07-07-26 Hour 1 of Broncos Country Tonight with Steve Atwater

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
They're producing five six sixty nine zero. The text line,
I got to ask you, guys, just right out of
the gate, what was your favorite part of the Belichick
era as a Broncos head coach.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
You don't know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Seth Wickerson ESBN wrote an article The Deep Dive, really
and mostly the week leading up to the Buffalo and
the New England games last year, but it touches on
some other things. There's a giant pull quote in there
about how Broncos head coach Sean Payton was trying to
engineer some sort of way for Bill Belichick to come

(00:33):
in take over as head coach while he would be
assistant head coach, get the win record of fifteen wins,
and then turn around and and vacate that. Now, he
never approached the penners with this. They make this seem
like it's a big deal of the article. He never
approached anybody with this as I heard of it. That idea,
though it was some idea in his head, whether that's
real or not or part of the mythology, it was
something that he certainly told Seth.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I'll say, okay, well, even though he told.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Seth and he told him So I'm not going to
say that it wasn't true or not.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Here's what I would say. I got a couple of
things for you.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
First of all, wouldn't that threatened integrity of the game
within itself to do something like that, because you're only
bringing back Belichick for him to get those fifteen twenty
wins to surpass to get the wins don shure either way. Still, yeah,
you still got to get the wins. But the reason
that you're bringing you man for me would be threatened

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and integrity of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Also, here's what that would have meant.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
We know Sean Payton talks to Bill Parcels a lot,
So you bring in Bill Belichick. Now we get the
ESPN version of the two Bills once again. And then
also that means Jordan Hudson would have been a part
of the Broncos media in a certain sense if Bill
Belichick had come along.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, there's that we could have had.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
We could have had off it, you know, we had
Russe and cr we could have done you know, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
I don't think that it is my opinion based on.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
People I talk to you today, that this whole story
is more out of the imagination of Sean Payton than
it is grounded in any sort of reality.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
He never approached anybody about this.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
I guess the thing that the first thing that jumped
out to me was why did in New England do that?

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Or one of the teams that he coached for bring
back Belishik? Well, they just fired him the team that
he coached for.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Why would we in the AFC West, the Denver Broncos,
why would we do that? And I understand, I understand
that part of it, But other than that, there's no
other reason why we.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Would do that.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Okay, Well call this tenfoil hat theory, right que que
the music for X files. But think about it. You
got Sean Payton and Bill Belishik. What is it that
these two coaches have in common?

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Parcels is a mentor there you go?

Speaker 3 (02:47):
So I'm thinking, okay, could there have been a conversation
between Sean Payton and Bill Parcells on one of those
phone calls where either man brought that up and say, Okay,
here's what we could do for Bill Belichick.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
But it's like, well, why would you do that? Right?

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Why?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Why would why would you do that? In essence?

Speaker 3 (03:06):
Because could this have been maybe Bill Belichick's or Bill
Parcell excuse me way of trying to help Bill Belichick
out one final time, because think about the premise, the idea,
even though being saying that it wasn't said to anyone else,
was just said that said.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
The idea of winning, bringing.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Him in to win those games, even though you have
to win them to surpass Don Shue as winning his coach.
To me, I still think from an integery standpoint.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
It would mean that would be clean. I think I
don't think it's clean.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
But nothing about either one of those two guys, Sean
Payton or Bill Belichick, is exactly clean.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Let's be honest.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
And then to have your head coach step down and
take a lesser position.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Come on a lesser position, and if you were to
do that, that means as though then it probably wouldn't
be less to probably be equal.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
But okay, well he said, yeah, demote himself to a
like Guys, I'm gonna tell you this is something that
Sean Payton just dream dop and it's it's a pull
quote for this article, and that's great, but it's not
something that was ever grounded in reality.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
But I tell you, I think that Sean is the
type of guy who would do.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
That what's set down, just.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Who would make that sacrifice, so to speak, and also
be helping one of his one of his Uh.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
I don't believe to think about what that would actually suggest,
even though it didn't take place. Sean would be calling
the offense as an assistant coach, stepping down to put
Bill Belichick in a particular position. Did you know who
was a defensive coordinator for the Broncos at that time?

Speaker 2 (04:37):
It was Van Shows. You're creating a lot of chaos
and confusing.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
With you punt Vance and Bill Belichick would be your
defensive coordinator who had titled his head coach, so that.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
If it would work. If you're a guy is out
of the locker room and you like Vance and you
like his.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
System, now you're a little fortird about what just happened.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah, And and the way you know you played with
Belichi Belichick, I played for Parcels. Yeah, I play with
Belichick and Belichick he coaches different now, he.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Different, you know what? And a lot of these NOO
style players. Yeah, I don't want to want any part
of that old school you know. Yeah, listen, great coach.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Now, don't get me wrong, but look, sometimes the younger
players don't drive with that.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
I can tell you a lot of today's players wouldn't
have been able to handle Bill Belichick or Bill Parcells.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
They wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Like when I think about Sean and I see coach
Peyton do certain things and certain say say certain things.
I think mentally, that's something that Parcels would do or
would say. And a lot of that Parcells have said
over the years that I've heard.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
I hear them come out and Sean Payton and I'm like,
I don't know, I don't know. But for for me,
the delivery is totally different. The delivery is different. Message
it's still somewhat the same because I don't know.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Man toys Sean toys with the Denver media like a
cat playing with his food, right, And there's a.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Lot of lass.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
There's even an anecdote about that about how he you know,
Luca with the Downhill linebacking question, how he bid into
Luca for that, you know, for that.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Question, like what would you know about Downhill?

Speaker 1 (06:19):
You know, I'm like that, man, I'm glad you didn't
do that to me because I have said something back
oh see.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
And Parcels would have handled that entirely different with Luca,
and he would have handled it different with you. Yeah,
and I would sign me up for the back and
forth tennis matches. Who's going to have the last word
because I can tell you what parcel yeah, oh yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
But I mean it's one of those things like like,
you know, I may not be the world's foremost expert,
but I can tell you.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
You know, if you're having that question, but I got
room downhill, what is gap assign It's already have that question.
I know that topic. We have that conversation.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
But the thing is, you got always always remember this.
When they apt to put him, they got the mic, yeah,
callers on the show.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Stuff like that. I was like, at the end of the day,
I'm the one with the biketphone. Keep going.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
It's like it's like when you go to the comedy
show and there's someone in the audience I think that
I think that they're the comedian and they forget that
the guy on stage.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
You think that guy has just seen every act.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
In before you, and you know what that That's the
one thing I do love about Sean Payton because when
I go to Uh, these press conferences. I just sit
there and I listen. I don't ask the question. I
listen to who's asking what questions, but more importantly, how
he's responding.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
And I say to myself, man.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
That's exactly how Bill Parcells would have answered that question
with the words, with the words, not the harsh criticism,
but with the words.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Now, listen, Steve, You've been out there and there's.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Been certain ridiculous questions that have been asked.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
People look at you, what are you? What the heck
are you talking to?

Speaker 4 (08:00):
You know what I'm I mean something today extends Those
wouldn't be exact.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
Words, but Sean has a very yeah, livery and how
he's able.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
To do it.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
And meanwhile, I'm just laughing because I'm like, man, I
am watching somewhat of a younger version of.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Bill Parcells saw a lot milder.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
I also, you saw something different than I saw it,
because I am.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
That article, which you guys can read's out there if
you find my my Twitter account. I got it retweeted
on there somewhere too. I think this is the thing
that's interesting to meet is everybody's focusing on this Belichick story,
which isn't real but.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
There's more things in there. There's a lot fascinating to me.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
First of all, last year we had this debate about
who the Broncos didn't want to play. Sean Payton trade
out did not want to play the Chargers. And I'm
not saying he's scared of Jim Harball, but he certainly
has a healthy respect for Harball for what Harball has
done to him.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Mostly course of their career. We got to place year.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Well, I'm just saying, well, Sean Payton has what two
I think two career wins over Harbor one Lances quarterback.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
Okay, okay, Steve, you're not both playing in the league
alone time and maybe you there wasn't a guy or
a team that you faced. But I know in my
years there were guys and there were teams that'd be like, man,
this is gonna.

Speaker 4 (09:18):
Be a tough one in Paris Sanders there you go, right,
and even I'm not gonna lie bro Napoleon Koffman Man, Yeah,
load he was.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
He was just too fast.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yes, he was fast, and once you got to it
was daylight.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Being saying there is some truth to it.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
There.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
There's a team where coach you may not want to
play against because that coach has your number, and a
lot of things that you come with on either side
of the ball, you run into some difficulties that that's happened.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
They were talking about, and I'll give you the quote
from the article. They were talking about how everything in
the playoffs was coming up Denver, like there a certain
quarterbacks that make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Mahomes was injured the Borough.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
And you know that kind of stuff, and had justin
Herbert and the Chargers the playoff team.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Peyton wanted to face the least.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
So specifically quoting Sean Payton is saying he least wanted
to play.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
The Chargers lost in the opening round.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Everything came up Dever, and I just thought that was
fascinating because we've known for a while that horriball Harball
has had Sean Payton's number. But it was interesting to
see Peyton, uh to have that big reference in the article.
It's sort of buried. If you weren't paying attention, you
probably didn't pick that up. And I saw that, and
I'm like, man, you know, okay, hey, I.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Ain't gonna lie. Austin didn't didn't want to see him either.
I I did not want to see that didn't any
part of that overclouding me because Herbert choked against the
was the Texans last year. You know, Okay, we're.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Real, recognized real, And here's what Sean is as being
a former quarterback, here's what coach Payton is thinking. Regardless
of the deficiencies that we saw with the offensive line
and they sustained a lot of injuries on the offensive
line for the charges. You look at the win total,
the Broncos had three more wins than the Chargers last

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season with the banged up offensive line.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Just keep that in mind and Lance starting game.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
We won that game against him because the QB almost
game right, So you're talking about opponent that Sean Payton
is saying, Okay, well he didn't want to face. And
guess what they got better this offseason because they added
Mike McDaniels to their coaches. And I know what Mike

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McDaniels is capable of because I saw it as a
member of the forty.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Nine ers coaching staff. Yes, we went down there Miami.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
What what year was that was running the defense a
couple of years ago.

Speaker 5 (11:41):
So you on defense and might be Daniel on the
offense and we on Boat it was Raheem Moster and
a change. Yes, and think about what the Chargers have.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
This is not Charges Radio, but I think it is
well for us.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
To sound like it. Well real respect, real real recognized
that game.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
You have to recognize it because that's the team that
you're going to have to face. That's the team that
you're going to have to beat in the division. Because
I'm not worried about Kansas City, I'm not either. They're
not worried about the Raiders. The charges of the team
that you need to definitely be worried about and concerned with.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
They were, they would and they beached up the interior
of that line they had it might be Daniel and
Adam Gage they got. I'm telling you, man that that's
the one you got to watch for, and that Sean
Payton already recognized that.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I mean, that's that's reference in the article. Do you
have any speedy receivers the way they had down to Miami.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Yeah, you're Quentin Johnson. They got two tight ends. They
got Quinton Johnston. They've got Lad mccacky over there. Mccaucky
is you know, you worked slot, but you got Quitting
Johnson on the outside and they get Trey Harris, the
second your player. All you got David, they added Joku,
they got my guy, and they added Charlie khars A
blocking time no I got.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
I got to give him a boy. Now, now you
know our defense. We don't play around either. Now I
know they they that was that was that was that
was a winding to go when they were in Miami.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Now I'm just don't think I can't see that happening.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Bro Well, I'm just I'm just thinking about a scheme standpoint. Yeah,
it was great out now Vance Joseph could do some
things leading up to that game and change the total outcome.
But I'm just saying that is not a fly over
team that you're just going to dismiss because once again
they had injured offensive linemen.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
If they're at full strength.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
I would love to see the Broncos at full strength
and the Chargers at full strength, so we'll.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Get a chance.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
But like Ben said, there were so many things buried
within this article that I hope people.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Paid attention to, well more than I wanted to get
to here, because I think this one is especially getting
glossed over by everybody, and it's talking about their working relationship.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
O Nix and Sean Payton.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
And this is not just because Peyton and Knicks had
a blow up on the sideline against the Raiders days after.
The quarterback had asked the coach how long he'd keep
calling plays and Peyton said eight nine years. Then they
disagreed over whether to be aggressive to the goal line
and shout each other, and Peyton ended it by screaming,
you know the question you asked me the other day. Right now,
it feels like one or two years if this continues.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Ooh, say b Nickson about early and Bonnicks was like
going be into your brother man.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Butt's see.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
When you look at this surface level, thirty thousand foot view,
you're like, oh, man, the complications that are going between
the head coach playing the caller and the quarterback. But
these things are healthy, believe it or not. Right, you
don't want to have a lot of these situations, but
you want to understand that your young quarterback is passionate.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
He still wants to win. You have a guy who
played the.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Quarterback position and Sean Payton.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
But but hang on, no, when you say passionate, some
other coaches may take that a different way.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Well, I can tell you this being a black man.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
I mean, some people have not taken my passion and
called it anger.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, it's passionate that you call it angry. There's coaches
language in there. We all we all seen it. We've
all seen what is there.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Though.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Fortunately he has a coach who calls it passion, because
you know you have coach. We've all had some coaches
they wouldn't cot it past.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
I call me Eric. Yeah, level white guys. I'm a
white guy, so I get arted. You guys get angry.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Bob Slow it was my DV coach, right, and he
used to call it tonality.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
He would be like, hey, Nko tonality. Yeah, you may
have chill out on your tonality.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
I'm just like, all I'm doing is asking questions, how
was that tonality?

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Are we doing this? Or are we doing this?

Speaker 1 (15:28):
So?

Speaker 2 (15:28):
What's one?

Speaker 3 (15:29):
So in our society, passion can be viewed in two ways.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
But I think it depends on the coach. Though, depends
on the coach she does. I think it was interesting.
There's some things in here, like Sean Payton.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Of course he recycled that deal where he did with
the Saints.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
You know the Saints.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
He put all the money in the lobarde out there
and wheeled out. Then he did the same thing with
the Broncos where he put all the money on the
thing and then he wheeled out. You know, he's done
some of those some of those same motivational taxes. But
it gives you a glimpse of the mind.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
What way his game. Here's what that chempee was with
the Saints.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
He put a million dollars cash and a Lobardi on
a thing and had a wheeled out in front of
the team at the start of the playoffs and said,
if you guys want so, I gotta do, just win
three games. We did the same thing with the Broncos,
the half million in the in the little party as well.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Oh they didn't get the money, dude. No, I don't
get to Keith the way he's gonna look at him.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, you had Wills Fargo, I think deliver like a
stacking cab. They had to pick it back or Brinks
whoever and pick it back up and you know that.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, yeah, make them and then well now but I mean, yeah,
you know all of those you know they want this money.
I'll get about for a million dollars now days. Yes,
they do it's like hundred k, my way, give me five.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
Yeah, if you're making twenty million, how.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Much that doesn't matter as much not taking that in
the playoffs, everybody makes as you know, everybody makes the.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Same amount in the playoffs if they do. And there's
some guys who are making millions, they don't make money.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Talking about They used to call that tricking off money.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Call it. That was the rookie coming up. They called
that tricking off money. That wasn't crazy anything anything you win.
I studied in the tenth grade trigonometry. No, no.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Freaking off money, triggering off Yeah, I heard, I heard
it different.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah, there's so there's a there's some interesting stuff in there,
and I think I think it goes to show all
the sides of Sean Bayton. The article opens with him
being a complete jerk to Joe vitt Uh. Then it
goes into sort of the madness of how he obsesses
over details and all that kind of stuff, which if
you're a great leader, you've got to be detail oriented.
He gets into some of the motivational stuff, like he

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saw the the Jerry Rice, you know, the funnel with
the sleeve, saw the running back out there. I think
it was Jalil wearing sleeves at practice and he was like,
oh hell no. He had Jerry Rice called the team
and talk about how he wore sleeves and fumbled.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
It would never wear him again, you know what.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Really quickly see that goes back to my days with
Parcels or the New York Jets.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
The white Stone was a wide receiver and he.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Had sleeves on, and he had one of those handwarmer
practices and he was pulled down on the putt return
by the pouch.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, so the sleeves and the pouches. There was no outlaw. No,
you couldn't wear it, man, I don't care how cold
he got in New York. You can't. You couldn't wear it. Yeah,
And I get so there's there's a lot to it.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
I think it's I think it's fascinating, multi fascted look
at uh, both things that I talked about with Sean Payton,
grinding people down and being just tough to deal with,
and then the the meticulous nature of what it takes
to win in the league. And I thought it was
a very fair, very balanced look, you know, and everything.
And I thought I thought it was a fascinating artist,
had very lengthy read. So if you got you know

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that long. Let's just say, if you got twenty minutes
sit down, it may take you a little longer that
you know instation. If you got if you got twenty
minutes plus sit down and read that, I thought it
was I thought it was fascinating.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Well, here's where we definitely need to jump on. Talk
about the meticulous part of it and the pressure, yeah,
associated with it, and the pressure that Sean puts on
himself individually as.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Well as those Jared. It's not just we will we
got to hit a break right down. Rocker's Country night backing.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
For this, well, Simmons back in the day, Yeah, because
Simmons told that anecdote.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
You know, I think Simmons told that acting on a
podcast or whatever.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
But yeah, court, no where sleeves, No sleeves as far
as that kind of stuff goes.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
So yeah, that's there's I mean, you know, end of
the day.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
I mean, he's got his reasons for it, and Jerry Wright,
he got Jerry Rice to call the team and talk
about it.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Well, I mean, listen, Uh, he's well within his right
from a head coaching standpoint to say hey, what he
wants the team to do and coaches are superstitious, which
reading this article, Sean Payton kind of said.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Himself, that's the other part. I want to get into it.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Oh my, he's a little superstitions. So you have to
ask yourself. I don't know about you, Steve. I have
some slight superstitions or better yet, some things that I do,
like I would always get to the game four hours early.
I never had one of those superstitions that yes, I mean,
I'm like, like, you know how they have the early

(20:05):
early bus when the trainers go and then they have
the early bus. I normally go with the trainers right
to make sure that I'm there so I can walk
the field. If there's a superstition, that was mine because
I never wanted to be late, and to be totally frank, man.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
You are gonna be late. How are you gonna be late?
I wanted to make sure, Steve, four hours early. If
I'm there, I can't be late, ye, right.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
And for transparency, I don't sleep well at night anyway,
and I had these recurring nightmares.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
Steve, should you should have hypnotized yourself, bro.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
I'm not doing that, but the idea is that I
wake up with these nightmares that I'm late for a game.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
The game is.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Already in the second quarter, and I'm trying to get
try to get to the game. I swear to you, Man,
I wake up in cole sweast and I have to remember, Man,
I'm not going to a damn game. But but it
happens to me all the time. Man, I can't get
it out.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
It was like the show.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
But then I you know, I'm like, oh, I'm late,
And then I'm like, oh, they won't notice.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Of course, granted I won't notice, right, grand He'll carry it.
That's fine car anyway. So I'm not superstitious. I may
be a little stitious, but I'm not superstitious. And the
amount of.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Things like Sean Payton was only gonna wear orange shoes
because they've been winning when he wears orange shoes and
stuff like, I do not understand that mindset at all.

Speaker 3 (21:31):
You know, though, you know, yes you can, Like some
people would say, okay, well, what did you eat the
morning of that game that you play, Well, you play
it out of your mind, so now you're trying to
go back and replicate everything.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
You did that day until until you have a bad game,
but I got to throw it out of the window.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
I am glad that I am not that bad or
I wasn't that bad with it, because it puts you
in a constant spot where mentally you little thrown off.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
And think about what we've seen over the years.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
With Sean Payton coaching, Like Sean Payton may run the
play and let's just say the play does well, he
may not repeat that same play because you're thinking, well,
they saw it already, so if if I repeat it again,
then they're gonna know where it's coming. I'm like, no, no, no,
no no. Mike Sanahan would run that same play over
and over and over again until they freaking stopped it,

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and then if they did stop it, have another.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Bridge off of that one.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
So maybe these superstitions can be a little problematic because
I know Peyton Manning had his little quirks too as well.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
And there's there's something I mean, if that's what makes
you comfortable whatever, I just don't understand that mindset, like
or shoes didn't calls you to win, or shoes.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Didn't have anything to do with you winning. You don't
know that big If that is your mindset, who is
the saying it makes.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
You feel comfortable, okay, but it had nothing to do
with anything. And that's sort of the problem is Chloe
gets involved there and says that she agrees with you.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, yeah, for sure that Chloe. I know I was right. No,
I was right. Look I mean.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
That.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
And then the other thing that in the article that
that struck me is they go into detail about how
they had noticed something on tape with Tyrol Shavers right,
and how they were gonna run a punt his.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Direction because he cheats up.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
They're gonna run a fake punt in his direction because
he cheats up like he's coming, and they were gonna
have a wall to block him off.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
They did it. Go this whole thing. Tyrol Shavers had torn.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
His ACL in the game before that, and they knew
he wasn't gonna be playing, so that that whole thing.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Didn't make much sense to me, because he tore the
a C on the Jacksonville game. So did he just not.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Know that that one of his you know, I mean, like,
who was the Broncos gout down there? They didn't tell
you that this guy that you'd brought you had designed
a fake punt around running at him, even gonna be
suited up.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Maybe they started playing a couple of weeks beforehand.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
I don't know, because this is this is a thing
like when they played Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
It was the first, you know, playoff game for the
Broncos last year.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
I remember, Okay, they converted that fake punt, right, but
they didn't really capitalize off of because I think Will Lutz,
mister Frugo, I mean, this.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Is a different fake.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
They designed a different There was two fake punts, the
one they ran and the other they were gonna run
for the ship's thing and they didn't.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
That's very very interesting, man, and man, this this article
says a lot is really candidate. It exposes and showcases
a lot of things that we covering the Denver Broncos
here were not pre v two right to see the
inner workings of what went into going into that that

(24:32):
Bills game, losing that Bill's game, going into the Patrios game,
and I would dare to say, like we were only
will but yes, yeah they won a Bill's game. But
I was I was shocked just like everyone else when
we found out about bo.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
And Sean too was kind of upset, yeah, because he
didn't know for a few minutes he was still celebrating
the win or whatever before. I think it was his
assistant Paul Kelly that came up and told him, yeah,
or the Broncos director of strike the conditioning. I'm not
sure which one. But here's here's the thing too.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
When we first when we found out, everything was about
Stidham at that point, Stidham was going to win the
game or he there.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Was a lot of confidence in Stidham.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
And then reading that article, now it makes sense why
coach Payton phrased or had their phrasing the way that
he said about Stidham that he's not worried about Stidham,
He's worried about everyone else because that was the same.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Language, but everybody else not having the confidence.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Right.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
He told to address the team and he's like, I'm
not worried about Sidham, I'm worried about all of you. Yes,
you know in the first address, and I get I've
seen other coaches do something very similar to that.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
It's a motivation the fact that I'm into a motivation tool.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
But considering the fact that in the article, you look
at it and it says that Sean Payne talked to
his mentor Bill Parcells, and he said that that was
kind of the same my mentality when they had to
go play the Super Bowl with Jeff Hosteler, who was
a backup quarterback, even in the meetings that he wasn't
worried about Hostele. He was worried about everyone else. And
I would dare to say that in that case, no,

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he was still concerned with Hosteller, but he put the
pressure on everyone else because.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
You say, well, the what is it?

Speaker 3 (26:12):
What's it saying as far as uh, the parts are
greater than.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
The sum, yeah, there's some of the the parts are
greater than the whole, the great Yeah, that's kind.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Of what he was trying to lead with. But there
was the concern.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
But if you have all your other players playing well,
then you didn't have to worry.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
About the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
You just needed that quarterback not to turn the ball
over because all the pressure was on everyone else. But
in this case, not just everyone else, all the pressure
was on Van Chosen and the defense because in this
article Sean said it himself.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
He's try said the defense was playing the worst in
the league, But he also said before that if it
was for the turnover, defense was the strength.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Of the team. A little bit of both. And that
was the thing that was the other part that throwed
me because he I.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Mean, he admits that it is, but in the meeting
with the coaches, he's grinding them down, talking about where
the worst defense in the league outside these turnovers were getting.
But then but yeah, but then you know, then in
private acknowledges that actually the defense has carried us, you know,
I mean, like it gets I don't know, there were
some things in there that certainly as you look at,
you know, the way that he approaches motivating people or

(27:28):
the way that he approaches correcting people, I guess I
mean he basically puts his coaching staff on blast all
the time, right he was.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
It was certainly fascinate. Like the guys.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
There are some coaches who have that philosophy, some head
coaches who feel like I'm not going to directly get
on the players. I'm going to get on their position coach,
right in their position, coach, this is their job.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
To get correct, right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
And there's there's I mean, there's something like what I
was in the army, right the company commanders is the
good guy and his it's his lieutenants and it's his
his platoon sergeant and all that are the bad guys
that are correcting the privates and you know, and so
there's that that kind of thing. When it comes down
to it is uh, you see people have different managerial
styles in different ways that they do things like that.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
But I thought that was another fascinating peak and we'll
get a little more of that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
This article by Seth Wickersham, which is what we've been
talking about the whole time, is she's certainly fascinating. I
encourage everybody to go read it, but it is. It
is fascinating how you get in the midst elex Sean
Payton's there at one am, two am and you're seeing
coaches yawn in a stretch it and try to stay
awake because they dive in on something.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
And he's like, oh, you can go home if you
will too. But it's a trap, a lack bar sitting there.
It's a trap, like all right, coach, thank you it.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah no, But once again, man, what you're saying is true.
I witnessed it myself. But the idea is that, I mean,
what good comes out of a coach guarding his desk
because are you really doing work? Because it's that intense
and you that focus, or you are sticking to your

(29:06):
desk because you don't want to be the first one
to leave before the.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Head coach, knowing as though your head coach is a grinder.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Well, he's got them all in the meeting room, knowing
you know, they're own the vision room.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Right, they're the big meeting room.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
They're breaking out his plate, and they're sticking around because
that's I mean, that's what you do. I've been in
situations like that in other and other enterprises where you
know you'll leave till the big boss.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
You know he was out there forty nine. You wouldn't.
You wouldn't at home at ten o'clock. No, I wasn't.
I mean I haven't.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
I'm just saying, wait, wait, wait, full disclosed the Ford transparency.
It wasn't because I was guarding my desk. It wasn't
because I was guarding my desk.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
What were you doing?

Speaker 3 (29:44):
I was doing my responsibilities exactly, chop cutting up for him,
trying to make sure guys had it by the morning time,
going back and forward to the printer, making sure all
the diagrams were drawn properly for the next day for
the scout team.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
And also they had gray snacks too as well. I
mean else.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
You know some people, I said, smart and I always
tell us, you know, you get to you have an office,
like if you're if you have a room that is,
put a cot in there, for the love of God,
put a couch or a cot in there, and cat
nap when you can.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Mike said, Ahan had like a mattress. Yeah yeah, I
mean yeah, like a job a mattress.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Like, dude, Like I'm telling you, put put a cot
or a couch or something in there where you can
get some because you're gonna be there.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Well, in all fairness, Broncos fans, you guys haven't had
a chance to go see the Broncos new dining area.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
I'm sure with the new uh.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Practice facility that the Walpinner family has built, it only
exceeds expectations as far as one that the Broncos have now.
But I'll tell you, if you're a coach man, if
we stay in late, hey, I'm in the kissing now.
They got home beverages, the juice, the watermelon juice.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, they got it all, man. You really don't have
to leave, honey. You know what, I'll see you on
Friday Friday.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Yeah, I mean, you know, getting into coaching and scoutings
because they call that a twenty five twenty five, twenty
five job, right, twenty five years old because you're working
twenty five hours a day for twenty five grand a year. Like,
it ain't the you know at the base stages. It
is not a dude in a relationship.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah, you know, I am not somebody trying to build
financial wealth, right, it's not about that.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
You read love football, Yeah, you love because the point
where you get through the financial wealth.

Speaker 6 (31:27):
Is down the line where you have to as a
person who did it, man, you have to love the game.
And you see, I know you the same way that
I am, especially when we said that practice me, you
and Jeff Legwall we want certain things.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
We see certain things.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
That other people out there they don't really see, right,
And it's just the love of the game is like
once it's kind of interwoven in your DNA. It's in there,
and you have what I would call football eyes, so
you see things entirely different than everyone else is though.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, and I would say that's part.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
It was interesting watching and you're seeing some of the
you know, Causette sort of talks about some of the
assistant coach.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Reactions that they're very obviously tired.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
They're very obviously but they always said they're sticking there,
sticking it out.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
You're not gonna be the first one. No, you're not
gonna Hey, someone got a zeb there, guys, uh me
with that. You know, being sleepy is not gonna help
anybody on you tight ten hours to make sure that
we're make sure we're good. So Lo coach.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
I know a lot of people don't want to see it.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Man, but I got to go, man, yeah, I almost
say it for him.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
I think that maybe Joe Vid, being the senior guy
in the room, he would be the one that go like, okay, coach,
you know, maybe wrap it up.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
This is your conscience speaking.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
I mean, you know that they're fascinating article a lot
of stuff. And I think that the main takeaways for
me is, I mean I already knew this, but they
may takeaways that were reiterated to me is in order
to win in this league, it takes a commitment. It
takes a commitment beyond the average nine to five. It
takes an attention to detail. It takes a continued attention
to detail. It takes the ability to seem almost maniacal

(33:15):
in a way, you know, with that attention to and
hold the.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Standard, and then to be able to do all of
that all night and then come out and then be
present doing practice.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
And I doze it off. Ye the whole nwe y're
you know what they call that.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
I will encapsulate it into one word, sacrifice. What are
you willing to sacrifice to win at the highest level?

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Well, some coaches don't win and they still do it.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Well then to me, I mean, I mean Cleveland has
done it for years. Yeah, it hasn't really paid.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
But they're only to sacrifice to Cleveland is winning.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Because you only go to Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Oh my goodness, Yes, Steve, it's a it's a pleasure.
It's always a lot of the fact you're wearing the
razorback member. Be there a little wood pig, go Hog's that.
That's right, go hogs.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
We got it a break. Broncos Country dick back into
this