers cut that move
on the You've got four players already here that are
repped by Clutch, already mentioned Marvin Bagma, Pat Watson, Jamal.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Maria and Gordon.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
You know, for me, I wonder, my my thing is
I wonder what like what else this entails if you
do bring in Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
You know what it entails. We've seen examples of it.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
But yeah, I gave you two teams, the Cavs and
the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Would that be a bad thing in Denver?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I guess it would be?
Speaker 3 (22:32):
My counter?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
No, And here's my thing.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
What he's pressured organizations to do consistently is push their
chips in to try and win now for him so
he can get another ring.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
If I'm being honest.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
I just I would love to see the Kronkys get
a little pressure put on them to try and make
moves to win now. The idea of Lebron James coming
in and exerting his pressure on the Kronkys to actually
like hey instead of We had Blackburn on the show
last week and he said, this team wants to get
cheaper and better, but if one of those two has
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to win out, it's gonna be cheaper. I don't mind
a guy like Lebron James coming in and going Nope,
that's not gonna fly. I've got two years left. Maybe
I need another ring for the goat debate. If I'm
coming to Denver. You guys are making other moves to
try and win now, and maybe they don't all pan out,
but at least to be trying as opposed to pack
it up shop and trying.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
To make things cheap.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Listen, I get what you're saying, and I understand why
Josh Cronkey would want to do it.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Also, Listen, Lebron is a hell of a player.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
No one can take anything away from him, but at
this stage in his career.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Let's call it what it is. Let's be fully transparent.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
He's only opted out because he's looking to get another ring.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Why because for some ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Reason, there's all this conversation about goat, this goat debt,
and I'm like, there's no conversation.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I don't even know why we have it. Lebron's clearly better.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
No he's not, then, Michael George, No he's not.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
No, no he's not. You kittting rocks because how many
titles does Michael have? The team accomplishment?
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Yes, yes, the Bulls were a much better dynasty, Yes,
I would agree there. And and who steered the ship
Michael Jordan? How many playoff series did he win without
Scottie Pippen?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
How without George? That's right? And don't forget more the
jail Blazers Mike Michael.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Yeah, yeah, more off Mike Michael took a year off
and came back.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
He came back and won the titles, championship, six finals,
and the regular.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
All this is all this is is Colatch Sports and
Lebron James trying to reposition themselves in that Goat conversation.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
When they talked legacy, that's what they're talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Look, Lebron belongs in the top ten players of all time.
The question is where, And like you know, I lived through.
I got to see Magic play, I got to see
Kobe play. I'm not sure he's better than them. Athletes
get better over time.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
He's he's one or two, but he's one or two youth.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Actually this isn.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
No, you know, like I mean, end of the day,
He's a top ten player for sure, a mortal lock
for the wole of Fame, all that kid stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Absolutely, but he was not. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I saw Jordan, Kobe, I saw this guy, and I
didn't see Will play. I didn't see Bill Russell play.
I saw a little bit of Larry Bird, I saw
Magic you know that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I don't know, man, I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Know, Zach.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Have you ever seen Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Kobe Bryant
or Michael.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Jordan's fun to get to the free throw line? Have
you ever seen that? I've never seen.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
I've also never seen them jump over a whole dude
to Duncan and I guess outside of Michael Jordan, but
Larry Bird and Magic Johnson, they weren't doing that stuff
that Lebron was. I haven't seen a lot of guys
do this stuff, lebron I haven't seen.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Michael Jordan, the top three player.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Man.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Please do not sleep on Larry Bird.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Larry Bird was you know, Larry Bird speed.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
There's plenty of stuff with bronze under Larry Bird couldn't
do so.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I don't think that's a see Larry Bird and this
to be paraphrasing, Larry Bird felt as though it was
almost a car new sin and the love of disrespect
to guard him with a white player. Larry Bird felt
that way because his game was just that clean.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Yeah, players are more athletic, by the way, competitive sports.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Jordan doing it at forty years old.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Jordan would have retired for three years for what the
second was, the second time or whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
He came back at thirty eight and was in the MVP.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Conversely, he said, like the top fifteen MVP votes and
a two time All Star at thirty eight and thirty
nine years old.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
You know the thing that separates the lot of these
players and some of the players we're talking about, it's
the mentality itself, the competitive drive. If you ever go back,
and I think the series is on Netflix, right and
this said and everything you need to say about Yes,
about Colby what he said on a rug due Powell's face,
and he actually did, and all the other guys was
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standing a stunt because guess what that show how much
she wanted to win a lot of those guys Colby
had to show them that mentality, and none of them
still didn't possess it.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
And then at like thirty four, he became a negative
towards winning. And that's why the Lakers for like the
last five years of his career won like twenty five games.
And then and then you look at it, well, yeah,
team to the NBA five with cobD thirteen twenty thirteen,
twenty fourteen season.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
When Cobe got that's when the wheel fell off at
thirty five years ocause he got hurt. It was just
wasn't the same after that, but he was. He was
the top five MVP voting at thirty four years old.
He was still averaging twenty seven point three game. It
was actually got hurt.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Just like Jerry Rice is a clear number one wide receiver,
just like Wayne Gretzky is a clear number one hockey
player of all time. Lebron and Michael Jordan are a
clear one in two and.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
See the mentality is different. Lebron has six nine two seventy.
You should be that be that way. I mean you
like magic size, all right.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
We're handicapping for size than Allen Iverson's to go.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Well, have you ever watched an All Star Game where
where Kobe Bryant did up Lebron James. Who are who's
a bigger player than him? And you know why he
did that because of the mentality?
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Well, for how heavily are we waiting All Star Game
performances here?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I mean, I mean those how about the who what
do we call about? Wait?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
As George call what happened when he said Kobe down
in an All Star Game?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Kobe said he would never as long.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
As he's a member of the Lakers and Nuggets would
never reach the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And guess what they never did.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
So that tells you his mentality because most guys now
going into All Star and they take it for granted.
That's why we see two hundred points right by each team.
When Kobe played, they were not having that. It's a mentality.
It's not just athleticism, it's the mentality.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
Where was that mentality stopping the Spurs dynasty? I mean,
I mean he did it to the Nuggts. That's great
and all, but the Spurs were of a dynasty right
there in his Western conference. It wasn't like he shut
down all challengers.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I he doesn't have.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
To shut down all challenges. Like if you look at
the games that he's played in looking look at what
he was able to do. I lived in Los Angeles, Lebron,
they called it Lebronto.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
They called it Lebronto for a half decade. He did
it to a team in his conference room. He went
to the final every year. Yes he was. I remember,
I'm a Miami heat fans. I remember when they played
the Dallas Mavericks and Lebron.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Instead of playing in the paint, and that's VALI he
became a jump shooter.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Hecame a jump right. Yeah, that's right. So once again
when we when we look at this, and I don't
say this.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
It's a Blennish like Jordan never winning the playoff series
without Scottie Pippin's.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
A blemish that kid, Michael Jordan's even with Scotty, Even
with Scotty, Mike was still the guy that everyone had.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
To stop, like Lebron was with all his super teams.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
No, he wasn't remember when they played godis say who
had the three point shot with the Menace quite.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Going down one shot? Yeah no, no, no, no no, it
wasn't just one shot. Don't dismiss Kyrie.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Irvinuk he was great, but like, look at it's taught
that finals your reference. He was talking about his Lebron
and Kyrie going off as like the best final stand
of ever. They're both averaging thirty forty points a game
during that run. Yeah, Kyrie is a big part of it,
but like the Lebron was just as active in that series.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I don't like going back.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I'm like, man, I don't even know, Like, you know,
Garnett was a baller for years, you know. I mean
it's weird. I mean people just put Lebron a number
two because of the longevity. But I'm like, he's a
great player. I'm just not sure points ever, Like because
he played for forty years, he was seventeen years.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Playing that at that high level for a long time
is incredibly impressive.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
It is not just longevity. Other his peaks insane too.
His piece of top five picos.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Easy guess what I would say it's to I think,
and that peak goes on for a decade, like I
think it twenty nineteen, twenty twenty. It probably starts around
maybe a little before they go to Miami. He had
he goes that Cavs running he's carrying, you know that
after the Big Three fell apart there in Cleveland. Yeah,
and they do the SNL skin about like and we
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got whatever Lebron needs. As long as whatever he needs
is not basketball, Lebron is.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
A great player.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Once again, we started looking at the teams the way
they were built when Michael played in the physical style
of play. It's not to say that that Lebron wouldn't
have been able to play through that era. He would
have based on his size, but it was a more
physical era when Michael played like Michael.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
The teams that Michael had.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
To go through, and you look at the time the
NBA at that.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Time, they were more physical. They weren't better though athletes.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
It's like.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Those guys would have killed us. Debate this when we
come back
And it looked like Croatia tied it up there and
then I guess the replay with it.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Was the off side sact.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
I believe that was the call.
Speaker 4 (00:07):
Now, yeah, we're talking about the innovation of the sport
and how modern day technology has helped you get a
lot of these calls, correct, because the chip in the
ball kind of gives them some indication.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
When when the player touches the ball.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
But come on, I mean we saw in the game
with the match between you know, US and Bosnia. I
mean there were two goals taking off the board for
the US because it was offsides.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Oh man, I was pissed off.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, there was a lot of things that was kind
of not to.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Mention them taking the best player off the game when
I was going with that first.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
First of all, if I'm Belogan, I've got a udo
reverse card in my pocket, just handing it to the reds,
you know, take that red card back.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That that red card was some some nonsense.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
It was because anytime, and I know I understand.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
What the bonsing and fans were thinking and even official,
but when you swow it down you're able to see
so many different things. But the problem with that was
swolling it down frame by frame and get him to steal.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
You say, okay, well, was the stepping on the ankle intentional?
I don't think if it was.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
But then even if you wanted to say that was
the case, what about Messy? Right, Messy was in the
same situation. He didn't get a red car. And I
remember Steve telling me when we were talking about this
off air, he was like, well, that's messy. You can't
give him a red car. The hell you can't.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Why does he get.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
A get out of Jeffrey Card and everyone else is
subject to the same rules.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Why does Tom Brady get to get the tough rule
and everybody else gets Well, see, that's.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Different because the referees in that particular moment, you know,
as far as understanding exactly what the rules said, right,
that was kind of their fault. They admitted that after
the fact that they got that that wrong. But we've
seen our fair share of blown calls in the NFL,
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so we can't really top but to see it happen
on an international stage and that particular way, knowing as
though that was Logan was one of the striker for
the Team USA, So now he's not going to play
in the next game.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Let's just say they lose. That's going to be the storyline.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
I think a lot of people, because a lot of
Americans don't know the soccer rules, didn't realize that when
you get a red card, you play a man down
that game and then he gets suspended because he's he's
and then he gets out of the next next Yeah,
I think a lot of people didn't realize that.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
And it was lucky it was against Boldia. Bosnie is
a Bosian hearts.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
They're they're a four to four to two little block team.
They play hyper conservative and they really didn't have much
of a chance. They When you play like that in
soccer against a team like the US, which which is
aggressive pressing.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
In the in you know in the advanced third, you're
going to lose. And that's what happened in the United States.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Man to gut it out and win it because the
style of play that they had lent to victory in
this particular situation.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, but you can't, you can't really do that.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
See things like that that happened to sports, even if
you're not an avid fan of that particular sport. It
just needs a bad taste in your mouth when you're like, man,
I don't even want to watch anymore, you know, I
don't even want to watch.
Speaker 5 (03:21):
And it felt like FIFA was gaining so much momentum
with this American market when they've been trying to tap
into for the better part of the last twenty years.
They felt like they were making serious gains.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
And I think I think they made even more games
with that.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
You know why, because people paid attention because they're protesting
their outrage. It's the same reason in the NFL loves
having the controversial calls. Fail Mary, they love the girls,
you know why, because you're top of the A block.
You're getting talked about the next use.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
My counter to that.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Now it's a lot less likely they beat Belgium. I
think they still have a good chance. It looks like
they're still slightly favored. They'll be Belgium, but that's gonna
be at the very least a tough game, one that
Baligan would be very valuable in. If they do get
knocked out, they don't make it to the quarterfinals, it
is just another Round of sixteen USA team. You maybe
miss a chance to have a team USA team make
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their first quarterfinals.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Since I think like two thousand and two or something. Yeah,
I think they'll be Belgium. And I mean you're you
know the game, by.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
The way, that was the That game was the highest
television rated broadcast in English of a soccer.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Game in the world.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Ever, more people watched that game than any other English
peaking site that said premirely anything.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
I mean, so beating all the English broadcasts is that
really goes to show you first of.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
All, how many people we have here in America versus England.
And then second of all, you know how many people
were you know, in on that.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Well, yeah, this is how you get individuals to pretty
much buy into soccer in this country. It's like like,
for me, I'm not to a soccer fan, but I
really watched it every four years during the World Cup,
no matter who's the country. But this is a game
where Christian, you know, polistic, he's gonna have to show up.
(05:05):
He hasn't really been that guy. I know he's coming
off injury, but he's going to have to. This is
his moment, well, this is his moment to step into it.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
I'm with that. I just I'm not a big fan
of his. I think he's so oft. I think he's
I don't think.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
He's worth I mean, he's a he's a fairly talented
soccer player, but I also think he's not He's not
the guy you don't need somebody else to come up
and step up in my opinion, and I'd like to
see Burholter get a little bit more run off the
bench every time he comes in.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
He's so he's been a spark for this team.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Well to that extent, who do you think is that guy?
Sounds like you're confident they'll beat Belgium there down Vall again.
How do they step up and win that match?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I think stylistically they match up with It's another one
where they just match up well. The what us employees,
what do you say, employees is what's called the Gigan press.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
It's it's a German term.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
And it just means a high intensity pressure and they
pressure you down in your end.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Right, there's different there's different ways to do things in soccer.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
And I talked about having a low block a minute ago.
What that means he's posing a play. He's back in
their side of the field. They have four guys in
the back line, four guys in the midline, two guys
up front.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's four four to two.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
It's an old Russian formation and they play on a
low block, which means they're they're back there playing conservative, right.
The United Split States plays hyper aggressive uh and and
they get away with it because I think they match
up well with a team like Belgium, where you could
play aggressive uh you know, constantly pressing in the in
the late third, trying to win the turnover battle there
and and and take those shots on goal. And as
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long as you're you know, you're able to get your
pressure home and you don't run up against a team like,
for instance, Spain where they play possession football, but it's
aggressive possession football that'll that'll wear you out.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Well. The one problem that I saw even against Bosnia,
the team USA, but we're having issues because the ball
was constantly in their area of the field and Bosni
impressed them a lot. And I think it was Matt
Freeze who was the goalie in the game. I mean
he had to make several sensational blocks and bondsing it
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from scoring.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Now, you don't want to do that.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
You don't want to be in a situation where you're
kind of always on defense and your offense.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
He isn't you know.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
In strite they're not staying in some kind of rhythm
of some sort. So I mean blah ba lah, and
Tamyer says is gonna have some issues, and once again
I say, well, this is a moment where Politic can
actually step up if he wants to truly make a
name for himself, because I know coming into the World
Cup everything was about him. He's hell, he's doing a
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majority of commercials. This is a moment for him to
really step into those shoes and really.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Own this moment.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, he's America's most marketable player, most market ed player,
you know, as far as that kind of stuff goes.
But he's I mean, it's just I don't know either
are things with this game that I'm like, Ah, then
I get frustrated with as far as that kind of
stuff goes.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I will say I thought, uh, would James Harden.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Be a good comp there. I'm just trying to think
how you're describing talented and maybe I don't know, I think.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
That's not.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Also not that talented. Hey, you get what I'm I
know what you're trying to get. I'm trying to better man,
I'm trying to think better there's somebody that gets a
ton of accolades but doesn't have the doesn't have anything
that back backs it up, you know, to the production.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Back Kyler Murray.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
It just doesn't have the accolades, but it has maybe
some of the whispers that you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I'm trying to.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Think Caleb Williams maybe from.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
About how he's kind of somebody somebody who's getting it
gets a ton of run, but the production just never
back to the Lawrence maybe although last year he found
last year, if you don't count last year, that that okay,
there you go that that's probably.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Lawrence last year. So no, Trevor Lawrence is not a
good example.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
But somebody like that were the first four years.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Go back to you, James Harden. Then I go back
to you, James Harden.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well, the production doesn't match the doesn't match a play
Paul George. All right, Yeah, somebody whose production doesn't match
their you know, doesn't match.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
The legends, you know what I mean, Like, I don't
know anyway they did.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
No, you can't know.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Tatum is a dog. Yes, come on now he comes.
He's coming from uh been a Benjamin R. Bright school
of criticism. Yeah, Tatum is a dog. It's yeah, I
don't I don't know. I'm trying to think of a
player that.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I don't know. The production doesn't match their legend, and
I can't think of who that would be. Yeah, there's that.
This isn't that far a disparity.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Though.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
He's fire, he.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Just can't throw one.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
I'm a political that he's totally mechanically broke and he's
got some baseline capability.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, gosh, I don't know. Like James Worthy, right, James Worthy,
he is a Hall of Famer, revered basketball player, all
that kind of stuff. He averaged like seventeen points at
five boards a game.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
And James Worthy was that dude, man man, hey, listen.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
He was an.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Intricate part OFAs he played on.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
He played on a stacked roster and it helped carry him.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
He played his role, He played his role.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
As a role player who somehow made the Hall of Fame.
I don't like that can come on par production. I
don't like that comparison. I'm thinking with Tim Tebow.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, but this isn't that the disparity between policy, isn't
that isn't that he played with.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Got a lot of airplay. How he's still get airplay,
but his production wasn't equal to the amount of airplay that.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
He received, right, Rudy Gobert, Yeah, might that might sort
of be there a guy who's legend out paces his production.
There you go, that's pretty young. No, I'm not quite
going there with that, Rudy Gobert. I mean you get
the idea though, somebody who's you know, a player who's
uh gets all the hype in the world and you
just waiting for the waiting for the production every year?
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I know justin Herbert. Wow, that's some Hayden stuff, right
that you.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Know what I'm talking about, what we're talking about.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I don't agree with him trying.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
To do.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
If Herbert is actually a choker of the playoffs, not
that it doesn't hit the production.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
No, I think he's legit in the in the regular season,
but he is the guy who a lot of that
was one of the greats.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And wait wait wait, I know be and Broncos Country.
But but we got to keep it fair.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I just can't let you have been do that because
I play Herbert is still a damn good quarterback. The
problem is, especially last season, his office line was beat up.
Now you give him a better offensive line. I bet
both of you. Both of you guys are singing a
different story.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I got one for you. Here's here's here's one for you.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
And Clowny Cloudy is a guy that said was going
to be a generational sack artist or whatever, and.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
It's hung around and he's a talented guy, but.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
That wasn't really his thing. Over Sammy Watkins, Sammy Watkins
was a guy who's sen and just didn't never match
the legend Kyle Pitts up until last year. I think
he's in the right system now, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
But you get the idea. He's not that bad.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Him.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Man, we were we were wait, wait, I'm tossing it
out that's a lot harsher. That's a lot harsher than
used to do too.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Just toss it out there and hope somebody would catch it.
Sixty percent of the time they didn't.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Oh that's the record show. We were calling haters.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
And his comps were too, And DeMarcus Russell, I'm just saying, wait.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
He's not hold the lean.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
A couple of Dimon.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Tack Oh man, those dudes were.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Just killing me.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Man.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Anyway, I do believe the US was still win that.
I do believe that they can they can Belgium. I
think they lose after that, but I do believe the
win the Belgium game.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Was that story about the coach giving Politic the game film,
the empty tape of game film, and Policic said he
watched chick left blank.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
It was a blank tape.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I love when coaches do that.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Not the only not the only ye And that's sort
of the thing.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
He's got some like I said, I it's not that
he's not a talented soccer player. He could be way
better if he'd apply himself on some things. And there's
I'm not you know, he gets a lot of hype
relative to what the productivity is for for what he
actually is. That the way around, the other way around,
all state, no sizzle would be he's is. He doesn't
get any hype, but he's he's a badass and still
(13:27):
the other way around. Yeah, all sizzle mistake.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Here's a sizzle cooking back there you go back there
another back there for heat veggies. Come on, Dick.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Broncos Country Night back after this Thanks to Steve Atwater
joined us in the first hour and missed.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Any part of that.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
You go to Broncos Country Night dot com, slash podcast,
work which podcast, Apple iTunes, Spotify, the Free and Redesigned
a Heart Radio didn't nail it where you can? Uh,
you know, get the previous episodes of the Taken for.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Granted podcast as well.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
That I'm Rusty. I'm rusty.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's like Stockton just watched the ball sail abound Malone. Yeah,
Malone was not home.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Malone was arguing with the refu.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, you guys, go brucks Cutter dot com slash podcast
as usual and and catch up on all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Do you see how do you see?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah that we did not at all completely missed it.
We biffed that one so bad, did you see?
Speaker 6 (14:23):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
She said this couple that climbed the Empire State buildings
to propose or whatever.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I like, what that's that's rather extreme for a proposal?
Was that what it was? Because I thought they were
placing some flag or something.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Well, they had a flag, and everybody has turned that
flag into like different memes. But basically the the couple,
which is they considered themselves extreme rooftoppers originally from Russia,
both of them. They're they're famous extreme urban climbers. In fact,
they were the subjects of a Netflix documentary called Skywalker's
a Love Story two years ago. They unfurled a pro
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peace banner and then Ivan proposed to Angela with a
ring before NPD officers arrested them and harnessed up the safety.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Wait a minute, you are down, devils from Russia.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
You climbed the Empire State Building.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
The outside of the spire.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah, right, so you put this flag up there, climb now,
and you proposed that's one hell of her proposal.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Then you did arrest it.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yes, And what they did was they on the night
of June thirtieth, they hid inside the Empire State Building
answer purchasing tickets, and then on midday they emerged and
climbed up.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
This climb was illegal.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
They did get arrested, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Who was the last person to legally climb the outside
of the Empire State Building.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
There's a spider Man.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Actually in nineteen eighty four, Alan Robert, who was went
by the name of spider Man the Fresh Dared, was
the first.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
To do it. The last to do it was twenty
twenty three.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Actor Jared Leto did it in an effort to promote
No thirty seconds to Mars World Tour, his band's world tour.
I didn't even remember doing this.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
It doesn't seem like it was ultimately effective.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, that's so much.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Although I'm sure they had plenty of people show up
or whatever that was as far as the teim goes.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Anyway, Yeah, I saw that, and then the memes. People
have had all these banners saying different.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
It was supposedly a peace banner, trying to get Russia
to pull out of Ukraine, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Why have any harnesses on?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yes, well, I assume they did.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I don't know, Actually I say that, I don't know.
I know the police said harnessed them to get them down.
I don't know on the way up as far as
that goes. Nah, Man, they are extreme climbers. I'm not
climbing the Empire State building. I'm going to do some stuff,
dumb stuff, but I'm not doing that one. Don't tell
me I can't do it, because I'm telling you I'm
not going to do it.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Do it.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, I know I know how to do it.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But the memes that have come out of this with
a banner on Twitter are pretty funny, including quite a
few that are like, go get Lebron Denver, which seems
to be a pretty hot topic.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
On Twitter these days. Is it really that hot blazing
smokus fortune even.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
That said a lot, Ben, It's you're trying to tip
me with something without really truly saying it right now,
you ever played that game when you get close to something,
you're getting warm, you're getting cold, or whatever. Let's play
that game as it pertains to Lebron James. I mean,
we're the Nuggets in your mind sitting right now. Are
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the are the Arctic cold or they just kind of.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I would say they are more than warm?
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Would that be like Phoenix warm?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I'm not gonna well, Phoenix is not warm.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
That's hot, Okay, Phoenix is is obscenely hot and ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
And why anybody wants to live there, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I will say I think there's a I think it's
a three team race, and I think Denver is one
of those three teams.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
They're one of the teams. I can believe that.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Will they be the team I can't consider them as.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I would not stay they're the favorite.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I would Again, I've talked about this several times with
you Golden State, I believe is the favorite. Uh, Cleveland
is in that mix. We'll see, But I think I
know that the the Nuggets are. They've contacted Ridge Paul
and Clutchports said that they're interested and you know, kind
of showing what they're gonna do. They interestingly, the Nuggets
have signed a couple of Clutch Sports players.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
They just signed Tyas Jones.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Yeah, but but Tights Jones on the Nuggets roster when
they lost to the Timberwolf. I remember Titus Jones being
on the court and going like, wait a minute, what
the heck's going on? Where's Jamaal Murray even saying right
next to Aaron Gordon. So, I mean this is just
for me. I'm not gonna read too much into a band.
(18:57):
It was just a player that you had on a
roster last well, he also.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Signed Marvin Bagley, who's rep by Clutch.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
All right, two Clus players.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Aaron Gordon is rep by Clutch.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
The only thing I'm gonna say, Paul.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Murray is rep by Clutch Cluts, Paul Watson is rep
by Clutch.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Clut Sports is now it now has a stranglehold on
the NBA.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Right, And can't you say conflict of interests.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Absolutely, I mean, it's just any more a conflict of
interest in what Drew Rosenhaus did for years now he
doesn't have quite the market share he used to. But
you know, during his heyday in the t O days
through Rosmond also was he maqu with the same thing
as Scott Morris in baseball section in college football coaching.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Yeah, but I don't think it was sue magnitude of
what we're seeing from Clutch sports. Like clut sports was
able to get Anthony Davis out of New Orleans, a
smaller market than Los Angeles and have him traded from
the Pelicans to the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Now they're looking to do it the same thing again,
but this it's the Wizards.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
But the Wizards doesn't seem like they're ready to play ball.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
They're not.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Look, I will say, as far as that goes, I
do believe that having too much control over league is
bad for the league.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
If an agency has that, that's said, you know, I mean,
it's certainly they've been able to maneuver and make some
interesting teams by doing that.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Do you truly want that here if you are Josh Conky,
Because the Nuggets seem to be in desperation, Mo almost
willing to do anything at this particular point.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Now.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
I know they say desperate times call for desperate measures, Ben,
but also make people do dumb things. And you've already
said that klus sports has the number of players on
the Nuggets roster. If you bring Lebron, everyone be happy.
But I'm thinking like that that would be too much
control that we've seen Lebron and Clutch Sports have over
(21:03):
the Lakers, Jimmy Buss, Ropelinka, Hey, Cleveland, we've seen it there,
So now you want to bring that to the Mahai City.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I look, I think it'd be fun. I think it
would be interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I don't know that I necessarily want Lebron James here
on the Nuggets, but it would certainly bring eyeballs here,
the same way Coach Prime coming to Colorado brought Eyeballs here.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Does it mean that the Nuggets are gonna win anything?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Doesn't mean anything. It just makes it more visibly.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Attracting to where now you may have more natally televised
games than the Nicola Jokis MVP on by himself.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
And maybe that gets Nicola some more of the recognition.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Maybe that he deserves by proxy by having eyeballs on
Lebron being on the Nuggets. If that were to happen,
my questions are like, does he have to bring Bronny
with him?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
What are the other things that we're doing here? Like
what else is done?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
You already got Bronnie?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
You do if you're the Lakers, well you got guaranteed
just because he waited. But now, I mean, it's only
three points a million. There's the Lakers cut that move
on the You've got four players already here that are
repped by Clutch, already mentioned Marvin Bagma, Pat Watson, Jamal.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Maria and Gordon.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
You know, for me, I wonder, my my thing is
I wonder what like what else this entails if you
do bring in Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
You know what it entails. We've seen examples of it.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
But yeah, I gave you two teams, the Cavs and
the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Would that be a bad thing in Denver?
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I guess it would be?
Speaker 3 (22:32):
My counter?
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
No, And here's my thing.
Speaker 5 (22:34):
What he's pressured organizations to do consistently is push their
chips in to try and win now for him so
he can get another ring.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
If I'm being honest.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
I just I would love to see the Kronkys get
a little pressure put on them to try and make
moves to win now. The idea of Lebron James coming
in and exerting his pressure on the Kronkys to actually
like hey instead of We had Blackburn on the show
last week and he said, this team wants to get
cheaper and better, but if one of those two has
(23:04):
to win out, it's gonna be cheaper. I don't mind
a guy like Lebron James coming in and going Nope,
that's not gonna fly. I've got two years left. Maybe
I need another ring for the goat debate. If I'm
coming to Denver. You guys are making other moves to
try and win now, and maybe they don't all pan out,
but at least to be trying as opposed to pack
it up shop and trying.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
To make things cheap.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Listen, I get what you're saying, and I understand why
Josh Cronkey would want to do it.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Also, Listen, Lebron is a hell of a player.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
No one can take anything away from him, but at
this stage in his career.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Let's call it what it is. Let's be fully transparent.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
He's only opted out because he's looking to get another ring.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Why because for some ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Reason, there's all this conversation about goat, this goat debt,
and I'm like, there's no conversation.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
I don't even know why we have it. Lebron's clearly better.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
No he's not, then, Michael George, No he's not.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
No, no he's not. You kittting rocks because how many
titles does Michael have? The team accomplishment?
Speaker 5 (24:11):
Yes, yes, the Bulls were a much better dynasty, Yes,
I would agree there. And and who steered the ship
Michael Jordan? How many playoff series did he win without
Scottie Pippen?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
How without George? That's right? And don't forget more the
jail Blazers Mike Michael.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Yeah, yeah, more off Mike Michael took a year off
and came back.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
He came back and won the titles, championship, six finals,
and the regular.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
All this is all this is is Colatch Sports and
Lebron James trying to reposition themselves in that Goat conversation.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
When they talked legacy, that's what they're talking about.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Look, Lebron belongs in the top ten players of all time.
The question is where, And like you know, I lived through.
I got to see Magic play, I got to see
Kobe play. I'm not sure he's better than them. Athletes
get better over time.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
He's he's one or two, but he's one or two youth.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Actually this isn.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
No, you know, like I mean, end of the day,
He's a top ten player for sure, a mortal lock
for the wole of Fame, all that kid stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Absolutely, but he was not. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I saw Jordan, Kobe, I saw this guy, and I
didn't see Will play. I didn't see Bill Russell play.
I saw a little bit of Larry Bird, I saw
Magic you know that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I don't know, man, I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Know, Zach.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Have you ever seen Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Kobe Bryant
or Michael.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Jordan's fun to get to the free throw line? Have
you ever seen that? I've never seen.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
I've also never seen them jump over a whole dude
to Duncan and I guess outside of Michael Jordan, but
Larry Bird and Magic Johnson, they weren't doing that stuff
that Lebron was. I haven't seen a lot of guys
do this stuff, lebron I haven't seen.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
Michael Jordan, the top three player.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Man.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Please do not sleep on Larry Bird.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Larry Bird was you know, Larry Bird speed.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
There's plenty of stuff with bronze under Larry Bird couldn't
do so.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I don't think that's a see Larry Bird and this
to be paraphrasing, Larry Bird felt as though it was
almost a car new sin and the love of disrespect
to guard him with a white player. Larry Bird felt
that way because his game was just that clean.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Yeah, players are more athletic, by the way, competitive sports.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Jordan doing it at forty years old.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Jordan would have retired for three years for what the
second was, the second time or whatever.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
He came back at thirty eight and was in the MVP.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Conversely, he said, like the top fifteen MVP votes and
a two time All Star at thirty eight and thirty
nine years old.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
You know the thing that separates the lot of these
players and some of the players we're talking about, it's
the mentality itself, the competitive drive. If you ever go back,
and I think the series is on Netflix, right and
this said and everything you need to say about Yes,
about Colby what he said on a rug due Powell's face,
and he actually did, and all the other guys was
(27:08):
standing a stunt because guess what that show how much
she wanted to win a lot of those guys Colby
had to show them that mentality, and none of them
still didn't possess it.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
And then at like thirty four, he became a negative
towards winning. And that's why the Lakers for like the
last five years of his career won like twenty five games.
And then and then you look at it, well, yeah,
team to the NBA five with cobD thirteen twenty thirteen,
twenty fourteen season.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
When Cobe got that's when the wheel fell off at
thirty five years ocause he got hurt. It was just
wasn't the same after that, but he was. He was
the top five MVP voting at thirty four years old.
He was still averaging twenty seven point three game. It
was actually got hurt.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
Just like Jerry Rice is a clear number one wide receiver,
just like Wayne Gretzky is a clear number one hockey
player of all time. Lebron and Michael Jordan are a
clear one in two and.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
See the mentality is different. Lebron has six nine two seventy.
You should be that be that way. I mean you
like magic size, all right.
Speaker 5 (28:06):
We're handicapping for size than Allen Iverson's to go.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Well, have you ever watched an All Star Game where
where Kobe Bryant did up Lebron James. Who are who's
a bigger player than him? And you know why he
did that because of the mentality?
Speaker 5 (28:18):
Well, for how heavily are we waiting All Star Game
performances here?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I mean, I mean those how about the who what
do we call about? Wait?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
As George call what happened when he said Kobe down
in an All Star Game?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Kobe said he would never as long.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
As he's a member of the Lakers and Nuggets would
never reach the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And guess what they never did.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
So that tells you his mentality because most guys now
going into All Star and they take it for granted.
That's why we see two hundred points right by each team.
When Kobe played, they were not having that. It's a mentality.
It's not just athleticism, it's the mentality.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
Where was that mentality stopping the Spurs dynasty? I mean,
I mean he did it to the Nuggts. That's great
and all, but the Spurs were of a dynasty right
there in his Western conference. It wasn't like he shut
down all challengers.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I he doesn't have.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
To shut down all challenges. Like if you look at
the games that he's played in looking look at what
he was able to do. I lived in Los Angeles, Lebron,
they called it Lebronto.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
They called it Lebronto for a half decade. He did
it to a team in his conference room. He went
to the final every year. Yes he was. I remember,
I'm a Miami heat fans. I remember when they played
the Dallas Mavericks and Lebron.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Instead of playing in the paint, and that's VALI he
became a jump shooter.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Hecame a jump right. Yeah, that's right. So once again
when we when we look at this, and I don't
say this.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
It's a Blennish like Jordan never winning the playoff series
without Scottie Pippin's.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
A blemish that kid, Michael Jordan's even with Scotty, Even
with Scotty, Mike was still the guy that everyone had.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
To stop, like Lebron was with all his super teams.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
No, he wasn't remember when they played godis say who
had the three point shot with the Menace quite.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Going down one shot? Yeah no, no, no, no no, it
wasn't just one shot. Don't dismiss Kyrie.
Speaker 5 (30:09):
Irvinuk he was great, but like, look at it's taught
that finals your reference. He was talking about his Lebron
and Kyrie going off as like the best final stand
of ever. They're both averaging thirty forty points a game
during that run. Yeah, Kyrie is a big part of it,
but like the Lebron was just as active in that series.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I don't like going back.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I'm like, man, I don't even know, Like, you know,
Garnett was a baller for years, you know. I mean
it's weird. I mean people just put Lebron a number
two because of the longevity. But I'm like, he's a
great player. I'm just not sure points ever, Like because
he played for forty years, he was seventeen years.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
Playing that at that high level for a long time
is incredibly impressive.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
It is not just longevity. Other his peaks insane too.
His piece of top five picos.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Easy guess what I would say it's to I think,
and that peak goes on for a decade, like I
think it twenty nineteen, twenty twenty. It probably starts around
maybe a little before they go to Miami. He had
he goes that Cavs running he's carrying, you know that
after the Big Three fell apart there in Cleveland. Yeah,
and they do the SNL skin about like and we
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got whatever Lebron needs. As long as whatever he needs
is not basketball, Lebron is.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
A great player.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Once again, we started looking at the teams the way
they were built when Michael played in the physical style
of play. It's not to say that that Lebron wouldn't
have been able to play through that era. He would
have based on his size, but it was a more
physical era when Michael played like Michael.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
The teams that Michael had.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
To go through, and you look at the time the
NBA at that.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Time, they were more physical. They weren't better though athletes.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
It's like.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Those guys would have killed us. Debate this when we
come back
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