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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Going to go right out the k what comes prol
hotline and bring on our guy, Richard Rosier's the CCO
for the Pro Football.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Always love having Rich on and the time always goes
too fast.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Rich How are you doing this evening?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I am, well, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Absolutely, we absolutely loved when you were on last time.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
We kept getting request to have you back on.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
So we figured with the Hall of Fame game right
around the corner, we need to bring Rich back.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
And get his thoughts.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
First off, I wanted to get your thoughts on on
this Hall of Fame class and then ask you if
you really have ever had a favorite Hall of Fame class?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Oh wow, you know what. They take you behind the
woodshed and they and they beat you with a stick.
You talk about the favorite classes or favorite classes or
best classes and try to you know, rank the classes
or I'll tell you this though about this group, just
the fact that two guys were first year eligible elected,
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two others elected in their second year, and the fifth
member of the class, Roger Craig. I think if you
pulled one hundred people who weren't you know, diehard fans
but knew the name Roger Craigan said, is Roger Craigan
the Hall of Fame? Ninety nine of those hundred would
have said yes, because he probably should have been in
a long time ago. So you take those five. I'm
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going to stack this class up against just about any other.
But what I really like about this class is just
how class they've been to work with and just you know,
just students of the game who want to talk football
with her. And they've been very polite, they've been very humble,
very modest, and just pretty much an easy group to
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work with. And there's a million moving parts to put
the Ensronment Week together. So when you've got when you've
got five guys and their families that are taking the
you know, taking on the responsibility that kind of goes
with being part of an event like this, it just
makes it easier. And it's it's been it's been very
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refreshing rich.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
There's a number of individuals who know about the Pro
Football Hall of Fame, but there's a large number of
people who have never had the ability to actually walk
into the building. So I want you to describe for
these individuals. I've been there, I've been there like five times,
but I want you to describe for our audience, those
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members who haven't been there, what that's like walking through
those doors.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I think one of the things that the Pro Football
Hall of Fame does well is greet the fin kind
of where they are as far as are they a
fanatic and they want to learn everything, they want to
read everything. Are they being dragged along by someone else
who is a fanatic and maybe they're not as passionate
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about the game. But I think what we're able to
do well is to reach all of those audiences with
something because a lot of what we do isn't just
you know, shove a lot of statistics down people's throats,
but we look at it more as a storytelling opportunity,
the stories behind.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
The guys, the men and women now more and more
who make the game what it is. And so if
you're just a peripheral fan just learning.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
The game a youngster, you can leave there with a
great experience. And if you're that person who has been
a fan for years and years and years, and the
sunrises and sets based on whether your favorite team wins
or loses on Sunday, we've got something for you too.
So I think I think we do humbly think we
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do a good job of reaching the people who come
through our door at whatever level of fandom you know
they hold. And if you want to be overwhelmed with
you know, with all of the items and really pour
over everything you can, and like I said, and if
that's not your thing, there's so much great storytelling that
you can learn the important learn about the important teams
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and the important people and the important events that have
shaped the game over the years.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Talking with Richard Rouziers of the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
you talked about Nick talked about first timers and that,
But what about people who've been there before? Are there
any new exhibits at the Hall this year? The people
who visited last year would be enticed to come out
and see, well.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
One of the things, well, certainly the class of twenty
twenty six, you know, front and center. As soon as
you walk in the front doors and into the main
you know, pass through the main lobby, the main exhibition
area is dedicated to the Class of twenty twenty six
and the two teams playing in the Hall of Fame
game excuse me, you know, so that turns over each
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year and then something else that I like a lot
that turns over each year. Is we have begun now
for a handful of years now celebrating anniversary classes, the
classes that were enshrined ten years ago, twenty years ago,
twenty five, all the way up to sixty now because
we're over sixty years old. So those those incremental classes.
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Every five years, we have lockers devoted to each of those,
and it gives us a chance to bring out something
like Lance Alworth's you know, powder blue San Diego Chargers
jersey from way back when he played, or Johnny Unitas's
Baltimore Colts jersey from when he played, and put a
spotlight on some of these guys. And I mentioned two
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people who are probably pretty you know, those names are
probably well known to anybody of a certain age, but
even others from you know, more recent maybe not as
well known as the two names I mentioned, but you know,
going back to people who are enshrine fifty to fifty five,
sixty years ago, these are the you know, these are
the individuals that the games was built on. And there
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aren't many people who come through the door who you know,
who know these names. Many of these names aren't household names,
and you know, who were these individuals why were they
elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. So it
gives us a chance each year to cycle through let's
you know, if you figure probably an average of five
each class, and we're celebrating ten, you know, so that's
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fifty individuals each year for the last several years, and
we've been able to reintroduce to the public. I really
like what we do there. We just put the Seahawks
on display this year as winning the Super Bowl. So
there's a huge display, sorry, Bronco fans, you know, large
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display for the Seahawks this year, and that'll stay up
until next year. Maybe next year we're swapping that out
with something for the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Well, I'm hoping, as a guy that played for Mike
Shenahan for five years, I'm hoping that there is an
inflatable balloon or there is something else that the Pro
Football Hall of Fame is doing, because now Mike Shenahan
is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. But when
I think about the positions, and there are different positions
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that are represented in the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
and I think about the Special Teams category, and the
reason I'm saying is because I cut my teeth in
the league playing special teams. And there was a guy
who I looked up to as a young player growing
up in Miami, and that was Buffalo Bill's Steve Tasker.
Is there kind of like a committee or an idea
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of bringing in an extra position to get a guy
of that caliber into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Well, Steve's gotten. Steve's gotten down, you know, kind of
into that top fifteen, top twenty five range. A handful
of times I tell you what you might you might be.
You can't be any higher than his second biggest fan,
because his first biggest fan is a one hundred year
old gentleman who writes us every year. His name is
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Marv Levy. He's one hundred now, and for the last
I don't know how many years, on an annual basis,
Marv Levy writes a letter to the Pro Football Hall
of Fame imploring the selectors to add Steve Tasker to
the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Perhaps the best thing
that happened for Steve was Devin Hester kind of breaking
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through a couple of years ago in that and Devin
played just like Steve, some at the wide receiver position,
but certainly got elected to the Pro Football Hall of
Fame based on his punt return and kick return skills,
and Steve was known probably a little bit more on
the other side for covering kicks and punts, but I
think with Devin Hester came a deeper appreciation for those
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special teams and how it is a third of the game.
And so I think we're going to see the day
when Steve is elected.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Rich Ben mentioned when we brought you on that the
Hall of Fame game is a week away. I was
wondering a little bit of the history of the Hall
of Fame game. It's awesome that it takes place in Canton,
but when did it start and who who was the
first Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Hall of Fame game actually predates the actual opening of
the museum, so the museum.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Was first.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
You know, the league said they wanted to have a
Pro Football Hall of Fame. The idea for it really
goes back to about nineteen fifty nine and some bids
went out and Canton had the history going for it.
The formation of the NFL can be traced to Canton, Ohio.
Ohio also had a huge local fundraising effort, so they
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had money in hand. They had land in hand, and
they had the historical connection. That's why the Pro Football
Hall of Fame is where it is. So from the
time the league said they wanted a Hall of Fame
till the time it actually got built took a couple
of years. The Hall opened its stores in September of
nineteen sixty three. The first Hall of Fame game, though,
was in August of nineteen sixty two, and the NFL
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brought the New York Giants and the same Lewis Cardinals
to Canton for a game. It drew a modest crowd
of about fourteen thousand fans and ended in a tie.
So I don't know if everybody won or nobody won
when the game ends in the twenty one to twenty
one tie, but it did, and it's it's one of
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only a couple ties in the history of the Hall
of Fame game. And you know, we've got the Cardinals
back this year, and the Cardinals come into their sixth
Hall of Fame game with a robust one three and
one record.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Wow, that's there we go. Let's let's get set this
thing up. I will say like that it is.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
There is something too like the Hall of Fame game
that just like it, try to camp opens here, we covered,
you know, and all that kind of stuff. But then
when the Hall of Fame game plays, that I think
is the moment for me that football season is here,
even if I've already been in camp moved for a
week and a half, two weeks whatever, at that uh,
at that point in time, tell me Richard Rosiers from
the Profobale Hall of Fame. Rich and my guy and
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I constantly camp for this and I'm not trying to
campaign for it right now with you, obviously, but I
do want to ask about this because I think the
way the game has changed has left some guys in
the dust.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And one of the guys for me is Henry Ellert.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
For me, Henry eller should have had a stone cold
lock for the whole of Fame a long time ago
and somehow slipped through the cracks due to you know,
the era he played in and then pivoting to the
you know, the big time receiver era right after. Is
Is there any other you know names you could think of,
or any other shifts in the game that you think
maybe left guys behind.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Oh, I think there's no question, and I've wondered after
you know, after Adrian Peterson at running back, you know
who's kind of left. You know, when Derrick Henry retires,
you know he will be for sure. But but the
way the running back position has changed, I think I
think that those are going to be very rare. And
you bring up a good point. Henry Ellard is sort
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of in this, you know, not too far of a
different era from another player that that I think is
very similer. Name a couple come to mind, uh, Harold Jackson,
Isaac Curtis, you know, guys who were consistent and put
up good numbers, you know, but but but maybe weren't
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as flashy. Henry Aller is a really good one. And
and just you know, not to not to get too crazy. Uh,
Henry Ellard won me a lot of games in fantasy
football back in the day when he was with the
Rams and Jim Everett was thrown to him. Uh So
I've always had just a personal soft spot for for him.
And you know, I think we can find you know,
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others like that, you know, even somebody like it. Somebody
like that, I think may get their moment again as
some of the advanced analytics, uh get more understood and
more appreciated because I think when you can't just look
at the number of receptions, the number of yards, but
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it's always got to be in the context of the
era that they play. And Ken Anderson is another one,
a senior, been a senior candidate, gotten real close a
couple of times, you know. I mean, this is a
guy who completed seventy percent of his passes, who was
an MVP, led a team to the Super Bowl. You know,
was was one of the building blocks at the quarterback
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position for the you know Bill Walsh's iteration of the
West Coast offense. And I think he's been passed over.
I think there's I think you know, you can you
can look down the list, and I think what it does, too, though,
is illustrate you know, we call it the most elite
club in football, the most elite club in sports. Even
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for as many players who have put on a you know,
a pair of pads and and played in the league,
for there to be only three hundred and now eighty
seven who can call themselves Hall of Famers does show
how difficult it is. And and we talked about when
you get down to that final fifteen each year, it
doesn't matter which five or six you take out of
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those fifteen, you're going to have a good class. And
there are people who who have gotten passed over, you know,
several years. And how is it that so and so
had to wait three years to get in, or five
years to get in, or seven years to get in.
It's because that's how fierce the competition is.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Well, I know you say that the competition is fierce,
and it is because there's a lot of quality players
and a lot of quality and guys who really influenced
and change the way that pro football is seen and
expand it.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
But I have to ask this question.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I brought it up earlier when I was talking about
Mike Shanahan. All I need to know, I don't need
don't get me traded his seecrets. But when I mean,
give me a little optimism, I'm searching for optimism.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Rich gave me a little.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Optimism that, hey, Mike Shanahan won't have his day and sun.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Mike Shanahan is going to have his day in the sun.
And I'll tell you why, because I think, I think
with each year there's a deeper and deeper appreciation and
I hope more, I hope more of the selectors think
like I do. I think you got to look at
the coaching tree. You know, the records are one though,
you know, the win loss record is one thing, the
number of Super Bowls is one thing. But I think
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what's finally starting to be more appreciated is the coaching tree.
And I'd put coach Shanahans kind of up there with
anybody's coaching tree because isn't that, you know, shouldn't that
be what it's about? You know, you know, yeah, you
want to know how many times somebody's lifted the Lombardi
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Trophy and and what was their win percentage? What was
their win percentage in the playoffs? And you got a
guy like Marty Schottenheimer won over two hundred games, but
his his you know, very below average playoff record is
what's kept him, I think from being elected. I think
Mike's going to get his day because people are going
to start looking around and saying, you know, the Shanahans,
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they you know, Kyle and his tree and McVeigh and
Lafleur and all of that, all of those branches that
can trace themselves back to Mike are going to be Hey,
that should be something that they're judged on too.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Rich Drauser's the CCO of the Pro Football Hall of
Fame and a Hall of Fame guest in our book.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Rich, we appreciate your time as always.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Hey, thanks for having me on, guys, and you got
thirty more seconds. Yeah. Absolutely, you know there isn't anybody
with a I mean a direct connection to the class
of twenty eight or sorry, twenty six as far as
being elected. However, Drew Brees's presenter this year is Sean Payton,
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Coach Peyton and I have had a sneak peek at
the work that coach Peyton did in his presentation video
to welcome Drew Brees into the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
and it is fantastic. So if you're a fan of
if you're a fan of the same or a fan
of coach Peyton, now take a lot of pride in
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in the in the in the heart that coach Peyton
put into that message for Drew Brees to welcome him
into the Pro Football.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
It's really really, really good.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Well looking forward to that, Rich, as as we look
forward to talking to you always. We appreciate you take
their time out tonight. You have a great night, and
we'll talk to you again here soon.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
All right, anytime, guys, thank.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
You, absolutely take it.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Richard CEO of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, NFL
six pack we come back thanks to Richard Rosiers from
the Pro Football Hall of Fame that joined us in
the last sevens.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Well was Parker Gabriel who joined us earlier.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Just be part of that Go Brocos Country Night, dot Com,
slash podcast or rich podcast, Apple iTunes, Spotify, the free
iHeart radio app.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And how awesome was that. He's just a great dude.
He's just so good.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
Best story he told about Marv Levy yep, set him
the letter every year at one hundred years old.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
You can never ask you are not hearing that anywhere else. No,
that was so great. That was just that was that
was phenomenal stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
And clip you the little thing you had there at
the end at Land Though about Sean Paige, we're gonna
get that up on the on social media so you
guys can hear that about his presentation.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
So without further ado, let's get to the NFL six path.
It's time for the NFL six pad.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I'm gonna turn a lot of insight and insight information
you can't find anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
No.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Six the top six NFL headlines.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
What and their Defensive Rookie of the Year projections. NFL
dot Com use Ruben Bain Junior first, David Bailey second,
and Sonny Styles as the three players most likely to
win the award this season. Who do you think will
be the Defensive Rookie of the Year?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Oh man, that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I think those are probably the best odds.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I think those are probably the best. The best picks.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I would say Ruben Bain and David Bailey are probably
But the one name I didn't see. Did you say,
did you have killed downs on there?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Nope?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
That's my favorite, right killed down Arvill Reese and then
you know, Mansar Delane there's gonna be starting for Kansa
and he gets a couple of interceptions, he might be
in a conversation. But I think you're if you're looking
to roll the dice, bay, David Baylor probably your best bets.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Well, I'm gonna go with Arvaro Reese because when you
look at the Giants defense, even though he's not even
on this list, he's just surrounded by a wealth of
talent on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And with that edge rushing, you know what edge rush can.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Do to a quarterback, Speed him up, make him get
it rid of the balls sooner than he wants to
get rid of it, and that's how you take advantage
on the defensive end. So I like Ruben Bank, roomen
Band would be my one B, but Arvaro Rees, Who's
nonetheless would be one.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
A from me.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
I can't believe you're not going with Caleb Downs as
a former safety.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I'm just a trader to the secondary man, I'm not
a trader.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Don't paint me in that negative image.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
Just didn't get that Pro Bowl nod. So you're just
not rooting for any guys? Hate I hate hate? Oh hey,
so I think they hate two and their Offensive Rookie
of the Year projections NFL dot Com ERNKX Fernando Mendoza
as the fifth most likely winner of the award, behind
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Jeremiah Love with the best odds then Jordan Tyson, Jendarian Price,
and Carnal Tate. Who do you think will be the
offensive Rookie of the Year? And are you surprised to
see Mendoza the slow I already know Ben's answer, but
go ahead, and now, I mean, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
What, Mendoza shouldn't be on this list, the reason being
because he's not going to start to late in the season.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
He might not even start.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Because I got a feeling that Kirk Cousins is going
to be the guy that Clint Kobiek expects him to be.
But if I had to say a guy, I'm gonna
go with Jeremiah Love out there in Arizona because we
know they're going to run the ball. He was drafted
for that particular reason. Even though you have James Connor
who's out there as well. I'm thinking Love once he
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gets settled in and he's going to get a bulk
of carries, but.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Also drawing to him out of the backfield.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
That is a staple of this MIC's setting here in offense,
and always they like defeature the running back.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
So Jeremiah Love for me, T he's definitely a rookie. Yeah,
I'm on the other side of that.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
You got Nate Hackett.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
You got Nate Hackett slowing that offense down. You got
no quarterback slowing that offense down. And the other part
of that is he may not need to be a starter.
It might have been up being James Connor or Tyler Ljeer,
both guys.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
That wasn't the question.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Well, if those guys are starting, then Jeremiah Love is
not producing.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
He's around a pine.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
No, they can start, but he's gonna get his touches
and he's gonna do work.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
When he gets them. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I like his former teammates and Area Price, who you
can get a plus eight fifty. By the way, on
DraftKings right now the guy I tell you if you
want a sleeper offensive rookie, to keep your eye on
Dejan Strippling.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
The wide receiver for the San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I've heard highest they are raving about him in camp
right now.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I know they signed d BO today, but they.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Needed to because Pierceol's PCL still still bothering him. Maybe
the bodies they're bad, So keep your eyes Dejean stribbling.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
He is having a heck of a camp so far.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I know it's early in the process, but he is
having a heck of a camp at wide receiver so far.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I like Carnel Tait with Titans.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
I think their offense is gonna be a big upgrade
this year. See a progression from Cam Mordan year two.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I do, but I just worry about him as a
rookie wide receiver. I no, I just said stribbling, but
I did that as a role as I sleeper, because
stribbling is it like plus three thousand? Right now, you've
bet one hundred dollars to win three grand if he
gets it. Where's Cardinal Tates sitting like plus six hundred.
So the other part of this for me is Windale
is over there with the Titans, and he's gonna be
the volume guy, just like he was for Brian Dable
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with the Giants.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Okay, Well, remember Neighbors was a guy with the Giants,
right and Dabel did a great job of featuring him.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So I'm right there with you, Grant.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
We could see something in the second year with Cam
wore with Brian David called Place three.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
By the way, I got Eli hydenright, get plus one
hundred and twenty five thousand.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Put a flyer on that the Steelers. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
You never know. Miles Garrett told the media this week
that although he'd love to learn from Aaron Donald, he
won't push him one way or another.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
That I've told him I'd love to learn from him.
I've watched his tape obviously.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
I think everyone who's been a rusher from anywhere across
the line, they have a lot of respect for him.
But I don't want him to push one don't want
to push him one way or another. What do you
make of Miles Garrett's response? And will we see Donald
play this season?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
And if so, when, Well, it's funny because the day
that this this trade came down, and you know, you guys,
remember I texted you before it before it hit. The
Aaron Donald thing was the other part of the thing
that I broke that he was seriously considering come back.
He's still seriously consider it come back. I consider it
sixty forty he comes back. I will say that what
Miles is saying is you don't want to play pressure
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on him. Let that man make his own decision. He's
earned it, you know. If if he wants to do that,
it's it's a lot, you know, it's a lot to
get out of that family life mindset, go back to
the game for for one more run. And so I
think I think that's what he's trying to say there
is like I want it back, but I don't want
to pressure him.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Well, I think all this talk about not pressuring Aaron
donald is the thing that's going to bring you back
because he's under no pressure to come back.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And it just seem as though, even if we are
in week.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
One of the season, the Rams are willing to do
that and allow Aaron Donald's to come back into the
fold because they know what he's capable of doing. And
the fact that the guy you just traded for Mons
guy was like, look, I.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Want him here.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I want to learn from him, and we know what
Aarondona could do as a player, So give him his time.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
He make his decision. He's always got to check with
the wife first. And if anyone could do it and
take Donald four.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
The Saints, we talked a little bit about this earlier,
have agreed to a forty year, one hundred and thirty
two million dollars deal with Chris Olave, making him the
eleventh receiver now averaging at least thirty million dollars per
year in salary.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Who is this a better deal for New Orleans or
a Lave? And where do you think Jalen.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Wanno's salary will land win on if Denver re signs
him well.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Consider the fact that a lobby has missed a couple
of games because of concussions. This is great for live right,
and you just have to wait and see if you
kill them more. If this is great for the organization.
But you're giving him I think it's a four year
deal worth one hundred and thirty two million dollars ninety
million dollars guarantee.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
For God who's shown that he.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Has a high propensity to be concussed in the physical game,
in playing in the wide super position, so he benefited
from this.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
But when it comes to eight, but you could get
out after twenty twenty seven at twenty one point two
cap savings. Now he's going to make this year, he's
cap numbers like four point eight million. Next year it's
twenty seven million dollars, and that's roughly the number that
he's going to be a Now wadd will be a
thirty year old receiver at that point, so you know,
maybe you got to take that into account. But if
the speed hasn't fallen off, he's going to be in
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line for a twenty seven to thirty million dollars a year,
you know, times four year.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Payday, allowing five he's to be a receiver.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
It certainly does. It's not paying to be Baker Mayfield
right now. He told the media that he feels disrespected
after not receiving a contract extension from the Bucks ahead
of training camp.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
I've been pretty upfront and honest about my feelings about Tampa.
It being home for now, our family, we're raising kids here.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
We love it here.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
I wanted the deal done and set the deadline and
told them it was going to be all ball after that,
and I did mean that. And I don't know if
they thought I was just gonna take some of the
offers that they gave, But I'm at the point of
my career and understanding what I've brought to this franchise.
One I'm very very thankful for the chance they gave me,
do not get me wrong on that. But I've also know,
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I really know what I've brought to this franchise leadership
wise and even playwise. It's been some of the best
years of my career, and I think it's only going
to trend upwards. Just being comfortable and feeling that so
disappointing in that regard to to not have, you know,
to feel disrespect a little bit and that's really the
disappointing part, to feel undervalued after, you know, thinking you've
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earned it.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
This is not a poor me thing.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
There's a lot other people that have it way worse off.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
But I can sit here and look at other quarterbacks
and peers and evaluate myself based on that and put
myself in certain categories that I deserve to be compensated
for that. And I think I'm a franchise quarterback. I've
been told I'm a franchise quarterback. It's been said publicly
from ownership down here, and so to not have a
deal done is very disappointing. But I said the deadline
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was a deadline, and I addressed the team to let
them know I meant that it's all ball. I'm with
these guys. I think all the guys that have been
here know exactly who I am. The guys that are
new here. I wanted to address that because they might
have had a notion prior to coming here about who
I am as a person. But it's all team. It's
all about winning here now and what we're going to do.
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And you know, hopefully Vita gets his back fixed and
it gets his deal done. I mean, he's the second
longest tenured Buck behind CG and Vita deserves that. He's
the anchor of our defense and so I hope they
take care of him. He's disappointed, to say the least.
But it's all ball here and I know I'm gonna
have a good year.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, that pesky back injury for veto.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Will this be Baker's last season in Tampa? And how
much will he sign for when he does get a
new deal, whether it's in Tampa or elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Well, let me let me give you guys a little
background on this.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
The Bucks came to him with a low ball offer
back in June, and he was real upset about it.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
They didn't do anything beyond to offer him two year deals.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
The Bucks are convinced that they're probably gonna be moving
off from Todd Bowles after this season. They don't want
to tie down to a quarterback that would put off
a potential head coach if they don't like Baker, if
they elect to pursue other options at head coach. So
they wanted to put him on something that they could
punt on. Baker did not want to do that. He
was a long term commitment, which I believe he's earned.
He believes he's earned. He used comps from Jordan Love,
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Trevor Lawrence, guys like that that are making fifty five
Rock Party fifty five fifty three million dollars a year,
which he feels he's in range of.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
And I tend to agree. And he just set the
deadline and did it.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Ifetevea, the bucks are they're gonna try and pay him,
They're gonn try and get that done.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Baker.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I think it's the odd man out and then they'll
figure it out after the season.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
As far as that goes, Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
You're already saying before the season get started, guess what
we're expecting to lose.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
So we don't want to hang on at Todd Bowles.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
We don't want to hit our wagon to Baker Mayfield
and whoever the next coach that comes in.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
He was his own guy.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
I thought the idea of a team sport like this,
but you were always supposed to be optimistic and think that, hey,
we can win every single game. But but Baker, I
would be upset. Go low ball me, give me a
low ball offered, and know what I can do.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Come on, man, I think.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
You're gonna get a highly motivated, not that he needs
more motivation, but a highly motivated Baker. He's gonna have
a big year, and I think he is gonna make
them pay for not paying him, and he's gonna endf
elsewhere and make that fifty million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I tend to agree.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I think Bucks will clean house after this year, and
I think Baker will be going six.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Unlike be John Robinson and Jamier Gibbs, who we talked
about last night in the six pack, Jonathan Taylor isn't
holding in as he he seeks a new contract with
the Colts, telling the media that he has faith in
the Colts and his agent. How much do you think
Taylor will sign for and will he get a new
deal before the season starts.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
I would say yes, because he's an intricate part to
what they do on the offensite side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Like when Daniel Jones went down and I go back
to the game, I guess where it was.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
It in Berlin or wherever it was when they were
playing Atlanta Falcons and Danny Dimes had that you know,
ankle injury and he just looked like a broken down man.
And Jonathan Taylor was a guy who lifted them up
and allowed him to win that game. And even though
we live in a world where they divide a run
back position, this dude has.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Been solid every single time.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
And once again, who's gonna get the deal done first?
Vjon Jamir Gibbs but Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I think jon will be the first one done.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Again.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I think the Falcons has shown more more willingness to
get these deals done. With Jonathan Taylor, I do believe
they'll get a deal done.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I think it'll be.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Somewhere in the thirteen point seven to fourteen point seven
million dollars per year range. It'll be a four year
deal by that, but really it'll be a two year
deal like all infield deals. So it looked likes four
years fifty six million, but it will really be two
years twenty eight when old said and done.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
And I do believe they'll get something done in camp
with Jonfre Taylor. It feels like he's been a top
tier back for so long now. He's still only twenty
seven years old, right, Like you think he could get
four or five more years of the same productivity if
he stays healthy. I love Jonathan Taylor as a running
back I'm surprised he hasn't gotten a new deal yet.
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And I think Knick said the devalue of the running
back position. I think it's got a little bit of
a revitalization the last couple of years after the Saquon
Barkley big year in Philly.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
You see ce Mac doing what he does in San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
But to what are you saying from a production standpoint?
But the team still don't want to play, They don't
want to pay. Yeah, it's the teams that don't want
to pay. But somebod these running backs are definitely worth it.
Taylor is one of them. I mean, you signed that extension.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
With the Colts went back in twenty twenty three. It
was worth roughly forty two million. I think he earned
thirty three point two of it prior to this year,
which was an effective apy about eleven million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
You know, his career earnings is, like I said, thirty
eight million.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
So you know, Jonathan Tailor's not like he hasn't made money,
but he deserves a lot because he was carrying the
load for them.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
But prior and now they've kind of got a team
around him, he could be that much better real quick
before we get out of here. You broke the news
earlier today then Kareem Jackson out as a scout with
the Broncos. Is this a bad look for players trying
to get in the league.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
As a coach, I I yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I think you know, you had a situation where you
put you kind of bumped Kareem Jackson to the front
of the line on something that guys have worked through
unpaid internships and long hours to earn, and then Kareem
basically quit on the team. And I think, you know,
I think that job entailed more than he thought it would,
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you know, to his it's for his side of it,
but still that it really there are some people with
some raw feelings about it.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I will say that I'm going to speak on this okay,
because I was like, I was like, you stick to that.
I don't know, let me this.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
This is tough because the idea is that former players
don't want to work.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I don't know where they came from. It is a
big lie, But.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
This situation like this makes it really difficult for guys
we're trying to get into this line of work.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Man. So I hope the.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Broncos don't keep this against other guys, but this is crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
See you back after this.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I've always been tooled with. They take you behind the
woodshed and they beat you with a stick.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, just what I thought I was out. Stay Frosty,
my friend
Going to go right out the k what comes prol
hotline and bring on our guy, Richard Rosier's the CCO
for the Pro Football.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Always love having Rich on and the time always goes
too fast.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Rich How are you doing this evening?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I am, well, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Absolutely, we absolutely loved when you were on last time.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
We kept getting request to have you back on.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
So we figured with the Hall of Fame game right
around the corner, we need to bring Rich back.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
And get his thoughts.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
First off, I wanted to get your thoughts on on
this Hall of Fame class and then ask you if
you really have ever had a favorite Hall of Fame class?
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Oh wow, you know what. They take you behind the
woodshed and they and they beat you with a stick.
You talk about the favorite classes or favorite classes or
best classes and try to you know, rank the classes
or I'll tell you this though about this group, just
the fact that two guys were first year eligible elected,
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two others elected in their second year, and the fifth
member of the class, Roger Craig. I think if you
pulled one hundred people who weren't you know, diehard fans
but knew the name Roger Craigan said, is Roger Craigan
the Hall of Fame? Ninety nine of those hundred would
have said yes, because he probably should have been in
a long time ago. So you take those five. I'm
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going to stack this class up against just about any other.
But what I really like about this class is just
how class they've been to work with and just you know,
just students of the game who want to talk football
with her. And they've been very polite, they've been very humble,
very modest, and just pretty much an easy group to
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work with. And there's a million moving parts to put
the Ensronment Week together. So when you've got when you've
got five guys and their families that are taking the
you know, taking on the responsibility that kind of goes
with being part of an event like this, it just
makes it easier. And it's it's been it's been very
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refreshing rich.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
There's a number of individuals who know about the Pro
Football Hall of Fame, but there's a large number of
people who have never had the ability to actually walk
into the building. So I want you to describe for
these individuals. I've been there, I've been there like five times,
but I want you to describe for our audience, those
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members who haven't been there, what that's like walking through
those doors.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I think one of the things that the Pro Football
Hall of Fame does well is greet the fin kind
of where they are as far as are they a
fanatic and they want to learn everything, they want to
read everything. Are they being dragged along by someone else
who is a fanatic and maybe they're not as passionate
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about the game. But I think what we're able to
do well is to reach all of those audiences with
something because a lot of what we do isn't just
you know, shove a lot of statistics down people's throats,
but we look at it more as a storytelling opportunity,
the stories behind.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
The guys, the men and women now more and more
who make the game what it is. And so if
you're just a peripheral fan just learning.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
The game a youngster, you can leave there with a
great experience. And if you're that person who has been
a fan for years and years and years, and the
sunrises and sets based on whether your favorite team wins
or loses on Sunday, we've got something for you too.
So I think I think we do humbly think we
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do a good job of reaching the people who come
through our door at whatever level of fandom you know
they hold. And if you want to be overwhelmed with
you know, with all of the items and really pour
over everything you can, and like I said, and if
that's not your thing, there's so much great storytelling that
you can learn the important learn about the important teams
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and the important people and the important events that have
shaped the game over the years.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Talking with Richard Rouziers of the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
you talked about Nick talked about first timers and that,
But what about people who've been there before? Are there
any new exhibits at the Hall this year? The people
who visited last year would be enticed to come out
and see, well.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
One of the things, well, certainly the class of twenty
twenty six, you know, front and center. As soon as
you walk in the front doors and into the main
you know, pass through the main lobby, the main exhibition
area is dedicated to the Class of twenty twenty six
and the two teams playing in the Hall of Fame
game excuse me, you know, so that turns over each
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year and then something else that I like a lot
that turns over each year. Is we have begun now
for a handful of years now celebrating anniversary classes, the
classes that were enshrined ten years ago, twenty years ago,
twenty five, all the way up to sixty now because
we're over sixty years old. So those those incremental classes.
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Every five years, we have lockers devoted to each of those,
and it gives us a chance to bring out something
like Lance Alworth's you know, powder blue San Diego Chargers
jersey from way back when he played, or Johnny Unitas's
Baltimore Colts jersey from when he played, and put a
spotlight on some of these guys. And I mentioned two
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people who are probably pretty you know, those names are
probably well known to anybody of a certain age, but
even others from you know, more recent maybe not as
well known as the two names I mentioned, but you know,
going back to people who are enshrine fifty to fifty five,
sixty years ago, these are the you know, these are
the individuals that the games was built on. And there
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aren't many people who come through the door who you know,
who know these names. Many of these names aren't household names,
and you know, who were these individuals why were they
elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. So it
gives us a chance each year to cycle through let's
you know, if you figure probably an average of five
each class, and we're celebrating ten, you know, so that's
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fifty individuals each year for the last several years, and
we've been able to reintroduce to the public. I really
like what we do there. We just put the Seahawks
on display this year as winning the Super Bowl. So
there's a huge display, sorry, Bronco fans, you know, large
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display for the Seahawks this year, and that'll stay up
until next year. Maybe next year we're swapping that out
with something for the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Well, I'm hoping, as a guy that played for Mike
Shenahan for five years, I'm hoping that there is an
inflatable balloon or there is something else that the Pro
Football Hall of Fame is doing, because now Mike Shenahan
is in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. But when
I think about the positions, and there are different positions
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that are represented in the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
and I think about the Special Teams category, and the
reason I'm saying is because I cut my teeth in
the league playing special teams. And there was a guy
who I looked up to as a young player growing
up in Miami, and that was Buffalo Bill's Steve Tasker.
Is there kind of like a committee or an idea
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of bringing in an extra position to get a guy
of that caliber into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Well, Steve's gotten. Steve's gotten down, you know, kind of
into that top fifteen, top twenty five range. A handful
of times I tell you what you might you might be.
You can't be any higher than his second biggest fan,
because his first biggest fan is a one hundred year
old gentleman who writes us every year. His name is
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Marv Levy. He's one hundred now, and for the last
I don't know how many years, on an annual basis,
Marv Levy writes a letter to the Pro Football Hall
of Fame imploring the selectors to add Steve Tasker to
the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Perhaps the best thing
that happened for Steve was Devin Hester kind of breaking
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through a couple of years ago in that and Devin
played just like Steve, some at the wide receiver position,
but certainly got elected to the Pro Football Hall of
Fame based on his punt return and kick return skills,
and Steve was known probably a little bit more on
the other side for covering kicks and punts, but I
think with Devin Hester came a deeper appreciation for those
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special teams and how it is a third of the game.
And so I think we're going to see the day
when Steve is elected.
Speaker 6 (08:48):
Rich Ben mentioned when we brought you on that the
Hall of Fame game is a week away. I was
wondering a little bit of the history of the Hall
of Fame game. It's awesome that it takes place in Canton,
but when did it start and who who was the
first Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Hall of Fame game actually predates the actual opening of
the museum, so the museum.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Was first.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
You know, the league said they wanted to have a
Pro Football Hall of Fame. The idea for it really
goes back to about nineteen fifty nine and some bids
went out and Canton had the history going for it.
The formation of the NFL can be traced to Canton, Ohio.
Ohio also had a huge local fundraising effort, so they
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had money in hand. They had land in hand, and
they had the historical connection. That's why the Pro Football
Hall of Fame is where it is. So from the
time the league said they wanted a Hall of Fame
till the time it actually got built took a couple
of years. The Hall opened its stores in September of
nineteen sixty three. The first Hall of Fame game, though,
was in August of nineteen sixty two, and the NFL
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brought the New York Giants and the same Lewis Cardinals
to Canton for a game. It drew a modest crowd
of about fourteen thousand fans and ended in a tie.
So I don't know if everybody won or nobody won
when the game ends in the twenty one to twenty
one tie, but it did, and it's it's one of
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only a couple ties in the history of the Hall
of Fame game. And you know, we've got the Cardinals
back this year, and the Cardinals come into their sixth
Hall of Fame game with a robust one three and
one record.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Wow, that's there we go. Let's let's get set this
thing up. I will say like that it is.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
There is something too like the Hall of Fame game
that just like it, try to camp opens here, we covered,
you know, and all that kind of stuff. But then
when the Hall of Fame game plays, that I think
is the moment for me that football season is here,
even if I've already been in camp moved for a
week and a half, two weeks whatever, at that uh,
at that point in time, tell me Richard Rosiers from
the Profobale Hall of Fame. Rich and my guy and
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I constantly camp for this and I'm not trying to
campaign for it right now with you, obviously, but I
do want to ask about this because I think the
way the game has changed has left some guys in
the dust.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And one of the guys for me is Henry Ellert.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
For me, Henry eller should have had a stone cold
lock for the whole of Fame a long time ago
and somehow slipped through the cracks due to you know,
the era he played in and then pivoting to the
you know, the big time receiver era right after. Is
Is there any other you know names you could think of,
or any other shifts in the game that you think
maybe left guys behind.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Oh, I think there's no question, and I've wondered after
you know, after Adrian Peterson at running back, you know
who's kind of left. You know, when Derrick Henry retires,
you know he will be for sure. But but the
way the running back position has changed, I think I
think that those are going to be very rare. And
you bring up a good point. Henry Ellard is sort
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of in this, you know, not too far of a
different era from another player that that I think is
very similer. Name a couple come to mind, uh, Harold Jackson,
Isaac Curtis, you know, guys who were consistent and put
up good numbers, you know, but but but maybe weren't
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as flashy. Henry Aller is a really good one. And
and just you know, not to not to get too crazy. Uh,
Henry Ellard won me a lot of games in fantasy
football back in the day when he was with the
Rams and Jim Everett was thrown to him. Uh So
I've always had just a personal soft spot for for him.
And you know, I think we can find you know,
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others like that, you know, even somebody like it. Somebody
like that, I think may get their moment again as
some of the advanced analytics, uh get more understood and
more appreciated because I think when you can't just look
at the number of receptions, the number of yards, but
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it's always got to be in the context of the
era that they play. And Ken Anderson is another one,
a senior, been a senior candidate, gotten real close a
couple of times, you know. I mean, this is a
guy who completed seventy percent of his passes, who was
an MVP, led a team to the Super Bowl. You know,
was was one of the building blocks at the quarterback
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position for the you know Bill Walsh's iteration of the
West Coast offense. And I think he's been passed over.
I think there's I think you know, you can you
can look down the list, and I think what it does, too, though,
is illustrate you know, we call it the most elite
club in football, the most elite club in sports. Even
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for as many players who have put on a you know,
a pair of pads and and played in the league,
for there to be only three hundred and now eighty
seven who can call themselves Hall of Famers does show
how difficult it is. And and we talked about when
you get down to that final fifteen each year, it
doesn't matter which five or six you take out of
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those fifteen, you're going to have a good class. And
there are people who who have gotten passed over, you know,
several years. And how is it that so and so
had to wait three years to get in, or five
years to get in, or seven years to get in.
It's because that's how fierce the competition is.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Well, I know you say that the competition is fierce,
and it is because there's a lot of quality players
and a lot of quality and guys who really influenced
and change the way that pro football is seen and
expand it.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
But I have to ask this question.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I brought it up earlier when I was talking about
Mike Shanahan. All I need to know, I don't need
don't get me traded his seecrets. But when I mean,
give me a little optimism, I'm searching for optimism.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Rich gave me a little.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Optimism that, hey, Mike Shanahan won't have his day and sun.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Mike Shanahan is going to have his day in the sun.
And I'll tell you why, because I think, I think
with each year there's a deeper and deeper appreciation and
I hope more, I hope more of the selectors think
like I do. I think you got to look at
the coaching tree. You know, the records are one though,
you know, the win loss record is one thing, the
number of Super Bowls is one thing. But I think
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what's finally starting to be more appreciated is the coaching tree.
And I'd put coach Shanahans kind of up there with
anybody's coaching tree because isn't that, you know, shouldn't that
be what it's about? You know, you know, yeah, you
want to know how many times somebody's lifted the Lombardi
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Trophy and and what was their win percentage? What was
their win percentage in the playoffs? And you got a
guy like Marty Schottenheimer won over two hundred games, but
his his you know, very below average playoff record is
what's kept him, I think from being elected. I think
Mike's going to get his day because people are going
to start looking around and saying, you know, the Shanahans,
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they you know, Kyle and his tree and McVeigh and
Lafleur and all of that, all of those branches that
can trace themselves back to Mike are going to be Hey,
that should be something that they're judged on too.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Rich Drauser's the CCO of the Pro Football Hall of
Fame and a Hall of Fame guest in our book.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Rich, we appreciate your time as always.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Hey, thanks for having me on, guys, and you got
thirty more seconds. Yeah. Absolutely, you know there isn't anybody
with a I mean a direct connection to the class
of twenty eight or sorry, twenty six as far as
being elected. However, Drew Brees's presenter this year is Sean Payton,
(16:43):
Coach Peyton and I have had a sneak peek at
the work that coach Peyton did in his presentation video
to welcome Drew Brees into the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
and it is fantastic. So if you're a fan of
if you're a fan of the same or a fan
of coach Peyton, now take a lot of pride in
(17:07):
in the in the in the heart that coach Peyton
put into that message for Drew Brees to welcome him
into the Pro Football.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
It's really really, really good.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Well looking forward to that, Rich, as as we look
forward to talking to you always. We appreciate you take
their time out tonight. You have a great night, and
we'll talk to you again here soon.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
All right, anytime, guys, thank.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
You, absolutely take it.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Richard CEO of the Pro Football Hall of Fame, NFL
six pack we come back thanks to Richard Rosiers from
the Pro Football Hall of Fame that joined us in
the last sevens.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Well was Parker Gabriel who joined us earlier.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Just be part of that Go Brocos Country Night, dot Com,
slash podcast or rich podcast, Apple iTunes, Spotify, the free
iHeart radio app.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And how awesome was that. He's just a great dude.
He's just so good.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
Best story he told about Marv Levy yep, set him
the letter every year at one hundred years old.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
You can never ask you are not hearing that anywhere else. No,
that was so great. That was just that was that
was phenomenal stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
And clip you the little thing you had there at
the end at Land Though about Sean Paige, we're gonna
get that up on the on social media so you
guys can hear that about his presentation.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
So without further ado, let's get to the NFL six path.
It's time for the NFL six pad.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
I'm gonna turn a lot of insight and insight information
you can't find anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
No.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Six the top six NFL headlines.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
What and their Defensive Rookie of the Year projections. NFL
dot Com use Ruben Bain Junior first, David Bailey second,
and Sonny Styles as the three players most likely to
win the award this season. Who do you think will
be the Defensive Rookie of the Year?
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Oh man, that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I think those are probably the best odds.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
I think those are probably the best. The best picks.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
I would say Ruben Bain and David Bailey are probably
But the one name I didn't see. Did you say,
did you have killed downs on there?
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Nope?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
That's my favorite, right killed down Arvill Reese and then
you know, Mansar Delane there's gonna be starting for Kansa
and he gets a couple of interceptions, he might be
in a conversation. But I think you're if you're looking
to roll the dice, bay, David Baylor probably your best bets.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Well, I'm gonna go with Arvaro Reese because when you
look at the Giants defense, even though he's not even
on this list, he's just surrounded by a wealth of
talent on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
And with that edge rushing, you know what edge rush can.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Do to a quarterback, Speed him up, make him get
it rid of the balls sooner than he wants to
get rid of it, and that's how you take advantage
on the defensive end. So I like Ruben Bank, roomen
Band would be my one B, but Arvaro Rees, Who's
nonetheless would be one.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
A from me.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
I can't believe you're not going with Caleb Downs as
a former safety.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
I'm just a trader to the secondary man, I'm not
a trader.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Don't paint me in that negative image.
Speaker 6 (19:53):
Just didn't get that Pro Bowl nod. So you're just
not rooting for any guys? Hate I hate hate? Oh hey,
so I think they hate two and their Offensive Rookie
of the Year projections NFL dot Com ERNKX Fernando Mendoza
as the fifth most likely winner of the award, behind
(20:14):
Jeremiah Love with the best odds then Jordan Tyson, Jendarian Price,
and Carnal Tate. Who do you think will be the
offensive Rookie of the Year? And are you surprised to
see Mendoza the slow I already know Ben's answer, but
go ahead, and now, I mean, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
What, Mendoza shouldn't be on this list, the reason being
because he's not going to start to late in the season.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
He might not even start.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Because I got a feeling that Kirk Cousins is going
to be the guy that Clint Kobiek expects him to be.
But if I had to say a guy, I'm gonna
go with Jeremiah Love out there in Arizona because we
know they're going to run the ball. He was drafted
for that particular reason. Even though you have James Connor
who's out there as well. I'm thinking Love once he
(20:58):
gets settled in and he's going to get a bulk
of carries, but.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Also drawing to him out of the backfield.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
That is a staple of this MIC's setting here in offense,
and always they like defeature the running back.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
So Jeremiah Love for me, T he's definitely a rookie. Yeah,
I'm on the other side of that.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
You got Nate Hackett.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
You got Nate Hackett slowing that offense down. You got
no quarterback slowing that offense down. And the other part
of that is he may not need to be a starter.
It might have been up being James Connor or Tyler Ljeer,
both guys.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
That wasn't the question.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Well, if those guys are starting, then Jeremiah Love is
not producing.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
He's around a pine.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
No, they can start, but he's gonna get his touches
and he's gonna do work.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
When he gets them. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I like his former teammates and Area Price, who you
can get a plus eight fifty. By the way, on
DraftKings right now the guy I tell you if you
want a sleeper offensive rookie, to keep your eye on
Dejan Strippling.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
The wide receiver for the San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I've heard highest they are raving about him in camp
right now.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I know they signed d BO today, but they.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Needed to because Pierceol's PCL still still bothering him. Maybe
the bodies they're bad, So keep your eyes Dejean stribbling.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
He is having a heck of a camp so far.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I know it's early in the process, but he is
having a heck of a camp at wide receiver so far.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I like Carnel Tait with Titans.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
I think their offense is gonna be a big upgrade
this year. See a progression from Cam Mordan year two.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
I do, but I just worry about him as a
rookie wide receiver. I no, I just said stribbling, but
I did that as a role as I sleeper, because
stribbling is it like plus three thousand? Right now, you've
bet one hundred dollars to win three grand if he
gets it. Where's Cardinal Tates sitting like plus six hundred.
So the other part of this for me is Windale
is over there with the Titans, and he's gonna be
the volume guy, just like he was for Brian Dable
(22:37):
with the Giants.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Okay, Well, remember Neighbors was a guy with the Giants,
right and Dabel did a great job of featuring him.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
So I'm right there with you, Grant.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
We could see something in the second year with Cam
wore with Brian David called Place three.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
By the way, I got Eli hydenright, get plus one
hundred and twenty five thousand.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Put a flyer on that the Steelers. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
You never know. Miles Garrett told the media this week
that although he'd love to learn from Aaron Donald, he
won't push him one way or another.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
That I've told him I'd love to learn from him.
I've watched his tape obviously.
Speaker 6 (23:12):
I think everyone who's been a rusher from anywhere across
the line, they have a lot of respect for him.
But I don't want him to push one don't want
to push him one way or another. What do you
make of Miles Garrett's response? And will we see Donald
play this season?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
And if so, when, Well, it's funny because the day
that this this trade came down, and you know, you guys,
remember I texted you before it before it hit. The
Aaron Donald thing was the other part of the thing
that I broke that he was seriously considering come back.
He's still seriously consider it come back. I consider it
sixty forty he comes back. I will say that what
Miles is saying is you don't want to play pressure
(23:46):
on him. Let that man make his own decision. He's
earned it, you know. If if he wants to do that,
it's it's a lot, you know, it's a lot to
get out of that family life mindset, go back to
the game for for one more run. And so I
think I think that's what he's trying to say there
is like I want it back, but I don't want
to pressure him.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Well, I think all this talk about not pressuring Aaron
donald is the thing that's going to bring you back
because he's under no pressure to come back.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And it just seem as though, even if we are
in week.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
One of the season, the Rams are willing to do
that and allow Aaron Donald's to come back into the
fold because they know what he's capable of doing. And
the fact that the guy you just traded for Mons
guy was like, look, I.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Want him here.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
I want to learn from him, and we know what
Aarondona could do as a player, So give him his time.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
He make his decision. He's always got to check with
the wife first. And if anyone could do it and
take Donald four.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
The Saints, we talked a little bit about this earlier,
have agreed to a forty year, one hundred and thirty
two million dollars deal with Chris Olave, making him the
eleventh receiver now averaging at least thirty million dollars per
year in salary.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Who is this a better deal for New Orleans or
a Lave? And where do you think Jalen.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Wanno's salary will land win on if Denver re signs
him well.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Consider the fact that a lobby has missed a couple
of games because of concussions. This is great for live right,
and you just have to wait and see if you
kill them more. If this is great for the organization.
But you're giving him I think it's a four year
deal worth one hundred and thirty two million dollars ninety
million dollars guarantee.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
For God who's shown that he.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Has a high propensity to be concussed in the physical game,
in playing in the wide super position, so he benefited
from this.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
But when it comes to eight, but you could get
out after twenty twenty seven at twenty one point two
cap savings. Now he's going to make this year, he's
cap numbers like four point eight million. Next year it's
twenty seven million dollars, and that's roughly the number that
he's going to be a Now wadd will be a
thirty year old receiver at that point, so you know,
maybe you got to take that into account. But if
the speed hasn't fallen off, he's going to be in
(25:52):
line for a twenty seven to thirty million dollars a year,
you know, times four year.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Payday, allowing five he's to be a receiver.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
It certainly does. It's not paying to be Baker Mayfield
right now. He told the media that he feels disrespected
after not receiving a contract extension from the Bucks ahead
of training camp.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
I've been pretty upfront and honest about my feelings about Tampa.
It being home for now, our family, we're raising kids here.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
We love it here.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
I wanted the deal done and set the deadline and
told them it was going to be all ball after that,
and I did mean that. And I don't know if
they thought I was just gonna take some of the
offers that they gave, But I'm at the point of
my career and understanding what I've brought to this franchise.
One I'm very very thankful for the chance they gave me,
do not get me wrong on that. But I've also know,
(26:41):
I really know what I've brought to this franchise leadership
wise and even playwise. It's been some of the best
years of my career, and I think it's only going
to trend upwards. Just being comfortable and feeling that so
disappointing in that regard to to not have, you know,
to feel disrespect a little bit and that's really the
disappointing part, to feel undervalued after, you know, thinking you've
(27:04):
earned it.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
This is not a poor me thing.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
There's a lot other people that have it way worse off.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
But I can sit here and look at other quarterbacks
and peers and evaluate myself based on that and put
myself in certain categories that I deserve to be compensated
for that. And I think I'm a franchise quarterback. I've
been told I'm a franchise quarterback. It's been said publicly
from ownership down here, and so to not have a
deal done is very disappointing. But I said the deadline
(27:31):
was a deadline, and I addressed the team to let
them know I meant that it's all ball. I'm with
these guys. I think all the guys that have been
here know exactly who I am. The guys that are
new here. I wanted to address that because they might
have had a notion prior to coming here about who
I am as a person. But it's all team. It's
all about winning here now and what we're going to do.
(27:51):
And you know, hopefully Vita gets his back fixed and
it gets his deal done. I mean, he's the second
longest tenured Buck behind CG and Vita deserves that. He's
the anchor of our defense and so I hope they
take care of him. He's disappointed, to say the least.
But it's all ball here and I know I'm gonna
have a good year.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, that pesky back injury for veto.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Will this be Baker's last season in Tampa? And how
much will he sign for when he does get a
new deal, whether it's in Tampa or elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Well, let me let me give you guys a little
background on this.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
The Bucks came to him with a low ball offer
back in June, and he was real upset about it.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
They didn't do anything beyond to offer him two year deals.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
The Bucks are convinced that they're probably gonna be moving
off from Todd Bowles after this season. They don't want
to tie down to a quarterback that would put off
a potential head coach if they don't like Baker, if
they elect to pursue other options at head coach. So
they wanted to put him on something that they could
punt on. Baker did not want to do that. He
was a long term commitment, which I believe he's earned.
He believes he's earned. He used comps from Jordan Love,
(28:47):
Trevor Lawrence, guys like that that are making fifty five
Rock Party fifty five fifty three million dollars a year,
which he feels he's in range of.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
And I tend to agree. And he just set the
deadline and did it.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Ifetevea, the bucks are they're gonna try and pay him,
They're gonn try and get that done.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Baker.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I think it's the odd man out and then they'll
figure it out after the season.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
As far as that goes, Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
You're already saying before the season get started, guess what
we're expecting to lose.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
So we don't want to hang on at Todd Bowles.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
We don't want to hit our wagon to Baker Mayfield
and whoever the next coach that comes in.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
He was his own guy.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
I thought the idea of a team sport like this,
but you were always supposed to be optimistic and think that, hey,
we can win every single game. But but Baker, I
would be upset. Go low ball me, give me a
low ball offered, and know what I can do.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Come on, man, I think.
Speaker 6 (29:33):
You're gonna get a highly motivated, not that he needs
more motivation, but a highly motivated Baker. He's gonna have
a big year, and I think he is gonna make
them pay for not paying him, and he's gonna endf
elsewhere and make that fifty million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I tend to agree.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
I think Bucks will clean house after this year, and
I think Baker will be going six.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Unlike be John Robinson and Jamier Gibbs, who we talked
about last night in the six pack, Jonathan Taylor isn't
holding in as he he seeks a new contract with
the Colts, telling the media that he has faith in
the Colts and his agent. How much do you think
Taylor will sign for and will he get a new
deal before the season starts.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
I would say yes, because he's an intricate part to
what they do on the offensite side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Like when Daniel Jones went down and I go back
to the game, I guess where it was.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
It in Berlin or wherever it was when they were
playing Atlanta Falcons and Danny Dimes had that you know,
ankle injury and he just looked like a broken down man.
And Jonathan Taylor was a guy who lifted them up
and allowed him to win that game. And even though
we live in a world where they divide a run
back position, this dude has.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Been solid every single time.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
And once again, who's gonna get the deal done first?
Vjon Jamir Gibbs but Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
I think jon will be the first one done.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Again.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
I think the Falcons has shown more more willingness to
get these deals done. With Jonathan Taylor, I do believe
they'll get a deal done.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
I think it'll be.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Somewhere in the thirteen point seven to fourteen point seven
million dollars per year range. It'll be a four year
deal by that, but really it'll be a two year
deal like all infield deals. So it looked likes four
years fifty six million, but it will really be two
years twenty eight when old said and done.
Speaker 6 (31:14):
And I do believe they'll get something done in camp
with Jonfre Taylor. It feels like he's been a top
tier back for so long now. He's still only twenty
seven years old, right, Like you think he could get
four or five more years of the same productivity if
he stays healthy. I love Jonathan Taylor as a running
back I'm surprised he hasn't gotten a new deal yet.
(31:34):
And I think Knick said the devalue of the running
back position. I think it's got a little bit of
a revitalization the last couple of years after the Saquon
Barkley big year in Philly.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
You see ce Mac doing what he does in San Francisco.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
But to what are you saying from a production standpoint?
But the team still don't want to play, They don't
want to pay. Yeah, it's the teams that don't want
to pay. But somebod these running backs are definitely worth it.
Taylor is one of them. I mean, you signed that extension.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
With the Colts went back in twenty twenty three. It
was worth roughly forty two million. I think he earned
thirty three point two of it prior to this year,
which was an effective apy about eleven million dollars a year.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
You know, his career earnings is, like I said, thirty
eight million.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
So you know, Jonathan Tailor's not like he hasn't made money,
but he deserves a lot because he was carrying the
load for them.
Speaker 6 (32:20):
But prior and now they've kind of got a team
around him, he could be that much better real quick
before we get out of here. You broke the news
earlier today then Kareem Jackson out as a scout with
the Broncos. Is this a bad look for players trying
to get in the league.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
As a coach, I I yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I think you know, you had a situation where you
put you kind of bumped Kareem Jackson to the front
of the line on something that guys have worked through
unpaid internships and long hours to earn, and then Kareem
basically quit on the team. And I think, you know,
I think that job entailed more than he thought it would,
(32:58):
you know, to his it's for his side of it,
but still that it really there are some people with
some raw feelings about it.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I will say that I'm going to speak on this okay,
because I was like, I was like, you stick to that.
I don't know, let me this.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
This is tough because the idea is that former players
don't want to work.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I don't know where they came from. It is a
big lie, But.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
This situation like this makes it really difficult for guys
we're trying to get into this line of work.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Man. So I hope the.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Broncos don't keep this against other guys, but this is crazy.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
See you back after this.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I've always been tooled with. They take you behind the
woodshed and they beat you with a stick.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, just what I thought I was out. Stay Frosty,
my friend
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