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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Broncos Country Tonight, short show, post-Rockies edition. Benjamin Albright,
Nick Ferguson here with you. Programming note, we'll have a
full show tomorrow night, Wednesday night.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
And then Thursday night, we've got CBUS football.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, but we will be on, though.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We will be on after CBUS football. But we've got
CBUS football on KOA. We'll be on after that. And then,
I believe, let me double check and make sure. Am
I right on that? I thought.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I... Wait a minute, I thought we would actually be
on during the game.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
No, I think the game is on.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Check, check.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I'm looking right now. See you football, 4 p.m. pregame,
6 p.m.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Game.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
We're on after the game. I'm looking at the text
message right now.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
And then Friday, Ryan is off, so you and I
will be doing KOA Sports.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
All right, that should be exciting.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
So anybody programming, no. Yeah. Tomorrow we have a full show. Tomorrow, actually,
I'll be doing a full day. I'm on with Ryan
on KOA and then on with us. So that's going
to be, I'm going to be talked out.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
By the time. That's why they pay you the big bucks.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Chad, they do not pay me the big bucks. It
was funny. Somebody put out the thread the other day
of what people make and list what you make in sports.
And I'm like, man, this is embarrassing. how little money
you make doing this. So, I mean, you know, I
could complain. You know what? Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It's funny that you say that because once upon a time,
USA Today used to actually put players' salaries of all
32 teams, all the players in the USA Today. And
I thought that was so, I thought it was so
criminal because you're putting out, putting this information out there.
(01:42):
And there are so many vultures that can take advantage
of it. And oh, by the way, as a young player,
I experienced this. Puffy used to have a restaurant in Atlanta, Justin's.
If you were an entertainer, athlete, whatever, everyone and their
mama was there. I just happened to be going to
the restroom at the same time. As these two attractive
(02:04):
young ladies were going to the restaurant.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Pure coincidence you didn't follow them in or anything.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
No, no, I did not.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Who did you say I was with in this restaurant again?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Who owned it again? You heard me. I said Puffy.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
It was a dinner party?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
There's no baby oil involved in this. No baby oil.
But just so happens, by chance, I'm going to the
restroom the same time they're going. And guess what one
of the young ladies had in their hand? a usa
today newspaper no guess what players salaries and they were
talking about players who were in the restaurant and what
(02:39):
they were making that terrified me about relationships ben terrified
yeah um yeah i mean these.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Women they do some of them you know we make
fun of the deja love thing which by the way
the memes are great i don't know if you've seen
it they put they set the theme to full house
um it was yeah it's it's ridiculous um So yeah, I, it's, um,
I don't know, but there are, it's funny. Cause LeSean
McCoy said, you know, came out with some of the stage.
(03:08):
I love thing. And he was like, I'm just, he's
just hitting back at the scammers, man. These women be
trying to scam us, trying to try to get our money.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well, you know, you know, what's interesting. I was having
a conversation with Ryan Edwards today and I was explaining
that to him. I said, well, Twitter is, is kind
of divided on this issue. There's a section that they're
mad at him from, uh, his fraudulent activities and pretending
to be a guy in the NFL and taking money
(03:36):
from women. But then there's another section of the Twitter population,
obviously men who were saying, Hey, did he not like
even the playing skills? Because you say that, Women sometimes
scam dudes. And Ryan was like, come on, Nick. I mean,
that's not even true. I said, that's not me, Ryan.
This is other guys saying this. I'm only communicating with
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that dude.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
This is LeSean McCoy, former player.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Because guys are figuring that as though, well, guys have
been scammed for years. right so why not have a
guy just taking advantage of it this time the roles
in other ways have been reversed.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I mean what he did was illegal so he is
gonna go to prison but other than that well listen
i i i know of some guys i'll never say their.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Name uh have been in a situation like this could
you imagine thinking that you have fathered a child for
a certain amount of years, only to find out, not yours. Yep.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Always get that. Always get that data.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
It is absolutely fraud.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Okay. And if you were a player, you should take
that woman to court for unjust enrichment.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Well, I mean, you can make an attempt, but the
way that the laws work in society... People look at
it different.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I'm looking at it like you just stole my, you know,
I'm looking at it like ODB did.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yes. That's mine.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I'm just saying, you know, I, yeah, I, I, I'd
have a problem with that, but I don't want to
get too much. We already did the Dejan Love thing.
I don't get back into it. Now it's everywhere. Like there's,
there's non-sports podcasts even covering that now. Because it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I mean, it's, it's, and it's hilarious. Like if you
watch those videos, like man, that man never played a
minute of ball in his life. Some of these videos,
like the videos that he's doing or whatever, you're just like,
what fake drill is this?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Listen, man, the whole thing, this is going to inspire
other people.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
To go get a fake 49ers helmet?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Not to get a fake 49ers.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And take it everywhere?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
No, no, no, because it's been done already to think
about other fraudulent activities. Because here's what we do know.
Some people don't really want to work for things and
they want to scam other people because they figure, okay, well,
let someone else make the money and I get the
money for free. You know, come on, let's be totally honest.
(05:53):
There's a bunch of scammers in our society, period. Let's
be totally honest, right? And no one has ever, to
my knowledge, thought about taking things to this point from
an athletic standpoint or fake professional athlete standpoint, so.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Who knows, man? Be careful out there.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, be careful. That's the best advice we can give.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Be careful out there.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
We talked a little bit about, you know, you and
I have talked before about what it's like to go
through the process, go through roster cutdowns. And you've been
both sides of that.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
You know, as far as that kind of stuff goes.
But one angle we haven't talked about is what it's
like to come back to that locker room after you've got,
you know, you're in, right? Or at least you're in
right immediately because that first 53 ain't the final 53.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
You're in. Is there, I mean, obviously there's elation that
you made it, but is there also like survivor's guilt
that some of your boys didn't make it?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
No.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Believe them. They couldn't hack it. No, it's not a
group of scrubs.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
But you've seen the movie Hunger Games, right?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I've actually never watched the Hunger Games or read the books.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Really? Yep. Okay. So go back and just kind of
get a quick synopsis of it because it's survival of
the fittest. And even though you build a lot of
these core relationships during the, off-season, the off-season training, the
strength and conditioning program, OTAs, and minicamp, you know walking in,
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not everyone's going to make it, right? I mean, it's
almost like, okay, there are a lot of these fictitious
military movies, right, that come out. You know, like a
lot of these, not everyone's going to make it in
that type of sense. So from that vantage point or
that viewpoint of, You look around the locker room and
(07:43):
you say, well, not everyone's going to make it. Now,
if you are a veteran player and you know that
your position was solidified, like a Jairus did them, you're
not really concerned. You don't really have that issue. I mean,
you go through training camp relaxed as hell because you
know you're not going to be one of those guys. Now,
if you're one of those guys like a Michael Bandy,
(08:05):
you know, for that matter, you're stressing. You're looking around
the room worried. And you're thinking because when I play,
they would have like three cut periods. Now in the NFL,
it's one.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
It's a free for all.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
It's one. And when you walk back in the locker room,
you look around and you go like, man, this locker
room was filled with guys. And my dude, I mean,
we used to go hang out all the time. He's
not here. He's not even in the building. He's not
in the running back room anymore. Like a Jaleel McLaughlin,
who a lot of fans loved him. They loved his story.
(08:41):
Went from sleeping in his car to leading the NCAA
and rushing and being on the Broncos roster. He was
early morning riser, late guy to leave. Fans kind of
gravitate towards him because that was kind of the blue
collar attitude. Now you go in the room, if you
are Jonah Coleman or you or R.J. Harvey, he's not
(09:05):
in that room. You saw him as the elder statesman
in the room.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Now he's gone.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Now there's a little reality that comes like, wow, man,
you can get it at any time. That's the thing
that's really shocking. But you walk in there, it's a
different air band. It feels a little cold. But you
start to realize for the first time what this business
truly is. And you too, at some point, could be
(09:31):
in that same situation. So it is a little difficult.
It's a little trying period as you try to work
through that process the first couple of days. And then
I'll have to say, man, by day three, you got
to move on.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah. How does that stuff linger? Is there any lingering,
you know, any of that kind of stuff? Or is
everybody just like how quickly in your experience do people
get focused back on? Hey, this is the mission we
got to get going versus. on the flip side of that.
You got cut. You know, what do you what's that like?
So let's start with the you made it. You know,
how quickly does that that 53 get focused on? This
(10:09):
is the mission for this year.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Well, immediately, like once they make all the cuts and
they have guys back in the room that fought that.
that next day or sometime even that same day because
they may have meetings because they need to have everyone
in the building so they don't have to go search
for you to catch you. So immediately after that, there
is somewhat of a team meeting and the head coach
gets up in front of the room and basically he says, okay, well,
(10:35):
now we're started. The season is now fully started. We've
gone through the cuts or whatever. Look around the room.
This is the room that we're going to go to
battle with. Now, even though they say that, That's not
entirely true. Because if you're one of the guys who
made it onto the practice squad, there's no guarantee that
you're going to be there in that two-week period by
(10:57):
the time the Broncos fly to Kansas City to play
week one.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Because the Broncos can make some other changes. So your
stay may be temporary, right? So you're still nervous. You're
still cautious if you're one of those guys that still
at that point is a bubble guy. So for everyone else,
they've already moved on, started to move on as far
as the preparation for week one, and that's against Kansas City.
(11:23):
You think that you're making that progress, getting prepared to
be on the scout team, but guess what? You're on
the scout team this Friday. By next Monday, you may
not be. So it's still a nervous energy, Ben, and
I have to tell you, I've been in that situation before.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It is.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
It's not a good place to be because you get
real excited about the fact that I made it. Now
you're thinking, shoot, how long have I made it for?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
So there's still that foot on the, you know, right
behind you. Okay. On the other side of that, let's say,
you know, the Turk finds you, you got to bring
the playbook in. You know how it is. You talk
to the coach or GM or whoever's, you know, giving
you the last, your exit interview, as it were. How
quickly are you on the phone with your agent trying
to move forward or find something else?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Usually it's quick. Obviously, by the time you get released,
your agent already knows. He's trying to find teams, but
it starts off a little muddy because these other teams
are trying to finalize their roster. And some teams look
within as far as saying, okay, well, we're going to
cut some of these guys, but we're going to bring
(12:33):
them back on practice squad. But you hope that maybe
you play well enough during the preseason that Maybe you
made an impression on those guys and they had you
on their board maybe the year before and they just
couldn't get you. And they still would love to have you.
And I have to tell you, man, that's a tough
position to be in. You know what? Let me put
(12:54):
it to you this way. It's like being in a
relationship and being caught in the maybe.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Does she really like me?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Am I going to move further with this relationship? Or
being in a situation where you don't want to be
the first one to say I love you first because
if you do, you know, and that person doesn't return it.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Balance of power.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
It is, and that's where you find yourself. And I
always tell young players, man, I mean, obviously you're not
as committed to that team as they're willing to pay
you a salary. After that, man, it's a free-for-all. So
approach it in that way. But it is an emotional
rollercoaster because if you're one of those guys that you're
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always unsure, they've been always unsure about you, it makes
it really difficult. And I ask you, just think about it.
If you were in that situation where you wanted something
so badly, right, you were willing to sacrifice everything that
you had only to find out that, you know what,
someone has made a decision that they didn't want you,
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and the reason they didn't want you isn't one that
they can actually verbalize and tell you, This is the reason,
because when players sit in front of maybe a GM
or a coach, you don't always get the truth as
to why they're releasing you. Imagine being in that situation.
And how would you deal with that? How would you
deal with that?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I'm one of those like, failure is the beginning. Failure
is just starting for it, not an end point for me.
There's two kinds of people, I think, in this world.
Failure is the end point for them, and failure is
the beginning point for them. And for me, failure is
the beginning point. I'm one of those people who like, Oh,
you don't want me? All right, I'm going to go
find somebody who does, and then I'm going to run
it up on you.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Like, I'm that guy. And so that's, I can, like,
it would, it'd hurt for about 10 seconds, and then
I'm going to get mad, you know? And then I'm like, oh,
you don't want me? Okay, all right. Well, let's go
find somebody who does, and let's go win then. You
ain't about winning, you know?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
But, Z, that's the thing, man. It stings for a
little longer than that. 10 seconds.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Probably. And I'm being hyperbolic with that. You know, you're
going to sit there crushed in that meeting, you know,
and then you're going to be crushed where you got
to go back to your family and say, Hey.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
You know, that is the part that sucks the most. Yeah.
You have to tell them like, Hey, uh, it didn't
happen for me, but I love the idea that you
have because that was my mentality.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Oh, you cut me? Okay, fine. If I get on
another team, I hope we play you. Because guess what?
I hope we play.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
You twice a year. Three times. I hope you make
the playoffs and I knock you out. Like that kind
of stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
That has to be the mentality. But it is tough
for the players to try to adapt to what's going on.
But in the case of the Broncos quarterback's room, they
don't have to do that. They kept the game together.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Right? They could go on vacation together.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Well, the Broncos kept the whole team together pretty much. Yes.
I mean, you know, Jaleel's in Cleveland now in their
practice squad, Joe McLaughlin. John Franklin Myers, of course, signed with,
was it Tennessee during this offseason? Basically, everybody else is back.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
What do you think Joe Lee's going to land?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
He's in Miami.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Okay. That's right. He's in Miami. So what do you
think he's going to do in Miami? Because we saw
very little of him here in Denver?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I struggle to pick the playbook up here. You know,
I mean, maybe if he gets a whole year down
there in Miami and the practice squad gets to soak
it up, you know, and Dulcich isn't that different from him,
maybe something happens there. But, you know, I don't know.
I don't– I was not– like, I was not as
keen on him as everybody else was when we got him.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I'm like, we already got an off-the-line line who doesn't
block and, you know, an Evan Ingram. I don't know
why we need a rookie to do that, too, you know,
to not do that, too. So– You know, I don't know.
I wish him nothing but the best, but I'm not
I'm not as, you know, thinking that that's that's some big, great,
big loss for the Broncos or anything. I don't know.
We can get more into that here. Just say we
got a break. Let's get more that we come back.
Broncos country tonight. Welcome back to the Broncos country tonight.
(16:53):
Benjamin Albright, Nick Ferguson, short show post Rockies edition. We'll
have a full show tomorrow. We've got CU Buffs football
on Thursday. Who are they playing? Georgia Tech, I believe.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Did you see that quote from Coach Prime? He's like,
thank God they got rid of that quarterback. That dude
just refused to lose. Talking about Haynes King.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Hey, listen, really quickly. Last year when Georgia Tech went
to Boulder, dude, they ran up the yard as far
as rushing. And that's something that CU could not really
slow down. and listen they have justice haynes um and
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they're gonna and malachi hosley they're gonna do the same
thing this game that's the idea run up the score
or at least try to run up the score but
they're gonna try to do it leading with the run
game and test cu to see how well they'd hate
they've improved up front.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah it's gonna be that's gonna be a fun game
uh to to watch i think um It's going to
be interesting to see Brendan Marion unveil his go-go offense,
I think, for the first time to see bus fans.
And I hope you guys like this. This could be
something different than what you're used to. It's a power
rushing attack with a lot of exotic looks. They love
to get the deep shot play. Well, I mean, how
often do you see a sidecar, right? How often do
you see a quarterback in the gun with two backs
(18:13):
both offset to the right?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
No, you don't. You know what? The first thing that
came to mind is old school Oklahoma with Jamil Holloway
at the quarterback position. So with that, you can use
two running backs, getting them out on the perimeter, running
the ball. You can also do sprint out as well.
And you can be real creative with like an option
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type play action. So it's going to be interesting to
see what this rendition of Brendan Marion's offense looked like
at CU. But it's also going to be interesting to
see how Georgia Tech defends it.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's going to be, that'll be a fun game.
We'll get a chance to talk a little bit about
that before we hit the break. We're talking about Justin
Jolie and we'll get your thoughts on that. Cause I
think everybody I talked to, um, internally was like, man,
you know, he's just, he's, he's a big wide receiver
trying to play tight end. Doesn't really block well, um,
and struggle to pick up the playbook. Uh, I saw
a bunch of stuff out there on Twitter talking about
(19:09):
fights and all that nonsense. I don't know where that
came from, but, um, I will say the reason that he,
you know, he's not here is, I mean, you know,
he's kind of redundant with Evan Ingram's skill set. And oh,
by the way, you know, as a guy, rookie, he
struggled to pick up the playbook.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
A little bit. Okay, Ben. Yeah, I've heard that idea
of struggling to pick up the playbook. So for me,
I go back to the pre-draft process. When you are
talking to people who have coached Jolie and you're trying
to figure out, okay, well, what's his makeup, right? We
know he is a flex open type of tight end, right?
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And he's not an inline blogger. So you know that.
So you try to figure out from his coaches, how
difficult was it for him to pick up a system?
Because you know, Sean Payton's system is very robust and
it's very wordy. And even Caleb Loner didn't really, you know,
do anything in his first year. And he was just
kind of you know, reduced to being on the practice squad.
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But the idea is that if you know that a
player is somewhat struggling, even though I know, you know,
Jolie wasn't a high-round draft choice, but you see a
lot of qualities in him that you want to utilize,
don't you think that you will spend a little more
time with him to make sure that he understands... the playbook,
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you know, understands the nuances. And I know it is
the NFL. We don't have time to wait for you.
But if you felt as though this kid had some
real ability that can help the Broncos, because let's be
totally honest, the Broncos had a lot of tight ends.
They're trying to use a multitude of different tight ends
and trying to mold them into one guy. Right. So
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knowing that it's like, okay, we know the guy has
a little bit of skillset and he's struggling with this
aspect of the game. Let's kind of give him some
extra time, right? Now, Jolie has to work himself to
make sure that he understands the plays because it's his
profession of football. But at the same time, is there
a coaching responsibility to help him along?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, I mean, I believe that there is. I just
also think that in the NFL, like you don't have
time in a lot of cases to do. You got,
I mean, with a guy like Jolie, a rookie, you
probably do. You probably got a year, right? Fifth round
draft pick. If you can sneak him back to the
practice squad, you probably do. Now, in this case, they didn't. Obviously,
the Miami picked him up off waivers. But there is
(21:27):
some of that. But this goes back to a bigger argument,
I think, that I've been having online lately, which is
if you're a quarterback and you're not guaranteed to be
the top pick, go back to school. Take the NIL money.
Get the reps.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Oh, wait, wait, wait. You're in favor. You're waving the
flag for going back.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Go back. Stay in school. If you're a quarterback and
you're not guaranteed to be the top pick, stay in school.
Because odds are pretty good. You're going to flame out.
If you're an underclassman with eligibility left, odds are pretty good.
You're not going to. Look at J.J. McCarthy. Like, you're
not going to get time to get those right. You're
just not going to get them.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
But it's hard, Ben, when everyone is kind of patting
you on the back and putting you on the pedestal.
And we know how the league works. If you're a
young quarterback and you're coming out of college, and people
are telling you, hey, listen, you have the possibility of
being the top pick in the next draft. And we've
seen it. Because all the conversation at draft, leading up
(22:19):
to the draft, and the draft itself, is about one position.
It's a quarterback position. And all these guys have dreams
and aspirations of getting to the pros, but the idea
is that Things have changed. It's not to a point
where now you have to rush because, hell, we got
NFL guys trying to go back to college now.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Oh, my God, yeah. And by the way, the LSU video,
I think you sent it to me. That was hilarious.
But I'm sad. And I got into an argument with
these people, and they're like, no, they should jump out
and take the money. I'm like, the money's still going
to be there, right? The money's going to come back.
They could lower their stock or whatever. I'm like, man,
I mean, you could lower your stock but wind up
in a better situation, right?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, because we know. It changes as far as teams out,
teams in, because it reminds me of when Matt Leiner
was at USC, and everyone was trying to tell him
to come back, and he already won two national titles.
Then he decided, you know what? I want to go
for the three-peat. He came back. They lost to Vince
Young and Texas. He ended up being drafted by Arizona.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Terrible situation. Right. Which, it's funny because Denver and Mike
Shanahan wanted him. Shanahan would have drafted him if Arizona
hadn't gotten him there. And then Denver wound up with Cutler,
who wound up being the best of three.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
But who knows?
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Leiter might have been something under Mike Shanahan. So a
lot of that is situation-dependent, too. But get the reps.
There's no substitute for reps. None. Zero. There's no substitute
at the quarterback position for reps. And when you get
these guys who come into the league that are woefully unprepared,
Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah. Go back to school, bro. He's still on the
coach's roster, though.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I mean, yeah. Barely. But come on, man. He's not
in their plans, really. Daniel Jones is the guy. Yeah.
You know, I mean, he's an insurance policy at this point,
and that's assuming he doesn't check himself out if he
gets winded. I just said, like, J.J. McCarthy, same thing. Like,
these underclassmen that are coming out, and it's not like
it used to be. The old school thinking back in
the day, like when Matt Stafford came out, right? That's
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before the rookie cap on contracts. and you wanted to
get in the league as quick as possible because you
were going to get plenty of time, right? It's a
different world now. Coaches get fired in one and two
years now. It's a different world than it was when
Stafford came out when you got three years. Like, you
were a coach, you got three years, right?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Okay, but how much of that is on the player?
Because I think there's a little, I mean, you put
a little onus on the player. How much does that
say about the evaluation process?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I think it's about the prep process. The evaluation process,
you're looking for tools and traits and all that kind
of stuff, but at the end of the day, you
don't have time to build a guy if you're a
coach anymore. You get one quarterback, it'll be a rookie,
and if you get him in your first year as
a coach, that's what you're going to get. You try
to draft a guy, like look at Dable. Dable drafted Jackson.
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Darden didn't save him, and Darden looked like he could
be something. It couldn't save him.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Steve Wilkes... Took over a losing team.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, well, Steve, that's a little different. You get one
year sometimes.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
He drafted Josh Rosen in the first round because the
team was that awful. And he didn't even get a
second year.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, he didn't get a second. That's what I'm saying.
In the NFL, sometimes Nate Hackett didn't get a second year.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
But that's different, though. Hackett had already been on the
Packers for a while.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah, I mean, Wilkes had been around a while.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, but Steve Wilkes was in a very tough situation.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Well, anybody who goes to Arizona is in a tough situation.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
It's like Arizona is the Cleveland. Kind of.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
It's the Cleveland NFC.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Right? But I'm just saying, like, I get what the
point you're trying to make, though, but it's making my
point for me. Like, David Culley got one year. There's
a lot of coaches. You get one year.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It's coaching in the.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
NFL now is a year-to-year enterprise.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
But I think I go back to some places in
college football. They do a great job in preparing players.
quarterbacks for the next level but other schools they they
don't they don't there's no preparation because a lot of
these guys come out ill-prepared to play the nfo game
because everything is shotgun well right.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
One of the worst guys who was a winner in
college but terrible at prepping quarterbacks for the nfl urban
meyer yeah you know i mean alex smith it took
him like six years to get it in the league
right that was one of urban meyer's first guys then
you had Tim Tebow, who, you know, stank.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
He needed the reps.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
He needed to learn how to play the position or
switch positions. And you go back to those Ohio State quarterbacks,
how they flamed out.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Like, college football isn't about preparing quarterbacks to play in
the pros anymore in a lot of cases. It's trying
to win at the college level. And all of you
are right. They're in the gun. They're in the spread,
which the NFL has adopted some of that stuff, to
be fair. but it's still like in college, you get
the wider hash marks. You can create stuff for playmakers.
I mean, it's just, you know, it's just a different game.
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And so you've got all these guys that come to
the league and they aren't prepared to play. You get
as many reps as you can. So you can at
least read coverages and diagnose stuff and be better.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Mentally ready for it. That is not, they're not even
doing that on the high school level to even prepare
those guys to make the jump to college football. And yeah,
They're not preparing the guys on the collegiate level because
at that point, all the coaches thinking about, hey, listen,
do I have a quarterback that's athletic enough to be
able to move in the pocket, extend plays, and can
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we win games with it?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Right?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Because I go back to, you know, Vince Young. Yeah.
He was just a do-everything guy in Texas football, right?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Well, they were trying to position change him. Remember, they
were trying to corner, I think, Baylor?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Florida State wanted him to play wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
But he was just like, no, no. And a lot
of teams wanted him to play wide receiver. I think
it was only, you know, Meck Brown in Texas that said, hey, listen,
we're going to let you play this quarterback position. But
he thought that he can do the same thing he
did in high school on the collegiate level, and he struggled.
I mean, he kind of, you know, fine to a
couple of things, won a national title, beat USC. And
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then when he got to the pros, it was almost
like it was starting over all over again. And he
didn't know how to adjust. And that's where I feel
as though college doesn't prepare guys for that. They need
to prepare guys for what they're going to get to
in the second level. Like even with Bo, Bo at Oregon,
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like most quarterbacks, played a lot of his plays in
maybe 80% in shotgun. And if you look at the
Broncos now, it's kind of the same duplication of it.
This is why I'm hoping with Davis Webb now calling plays,
we see some nuance to what they're doing with Bo
and they're putting him under center because for me, it
helps with foot mechanics. And this is where we see
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a lot of quarterback struggle.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, the Vince Young thing, man, I remember watching that
Rose Bowl. I was like, this is the most exciting
football game for two quarterbacks that are never going to
make an impact in the league. You know, like watch it.
Cause I was like, Vince, Vince young is, he can't
throw the ball at an NFL caliber level yet. And
he's not going to get the time in the, in
the pros. I didn't know he's going to go to
Tennessee at the time, but I was like, he's not
going to get the time to become that. And then
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on the flip side of that, you had, you know,
you had liner who was, you know, pretty limited in
what he was, you know, as I said, typical mid
round backup type guy that, you know, the Shanahan's tend
to love and turn into something, look at Purdy or
cousins or whatever. Who's cerebral, but not really, you know,
a toolsy guy. It, would it shock you? If I
asked you how many times in his six playing seasons
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that he was in the league, how many times Vince
Young threw more than 12 touchdowns?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I would, in a single season.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
In a single season. He had, he played six seasons.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I would say either zero to one.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Zero. He scored, he threw 12 touchdowns his rookie season,
never touched that mark again. He got 10 touchdowns twice
a couple of years later.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Now he ran for some touchdowns, obviously, and I don't
want to discredit, I don't want to discredit that, but he, um, yeah,
he did not throw for, he only ran for 12
touchdowns over his career. He too, but he, he like,
he did not, he just didn't score. Now that team,
they won a lot of games. Vince Young and the pros, um,
they won a lot of games. I think his record
as a starter was, was it 31 and 19, 31
(30:15):
and 20, something like that. So he won a lot
of games. Uh, but he was also on teams that
had good defenses and a kicker, uh, and Robert almost
that could hit from anywhere. And so that, you know,
all you do is get them in position, wear them
down and use legs at the end of the game
and that kind of stuff. Um, And maybe he could
have been something else. Like Vince Young was born 10
years too soon. He comes out 10 years later, probably
(30:37):
with today's offenses, he's probably looking a little bit different.
Look at what Lamar is now.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
You know, kind of thing. The relationship, Yeah. With your coach. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Oh, that's sunk. I mean, him and Jeff Fisher, like, yeah,
that was a thing. I guess he, he, it was
that quote. He sent Jeff Fisher a thank you note
or a birthday card or something. He misspelled his name.
And then Jeff Fisher's didn't write him back.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah. You can't do that.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah. And I was like, man. But yeah, it's, I mean,
so much of that, there's, there's a lot that goes
into that, but the flip side of that is, and
this goes back to the, again, you can make money.
You can make it. If you're a quarterback who's even
considered being drafted, you're making 5 million a year in
an IL money.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Stay in school. Take the cash.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
The NFL money's always going to be there.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
But it's just a lure of saying that now you're
in the league now because that carries a significant amount
of weight because so many kids at whatever position go
to college football because they want to live out their
dreams of being a professional and trying to get there
as quickly as possible. They're looking at to.
(31:41):
From this standpoint, how quickly can I make my mark
on a pro level as I did on the collegiate level?
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah. But I mean, like, again, if you're, if you can,
Bo Nix is the perfect example of this, right? He
kept going back and getting reps. Bo was the super
duper senior. He's 20, whatever, when he came out, 24
and some change, almost 25 when he came out. It
used to be the thought process was you get older
than 21 years old, 22 years old. Um, and, and
so you would think that, um, that the guy was
(32:08):
maxed out, right? They started getting to 23 years old.
You're like, this guy's maxed out. I don't want to,
you know, so you drop him. Now it's the opposite.
They come out too early and you're like, I don't know.
Look at the guys like Sam Darnold, right? Sam Darnold
didn't start having success until much, much later. He came
out super early. Didn't have, you know, the whole Jets thing,
the Panthers thing. Took him to get to the Niners
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before he finally got settled. He got a little bit
with the Vikings. Finally, these guys who are young coming out, man,
these coaches just don't have the time to invest and
to turn them into what they need to be. And
if you're not, there's going to be the next coaching staff.
They're not invested in you, so they're going to punt
on you.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
But see, Ben, that's where I think the trouble starts.
If you're going to invest in a quarterback in the
first round, no matter who the player is, and you
talk about Sam Darnold in this situation, you are tied
to that guy. So you have to be dedicated. From
the moment you draft that guy, we're going to do
everything within our power to build a team around him.
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similar to what he experienced wherever the team was, he
was in college football. Try to get some of those players,
run the same scheme, do anything to make that guy
comfortable because you've already pushed all your chips to the
center of the table. But a lot of teams don't
do that. They think, okay, well, we're going to draft
a guy in the first round of the quarterback position,
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and then all of a sudden he's going to resurrect
by himself our franchise, a franchise that obviously if you're
drafting in the top 10 or the top five and
you draft in the quarterback, obviously your team hasn't been
that well. I mean, Look at the Arizona Cardinals, for one.
But also, look at the Cleveland Browns. They've mastered that art.
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So you have to be willing to go all in
on this guy if you have him for three years
or four years.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I think the best example is the Bills when they
drafted Josh Allen, right?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
They knew they were going to stink for two years.
They were just going to build everything around him and
do that kind of thing. And that's the example, I think,
the modern example of doing it right, the right way.
And the Browns, yeah, they tend to be the example
of how to do it exactly wrong. I can't remember
how many quarterbacks they've been through. The guy with the
duct tape jersey thing, that's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
It's like 21 guys.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, that was pretty funny. Real quick, some breaking news
from earlier today. Stan Kroenke buying the Angels.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Man.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Nice money if you got it, right?
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Well, apparently.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I guess he got jealous of the Penners getting involved
in the Rockies. Maybe.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
They're in the same family anyway.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Jealousy. You know how it is between billionaires, though. Jealousy.
My toys are bigger than your toys.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Well, if he can do with the Angels what he's
did with the teams here that he owns, the Avalanche.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Think about the Nuggets and then with the Rams.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
More power to them. Amen. We got it in a break.
Broncos country tonight.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Back after this.
Welcome to Broncos Country Tonight, short show, post-Rockies edition. Benjamin Albright,
Nick Ferguson here with you. Programming note, we'll have a
full show tomorrow night, Wednesday night.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
And then Thursday night, we've got CBUS football.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, but we will be on, though.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
We will be on after CBUS football. But we've got
CBUS football on KOA. We'll be on after that. And then,
I believe, let me double check and make sure. Am
I right on that? I thought.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I... Wait a minute, I thought we would actually be
on during the game.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
No, I think the game is on.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Check, check.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I'm looking right now. See you football, 4 p.m. pregame,
6 p.m.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Game.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
We're on after the game. I'm looking at the text
message right now.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
And then Friday, Ryan is off, so you and I
will be doing KOA Sports.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
All right, that should be exciting.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
So anybody programming, no. Yeah. Tomorrow we have a full show. Tomorrow, actually,
I'll be doing a full day. I'm on with Ryan
on KOA and then on with us. So that's going
to be, I'm going to be talked out.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
By the time. That's why they pay you the big bucks.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Chad, they do not pay me the big bucks. It
was funny. Somebody put out the thread the other day
of what people make and list what you make in sports.
And I'm like, man, this is embarrassing. how little money
you make doing this. So, I mean, you know, I
could complain. You know what? Okay.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It's funny that you say that because once upon a time,
USA Today used to actually put players' salaries of all
32 teams, all the players in the USA Today. And
I thought that was so, I thought it was so
criminal because you're putting out, putting this information out there.
(01:42):
And there are so many vultures that can take advantage
of it. And oh, by the way, as a young player,
I experienced this. Puffy used to have a restaurant in Atlanta, Justin's.
If you were an entertainer, athlete, whatever, everyone and their
mama was there. I just happened to be going to
the restroom at the same time. As these two attractive
(02:04):
young ladies were going to the restaurant.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Pure coincidence you didn't follow them in or anything.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
No, no, I did not.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Who did you say I was with in this restaurant again?
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Who owned it again? You heard me. I said Puffy.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
It was a dinner party?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
There's no baby oil involved in this. No baby oil.
But just so happens, by chance, I'm going to the
restroom the same time they're going. And guess what one
of the young ladies had in their hand? a usa
today newspaper no guess what players salaries and they were
talking about players who were in the restaurant and what
(02:39):
they were making that terrified me about relationships ben terrified
yeah um yeah i mean these.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Women they do some of them you know we make
fun of the deja love thing which by the way
the memes are great i don't know if you've seen
it they put they set the theme to full house
um it was yeah it's it's ridiculous um So yeah, I, it's, um,
I don't know, but there are, it's funny. Cause LeSean
McCoy said, you know, came out with some of the stage.
(03:08):
I love thing. And he was like, I'm just, he's
just hitting back at the scammers, man. These women be
trying to scam us, trying to try to get our money.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Well, you know, you know, what's interesting. I was having
a conversation with Ryan Edwards today and I was explaining
that to him. I said, well, Twitter is, is kind
of divided on this issue. There's a section that they're
mad at him from, uh, his fraudulent activities and pretending
to be a guy in the NFL and taking money
(03:36):
from women. But then there's another section of the Twitter population,
obviously men who were saying, Hey, did he not like
even the playing skills? Because you say that, Women sometimes
scam dudes. And Ryan was like, come on, Nick. I mean,
that's not even true. I said, that's not me, Ryan.
This is other guys saying this. I'm only communicating with
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that dude.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
This is LeSean McCoy, former player.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Because guys are figuring that as though, well, guys have
been scammed for years. right so why not have a
guy just taking advantage of it this time the roles
in other ways have been reversed.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
I mean what he did was illegal so he is
gonna go to prison but other than that well listen
i i i know of some guys i'll never say their.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Name uh have been in a situation like this could
you imagine thinking that you have fathered a child for
a certain amount of years, only to find out, not yours. Yep.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Always get that. Always get that data.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
It is absolutely fraud.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Okay. And if you were a player, you should take
that woman to court for unjust enrichment.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Well, I mean, you can make an attempt, but the
way that the laws work in society... People look at
it different.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I'm looking at it like you just stole my, you know,
I'm looking at it like ODB did.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yes. That's mine.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I'm just saying, you know, I, yeah, I, I, I'd
have a problem with that, but I don't want to
get too much. We already did the Dejan Love thing.
I don't get back into it. Now it's everywhere. Like there's,
there's non-sports podcasts even covering that now. Because it's so ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I mean, it's, it's, and it's hilarious. Like if you
watch those videos, like man, that man never played a
minute of ball in his life. Some of these videos,
like the videos that he's doing or whatever, you're just like,
what fake drill is this?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Listen, man, the whole thing, this is going to inspire
other people.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
To go get a fake 49ers helmet?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Not to get a fake 49ers.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
And take it everywhere?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
No, no, no, because it's been done already to think
about other fraudulent activities. Because here's what we do know.
Some people don't really want to work for things and
they want to scam other people because they figure, okay, well,
let someone else make the money and I get the
money for free. You know, come on, let's be totally honest.
(05:53):
There's a bunch of scammers in our society, period. Let's
be totally honest, right? And no one has ever, to
my knowledge, thought about taking things to this point from
an athletic standpoint or fake professional athlete standpoint, so.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Who knows?
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Who knows, man? Be careful out there.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, be careful. That's the best advice we can give.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Be careful out there.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
We talked a little bit about, you know, you and
I have talked before about what it's like to go
through the process, go through roster cutdowns. And you've been
both sides of that.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
You know, as far as that kind of stuff goes.
But one angle we haven't talked about is what it's
like to come back to that locker room after you've got,
you know, you're in, right? Or at least you're in
right immediately because that first 53 ain't the final 53.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
You're in. Is there, I mean, obviously there's elation that
you made it, but is there also like survivor's guilt
that some of your boys didn't make it?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
No.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Believe them. They couldn't hack it. No, it's not a
group of scrubs.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
But you've seen the movie Hunger Games, right?
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I've actually never watched the Hunger Games or read the books.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Really? Yep. Okay. So go back and just kind of
get a quick synopsis of it because it's survival of
the fittest. And even though you build a lot of
these core relationships during the, off-season, the off-season training, the
strength and conditioning program, OTAs, and minicamp, you know walking in,
(07:22):
not everyone's going to make it, right? I mean, it's
almost like, okay, there are a lot of these fictitious
military movies, right, that come out. You know, like a
lot of these, not everyone's going to make it in
that type of sense. So from that vantage point or
that viewpoint of, You look around the locker room and
(07:43):
you say, well, not everyone's going to make it. Now,
if you are a veteran player and you know that
your position was solidified, like a Jairus did them, you're
not really concerned. You don't really have that issue. I mean,
you go through training camp relaxed as hell because you
know you're not going to be one of those guys. Now,
if you're one of those guys like a Michael Bandy,
(08:05):
you know, for that matter, you're stressing. You're looking around
the room worried. And you're thinking because when I play,
they would have like three cut periods. Now in the NFL,
it's one.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
It's a free for all.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
It's one. And when you walk back in the locker room,
you look around and you go like, man, this locker
room was filled with guys. And my dude, I mean,
we used to go hang out all the time. He's
not here. He's not even in the building. He's not
in the running back room anymore. Like a Jaleel McLaughlin,
who a lot of fans loved him. They loved his story.
(08:41):
Went from sleeping in his car to leading the NCAA
and rushing and being on the Broncos roster. He was
early morning riser, late guy to leave. Fans kind of
gravitate towards him because that was kind of the blue
collar attitude. Now you go in the room, if you
are Jonah Coleman or you or R.J. Harvey, he's not
(09:05):
in that room. You saw him as the elder statesman
in the room.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Now he's gone.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Now there's a little reality that comes like, wow, man,
you can get it at any time. That's the thing
that's really shocking. But you walk in there, it's a
different air band. It feels a little cold. But you
start to realize for the first time what this business
truly is. And you too, at some point, could be
(09:31):
in that same situation. So it is a little difficult.
It's a little trying period as you try to work
through that process the first couple of days. And then
I'll have to say, man, by day three, you got
to move on.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah. How does that stuff linger? Is there any lingering,
you know, any of that kind of stuff? Or is
everybody just like how quickly in your experience do people
get focused back on? Hey, this is the mission we
got to get going versus. on the flip side of that.
You got cut. You know, what do you what's that like?
So let's start with the you made it. You know,
how quickly does that that 53 get focused on? This
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is the mission for this year.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Well, immediately, like once they make all the cuts and
they have guys back in the room that fought that.
that next day or sometime even that same day because
they may have meetings because they need to have everyone
in the building so they don't have to go search
for you to catch you. So immediately after that, there
is somewhat of a team meeting and the head coach
gets up in front of the room and basically he says, okay, well,
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now we're started. The season is now fully started. We've
gone through the cuts or whatever. Look around the room.
This is the room that we're going to go to
battle with. Now, even though they say that, That's not
entirely true. Because if you're one of the guys who
made it onto the practice squad, there's no guarantee that
you're going to be there in that two-week period by
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the time the Broncos fly to Kansas City to play
week one.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Because the Broncos can make some other changes. So your
stay may be temporary, right? So you're still nervous. You're
still cautious if you're one of those guys that still
at that point is a bubble guy. So for everyone else,
they've already moved on, started to move on as far
as the preparation for week one, and that's against Kansas City.
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You think that you're making that progress, getting prepared to
be on the scout team, but guess what? You're on
the scout team this Friday. By next Monday, you may
not be. So it's still a nervous energy, Ben, and
I have to tell you, I've been in that situation before.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
It is.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
It's not a good place to be because you get
real excited about the fact that I made it. Now
you're thinking, shoot, how long have I made it for?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
So there's still that foot on the, you know, right
behind you. Okay. On the other side of that, let's say,
you know, the Turk finds you, you got to bring
the playbook in. You know how it is. You talk
to the coach or GM or whoever's, you know, giving
you the last, your exit interview, as it were. How
quickly are you on the phone with your agent trying
to move forward or find something else?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Usually it's quick. Obviously, by the time you get released,
your agent already knows. He's trying to find teams, but
it starts off a little muddy because these other teams
are trying to finalize their roster. And some teams look
within as far as saying, okay, well, we're going to
cut some of these guys, but we're going to bring
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them back on practice squad. But you hope that maybe
you play well enough during the preseason that Maybe you
made an impression on those guys and they had you
on their board maybe the year before and they just
couldn't get you. And they still would love to have you.
And I have to tell you, man, that's a tough
position to be in. You know what? Let me put
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it to you this way. It's like being in a
relationship and being caught in the maybe.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Does she really like me?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Am I going to move further with this relationship? Or
being in a situation where you don't want to be
the first one to say I love you first because
if you do, you know, and that person doesn't return it.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Balance of power.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
It is, and that's where you find yourself. And I
always tell young players, man, I mean, obviously you're not
as committed to that team as they're willing to pay
you a salary. After that, man, it's a free-for-all. So
approach it in that way. But it is an emotional
rollercoaster because if you're one of those guys that you're
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always unsure, they've been always unsure about you, it makes
it really difficult. And I ask you, just think about it.
If you were in that situation where you wanted something
so badly, right, you were willing to sacrifice everything that
you had only to find out that, you know what,
someone has made a decision that they didn't want you,
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and the reason they didn't want you isn't one that
they can actually verbalize and tell you, This is the reason,
because when players sit in front of maybe a GM
or a coach, you don't always get the truth as
to why they're releasing you. Imagine being in that situation.
And how would you deal with that? How would you
deal with that?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I'm one of those like, failure is the beginning. Failure
is just starting for it, not an end point for me.
There's two kinds of people, I think, in this world.
Failure is the end point for them, and failure is
the beginning point for them. And for me, failure is
the beginning point. I'm one of those people who like, Oh,
you don't want me? All right, I'm going to go
find somebody who does, and then I'm going to run
it up on you.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Like, I'm that guy. And so that's, I can, like,
it would, it'd hurt for about 10 seconds, and then
I'm going to get mad, you know? And then I'm like, oh,
you don't want me? Okay, all right. Well, let's go
find somebody who does, and let's go win then. You
ain't about winning, you know?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
But, Z, that's the thing, man. It stings for a
little longer than that. 10 seconds.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Probably. And I'm being hyperbolic with that. You know, you're
going to sit there crushed in that meeting, you know,
and then you're going to be crushed where you got
to go back to your family and say, Hey.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
You know, that is the part that sucks the most. Yeah.
You have to tell them like, Hey, uh, it didn't
happen for me, but I love the idea that you
have because that was my mentality.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Oh, you cut me? Okay, fine. If I get on
another team, I hope we play you. Because guess what?
I hope we play.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
You twice a year. Three times. I hope you make
the playoffs and I knock you out. Like that kind
of stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
That has to be the mentality. But it is tough
for the players to try to adapt to what's going on.
But in the case of the Broncos quarterback's room, they
don't have to do that. They kept the game together.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Right? They could go on vacation together.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Well, the Broncos kept the whole team together pretty much. Yes.
I mean, you know, Jaleel's in Cleveland now in their
practice squad, Joe McLaughlin. John Franklin Myers, of course, signed with,
was it Tennessee during this offseason? Basically, everybody else is back.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
What do you think Joe Lee's going to land?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
He's in Miami.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Okay. That's right. He's in Miami. So what do you
think he's going to do in Miami? Because we saw
very little of him here in Denver?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I struggle to pick the playbook up here. You know,
I mean, maybe if he gets a whole year down
there in Miami and the practice squad gets to soak
it up, you know, and Dulcich isn't that different from him,
maybe something happens there. But, you know, I don't know.
I don't– I was not– like, I was not as
keen on him as everybody else was when we got him.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I'm like, we already got an off-the-line line who doesn't
block and, you know, an Evan Ingram. I don't know
why we need a rookie to do that, too, you know,
to not do that, too. So– You know, I don't know.
I wish him nothing but the best, but I'm not
I'm not as, you know, thinking that that's that's some big, great,
big loss for the Broncos or anything. I don't know.
We can get more into that here. Just say we
got a break. Let's get more that we come back.
Broncos country tonight. Welcome back to the Broncos country tonight.
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Benjamin Albright, Nick Ferguson, short show post Rockies edition. We'll
have a full show tomorrow. We've got CU Buffs football
on Thursday. Who are they playing? Georgia Tech, I believe.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Did you see that quote from Coach Prime? He's like,
thank God they got rid of that quarterback. That dude
just refused to lose. Talking about Haynes King.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Hey, listen, really quickly. Last year when Georgia Tech went
to Boulder, dude, they ran up the yard as far
as rushing. And that's something that CU could not really
slow down. and listen they have justice haynes um and
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they're gonna and malachi hosley they're gonna do the same
thing this game that's the idea run up the score
or at least try to run up the score but
they're gonna try to do it leading with the run
game and test cu to see how well they'd hate
they've improved up front.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah it's gonna be that's gonna be a fun game
uh to to watch i think um It's going to
be interesting to see Brendan Marion unveil his go-go offense,
I think, for the first time to see bus fans.
And I hope you guys like this. This could be
something different than what you're used to. It's a power
rushing attack with a lot of exotic looks. They love
to get the deep shot play. Well, I mean, how
often do you see a sidecar, right? How often do
you see a quarterback in the gun with two backs
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both offset to the right?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
No, you don't. You know what? The first thing that
came to mind is old school Oklahoma with Jamil Holloway
at the quarterback position. So with that, you can use
two running backs, getting them out on the perimeter, running
the ball. You can also do sprint out as well.
And you can be real creative with like an option
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type play action. So it's going to be interesting to
see what this rendition of Brendan Marion's offense looked like
at CU. But it's also going to be interesting to
see how Georgia Tech defends it.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's going to be, that'll be a fun game.
We'll get a chance to talk a little bit about
that before we hit the break. We're talking about Justin
Jolie and we'll get your thoughts on that. Cause I
think everybody I talked to, um, internally was like, man,
you know, he's just, he's, he's a big wide receiver
trying to play tight end. Doesn't really block well, um,
and struggle to pick up the playbook. Uh, I saw
a bunch of stuff out there on Twitter talking about
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fights and all that nonsense. I don't know where that
came from, but, um, I will say the reason that he,
you know, he's not here is, I mean, you know,
he's kind of redundant with Evan Ingram's skill set. And oh,
by the way, you know, as a guy, rookie, he
struggled to pick up the playbook.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
A little bit. Okay, Ben. Yeah, I've heard that idea
of struggling to pick up the playbook. So for me,
I go back to the pre-draft process. When you are
talking to people who have coached Jolie and you're trying
to figure out, okay, well, what's his makeup, right? We
know he is a flex open type of tight end, right?
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And he's not an inline blogger. So you know that.
So you try to figure out from his coaches, how
difficult was it for him to pick up a system?
Because you know, Sean Payton's system is very robust and
it's very wordy. And even Caleb Loner didn't really, you know,
do anything in his first year. And he was just
kind of you know, reduced to being on the practice squad.
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But the idea is that if you know that a
player is somewhat struggling, even though I know, you know,
Jolie wasn't a high-round draft choice, but you see a
lot of qualities in him that you want to utilize,
don't you think that you will spend a little more
time with him to make sure that he understands... the playbook,
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you know, understands the nuances. And I know it is
the NFL. We don't have time to wait for you.
But if you felt as though this kid had some
real ability that can help the Broncos, because let's be
totally honest, the Broncos had a lot of tight ends.
They're trying to use a multitude of different tight ends
and trying to mold them into one guy. Right. So
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knowing that it's like, okay, we know the guy has
a little bit of skillset and he's struggling with this
aspect of the game. Let's kind of give him some
extra time, right? Now, Jolie has to work himself to
make sure that he understands the plays because it's his
profession of football. But at the same time, is there
a coaching responsibility to help him along?
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, I mean, I believe that there is. I just
also think that in the NFL, like you don't have
time in a lot of cases to do. You got,
I mean, with a guy like Jolie, a rookie, you
probably do. You probably got a year, right? Fifth round
draft pick. If you can sneak him back to the
practice squad, you probably do. Now, in this case, they didn't. Obviously,
the Miami picked him up off waivers. But there is
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some of that. But this goes back to a bigger argument,
I think, that I've been having online lately, which is
if you're a quarterback and you're not guaranteed to be
the top pick, go back to school. Take the NIL money.
Get the reps.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Oh, wait, wait, wait. You're in favor. You're waving the
flag for going back.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Go back. Stay in school. If you're a quarterback and
you're not guaranteed to be the top pick, stay in school.
Because odds are pretty good. You're going to flame out.
If you're an underclassman with eligibility left, odds are pretty good.
You're not going to. Look at J.J. McCarthy. Like, you're
not going to get time to get those right. You're
just not going to get them.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
But it's hard, Ben, when everyone is kind of patting
you on the back and putting you on the pedestal.
And we know how the league works. If you're a
young quarterback and you're coming out of college, and people
are telling you, hey, listen, you have the possibility of
being the top pick in the next draft. And we've
seen it. Because all the conversation at draft, leading up
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to the draft, and the draft itself, is about one position.
It's a quarterback position. And all these guys have dreams
and aspirations of getting to the pros, but the idea
is that Things have changed. It's not to a point
where now you have to rush because, hell, we got
NFL guys trying to go back to college now.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Oh, my God, yeah. And by the way, the LSU video,
I think you sent it to me. That was hilarious.
But I'm sad. And I got into an argument with
these people, and they're like, no, they should jump out
and take the money. I'm like, the money's still going
to be there, right? The money's going to come back.
They could lower their stock or whatever. I'm like, man,
I mean, you could lower your stock but wind up
in a better situation, right?
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, because we know. It changes as far as teams out,
teams in, because it reminds me of when Matt Leiner
was at USC, and everyone was trying to tell him
to come back, and he already won two national titles.
Then he decided, you know what? I want to go
for the three-peat. He came back. They lost to Vince
Young and Texas. He ended up being drafted by Arizona.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Terrible situation. Right. Which, it's funny because Denver and Mike
Shanahan wanted him. Shanahan would have drafted him if Arizona
hadn't gotten him there. And then Denver wound up with Cutler,
who wound up being the best of three.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
But who knows?
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Leiter might have been something under Mike Shanahan. So a
lot of that is situation-dependent, too. But get the reps.
There's no substitute for reps. None. Zero. There's no substitute
at the quarterback position for reps. And when you get
these guys who come into the league that are woefully unprepared,
Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah. Go back to school, bro. He's still on the
coach's roster, though.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
I mean, yeah. Barely. But come on, man. He's not
in their plans, really. Daniel Jones is the guy. Yeah.
You know, I mean, he's an insurance policy at this point,
and that's assuming he doesn't check himself out if he
gets winded. I just said, like, J.J. McCarthy, same thing. Like,
these underclassmen that are coming out, and it's not like
it used to be. The old school thinking back in
the day, like when Matt Stafford came out, right? That's
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before the rookie cap on contracts. and you wanted to
get in the league as quick as possible because you
were going to get plenty of time, right? It's a
different world now. Coaches get fired in one and two
years now. It's a different world than it was when
Stafford came out when you got three years. Like, you
were a coach, you got three years, right?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Okay, but how much of that is on the player?
Because I think there's a little, I mean, you put
a little onus on the player. How much does that
say about the evaluation process?
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I think it's about the prep process. The evaluation process,
you're looking for tools and traits and all that kind
of stuff, but at the end of the day, you
don't have time to build a guy if you're a
coach anymore. You get one quarterback, it'll be a rookie,
and if you get him in your first year as
a coach, that's what you're going to get. You try
to draft a guy, like look at Dable. Dable drafted Jackson.
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Darden didn't save him, and Darden looked like he could
be something. It couldn't save him.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Steve Wilkes... Took over a losing team.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, well, Steve, that's a little different. You get one
year sometimes.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
He drafted Josh Rosen in the first round because the
team was that awful. And he didn't even get a
second year.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, he didn't get a second. That's what I'm saying.
In the NFL, sometimes Nate Hackett didn't get a second year.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
But that's different, though. Hackett had already been on the
Packers for a while.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah, I mean, Wilkes had been around a while.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, but Steve Wilkes was in a very tough situation.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Well, anybody who goes to Arizona is in a tough situation.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
It's like Arizona is the Cleveland. Kind of.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
It's the Cleveland NFC.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Right? But I'm just saying, like, I get what the
point you're trying to make, though, but it's making my
point for me. Like, David Culley got one year. There's
a lot of coaches. You get one year.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
It's coaching in the.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
NFL now is a year-to-year enterprise.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
But I think I go back to some places in
college football. They do a great job in preparing players.
quarterbacks for the next level but other schools they they
don't they don't there's no preparation because a lot of
these guys come out ill-prepared to play the nfo game
because everything is shotgun well right.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
One of the worst guys who was a winner in
college but terrible at prepping quarterbacks for the nfl urban
meyer yeah you know i mean alex smith it took
him like six years to get it in the league
right that was one of urban meyer's first guys then
you had Tim Tebow, who, you know, stank.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
He needed the reps.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
He needed to learn how to play the position or
switch positions. And you go back to those Ohio State quarterbacks,
how they flamed out.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Like, college football isn't about preparing quarterbacks to play in
the pros anymore in a lot of cases. It's trying
to win at the college level. And all of you
are right. They're in the gun. They're in the spread,
which the NFL has adopted some of that stuff, to
be fair. but it's still like in college, you get
the wider hash marks. You can create stuff for playmakers.
I mean, it's just, you know, it's just a different game.
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And so you've got all these guys that come to
the league and they aren't prepared to play. You get
as many reps as you can. So you can at
least read coverages and diagnose stuff and be better.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Mentally ready for it. That is not, they're not even
doing that on the high school level to even prepare
those guys to make the jump to college football. And yeah,
They're not preparing the guys on the collegiate level because
at that point, all the coaches thinking about, hey, listen,
do I have a quarterback that's athletic enough to be
able to move in the pocket, extend plays, and can
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we win games with it?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Right?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Because I go back to, you know, Vince Young. Yeah.
He was just a do-everything guy in Texas football, right?
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Well, they were trying to position change him. Remember, they
were trying to corner, I think, Baylor?
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Florida State wanted him to play wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
But he was just like, no, no. And a lot
of teams wanted him to play wide receiver. I think
it was only, you know, Meck Brown in Texas that said, hey, listen,
we're going to let you play this quarterback position. But
he thought that he can do the same thing he
did in high school on the collegiate level, and he struggled.
I mean, he kind of, you know, fine to a
couple of things, won a national title, beat USC. And
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then when he got to the pros, it was almost
like it was starting over all over again. And he
didn't know how to adjust. And that's where I feel
as though college doesn't prepare guys for that. They need
to prepare guys for what they're going to get to
in the second level. Like even with Bo, Bo at Oregon,
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like most quarterbacks, played a lot of his plays in
maybe 80% in shotgun. And if you look at the
Broncos now, it's kind of the same duplication of it.
This is why I'm hoping with Davis Webb now calling plays,
we see some nuance to what they're doing with Bo
and they're putting him under center because for me, it
helps with foot mechanics. And this is where we see
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a lot of quarterback struggle.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, the Vince Young thing, man, I remember watching that
Rose Bowl. I was like, this is the most exciting
football game for two quarterbacks that are never going to
make an impact in the league. You know, like watch it.
Cause I was like, Vince, Vince young is, he can't
throw the ball at an NFL caliber level yet. And
he's not going to get the time in the, in
the pros. I didn't know he's going to go to
Tennessee at the time, but I was like, he's not
going to get the time to become that. And then
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on the flip side of that, you had, you know,
you had liner who was, you know, pretty limited in
what he was, you know, as I said, typical mid
round backup type guy that, you know, the Shanahan's tend
to love and turn into something, look at Purdy or
cousins or whatever. Who's cerebral, but not really, you know,
a toolsy guy. It, would it shock you? If I
asked you how many times in his six playing seasons
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that he was in the league, how many times Vince
Young threw more than 12 touchdowns?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
I would, in a single season.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
In a single season. He had, he played six seasons.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
I would say either zero to one.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Zero. He scored, he threw 12 touchdowns his rookie season,
never touched that mark again. He got 10 touchdowns twice
a couple of years later.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Now he ran for some touchdowns, obviously, and I don't
want to discredit, I don't want to discredit that, but he, um, yeah,
he did not throw for, he only ran for 12
touchdowns over his career. He too, but he, he like,
he did not, he just didn't score. Now that team,
they won a lot of games. Vince Young and the pros, um,
they won a lot of games. I think his record
as a starter was, was it 31 and 19, 31
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and 20, something like that. So he won a lot
of games. Uh, but he was also on teams that
had good defenses and a kicker, uh, and Robert almost
that could hit from anywhere. And so that, you know,
all you do is get them in position, wear them
down and use legs at the end of the game
and that kind of stuff. Um, And maybe he could
have been something else. Like Vince Young was born 10
years too soon. He comes out 10 years later, probably
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with today's offenses, he's probably looking a little bit different.
Look at what Lamar is now.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
You know, kind of thing. The relationship, Yeah. With your coach. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Oh, that's sunk. I mean, him and Jeff Fisher, like, yeah,
that was a thing. I guess he, he, it was
that quote. He sent Jeff Fisher a thank you note
or a birthday card or something. He misspelled his name.
And then Jeff Fisher's didn't write him back.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Yeah. You can't do that.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah. And I was like, man. But yeah, it's, I mean,
so much of that, there's, there's a lot that goes
into that, but the flip side of that is, and
this goes back to the, again, you can make money.
You can make it. If you're a quarterback who's even
considered being drafted, you're making 5 million a year in
an IL money.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Stay in school. Take the cash.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
The NFL money's always going to be there.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
But it's just a lure of saying that now you're
in the league now because that carries a significant amount
of weight because so many kids at whatever position go
to college football because they want to live out their
dreams of being a professional and trying to get there
as quickly as possible. They're looking at to.
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From this standpoint, how quickly can I make my mark
on a pro level as I did on the collegiate level?
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Yeah. But I mean, like, again, if you're, if you can,
Bo Nix is the perfect example of this, right? He
kept going back and getting reps. Bo was the super
duper senior. He's 20, whatever, when he came out, 24
and some change, almost 25 when he came out. It
used to be the thought process was you get older
than 21 years old, 22 years old. Um, and, and
so you would think that, um, that the guy was
(32:08):
maxed out, right? They started getting to 23 years old.
You're like, this guy's maxed out. I don't want to,
you know, so you drop him. Now it's the opposite.
They come out too early and you're like, I don't know.
Look at the guys like Sam Darnold, right? Sam Darnold
didn't start having success until much, much later. He came
out super early. Didn't have, you know, the whole Jets thing,
the Panthers thing. Took him to get to the Niners
(32:29):
before he finally got settled. He got a little bit
with the Vikings. Finally, these guys who are young coming out, man,
these coaches just don't have the time to invest and
to turn them into what they need to be. And
if you're not, there's going to be the next coaching staff.
They're not invested in you, so they're going to punt
on you.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
But see, Ben, that's where I think the trouble starts.
If you're going to invest in a quarterback in the
first round, no matter who the player is, and you
talk about Sam Darnold in this situation, you are tied
to that guy. So you have to be dedicated. From
the moment you draft that guy, we're going to do
everything within our power to build a team around him.
(33:07):
similar to what he experienced wherever the team was, he
was in college football. Try to get some of those players,
run the same scheme, do anything to make that guy
comfortable because you've already pushed all your chips to the
center of the table. But a lot of teams don't
do that. They think, okay, well, we're going to draft
a guy in the first round of the quarterback position,
(33:27):
and then all of a sudden he's going to resurrect
by himself our franchise, a franchise that obviously if you're
drafting in the top 10 or the top five and
you draft in the quarterback, obviously your team hasn't been
that well. I mean, Look at the Arizona Cardinals, for one.
But also, look at the Cleveland Browns. They've mastered that art.
(33:49):
So you have to be willing to go all in
on this guy if you have him for three years
or four years.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I think the best example is the Bills when they
drafted Josh Allen, right?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
They knew they were going to stink for two years.
They were just going to build everything around him and
do that kind of thing. And that's the example, I think,
the modern example of doing it right, the right way.
And the Browns, yeah, they tend to be the example
of how to do it exactly wrong. I can't remember
how many quarterbacks they've been through. The guy with the
duct tape jersey thing, that's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
It's like 21 guys.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, that was pretty funny. Real quick, some breaking news
from earlier today. Stan Kroenke buying the Angels.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Man.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Nice money if you got it, right?
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Well, apparently.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I guess he got jealous of the Penners getting involved
in the Rockies. Maybe.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
They're in the same family anyway.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Jealousy. You know how it is between billionaires, though. Jealousy.
My toys are bigger than your toys.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Well, if he can do with the Angels what he's
did with the teams here that he owns, the Avalanche.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Think about the Nuggets and then with the Rams.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
More power to them. Amen. We got it in a break.
Broncos country tonight.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Back after this.
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