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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tonight George Show, So right, Rocky's Edition to b C
T bache Ball Brand, Nick fergus Issac. Seeger's back there
producing the next two nights.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Tell the people what we were talking about, since you said
they were not even hiding it.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Well, the last thing that you said before we went
to air, and it was unprompted to nothing, but you
you just said all those songs about drugs.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Well true because you had one of those blues.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Well not about the first Okay, we got to back
up on this because we got to give them all
the the last five minutes. So, uh, I don't remember
exactly how it started, but we're talking about how oh
yeah passed away. And that brought me to like how
Toto wrote everything in the seventies and eighties, Like it
doesn't matter, you know, if you liked a song, Toto
probably had a hand in helping to write or play
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on it or whatever, whether it's Michael McDonald, Michael Jackson,
Glenn Fry.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
They even wrote for Yes, you know, all those all
the like.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Definency for Carol, Steve, Luca thar Allos got they all
they wrote like everything in the eighties. They worked with Prince,
They worked with. I mean everybody was the eighties.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
As I was selling Young Segars, that was the best time.
Have you talked about Tears for Fears yet? Yes, and
you're talking music, but maybe the best era for movies too.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah, So many of the classics are from you know,
that late seventies to like when you had to do things.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Differently because you didn't have CGI. You know, you had
to do things out.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Yeah, like Jurassic Part and it made things better, like
it was nineties, that was like ninety two. Well, yeah,
I guess I was thinking like the eighties to late nineties.
So you have some of that stuff in that window
where you know, there is practical effects mixed in with CGI.
They knew their limits of it and it holds up
to this day because of.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Some of them. Yeah. But anyway, so we were doing
that and then Segars piped in with it. The drugs
were flowing, you know, certain drugs, and we got us
on the drug side. But yeah, Eric Clapton literally wrote
you know, and then they got us out of the
drug songs.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Anyway, Oh, man, I missed eighties.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
In the nineties, man, I told Young Seegars that was
when kids actually played outside you knew what outside was
like if your parent has told you to stay in
the house.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, you were up. Something was wrong. You were you
were upset. And then you also like you didn't you
didn't need to have like your boundaries like how far
you could go straight from the house told to you
because it was the sound of your mother's voice as
the street light came on. You need to if you
could hear, you know, dinner was cut. That's how far.
That was the limits of where you were allowed to roam.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Yeah, and that was the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
We had to be in like that when that street
light came on and it and it peaked around like
eight o'clock right as soon as it came on, your
your backside better be crossing.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
The threshold to get it.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
My mom, my mom, she had she had this like
antique like school bell, you know the back in the
eighteen hunters as to ring or whatever.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
That she would just ring that thing for dinner.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And then we knew, you know, you.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Saw ringing the bell.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I thought about that that when the it was a
country cowboy.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Both the triangle, triangle, it's next favorite instrument. That's what
he plays the triangle. This is really so trigle player,
That's what it is.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
In the Yes, all I needed to do was just
beyond kings as Ding hit it when I want, Well,
you needed to Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I thought it was a cowbell. But no, no, no, that's a.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Whole different thing. It's something totally different. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Five six, six times zero.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Is the text line.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Lots of stuff going on here today.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It was a report out from shops Karatea yesterday that
the Nuggets are out on Lebron James. I texted somebody
that's not necessarily true, or that the Lebron James out
on the Nuggets, whatever the case may be. That's not
necessarily mean the Nuggets are getting Lebron James. But I
was told by somebody very close to the situation that
the idea that that that reporting was could it best
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be called premature.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
This all comes down to Lebron's decision. Of all the
places in NBA right now that are buying for his talent,
does it make sense to come to Denver. There's certain
things do because of proximity to Los Angeles, which I
saw a story today that wherever he goes, his family's
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gonna stay because they're based out of Los Angeles now
and they got everything set up there. But that would
be I mean, Dad and Nikole Jokis, that would be
the sale. But when you talk about Cleveland, going back home,
going back to Miami, right, I mean, how can you
say no to those things? And then there is even
conversation about the possibility or DA State probability of Lebron
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joining Jalen Brown right and tybeees MAXI in Philly.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Yeah, I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I don't think that's a great fit for him. I
think that's that's fun thing to talk about, but I
don't think it's a great fit. I think in the
end it's gonna be Golden State. But I was I
will say, ever's in the mix, sty been in the mix,
and it is a possibility. I don't necessarily want him here,
Like I thought that sounds weird to say, but I
I just I don't necessarily I think it would be
I think it would take all the focus and put
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it on him him, and I don't know that at
this juncture of his career that's where you want that
to be.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
See, when I think about how words are phrased, that
says a lot to me, Like when you just said, oh,
he's in the mix, or Denver rather is in the mix,
that means he's not coming just the way the phrasing
of that in the mix, right, it's different than Okay,
Denver is one of his top two teams, that is
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different in the mix. Nah, that means that that's the maybe,
that's the maybe, and maybe it's closer to.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Know than it is.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yes. That's why when I said, I tell people all
the time, I lived my life in two ways. It's
yes or no. I cut out the middle man and
the maybe. No Huh, it's either yes, I'm gonna do
it or no, I'm not. So this whole idea of oh, yeah,
the Knucks in the mix, Nah, you're not coming in.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
He's not coming in, I think.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I mean, ultimately, I don't believe that he will.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
But I will say that they are not out of it,
and and things could change because like I said, I
said this on the show yesterday, be prepared for Peyton
Watson to leave, and be prepared for Peyton Watson to
leave to the Clippers.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I think the Clippers are going to offer him way over.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
The Clippers have some issues right now because uh, I
think when you look at Kawhi Leonard going to waiting
on the hold up for the Yeah, there's some extra
curricula that because that's because that pablotry investigation.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
That led to kind of outing the fact that they
were paying him under the table and through a bogus
charity deal and he was to get him extra money
because he was limited by you know, max contract, and
so in order to pay him, they set up this
this whole figure that's creativity.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Though I got to give him.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Broncos got in trouble for that. Mbers got in trouble
for that in the late nineties or whatever, early two thousands.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
But what is it with Pablo Torres and some of
the stories that he's been able to a journalist.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
He's he's got that, He's got that. I call it
the itch man. It's it's this thing where you see,
you see something, you're like, okay, something's not added up here,
and then you just keep following, you keep pulling at
the thread. And Pablo Torre does a great job of
of of that. Did you see the one he dropped today?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I have not.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I haven't.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Somebody told me and I have not.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I've been too busy to what happened today.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
It's funny he found the like James Dolan's Madison Square
Garden threat level index for all the different celebrities that
go to Knicks games, and he has like which celebrities
are on the the no threat list, the low threat list,
and then yeah, which mursco Hargate the Knicks royalty is
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viewed as a risky candidate of course to James Dolan,
which is interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, it's interesting. There's some there's there's some well I
don't want to get into that that's too deep in
the weeds on some of this stuff. But I will
say that, uh yeah, Pablo Pubari is a good job
of finding things sticking with it. You don't have a
lot of that investigative journalism anymore so much today people
are it's all access journalism. But what guys like Adam
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Schefford does, or what people like Sham's Karatea do is
just they have access to certain certain agents or certain
people as access journals. Why I dabble in that having
access to certain people, you don't get a lot of
the investigative stuff, and he does a great job of that.
So anyway that to say that, yes, the Kawhi Leonard
deal to Toronto is being currently held up because of
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an investigation into the alleged impropriety in terms of pay,
whether or not anything illegal was done there, and so
that that's being held up. I will say, once they
get that deal done, they will pursue Peyton Watson or
if you know they're already pursuing.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Well, you know what. I respect Pablo Tours even when
he was on a full leader network. But you're right,
there are not too many investigative journalists that are out there.
If people call themselves journalists, but they don't really act
in that particular way. And the last guy, like look
key growing up, but I still remember this guy's face.
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You remember CBS Mike Wallace. Yeah, like Mike Mike Waller
for six.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Bradley.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Mike Wallace used to like uncover some of the best
stories ever, right, And he was like for me, he
was like, this is modern day Chris Hanson. Like anytime
you see Chris Hansen on the spot, you know what's
going on in the building. I mean it is a
catching predator. Well, yeah, you see Chris Hansen. Yes, you
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know that he's not at your career, right, but he
would be there for me, right, But Mike Wallace was
that was that guy. This is why I like reading
and following Pablo Torres, because he kind of peels back
the layers on the line of these stories that a
lot of these networks, because they have working relationships with
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some of these professional weeds, they're not willing to go
the extra mile and give us that information. I don't
know why Pablo tour is doing this. He's creating a
lot of enemies, whereas though when you yourself are broken news,
you've created enemies yourself.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I have done that once or twice.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Hey, listen, I love that. Give me a raw on chaser,
Give me this the real nitty gritty, you know, booths
on the ground story. I don't want that fluff fluff
piece because you're trying to protect someone in an organization,
because you're trying to maintain times. No, you have a
job to do as a journalist. You're broadcasting. Give the
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fans what they want. So that's what I like.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, I just I appreciate good investigative journalism anymore.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
It's such a lost art. And it's not just sports.
I mean, it's all kinds.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Of things that you're talking about Mike Paulis and all
those guys. Yeah, it's such a lost art. A lot
of journalism out there is just aggregation. It's just copying.
Somebody puts something out then everybody, all of a sudden,
everybody has an article about it because they also it's
all aggregation. It's all access, you know, journalism, things like that,
and you don't get people getting deep in the weeds
that much anymore.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
It's a dying breed. And uh so I appreciate, I.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Appreciate what Pabloor does that anyway, like I said, But
all that to tie back to the Lebron portion of
this still a possibility despite what Jeff Tarani said, I
don't think it's going to happen personally, and I'm not
sure that I want it to happen personally. So there's that. Man,
I don't know if the team keep paid why.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I really don't don't care if Lebron comes here. I mean,
all I'm concerned with is the Nuggets organization during whatever
they can in the next couple of years, let's say,
over the next four or five years, starting with now,
to put talent around Nikola Jokis, to maximize the last
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remaining of his years. And I'm not not saying that
I'm ready to throw dirt on his career, but we
know how this works in the NBA. But also we
know Nikola Jokic. He loves basketball, he loves playing here,
but the one other thing that he loves even more
is his home country.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
More than that, his family, the top that his horses.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
So at some point those three days country, family, horses,
I don't say president over this whole NBA, American basketball this.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, I think at some point, you know, I mean,
he'll sign one more mega deal and then I think
at that point it'll start being a year to year
evaluation for decol Jogi. She's going to be one of
those things where he's like, is this fun for me? Anyways?
Is the juice worth the squeeze at this point when
I could be hanging with my family and my horses
and doing all the stuff that I'd rather be doing.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Have you heard how large that mega deal will be?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
If he you know, doesn't like saying adoty something like that, Yeah,
it's some some three hundred number sixty. If I'm rounding,
it's three hundred and fifty nine point five. But three
hundred and sixty million over five years, and NBA deals
unlike those NFL deals fully guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
That would be a pretty nice paid ada. He's already
made three hundred and five million in his career, so
at this point he will have made two thirds of
a billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Hey, you got to be careful too, because long way
in Serbia.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
A lot it goes a long way in Serbia, but
a lot of teams are not wanting to get into
the NBA. Second Apron just kind of look at what's
happening with Boston with the whole you know, Jaylen Brown situation.
And I got to say, Brad Stevens, man, I mean,
just be honest with the Boston fans and say, hey, listen,
it was a money issue. No one comes to the
mic with the hym and and hanh and the infant
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and whatever and saying, okay, well, when you look at
Paul George where they brought over, there's a difference of
three million dollars in the contract for Paul George and
Jaln Brown. Once fifty four million, one is fifty seven million.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
And what we're going to see.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
What we're seeing is players salaries starting to balloon starting
to escalate, similar to what we've seen in the NFL,
and you're trying to figure out, how do you put.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
A team together? Right? How do you piece the team together?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Do you do with a bunch of low budget deals
with only one block busted player?
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Well, you do.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
You can have one elite max contract, two or four
three larger contracts but not max. If you have three maxes,
you're gonna you're gonna be hosed in a couple of
years because you're going to wind up having to either
nail your draft picks or you're gonna run out of depth.
You've got to run the ability to pay depth. So
you can do I mean, if you want to stay
out of the aprons, you can do it. Uh, if
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you have one Max, two or three you know, okay
deals and then somebody on your somebody in your starting
five has got to be on a rookie deal.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Well, so for for the Nuggets, if that's the case
of you know, this deal, these numbers that Zach brought up,
I mean, Nicola Jos is going to sign that contract
next next year. So that's why it's important for the
Nuggets that start preparing now for when you have to
pay them.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
And that's why the other part of this has been
terrible because the Nuggets been hemorrhaging draft picks.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
They need, you need cheap bodies in there.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
It's just like it's like a team that's it's paying everybody, right,
you're paying a quarterback, You're paying everybody. You've got to
have some draft picks in there somewhere that they can
low cost guys. That's what I'm saying. First contract guys.
You've got to have cost control guys, guys they can play.
And so the easiest way I think to do that
is to find a couple three and D guys in
the second round. If you can find some three and
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D guys in the second round that can give you,
you know, eight to twelve minutes a night, there's your
cost control right there. But the Nuggets just you know,
I mean, a strong are going to be that guy
he's due up for a contract.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Well, I was just going to bring that up because
when you look at some of the young guys that
the Nuggets have been able to draft over the years,
not a lot of those guys have developed into Now
I'm not gonna say even it start and five, but
NBA players, well, yeah, being good role players coming off
the bench in the second year, and La Shaw that
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we've seen him grow over his time with the different
Denver Nuggets and he's shown a lot of promise. Now
when you think about Zignagi, who's been on this roster
for a while, we haven't really seen a lot out
of him. So to master the art of the NBA
from Sally kept standpoint and master what you just suggested,
then that means the Nuggets not only have to draft
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a lot of these young players, those guys have to
develop where they're playing quality minutes and they have to
be consistent.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
And that hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, they really, I mean, the Nuggets have not really
hit on draft picks. You date back to the you know,
you go back to the Nicole Yokich thing. They drafted
Doug McDermott with the eleventh pick and Jokicic came up
forty one. Devin Marble was the third pick they made
that year. The next year they go out and get
Emmanuel Moodier it's a seventh pick, thinking they got the
young point cards that didn't work out. The next year
you got Jamal Murray at seven, So that worked, but
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then you got Herman Gomez, Malik Beasley who's not with
the team anymore, and a couple other guys that didn't
pan out. You traded Donovan Mitchell, remember that at the
first third evere Yes, everybody was upset about that. You
got Michael Porter at fourteen and twenty eighteen and that
that sort of worked, but you know, he's not on
a roster, not on the roster anymore. In neither of
the other two guys they draft the years. Ignage was
who they drafted at twenty two and in twenty twenty,
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Owns Highland in twenty twenty one, either of those guys,
and then you know, Christian Brown in twenty twenty two.
Then you wound up paying him and you probably shouldn't have.
And you know, it's not been the draft has not
particularly been the Nuggets friend when they need it to be,
because you're.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Going to have you have all these contracts.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You got Aaron Gordon, you had Michael Porter, you know,
now you got a Christian Brown, you get the Cam
Johnson's contract, Mauchamal Murray's deal, you got all these deals.
Now you got to Peyton Watson, which again they're gonna
have a stiff competition from the from the Clippers on that.
I just don't know. I mean, if you can't draft
and have cast, you need three four cost control guys
on your roster.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
They can give you minutes or your host. You're going
to be in that second any But this is.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Why I believe that Mike Malone and Kevin Booth, this
is where the tuger wars between those two based on
when you said, and all these young players and a
lot of these guys not developing, well, it's probably why
Michael Malone wanted to go with more proven veteran guys
because you know exactly what they can do.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
It may cost you a little more.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
What the problem is, you got to be willing to spend.
If you're going to do that, that's fine. But I
think that was Malone's achilles heel. He didn't trust rookies,
He didn't you know, young guys, things like that. Okay,
but the problem is you're you better deliver because ownership
is going to be spending for that.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Well, I mean he did deliver.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
He delivered a championship and it hadn't been won in
forty seven years. So I believe what he was doing
was actually, you.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Know, work delivering well.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I mean, come on, see, see this is where the
problem that happens with sports fans and certain franchises like
the Nuggets hadn't won a championship, it's been had been
forty seven years. So you win a championship and then
now the standard goes really high.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
You put more pressure on that coach.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
You're like, well, he got you to this point, give
him a little leeway and trust in what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I'm with you on that. But you had back to
back Western Conference semi's losses, which had kind of been
Malone's kind of hallmark throughout his career. He's the Western
Conference semi loser, you know. I mean that that got
accounts for four of his seasons. He also had a
first round well it was called first round loss the
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year before they won the finals, and then he had
you know, then they won the championship and he had
won Western Conference finals loss. I mean it was just,
you know, he kind of became the I'm trying to
think the best way to put this. He kind of
became the the guy that could get you to the
AFC Championship game but couldn't get you better.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I think that the Nuggets, you know, ownership became a
little fancy, okay, right, they went from the bots Wine
to that expensive stuff. Yeah, and then they didn't want
to go back, right, They just kind of stepped down
just a little. They didn't go back to the bots Wine,
but they came down a little.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Step, right, Yeah. And I mean it's noticeable since Mulow
has been gone. The defense's falling off a cliff. Since
he's been gone, the offensive pace of play is higher.
But you know, I mean I never thought adamal was
a guy he went fifty four and twenty eight with
you know, with Malones players. We'll see, we'll see at
the end of this. But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Are we wasting Nicoles prime?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Well, yes, we'll find a no, no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Don't know. We will need to find out.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
We already know.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
That, Okay. Well, I was trying to give the benefit
of the doubt. Were said, Pager, We had to break
Ruckles Country night back up for this, Zach Seger's here
with you five six, six nine zero. The text line
taking no up to the top of the hour, where
we'll give way to Jack Corgan. Zach Goodman on the
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call Colorado Rockies Baseball taking on the San Francisco Giants.
Feldner on the mound for the Rockies tonight, Rockies looking
to get out of the basement, could by you know,
beating the Giants, Wiz and not it'll be on the
mound for the Giants. He had a good outing, good
couple of outings there. He's want to know on the
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season one point six Whip three point six e R.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I had to make sure I was listening to the
right thing. And then you did say was in Nader
But but I think you said Zariel.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Smith is not going to be pitching for the UH.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I was like, who gets you know, if you got
to get the wizard it, why would you get the wrong.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Color A man listener, Hey, hey, that happened during during
my era of playing, and we all thought the same thing.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
You remember you remember that, you remember the replacements?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yes and yeah, And Clifford Franklin's out there receiver and
he gets to stick him on his hands and he's like,
you know this don't.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Look right, code, you know, just don't look right.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
That's exactly how is that not going through Ontario Smith's mind?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
But when when you are facing desperation, and desperation makes
people do stupid things, and you're not looking at that
particular detail which should be splashing like a hot sign
at Krispy Kreme. Like something's not equaling up here. But hey,
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he tried to get away with it caught him.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
God, that was absolutely ridiculous ontarios.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
That's That's the one thing he's remembered for. Is that
is the one that is what he's remembered for. Like,
does anybody remember anything else that he know that he did?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
No? That was and it was quite comical when you
really think about it. Not that I should laugh about it,
but it was more like, are you kidding me? I mean,
at least make sure that the carbons and the drake's met.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, I mean he was, and he wasn't bad, I
mean in that platoon of miss So he's kind of
coming into his own right. He only he played nine
games in the league. He had eleven hundred yards, seven touchdowns.
At the rushing the ball averaged five yards of carry
and then catching the ball he had like was it
like fifty receptions like that five hundred yards, another couple
of touchdowns. I mean, he was kind of coming into
his own as a thing. And then after this it
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was just never never the same, I mean, was there
was no anything after that. Nothing was that one of
the most He got suspend in two thousand and five,
and that was it.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Was that one of the most bizarre sporting issues that
you've ever come across.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I think.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
So that's certainly up there. And it's funny because Ontario
Smith was like, kid, know, the almost the exact same age.
He was born within like a week of me. So
it was like coming up during that exact same time,
you know, and you're like, what is this idiot doing?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
M He almost got away with it if it wasn't
for those pesky kids.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
He didn't almost get away with it, like at all.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
He did not almost get away with it. He did
not even come close to getting away with it.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
You know what, you picked the dumbest thing possible. It
did that, Okay, Okay, So here's what that did to
everyone else. It put all of us under massive scrutiny.
And usually when you had to take a drug test,
the guy kind of stayed out behind you out of
the stall, allow you to do your business. You give
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him your sample, sign your name, and you off. Then
it got to a point because of this whole resonated
thing where the guy who was examining you to make
sure you're not tampering.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
With anything, he had to stand right there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I'm like, I'm talking about not behind.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
You, right right next to you.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
So if you had stage right, you're going to be
there for a while, right And I'm like, man, this
is some crap man not to do it. He's standing
right there, yeah, looking at you.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, that's the same thing that was in the army.
When you add like you get standing right down the road,
you gotta keep eyes on.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Now if you say I gotta drop trial so you
can see that there's no wood, that's fun. But standing
right there right there, eyes.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
On half half half the distance between the other urinal
and you, he's standing between you.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I'm just saying, I'm like, come on, man, can we
get some space in here.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
That's why you can't get space in Ario Smith throwing it.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
For everybody know he's serving as the urinal divider Ben Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
And then like after that, he tried to go to
the CFL for a second and he reported like twenty
pounds overweight and he had like a first a foot injury.
The first day of practice and then never he never
played played football again. And his kid was it Sacramento
State a couple of years ago, was three with years
of really yeah, two thousand and three. His kissed kid
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was wide receiver at Sacramento State. But other you know,
on Terio Junior. But yeah, that they I mean, like
you were a promising running back, you got suspended for
something and then you just never never got it together again.
And he had some he had some legal issues too.
He get the some d u I stuff. I think
back in the day as well.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I'm just telling you, man, just standing in there trying to,
you know, do your business. Give you a sample and
just like a bro, can you just just give me
fifty feet just back up a little? Uh, you know what,
I want to go, turn on a faucet over there,
help me help a brother out.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, turn on.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Facet And it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
And you thought that, I mean because he was He
was a knucklehead in college too, because he was committed
to Tennessee and he wound up getting kicked off with you.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
They kept Jamal Lewis and kicked him off. We all
know what Jamal Lewis was doing.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
But I would say that Jamal Lewis was a better player.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
What was Jamal Lewis doing?
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, I don't I don't really want to discuss it.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
You could look it up, but Jamal Lewis was, uh
was in some tre in college as well.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
It's just I mean, I don't yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
It was that guy.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Just it just never sunk yet. Do you ever have
any teammates like that man where it just it.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Just didn't sink in Oh.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
You mean some guys you say, oh, can't get right. Yeah, yeah,
you had a couple of those guys. I will not
call out anyone's name, but yeah, you have a couple
of guys. And you hope that those guys were drafted
in the early rounds because that would give them a
longer runway to make mistakes. Obviously, if you're a free
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agent guy and you drafted late in the draft, your
your runway is short.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Like LaGuardia in New York City, you got.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
A short runway and you can't make that many mistakes.
But there were some guys and some coaches used to
get upset. I know playing for Mike Westoff in New
York and Mike Westoff did not.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
To hold his tongue.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
He was like, real pl sales come from that same club,
or they're gonna let you know yea. And one of
his favorite sayings is that do I have to drop
breag crumbs for you? Now, if he were telling you that,
that means he thought you you were dumbing in a
box of rocks. So but but you, once again, you
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asked some guys who really struggled to not only just
comprehend the business of football, but understanding the business itself,
understanding the scheme.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
So so yeah, you had that.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, it's I mean, you know, there's some guys you
just meet along the way they can't get right. You
meet him in every every walk of life. And it
was I was Jamala Lewis, by the way. It was
the cocaine deal with the broker and the cocaine deal
and all that.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Yeah, I looked it up.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, they got a presidential pardon back in February, got
pardoned for it all.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Now we come full circle back to something that you
brought up, Zach right, become full circle run by do it?
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Two thousands though, that shows that the era persists.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
And I told you it went longer than the eighties
and the nineties. It's just it's just kind of looked different, right,
but it was still a long trail of that same
subject line.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Trail being an operative word there. Oh yeah, yeah, there's
that era actually of the Leah when you were when
you were playing man, there were some guys that like, Man, like,
what is you doing?
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Well?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I think, wait a minute, because Bengals, You're not just
going to just put that on my arrow. I mean
we got a Tonio Brown and Brennan I yuk. I
think the clips.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
That'll stand out because it's singular. Dudes. You had whole
teams that were like what are you doing? You know
by Jimmy Smith down there in Jacksonville, you know Minnesota.
You know about the Cincinnati Bengals. That's the whole reason
Goodell became commissioners, because Sheriff Rodger was going to come
in and clean this thing up.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Right in two thousands was wild man.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, it was. It was a wild time. But guess what,
they played some great football doing those doing those errors.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
They were at real fast early hard knocks.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yes, but back when the hard knocks was was good
real uh huh. We're getting nostalgia during that we got
to check what traffic with Dave with Brian Welo. Back
to the Broncos Country tonight, benjmin all Bright, mcferguson, Zach
Segers carrying you all the way up to the.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Top of the hour when Jack and Zach take over
the call.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Colorado Rockies taking on the San Francisco Giants. Gonna be
Ryan Feltner for the Rockies four two seven e r
A three and two forty four k twenty walks and
one point two two whip up against uh is It
Hut and his Carson Wizard. Hut getting his second go
this season for the Giants. He won his other appearance
five innings, three point six e r A, two k's,
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two walks, one point six whip U And ought to
be an interesting game there as the Rockies look to
battle their way out of last place in the West there,
and you know, got a good chance of doing that
getting a little stretch here against Cevasgille Giants.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, the Giants are not doing too well. I mean
in their last series against the Blue Jays, you know,
they struggled a little and looking back really quickly on
that series against the Dodgers, there were a couple of
good things that you know, if you are Rockies fans,
you love about the team's fight. And Mookie Betts, who
is the Dodgers star, he had some really positive things
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to say about the players of the Rockies. He called them,
you know, grinders me paraphrasing here and just say that
this was a team that, hey man, this was a
group that is they love, they they love to play
with one another. They're really scrappy bunch. And I think
if there was a way to look at the Rockies,
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even though the outcome hasn't gone the way that you know, you,
I think that's one thing that you can say, they're
really sscribing a bunch, but you want them to start
to play, you know, meaningful games. And I'm talking about
like putting back to back series together, being able to
show that you can play with teams like the Dodgers.
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And I'm hoping that going into the San Francisco Giants game,
they look back at the Dodgers game and say, hey, listen,
we were right there in a couple of innings, we
just couldn't really seal the deal. So hopefully they will
be have the ability to take it out on the
Giants tonight.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, the Giants managed by Tony Vitello, who.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Made history jumping from the college ranks to the pro
to being a pro baseball manager.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
With no previous professional experience.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I was previously an assistant at Arkansas and then he
was the head coach at Tennessee for about six seven
years and then you know, he moved on to the
Giants are and you know, so far it hasn't been great,
but we'll see how it works out.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
The pride of Say Louis, Missouri, where I was also born.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
So little little things I know about random baseball manager.
As far as it goes, it is nice to see
the Rockies uh uh making some noise though, you know,
I mean going up against the Dodgers, get them wins
and uh you know, you you you find a way
to claw your way out a last place in the division.
You're no longer epically bad. You're at least competitive in games.
And the Rockies have done a good job getting late
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runs this year. That's been that's been a hallmark of
their success.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
You know, I've been I think that's all you can
ask of this roster right now, just show that you
can be competitive. String some wins together and just kind
of continue to build every single week. Just don't go
into the slumps and walk into a game like, well,
this team is so much better than we are from
a record standpoint.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
We don't stand the.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Champions Rockies and the Giants. Chack and Zac can on
the call right here.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Don't kay away.
Tonight George Show, So right, Rocky's Edition to b C
T bache Ball Brand, Nick fergus Issac. Seeger's back there
producing the next two nights.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Tell the people what we were talking about, since you said
they were not even hiding it.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Well, the last thing that you said before we went
to air, and it was unprompted to nothing, but you
you just said all those songs about drugs.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Well true because you had one of those blues.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Well not about the first Okay, we got to back
up on this because we got to give them all
the the last five minutes. So, uh, I don't remember
exactly how it started, but we're talking about how oh
yeah passed away. And that brought me to like how
Toto wrote everything in the seventies and eighties, Like it
doesn't matter, you know, if you liked a song, Toto
probably had a hand in helping to write or play
(00:43):
on it or whatever, whether it's Michael McDonald, Michael Jackson,
Glenn Fry.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
They even wrote for Yes, you know, all those all
the like.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Definency for Carol, Steve, Luca thar Allos got they all
they wrote like everything in the eighties. They worked with Prince,
They worked with. I mean everybody was the eighties.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
As I was selling Young Segars, that was the best time.
Have you talked about Tears for Fears yet? Yes, and
you're talking music, but maybe the best era for movies too.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah, So many of the classics are from you know,
that late seventies to like when you had to do things.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Differently because you didn't have CGI. You know, you had
to do things out.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Yeah, like Jurassic Part and it made things better, like
it was nineties, that was like ninety two. Well, yeah,
I guess I was thinking like the eighties to late nineties.
So you have some of that stuff in that window
where you know, there is practical effects mixed in with CGI.
They knew their limits of it and it holds up
to this day because of.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Some of them. Yeah. But anyway, so we were doing
that and then Segars piped in with it. The drugs
were flowing, you know, certain drugs, and we got us
on the drug side. But yeah, Eric Clapton literally wrote
you know, and then they got us out of the
drug songs.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Anyway, Oh, man, I missed eighties.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
In the nineties, man, I told Young Seegars that was
when kids actually played outside you knew what outside was
like if your parent has told you to stay in
the house.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, you were up. Something was wrong. You were you
were upset. And then you also like you didn't you
didn't need to have like your boundaries like how far
you could go straight from the house told to you
because it was the sound of your mother's voice as
the street light came on. You need to if you
could hear, you know, dinner was cut. That's how far.
That was the limits of where you were allowed to roam.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Yeah, and that was the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
We had to be in like that when that street
light came on and it and it peaked around like
eight o'clock right as soon as it came on, your
your backside better be crossing.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
The threshold to get it.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
My mom, my mom, she had she had this like
antique like school bell, you know the back in the
eighteen hunters as to ring or whatever.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
That she would just ring that thing for dinner.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And then we knew, you know, you.
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Saw ringing the bell.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I thought about that that when the it was a
country cowboy.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Both the triangle, triangle, it's next favorite instrument. That's what
he plays the triangle. This is really so trigle player,
That's what it is.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
In the Yes, all I needed to do was just
beyond kings as Ding hit it when I want, Well,
you needed to Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I thought it was a cowbell. But no, no, no, that's a.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Whole different thing. It's something totally different. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Five six, six times zero.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Is the text line.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Lots of stuff going on here today.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
It was a report out from shops Karatea yesterday that
the Nuggets are out on Lebron James. I texted somebody
that's not necessarily true, or that the Lebron James out
on the Nuggets, whatever the case may be. That's not
necessarily mean the Nuggets are getting Lebron James. But I
was told by somebody very close to the situation that
the idea that that that reporting was could it best
(03:42):
be called premature.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
This all comes down to Lebron's decision. Of all the
places in NBA right now that are buying for his talent,
does it make sense to come to Denver. There's certain
things do because of proximity to Los Angeles, which I
saw a story today that wherever he goes, his family's
(04:05):
gonna stay because they're based out of Los Angeles now
and they got everything set up there. But that would
be I mean, Dad and Nikole Jokis, that would be
the sale. But when you talk about Cleveland, going back home,
going back to Miami, right, I mean, how can you
say no to those things? And then there is even
conversation about the possibility or DA State probability of Lebron
(04:30):
joining Jalen Brown right and tybeees MAXI in Philly.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
Yeah, I don't think that.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
I don't think that's a great fit for him. I
think that's that's fun thing to talk about, but I
don't think it's a great fit. I think in the
end it's gonna be Golden State. But I was I
will say, ever's in the mix, sty been in the mix,
and it is a possibility. I don't necessarily want him here,
Like I thought that sounds weird to say, but I
I just I don't necessarily I think it would be
I think it would take all the focus and put
(04:59):
it on him him, and I don't know that at
this juncture of his career that's where you want that
to be.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
See, when I think about how words are phrased, that
says a lot to me, Like when you just said, oh,
he's in the mix, or Denver rather is in the mix,
that means he's not coming just the way the phrasing
of that in the mix, right, it's different than Okay,
Denver is one of his top two teams, that is
(05:29):
different in the mix. Nah, that means that that's the maybe,
that's the maybe, and maybe it's closer to.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Know than it is.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yes. That's why when I said, I tell people all
the time, I lived my life in two ways. It's
yes or no. I cut out the middle man and
the maybe. No Huh, it's either yes, I'm gonna do
it or no, I'm not. So this whole idea of oh, yeah,
the Knucks in the mix, Nah, you're not coming in.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
He's not coming in, I think.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
I mean, ultimately, I don't believe that he will.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
But I will say that they are not out of it,
and and things could change because like I said, I
said this on the show yesterday, be prepared for Peyton
Watson to leave, and be prepared for Peyton Watson to
leave to the Clippers.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I think the Clippers are going to offer him way over.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
The Clippers have some issues right now because uh, I
think when you look at Kawhi Leonard going to waiting
on the hold up for the Yeah, there's some extra
curricula that because that's because that pablotry investigation.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
That led to kind of outing the fact that they
were paying him under the table and through a bogus
charity deal and he was to get him extra money
because he was limited by you know, max contract, and
so in order to pay him, they set up this
this whole figure that's creativity.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Though I got to give him.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Broncos got in trouble for that. Mbers got in trouble
for that in the late nineties or whatever, early two thousands.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
But what is it with Pablo Torres and some of
the stories that he's been able to a journalist.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
He's he's got that, He's got that. I call it
the itch man. It's it's this thing where you see,
you see something, you're like, okay, something's not added up here,
and then you just keep following, you keep pulling at
the thread. And Pablo Torre does a great job of
of of that. Did you see the one he dropped today?
Speaker 5 (07:15):
I have not.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I haven't.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Somebody told me and I have not.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I've been too busy to what happened today.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
It's funny he found the like James Dolan's Madison Square
Garden threat level index for all the different celebrities that
go to Knicks games, and he has like which celebrities
are on the the no threat list, the low threat list,
and then yeah, which mursco Hargate the Knicks royalty is
(07:40):
viewed as a risky candidate of course to James Dolan,
which is interesting.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, it's interesting. There's some there's there's some well I
don't want to get into that that's too deep in
the weeds on some of this stuff. But I will
say that, uh yeah, Pablo Pubari is a good job
of finding things sticking with it. You don't have a
lot of that investigative journalism anymore so much today people
are it's all access journalism. But what guys like Adam
(08:06):
Schefford does, or what people like Sham's Karatea do is
just they have access to certain certain agents or certain
people as access journals. Why I dabble in that having
access to certain people, you don't get a lot of
the investigative stuff, and he does a great job of that.
So anyway that to say that, yes, the Kawhi Leonard
deal to Toronto is being currently held up because of
(08:28):
an investigation into the alleged impropriety in terms of pay,
whether or not anything illegal was done there, and so
that that's being held up. I will say, once they
get that deal done, they will pursue Peyton Watson or
if you know they're already pursuing.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Well, you know what. I respect Pablo Tours even when
he was on a full leader network. But you're right,
there are not too many investigative journalists that are out there.
If people call themselves journalists, but they don't really act
in that particular way. And the last guy, like look
key growing up, but I still remember this guy's face.
(09:02):
You remember CBS Mike Wallace. Yeah, like Mike Mike Waller
for six.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Bradley.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Mike Wallace used to like uncover some of the best
stories ever, right, And he was like for me, he
was like, this is modern day Chris Hanson. Like anytime
you see Chris Hansen on the spot, you know what's
going on in the building. I mean it is a
catching predator. Well, yeah, you see Chris Hansen. Yes, you
(09:32):
know that he's not at your career, right, but he
would be there for me, right, But Mike Wallace was
that was that guy. This is why I like reading
and following Pablo Torres, because he kind of peels back
the layers on the line of these stories that a
lot of these networks, because they have working relationships with
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some of these professional weeds, they're not willing to go
the extra mile and give us that information. I don't
know why Pablo tour is doing this. He's creating a
lot of enemies, whereas though when you yourself are broken news,
you've created enemies yourself.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I have done that once or twice.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Hey, listen, I love that. Give me a raw on chaser,
Give me this the real nitty gritty, you know, booths
on the ground story. I don't want that fluff fluff
piece because you're trying to protect someone in an organization,
because you're trying to maintain times. No, you have a
job to do as a journalist. You're broadcasting. Give the
(10:31):
fans what they want. So that's what I like.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Yeah, I just I appreciate good investigative journalism anymore.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
It's such a lost art. And it's not just sports.
I mean, it's all kinds.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Of things that you're talking about Mike Paulis and all
those guys. Yeah, it's such a lost art. A lot
of journalism out there is just aggregation. It's just copying.
Somebody puts something out then everybody, all of a sudden,
everybody has an article about it because they also it's
all aggregation. It's all access, you know, journalism, things like that,
and you don't get people getting deep in the weeds
that much anymore.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
It's a dying breed. And uh so I appreciate, I.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Appreciate what Pabloor does that anyway, like I said, But
all that to tie back to the Lebron portion of
this still a possibility despite what Jeff Tarani said, I
don't think it's going to happen personally, and I'm not
sure that I want it to happen personally. So there's that. Man,
I don't know if the team keep paid why.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I really don't don't care if Lebron comes here. I mean,
all I'm concerned with is the Nuggets organization during whatever
they can in the next couple of years, let's say,
over the next four or five years, starting with now,
to put talent around Nikola Jokis, to maximize the last
(11:46):
remaining of his years. And I'm not not saying that
I'm ready to throw dirt on his career, but we
know how this works in the NBA. But also we
know Nikola Jokic. He loves basketball, he loves playing here,
but the one other thing that he loves even more
is his home country.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
More than that, his family, the top that his horses.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
So at some point those three days country, family, horses,
I don't say president over this whole NBA, American basketball this.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, I think at some point, you know, I mean,
he'll sign one more mega deal and then I think
at that point it'll start being a year to year
evaluation for decol Jogi. She's going to be one of
those things where he's like, is this fun for me? Anyways?
Is the juice worth the squeeze at this point when
I could be hanging with my family and my horses
and doing all the stuff that I'd rather be doing.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Have you heard how large that mega deal will be?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
If he you know, doesn't like saying adoty something like that, Yeah,
it's some some three hundred number sixty. If I'm rounding,
it's three hundred and fifty nine point five. But three
hundred and sixty million over five years, and NBA deals
unlike those NFL deals fully guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
That would be a pretty nice paid ada. He's already
made three hundred and five million in his career, so
at this point he will have made two thirds of
a billion dollars.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Hey, you got to be careful too, because long way
in Serbia.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
A lot it goes a long way in Serbia, but
a lot of teams are not wanting to get into
the NBA. Second Apron just kind of look at what's
happening with Boston with the whole you know, Jaylen Brown situation.
And I got to say, Brad Stevens, man, I mean,
just be honest with the Boston fans and say, hey, listen,
it was a money issue. No one comes to the
mic with the hym and and hanh and the infant
(13:22):
and whatever and saying, okay, well, when you look at
Paul George where they brought over, there's a difference of
three million dollars in the contract for Paul George and
Jaln Brown. Once fifty four million, one is fifty seven million.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
And what we're going to see.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
What we're seeing is players salaries starting to balloon starting
to escalate, similar to what we've seen in the NFL,
and you're trying to figure out, how do you put.
Speaker 5 (13:46):
A team together? Right? How do you piece the team together?
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Do you do with a bunch of low budget deals
with only one block busted player?
Speaker 5 (13:54):
Well, you do.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
You can have one elite max contract, two or four
three larger contracts but not max. If you have three maxes,
you're gonna you're gonna be hosed in a couple of
years because you're going to wind up having to either
nail your draft picks or you're gonna run out of depth.
You've got to run the ability to pay depth. So
you can do I mean, if you want to stay
out of the aprons, you can do it. Uh, if
(14:17):
you have one Max, two or three you know, okay
deals and then somebody on your somebody in your starting
five has got to be on a rookie deal.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Well, so for for the Nuggets, if that's the case
of you know, this deal, these numbers that Zach brought up,
I mean, Nicola Jos is going to sign that contract
next next year. So that's why it's important for the
Nuggets that start preparing now for when you have to
pay them.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
And that's why the other part of this has been
terrible because the Nuggets been hemorrhaging draft picks.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
They need, you need cheap bodies in there.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
It's just like it's like a team that's it's paying everybody, right,
you're paying a quarterback, You're paying everybody. You've got to
have some draft picks in there somewhere that they can
low cost guys. That's what I'm saying. First contract guys.
You've got to have cost control guys, guys they can play.
And so the easiest way I think to do that
is to find a couple three and D guys in
the second round. If you can find some three and
(15:08):
D guys in the second round that can give you,
you know, eight to twelve minutes a night, there's your
cost control right there. But the Nuggets just you know,
I mean, a strong are going to be that guy
he's due up for a contract.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Well, I was just going to bring that up because
when you look at some of the young guys that
the Nuggets have been able to draft over the years,
not a lot of those guys have developed into Now
I'm not gonna say even it start and five, but
NBA players, well, yeah, being good role players coming off
the bench in the second year, and La Shaw that
(15:38):
we've seen him grow over his time with the different
Denver Nuggets and he's shown a lot of promise. Now
when you think about Zignagi, who's been on this roster
for a while, we haven't really seen a lot out
of him. So to master the art of the NBA
from Sally kept standpoint and master what you just suggested,
then that means the Nuggets not only have to draft
(15:59):
a lot of these young players, those guys have to
develop where they're playing quality minutes and they have to
be consistent.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
And that hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, they really, I mean, the Nuggets have not really
hit on draft picks. You date back to the you know,
you go back to the Nicole Yokich thing. They drafted
Doug McDermott with the eleventh pick and Jokicic came up
forty one. Devin Marble was the third pick they made
that year. The next year they go out and get
Emmanuel Moodier it's a seventh pick, thinking they got the
young point cards that didn't work out. The next year
you got Jamal Murray at seven, So that worked, but
(16:28):
then you got Herman Gomez, Malik Beasley who's not with
the team anymore, and a couple other guys that didn't
pan out. You traded Donovan Mitchell, remember that at the
first third evere Yes, everybody was upset about that. You
got Michael Porter at fourteen and twenty eighteen and that
that sort of worked, but you know, he's not on
a roster, not on the roster anymore. In neither of
the other two guys they draft the years. Ignage was
who they drafted at twenty two and in twenty twenty,
(16:50):
Owns Highland in twenty twenty one, either of those guys,
and then you know, Christian Brown in twenty twenty two.
Then you wound up paying him and you probably shouldn't have.
And you know, it's not been the draft has not
particularly been the Nuggets friend when they need it to be,
because you're.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Going to have you have all these contracts.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You got Aaron Gordon, you had Michael Porter, you know,
now you got a Christian Brown, you get the Cam
Johnson's contract, Mauchamal Murray's deal, you got all these deals.
Now you got to Peyton Watson, which again they're gonna
have a stiff competition from the from the Clippers on that.
I just don't know. I mean, if you can't draft
and have cast, you need three four cost control guys
on your roster.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
They can give you minutes or your host. You're going
to be in that second any But this is.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Why I believe that Mike Malone and Kevin Booth, this
is where the tuger wars between those two based on
when you said, and all these young players and a
lot of these guys not developing, well, it's probably why
Michael Malone wanted to go with more proven veteran guys
because you know exactly what they can do.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
It may cost you a little more.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
What the problem is, you got to be willing to spend.
If you're going to do that, that's fine. But I
think that was Malone's achilles heel. He didn't trust rookies,
He didn't you know, young guys, things like that. Okay,
but the problem is you're you better deliver because ownership
is going to be spending for that.
Speaker 5 (17:58):
Well, I mean he did deliver.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
He delivered a championship and it hadn't been won in
forty seven years. So I believe what he was doing
was actually, you.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Know, work delivering well.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I mean, come on, see, see this is where the
problem that happens with sports fans and certain franchises like
the Nuggets hadn't won a championship, it's been had been
forty seven years. So you win a championship and then
now the standard goes really high.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
You put more pressure on that coach.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
You're like, well, he got you to this point, give
him a little leeway and trust in what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I'm with you on that. But you had back to
back Western Conference semi's losses, which had kind of been
Malone's kind of hallmark throughout his career. He's the Western
Conference semi loser, you know. I mean that that got
accounts for four of his seasons. He also had a
first round well it was called first round loss the
(18:51):
year before they won the finals, and then he had
you know, then they won the championship and he had
won Western Conference finals loss. I mean it was just,
you know, he kind of became the I'm trying to
think the best way to put this. He kind of
became the the guy that could get you to the
AFC Championship game but couldn't get you better.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
I think that the Nuggets, you know, ownership became a
little fancy, okay, right, they went from the bots Wine
to that expensive stuff. Yeah, and then they didn't want
to go back, right, They just kind of stepped down
just a little. They didn't go back to the bots Wine,
but they came down a little.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Step, right, Yeah. And I mean it's noticeable since Mulow
has been gone. The defense's falling off a cliff. Since
he's been gone, the offensive pace of play is higher.
But you know, I mean I never thought adamal was
a guy he went fifty four and twenty eight with
you know, with Malones players. We'll see, we'll see at
the end of this. But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Are we wasting Nicoles prime?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Well, yes, we'll find a no, no, no, no.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Don't know. We will need to find out.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
We already know.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
That, Okay. Well, I was trying to give the benefit
of the doubt. Were said, Pager, We had to break
Ruckles Country night back up for this, Zach Seger's here
with you five six, six nine zero. The text line
taking no up to the top of the hour, where
we'll give way to Jack Corgan. Zach Goodman on the
(20:13):
call Colorado Rockies Baseball taking on the San Francisco Giants.
Feldner on the mound for the Rockies tonight, Rockies looking
to get out of the basement, could by you know,
beating the Giants, Wiz and not it'll be on the
mound for the Giants. He had a good outing, good
couple of outings there. He's want to know on the
(20:35):
season one point six Whip three point six e R.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I had to make sure I was listening to the
right thing. And then you did say was in Nader
But but I think you said Zariel.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Smith is not going to be pitching for the UH.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I was like, who gets you know, if you got
to get the wizard it, why would you get the wrong.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Color A man listener, Hey, hey, that happened during during
my era of playing, and we all thought the same thing.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
You remember you remember that, you remember the replacements?
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yes and yeah, And Clifford Franklin's out there receiver and
he gets to stick him on his hands and he's like,
you know this don't.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Look right, code, you know, just don't look right.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
That's exactly how is that not going through Ontario Smith's mind?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
But when when you are facing desperation, and desperation makes
people do stupid things, and you're not looking at that
particular detail which should be splashing like a hot sign
at Krispy Kreme. Like something's not equaling up here. But hey,
(21:41):
he tried to get away with it caught him.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
God, that was absolutely ridiculous ontarios.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
That's That's the one thing he's remembered for. Is that
is the one that is what he's remembered for. Like,
does anybody remember anything else that he know that he did?
Speaker 2 (21:58):
No? That was and it was quite comical when you
really think about it. Not that I should laugh about it,
but it was more like, are you kidding me? I mean,
at least make sure that the carbons and the drake's met.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Yeah, I mean he was, and he wasn't bad, I
mean in that platoon of miss So he's kind of
coming into his own right. He only he played nine
games in the league. He had eleven hundred yards, seven touchdowns.
At the rushing the ball averaged five yards of carry
and then catching the ball he had like was it
like fifty receptions like that five hundred yards, another couple
of touchdowns. I mean, he was kind of coming into
his own as a thing. And then after this it
(22:36):
was just never never the same, I mean, was there
was no anything after that. Nothing was that one of
the most He got suspend in two thousand and five,
and that was it.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Was that one of the most bizarre sporting issues that
you've ever come across.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I think.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
So that's certainly up there. And it's funny because Ontario
Smith was like, kid, know, the almost the exact same age.
He was born within like a week of me. So
it was like coming up during that exact same time,
you know, and you're like, what is this idiot doing?
Speaker 2 (23:05):
M He almost got away with it if it wasn't
for those pesky kids.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
He didn't almost get away with it, like at all.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
He did not almost get away with it. He did
not even come close to getting away with it.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
You know what, you picked the dumbest thing possible. It
did that, Okay, Okay, So here's what that did to
everyone else. It put all of us under massive scrutiny.
And usually when you had to take a drug test,
the guy kind of stayed out behind you out of
the stall, allow you to do your business. You give
(23:37):
him your sample, sign your name, and you off. Then
it got to a point because of this whole resonated
thing where the guy who was examining you to make
sure you're not tampering.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
With anything, he had to stand right there. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I'm like, I'm talking about not behind.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
You, right right next to you.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
So if you had stage right, you're going to be
there for a while, right And I'm like, man, this
is some crap man not to do it. He's standing
right there, yeah, looking at you.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah, that's the same thing that was in the army.
When you add like you get standing right down the road,
you gotta keep eyes on.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Now if you say I gotta drop trial so you
can see that there's no wood, that's fun. But standing
right there right there, eyes.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
On half half half the distance between the other urinal
and you, he's standing between you.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
I'm just saying, I'm like, come on, man, can we
get some space in here.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
That's why you can't get space in Ario Smith throwing it.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
For everybody know he's serving as the urinal divider Ben Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
And then like after that, he tried to go to
the CFL for a second and he reported like twenty
pounds overweight and he had like a first a foot injury.
The first day of practice and then never he never
played played football again. And his kid was it Sacramento
State a couple of years ago, was three with years
of really yeah, two thousand and three. His kissed kid
(24:59):
was wide receiver at Sacramento State. But other you know,
on Terio Junior. But yeah, that they I mean, like
you were a promising running back, you got suspended for
something and then you just never never got it together again.
And he had some he had some legal issues too.
He get the some d u I stuff. I think
back in the day as well.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I'm just telling you, man, just standing in there trying to,
you know, do your business. Give you a sample and
just like a bro, can you just just give me
fifty feet just back up a little? Uh, you know what,
I want to go, turn on a faucet over there,
help me help a brother out.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah, turn on.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Facet And it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
And you thought that, I mean because he was He
was a knucklehead in college too, because he was committed
to Tennessee and he wound up getting kicked off with you.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
They kept Jamal Lewis and kicked him off. We all
know what Jamal Lewis was doing.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
But I would say that Jamal Lewis was a better player.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
What was Jamal Lewis doing?
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, I don't I don't really want to discuss it.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
You could look it up, but Jamal Lewis was, uh
was in some tre in college as well.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
It's just I mean, I don't yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
It was that guy.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Just it just never sunk yet. Do you ever have
any teammates like that man where it just it.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Just didn't sink in Oh.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
You mean some guys you say, oh, can't get right. Yeah, yeah,
you had a couple of those guys. I will not
call out anyone's name, but yeah, you have a couple
of guys. And you hope that those guys were drafted
in the early rounds because that would give them a
longer runway to make mistakes. Obviously, if you're a free
(26:39):
agent guy and you drafted late in the draft, your
your runway is short.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Like LaGuardia in New York City, you got.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
A short runway and you can't make that many mistakes.
But there were some guys and some coaches used to
get upset. I know playing for Mike Westoff in New
York and Mike Westoff did not.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
To hold his tongue.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
He was like, real pl sales come from that same club,
or they're gonna let you know yea. And one of
his favorite sayings is that do I have to drop
breag crumbs for you? Now, if he were telling you that,
that means he thought you you were dumbing in a
box of rocks. So but but you, once again, you
(27:22):
asked some guys who really struggled to not only just
comprehend the business of football, but understanding the business itself,
understanding the scheme.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
So so yeah, you had that.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, it's I mean, you know, there's some guys you
just meet along the way they can't get right. You
meet him in every every walk of life. And it
was I was Jamala Lewis, by the way. It was
the cocaine deal with the broker and the cocaine deal
and all that.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Yeah, I looked it up.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yeah, they got a presidential pardon back in February, got
pardoned for it all.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Now we come full circle back to something that you
brought up, Zach right, become full circle run by do it?
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Two thousands though, that shows that the era persists.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
And I told you it went longer than the eighties
and the nineties. It's just it's just kind of looked different, right,
but it was still a long trail of that same
subject line.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Trail being an operative word there. Oh yeah, yeah, there's
that era actually of the Leah when you were when
you were playing man, there were some guys that like, Man, like,
what is you doing?
Speaker 5 (28:33):
Well?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I think, wait a minute, because Bengals, You're not just
going to just put that on my arrow. I mean
we got a Tonio Brown and Brennan I yuk. I
think the clips.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
That'll stand out because it's singular. Dudes. You had whole
teams that were like what are you doing? You know
by Jimmy Smith down there in Jacksonville, you know Minnesota.
You know about the Cincinnati Bengals. That's the whole reason
Goodell became commissioners, because Sheriff Rodger was going to come
in and clean this thing up.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Right in two thousands was wild man.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, it was. It was a wild time. But guess what,
they played some great football doing those doing those errors.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
They were at real fast early hard knocks.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yes, but back when the hard knocks was was good
real uh huh. We're getting nostalgia during that we got
to check what traffic with Dave with Brian Welo. Back
to the Broncos Country tonight, benjmin all Bright, mcferguson, Zach
Segers carrying you all the way up to the.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Top of the hour when Jack and Zach take over
the call.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Colorado Rockies taking on the San Francisco Giants. Gonna be
Ryan Feltner for the Rockies four two seven e r
A three and two forty four k twenty walks and
one point two two whip up against uh is It
Hut and his Carson Wizard. Hut getting his second go
this season for the Giants. He won his other appearance
five innings, three point six e r A, two k's,
(29:57):
two walks, one point six whip U And ought to
be an interesting game there as the Rockies look to
battle their way out of last place in the West there,
and you know, got a good chance of doing that
getting a little stretch here against Cevasgille Giants.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, the Giants are not doing too well. I mean
in their last series against the Blue Jays, you know,
they struggled a little and looking back really quickly on
that series against the Dodgers, there were a couple of
good things that you know, if you are Rockies fans,
you love about the team's fight. And Mookie Betts, who
is the Dodgers star, he had some really positive things
(30:34):
to say about the players of the Rockies. He called them,
you know, grinders me paraphrasing here and just say that
this was a team that, hey man, this was a
group that is they love, they they love to play
with one another. They're really scrappy bunch. And I think
if there was a way to look at the Rockies,
(30:55):
even though the outcome hasn't gone the way that you know, you,
I think that's one thing that you can say, they're
really sscribing a bunch, but you want them to start
to play, you know, meaningful games. And I'm talking about
like putting back to back series together, being able to
show that you can play with teams like the Dodgers.
(31:17):
And I'm hoping that going into the San Francisco Giants game,
they look back at the Dodgers game and say, hey, listen,
we were right there in a couple of innings, we
just couldn't really seal the deal. So hopefully they will
be have the ability to take it out on the
Giants tonight.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, the Giants managed by Tony Vitello, who.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Made history jumping from the college ranks to the pro
to being a pro baseball manager.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
With no previous professional experience.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I was previously an assistant at Arkansas and then he
was the head coach at Tennessee for about six seven
years and then you know, he moved on to the
Giants are and you know, so far it hasn't been great,
but we'll see how it works out.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
The pride of Say Louis, Missouri, where I was also born.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
So little little things I know about random baseball manager.
As far as it goes, it is nice to see
the Rockies uh uh making some noise though, you know,
I mean going up against the Dodgers, get them wins
and uh you know, you you you find a way
to claw your way out a last place in the division.
You're no longer epically bad. You're at least competitive in games.
And the Rockies have done a good job getting late
(32:21):
runs this year. That's been that's been a hallmark of
their success.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
You know, I've been I think that's all you can
ask of this roster right now, just show that you
can be competitive. String some wins together and just kind
of continue to build every single week. Just don't go
into the slumps and walk into a game like, well,
this team is so much better than we are from
a record standpoint.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
We don't stand the.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Champions Rockies and the Giants. Chack and Zac can on
the call right here.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Don't kay away.
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