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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Six nine zero. The text line Big Sheldon Night Park
Gabriel seven o five at Cosmius seven thirty five were
on the cusp Nick Ferguson as it were of the preseason.
Our first preseason game on Friday, Broncos traveling to Atlanta
to take on the Atlanta Falcons right here on KOA.
Games starts at five, but our coverage will start at
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one pm. Yourself, myself live here on KOA. That's right.
Broncos released the depth chart today, Now are you know?
You know how they do it? They always put the
rookies at the bottom and the first depth charts like
laughably ridiculous, you know, as it always is. But it's
not going to play in the first preseason game and
a decision that was either decided months ago or not decided.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I heard that you took an issue with that.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I don't have real issue with it. I just like, yeah,
I mean I don't care that he's not being truthful,
Like I don't care, but.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
You sure you don't care. It sounded like you care.
That's what Ryan told me.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Ryan said stuff sometimes, So it was Ryan, why I look,
he wasn't wearing plaid today, So I just assumed everything
was off. He wasn't wearing flannel, so I just assumed
everything was wrong today.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So how how was it that you do feel by
the fact that bo is not going to.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Play this game the right decision you have.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
You're missing death at the center position, you know, like,
don't risk it. There's this is a super Bowl caliber
football team, a championship caliber football team. What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Like?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I don't care these that you know that the decision
was actually made last week, Like I I I don't.
It doesn't matter. I just like they, whether by hook
or crook, arrived at the right decision. So I'm fine
with the decision. I don't have an actual problem with it.
I think it's the right decision. I think they made
the right call not playing him. I mean, if if
you had, if you had healthy centers, that might be
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a bit of a different call. But you know, playing
gay week two, week three, and move on about your day.
Does it really matter? It's the preseason.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Well, you know what the first thing I thought about
when Ryan was talking to me about your discussion before
I joined you, and he was say, and how you
were so I guess not opposed to it or you
were not in agreement or or better yet, you were
in an agreement with the head coach and his statement.
I mean, when asked if I think that this is
a good idea of keeping bow Knicks out of the
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first game based on what's happening up front, especially with
the center position, I wanted to channel my inner Colonel
jessp from a few good men, you got that run
just to put him in that game.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I don't think we could say that on the air, actually, Nick.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Well, okay, gosh, well, I guess I just listened it.
But anyway, but the idea is.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
That you're right that Bou should not play in this
first game. And I think the decision was made long
time ago with Bo coming off of injury, that they
didn't want to put or subject Bow to any other
further injuries or setbacks because we know a lot of
the Bronco's hopes from the playoffs and beyond depend on
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two things, well three things. One Broncos being able to
run the ball, Bo being healthy.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
And no, no, no, no, not to do suit.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
It's the Broncos defense continuing to pick up where they're
left off. So yeah, so I would not play Bow
in this first game. I would wait, maybe the second
game get him a couple of reps, but what we
know Bo really doesn't need it based on the skill set.
The only reason that you would want to see Bo
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have more than fifteen or twenty plays is because one
the Broncos didn't have a joint practice this year. I
feel as though that level of competition from another team
coming in would have been great for the team, because
what we've seen over the past couple of years is
that the intensity of competition elevates to a whole different
level when you have joint practices. And the joint practices
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I will say because I wasn't a fan of it
at first, but then I came around and say, well, wow,
you see more intensity and more competition in the joint
practices than you see in the games themselves.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, so I love the idea. I, uh, you will.
We've been over this. I famously prefer joint practices and
was disappointed that we did not do that this year.
Very disappointed. I made my displeasure known. Yes, I think
they are inherently valuable. I think that they break up
the monotony of camp. I think they it finds a
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way to get the aggression out. I think you get
more out of them than you get out of some
preseason games in a lot of ways. I think you
get guys back to playing technique rather than playing the man.
If you get used to something, you know, you're up
there in rills, one on one reps and all you get,
you get used to what they do you every day
for for a month and a half two months. You
get used to what they do. Start playing the man
instead of the technique, and it could lead you to
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problems in the season when you can start gett that
muscle memory from well, I know what they're doing, so
I'm gonna play it this way.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I he can't do this, or I know he struggles
with that. You know, so I'm gonna do this because
I know that that works against him instead of playing
the technique as assigned.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Well, this is why fans should not be a little
shocked if we see a couple of deficiencies on either
side of the ball heading into Friday's game, Because you're
absolutely right. Then when you talk about the aspect of
competing against a guy from OTAs to Mini caamp to
training camp, and you see that guy every single day
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and you have to start learning to scout as a
player to increase your development. So that means shouting your
own teammates self scouting right, seeing which guy struggle with
maybe an arm over, or which guy struggles if you're
edge rusher with a bull rush right, which guy can't
really sit down his hips with his hips and can't
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counter on multiple pass move rush moves right or russus
the speed rush. So every time you go up against
that guy, that's what you do to him. You attack
his weakness. So to see another guy that you really
don't get a chance to practice with on an everyday basis,
who's going to bring something a little different from what
you're seeing to me, that's where the challenge and actually begins.
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And that's where from a rookie standpoint, or a guy
who maybe in the second year, who didn't play a
lot his first year, those are the issues that those
players battle with because you get so used to guys
that you compete against every day.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
This other guy, he's foreign. But here's the problem.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
You're being evaluated every single play, so you have but
a short time to learn how to adjust well.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
And that's stay and then that's all part of it.
But I think I think you're on the same page
with most of this, I mean with it doesn't really
matter in the end anyway, when when a Bonix decision
was made. As far as that kind of stuff goes,
the reality is he's not playing in the first preseason game.
The reality is that's probably smart due to the lack
of depth you have at center. Right now, it's Dieter
carted off, Wattburg still on the side field, and who
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knows on Forsyth. You know what that's going to be. So,
I mean the Broncos, you get stid him for a
half and you get an ailing her for a half.
It's gonna be Stidah in the first half, ailing or
second half. And and like for me, I wonder, like
I wonder how much of a quality look you get
at either guy if you if you can't, if you
can't even get the basics of the center position. Now,
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this is what we're talking about yesterday I think it
was or day before, where you know, I mean, we've
seen some struggles with the center quarterback exchange from guys
who hadn't played center in a long time but get
thrust into the role.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
But this is the way that you resolve that that situation,
you go back to doing what you've been doing historically,
and that was putting your quarterback in the shotgun. So
if you put your quarterback in the shotgun, and this
albeit is the first preseason game, is going to be
as vanilla as ice cream, right, So put him in
a shotgun.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
You don't have to worry about quarterbacks center exchange.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
You can if he fired off over his head.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Well, now, now here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Now, if you're a freaking center on the Broncos roster,
where if you're a reserve and you can't get the
ball from underneath you to the depth of the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And in his hands, you got a lot of problems.
You should at least be able to do that.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
If you can't get the ball to a quarterback when
he's on the center, you should be able to do that.
I would like to think that both me and you
and Zach and a lot of people listening to us,
they can do that. Now, you'd be put under pressure
when they put it through under play on guy in
front of you.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
But I still would like the thing.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
If that's something you used to snapping the ball, you
usoul to be able to get the ball back to.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
The quarterback above his waistline.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
She would not, you would think, But again, we're talking
about guys that have not played the center position that often.
Or take us a tackle kh Casey was, you know,
tackle of a guard. Wait, that's what practice is for. Well,
but I'm saying a game practice, right, But again, you
haven't had those snaps, so you literally all you got
was a practice with you know, thirty snaps. Maybe, I mean,
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that's what you're getting. So these guys don't have the
reps on this stuff. They don't have the res pay on.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Wattenberg went out earlier in training camp, so again and
then he got hurt.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Then he got hurt, right, But when Wattenberg went out,
Dita went in. They still had to have someone backing
him up to take those snaps. So I'm thinking from
a number standpoint, now, you're not getting seventy reps a practice,
but if you start to add up the days of
the practices, I would say you.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Would at least kid to maybe fifty snaps.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
That should give you some kind of familiarity with either Ellinger.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Keep in mind you're rotating, splitting that between three quarterbacks too.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
But here's the thing, though, Ben.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
This is what competition is supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
What I'm saying is you're splitting the number of reps.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So you're saying fifty reps, but the reality is you're
getting fifteen with each quarter.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Hey man, So you're talking to a guy who was
an undrafted player who had to maximize every single rep
even if I got five reps in the day, but
yours weren't dependent on which quarter. Like.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
What I'm saying is, I'm talking about the specific quarter.
Every quarterbacks different where they have the hand placement, you know.
I mean, you try to get it, you try to
get it where they like it. But it's different. Everybody's different.
They're different height. Man, snap the damn ball. But every
quarterbacks a different height. So if you're back in the
gun right, your hands are at a different place because
your arms are a different length. Your body is it there?
You know, so you gotta do you have to there's
micro meters. You have to adjust that thing to put
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it where it is. If you're getting fifteen snaps a day,
you know, you're forty five a week maybe with it
with each quarterback? Are you really at a position you
haven't played in years? Are you really ready to start
running NFL games at that point, would.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You be ready to do that?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
But see, that's the thing about the NFL, it's not
look you have to be ready for to seize the
day and seize your moment, because when you're not, you
allow someone else to take your reps. That is sometimes
a difference between the guy making your team and not
making a team. Because we already know a lot of
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guys on the depth. Start and me talking about you know, center,
quarterback and change here.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Now, look across the NFL. We can look across the
Broncos roster.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And say, you're not going to get every single rep
that you may have received in college that aided your development.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
In college, you were getting all the reps right now
you're not. You're not giving you have a limited window.
Oh by the way, in that limited window as a center,
you're split it up between quarterback.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Let's look at it.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Look at let's look at Johnny Baron right on the
defensive side.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
He got the bulk of.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
The reps when he was at Texas, so so it
kind of escalate his development now that he comes to
the Broncos. You got ps two Raleigh Moss, Chris Abrams drain.
You got to you know, resing that two as well,
so j Kwan when he's not playing a nickel position.
So there's the pecand order. So you may only get
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like two or three reps in the period. You have
to maximize those reps. And the way we look at
it is man no excuses. You have to find a
way because this is pro football, this is not the
G League, this is not amateur sports. It's not amateur hour.
And we can say that it's not fair because they're
gonna be put in situations where with limited reps, they
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still have to perform. That's the game. That's what you
sign up for. And that's where you could take your
game to a whole different level. And you can make
all the scouts and the coaches in the room who
are doing evaluating saying, hey, here's a guy that decided
to maximize his reps even though he only had to
feel he made the most of them. And look he
took that to the game and guess what he made
minimum mistakes or those mistakes at all. That's how you
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become a mainstake on a roster, and that's how you
get the coaches to start talking about you more so
than they talked about you before, because.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
We know injuries are gonna happen in this game.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
It's the players who are willing to step up in
those positions and grab that brass ring.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
And once again, I'm gonna tell.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
You, because I've been in that situation.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Before, you cannot make excuses.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
You can sit back and say, you know what, Coach,
I didn't get all the necessary reps.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
No one cares. I get that.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Again, something I'm not arguing here. I'm not saying that
nobody cares whether they don't pre or any that kind
of stuff. I'm saying, would you put your starting quarterback
behind a guy that's getting fifteen reps a day with
you out there, who hasn't played the position in years
and your Super Bowl host reps up rest on that?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't put him back there.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
But guess what, you got two experimental quarterbacks that you
can put them back.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
But Okay, that leads to the broader point that I'm
trying to make better. But that leads the broader point
that I'm trying to make here, is it, are you
really getting a.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Good look at either one of those two guys?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Because of what we're dealing with at center. Even those
two guys, you already know what student is and isn't.
But Ailinger, are you really getting a good look at Ailinger?
Because you're gonna have you know, well, this could be
one of those games.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Where the coaches look at and when they started to evaluate,
especially the quarterbacks of this situation, say you know what
this is kind of this is gonna be somewhat.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Of a throwaway game, right, It's gonna be a throwaway.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Game because we cannot effectively look at the guys. But
the idea is that you have to give both Stity
and Sam the same amount of opportunity to win games.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
You gotta give him the same amount of plays.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Well, yeah, they're gonna give me your half, and that
that's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
That it was not just a half, but the plays
that you're actually calling. Because there's a way that you
can set up one quarterback more so than the other.
Because guess what if you have a problem with center, Okay,
sit your quarterback in a shotgun and then move the pocket.
Who does better with moving the pocket? All right, So
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that's another way that you can do it. Who got
the ball out of the Handcuick. And if you know
that you're having issues with center to quarterback exchange, well
which quarterback was able to masterly overcome that deficiency? That
that now takes that guy, in my opinion, so that.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Elevates him to a whole different level. Yeah, that's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I'm with you on that. Five six, six times zero
is the is the text line. And by the way,
seven one not I'm Sorry'm gonna say au a little
bit here. He said, Hey, he's a path from monument.
What about moving Putin to center? Look, if we had
Vladimir Putin on the team, I don't think we'd I
don't think we put a bit center. And he really
he met Quinn Minors. It was his text to talk.
You clarified that in the subsequent text I I was
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trying had to shove my mic off because I was
laughing at that texted when it first came in. Uh
stepped to a different texture here. If there was a
possibility I was next to line, I'd be snapping the
ball to my damn neighbor or my wife. Okay, I
hear what you're saying. The problem with that is, again
you're trying to find a certain set point to snap
that ball to. When you're back in the shotgun right
and your your wife, I can promise you is not
the same size as Jared Stidham.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Okay, probably not.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
But what did we see of quem minors that helped
him get drafted? He took video of himself listening water bottles,
punching trees. Sometimes you have to be willing to look
and go far beyond anyone else. So if there is
a guy, you push your wife in a helmet and
you put some pillows on her arms, right, and you
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snapped the ball to him, or you get a mattress,
put it against the wall, you kind of put a
target on it, square target like baseball, and you say, okay,
well I how many times can I actually get the
ball to this particular target.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
When there's a will, there is a way.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
And like that Texas said, if you're a guy on
the roster and you're on a bubble, when you are
an extra guard or a third team center, this is
an excellent opportunity for you to practice to say you
know what opportunity has come and knocking.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I have to be willing to open the door and
say come on in.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
You know what I would be doing.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
What would you do?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I would be grabbing sam ailing or outside of work
and be like, hey, let's go up to the school
and snap some let me let me snap some balls
to you. Or but yet after practice, well, but I
mean you got meetings, you know how, you got meetings
of workouts and all kind of stuff after practice. Let's
go meet after let's go after dinner at nothing else
going on, let me let's get this. Let's put both
of us earn a spot on this roster.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Hey man, I would even say, let's get up earlier.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
In the morning, whatever, saying outside of the confines of
all this, let's get.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
You next for half the thing outside of the box,
because once again, some of these opportunities only come up
once in a lifetime.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I'm having that dude create a cardboard cutout. We're taking
it to my house. I'm marking on the cardboard cutout
where I'm snapping the ball too.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I mean, like you know that kind of sit do
you ask the quarterbacks where.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
You want where you want the ball? You want to
mark this thing so I know where to put it
so I can practice doing that. Yeah, I'm just saying, like, right, hey,
I'll get the mindset. I'm just saying five, six, six
times zero is the text line.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Appreciate you guys being.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Along for it.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
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Speaker 3 (18:05):
This Bergson here with Zach Seegers and Wet Blanket Benjamin
all right, catch you you set for the Broncos Friday
night matchup. Wet Blanket all Bright absolutely against the Atlanta
Falcons and to a tongue of a laws, I mean
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he's gonna be starting because guess what, keV Stefanski doesn't
have any at the quarterback because Michael Pennis is, guess what,
injured as he always is.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And this is what we knew coming out of college.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
So it's gonna be interesting to see how Stefanski approaches
this particular game with so much on the line for
the Falcons at the quarterback position because tuas trying to
get back to maybe that Pro Bowl form.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Can he do it? I think that's the strong possibility
that he can.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Because you got drake lonnon at at the wide receiver position,
you can hand it off to Bijon Man.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
You got a tight end slash wide receiver. Band likes
to call the.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Big slat or whatever, heavy slide, whatever he wants to
call them. But this may be proved to be an
opportunity for Tua to really showcase his skill set.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
It might be, but my hesitation is as good as
the surroundings are. I like Kevin Stefanski's offense. Is there
any way he has it better than he had it
in Miami, you know, with with Jalen Waddle and Tyreek
Hill and Mike McDaniel and Devin h. Hane or devon
a change. I just again, maybe it is slightly better,
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but I just wonder like, is there any way we
see a better version of Tua or has Mike mcda
squeezed every ounce of juice out of that?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Or No, you're going to see a better tool because
when you think about some of the skill players, the
skilled players are better right when you have Okay, let
me say, if you had a j or Vjon Rominson,
what's one of those backs, would you say it's the
better beat?
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I think money tells us that it's Jon, right.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
And then you think about the fact that you have
Kyle Pitts as your tight end. There's so many different
things that you can do it if you're Kevin Sefanski,
the same things that Kevi Sevanski tried to do with
David and Djoku in Cleveland, he can now do that.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
With Kyle Pitts. And then you got Drake London man,
just throw it off. The fifty to fifty ball is there,
and we know too a tongue of the law has.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
A Russell Wilson type of moon ball where he can
put it up in the air and Drake London can go.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
And get it.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
So this is the best offense I say that fits
to a tongue of a law, to his skill set
and gives him an opportunity as though we've seen Baker
Mayfield reinvent himself, so we could be on the verge
of seeing in to a tongue of a law reinvent himself.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
And Michael Pennix in the same situation that JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Finds himself with the Minnesota Bikings in a backup singer role,
that could be that could be something that happens.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
He might be backing up the Chargers here soon. By
the way, I don't think he's gonna be in Minnesota
much longer.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Oh then going to the Charges with his old.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Coach, I believe, I believe that he would be possibly.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Even if that's what happened, been he would go to
Jacoon McCarthy end up going to the Chargers if you
were right to be just what a backup because there's
in all way that he's going to beat Justin Herbert
out and if you could not beat out Kylin Murray,
what do you what are your thoughts in thinking that
though you're gonna beat out Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I don't think he thinks he's gonna beat out Justin Herbert.
I think he need a change of scenery. You just
lost a quarterback by battle to Kyler Burry. Clearly your
team didn't believe in you to begin with. By bringing
Murray in, uh, and I think he needs a reset.
And who better to reset than a coach already knows him. Uh,
he can get his bearings back up or missus like
Daniel Jones going to Minnesota lesh or what or not
last year? Yar before last I guess it was.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Whatever it was, But here's the difference.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Though Daniel Jones went back for QB rehab.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
That's what I think.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
JJ McCarthy writes, he set, he watched, just like you
know Sam Donald did when Sam went.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
To the forty nine ers. He set, he watched. He
had his opportunity. He made the most out of that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
But JJ McCarthy is a chance to get into an
offense that fits him better anyway with with Mike McDaniel
on the show, and then if Mike gets another head
coaching job, well maybe he's bringing JJ with You know
that kind of thing. So I think there's an opportunity
there for him that maybe is not there in Minnesota
where he's just the odd man out.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Well, this is one of those issues when you're drafting
a quarterback in the first round, right, a guy like
JJ McCarthy coming off a national title, a lot of
hat around him. But even when he was coming out
I did was that well, he didn't really have to
do anything because Michigan leaned on their defense in their
running game.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
But we know how this is.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
It's a quarterback driven league and everyone loves propping the
quarterback up, and sometimes that blinds a lot of people
to a lot of things that they should pick up
that's negative on the particular quarterback. So hopefully whatever happens
with JJ McCarthy, hopefully he gets another opportunity, but it
would only be in the back of a row.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
This is why been it is so important when you.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Have your moment, you have to maximize your moment and
you have to strike when the iron is hot, especially
when your first round dropt stories because those guys who
are taking in the first round, no matter whatever position,
but more opporly at the quarterback position, they have more
opportunities to fail than anyone else.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, I agree with that, But again, like, what are
you going to do if you lose the competition?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
What are you going to do get better?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Well?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
How are you going to get better?
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Well?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I would like to think your organization's no longer invested
in you. They've turned to another guy.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
That may be the case, but there's an opportunity for
you to win back some of your confidence and.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Some of the organizational confidence.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Because each player, well receive an opportunity to play in
a preseason game. That's your opportunity to seize the moment,
make the right throw, don't turn the ball over, put
zip on it if you're a quarterback, and show your mobility.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I guess I agree with that. I'm just saying that, like,
you've already lost to Kyler Murray, you're not winning that
job back, and like unless he gets hurt, which is
a possibility, I guess. But if you're Anthony Richardson or
Trey Lance or you know, justin Field, I'm rolling down
the list of people who got benched for you know,
first round quarterbacks that have got benched for somebody else.
What happens, they go elsewhere. That's just how that's life
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in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Well, okay, but in order to go elsewhere, you have
to show other teams that there's still some upside to you.
Because the biggest thing that jumps out for those guys
who are taken in the first round, specifically at the
quarterback position, because the rules seem to be different for them.
But this will work well with other guys too. If
you are a former first round pick, other teams would
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be willing to pick you up even if though you
didn't succeed at the first team that drafted you, saying Okay,
here's a player who's a former first round pick.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
We can rehab him.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Right, Because the same thing happens in relationships where a
woman sees a guy and they think, well, you know what,
I can fix him. I can mold him like a
piece of clay. And what happens doesn't work out there you.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Go right, because you cannot mold.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
A person like, hey, you can't and you can't do it,
you know, and there's just that inherent arrogance that you
can fix the things about it. And maybe you do
fix a few things about them or whatever whatever it
may be. But the reality is, at the end of
the day, you're setting yourself up for misery and doing
something like that. And I think that the NFL by
and large has somebody today suggested a developmental problem. I'm like, okay,
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sort of, But the NFL's will win now league. It's
not a coach's job develop you. It's your job to
come in and learn, learn to play and win. It's
on you to wait, hold on now, it's on you
take I got to push back on that. It is
a two way flow. That's we're saying. It's not a
what I should have said. It's not solely on the
NFL to development. That's I should get better, right, But yeah,
I mean you you you have to develop. You have
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to learn too. You have to get better. And so
I think that with the advent of n IL money,
it behoo's quarterbacks to stay in school. J. J.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
McCarthy came out early.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Why Michael Pettick's like, you know, when you look at
Michael Peticks.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
You're out of eligibility. You gotta you know, you come on it.
But if you're like JJ McCarthy, stay in school for
trying lance, go get the reps. You can use your
dudes that don't have enough reps. But this is the problem, and.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Those guys were told because once again.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
JJ was coming off being on college football's peak.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, you at the top of the mountain, go back.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
You just won the national title, and you're thinking, Okay,
well I'm gonna lead because I'm gonna strike.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
While the iron is hot. My stock will be at
as hot as at this moment. I come back. Our
team is not as good.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
So that means, though, he's gonna exposed more weaknesses about
your game.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
So you say, well, I'm gonna come out now those
who are gonna get exposed in an NFL camp and
you don't have the option.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
To following back to well, here's the difference. Though, here's
a difference.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
At that point, you could say, yep, I didn't succeed
at the NFL level, but oh, by the way, I
was drafted in the first round. You stay and you
go back to college, you may not get drafted at all.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Maybe, but that typically doesn't happen nobody, you know, I
think Keevin Sneid. Maybe it was the guy remember when
he came out early, didn't get drafted. I trying to
think of somebody that was considered or would have been
the first round, or that went back and tanked there
and really just genuinely tank. And I'm struggling to come
up with a name that would even fit that. That mold.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
But most guys in that position, all the talk is
about you. Everyone in the nation is talking about the
valuation now, But the NFL is you.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Get guys that you know are willing to gamble on
developmental guys instead, and and and what happens, Well, that's
I could go read down the laundry list of people
that that that are you know that are better. You
gotta see this Eagle social media post which has consumed
my day as Eagles fans are melting down because I
Dared pointed it out. The Eagle social media team highlights
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Jalen Hurt's interception. It was super weird. They decided to
basically trumpet an interception made by cornerback Quinn and Mitchell,
except it really didn't do that because it starts off
as just zoomed in on Jalen Hurts and the entire
time zoomed in on him, and then Quinna Mitchill comes
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in for a brief second at the end and intercepts it,
and it's just really weird way to do things. You
can look at. People were like, oh, the Bills did
it yesterday with which Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
No, they didn't.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Bills didn't show Josh Allen throwing the ball at all.
They highlighted the player making the interception the whole way.
You see Josh Allen in one frame for half a
second in the background, and that's how you know who
threw it. But they highlight the player making the interception.
This didn't highlight Quinya and Mitchell at all. It's literally
a tight, zoomed in shot on Jalen Hurts throwing a
laughably ridiculous interception over the middle to Quenten and Mitchell.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
And I think that's what makes it worse is that
it's laughable, Like one thing. I think I've seen the
Broncos and like you're saying, maybe they don't show who
threw the ball, but oftentimes when they're highlighting a defensive play,
also just because it's a better defensive highlight, it's not
a bad offensive play, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
It's like, well, that's what social media teams do.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
That pass was on target to Courtland Sutton and Certan
flew in there and broke it.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Up or intercepted it or whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Catain making the and then it's certain making a play.
Like what they what the social media teams do is
they try to highlight the player making the play and
not the mistake. You know, they try not have to
put their starters. Even then it can be, you know,
a great play beats a good play. You know, I've
seen those on social media. This is just like a
terrible throw by over the middle Jalen Hurts and quinnya
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On Mitchell has just happens to be, you know, and
it's right.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
On wait, I'm gonna stop both of you guys, right
because I saw the play and social media. Yes, you
want the team to somehow uplift the offense, and he's
always uplift the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
No, the team lift the players start.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Who if somebody's making it, you don't if somebody, let's
say Jayla Wattle scores a long touchdown, you don't highlight
the guy falling down on the play. You just you
track the player making a catch and you go from there.
You edit that out, and that's what you edit out,
the bad part case.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
So on this play, the Eagles defender made a great
grab the ball inches off the ground right, and when
you look at Jalen Hurts when he drops back, he
looks to his left right, And for me, the coaching
point is that you're looking to where you want to
throw the ball entirely too long. You got to bring
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multiple defenders in that window. If you know that you're
trying to throw that twelve yard dig, look to the
right and come back to that play let. So when
I look at it from my perspective, he wasn't throwing
to a receiver per se. He was thrown to a spot.
His receiver was beaten to that spot by the defender.
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Because once again, the coaching point for Jalen Hurts to say,
hey man, you got to come off of that play.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Don't don't look at the entire way. And it happens
to young guys, and it happens.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
To veteran guys because you're telegraphing where you're going to
throw it. But I get what you're saying. It's like
because that's your starting quarterback. There's been a lot of
controversial conversation and.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Dialogue between he and you know, his.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Wide receivers now with the Patriots right Aj Brown, So
it's like, oh, look.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
At you, laughing at you, this is why A J.
Brown left.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
But it's a super It's also it's also a super
weird deal because the whole angle is is a tight
shot on the quarterback the whole time. You never even
you never even like Quitta Mitchell's in that video for
two seconds, Like if it was me, I would get
the angle that has the corner in it and watch,
you know, and have him going over and making the
interception up off the ground, showing the quarterback because what's
the point.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Well for me, I would I would go with a
wide verdic who look so you can see where the
wide receiver is coming from, because that tells you more
about what the route was supposed to be opposed to
what the ending product was.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So obviously a lot.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Of people are going to criticize Jalen Hurts, but I
see this an entirely different way from everyone else.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
No, I I'm just saying, like, I don't have any
problems show interceptions, show guys making plays.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I'm all for it, but show them what you need
you need.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
The editor's version is that you need to why the why,
just like show the CAD screen.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
The corner is in that video for a second and
a half, right, like there's six seconds of Jalen Hurt's
making a stupid looking throw and then like a brief
snippet of Quentin and Mitchell making the interception of like,
just show the interception.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
I was running the board for us, but I saw
about seven tweets on Saturday talking about that Pat Bryant
catch being the play at Camp.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
I guarantee you the Broncos have.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Film of it.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Why haven't they tweeted it out like they've tweeted out
other highlights. I would bet it's because they didn't want
the cornerback or cornerbacks or safety or whatever who got
quote unquote moss or dunked on or whatever on that
play to face any.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Social media jokes, because guess what if it happens in
the game, guess what we all saw it. This is
a social media status quo on both sides.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Put it out there for everyone.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
We'll find out what Parker Gabriel thinks about that when
we come back those countries tonight.
Six nine zero. The text line Big Sheldon Night Park
Gabriel seven o five at Cosmius seven thirty five were
on the cusp Nick Ferguson as it were of the preseason.
Our first preseason game on Friday, Broncos traveling to Atlanta
to take on the Atlanta Falcons right here on KOA.
Games starts at five, but our coverage will start at
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one pm. Yourself, myself live here on KOA. That's right.
Broncos released the depth chart today, Now are you know?
You know how they do it? They always put the
rookies at the bottom and the first depth charts like
laughably ridiculous, you know, as it always is. But it's
not going to play in the first preseason game and
a decision that was either decided months ago or not decided.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I heard that you took an issue with that.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I don't have real issue with it. I just like, yeah,
I mean I don't care that he's not being truthful,
Like I don't care, but.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
You sure you don't care. It sounded like you care.
That's what Ryan told me.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Ryan said stuff sometimes, So it was Ryan, why I look,
he wasn't wearing plaid today, So I just assumed everything
was off. He wasn't wearing flannel, so I just assumed
everything was wrong today.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So how how was it that you do feel by
the fact that bo is not going to.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Play this game the right decision you have.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
You're missing death at the center position, you know, like,
don't risk it. There's this is a super Bowl caliber
football team, a championship caliber football team. What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Like?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I don't care these that you know that the decision
was actually made last week, Like I I I don't.
It doesn't matter. I just like they, whether by hook
or crook, arrived at the right decision. So I'm fine
with the decision. I don't have an actual problem with it.
I think it's the right decision. I think they made
the right call not playing him. I mean, if if
you had, if you had healthy centers, that might be
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a bit of a different call. But you know, playing
gay week two, week three, and move on about your day.
Does it really matter? It's the preseason.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Well, you know what the first thing I thought about
when Ryan was talking to me about your discussion before
I joined you, and he was say, and how you
were so I guess not opposed to it or you
were not in agreement or or better yet, you were
in an agreement with the head coach and his statement.
I mean, when asked if I think that this is
a good idea of keeping bow Knicks out of the
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first game based on what's happening up front, especially with
the center position, I wanted to channel my inner Colonel
jessp from a few good men, you got that run
just to put him in that game.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
I don't think we could say that on the air, actually, Nick.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Well, okay, gosh, well, I guess I just listened it.
But anyway, but the idea is.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
That you're right that Bou should not play in this
first game. And I think the decision was made long
time ago with Bo coming off of injury, that they
didn't want to put or subject Bow to any other
further injuries or setbacks because we know a lot of
the Bronco's hopes from the playoffs and beyond depend on
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two things, well three things. One Broncos being able to
run the ball, Bo being healthy.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
And no, no, no, no, not to do suit.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
It's the Broncos defense continuing to pick up where they're
left off. So yeah, so I would not play Bow
in this first game. I would wait, maybe the second
game get him a couple of reps, but what we
know Bo really doesn't need it based on the skill set.
The only reason that you would want to see Bo
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have more than fifteen or twenty plays is because one
the Broncos didn't have a joint practice this year. I
feel as though that level of competition from another team
coming in would have been great for the team, because
what we've seen over the past couple of years is
that the intensity of competition elevates to a whole different
level when you have joint practices. And the joint practices
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I will say because I wasn't a fan of it
at first, but then I came around and say, well, wow,
you see more intensity and more competition in the joint
practices than you see in the games themselves.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, so I love the idea. I, uh, you will.
We've been over this. I famously prefer joint practices and
was disappointed that we did not do that this year.
Very disappointed. I made my displeasure known. Yes, I think
they are inherently valuable. I think that they break up
the monotony of camp. I think they it finds a
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way to get the aggression out. I think you get
more out of them than you get out of some
preseason games in a lot of ways. I think you
get guys back to playing technique rather than playing the man.
If you get used to something, you know, you're up
there in rills, one on one reps and all you get,
you get used to what they do you every day
for for a month and a half two months. You
get used to what they do. Start playing the man
instead of the technique, and it could lead you to
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problems in the season when you can start gett that
muscle memory from well, I know what they're doing, so
I'm gonna play it this way.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I he can't do this, or I know he struggles
with that. You know, so I'm gonna do this because
I know that that works against him instead of playing
the technique as assigned.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Well, this is why fans should not be a little
shocked if we see a couple of deficiencies on either
side of the ball heading into Friday's game, Because you're
absolutely right. Then when you talk about the aspect of
competing against a guy from OTAs to Mini caamp to
training camp, and you see that guy every single day
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and you have to start learning to scout as a
player to increase your development. So that means shouting your
own teammates self scouting right, seeing which guy struggle with
maybe an arm over, or which guy struggles if you're
edge rusher with a bull rush right, which guy can't
really sit down his hips with his hips and can't
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counter on multiple pass move rush moves right or russus
the speed rush. So every time you go up against
that guy, that's what you do to him. You attack
his weakness. So to see another guy that you really
don't get a chance to practice with on an everyday basis,
who's going to bring something a little different from what
you're seeing to me, that's where the challenge and actually begins.
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And that's where from a rookie standpoint, or a guy
who maybe in the second year, who didn't play a
lot his first year, those are the issues that those
players battle with because you get so used to guys
that you compete against every day.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
This other guy, he's foreign. But here's the problem.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
You're being evaluated every single play, so you have but
a short time to learn how to adjust well.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
And that's stay and then that's all part of it.
But I think I think you're on the same page
with most of this, I mean with it doesn't really
matter in the end anyway, when when a Bonix decision
was made. As far as that kind of stuff goes,
the reality is he's not playing in the first preseason game.
The reality is that's probably smart due to the lack
of depth you have at center. Right now, it's Dieter
carted off, Wattburg still on the side field, and who
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knows on Forsyth. You know what that's going to be. So,
I mean the Broncos, you get stid him for a
half and you get an ailing her for a half.
It's gonna be Stidah in the first half, ailing or
second half. And and like for me, I wonder, like
I wonder how much of a quality look you get
at either guy if you if you can't, if you
can't even get the basics of the center position. Now,
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this is what we're talking about yesterday I think it
was or day before, where you know, I mean, we've
seen some struggles with the center quarterback exchange from guys
who hadn't played center in a long time but get
thrust into the role.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
But this is the way that you resolve that that situation,
you go back to doing what you've been doing historically,
and that was putting your quarterback in the shotgun. So
if you put your quarterback in the shotgun, and this
albeit is the first preseason game, is going to be
as vanilla as ice cream, right, So put him in
a shotgun.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
You don't have to worry about quarterbacks center exchange.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
You can if he fired off over his head.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Well, now, now here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Now, if you're a freaking center on the Broncos roster,
where if you're a reserve and you can't get the
ball from underneath you to the depth of the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And in his hands, you got a lot of problems.
You should at least be able to do that.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
If you can't get the ball to a quarterback when
he's on the center, you should be able to do that.
I would like to think that both me and you
and Zach and a lot of people listening to us,
they can do that. Now, you'd be put under pressure
when they put it through under play on guy in
front of you.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
But I still would like the thing.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
If that's something you used to snapping the ball, you
usoul to be able to get the ball back to.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
The quarterback above his waistline.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
She would not, you would think, But again, we're talking
about guys that have not played the center position that often.
Or take us a tackle kh Casey was, you know,
tackle of a guard. Wait, that's what practice is for. Well,
but I'm saying a game practice, right, But again, you
haven't had those snaps, so you literally all you got
was a practice with you know, thirty snaps. Maybe, I mean,
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that's what you're getting. So these guys don't have the
reps on this stuff. They don't have the res pay on.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Wattenberg went out earlier in training camp, so again and
then he got hurt.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Then he got hurt, right, But when Wattenberg went out,
Dita went in. They still had to have someone backing
him up to take those snaps. So I'm thinking from
a number standpoint, now, you're not getting seventy reps a practice,
but if you start to add up the days of
the practices, I would say you.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Would at least kid to maybe fifty snaps.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
That should give you some kind of familiarity with either Ellinger.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Keep in mind you're rotating, splitting that between three quarterbacks too.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
But here's the thing, though, Ben.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
This is what competition is supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
What I'm saying is you're splitting the number of reps.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
So you're saying fifty reps, but the reality is you're
getting fifteen with each quarter.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Hey man, So you're talking to a guy who was
an undrafted player who had to maximize every single rep
even if I got five reps in the day, but
yours weren't dependent on which quarter. Like.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
What I'm saying is, I'm talking about the specific quarter.
Every quarterbacks different where they have the hand placement, you know.
I mean, you try to get it, you try to
get it where they like it. But it's different. Everybody's different.
They're different height. Man, snap the damn ball. But every
quarterbacks a different height. So if you're back in the
gun right, your hands are at a different place because
your arms are a different length. Your body is it there?
You know, so you gotta do you have to there's
micro meters. You have to adjust that thing to put
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it where it is. If you're getting fifteen snaps a day,
you know, you're forty five a week maybe with it
with each quarterback? Are you really at a position you
haven't played in years? Are you really ready to start
running NFL games at that point, would.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You be ready to do that?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
But see, that's the thing about the NFL, it's not
look you have to be ready for to seize the
day and seize your moment, because when you're not, you
allow someone else to take your reps. That is sometimes
a difference between the guy making your team and not
making a team. Because we already know a lot of
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guys on the depth. Start and me talking about you know, center,
quarterback and change here.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Now, look across the NFL. We can look across the
Broncos roster.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
And say, you're not going to get every single rep
that you may have received in college that aided your development.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
In college, you were getting all the reps right now
you're not. You're not giving you have a limited window.
Oh by the way, in that limited window as a center,
you're split it up between quarterback.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Let's look at it.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Look at let's look at Johnny Baron right on the
defensive side.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
He got the bulk of.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
The reps when he was at Texas, so so it
kind of escalate his development now that he comes to
the Broncos. You got ps two Raleigh Moss, Chris Abrams drain.
You got to you know, resing that two as well,
so j Kwan when he's not playing a nickel position.
So there's the pecand order. So you may only get
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like two or three reps in the period. You have
to maximize those reps. And the way we look at
it is man no excuses. You have to find a
way because this is pro football, this is not the
G League, this is not amateur sports. It's not amateur hour.
And we can say that it's not fair because they're
gonna be put in situations where with limited reps, they
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still have to perform. That's the game. That's what you
sign up for. And that's where you could take your
game to a whole different level. And you can make
all the scouts and the coaches in the room who
are doing evaluating saying, hey, here's a guy that decided
to maximize his reps even though he only had to
feel he made the most of them. And look he
took that to the game and guess what he made
minimum mistakes or those mistakes at all. That's how you
(12:31):
become a mainstake on a roster, and that's how you
get the coaches to start talking about you more so
than they talked about you before, because.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
We know injuries are gonna happen in this game.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
It's the players who are willing to step up in
those positions and grab that brass ring.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
And once again, I'm gonna tell.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
You, because I've been in that situation.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Before, you cannot make excuses.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
You can sit back and say, you know what, Coach,
I didn't get all the necessary reps.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
No one cares. I get that.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Again, something I'm not arguing here. I'm not saying that
nobody cares whether they don't pre or any that kind
of stuff. I'm saying, would you put your starting quarterback
behind a guy that's getting fifteen reps a day with
you out there, who hasn't played the position in years
and your Super Bowl host reps up rest on that?
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't put him back there.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
But guess what, you got two experimental quarterbacks that you
can put them back.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
But Okay, that leads to the broader point that I'm
trying to make better. But that leads the broader point
that I'm trying to make here, is it, are you
really getting a.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Good look at either one of those two guys?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Because of what we're dealing with at center. Even those
two guys, you already know what student is and isn't.
But Ailinger, are you really getting a good look at Ailinger?
Because you're gonna have you know, well, this could be
one of those games.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Where the coaches look at and when they started to evaluate,
especially the quarterbacks of this situation, say you know what
this is kind of this is gonna be somewhat.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Of a throwaway game, right, It's gonna be a throwaway.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Game because we cannot effectively look at the guys. But
the idea is that you have to give both Stity
and Sam the same amount of opportunity to win games.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
You gotta give him the same amount of plays.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Well, yeah, they're gonna give me your half, and that
that's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
That it was not just a half, but the plays
that you're actually calling. Because there's a way that you
can set up one quarterback more so than the other.
Because guess what if you have a problem with center, Okay,
sit your quarterback in a shotgun and then move the pocket.
Who does better with moving the pocket? All right, So
(14:23):
that's another way that you can do it. Who got
the ball out of the Handcuick. And if you know
that you're having issues with center to quarterback exchange, well
which quarterback was able to masterly overcome that deficiency? That
that now takes that guy, in my opinion, so that.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Elevates him to a whole different level. Yeah, that's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I'm with you on that. Five six, six times zero
is the is the text line. And by the way,
seven one not I'm Sorry'm gonna say au a little
bit here. He said, Hey, he's a path from monument.
What about moving Putin to center? Look, if we had
Vladimir Putin on the team, I don't think we'd I
don't think we put a bit center. And he really
he met Quinn Minors. It was his text to talk.
You clarified that in the subsequent text I I was
(15:06):
trying had to shove my mic off because I was
laughing at that texted when it first came in. Uh
stepped to a different texture here. If there was a
possibility I was next to line, I'd be snapping the
ball to my damn neighbor or my wife. Okay, I
hear what you're saying. The problem with that is, again
you're trying to find a certain set point to snap
that ball to. When you're back in the shotgun right
and your your wife, I can promise you is not
the same size as Jared Stidham.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Okay, probably not.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
But what did we see of quem minors that helped
him get drafted? He took video of himself listening water bottles,
punching trees. Sometimes you have to be willing to look
and go far beyond anyone else. So if there is
a guy, you push your wife in a helmet and
you put some pillows on her arms, right, and you
(15:54):
snapped the ball to him, or you get a mattress,
put it against the wall, you kind of put a
target on it, square target like baseball, and you say, okay,
well I how many times can I actually get the
ball to this particular target.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
When there's a will, there is a way.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
And like that Texas said, if you're a guy on
the roster and you're on a bubble, when you are
an extra guard or a third team center, this is
an excellent opportunity for you to practice to say you
know what opportunity has come and knocking.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I have to be willing to open the door and
say come on in.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
You know what I would be doing.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
What would you do?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I would be grabbing sam ailing or outside of work
and be like, hey, let's go up to the school
and snap some let me let me snap some balls
to you. Or but yet after practice, well, but I
mean you got meetings, you know how, you got meetings
of workouts and all kind of stuff after practice. Let's
go meet after let's go after dinner at nothing else
going on, let me let's get this. Let's put both
of us earn a spot on this roster.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Hey man, I would even say, let's get up earlier.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
In the morning, whatever, saying outside of the confines of
all this, let's get.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
You next for half the thing outside of the box,
because once again, some of these opportunities only come up
once in a lifetime.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I'm having that dude create a cardboard cutout. We're taking
it to my house. I'm marking on the cardboard cutout
where I'm snapping the ball too.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I mean, like you know that kind of sit do
you ask the quarterbacks where.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
You want where you want the ball? You want to
mark this thing so I know where to put it
so I can practice doing that. Yeah, I'm just saying, like, right, hey,
I'll get the mindset. I'm just saying five, six, six
times zero is the text line.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Appreciate you guys being.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Along for it.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Full show tonight as I knock stuff over in studio.
That's great. Uh, we will solve the mystery of the
chewed up pen. If you watched uh Colorado one of
News this morning, Ross and and Gina. We're calling it
out with Ross and Gina. There is a mystery of
a chewed up pen. And I have solved the mystery
of the chewed up pen.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I am realizing myself what happened to after I I
loane to pend to someone.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
HM, I know exactly who saw so the mystery If
you were around for that and you saw Gina gondex
Instagram post, I will solve that mystery for everyone who
the pen cheer is a kale. A big show tonight
with Parker Gabril and the cosmoder joining us at the
shove o'clock our Broncos Country Night back ater.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
This Bergson here with Zach Seegers and Wet Blanket Benjamin
all right, catch you you set for the Broncos Friday
night matchup. Wet Blanket all Bright absolutely against the Atlanta
Falcons and to a tongue of a laws, I mean
(18:27):
he's gonna be starting because guess what, keV Stefanski doesn't
have any at the quarterback because Michael Pennis is, guess what,
injured as he always is.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
And this is what we knew coming out of college.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
So it's gonna be interesting to see how Stefanski approaches
this particular game with so much on the line for
the Falcons at the quarterback position because tuas trying to
get back to maybe that Pro Bowl form.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Can he do it? I think that's the strong possibility
that he can.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Because you got drake lonnon at at the wide receiver position,
you can hand it off to Bijon Man.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
You got a tight end slash wide receiver. Band likes
to call the.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Big slat or whatever, heavy slide, whatever he wants to
call them. But this may be proved to be an
opportunity for Tua to really showcase his skill set.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
It might be, but my hesitation is as good as
the surroundings are. I like Kevin Stefanski's offense. Is there
any way he has it better than he had it
in Miami, you know, with with Jalen Waddle and Tyreek
Hill and Mike McDaniel and Devin h. Hane or devon
a change. I just again, maybe it is slightly better,
(19:37):
but I just wonder like, is there any way we
see a better version of Tua or has Mike mcda
squeezed every ounce of juice out of that?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Or No, you're going to see a better tool because
when you think about some of the skill players, the
skilled players are better right when you have Okay, let
me say, if you had a j or Vjon Rominson,
what's one of those backs, would you say it's the
better beat?
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I think money tells us that it's Jon, right.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
And then you think about the fact that you have
Kyle Pitts as your tight end. There's so many different
things that you can do it if you're Kevin Sefanski,
the same things that Kevi Sevanski tried to do with
David and Djoku in Cleveland, he can now do that.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
With Kyle Pitts. And then you got Drake London man,
just throw it off. The fifty to fifty ball is there,
and we know too a tongue of the law has.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
A Russell Wilson type of moon ball where he can
put it up in the air and Drake London can go.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
And get it.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
So this is the best offense I say that fits
to a tongue of a law, to his skill set
and gives him an opportunity as though we've seen Baker
Mayfield reinvent himself, so we could be on the verge
of seeing in to a tongue of a law reinvent himself.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
And Michael Pennix in the same situation that JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Finds himself with the Minnesota Bikings in a backup singer role,
that could be that could be something that happens.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
He might be backing up the Chargers here soon. By
the way, I don't think he's gonna be in Minnesota
much longer.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Oh then going to the Charges with his old.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Coach, I believe, I believe that he would be possibly.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Even if that's what happened, been he would go to
Jacoon McCarthy end up going to the Chargers if you
were right to be just what a backup because there's
in all way that he's going to beat Justin Herbert
out and if you could not beat out Kylin Murray,
what do you what are your thoughts in thinking that
though you're gonna beat out Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I don't think he thinks he's gonna beat out Justin Herbert.
I think he need a change of scenery. You just
lost a quarterback by battle to Kyler Burry. Clearly your
team didn't believe in you to begin with. By bringing
Murray in, uh, and I think he needs a reset.
And who better to reset than a coach already knows him. Uh,
he can get his bearings back up or missus like
Daniel Jones going to Minnesota lesh or what or not
last year? Yar before last I guess it was.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Whatever it was, But here's the difference.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Though Daniel Jones went back for QB rehab.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
That's what I think.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
JJ McCarthy writes, he set, he watched, just like you
know Sam Donald did when Sam went.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
To the forty nine ers. He set, he watched. He
had his opportunity. He made the most out of that opportunity.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
But JJ McCarthy is a chance to get into an
offense that fits him better anyway with with Mike McDaniel
on the show, and then if Mike gets another head
coaching job, well maybe he's bringing JJ with You know
that kind of thing. So I think there's an opportunity
there for him that maybe is not there in Minnesota
where he's just the odd man out.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Well, this is one of those issues when you're drafting
a quarterback in the first round, right, a guy like
JJ McCarthy coming off a national title, a lot of
hat around him. But even when he was coming out
I did was that well, he didn't really have to
do anything because Michigan leaned on their defense in their
running game.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
But we know how this is.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
It's a quarterback driven league and everyone loves propping the
quarterback up, and sometimes that blinds a lot of people
to a lot of things that they should pick up
that's negative on the particular quarterback. So hopefully whatever happens
with JJ McCarthy, hopefully he gets another opportunity, but it
would only be in the back of a row.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
This is why been it is so important when you.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Have your moment, you have to maximize your moment and
you have to strike when the iron is hot, especially
when your first round dropt stories because those guys who
are taking in the first round, no matter whatever position,
but more opporly at the quarterback position, they have more
opportunities to fail than anyone else.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, I agree with that, But again, like, what are
you going to do if you lose the competition?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
What are you going to do get better?
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Well?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
How are you going to get better?
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Well?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I would like to think your organization's no longer invested
in you. They've turned to another guy.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
That may be the case, but there's an opportunity for
you to win back some of your confidence and.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Some of the organizational confidence.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Because each player, well receive an opportunity to play in
a preseason game. That's your opportunity to seize the moment,
make the right throw, don't turn the ball over, put
zip on it if you're a quarterback, and show your mobility.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I guess I agree with that. I'm just saying that, like,
you've already lost to Kyler Murray, you're not winning that
job back, and like unless he gets hurt, which is
a possibility, I guess. But if you're Anthony Richardson or
Trey Lance or you know, justin Field, I'm rolling down
the list of people who got benched for you know,
first round quarterbacks that have got benched for somebody else.
What happens, they go elsewhere. That's just how that's life
(24:43):
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Well, okay, but in order to go elsewhere, you have
to show other teams that there's still some upside to you.
Because the biggest thing that jumps out for those guys
who are taken in the first round, specifically at the
quarterback position, because the rules seem to be different for them.
But this will work well with other guys too. If
you are a former first round pick, other teams would
(25:05):
be willing to pick you up even if though you
didn't succeed at the first team that drafted you, saying Okay,
here's a player who's a former first round pick.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
We can rehab him.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Right, Because the same thing happens in relationships where a
woman sees a guy and they think, well, you know what,
I can fix him. I can mold him like a
piece of clay. And what happens doesn't work out there you.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Go right, because you cannot mold.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
A person like, hey, you can't and you can't do it,
you know, and there's just that inherent arrogance that you
can fix the things about it. And maybe you do
fix a few things about them or whatever whatever it
may be. But the reality is, at the end of
the day, you're setting yourself up for misery and doing
something like that. And I think that the NFL by
and large has somebody today suggested a developmental problem. I'm like, okay,
(25:50):
sort of, But the NFL's will win now league. It's
not a coach's job develop you. It's your job to
come in and learn, learn to play and win. It's
on you to wait, hold on now, it's on you
take I got to push back on that. It is
a two way flow. That's we're saying. It's not a
what I should have said. It's not solely on the
NFL to development. That's I should get better, right, But yeah,
I mean you you you have to develop. You have
(26:11):
to learn too. You have to get better. And so
I think that with the advent of n IL money,
it behoo's quarterbacks to stay in school. J. J.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
McCarthy came out early.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Why Michael Pettick's like, you know, when you look at
Michael Peticks.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
You're out of eligibility. You gotta you know, you come on it.
But if you're like JJ McCarthy, stay in school for
trying lance, go get the reps. You can use your
dudes that don't have enough reps. But this is the problem, and.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Those guys were told because once again.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
JJ was coming off being on college football's peak.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, you at the top of the mountain, go back.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
You just won the national title, and you're thinking, Okay,
well I'm gonna lead because I'm gonna strike.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
While the iron is hot. My stock will be at
as hot as at this moment. I come back. Our
team is not as good.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
So that means, though, he's gonna exposed more weaknesses about
your game.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
So you say, well, I'm gonna come out now those
who are gonna get exposed in an NFL camp and
you don't have the option.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
To following back to well, here's the difference. Though, here's
a difference.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
At that point, you could say, yep, I didn't succeed
at the NFL level, but oh, by the way, I
was drafted in the first round. You stay and you
go back to college, you may not get drafted at all.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Maybe, but that typically doesn't happen nobody, you know, I
think Keevin Sneid. Maybe it was the guy remember when
he came out early, didn't get drafted. I trying to
think of somebody that was considered or would have been
the first round, or that went back and tanked there
and really just genuinely tank. And I'm struggling to come
up with a name that would even fit that. That mold.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
But most guys in that position, all the talk is
about you. Everyone in the nation is talking about the
valuation now, But the NFL is you.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Get guys that you know are willing to gamble on
developmental guys instead, and and and what happens, Well, that's
I could go read down the laundry list of people
that that that are you know that are better. You
gotta see this Eagle social media post which has consumed
my day as Eagles fans are melting down because I
Dared pointed it out. The Eagle social media team highlights
(28:17):
Jalen Hurt's interception. It was super weird. They decided to
basically trumpet an interception made by cornerback Quinn and Mitchell,
except it really didn't do that because it starts off
as just zoomed in on Jalen Hurts and the entire
time zoomed in on him, and then Quinna Mitchill comes
(28:38):
in for a brief second at the end and intercepts it,
and it's just really weird way to do things. You
can look at. People were like, oh, the Bills did
it yesterday with which Josh Allen.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
No, they didn't.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Bills didn't show Josh Allen throwing the ball at all.
They highlighted the player making the interception the whole way.
You see Josh Allen in one frame for half a
second in the background, and that's how you know who
threw it. But they highlight the player making the interception.
This didn't highlight Quinya and Mitchell at all. It's literally
a tight, zoomed in shot on Jalen Hurts throwing a
laughably ridiculous interception over the middle to Quenten and Mitchell.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
And I think that's what makes it worse is that
it's laughable, Like one thing. I think I've seen the
Broncos and like you're saying, maybe they don't show who
threw the ball, but oftentimes when they're highlighting a defensive play,
also just because it's a better defensive highlight, it's not
a bad offensive play, you know.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
It's like, well, that's what social media teams do.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
That pass was on target to Courtland Sutton and Certan
flew in there and broke it.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Up or intercepted it or whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Catain making the and then it's certain making a play.
Like what they what the social media teams do is
they try to highlight the player making the play and
not the mistake. You know, they try not have to
put their starters. Even then it can be, you know,
a great play beats a good play. You know, I've
seen those on social media. This is just like a
terrible throw by over the middle Jalen Hurts and quinnya
(29:57):
On Mitchell has just happens to be, you know, and
it's right.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
On wait, I'm gonna stop both of you guys, right
because I saw the play and social media. Yes, you
want the team to somehow uplift the offense, and he's
always uplift the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
No, the team lift the players start.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I get that.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Who if somebody's making it, you don't if somebody, let's
say Jayla Wattle scores a long touchdown, you don't highlight
the guy falling down on the play. You just you
track the player making a catch and you go from there.
You edit that out, and that's what you edit out,
the bad part case.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
So on this play, the Eagles defender made a great
grab the ball inches off the ground right, and when
you look at Jalen Hurts when he drops back, he
looks to his left right, And for me, the coaching
point is that you're looking to where you want to
throw the ball entirely too long. You got to bring
(30:54):
multiple defenders in that window. If you know that you're
trying to throw that twelve yard dig, look to the
right and come back to that play let. So when
I look at it from my perspective, he wasn't throwing
to a receiver per se. He was thrown to a spot.
His receiver was beaten to that spot by the defender.
(31:16):
Because once again, the coaching point for Jalen Hurts to say,
hey man, you got to come off of that play.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Don't don't look at the entire way. And it happens
to young guys, and it happens.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
To veteran guys because you're telegraphing where you're going to
throw it. But I get what you're saying. It's like
because that's your starting quarterback. There's been a lot of
controversial conversation and.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
Dialogue between he and you know, his.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Wide receivers now with the Patriots right Aj Brown, So
it's like, oh, look.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
At you, laughing at you, this is why A J.
Brown left.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
But it's a super It's also it's also a super
weird deal because the whole angle is is a tight
shot on the quarterback the whole time. You never even
you never even like Quitta Mitchell's in that video for
two seconds, Like if it was me, I would get
the angle that has the corner in it and watch,
you know, and have him going over and making the
interception up off the ground, showing the quarterback because what's
the point.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Well for me, I would I would go with a
wide verdic who look so you can see where the
wide receiver is coming from, because that tells you more
about what the route was supposed to be opposed to
what the ending product was.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So obviously a lot.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Of people are going to criticize Jalen Hurts, but I
see this an entirely different way from everyone else.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
No, I I'm just saying, like, I don't have any
problems show interceptions, show guys making plays.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I'm all for it, but show them what you need
you need.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
The editor's version is that you need to why the why,
just like show the CAD screen.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
The corner is in that video for a second and
a half, right, like there's six seconds of Jalen Hurt's
making a stupid looking throw and then like a brief
snippet of Quentin and Mitchell making the interception of like,
just show the interception.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
I was running the board for us, but I saw
about seven tweets on Saturday talking about that Pat Bryant
catch being the play at Camp.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
I guarantee you the Broncos have.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Film of it.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Why haven't they tweeted it out like they've tweeted out
other highlights. I would bet it's because they didn't want
the cornerback or cornerbacks or safety or whatever who got
quote unquote moss or dunked on or whatever on that
play to face any.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Social media jokes, because guess what if it happens in
the game, guess what we all saw it. This is
a social media status quo on both sides.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Put it out there for everyone.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
We'll find out what Parker Gabriel thinks about that when
we come back those countries tonight.
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