07-10-26 Hour 1 of Broncos Country Tonight

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Rockies coming up at seven thirties, actually years back
there behind the glass and five six six nine zero
is the text line as always already.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Get the text line popping three or three. I don't
like it when your fine programs preempted for the Rockies.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Well I appreciate that programming note if you don't want
our program preempted by the Rockies. Next week we will
have full shows Monday through Thursday, as there will obviously
there'd be no Rockies during the MANJ League Baseball all
start week.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yeah, shout out to the all starry break. I gotta
love that.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
So we'll have full shows Monday through Thursday next week
and look forward to looking forward to that. A lot
of news to get to you. I'll try to get s
this here. Let's see Spain dispatch Belgium in.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
The World Cup.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I don't know if you guys are still watching that
or not know that the no.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
That Murca is no longer in it. Spain beat Belgium
two to one to go on to play France and
what many will consider to be, if not the championship game,
obviously the de facto championship. As they are, they're considered
two of the best teams out there.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
I think Spain has a chance to win it all,
so we'll see. I fully agree. But if France does
and definitely has a chance to win it all as well,
they look like the clear soccer power of the twenty
first century. You know, it's cheating a little, but you
go back to ninety eight, you look at the last
seven World Cups. But you know, twenty eight years, no
team other than France has won multiple and if they

(01:18):
win this year, they'd have three. All those other teams
would be for one each. You know, it's like Spain,
it'll be some of the usual suspects. And then beyond that,
even no team's been a runner up multiple times, France
has already been a runner up twice. So if they
just beat Spain, they'll be kind of solidifying their role
as like the new soccer power of the twenty first century,
which is interesting because I still don't think of them

(01:40):
that way. I would think of Brazil or Spain first. Yeah, Brazil, obviously,
not even in Argentina.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
In fact, Argentina, the somebody put a map out today
and it showed like all the teams that are still
in it, like on the European coast there and you know,
down to it and then you have Argentina is the
only non you know that's still sitting there, that's still
in it.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Ar is a pretty decent team, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
I think they are ranked number one in the world
as a team, but if you're a soccer fan, you
probably consider France and Spain better.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Where do you fall on the Argentina controversy because just
dipping my toe into the FIFA world for this World
Cup something I've seen a lot from the international fans,
where I guess even the more diehard soccer fans state
side is a frustration with Argentina getting so many calls. Obviously,
they are the reigning champions. The head of FIFA, President

(02:30):
of FIFA, whatever its title is, is Argentinian. But do
you think there's any It's kind of like what I
remember was going on with the Chiefs a couple of
years back, where everyone was finally, I mean, it's rigged
in their favor to you do you.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
First of all, it was not rigged for the Kansas
City Chiefs. Let me start there, and then you know
they're bad. Calls get made, and yes, some teams disproportionately
for stretches of times get more of those calls. And
I will say teams with superstars tend to get calls anyway.
If you've got somebody that keeps eyeballs, they just tend
to get calls.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Pat Maholmes at that point time was was untouchable.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
And he since come back to Earth, but he you know,
at that point he was untouchable.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
He was a draw MESSI is absolutely a worldwide draw
MESSI starred him. I don't think people in the United
States really realize just what a worldwide star he is.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
He like he takes exorbitant appearance fees to go. You know,
he went to a soccer match in India and just
walked through or whatever, like for twenty minutes, walked through
and made a ton of money.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
There were the fans were screaming and just I mean
freaking out. He is.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
He is like the Michael Jackson of soccer. And some
of you hearing me aren't gonna remember. But like the Beatles,
like it's that kind of popularity.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
It's absolutely not not a big deal here, but absolutely massive.
I mean, he's Taylor Swift for the soccer world widely
considered to be the goat, it's like, and I think
his profiles probably even larger than Brady because Brady was
in New England and that they, you know, tried to
stifle a lot of the media presence for a large
portion of his career. But we all see how forward

(04:01):
facing he is now. Lebron's maybe a better example here
in Americas, you know, at the top tier athlete who
has all the media and spectacle and everything except like
you said, Messi's that. But on a global stage, he's
you know, insanely popular in South America, most of North America,
that's not the USA, you know, all throughout Europe, all
throughout Africa, and in parts of Asia and Australia. He's, yeah,

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the global sensation and I think eighty ninety percent of
people would consider him the go to. Put in perspective.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Messi's career earnings are almost two billion dollars billion with
a B two billion.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Dollars one point eight billion dollars.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Only four athletes in history have become a billionaire while
actively competing in their sport, Lotel Messi, Christiano Ronaldo both
in soccer, and then Lebron James, who could be coming
here to Denver possibly and Tiger Woods. Those are the four.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Another metric social media followers, which again flawed, but it
is what it is. James one hundred and fifty four million,
Leonel Messi, who isn't even that active on social media
compared Toronto or someone five hundred and twelve notes he has.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Five times the social media falling of Lebron. The Lebron
tarage can't keep up. So that's yeah, there are there
are four athletes that you know, have become billionaires while playing.
Two of those Americans Lebron, James, Tiger Wood, and then
of course Run although in soccer and Messi, and Messi
dwarfs everybody in terms of his He's made one point

(05:30):
two billion dollars just from contracts and then another six
hundred million from endorsements, and that is that is an
absolutely obscene amount of money. I mean, like like two
billion dollars play soccer.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
That is it's it's really hard to think about and
whoever's next, like Lemina Mall or whatever, is going to
completely dwarf that because yeah, so much of Messi's career,
We've all seen how sports has exploded over the last
you know, ten to fifteen years as the media lands
gape changes and it becomes the only valuable thing on TV. Man,

(06:03):
imagine what that next wave of you know, soccer superstars.
Imagine where in Boppe or Holland are going to be
when they're wrapping things up Tom Brady. To put this
in perspective, because I'm sure people want to know on
the football scale, where this is Tom Brady for his
career one of the highest football earners of all times
at three hundred and thirty three million, like Matt Stafford
is the all time leader.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
And so Brady's also known for career longevity.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
It's just crazy to think you'd have to stack he
played Tom Brady careers. That's what over a century, one
hundred and twenty years of playing quarterback to equal what
Messi's done. And you know, you know it's to say,
like football is the glory sport here in America, but
in terms of career earnings, your best off, I mean, basketball,
baseball off guaranteed contract.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Soccer has guaranteed contracts.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
You know, in soccer, if you if you've got that
kind of talent, you could make an obscene amount of money.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
You know that that's one of those things. You know,
you look back and we were talking about.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
This the other day about why Americans white soccer doesn't
take off here in America's just because our best athletes
play other sports, although that is part of it.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
There's a gateway to playing soccer here in America.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
It costs you thousands of dollars to have a teenager
play soccer here in America.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
And it shouldn't. It's it's in normal opposite everywhere else
you get paid to play soccer at that age.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
You know where it costs, where it costs parents here,
you know, thousands of thousands of dollars to put their
kids in soccer. In Norway or in these other countries
where soccer is that you get paid to play at
the club level at fourteen.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Well, and obviously Brazil's fallen off some, but you know,
a fairly impoverished nation that is known Argentine has been
through some incredibly difficult economic times. They are global soccer
superpar Spain known for having some tough economic times here
in the twenty first century. And the reason it's, you know,
I guess such a democratic sport in some ways is.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
All you need is a ball.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
You can call it. You can make anything at all
a bfr you're trying to take that. That's why soccer
is a white sport. It with no hurdle, financial hurdles. Soccer.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
That's why soccer is so popular the world over because
he's the cheapiest, easiest, most accessible sport to play. You
can be a dirt poor person as long as you've
got a ball or something that resembles a ball, you
can prop up some sticks and make a goal. You
got flat ground, you know, somewhat flat ground, you could
kick it around like you can make anything into And
so that's why that that sport is just so popular

(08:22):
the world over is because it's accessible anybody. It's not
you know, like hockey, where you have to have hundreds
and thousands of dollars worth of equipment, you know, or
you know football, you.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Got to have hundreds and thousands of dollars worth of equipment,
you know it.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
With soccer, you can play one on one, you can
play on a dirt patch.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
As long as you've got a ball. You can figure
it out. It's frustrating because the US Soccer Federation seems
content to just keep smacking its head against this wall
and right into the same problem and hoping that you know,
the next wave of talent eventually comes without them changing anything.
And you know, you look on the other side of
the world with Japan, who's launched I think sometime in

(08:59):
the ninety they launched this like World Cup initiative where
it was like, we're going to change the way we're
doing everything, try to get this sport popular with young people,
even down to the point of like what programming we're
putting on TV. And then you know, in one hundred.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Years time, we're going to win a World Cup.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
And you look at how far they've come, you know,
over that recent time, where they went from being a
laughingstock that wouldn't often make the World Cups. Now they're
consistently a knockout stage team. It feels like if the
US were to implement a similar program, they might be,
you know, asserting themselves is at least a team that
can hang with the Belgiums of the world, even if
they're not on the level of a France or Spain.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, and so I mean part of it, you know,
as we said, there is sort of the our best
athletes play other sports. Can you imagine if guys like
Jefferson or Odell Beckham had played soccer.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
As a way, I mean, they would dominate.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
It would absolutely you know, they're guys out there that
we had that play these sports that would absolutely redefine
the sport.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Or like the Isaiah Mackenzies or kJ h Amblers of
the world, like the guys who were those guys probably
as a winger, crazy skills, but maybe not as striker.
Can you imagine him playing Holland's position, you know, like
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
There are there are guys out there that could have
been could have redefined the sport.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Christian Watson could be Holland, no problem.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Like pick your Nico Collins, pick your six four wide
receiver with like four or three speed. Those guys exist.
Kelvin Benjamin could have you know, I mean like look
at those kinds of guys, like you know.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
There were big the big wide receiver, too big for receiver,
too small for tight end, like those guys play in
that position. Yeah they would, they would if they had
any foot hand eye foot coordination or handfoot foot eye
coordination whatever.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
You know that that he could dominate the sport. And
that is a part of it.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
But again the other part of it is the accessibility,
And like I said, it was it was his debate
raging the day. And then somebody was like, well, what
you don't want our kids to pay to pay and
get properly coached. I'm like, they get properly coached in
other countries. Tell me how that works, you know. So
there's it's it's fascinating to sort of see the debate.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
I guess on that.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
And if I had a kid and I was, you know,
I was doing that, I put them in soccer absolutely
see if they you know, if they enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
I'm not, you know, but I put them in soccer
and see if they enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. I
played in my youth. I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Uh, we didn't by the time I got to a
high school, didn't really have high school soccer where I was,
and everybody played football anyway. But you know, I mean
I played striker, played winger. I I tried playing goalie once.
That was a disaster, but you know, I mean it
was fun.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Between how many spots there are out there in the
world through you know, youth programs like the Soccer Developmental
Ladder is like such a vast program with thousands upon
thousands of different teams and programs and whatnot, and then
you think about how few Americans are really entering that world.
I agreed, if I had a kid who was athletic
and really into sports and you know, wanted to try

(11:42):
and make a career out of it, I definitely kind
of nudge them towards soccer because I to me.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
College scholarships, the pathway is there.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
It seems like the most successible path. I haven't researched
the numbers, but anecdotally it would seem like that's so
much more like basketball, for example, there's you know, ten
roster spots that matter across There's three hundred jobs in
the world that are like a professor NBA level professional basketball.
There's so many, like like hundreds, if not thousands, of
comparable jobs, tens of thousands, maybe even in that soccer sphere. Yeah,

(12:14):
and like, for instance.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
In England, once you're sixteen, you automatically start earning money.
If you're playing at the club level, you make about
two hundred pounds a week. And it's not life changing
money or anything, but I mean that's that's seven thousand
pounds of a soccer season. And as a you know,
as a sixteen year old, I mean it's you know,
that's more money than you're making. Order at the gap,
it's not that different from what we have with the
minor league system here, Like we it's clear that this

(12:36):
can be implemented here.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
There's something similar to it to the right effect.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
And then you know, you're seventeen, you can sign up,
your stipend goes away, you can sign a professional contract
to be a fifteen hundred pounds a week, you know.
So then alost, now all sudden, you're making six thousand
pounds a month. I mean, that's that's decent money, and so.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Really not especially because pounds are more than dollars.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
So then as a seventeen year old, you know, you're
you're making some some money.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
You have me like six figures over here just about yeah,
and so.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well I mean over there though you got taxes, yeah,
like that are taking a bigger bite and all that.
But but still at the end of the day, I
mean it's it's this system that we have here is
not really designed.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
He's not really designed for that.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Three or three uh says my daughter played six years
on a travel e CNL team three thousand dollars a
month including our travel. That's what he was he was
paying out, not she was gonna pay. He was paying
out three grand a month. Meanwhile at England you're getting
You're getting six grand a month.

Speaker 3 (13:30):
No, it's it's insane.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
And again because so many of these programs, like in
FC Barcelona finds Laminamol, who's now, you know, top five
player in the world. They find him as a teenager,
bring him into their program. You know, Like I feel,
you know, maybe more accessible now that there's a Denver
Summit team here. Yeah, but you look at I worked
for chessa briefly before I came here. If you look

(13:52):
at the women's national team for the USA, or any
measure that how many players are in the NWUS, the
National Women's Soccer League, Colorado is disproportionately represented. Like there,
we produce so much soccer talent, why are we shipping
it to every other corner of the country, forcing all
these people to travel and you know, do whatever else.

(14:15):
When I feel like it would just steal the European model,
it works pretty well, just to just get them in
the system for the Denver Summit or for the Colorado
Rapids or whatever. And just tutor them and expose them
to competitions that way and not you know, cut so
many people off with these insane financial barriers. And I
think that's probably the way we're headed is inverting the
model that we have. You look at the way NIL has.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Taken over in football and college athletics, and I think
we're probably headed for something akin to some of the
club the way that the Club of the way people
do that in foreign countries, because the current model of
NIL is not sustainable and obviously what they were doing
before that was not sustainable. Is the Dan broke on that,
But I think that's where we're headed because in as

(14:59):
capitalist a world as we live, that that's how you're
going to have to do it. Parents can't afford the
ever escalating costs to have their children play these sports.
I mean, the guy whoever taketed it a little bit
ago three grand I'm not just for soccer.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Why do you think there's such a hesitancy for the
US to invest in that stuff because they invest a
ton in you know, being the Olympic superpower that we are,
Like that's a lot of take somebody step up to
the plate. Nobody's done that it's you just take somebody
stepping up to play as soon as somebody had a
club team here, and then everybody wants to be a
part of that. Well, then other people are going to
emulate that model.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
So it just takes somebody doing it to do it,
and they haven't had to do it so far. There
hasn't been a big enough swell for that to be
a thing. Prior to the WNBA forming, there wasn't a
big enough, you know, swell for that to happen. The
WNB keeps growing and more and more people are watching that,
and you know, I mean, it's it's just taking it.
Take it's doing it to do it at the end
of the day. And I think a lot of people

(15:54):
look around. It's like, who's going to be the first
person to.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Step up and do this? And and and that's the part.
You know, you have to doing it.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
You have to figure out a way to make your
model profitable to be able to pay them, right. Uh,
the easiest way to do it is, Okay, you pay
us to play, and then we do that.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
Okay, but that eventually hits a cap.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
There's a you know, like if you if you're paying
players and then you're figuring out a way to get
those parents at the gate for tickets or whatever. There's
there's different ways to do this, and I just I
feel like that the club, that that whole setup is
probably the wave of the future for this kind of stuff.
It just it just makes way too much sense to me.
Five six six nine zero text line. You guys want

(16:33):
to get involved in the conversation, of course. Seven third,
we got Jack and Zach on the calls the Colorado Rockey.
He's taken on the giants out there in San Francisco.
A little weather in the area here too, And I
picked the exact right time to walk over here and
get dumped on by the rain.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
And then as soon as I walked in it cleared up.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Now I'm looking at now I'm looking out of here,
is this blair and sunny out I uh my, My
timing on that is.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Is absolutely impactable.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Every time, Like I always picked the exact moment when
it's gonna rain and just get.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Rained on, and then that it clears up soon as
I get here. Yeah, it was looking I was looking
up them like am I gonna hit my lightning? It
was like a cartoon. The trees were all shaken and
it was dark out it was and now it's all sunny. Yep.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
That was That was one of those like, uh, I
felt like it was back in Tampa for a second.
Those are real quick storms that creeps up on you
at exactly five o'clock in the afternoon that it's over with. Yeah,
oh we're off of a rolling here five six, six
times text line got a couple here, just give over
most of these.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
But yeah, it's mostly saying the same thing.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
I mean, just talking about how much soccer costs and
how much use sports in general costs. Because to me
and you know who should start the club thing basketball AAU,
that system is.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Killing the development of American basketblay And honestly, this is
a great example if you look at how we develop
our basketball talent with the a AU kind of pay
to play model, and look at now the global basketball
rinks and how a you know, disproportionate number of the
very best players in the world are coming from you know,
international places instead of being homegrown. And there's kind of

(18:12):
this you know, keem USA basketball crisis about man, where
are we going to find that next wave? Once Lebron
and Stephan kd all all retire, which is going to
be the next Olympics.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Man aa use a big problem.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
They need to start addressing or adopting some of these
these models other countries have. But I feel like that's
the future for that because again, you look at this
stuff and profitability gets capped out at a certain point.
You can only ring so much money out of parents
to do this with the kid and then and then
it tops out. So as a as a business interest,
you have to look at this is what.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Is my maximum profitability and then on the other side
of that was my long term gain here and flipping
the script on that and going to club model where
you're getting scholarships or you're recruiting people and you're paying them.
That's the way to do it. That's the wave of
the future and it just takes somebody jumping on board
to do it. We got to hit a break Brocos
Country Night back up for this.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
It's been all rights.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Next THEK you're here with you say you up toil
some thirty Rocky he's taking on the Dodgers, Jack and Zach.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
On the call.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
The text line five six six n zero, somebody said
soccer sucks mostly because of two words stoppage time. I
would rather cut an apple in a half and see
which side turns brown first than to watch soccer. I mean,
that's pretty extreme. I never I didn't like soccer. I
mean I played it, you know, as a kid or whatever.
I didn't like soccer as a professional sport up until probably,

(19:31):
I don't know, the late two thousands, early twenty tens.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
I was talking to h at the time.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Was he at the time, Well, it doesn't matter anyway,
he's an assistant coach in the NFL now, and he
was doing he was doing coaching in the NFL, but
it was.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Very low level of time.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
And he was talking about kind of watching soccer for
some ideas on spacing concepts, looking at different sports.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
For ideas on spacing concepts and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
And I was like, yeah, but that's a fluid motion sport,
not a not a stop and go sport. I don't know,
you know, if that necessarily works, but it got me
looking at it with that eye on it. And once
I started looking at the game through that lens, I
don't I started appreciating a lot more. And then you
start getting into some of the tactics of the individual
Taxis And I've talked about some of these clubs uh
that I that I like that.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Do to do different things, like something very different, right.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
I've talked about Carona in Theliga and gtef I both
played in Inliga in Spain.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Uh In Jose bern As.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
They play the hyper defensive, physical, assault you style of
soccer and it's it's it's sort of fascint They they
consistently have some of the lowest scoring games out there
and win one nothing, you know, stuff like that. They
draw against great teams. The idea is keep kicking it out.
You're going to corners like we're going to corners. We're
going to corners, and keep getting you know, keep interrupting

(20:53):
the flow of things, and then play a mid block
four four two which is up basically their formation sets
up in the middle of the field around the middle line,
and they're trying to keep the ball, you know, they're
trying to play good defense and keep the ball on
that in uh Youurona, who is coached by again named Michelle,
who is a former player, has this crazy like hyper possession,

(21:14):
which a lot of Spanish soccer is hyper possession.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Is that that tiki taka is the is the nickname
for it. Uh.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
It all comes from uh uh pep Portiola who got
it from Krout. But it's it's it's a hyper possession
style of soccer, except the way they do it at
Girona is these these asymmetrical.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Sort of formation.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
So in a lot of soccer, what you get is
these very symmetrical Hey, we're dividing the field into these
little quadrants or whatever it is. You know, however, your
formation is we're dividing into these zones and this you're
responsible for. They Girona they do something wildly different where
they'll try to overload one side of the pitch.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
That they'll try to overload the right side of the
field and then whip it.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Back across to the other side to get an iso
uh with their like with their winger and and try
to and try to do that kind of stuff. They
use their they don't use their striker the same way. Like,
for instance, if you're watching Norway, we've talked about Holland
and how big he is and all that kind of
stuff that you do use a big striker, but they
used him sort of as a box out man to
clear for for the wing. And I just find stuff
like that, like those kind of concepts, it's fascinating.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
I mean, my old time.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Favorite coach in soccer is Zennig Zeeman, who is a
Czech Italian guy. It was basically the Mike D'Antoni of soccer.
He did not believe in playing defense. It was all offense.
And so it's the opposite of what I mentioned when
I was talking about Giron a minute ago, where they
play that mid black four four.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Two z man. He was like a mad man.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
His players had to be in like hyper shape and
they would make it rain goals. They played the four
three three and they would they would play an ultra
high block, an ultra high press.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
And so what would happen is, uh, they would they
would score a ton of goals, but they would get
a ton of goals scored on them too. Like if
you if they got a bust, you know, when the
ball got passed, it's roll it all the way back
and you get a one on one, it's over. So
but he was kind of like the Mike d'antni of soccer.
He was like, just shoot, just keep shooting. Get him
up there, keep it going, keep the pace high, get
up there and just keep shooting. And so that's I

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think stuff like that is just fascinating to me. I
get where people find soccer, you know, in some ways boring,
but I think there are more ways to play soccer
than there are ways to play football, and that to me,
that's that's sort of a fascinating conundrum, you know, is
the variety of styles that you can have, I think.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Creates a it creates more interesting game.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
The thing that it bugs me a little is when
people talk about soccer being so low scoring. Well, if
we didn't count touchdowns as seven points, we count him
as one, a lot of American football games would be
quite low scoring.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
You know. It's just like you had a two to
one game Spain and Belgium playing today, right, but that's
fourteen to seven if we're talking American football.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
That doesn't all of a sudden, that doesn't seem as
low scoring when you put it in those cuts arms.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, I think the strategy of soccer is definitely one
of the more appealing bits. The scoring, I would agree,
is you know, less of a problem, you know, the difference.
I think it's just soccer. The clock's constantly moving, it's
the game is in a sense constantly in play and
you still have that amount where so much of the
football clock isn't action, So that's also a detriment to football.

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You could argue to me the thing that kills me
with soccer, and I do enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
I've gotten into it more.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Than lopping up.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
The flopping is kill It just kills me.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
It is. It really is an impediment. And I get
why they do it because you like, you have to
ride around in pain to get the officials to try
and stop it or blow the whistle or do whatever.
But man, it is it's a light on the game.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
I'll just call it what it is because it's the
same thing in NBA basketball. It's making basketball unwatchable. Yes,
at this point is worse than basketball. It's really bad
right now bad, and soccer is worse. And it is
I think the main impediment because people are like the
stoppage time thing.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
People don't get. It's just the.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Rest it pause on the on their little stopwatch or
whatever while action is paused because it's the continuous clock
and then they know to add that time on the
back end, and that's really what it is. And they
also when you're in overage time. If there's stoppages, they
stop it and continue to add in the over So
I get it. A lot of people don't get that.
We're not used to that. We're used to concise clocks
and knowing when the final second is and so I

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get that. I don't think soccer is going to be
changing that anytime soon. So that's something you have to hear.
But the flopping is it's it's atrocious, and you see
it out there in World Cup action, you see it
in the NBA and and the NBA. It's just killing
me because I mean, you are you are looking at
things that like Jordan would have. Jordan would be too

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embarrassed to do some of the things that some of
these players do now to get you know, to get
contact foul free throws.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Well, it's a Now it's a defining part of the game.
I mean, the analytics have shown it's the you know,
most efficient shot or whatever. So having a guy who
can hunt those foul baiting opportunities is great. Like could
you imagine how much like Jokic is already incredibly valuable,
arguably the best and most valuable player in the world,
if he got the whistle that in SGA, and I

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know he flops, I'm not trying to say he doesn't,
But if he got the whistle that in SGA, or
a Jalen Brunson or a fill in or a Luka
Doncic gets, can you imagine how wildly efficient his offense
would be. Then it's still like the best we've ever seen.
And that's with him getting a really unfavorable whistle, which
I think has kind of led to him becoming more

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demonstrative and more unflopping because he's just trying kind of
like we just talked about the soccer players trying to
get the rest to you know, actually call the call
the foul.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
But yeah, it's terrible in.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
The NBA right now, it feels like it's a prerequisite
to winning to have one of those players playing this really,
you know, to use the social media term like unethical
brand of basketball to put it in perspective with THISGA,
because Nick tries to argue with me on this all
the time. He's wrong.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
SGA has over the last two seasons one thousand, five
hundred and fifty two free throw attempts. The next closest
guy is four hundred and twenty five free throw attempts
less than him, which.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Is like about two thirds of what SGA has roughly well,
I to say SGI so.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Four to twenty five. He has roughly sixty to seventy
percent of the amount of free throws. SGA has drawn
one thousand and seventy three fouls over the last two years.
One thousand, seventy three fouls. That is ninety four more
than anyone else.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
And then you see him go away from that style,
like Game seven of the Western Conference Finals against the Spurs.
I was like, this guy's awesome. He voted in the
second half. With that first half, I was like, where
to do this? Do this and you'd be the most
popular player in the league. This is about fun, exciting
brand of basketball, you know, tough shot making. And he

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doesn't do that. Ninety percent of the time. He's looking
to grift of a free throw call. It's just and
that's the thing I get. You know, every now and
then the quarterback gets hit laid and they over embellish
to try and get fifteen years.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
The difference is that's not the aim of the NFL play.
It's not like, oh, so you're gonna hold on to
the ball to the last second throw it and then
we're gonna hope we get a rough in the passer call.
There's no NFL plays that are designed are called regularly
to try and bait the defense or vice versa into
making a penalty. And then that's like such a large

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swath of the NBA playbook right now. It's gross.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, it's it's just I mean, even when Jordan was
at the height of being Jordan, he was still well
below these numbers in terms of drawing, like he would
have drawn three hundred fewer free throws over two seasons.
And you know, you know, more physical league than SGA,
And so it's just one of those things like, yeah,
you gotta have fouls, but we got to find a

(28:52):
way to regulate, you know, the obvious floppages and the
I'm gonna seek out contact and then flail backwards and ten.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
That you know, I'm the one that got fouled. There
a more physical brand of basketball, and you have to think, well,
think about how much money Michael Jordan was raking into
the NBA in the nineties. I know SGA's piplored out,
but it's not like what Jordan was doing. And yet
still he was getting. You could argue less preferential treatment.

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Zac Seekers take all way up till seven thirty, Jack
and Zach on the calls, Rockies take it on the.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
San Francisco Giants. Rockies put it to the Dodgers at
the top of the division, and then drop it to
the the Jehiants are at the bottom. That was not
I needed that to get off the schneid on the
show me the money, but not the way you wanted
to see it go.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
If you're a you're a Rockies fan, it was tight
there for a minute and then and then and then
it wasn't really blew up.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, that's uh, I will say.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
If you track, you know, they're winning percentage and all
that and what they're on pace for and it's kind
of damning with faint praise, but they're on pace to
have their first, you know, season with less than one
hundred losses in four or five years. They're on and
again they have to keep it up, but they're on
pace to finish with ninety six ninety five losses, which

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would be an improvement of nearly thirty wins, which flying
leap forward. It looks a lot like the White Sox
who had a historically bad year.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
I think they actually set the record for most losses.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Took a you know, sizable leap last season where they
were still very bad, one of the worst teams in
the league, but not historically so.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
And now this year they're.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Like a plucky upstart team competing for a wild card spot.
I that track seems achievable for the Rockies now with
the new management that it does.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
You have Tanner Gordon taking on Robbie Ray tonight Gordon
six n ra oh and two forty six strikeouts on
the season, Robby ray through four five R eight and
six eighty six strikeouts and a one two three whip.
You know, I just I love the fact that they're competitive,
They're they're they're moving forward. That's that's a big thing.
I Mean, they're not what I would call good, but

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they're at least competitive at this point. And that's that's
the first step. You know, the journey of a thousand
miles begins with a single step. They went from epically
bad last year to uh just bottom of the division
this year.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
And you at least have things to like get excited
about as a fan. Last year, you know, following the
team running some of the Games. You know, Hunter Goodman
had a great season and that was like the one
narrative or storyline hang you had on, you know, hanging
out on This year, You've got you know QJ. Rumsfield emerging,
is this great story. You might win Rookie of the Year.
You've got car Cole Carrick coming out of nowhere looking awesome.

(31:38):
You've got these young up and coming pitchers that are
having some really promising moments. The bullpen has had you know,
a great month here, a really rough month there.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
That's been something to follow.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
There's hope, there's like a point in following this team
where last year just felt so hopeless for so much
of the year. Yeah, and so it's been a welcomer
spite having the Rockies be be competitive. It's one of
those things like because people are you know, always text
about us being off the air when the Rockies are on, and.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
I'm like, yeah, it's does.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
I don't mind it, but I really mind it when
they're not good, you know, because then I'm like, I
got to keep up my airtime for this.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yesterday especially or not yesterday. Last year especially last year
was just it was brutal, and then you know, and then.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Last year I was and I was kind of I
think you could kind of tell by mid season where
I was at with that because I was pretty snyde
on the air about it. And it's good. It's good
to see them being competitive. I think the deep desta
eras off to the to the right start. I think they'll, you.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Know, they'll continue to figure things out as they continue
to put this thing together. And I actually enjoyed watching
the Rockies again. So there's that.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
And they've got I mean, you got talent, you got
good when you got Runfield, you already talked about, you've
got Mickey Moniac.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
I'm interested to see what the Rockies is going to
do at the deadline here.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
That that I think is is sort of jumping out
at me, like what are they going to do here
at the.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Deadline with some of these these other pieces.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
But you know, there's there's a lot to like, there
are there's a lot to look at here and say, Okay,
they've they've got a little something to build a rounds
and something to keep you excited going forward.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Exactly, And that's all you can ask for. Well, you
want more as a fan, but that's that's the bare minimum,
and they're at least clearing that threshold. Now we got
a break NFL six pack, We come back.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Day, taking you all the way up. The bottom of
the hour will give way to Rocky's Baseball. Jack Corgan
that com on the calls a Rocky gonna take on
the San Francisco Giants' about an NFL six pack.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
It's time for the NFL six pack. Insight and insight
information you can't find anywhere else.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
No.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Six the top six NFL headlines. Starting off with a
little Denver Broncos news. Zach Allen became the first Bronco
to appear on the NFL's Top one hundred player list
this week, ranking is the NFL's seventy third the best
player in the eyes of his peers. The rest of

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the eighty to seventy one range that got released this
week has AJ Brown at eighty, Travis Kelsey at seventy nine,
Josh Sweat at seventy eight, Baker Mayfield seventy seven, JC
Horns seventy six, Budda Baker seventy five, Josh Jacobs seventy four,
Zach Allen seventy three, Jordan Love at seventy two, and
ze flowers at seventy one. What do you make of

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that assessment? And do you think Allen is too low,
too high, or just right.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Allan's absolutely the top hundred player, so good to see
him getting his flowers there. I feel like he's better
than the group of players that he's sort of included
with here. I probably would have had him what would
have wind up being roughly ten player slots higher or
something in that general range. Yeah, Allen's the engine that moves,
moves the needle, and Alan draws two bodies every time
he's going after the quarterback. I got freeze up guys

(34:52):
like Nick Ponido or John Cooper whatever to get after
the quarterback. And so you know, I think I think
he's currently underrated because maybe he doesn't have the highest
anut sacks, but if you had a stat call you know,
called sacks caused you know what I mean, he would
certainly be much higher.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Let those guys get clean up stuff from Zach Allen's work, and.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Then even you know the stats, we do have quarterback
hits over the last two years, he leads the NFL.
I think he's got like the most a two year
span since like JJ Watt or something. He's been amazing.
He is. He's been phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
And it's funny because I can remember when Vance brought
Zach Allen over from Arizona and everybody in Denver was
melting down because well, you gotta keep Draymont.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
And I'm like, man, I don't know if you guys
have seen this guy. He's good.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Just because he plays for Arizona, Nobody saw him, but
he's good and it sure has worked out for Vance,
Joseph and the never Broncos' Zach Allen two.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Next up here. Zach Allen also made his debut on
ESPN's annual rankings of the top ten players at each position.
Has never cracked that list before a defensive tackle. That
list is against sourced from the NFLGM Scouts coaches. How
about that ranking as the eighth best defensive tackle in
the sport. The rest of the DT rankings for context

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to have Jordan Davis at ten, Milton Williams at nine,
and Zach Allen at eight, Dexter Lawrence at seven, Quentin
Williams at six, Derek Brown at five, Chris Jones at four,
Jalen Carter at three, Jeffrey Simmons at two and Leonard
Williams at one. So what do you think about those
rankings and what else to you stands out about the list? Yeah,
I think that's fair for Zach Allen there. I think

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I would have put Chris.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Jones a little the other director like closer to Zach Allen.
I wouldn't put it at four. I mean, Derek Brown
is a is a manimal.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Williams dexter Dexter Lawrence.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
I mean, I I mean Williams is at nine, So
I don't you know, everybody's going to have their own
way they.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Order these kinds of things. So that's whatever.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
But he absolutely belongs on this list, and and I
think is fairly slotted, uh there at eight.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
So I'm not I'm not opposed to this. Likely we've
just got done saying.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I mean, he's a guy that he you know, you
you have to put two offensive linemen on him ever play.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah, And it's also a compliment to him.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
We are in like a golden age of defensive tackle
play right now. There's so many good ones around the NFL.
For him to be standing out, it really is a
credit to how well he's playing the thing that I
think most surprised me was Leonard Williams at one. Like,
I think he's been great for the Seahawks. But honestly,
if you asked me, like, list off your top ten
defensive tackles, I think he would have been one. I
overlooked that. I think my list otherwise would have looked

(37:27):
pretty similar. Chris Jones would have been much learned for
me as well, but I would have probably said something
like Jeffrey Simmons, Jalen Carter, Derek Brown.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Just a testament too.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
I guess what the league sees his value was on
that Seahawks defense last year.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah, I guess that is one that kind of you know,
you raised the eyebrow a little. I would have had
Simmons number one, but whatever, you know, end of the day,
I think it's a fairly decent list. For as much
as I hate these out of season lists.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
That this one's actually pretty decent. I know you hate him.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
I had to lean on him because more.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Lists, well, we're doing magazine RADIOH three.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Last list of today. Though, for the second season in
a row, brock Bauers was voted as the NFL's best
tight end in those same aforementioned ESPN position rankings has
came despite an injury played second season where his production
dramatically dropped off from that record setting rookie campaign. Do
you think the league is over rating Bowers and what
do you make of the rest of the rankings. He

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was followed by Trey McBride at two, George Kittle three,
Stanley Porta four, Tyler Warren five, Ghost and Leveland six,
Tucker Craft seven, Kyle Pitts eight, Mark Andrews nine, and
Travis Kelcey at ten.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, I Kelsey got.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
On this list is because of his name. At this point,
There's no way he's at this point. He's a tough,
best tight end in the NFL. There's plenty of guys
I think I put ahead of him. You know, Gaddinston
over with the Chargers is more productive than Travis Kelsey
at this point.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yeah, Bowers of McBride are the top two, Like that's
that's the top echelon, and then you're fighting below that
for the next thing. Kittle, A, Porto, Warren, Loveland, Kraft,
Pitts and those guys are all in that same tier.
And then after that, I mean they just tag Travis
Kelsey put him on there. Because he's you know, mister
Taylor Swift. I don't think that he belongs to the
top ten anymore Bowers, even though he was hurt. I mean,

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he's a tough matchup when he's healthy, though, Like when
he's healthy, he's bordered unstoppable. They don't have It's not
like the Raiders have other weapons that you have to
pay attention to, you know.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
I mean, they really have not had anybody.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
That you've had to pay attention to other than him. No,
and we saw, you know, Ashton Genty, this hyper special,
one of the best running back prospects we've ever seen,
plugged into that Raiders situation and it was a nothing burger.
Same thing with Brock Bowers, and he's setting rookie records.
He is, I think, extremely the real deal. I will
say I think Tucker Craft, Colston Lovelin, and Tyler Warren

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are going to round out that top five sooner rather
than later. I think they're going to pass Sam Laporta. Yeah,
and that'll be your top five tight ends in the
league for a few years.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Carroll's still getting by on name and scheme and more
so than anything else.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Just with the injuries and edge and everything. I think
he's closer to the back nine. I think Colston Lovelin,
what he did down the stretch for the Bears last year,
like he's going to be a high per elite tight
end in this league for a long time. Warren was
really impressive too, and then Tucker Kraft everyone forgets it
because of the torn acl You could argued, you know,
at some point in like October last year, he was
the best offensive player on the Packers. I had been, Yeah,

(40:14):
I'm with you on that, and I think, yeah, like
I said, I think Warren Lovelin, Pitts getting paid all
that money, it's gonna be interesting to see what he
does after getting paid like that. Yeah, if he can
back it up and start building on those momentum, sies, right,
we'll sleep for.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
On Good Morning Football.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
This morning, Derek Carr said that although multiple teams have
reached out to try and sign him out of retirement,
it would take a quote special situation to unretire. Do
you think we'll see Carr play in the NFL again?
And which teams do you think reached out to him? No,
I don't.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
The teams that reached out to him were the Raiders
before they traded for Cousins and the New York Jets,
which he I don't think he wants to do either
one of those, does he does he really want to
go back and louse. I mean he loves the Raiders,
but you know, does you want to go back and
just be the guy to give way for Mendoza and
then to the Jets? I mean you just want to
go out there and get beat up. They got Jail
Smith for that, Like, you know this, this Jets team
isn't going anywhere.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
This coaching staff doesn't appear to have their act together.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
And Aaron Glenn thing was was kind of interesting to
me because he was such a hot name and I
was like, I don't know why though.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
It's not like he's had a top unit and anything.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
And it just has not materialized there With the Jets
part of that, I mean, the Jets, as long as
they've got that ownership, they're always gonna have one faint,
one hand time behind her back. But you can make
better decisions than than somebody that hasn't been a top
at anything.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yeah, it feels like he and Dan Campbell are kind
of like two sides of the same coin, where you
have a guy who you know, isn't viewed as like
the leader of a side of the ball, but he's
viewed as for an extended period of time as Wow,
this guy's a great leader of men. He's loved in
the locker room, total players, coach, he can be a
great leader of an organization. And Brian Schottenneimer had a

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lot of those those same labels.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Too, But Brian and Dan Campbell came from a different type,
like they totally and they did great.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Yeah, and they've been awesome.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Aaron Glenn I think the example of how horribly wrong
it can go.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
And I will say the biggest thing about Dan Campbell
of Brian schottneimbers they recognize their own shortcomings and hired
great staffs. Aaron Glenn's staff is hot garbage, like he
kept he walked into the league.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
He walked into that job saying they were gonna have
the best staff in the NFL, and.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
Then he cleared out almost almost eighty percent of that
staff after one season.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
And Frank Reich is a dreadful OHC hire. In my opinion,
we're three four years removed from him. I think it's
been a half decade since Frank Reich was the offensive
play car for a team and wasn't fired before the
end of the season.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Like that's it's rough.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
I like Frank Reich, he's a good guy, but I
the game appears to I don't want to say his
pass him by, but it's a little stale. His offense
a little stale. So unless he's got some updates, nobody's
aware of, you know, and who knows? I mean if
Gino could even drive the speed limit to get to
the stadium and playing games left.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
To see five. Former Lions cornerback Terry on Arnold, speaking
of some offield stuff, has started meeting with NFL teams
he looks for a landing spot. This week, he conducted
a physical with the Houston Texans could potentially join that
stacked defense. Which teams do you expect to pursue Terry

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on Arnold? And do you think he even plays at
all this season? I mean, the legal allegations are very serious.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Yeah, that's the that's the tough portion of this is,
you know, the legal aspect of But I get a
lot of people asking me about the Broncos and you know,
any any potential interest that the Broncos may have had
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
You have great corners without off field issues. I think
their tape has been better than Terry on Arnold. You're
not importing. You're not importing all right now. They don't
have a Cooper thing.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
You're not importing issues for a team that's looking to
do a championship run.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
So I'll say this, I know Terry Arnold's PS two's buddy.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
I'm sure PS two and so the players may have
interest there, but as an organization, the Broncos do not.
I would expect Houston to be the team. I always
expected Houston to be the team we'll see. I think
it's a great fit for him and the type of.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Defense that can take a chance on a guy like
that and be just find either the way they already
have a dominant defense with or without it. So this
is one of those things. It's like, hey, come in here,
get your act together, do what you need to do,
and you can join our elite defense and if not,
we'll be fine without your kind of situations.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
So that's where I expect him to go. I know
Detroit had made a call. I mean that Detroit, Detroita
had to cut him. Oh gosh, Minnesota, Yeah, uh, Division
rival Minnesota Vikings had made a call. The Arizona Cardinals
made a call. There were a couple of the you
know teams out there, there were fishing around, but Houston's where.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
I would expect him to go six. NBC's Mike Florio
wrote a calm today arguing that the NFL should adopt
FIFA's use of the refereeview for game broadcasts. If you
haven't been watching the World Cup every now and then,
they have these cuts too. It's pretty much like a
body cam on top of these referees and get to

(44:53):
see their POV of the games.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
He argues that this would.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Improve the viewer experience and also create more sympathy for
officials and how difficult it is to make their calls.
What do you think of Florio's pitch in the arguments
he has to support it.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
I think that Mike Florio should debate Mike Florio from
four years ago when my Florio argued against this, when
I pitched the idea of bringing the aaf Sky judge
to the NFL, and he wrote me a lengthy rebuttal
on why it was a waste of time, meant more
commercials and was going to be disruptive to the flow
of the game.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
So this we need a Mike Florio in the way.
There's somebody did the Skip Bayless versus Skip Bayless. Now
we need the Mike Florio versus Mike Florio debates. Since
Mike Florio has apparently don a one to eighty and
changed his position when he was trying to debate me
on this like four years ago, that's funny. You didn't
even sign me up for that. I had no idea
that ever happened. Yeah, yeah, that's that's funny because this
article is very much the polar opposite he's talking about

(45:43):
how man these different angles. It gives you a different
perspective on the game, and it can add more clarity
and more sympathy for the refs, which a lot of
those same arguments were made for the.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Sky Judge, and the Sky Judge was a thing that
was working in the AF.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
I still have no idea why the NFL has ever
meant it that they've started to.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
They're pitching it back to New York for a more
centralized deal, you know, because they got New York looking
at these calls or whatever back in New York.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
But keep it in the stateium.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
If you're going to stay in bed with the sports books, right,
if you're gonna stay in bed with Campling, then you
have to have a degree of transparency, especially on subjective
calls that can send millions and millions of dollars across
the line one way or the other. It is always
better to have in the moment transparency on that so
that we so that you know, betters don't shy away
from your product, because that is the revenue stream now, right,

(46:29):
I mean broadcasting rights and gambling revenue or there the
one and two for the NFL. It's ticket prices are
way way down there in terms of what you're bringing in.
So if you want to keep those two revenue streams happy, that's.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
How you're gonna have to do it. And it just
seems so convoluted the way they're doing it now, you know,
just why go to you know, a special room in
New York when to your point, like it makes it
seem less transparent if you go into.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
A secret closet New York, you know kind of thing,
rather than having an on site referee with a camera
on him in real time and I'm microphone talking through
the call, so that the betters understand and the fans
understand why that call was.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
That would have been great in the Buffalo Denver game.
They could explain, like you know, explain that situation as
it goes. We wouldn't have so many uneducated Buffalo Bills
fans out there still pretending that that was a catch
and an interception and another great one to steal from
soccer the whole. You know, sometimes you can listen in
on the ref conversation.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
That's what I'm saying, a microphone, ana camera, I'm here
for all because the sky judge had the mic hot
so you could hear they were talking through it.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
You get the explanation, and you also, like you said,
it demonstrates there's no funny business going on, right And
so that's that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
I think that sort of transparency I think would be
great because you still do have quite a few people
that think things are rigged or whatever else. And you know,
everything's a conspiracy nowadays, even that that was just shooting
out there in Utah, and when Charlie Kirk got shot,
there was these conspiracy theorists all this stuff. I'm like, bro,
they've got video of Robert TYL Robinson taking the shot, Like,
I don't know what you people are on.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
But they've got videos, dude, like taking the shot, They've
got the text messages before and after like this. You know,
these conspiracy theory nuts obs out there, they do this
kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
It's it's just funny to me.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
So anyway, on that note, Colorado Rockies Baseball Coming up next.
Jack and Zacho on the call. Rocky's taken on the Giants.
Eat it right here, I k