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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Freemasedist Nick Ferguson. We had Steve Atwater on the show earlier.
You'll want to make sure you catch that hour. What
a fun way to start this show. It's a beautiful
evening here in Denver, Colorado. It's got a fall crispiness
to it. I'm a big fan of summer. Nick knows this,
but it's nice to get a little bit of a
cool down here. Looks like there's rain in the forecast
this weekend. I'm not too excited about, but it's trending
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towards feeling now like football weather.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Fall weather is always great. But here is another thing too.
When you think about the fall, you think about what
Halloween's right around the corner, and so is a Thanksgiving.
But for me, Ryan Edwards comes to mind because I
think about his flannel shirts and pumpkin spice lottes, right,
because I know that's what he loves about the fall,
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and for him anytime of the year, it's great for
punkin spice lottes.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Right, But they make them a certain way, you know,
when it's season four. It Although I tell you my
conspiracy theory about pumpkin spice lottes.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
There's a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
I have one one.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I specifically am probably the only person with my tinfoil.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Hat on right now.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I like to partake in the pumpkin spice, the pumpkins spice,
cold bruce, the cream on top, just over you. Anyways,
you don't need my Starbucks order. But the idea here
is is that during the first couple of weeks that
it's available, I would say, like the first week and
a half two weeks, they make them so lights out
amazing that you just you're like, Yes, this is what
I've been waiting for. And then you go back after
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all of that sort of not nostalgia, but like excitement
has worn off, and they're just throwing that stuff together,
sliding it across the counter, and you're like, this isn't
my order at all.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
This tastes water down. I don't know, I don't know
what benefit it would have.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I don't think that it's anything that Starbucks is doing
in general to like ramp up sales. But yeah, I'm
a partaker in the PSLs. I'm so shocked and honously
appalled at the conversation.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
You want to throw some carrot cake in there.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So while we're at it, you miss Bend so much
that we got to talk about like pumpkins spice and
what's the what's the movie.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Top gun?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Oh no, no, you know we don't have to do that.
I just only went there because you were talking about
you know, it's nice, so nice outside. So it just
got me costume for this year. I have not thought
of one yet.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Okay, we'll get to thinking camp on because it's right
around the corner.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
If I can't think of one, you know what, I'll
just go ahead and go as Nick Ferguson.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, and you're knocking on someone's door, trick or trees, Like,
what do you dress as?
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I'm Nick Ferguson.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Wait a second, are you gonna wear like your old
jersey and pants? You got that combo laying around here
and accessibility.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I don't have that combo, but I do have the jersey,
so I could wear that.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
But just think about that. How lame would that be?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Why would that be like be so lame if you
showed up to my door.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Just no, I'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Did you just do it to like make my day?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Maybe I could, Okay, I could, all.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Right, I'm glad we got into I could do that.
Before we went to break, we.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Were talking about how Nix gets his bojo back, not
we because I just decided to come up with that,
and I thought I was really cute see for doing so.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
But the idea was to talk about how you fix.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Bon Nicks or how you get the most out of Bonnicks,
because I think when you talk about fixing something, you
have to then assume that it is broken. I do
not believe that the rookie quarterback in his second NFL start, ever,
is a broken commodity. I do, however, think that he
is a little unsettled, maybe a little bit I want
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to say, like squirrelly, or uncomfortable with what the offense
is presently doing.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
And that could be a multitude of factors.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
It could be play calling, It could be hey, welcome
to the NFL, rook It could be a ton of things,
the offensive line maybe having some struggles, the run game
really not helping out. This is a multifaceted rollercoaster that
we're on right now. Nick, where's the starting point?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Well, the starting point is is for me is allowing
Bo to be bo. And the reason I said that
because you know I too, like so many others, when
the evaluation process was taking place with Bo when he's
coming out of Oregon, it was like, okay, well who
does he.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Remind you of? Immediately?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And the comp is Drew Brees. So it made a
lot of sense for the Broncos to draft him because
Sean Payton coached Drew Brees for several years to statistical
greatness for Drew Brees and with that, sometimes you can
get locked in on that and have a player try
to be the guy that you've had before. I'm not
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saying that's what Sean Payton's doing, but what I'm saying
is allow Bo to do the things that got him
drafted by the Broncos that made him one of the
top quarterbacks in college football. Now, during the preseason, there
were former quarterbacks who criticized Bow because bod pulled the
ball down and ran because now there were guys opened
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down the field who they figured as though he could
have delivered the ball to. But I was like, did
he convert the third down? Was it now first and ten?
If he converted to the first and ten, we don't
have a problem. So my overall point is allow Bow
to do Bow because here's what we've seen. Let's start
with the Seattle Seahawks game. The Broncos offense really couldn't
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do too much of anything right. It was short passes,
couldn't get the ball established from a passing standpoint.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
We get to the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Here's a couple of things that we saw right, and
it's similar to what we saw last year when Russell
was a quarterback. So let's talk about bow for a second.
Both scrambled to the left to pick you up twenty
three yards for a first down. And on that same
drive the Broncos, I think only touchdown of the year
comes on what a bow Nick scramble. Now this fast
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forward to the Steelers game. The Broncos would get into
an empty formation and what did they run both times?
Quarterback draw. So that means that the kid using his feet.
Someone sees some value in it, but it's not being
exploited as much as it can.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Now. I'm not saying, Bree, you do this on every
single play.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
We're not saying that we want bo Nicks to be
like Cam Newton. No, you use your feet to extend plays.
So why not get the dude outside of the pocket,
get him on the perimeter because in the fourth quarter,
just like last year, it's like, well, why is the
offense for the Broncos seem to be on time and
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on rhythm in the fourth quarter when desperation is on
the mind of the team.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Why your quarterback has to start making those decisions and
has to start up So.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Why not start the game that way?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Well, that's a great question, Nick, and that's something that
I think needs to change. So you're telling me ramp
up that mobility for Bow. Nicks allow him to have
that freedom so much. So, why are we not being
a little more I don't even want to not constructive,
but creative in the idea of pairing him with a
running back right next to him, Because the idea is
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that defenses are now challenging something they know is not
going to happen, and that pass is not getting you know,
your yardage that you're craving here out of this offense,
at least not right now. It's not working. They're anticipating
in a boat run, They're anticipating the run game. So
how do you ramp it up and also make it work?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Because okay, use Bow's athleticism, he is not Drew Brees
we don't need this kid to stand in the pocket.
I mean in the game against Seattle he threw forty
two times. Obviously that because they can understand it's the runabom.
But the idea is to get him outside the pocket.
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All you want to do is make the defense think
that it's a threat because I'm gonna toss the quarterback
out here. Think about what is transpired in Kansas City
with Andy Reid. Now, I know I'm not saying that
bow Knicks is Patrick Mahomes, but Andy Reid said, you
know what, go out there and play football, no matter
how it looks, go play football.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
And that's what the Broncos need to do with bow Knicks.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Okay, so maybe a little bit of a simplified front
when it comes to play calling. Also, maybe in necessity,
as you have Mike McGlinchey missing time now upwards of
at least four weeks with the IR, you're going to
be bringing in a new body there on the offensive line.
And we'll ask our next NEXTUS guests this as well.
But you're going to have to make sure that everyone's
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set up for success on Sunday. It's kind of a
new endeavor here, breathing.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
You simplfi it out.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
You know, the only guy you need to set up
for success, bon Nicks, your damn quarterback. That's what everyone
everything evolves around. That's why this fan base was so well,
it was fifty to fifty, right, because some people want
to you know, uh, the kid from Michigan, Right.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
But you now have bo Bow has a unique.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Skill set that that's different from your traditional back, the
drop back quarterback. Use that to your advantage because now
play action is now open. If you're running, if your
running backs can't get you yards, guess what we're gonna
get our quarterback on the movie. Make the defense think
that we're going to we're going to run with our
quarterback because you want to make those second level linebackers.
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You want to make a move and then your receivers
can go, okay, well, now those linebackers are moving. Now
I've identified the soft spot in the defense. Sit down
in his own, don't try to run through it. Sit
down in his own. But now be happy to talk
about the other part. Now you got to catch the ball. Yeah,
Now you got to catch the ball.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
And we were just talking about it with the DBS
earlier with Steve mistakes happen. You got to have the
amnesia there with the wide receivers, though, there is a.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Lot of finger pointing.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I know fans in Broncos Country in the stadium on
Sunday we're talking about, well, the drop balls are an issue.
I'm not mad at bo Nicks for throwing the ball.
I'm mad at the receivers for not catching it. How
big of an emphasis is it on there, especially when
you got a core back throwing the ball forty two
times against a Seattle defense. Not sustainable in general. There's
so many more conversations we could have about that. But
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what are the wide receivers need to do? How do
you change that? You don't You can't change out their
hands necessarily. But is it a talent issue? Is it
an effort issue? Is it just not working right now
and it's because lack of reps?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I'm confused.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's confidence oo, It is confidence Like before, Like when
I would play games, I needed to get to tackle,
no matter where it came from.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I need to get a tackle to get me in
somewhat of a rhythm or mentally, my confidence would be
a little shook. When you look at offensive players skill positions.
They need to get into rhythm, just like a quarterback.
An easy throw here and there, a little pitch and catch, right.
But sometimes I think watching the team, there's a constant
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rotation of guys who are coming in from possession of possession,
and I can tell you it's hard to get into
a rhythm. And some may think that, well, you're a
professional athlete, that shouldn't matter. It's hard to go into
a game cold turkey and then go expect to produce. Like,
let's just say the run game is struggling, keep Javonte in.
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You say, well, you know, in the first two possessions
of the game, no matter what, Javonte is going to
be the guy.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
We're not going to rotate them.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
If you get tired, you better do better conditioning during
the week because you're going to be the Bell Kyle guy.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
So my GP Royd isn't here, So someone's going to
have to take the leadership as far as running the ball.
So even if that means and the first half Javonte
has twenty carries, I'll take it, right, because we need
to force the offensive line to get in somewhat of
a rhythm and that's something they have not established.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Now you can bring in.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Jelam McLoughlin and everyone else you want to bring in,
but some of those guys need to be in the
rhythm to establish themselves, to get used to catching the
ball the backfield. I'll say this, Remember a couple of
years ago when Philip Lindsay was here and everyone was
saying that Philip Lindsay couldn't catch. You got to throw
it to me several times for me to get in
the rhythm to understand that you're gonna get me the ball.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
So the comfortability of the last of variability, because right
now it's just too much all the time.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Okay, try this own phasize. People are not gonna like this,
but it's true. And sometimes the truth is hard to take.
People saying talked about Jerry Judy and his inability to catch.
But when you throw to a guy seldomly, and when
you do go to him, you go to him in
the fourth quarter when you've seen all three quarters pass
and now you're throwing at the ball. Yes, should you
catch it, absolutely, But I haven't been involved. You gotta
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get me involved.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Oh okay, I could see what you're talking about. Though
it goes all game. Right, the football game is super long.
You got all these snapchapping around. Do you continue to
not get any sort of targets and then it finally
comes to you.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
You're one.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I know. I would almost say though, be ready at
all times. But at a certain point, that's still the
first time it's happened all game, and it's creating this
lack of confidence because you're not the continued target for
your quarterback.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
I'm sure there's there's a mentality to that.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Okay, well, let me give it to you.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Last year, Courtland Sudden caught ten touchdowns and it hadn't
been a Broncos receiver to catch ten touchdowns in the
single season in a couple of years, right, And he
became Russell Wilson's go to guy. Anytime he was in
the clutch, Russell would always find fourteen.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Right.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
It's because he built a certain rapport with him and
the confidence was there, and Courtland became confident were catching
the fifty to fifty balls, catching the balls right there
with the you know, toe drag swag. Right, he was
so used to that. It's not a receiver who you
can say, well, that's the go to guy.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
There's not a guy.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Do you you also think that you get rewarded for
that as well as Courtland kind of had to bail
Russ out a couple of times with those those touchdowns,
and in the end, ze any of it all creates
that you.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Can quantify the way you want to.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
All I know is that dude had ten touchdowns and
there was a rapport between him and his quarterback.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Right works.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
So right now, the Broncos have talented wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
But tell me what they do well. Tell me what
this team does well.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I mean, the defense looks really good.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Special teams no, no, no, we're not talking about defense.
We're not talking about a special team. Tell me what
the offense does well? What can they hang their head
on at the end of the day, Bree, tell me.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I'm having I'm having a struggle with it because it's like,
what quantified good? I guess you know what's your definition?
Because my definition is not being matched. Right now, you
have this variability with your receivers. You don't have that
number one wide receiver, and then you've got a Courtland
Sutton who maybe you know, maybe.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
He is going into the season, but right now you want.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
To Why is he starting above a vele who was
obviously injured, but like when he comes back, I hope
he's able to plug and play there. Or you have
a Josh Reynolds who's going to start being your leading receiver.
Is that what you want to lean into. I'm not
sure what they're doing well right now because across the
board it seems a little bit dysfunctional, and I think
that's where we're at as fans, trying to look for
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like the up and up with the offense. The defense
is doing great, they're doing their job, but we've seen
this happen before. If the offense continues to struggle and
there's no scoring within the red zone, it's going to
be a long season of throwing our hands up and
wondering how did we get here and how do we
get back out of it? Because a lot of it,
too is just it's momentum, and it's a shift that
needs to happen. I'm sure we'll talk to our next
guest about this because we have to figure out what's
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going wrong, how do we fix this, how do we
come back from it.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
It's just the start of the season is only two
games up.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
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Let's head on out to the KOA Common Spirit Health
Line and welcome to the show. Former CEU buff and
Denver Bronco owner of the six to zero Football Academy
and Recruiting and host of the Zero to sixty podcast,
Matt McChesney to the show.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Matt, how are you?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
What's happening? Guys? How are you on Wednesday evening?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
You know, it's a beautiful night here in Denver.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Nick and I have been having quite the fun evening
and we thought we'd talked a little bit of Broncos
with you.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
How about that?
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Let's do it?
Speaker 4 (16:32):
I like it all right.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So I know you were at the game on Sunday
and afterwards there was a there was a clip floating
around there on the interwebs. No audio to the visual
that happened, but it was a view from the Denver
Broncos huddle and maybe some perplexing looks that were taking
place during what I can only assume is some play calling.
Can you give me your initial thoughts on that, so
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we can open this conversation up right.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Uh yeah, And I'm sure for will jump in on
this one too, because look, I played defense my entire
career in college, and I started my NFL career at
nose tackle, and I got moved offense in the middle
of my NFL career and I got handed the offensive
playbook and it was daunting, to say the least. So
I can only imagine. And that was a defensive head
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coach in New York and hereon Eric Nangenie that really
tried to simplify things and just copy what they did
in New England. I don't imagine what Boone Nis is
going through mentally trying word. Sean Payton's just language on
top of the scheme. So I don't think it's just
him either. They're judging by what I saw on Sunday,
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they look confused, They look out of sorts. The offensive
line looks slow footed, which means they're thinking before they
can just get up and play, and bo is just
like chasing a shadow. So I'm concerned. Man, that huddle
was That was ugly, And I know to the untrained
that it's like oh, well, they're just communicating. It looked
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to me like everybody was asking what are we doing
and then they were like, oh yeah, I got it.
And usually on the football field, when a dude just
says I got it, you know he ain't got it
and he's gonna screw it up and the coaches are
getting yell at him. You're never going to, you know,
admit that you don't know what's going on on the field,
because they'll take it rep. So I'm pretty concerned. I
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thought that that was a very telling video and I
almost liked it about the sound because it forces everybody
to really think about what's going on now.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Coach Sean Payton said after the game when he was
on with Dave Logan about trying to and this is
me paraphrasing, maybe trimming things down. And I don't know
if that is from a play call standpoint or just
the amount of plays that he goes in on his
call sheet. And we've seen those restaurant menu type of
call sheets now for season, coach like Sean Payton and
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looking at where the offense is both from running the
running the ball, in the passing the I mean, what
could he do as an offensive coordinated. You kind of
really make things more concise so the players can go
out there and execute.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Man, this is a loaded question, but a good one. Look,
Sean Payton's obviously he's got tulps on the wall. He's
a super Bowl winning coach and all of that good stuff.
But for Bree, I mean, Steve was all with you earlier.
Everybody knows that you don't win without players. You don't
win without a quarterback. So you know, Sean without Drew Brees,
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who is he really? You know Bill Belichick without Tom Brady,
who is he really? So everything has to come together perfectly.
And look, Sean Payton last year, he did this with Russ,
and he like would would throw Russ under the bus
at times, and look, he deserved to be thrown under
the bust of times, but he would throw him under
the bust of times talking about how you know they're
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gonna try and dumb things down to speed him up.
And he's a twelve year vet or whatever. He is
a super Bowl winning quarterback. So again, with a rookie,
I always I always thought it was easier just to
simplify everything and you know, like one word code for
the play and have one kill call instead of three,
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and you know, instead of like having him reiterate the
formation and blah blah blah blah blah all the way
down through the protection in the routes, you just have
one word. You walk up and say stallion, you know,
kill pink, you know, And if I say pink, that's
the kill, that's the killed color. And then we can
go stallion sixty four, you know, triple slant or something,
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and that simplifies everything. We get to the land of
scrimts where he can actually start to process what he's
looking at because judging by what I saw Sunday, he
was walking up late and not getting really a chance
to look at what Pittsburgh was doing. And they weren't
doing anything crazy. They're just good. So I'd like to
see him just you know, like one word easy. You know,
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everybody remember your job quarterback. Obviously you have to remember everything.
But does he need to really repeat does it need
to be a repeat game, Like does it need to
be super complex like Seom Payton. Is he being like
miked every week or something. Is it a documentary where
he needs to sound smart or does he just want that?
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Like is he trying to get his flowers that he's
the smartest sense of mind in history. Or is he
going to acclimate too, because he's sure as hell is
asked the fan base and the owners and the media
and everybody to change the way they do things in
Denver to fit him. So I wonder if Shampaign's going
to change the way he does things in Denver to
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fit the players and the scheme and like the ability
to go win a football game. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Absolutely, So you're talking about the first initial steps to
get bicks back and rolling. It's going to take a
little bit of a hit here, though, as Mike McGlinchey
goes on IR with a minimum of a four week
sit out there, it does look like Garrett Bowles is
going to be okay. However, I've got some questions about
the depth and the current play of the offensive line.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
What are you seeing from the O line? How do
the Broncos address it?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
And is it that in the kind of rearview mirror
for seeing Bonix find some success here?
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Ooh boyglitty being out, I'm not going to say it's
like we're gonna get any worse. I mean to pay
the guy eighty five million dollars or one hundred and six.
Maybe Powers got eighty five. I can't really remember, but
he's I think he's been a severe disappointment at right tackle.
I mean last year he was voted to captain. This
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year they did not vote him captain. Again, that says something.
I just that offensive line is paid. Bulls is paid,
Miners is paid, Powers is paid. The center is a
league minimal guy, but git, he's paid. When are they
going to start playing like it? It's not on it's
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not on constraints. I meanmore, I mean, you played in
the NFL for fifteen years. When are the men up
front on the Denver Bronco offensive line going to play
football the way that they're capable of? So something good
can happen for the backs, for the receivers and for
the young quarterback. I mean, that should be the strong
point of this team, and again it's its weakest link.
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I mean, Garrett Balls and McGlinchey, and again I know
that I'm hardcore and I'm mean and all this stuff,
but they were atrocious onset. They were terrible. So when
you wear white, you usually give up. And that's what
I saw at home with the Broncos wearing white. And
giving up on Sunday on the offensive line.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Well, this down the offensive line for a second, because
Bri and I was talking about this, because yeah, you're right,
the offensive line, they are really paid. But except for
the center position, it is just a case or am
I too far gone to even make the statement of
saying the Broncos miss Lloyd Cushionberry at the center position.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
I think they do. I think they missed Connor McGovern win.
Lloyd got there. I think you know, like they draft guys,
they let them develop into good players, and then they
just let them leave. And you know, for a franchise
that had Tom Nayland forever, like, it's not a coincidence
that Tom Naland was a mainstay and the offensive why
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was always good when he was there. That's not just
something that happens. It's not because of the franchise. It's
because of Tommy. So you know, he was he was
the glue guy. And usually your center has to be that.
So even at the high school that I coach at,
our center is our smallest player, but he's the smartest guy,
and he's the glue. And if Birch isn't out there
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doing this thing, then we're in trouble. So I just
I don't understand why they don't build from the inside
out on the offensive. Why obviously they have a left
tackle that's serviceable. But I mean, I've had this conversation
with people who are like, you think Derrick Bowles is
a real favor, and I'm like, are you out of
your mind? What is the standard for Ring of Fame anymore?
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He's never even been in a playoffs game. So the
offensive line, in my opinion, is severely underachieving. And it
doesn't seem to me like they I'm not saying they
don't care. I mean, where is the fight. Like the
home opening, they came out and got absolutely dominated by Campaig,
who is a Hall of Famer by TJ. Watt, he's
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a freak. I mean, high Smith ate him alive. They
couldn't walk the linebackers, they couldn't pick up the glitzes,
they had no push in the run game, and they
struggled in Seattle as well. And look, I don't know
if anybody's noticed, but when the Broncos go on the
road in Florida, like in September and October, bad things happened.
So I thought at Tampa. I'm sure they're gonna you know,
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Vida A at no stack was no scrub. So I
hope that the interior three bring their lunch trail. And
Clint Myners just got broke off a huge contract and
he deserves every penny, but he needs to play to
a standard that he leads the other four now instead
of just being the guy plays hard, you know, and
and it's going for a contract. You got the money
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you got to see on your chest. Are you going
to be the leader of these five? Or are you
going to keep looking at the two tackles that like
essentially helped you into the league and it helped you,
you know, mature to the player you are. Are they
still the leaders and you're just wearing the seat? So
I need to see a lot out of the offensive
line this week. Man, it's all on them. If they
can't go to Tampa and play well, we have absolutely
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no chance of winning this game.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
That's not exactly what I wanted to hear, but I
think you're right. Talking to Matt McChesney zero to sixty,
you had a great quote, I'm going to switch gears
here and go to another Colorado team. You had a
quote from your show a couple of weeks ago, and
it was even featured on the ESPN broadcast for the
Colorado Buffalo Is. It went something like, if Shador doesn't
have to do everything, he can do anything. Are the
Buffs leaning into this mantra? Is that going to bode
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well for Shador's success?
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Look? I liked what I saw on Saturday, and you
know all it's all the Colorado State fans listening and
all the people that picked against the you why'd you
pick CSU if they're not any good? Now? To see
you beat them? So that's my first thing. Number two,
I think the Door is an elite talent. I mean
he had to throw the other night to Wester that
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was an lways throw like it looked like you know
when John put his foot in the ground in Cleveland
and rocketed the ball to Mark Jackson, Mark Jackson and
I'm not kidding, don't watch it. It's between three rams
and it was a dot. So I think when you
hit him, which they chief shot at him again in
this game, it just pissed him off and he went
for four tutties. I think he's got I think he's
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pretty special. When he supported and Look, everybody can have
their opinion of old Patty boy patch over, but he
he did change and they did run the ball for
one hundred and nine yards and it was you know, again,
whatever narrative you want to feed into, you can. But
that's vast improval from the first two weeks and last season.
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So I feel really strong, you know, provement week in
and week out. And not only is Shador being supported
by Travis Hunter, who I mean, have you ever seen
anyone like twelve in your entire life?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
No?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Wait, the only person I've seen like like twelve is
twenty four at Champ Bailey.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
That's it. And they don't make many of those guys.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
And like even Charles Woodson, like Charles was good on offense,
and Prime was good on offense, and Champ played some offense,
but they didn't just play every play every game. So
I mean, Travis is a unicorn. And when you have
that kind of support and your offensive lands playing better,
and then all of a sudden, you got this defense
that's just flying around and tattooing people and causing turnovers
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and you know, only giving up twelve points in three
games in the second half all year. That says to
me that they are getting better and Boulder the guys
are buying into the culture and the community that coach
prime Is has preached that he's building that he is,
you know, and look, a hater can find a fault
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in anything, but it's it's hard to stay the course
and the entire world tells you you're wrong, but you
know you're right. And I really think that people in
Boulder really hold onto your ass because this is going
to get pretty fun. Man should or special.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Well, speaking of Shador really really quickly. I know everyone
made a huge deal after the game of Shaudor and
not shaken Nicolosi's hand, And I know I want your viewpoint,
and I'm asking you this question because I know you're
not going to give me the bias buff a lum answer.
But did you look at it the same way that oh,
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there's a problem and he's not shaking hands and he's
supposed to be somewhat sportsmanship and that's not good sportsmanship.
How did you look at that?
Speaker 5 (29:47):
I wouldn't have shaken nikolosis sand either, no way, especially
with how much he ran his mouth, how much Horton
ran his mouth, knowing that they're dirty, cheap play that
they do with CSU. This is the way they've all
always played. They've got to play dirty in order to
try and win, like last year, like that again, like
they did again this year. I mean does it's like
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the CSU faithful in the country for God that Horton
and Nicolosi sat on you know, on social media and
on TV and talked about we're gonna murder these guys.
We all been revenge. We'll see what eleven to eleven
sounds like Instagram followers don't get you, that get you
this and the whole game. Nicolosi was just talking trash
while he was getting merked, by the way, So I
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wouldn't have shook his hand either, And I got no
problem with your door not shaking his hand and tell
him telling him what it is. This. Look, there's a
thing called sportsmanship that is true, but sportsmanship goes out
the door in a rivalry games that's heated where we
don't like each other. Like I have no love lost
for CSU or their fans at all. I think that
they're the dirtiest program in college football, and I'm going
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to continue to reiterate that. And I like dirty stuff,
like I'm with it, I'm with it. And if I'm
saying that, if I'm saying that they're dirt, oh that's bad.
So all I'm saying is Shador had every right to
say what's on his mind. And I don't look at
this like it's a negative. Any general manager or head
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coach that looks at Saint Door and goes, that's not
the quarterback I want, because he's not a sportsman. I
look at him and go, that is exact dude I want.
He's a dog, He's only about his team. He doesn't
care what anybody thinks. He he competes better after they
hit him. He's clutching two minutes. His percentage, his completed
percentage is through the roof. He makes good decisions, and
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he's tough and like he doesn't back down from any
challenge ever, and he's not afraid to tell you about it.
And that sounds to me like his dad. So you
just you don't. Sometimes you got to understand that you
don't saddle the mustang. You just kind of let him
go do the thing.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
As a coach, quick sixty seconds from you, what's the
message to the team as they head into homecoming week?
Beyond as significant big matchups approach.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Look, do your job, you know, don't get too high
about the CSU twenty four hour rule, the same way
you didn't get too low about losing the brasket, which
was necessary. It exposed flaws that were fixed. Now be
able to look at the Colorado State film as if
you lost and fix the flaws that are on the field,
so you can play a much better Baylor team. You're
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better than that. You should be at home on national TV.
Whether it's rain, sleep, snow, or hail, it doesn't matter.
We play them in a parking lot. Who cares lock
the gates on the Bears and with that ass so
the UCF game means something. And then you're going into
the bye week with Kansas State on deck, so the
tune in the country will change as soon as you
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start playing them like a fiddle. And that's what coach
Prime does to the media. So it's not for the
team to start doing it to college football. So I mean, look,
this is an opportunity for all of them to keep
going building their own brand on the foundation of the
University of Colorado, which nope, it is very strong these
days to say the least. So I'm excited for Saturday.
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Then I can't wait. Nick is my son. Nick got
invited up as a recruit, So we'll get there on
Saturday night and it's gonna be awesome. I'll bring my
umbrella just in case.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
For the downpour.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Thanks for your time this evening, Matt, I have yourself
a great rest of your night and go buffs. Mat
McChesney legendary buff hosts a zero to sixty pod. Check
him out over there on YouTube Coollum six to zero Academy.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
We'll react to Matt up next.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Broncos Country tonight at KA eight fifty am ninety four
one FM
Freemasedist Nick Ferguson. We had Steve Atwater on the show earlier.
You'll want to make sure you catch that hour. What
a fun way to start this show. It's a beautiful
evening here in Denver, Colorado. It's got a fall crispiness
to it. I'm a big fan of summer. Nick knows this,
but it's nice to get a little bit of a
cool down here. Looks like there's rain in the forecast
this weekend. I'm not too excited about, but it's trending
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towards feeling now like football weather.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Fall weather is always great. But here is another thing too.
When you think about the fall, you think about what
Halloween's right around the corner, and so is a Thanksgiving.
But for me, Ryan Edwards comes to mind because I
think about his flannel shirts and pumpkin spice lottes, right,
because I know that's what he loves about the fall,
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and for him anytime of the year, it's great for
punkin spice lottes.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Right, But they make them a certain way, you know,
when it's season four. It Although I tell you my
conspiracy theory about pumpkin spice lottes.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
There's a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
I have one one.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I specifically am probably the only person with my tinfoil.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Hat on right now.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I like to partake in the pumpkin spice, the pumpkins spice,
cold bruce, the cream on top, just over you. Anyways,
you don't need my Starbucks order. But the idea here
is is that during the first couple of weeks that
it's available, I would say, like the first week and
a half two weeks, they make them so lights out
amazing that you just you're like, Yes, this is what
I've been waiting for. And then you go back after
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all of that sort of not nostalgia, but like excitement
has worn off, and they're just throwing that stuff together,
sliding it across the counter, and you're like, this isn't
my order at all.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
This tastes water down. I don't know, I don't know
what benefit it would have.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I don't think that it's anything that Starbucks is doing
in general to like ramp up sales. But yeah, I'm
a partaker in the PSLs. I'm so shocked and honously
appalled at the conversation.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
You want to throw some carrot cake in there.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So while we're at it, you miss Bend so much
that we got to talk about like pumpkins spice and
what's the what's the movie.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Top gun?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Oh no, no, you know we don't have to do that.
I just only went there because you were talking about
you know, it's nice, so nice outside. So it just
got me costume for this year. I have not thought
of one yet.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Okay, we'll get to thinking camp on because it's right
around the corner.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
If I can't think of one, you know what, I'll
just go ahead and go as Nick Ferguson.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Well, and you're knocking on someone's door, trick or trees, Like,
what do you dress as?
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I'm Nick Ferguson.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Wait a second, are you gonna wear like your old
jersey and pants? You got that combo laying around here
and accessibility.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
I don't have that combo, but I do have the jersey,
so I could wear that.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
But just think about that. How lame would that be?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Why would that be like be so lame if you
showed up to my door.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Just no, I'm not gonna do that.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Did you just do it to like make my day?
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Maybe I could, Okay, I could, all.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Right, I'm glad we got into I could do that.
Before we went to break, we.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Were talking about how Nix gets his bojo back, not
we because I just decided to come up with that,
and I thought I was really cute see for doing so.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
But the idea was to talk about how you fix.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Bon Nicks or how you get the most out of Bonnicks,
because I think when you talk about fixing something, you
have to then assume that it is broken. I do
not believe that the rookie quarterback in his second NFL start, ever,
is a broken commodity. I do, however, think that he
is a little unsettled, maybe a little bit I want
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to say, like squirrelly, or uncomfortable with what the offense
is presently doing.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
And that could be a multitude of factors.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
It could be play calling, It could be hey, welcome
to the NFL, rook It could be a ton of things,
the offensive line maybe having some struggles, the run game
really not helping out. This is a multifaceted rollercoaster that
we're on right now. Nick, where's the starting point?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Well, the starting point is is for me is allowing
Bo to be bo. And the reason I said that
because you know I too, like so many others, when
the evaluation process was taking place with Bo when he's
coming out of Oregon, it was like, okay, well who
does he.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Remind you of? Immediately?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And the comp is Drew Brees. So it made a
lot of sense for the Broncos to draft him because
Sean Payton coached Drew Brees for several years to statistical
greatness for Drew Brees and with that, sometimes you can
get locked in on that and have a player try
to be the guy that you've had before. I'm not
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saying that's what Sean Payton's doing, but what I'm saying
is allow Bo to do the things that got him
drafted by the Broncos that made him one of the
top quarterbacks in college football. Now, during the preseason, there
were former quarterbacks who criticized Bow because bod pulled the
ball down and ran because now there were guys opened
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down the field who they figured as though he could
have delivered the ball to. But I was like, did
he convert the third down? Was it now first and ten?
If he converted to the first and ten, we don't
have a problem. So my overall point is allow Bow
to do Bow because here's what we've seen. Let's start
with the Seattle Seahawks game. The Broncos offense really couldn't
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do too much of anything right. It was short passes,
couldn't get the ball established from a passing standpoint.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
We get to the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Here's a couple of things that we saw right, and
it's similar to what we saw last year when Russell
was a quarterback. So let's talk about bow for a second.
Both scrambled to the left to pick you up twenty
three yards for a first down. And on that same
drive the Broncos, I think only touchdown of the year
comes on what a bow Nick scramble. Now this fast
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forward to the Steelers game. The Broncos would get into
an empty formation and what did they run both times?
Quarterback draw. So that means that the kid using his feet.
Someone sees some value in it, but it's not being
exploited as much as it can.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Now. I'm not saying, Bree, you do this on every
single play.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
We're not saying that we want bo Nicks to be
like Cam Newton. No, you use your feet to extend plays.
So why not get the dude outside of the pocket,
get him on the perimeter because in the fourth quarter,
just like last year, it's like, well, why is the
offense for the Broncos seem to be on time and
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on rhythm in the fourth quarter when desperation is on
the mind of the team.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Why your quarterback has to start making those decisions and
has to start up So.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Why not start the game that way?
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Well, that's a great question, Nick, and that's something that
I think needs to change. So you're telling me ramp
up that mobility for Bow. Nicks allow him to have
that freedom so much. So, why are we not being
a little more I don't even want to not constructive,
but creative in the idea of pairing him with a
running back right next to him, Because the idea is
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that defenses are now challenging something they know is not
going to happen, and that pass is not getting you know,
your yardage that you're craving here out of this offense,
at least not right now. It's not working. They're anticipating
in a boat run, They're anticipating the run game. So
how do you ramp it up and also make it work?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Because okay, use Bow's athleticism, he is not Drew Brees
we don't need this kid to stand in the pocket.
I mean in the game against Seattle he threw forty
two times. Obviously that because they can understand it's the runabom.
But the idea is to get him outside the pocket.
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All you want to do is make the defense think
that it's a threat because I'm gonna toss the quarterback
out here. Think about what is transpired in Kansas City
with Andy Reid. Now, I know I'm not saying that
bow Knicks is Patrick Mahomes, but Andy Reid said, you
know what, go out there and play football, no matter
how it looks, go play football.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
And that's what the Broncos need to do with bow Knicks.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Okay, so maybe a little bit of a simplified front
when it comes to play calling. Also, maybe in necessity,
as you have Mike McGlinchey missing time now upwards of
at least four weeks with the IR, you're going to
be bringing in a new body there on the offensive line.
And we'll ask our next NEXTUS guests this as well.
But you're going to have to make sure that everyone's
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set up for success on Sunday. It's kind of a
new endeavor here, breathing.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
You simplfi it out.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
You know, the only guy you need to set up
for success, bon Nicks, your damn quarterback. That's what everyone
everything evolves around. That's why this fan base was so well,
it was fifty to fifty, right, because some people want
to you know, uh, the kid from Michigan, Right.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
But you now have bo Bow has a unique.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Skill set that that's different from your traditional back, the
drop back quarterback. Use that to your advantage because now
play action is now open. If you're running, if your
running backs can't get you yards, guess what we're gonna
get our quarterback on the movie. Make the defense think
that we're going to we're going to run with our
quarterback because you want to make those second level linebackers.
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You want to make a move and then your receivers
can go, okay, well, now those linebackers are moving. Now
I've identified the soft spot in the defense. Sit down
in his own, don't try to run through it. Sit
down in his own. But now be happy to talk
about the other part. Now you got to catch the ball. Yeah,
Now you got to catch the ball.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
And we were just talking about it with the DBS
earlier with Steve mistakes happen. You got to have the
amnesia there with the wide receivers, though, there is a.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Lot of finger pointing.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I know fans in Broncos Country in the stadium on
Sunday we're talking about, well, the drop balls are an issue.
I'm not mad at bo Nicks for throwing the ball.
I'm mad at the receivers for not catching it. How
big of an emphasis is it on there, especially when
you got a core back throwing the ball forty two
times against a Seattle defense. Not sustainable in general. There's
so many more conversations we could have about that. But
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what are the wide receivers need to do? How do
you change that? You don't You can't change out their
hands necessarily. But is it a talent issue? Is it
an effort issue? Is it just not working right now
and it's because lack of reps?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
I'm confused.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
It's confidence oo, It is confidence Like before, Like when
I would play games, I needed to get to tackle,
no matter where it came from.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I need to get a tackle to get me in
somewhat of a rhythm or mentally, my confidence would be
a little shook. When you look at offensive players skill positions.
They need to get into rhythm, just like a quarterback.
An easy throw here and there, a little pitch and catch, right.
But sometimes I think watching the team, there's a constant
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rotation of guys who are coming in from possession of possession,
and I can tell you it's hard to get into
a rhythm. And some may think that, well, you're a
professional athlete, that shouldn't matter. It's hard to go into
a game cold turkey and then go expect to produce. Like,
let's just say the run game is struggling, keep Javonte in.
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You say, well, you know, in the first two possessions
of the game, no matter what, Javonte is going to
be the guy.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
We're not going to rotate them.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
If you get tired, you better do better conditioning during
the week because you're going to be the Bell Kyle guy.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
So my GP Royd isn't here, So someone's going to
have to take the leadership as far as running the ball.
So even if that means and the first half Javonte
has twenty carries, I'll take it, right, because we need
to force the offensive line to get in somewhat of
a rhythm and that's something they have not established.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Now you can bring in.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Jelam McLoughlin and everyone else you want to bring in,
but some of those guys need to be in the
rhythm to establish themselves, to get used to catching the
ball the backfield. I'll say this, Remember a couple of
years ago when Philip Lindsay was here and everyone was
saying that Philip Lindsay couldn't catch. You got to throw
it to me several times for me to get in
the rhythm to understand that you're gonna get me the ball.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
So the comfortability of the last of variability, because right
now it's just too much all the time.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Okay, try this own phasize. People are not gonna like this,
but it's true. And sometimes the truth is hard to take.
People saying talked about Jerry Judy and his inability to catch.
But when you throw to a guy seldomly, and when
you do go to him, you go to him in
the fourth quarter when you've seen all three quarters pass
and now you're throwing at the ball. Yes, should you
catch it, absolutely, But I haven't been involved. You gotta
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get me involved.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Oh okay, I could see what you're talking about. Though
it goes all game. Right, the football game is super long.
You got all these snapchapping around. Do you continue to
not get any sort of targets and then it finally
comes to you.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
You're one.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I know. I would almost say though, be ready at
all times. But at a certain point, that's still the
first time it's happened all game, and it's creating this
lack of confidence because you're not the continued target for
your quarterback.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
I'm sure there's there's a mentality to that.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Okay, well, let me give it to you.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Last year, Courtland Sudden caught ten touchdowns and it hadn't
been a Broncos receiver to catch ten touchdowns in the
single season in a couple of years, right, And he
became Russell Wilson's go to guy. Anytime he was in
the clutch, Russell would always find fourteen.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Right.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
It's because he built a certain rapport with him and
the confidence was there, and Courtland became confident were catching
the fifty to fifty balls, catching the balls right there
with the you know, toe drag swag. Right, he was
so used to that. It's not a receiver who you
can say, well, that's the go to guy.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
There's not a guy.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Do you you also think that you get rewarded for
that as well as Courtland kind of had to bail
Russ out a couple of times with those those touchdowns,
and in the end, ze any of it all creates
that you.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Can quantify the way you want to.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
All I know is that dude had ten touchdowns and
there was a rapport between him and his quarterback.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Right works.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
So right now, the Broncos have talented wide receivers.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
But tell me what they do well. Tell me what
this team does well.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I mean, the defense looks really good.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Special teams no, no, no, we're not talking about defense.
We're not talking about a special team. Tell me what
the offense does well? What can they hang their head
on at the end of the day, Bree, tell me.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I'm having I'm having a struggle with it because it's like,
what quantified good? I guess you know what's your definition?
Because my definition is not being matched. Right now, you
have this variability with your receivers. You don't have that
number one wide receiver, and then you've got a Courtland
Sutton who maybe you know, maybe.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
He is going into the season, but right now you want.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
To Why is he starting above a vele who was
obviously injured, but like when he comes back, I hope
he's able to plug and play there. Or you have
a Josh Reynolds who's going to start being your leading receiver.
Is that what you want to lean into. I'm not
sure what they're doing well right now because across the
board it seems a little bit dysfunctional, and I think
that's where we're at as fans, trying to look for
(15:10):
like the up and up with the offense. The defense
is doing great, they're doing their job, but we've seen
this happen before. If the offense continues to struggle and
there's no scoring within the red zone, it's going to
be a long season of throwing our hands up and
wondering how did we get here and how do we
get back out of it? Because a lot of it,
too is just it's momentum, and it's a shift that
needs to happen. I'm sure we'll talk to our next
guest about this because we have to figure out what's
(15:33):
going wrong, how do we fix this, how do we
come back from it.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
It's just the start of the season is only two
games up.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Next we welcome Lendon Darry Colorado, Buffalo and let's take the
show up a notch. Matt McChesney joins us. This is
Broncos Country Night KOAA fifty AM ninety four one FM.
(16:05):
Let's head on out to the KOA Common Spirit Health
Line and welcome to the show. Former CEU buff and
Denver Bronco owner of the six to zero Football Academy
and Recruiting and host of the Zero to sixty podcast,
Matt McChesney to the show.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Matt, how are you?
Speaker 5 (16:19):
What's happening? Guys? How are you on Wednesday evening?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
You know, it's a beautiful night here in Denver.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Nick and I have been having quite the fun evening
and we thought we'd talked a little bit of Broncos
with you.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
How about that?
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Let's do it?
Speaker 4 (16:32):
I like it all right.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So I know you were at the game on Sunday
and afterwards there was a there was a clip floating
around there on the interwebs. No audio to the visual
that happened, but it was a view from the Denver
Broncos huddle and maybe some perplexing looks that were taking
place during what I can only assume is some play calling.
Can you give me your initial thoughts on that, so
(16:54):
we can open this conversation up right.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Uh yeah, And I'm sure for will jump in on
this one too, because look, I played defense my entire
career in college, and I started my NFL career at
nose tackle, and I got moved offense in the middle
of my NFL career and I got handed the offensive
playbook and it was daunting, to say the least. So
I can only imagine. And that was a defensive head
(17:19):
coach in New York and hereon Eric Nangenie that really
tried to simplify things and just copy what they did
in New England. I don't imagine what Boone Nis is
going through mentally trying word. Sean Payton's just language on
top of the scheme. So I don't think it's just
him either. They're judging by what I saw on Sunday,
(17:40):
they look confused, They look out of sorts. The offensive
line looks slow footed, which means they're thinking before they
can just get up and play, and bo is just
like chasing a shadow. So I'm concerned. Man, that huddle
was That was ugly, And I know to the untrained
that it's like oh, well, they're just communicating. It looked
(18:03):
to me like everybody was asking what are we doing
and then they were like, oh yeah, I got it.
And usually on the football field, when a dude just
says I got it, you know he ain't got it
and he's gonna screw it up and the coaches are
getting yell at him. You're never going to, you know,
admit that you don't know what's going on on the field,
because they'll take it rep. So I'm pretty concerned. I
(18:24):
thought that that was a very telling video and I
almost liked it about the sound because it forces everybody
to really think about what's going on now.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Coach Sean Payton said after the game when he was
on with Dave Logan about trying to and this is
me paraphrasing, maybe trimming things down. And I don't know
if that is from a play call standpoint or just
the amount of plays that he goes in on his
call sheet. And we've seen those restaurant menu type of
call sheets now for season, coach like Sean Payton and
(18:56):
looking at where the offense is both from running the
running the ball, in the passing the I mean, what
could he do as an offensive coordinated. You kind of
really make things more concise so the players can go
out there and execute.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Man, this is a loaded question, but a good one. Look,
Sean Payton's obviously he's got tulps on the wall. He's
a super Bowl winning coach and all of that good stuff.
But for Bree, I mean, Steve was all with you earlier.
Everybody knows that you don't win without players. You don't
win without a quarterback. So you know, Sean without Drew Brees,
(19:31):
who is he really? You know Bill Belichick without Tom Brady,
who is he really? So everything has to come together perfectly.
And look, Sean Payton last year, he did this with Russ,
and he like would would throw Russ under the bus
at times, and look, he deserved to be thrown under
the bust of times, but he would throw him under
the bust of times talking about how you know they're
(19:52):
gonna try and dumb things down to speed him up.
And he's a twelve year vet or whatever. He is
a super Bowl winning quarterback. So again, with a rookie,
I always I always thought it was easier just to
simplify everything and you know, like one word code for
the play and have one kill call instead of three,
(20:14):
and you know, instead of like having him reiterate the
formation and blah blah blah blah blah all the way
down through the protection in the routes, you just have
one word. You walk up and say stallion, you know,
kill pink, you know, And if I say pink, that's
the kill, that's the killed color. And then we can
go stallion sixty four, you know, triple slant or something,
(20:37):
and that simplifies everything. We get to the land of
scrimts where he can actually start to process what he's
looking at because judging by what I saw Sunday, he
was walking up late and not getting really a chance
to look at what Pittsburgh was doing. And they weren't
doing anything crazy. They're just good. So I'd like to
see him just you know, like one word easy. You know,
(21:01):
everybody remember your job quarterback. Obviously you have to remember everything.
But does he need to really repeat does it need
to be a repeat game, Like does it need to
be super complex like Seom Payton. Is he being like
miked every week or something. Is it a documentary where
he needs to sound smart or does he just want that?
(21:22):
Like is he trying to get his flowers that he's
the smartest sense of mind in history. Or is he
going to acclimate too, because he's sure as hell is
asked the fan base and the owners and the media
and everybody to change the way they do things in
Denver to fit him. So I wonder if Shampaign's going
to change the way he does things in Denver to
(21:43):
fit the players and the scheme and like the ability
to go win a football game. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Absolutely, So you're talking about the first initial steps to
get bicks back and rolling. It's going to take a
little bit of a hit here, though, as Mike McGlinchey
goes on IR with a minimum of a four week
sit out there, it does look like Garrett Bowles is
going to be okay. However, I've got some questions about
the depth and the current play of the offensive line.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
What are you seeing from the O line? How do
the Broncos address it?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
And is it that in the kind of rearview mirror
for seeing Bonix find some success here?
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Ooh boyglitty being out, I'm not going to say it's
like we're gonna get any worse. I mean to pay
the guy eighty five million dollars or one hundred and six.
Maybe Powers got eighty five. I can't really remember, but
he's I think he's been a severe disappointment at right tackle.
I mean last year he was voted to captain. This
(22:37):
year they did not vote him captain. Again, that says something.
I just that offensive line is paid. Bulls is paid,
Miners is paid, Powers is paid. The center is a
league minimal guy, but git, he's paid. When are they
going to start playing like it? It's not on it's
(22:58):
not on constraints. I meanmore, I mean, you played in
the NFL for fifteen years. When are the men up
front on the Denver Bronco offensive line going to play
football the way that they're capable of? So something good
can happen for the backs, for the receivers and for
the young quarterback. I mean, that should be the strong
point of this team, and again it's its weakest link.
(23:19):
I mean, Garrett Balls and McGlinchey, and again I know
that I'm hardcore and I'm mean and all this stuff,
but they were atrocious onset. They were terrible. So when
you wear white, you usually give up. And that's what
I saw at home with the Broncos wearing white. And
giving up on Sunday on the offensive line.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Well, this down the offensive line for a second, because
Bri and I was talking about this, because yeah, you're right,
the offensive line, they are really paid. But except for
the center position, it is just a case or am
I too far gone to even make the statement of
saying the Broncos miss Lloyd Cushionberry at the center position.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
I think they do. I think they missed Connor McGovern win.
Lloyd got there. I think you know, like they draft guys,
they let them develop into good players, and then they
just let them leave. And you know, for a franchise
that had Tom Nayland forever, like, it's not a coincidence
that Tom Naland was a mainstay and the offensive why
(24:18):
was always good when he was there. That's not just
something that happens. It's not because of the franchise. It's
because of Tommy. So you know, he was he was
the glue guy. And usually your center has to be that.
So even at the high school that I coach at,
our center is our smallest player, but he's the smartest guy,
and he's the glue. And if Birch isn't out there
(24:38):
doing this thing, then we're in trouble. So I just
I don't understand why they don't build from the inside
out on the offensive. Why obviously they have a left
tackle that's serviceable. But I mean, I've had this conversation
with people who are like, you think Derrick Bowles is
a real favor, and I'm like, are you out of
your mind? What is the standard for Ring of Fame anymore?
(24:58):
He's never even been in a playoffs game. So the
offensive line, in my opinion, is severely underachieving. And it
doesn't seem to me like they I'm not saying they
don't care. I mean, where is the fight. Like the
home opening, they came out and got absolutely dominated by Campaig,
who is a Hall of Famer by TJ. Watt, he's
(25:19):
a freak. I mean, high Smith ate him alive. They
couldn't walk the linebackers, they couldn't pick up the glitzes,
they had no push in the run game, and they
struggled in Seattle as well. And look, I don't know
if anybody's noticed, but when the Broncos go on the
road in Florida, like in September and October, bad things happened.
So I thought at Tampa. I'm sure they're gonna you know,
(25:42):
Vida A at no stack was no scrub. So I
hope that the interior three bring their lunch trail. And
Clint Myners just got broke off a huge contract and
he deserves every penny, but he needs to play to
a standard that he leads the other four now instead
of just being the guy plays hard, you know, and
and it's going for a contract. You got the money
(26:05):
you got to see on your chest. Are you going
to be the leader of these five? Or are you
going to keep looking at the two tackles that like
essentially helped you into the league and it helped you,
you know, mature to the player you are. Are they
still the leaders and you're just wearing the seat? So
I need to see a lot out of the offensive
line this week. Man, it's all on them. If they
can't go to Tampa and play well, we have absolutely
(26:26):
no chance of winning this game.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
That's not exactly what I wanted to hear, but I
think you're right. Talking to Matt McChesney zero to sixty,
you had a great quote, I'm going to switch gears
here and go to another Colorado team. You had a
quote from your show a couple of weeks ago, and
it was even featured on the ESPN broadcast for the
Colorado Buffalo Is. It went something like, if Shador doesn't
have to do everything, he can do anything. Are the
Buffs leaning into this mantra? Is that going to bode
(26:50):
well for Shador's success?
Speaker 5 (26:52):
Look? I liked what I saw on Saturday, and you
know all it's all the Colorado State fans listening and
all the people that picked against the you why'd you
pick CSU if they're not any good? Now? To see
you beat them? So that's my first thing. Number two,
I think the Door is an elite talent. I mean
he had to throw the other night to Wester that
(27:14):
was an lways throw like it looked like you know
when John put his foot in the ground in Cleveland
and rocketed the ball to Mark Jackson, Mark Jackson and
I'm not kidding, don't watch it. It's between three rams
and it was a dot. So I think when you
hit him, which they chief shot at him again in
this game, it just pissed him off and he went
for four tutties. I think he's got I think he's
(27:35):
pretty special. When he supported and Look, everybody can have
their opinion of old Patty boy patch over, but he
he did change and they did run the ball for
one hundred and nine yards and it was you know, again,
whatever narrative you want to feed into, you can. But
that's vast improval from the first two weeks and last season.
(27:56):
So I feel really strong, you know, provement week in
and week out. And not only is Shador being supported
by Travis Hunter, who I mean, have you ever seen
anyone like twelve in your entire life?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
No?
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Wait, the only person I've seen like like twelve is
twenty four at Champ Bailey.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
That's it. And they don't make many of those guys.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
And like even Charles Woodson, like Charles was good on offense,
and Prime was good on offense, and Champ played some offense,
but they didn't just play every play every game. So
I mean, Travis is a unicorn. And when you have
that kind of support and your offensive lands playing better,
and then all of a sudden, you got this defense
that's just flying around and tattooing people and causing turnovers
(28:43):
and you know, only giving up twelve points in three
games in the second half all year. That says to
me that they are getting better and Boulder the guys
are buying into the culture and the community that coach
prime Is has preached that he's building that he is,
you know, and look, a hater can find a fault
(29:03):
in anything, but it's it's hard to stay the course
and the entire world tells you you're wrong, but you
know you're right. And I really think that people in
Boulder really hold onto your ass because this is going
to get pretty fun. Man should or special.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Well, speaking of Shador really really quickly. I know everyone
made a huge deal after the game of Shaudor and
not shaken Nicolosi's hand, And I know I want your viewpoint,
and I'm asking you this question because I know you're
not going to give me the bias buff a lum answer.
But did you look at it the same way that oh,
(29:39):
there's a problem and he's not shaking hands and he's
supposed to be somewhat sportsmanship and that's not good sportsmanship.
How did you look at that?
Speaker 5 (29:47):
I wouldn't have shaken nikolosis sand either, no way, especially
with how much he ran his mouth, how much Horton
ran his mouth, knowing that they're dirty, cheap play that
they do with CSU. This is the way they've all
always played. They've got to play dirty in order to
try and win, like last year, like that again, like
they did again this year. I mean does it's like
(30:08):
the CSU faithful in the country for God that Horton
and Nicolosi sat on you know, on social media and
on TV and talked about we're gonna murder these guys.
We all been revenge. We'll see what eleven to eleven
sounds like Instagram followers don't get you, that get you
this and the whole game. Nicolosi was just talking trash
while he was getting merked, by the way, So I
(30:29):
wouldn't have shook his hand either, And I got no
problem with your door not shaking his hand and tell
him telling him what it is. This. Look, there's a
thing called sportsmanship that is true, but sportsmanship goes out
the door in a rivalry games that's heated where we
don't like each other. Like I have no love lost
for CSU or their fans at all. I think that
they're the dirtiest program in college football, and I'm going
(30:50):
to continue to reiterate that. And I like dirty stuff,
like I'm with it, I'm with it. And if I'm
saying that, if I'm saying that they're dirt, oh that's bad.
So all I'm saying is Shador had every right to
say what's on his mind. And I don't look at
this like it's a negative. Any general manager or head
(31:11):
coach that looks at Saint Door and goes, that's not
the quarterback I want, because he's not a sportsman. I
look at him and go, that is exact dude I want.
He's a dog, He's only about his team. He doesn't
care what anybody thinks. He he competes better after they
hit him. He's clutching two minutes. His percentage, his completed
percentage is through the roof. He makes good decisions, and
(31:33):
he's tough and like he doesn't back down from any
challenge ever, and he's not afraid to tell you about it.
And that sounds to me like his dad. So you
just you don't. Sometimes you got to understand that you
don't saddle the mustang. You just kind of let him
go do the thing.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
As a coach, quick sixty seconds from you, what's the
message to the team as they head into homecoming week?
Beyond as significant big matchups approach.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
Look, do your job, you know, don't get too high
about the CSU twenty four hour rule, the same way
you didn't get too low about losing the brasket, which
was necessary. It exposed flaws that were fixed. Now be
able to look at the Colorado State film as if
you lost and fix the flaws that are on the field,
so you can play a much better Baylor team. You're
(32:23):
better than that. You should be at home on national TV.
Whether it's rain, sleep, snow, or hail, it doesn't matter.
We play them in a parking lot. Who cares lock
the gates on the Bears and with that ass so
the UCF game means something. And then you're going into
the bye week with Kansas State on deck, so the
tune in the country will change as soon as you
(32:43):
start playing them like a fiddle. And that's what coach
Prime does to the media. So it's not for the
team to start doing it to college football. So I mean, look,
this is an opportunity for all of them to keep
going building their own brand on the foundation of the
University of Colorado, which nope, it is very strong these
days to say the least. So I'm excited for Saturday.
(33:05):
Then I can't wait. Nick is my son. Nick got
invited up as a recruit, So we'll get there on
Saturday night and it's gonna be awesome. I'll bring my
umbrella just in case.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
For the downpour.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Thanks for your time this evening, Matt, I have yourself
a great rest of your night and go buffs. Mat
McChesney legendary buff hosts a zero to sixty pod. Check
him out over there on YouTube Coollum six to zero Academy.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
We'll react to Matt up next.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
Broncos Country tonight at KA eight fifty am ninety four
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