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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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looking forward to that because we always get the NFL
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NFL six pack.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
That'll be fun later on five six.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
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the Denver Broncos. I'm not sure who's leading the charge
on that right now for the thousand dollars, and I'm
not eligible. Otherwise I would I'd be putting my name
up there.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Why are you trying to brag? That's what I do.
You just try to slide that in like I don't
know who's leading the challenge. Look, I do who's leading
the challenge?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
That's right, be me?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yes, anyone out there listening to Ben at any point
anytime he leads on anything with I don't know. Yes,
he knows, and it's probably so that's his way of
kind of easing you into it.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Look, the football is not gonna spike itself, all.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Right, apparently not. Now here's what I want to know.
I haven't looked at the numbers as of yet, and
I know maybe what a week or two weeks ago,
you and Ryan Nevers had this I don't know this,
this beef where you were breaking your arm patting yourself
on a back bit because I think you beat him,
not just in fantasy, but you also beat him as
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far as it's.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
A unity and to pick him challenge. That continues to
be the case.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Oh, that continues to be the case.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Continues to be the case.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
In fact, I beat Jeff Johnson by an even larger
margin in fantasy football this this past weekend.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Even I'm even afraid to even ask this question.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
It was like eighty points. It was like an eighty
I beat him by eighty. I almost scored two hundred
on him.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Interesting, he had a joker going and Joko got two
touchdowns in that on Monday night and it didn't matter.
And it didn't matter your tight end goes for two touchdowns,
which you normally that's that's one of those things where
you're like, oh, I got two touchdowns at of my time, Yeah, Tin,
I got two touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That it still wasn't even close.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Now I'm wondering who he had on his roster. I
mean it was a decent roster.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
It was like Jalen Hurts his quarterback in he had,
I mean he had a good he had a good roster.
I just everybody went off for the second week in
a row.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
For me, that's the one thing about fantasy is that
you really don't know is kind of unpredictably, even though
everyone tries to predict it. Because did you ever know a
guy gets injured, like who would have had them?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
That who I had on my team?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Right? Like I was playing in this this fantasy football
league against just a bunch of NFL players, But when
McCaffrey got injured, it put me in a nice spot.
And the person I was playing had the Broncos defense,
and I was ahead, you know, looked like a clear
out front win with about I don't know, three minutes
remaining in the game, and then Jakwa McMillan got the
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pick six and it just killed the fourth it's given
for me, just crushed it at Yeah, I'm you.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Some people trying to pretty other things, like what Nick
Ferguson's gonna wear into the studio. But I don't think
anybody had you rolling in here with. And I don't
even know what color those sweatpants are. Is a a lilac,
a lavender? Or are we almost in a periwinkle?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I don't have to know. It's not periwinkle. Is more
of a lilac? Okay, right, a lilac.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
This is too light for amethyst.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
But you know, I know, yes it.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Is Ryan and Rick Lewis They trying.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
To say it was Pink's pink like Zach, this is
not pink at all. You're just trying to get me
to come on here and say I'm colorblind again.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I did not know you were color BLA did you
say that before?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
When you asked me during the break, I went, I
can't be the tiebreaker here. I'm color blind. Are you
really color blood?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Like red green?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Color blind? No?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
No, no, it's uh, that's fine gray. No, it's not
all gray. But I'm I'm missing slices of the pie.
I like to if you can picture the color wheel,
I'm missing some slice of the pie in there.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Okay. I wonder what would like corrective context or anything
like that. Would that help.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I'm wondering if he has like some kind of superpower
like Daredevil. You know, he's blind and now he's a
radar vision you know, superpowers.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
They're Breaklet's take him on.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
The you can fly the break. We'll test that on first.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
No he's like, no, no, not that, not at all.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Oh my goodness, you can't even those sweatpants and rhymes
like they're painting. I'm like, maybe Ryan's color bly What
did this?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Hey man? Maybe too many punk spice lattes.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I guess that's somewhere between.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I swear that's somewhere between mav and periwinkles, mauve and periwinkle.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I'm just trying to show I haven't a purple. I know,
I haven't heard those colors in a while. I had
saw your pants.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Wow, like it's too light for an orchid, but but
too dark for a lavender.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
So what if I would have come in with these
pants and they would have been but dads, with which
one would you've seen first?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
All of it, the whole show with the a bunch
of pants at that point, which with mercifully we won't
do other people here Broncos coming off a big win
on London Night Football. There were moments in that game,
I guess where maybe it got a little bit like
but really it felt like the Broncos were firmly in
control in that game. We did get the full Jamis
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Winston experience. We got Jerry Judy to show up and
do sixteen percent of his NFL production his entire career,
sixteen percent of his NFL production has been in the
last thirty six days.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Well, you know, here's what I tell Ryan Embers yesterday,
because being in the game, you heard back and forth
arguments some for some agains as it pertains to Judy,
And I know that's kind of the narrative, like why
wasn't Judy playing like this? What it was a member
of the Denver Broncos. There's so many things that kind
of go into it, right, how that player is being
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utilized and just by chance there was no Omari Cooper
like Cedric Tillman concussion, he was out with the concussion.
So Jerry Judy became the premiere wide receiver. And but
he basically show the type of receiver that he is.
I mean when he came out of Alabama, this kind
of he's transparent here. He was a hell of wide
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receiver and great routes, explosive routes, deep routes. You nick
every route on the roud tree there that a guy
like Jerry Judy could run. So he didn't just come
here and just forget things. Now. Yeah, do I know
that he had the case of the drops, but it
wasn't as big as people magnified it to be because
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when you look at that particular year, he had about
five drops and he wasn't actually leading the NFL. I
think it was either Deontay Johnson, who is being suspended.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
By the Baltimore Ravens will get to another.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Story and Tyreek Hill right. But once again, he just
he just showed and displayed what he can do. And
for me, I know he's playing against the Denver Broncos,
I was happy for him a player to player because
I know what he's he's gone through both as a
player on and off the field.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
For me, like the thing was, I mean, be boot
Jerry Judy if you want whatever.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
But the start of that Jerry Judy sucks chanting in
the fourth quarter, I was like, that's like the one
chance we can't get away with right now, Guys, he
just dropped two thirty five at a tuddy on us
and he's still going and we're on you're talking about
Jerry Judy sucks. I don't think we can say that.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
No, no, obviously, it's one of the things that you
try to do, especially for a guy returning back to
where everything started for him. He tried every single thing
to try to get it within the framework between his
two years, try to get disrupt him in some particular way,
because we know Jerry's a very passionate guy and we've
seen it before and sometimes when he gets aggravated and frustrated,
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sometimes he plays outside of himself, which is a detriment
to him and his athletic ability. And that was where
the home crowd at U in power Field, that's what
they were trying.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
To do well, and they were, you know, they were
a little miffed.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I think that Jerry was talking a mess leading up
to the game, but I got to like, I gotta
take my cap Jeredjy. He talked all that smack and
then he walked in and backed it up. Hey, you
know what, hold his L on the right home but
almost took the cap to the performance.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, we're real recognized world that I know on social media,
that was kind of the response. Well, yeah, you did
all that, and you should have done that here and
you suck and all of this and take that L
on the way. But once again, the way I look
at it, I always look at it from an evaluateor standpoint,
and also a guy who played the game, and you
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know that was that was great to see Jerry go
out there because it elevated the state of the game itself.
He made it more exciting. Here's a guy you drafted
and you were trying to develop things that work out.
He's coming back. He said some things before the game
on social media. Whatever, let's see if he's gonna do
that today, and oh, by the way, look at what
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he's doing, and yeah he did, and then something Yes,
I totally got people.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
That are like, well it's Levi Wallace bro If it's
easy to get to thirty five on a backup corner
in the NFL. Everybody be get two thirty five on
a backup corner in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Well, I'm glad that you said that, because I would
employ everyone to go back and watch the game, because
it wasn't one of those things where Jared just did
that against Levi Wallace. And I know Levi Wallace is
taking it on the chin and could he have played better. Absolutely,
But if you go back and watch the game and
you dissect certain plays, you'll see that it wasn't just
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Levi Wallace. Now, his confidence was a little shot, a
little You can tell it through the game, right, right,
based on body language, right, But I can tell you
because I went back and I watched the film. There
was some breakdowns and communication and you're like, well, started
with the first playing that that shouldn't happen. Started with
the first play.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
First play the game, Browns were on offense.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Patrick Tas standing over there on one side by himself
with two receivers, throwing his hands up looking like, hey,
somebody's supposed to be over here, and if Judy hadn't
gone back in motion the other direction, since Ham would
have said, They're like, I gotta pick my poison here.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Yeah, and once again, that's kind of one of the
more frustrating and I know the coaching staff is frustrated
with that part and that aspect of it, because you've
been in the system for a while, You've been participating
in practicing with your teammates, you know, for twelve thirteen
odd weeks, and you go through the adjustments all week long.
And the biggest thing is, and I know this, man,
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because I've been there before, where we're playing against Kansas
City and for some reason, this is a TV time out.
I believe on Monday Night football, all of a sudden,
everything that was crammed in my head that I learned
that week it disappeared. And I was in a full
panic because I'm looking at John and I asked John,
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I said, what's to play? He told me to play.
Five seconds later, I asked him, hey, man, what's the call?
And I did this until the ref. You know, you
always see that guy on the side with the orange
other mist calling time out TV time out, and once
they blew the whistle, it all came back. Yeah, it
all came back. I don't know what what happened at
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that moment. Yeah, I had a moment where all of
it is like going into your house and you didn't
pay the light bill, so.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Around in the dark and got your white sweatpants on.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
No, no, stop it looking for you.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
That that's like that. It's like that shade of purple.
It's like thistle. It's right there in between, like lilac
and periwinkle thistle, which weirdly you want to We're talking
about weird factoids that I know. During the break, I
still remember the hexadecimal color for thistle.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
It's d e b fd eight.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Every codeer out there listening right now is like, he's right,
you know what.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Here's once again we were talking about this before Ryan
and Rick Lewis left the studio. I mean then is
full of random information that leaves you like, what the hell? Right?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I was fast in there, we could we should are.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Talking about man. When I was a kid, here's the
time of Syria. I used to love it. I used
to love you to front and flakes, and then banners
started telling you about frost.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Flakes were invented by Seymour.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yes, this is like what in nineteen thirteen because when
the soldiers were coming back home, they needed a fool
I'm no man, no, just but these are the random
type of information that you fill the airwidth sometimes.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well I'm not in it's air force.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Okay. I'm not saying that that's a bad thing, right
because I'm always willing to learn. But I'm just saying
that you're just filled with random information. It's like you
need to go on a game show, really need to
go right now for you.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
What Superhero made frosted flakes then called sugar frosted flakes popular?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
What Superhero made frosted flakes then sugar front fla called
sugar frost flakes.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
They dropped that from the from the title as it's
kind of redundant anyway, I guess. But what superhero mad
A popular superhero was the Superman. They were the advertiser
on the on the radio of the Adventures of Superman
for the radio show. Yeah listen, nice, I love that.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I wonder if the sugar was like kryptonite to Superman
because there was a lot of sugar.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It was like kryptonite for people's teeth that it was.
They are I love it, SPROSSI play So I used
to I don't eat sugar in the morning anymore.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Turned out to oh, I'm sorry. I don't eat sugar
in the morning, only in the morning.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Rest of the day, it's fair five six six zero.
There's a lot I want to get to about this game.
I think Levi Wallace this is a little unfairly maligned.
There are some things about that that I think, I
wonder why weren't we using them? Mathis in between the
twenties and in areas where long speed was necessary and
it was clear that Levi does not have the long
speed to be doing that. Uh, you could put him
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down there in the red zone where he doesn't have
to where he doesn't travel with a guy like that,
But using in between the twenties where people were running
crossers and dragging him all over the field, and I'm like,
he's not fast enough to be able to do the same.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Well, well, here's the thing with that is that going
back watching the game, obviously for me, Levi's eyes could
have been better. And it wasn't just Levi's eyes. I mean,
there's a number of guys that I can say, well
who had bad eyes and had bad technique. But on
that explosive play from Jerry Judy, what it looked like
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it was man across the board and looking at Jerry split,
which he was in a cut split, so usually you
can't get inside, so you have to go, you know,
split the man. Well, whereas down the middle where you're
gonna be a little outside because if he runs a
speed cut, you're gonna be able to drive to it.
But it makes you accept susceptible to any short or
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deep ross because you were in Chase Mo and what
took place. It was like when you look at the safety,
you say, okay, well you saw two tight ends over there.
You saw Brandon Jones and PJ Lot and both one
of those tight ends was just like at five yards.
So for me, it didn makes sense to kind of
try to ife him from five yards from death. Stay
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in a minute of the field. Yeah, show you got
middle clothes, because if you don't have middle clothes, that's
where they're gonna go, right, And that's kind of by design.
And when I saw that, and I also saw Levi pedaling.
When he started to pedal and he started to open up,
he had a fatal flaw. His fatal flaw was he
take his eyes off of Judy to stay on the
top and peep. And when he peeked back, Jack took
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off and with no safety in the middle of the field,
all Jamie's had to do is throw it to the
right hats and boom, you just run underneath.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And and Levi, I mean, you know, bless his hard,
but he can't run trail technique anymore.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Like he just doesn't. You're not, especially you're looking at
the backroom saying you don't have your key.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
You doesn't have to catchup gear anymore that you know
that you probably had ten years ago. Uh and and
so like that's that's I mean, he said about a
thirty six year old corner. So I leave Walla's been
run league a long time. All due respect to Levi Wallas,
who had an accomplished career, like you don't there are
certain things you can't do anymore. Well even you know,
it was like it was like it's like Kajak was
trying to play that. You know, he was at the
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two high zone and the games the Ravens and he's
playing with extreme outside leverage and then Hollywood Brown's just
went right in the middle line and you're like, bro,
you don't have to catchup.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Speed for that anymore.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Well, once again, this is where for me break down
the communication comes into play play recognition, knowing as though, okay, well,
Judy was already being fed in that particular game. But
more importantly, this is for everyone in the secondary. I
would say, here's a guy who has a hot hand.
He's in the minus split. Right. There was only two
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guys who Jamis was really throwing to on a consistent
basis in Djoku and Jared and Jerry. So the first
time you see him in the minus split, why is
he in the minus split? Right? He's trying to get
over to the opposite side. Now if he doesn't cross
the tracks the hash marks in the first three steps,
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he's going vertical, right, He's going vertical. But at the
same time, you can't lose sight of your guy when
you're playing any type of zone or you're playing man, come,
you just can't do it.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
But if you go to peak peak and go don't
sit there and stare back into that backfield and you
know it's it's and I've been there before, man, so
I know because you go to look because you see
a guy.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Breaking, So you're thinking the ball is gonna come right now,
and almost like a malt to flame, it's like attracted
being you just locked on a quarterback and you're just
watching him the entire time, and your body goes somewhat
numb to a point where you're moving, but you stop
moving because your eyes are locked and fixated on him.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
But your brain's all your brain's looking back to your
body's on all a pipe.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Why the hell's receiver? And that's kind of what happened
to him in that position. But I still hold true
to this, even though you may have a middlefield safety
and you may be playing man coverage. If your coverage
is a tight end and he's running a five yard
out one, if the quarterback wanted to get it there,
you already beat because you're in the middle of the field.
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So you might might as well play top down, hold that,
and then let the quarterback bring you down.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
There's there's when we can get to a lot of
these the minutia of.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
The coverages and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
There were some there was some negatives out there, you know,
and I know I fed into that a little bit
making jokes about you know, there had been a white
Broncos missed this much since the police were out looking
for al callings and you know, firing these jokes off.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
But it's somehow, somehow that is Uh, I knew that
was going to be a Busman all Bright reference between
the Broncos and a white Bronco. I didn't even know it.
He's like, yep, he can.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
He's down on the field, he said, puts one finger
up in the air.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
He's like, Ben just made no j joke.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
It's sure did. But to your point, it does say
how much that Raleigh Moss actually developed to be a
part of his defense when at the very beginning of
the season, the question was like, well, who was going
to play opposite PS two was going to be the
mars d Maari Matthews, whether it was going to be
Riley or where there was going to be Levi.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Wallace and Riley Moss won that job, and now we
all understand. Now you understand what he means to that defense.
Chris Abrams train got to get in. Uh got to
get his head in the game quick because if Riley's
out for an extended period of time, he's going to
be the guy really really quickly.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
This should, if for nothing else, let people know that
you can't pass judgment on a particular player or anyone
based on the visual when you look at them. Oh, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
That's part of the reason I make these jokes is
because it's funny. You know, if you could play you
could play it like Jordan Nelson was fast fast. He
wasn't white fast, he was fast fast, you know. And
so that's that's kind of sort of the thing. That's
the reason I make these kind of jokes. And we
have that kind of fun here on the show Broncos
Country that I got to hit a commercial break. We'll
be back after this. How many times in a row?
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Is it's too many to run the play? If it's working,
there isn't a number. If they can't stop it, keep running, Thank.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
You, Thank you. That cool. What answer to the question?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
There is no nothing in the NFL rule, But you
know what you've run that we can't run anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
No, listen, man, I watched football on the collegiate level
and in the pro level, and you watch teams a
banding plays and it's just like, I don't understand if
the defense can't stop it, and for some reason the
guys on the defensive side are not communicating, and the
players there, you keep running the freaking play until they
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fix what they're doing you don't go you know what, Yeah,
let's go run something, go do something else. No, No,
it's just like Ben. You know, I've never played any
like football type game against Ben. I played against my son,
and I won't do that again. But it's one of
those things. It's why your philosophy, which I think absolutely sucks,
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actually works. And it's one of the reasons I think
it sucks because you're running the ball, and so we're
gonna keep running the ball until you stop it. Make
me stop, make me throw it does, make me throw it.
And if they can't do it, what seeds to help
them out? I'm not I'm not changing to help them out.
So then video game philosophy.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
And then the moment they load the box, they take
away your triple option, play what do you do?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
You hit them over the top?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Play action judge, but play action fly. Literally, that's the
receiver on the left hand side, who's gonna be who's
gonna be the fastest receiver I got on the team
is running the go ball.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I'm just gonna hit them. Why why why is it
that some play callers make it so hard, so difficult.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
It's it's a it's an epidemic in the NFL where
guys want to were out smart themselves.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I've watched guys just outsmart themselves.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Well, okay, so you say it's epidemic, So there's got
to be a cure. There's got to be a cue.
Stick to the basics. Stick to the basics.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Stick to the basics, Shane, let's see you now, is
it John Voyt who's like he says that as you
slapping him mid day? It was the varsity bluest Blues.
Stick to the base, stick to the Shane Steichen, is
this you know, super hyped up young offensive mind. His
big revolution in Philly was largely we're just gonna keep spain.
I mean, these plays until you prove you can stop
it pretty much and share. And you know, honestly, it
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was like that when he was in with he was
as the Chargers too. You have the best out of
you know, find what works for my quarterback, and then
we're gonna run those four or five six plays until.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
You guys got it. That sounds so logically when you
say it sounds so logically, so simplistic.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, you got guys that are like I can't repeat
anything ever, because I can't be predictable in this situation, bro,
I was predictable as possible. This is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Come get me.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Then guys are gonna out execute your dudes.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Hell with predictability, the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Is everybody that comes off that same tree.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Though it comes off that and you know it comes.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
From it comes off that Mike Holgran tree. All the
guys that were all the guys that were there, all
the guys that were Philly together, Sean Payton, John Gruden,
all those guys that all had this. I can't be predictable.
I got to be within a certain number of plays
of doing this and this. Gruden had the plus or
minus three with the runs. He would never go a
certain number of plays without getting back to balanced.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
That was during his first ten years head coach. Sean Payden.
I can never repeat the same thing. I've got to
be so I gotta be unpredictable. So nobody ever has.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
But that's not being unpredictable. That's being predictable, is it not?
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Well, it just means it's being chaotic in a lot
of ways. I don't know that that adds value. I
don't know that's an add value, like like, Okay, you got.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
It, you have it.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
You don't have tendencies because you've created this bizarre setup
where you air quotes, don't have tendencies, but you know,
you want people to think you have tendencies.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
You bait them into thinking you're going to do.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Something, and you take advantage of it. That's sort of
how it works.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
But Ben, that is in reality, still a tendency. The
tendency is to okay, whoa if you know, okay, well
there's a successful play. If you're a defensive coordinator, you're
telling your guys, guess what, we might not see that
play again. That was successful.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, but we might we not going to see it again.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Right, But so so you've already shown your hand because
there's a tendency. There's a Lindy Scout report that's that
says it.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Right, right, you don't, everybody, don't.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Let's figure it out.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
All those guys that were there in Philly again, all
those guys that were on that thing, they all have
that same mindset that about it.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I can't be I can't be predictable.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
It's everybody on the versus the Shanahan mindset, which is like,
we're just gonna we're gonna have to XK, We're gonna
line it up. This is what we're gonna do it.
If you stop that, we'll find something else. But this
is what we're gonna do. And those are the two
schools of thought in the NFL right now. I mean
you think about it. Everybody that came off the you know,
the Andy Reach chump, everybody came off that tree is
doing that. And then everybody that came off the Shanahan
trees just doing the other.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Because for me, the mindset was always when I when
I play, was that we're gonna keep running it until
they stop in and from a defensive standpoint, if you
saw it in Week one on the Devas side of
the ball and you did not stop it, you're gonna
see it every week in the NFL in some shape,
form or fashion until you're able to stop it. That's
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the name of the game. If if you are playing
quarters and for some reason, your safeties in your corners
can't get on the same page. Where when a guy
runs a shallow route and another guy runs a pose
and they can't differentiate, you know who takes what. You
gonna continue to see that route until you stop it.
Just like if you play man coverage a lot, you're
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gonna see a lot of man beat a rouse and
unless you fix your communication execution, you gotta see it again.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And like I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I'm okay with I want people to think that I
have tendency. So it's like playing poker. I want people
to think that I have tell so that I you
know what I do when I need that what I
need you to believe that I'm telling you something I
can use that. It's the same thing in football. I
need you to believe that I have a tendency. I
need you to believe that I'm going to do this
on third down. This is what I'm so that you're
defending that instead of what I really want to do.
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And this is where for me and this, I can
only speak on what I know and what I've seen.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
This is where both Mike and Kyle would just genius
is because they will run and play and this is
say whether that play hit for five yards or eight yards,
at some point in that same quarter, maybe another quarter,
you're going to see that same formation. So defensively, you
know you're saying to yourself, here it comes again. They're
about to run the same play that they ran in
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quarter two and quarter to three. But guess what, it's
a different reco Yeah, we're just showing you the same
thing but doing something different. And this is where you
manipulate the defense because they are watching this Scott report
and trying to get your tendencies.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah and that.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
But that's what I'm trying to do, is I'm trying
to manipulate them back with that, you know what I mean?
Like I I I don't want to be predictable, but
I want to be predictably predictable in the sense that
I want to lay things out that you think are predictive, Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Is what I'm gonna do on third down this play.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I'm gonna open them with this, you know, so that
you're defending those kinds of things so I can attack
you where I really want to attack you. And I'm
okay with running the same play three or four to
If Julia mcgloughlin is getting eight eight yards a chunk,
give it to them, I'm gonna keep giving it to them.
I don't have to get back to passing the ball.
If you can't stop him doing it, you can't stop
you know, A guy who makes work done look like
Derrick Henry, then I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Keep rod of it. But see, that's a great thing
about the backs that the Broncos have. Depending on who
you're playing week to week, you you want to use
all utilize all your backs. Let me sorry's let me
back up and say that, but there may be a
bet that that is hitting well in that particular game.
He's spot on with everything that you're calling and in
that mond of that game, going back and watching it,
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Jalil did a great job of slicing and cutting the
defense and setting up his box, hiding behind those blockers
because he's a speedy guy, but he's not that massive
of a man where you can see him right away.
So you're looking and it's almost like a trying to
find Smuckler or Darris bros. As a defender, you get
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caught looking. So that gives the offensive lineman the second
level of defenders an opportunity to climb up and grab you.
And once they grab you, it's over. It's over. And
he did a great job, and I was expecting. I
wanted more to see from Julil that game.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I think the one thing that I love about Julia
that we started to see more of in that game
is he's not out running, he's blocking anymore. He used
to use that speed, especially between the tackles, and he
would just outrun his blocking.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
You used to see it.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I try to give you an example of running back
to did that and got better later on with Michael Pitman. Right,
remember Michael Pivott early in his career in one gear
it was all the way Title of the Metal. He
never never was patient enough to let the blocking set
up when he was in Tampa. Then he turns around
later on his career wildly successful once he learned how
to let that blocking set up.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Well, I'll give you one that he is closer to home,
Clint Porters.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Well, port has had a lot of speed and athleticism,
and then between Bobby Turner and Alex Gibbs, they had
to kind of calm him down. They'll tell him, amen,
set that up. Once they set it up, now.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
You go keep it in second gear until you know,
until the block he sets up and then hit a
turbo button. And so that's yeah, that's that was something
that was good to see out of Jalil in that game.
I do want to get into a little bit of
uh BO. I want to get into Nick Benito, who
the defensive Player of the year. Odds are still ridiculously high.
If you want to put a wagering ticket in on that,
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I got it at plus ten thousand. It's at plus
five thousand right now for defensive Player of the Year Benito,
who has what two more sacks than TJ Watt an
additional interception which, by the way, was a pick six.
I think think Bedea should be the Fensis player year conversation.
So we'll get into that here in just a few
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Speaker 2 (29:26):
Then I will be out there getting myself a new phone.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I am.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I not a shocking revelation there.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I don't know, do I stick with the Android? Did
you know the adult phone? Or do I go back
to a child's phone get an iPhone? I mean, you've
made it such a big part of your personality at
this point. I feel like you've got to stick with
the Android. You know? But who says I can't change?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
You know?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
You might be trying to look to try and get younger.
You know, that could be something you I am getting
into that and getting to a certain age. I do
drive a certain car that might be that might be something.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Are you a gambling man's act? I am?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I am at times five six sixpers a text line?
Speaker 3 (30:03):
So so, so what would you be willing to wager
on Ben actually changing now? Zero?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
He's not changing his way.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
He would only do it if he was involved with
the wages and he's to gain an enormous from That
would be the only reason he would be convinced that.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
James, what are you willing to put up that I
will not change my phone? I'm not betting anything on this.
It's it's ultimately a bet about how much do I
want to pay Ben to keep any how much do
I want to pay him to.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Quicker than yourbody? Else?
Speaker 2 (30:37):
He catches a way than the other ones.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Is all you have to do is just listen to
how Ben Pras is staying and he will let you know.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
That was like when Pegana was trying to bet me
on Uh was he trying to bet me?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I'm trying to remember what it was now.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Oh, I wish I could remember what that thing was.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I was like Celtics.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
No, this was something about some something.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Man, I'll have to go back. I'll go back and
figure out. But yeah, he wanted to bet me on something.
I was like, I will absolutely take that wager, and
he kept looking at me, like what do.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
You know here that I.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Of course, I will let you know that you should
not either.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
There will details that you should not bet me.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Then has some insight on something. He's going He's going
to be overwhelmingly excited about taking your money.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I will let you know, like, just don't. Yeah, you
don't want to put money on that. You just you
just don't. So do we want to talk about the
Johnny Boullenville.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
And we just skipped that.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
You guys can figure that out from the internet. I
don't want to get into the commentary on that.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
That's he's my only comment to that. He left me
shocked as a person that got a chance to know
him being around the Broncos organization as a young man.
Like I told you when when you told me about it,
I was like, I don't I don't recognize this person.
I don't even know who this person is.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, he's I mean, he's had a string of incidents
dating back while I don't know what else to call it.
I mean, you know, embarrassing moments. I mean some of
it's horrendous, you know, the domestic violence stuff from twenty sixteen,
going back there. I mean, it's it's been a bad
ten years for but this is this, this last thing, Oh,
this one's Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Knowing his father the way that I did, I can
honestly say this, he'd be ashamed. Yes he would, Yeah
he would. That's it.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
And that's about the best way I can put that.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I you know, he's got he's got that bleep you
money now from the sale of the Broncos. And I
guess you know they always say money changes people. I
don't think money changes people at all. I think money
money shall say it makes you your authentic self and
what you would be if you didn't have to rely
on the kindness of others or you know, need the
kindness of others on a daily basis, and uh yeah,
it's it's embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
You guys can find that video for yourself you want to.
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna give that any more
gas that it's than it's already gotten.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I do want to in the next segment talk a
little bit about this Nick b Neil stuff. I didn't
want to get into it now because we've got such
a short segment here, but we'll get to this Nick
Benilo stuff. Should he be Defensive Player of the Year?
If not, who who else is going to? Because I
think his biggest competition to me is it a name
that you'd think of. I think his biggest competition to
me is a name that has largely flown under the radar.
And we'll figure out what that is when we come back.
Brocos Country's name
Five six, six nine zero is the text slim but
show to night Tim Jaco's gonna joins a little bit later,
looking forward to that because we always get the NFL
six pack, which we didn't have yesterday, so I guess
we don't always have it, but we mostly have the
NFL six pack.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
That'll be fun later on five six.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
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the Denver Broncos. I'm not sure who's leading the charge
on that right now for the thousand dollars, and I'm
not eligible. Otherwise I would I'd be putting my name
up there.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Why are you trying to brag? That's what I do.
You just try to slide that in like I don't
know who's leading the challenge. Look, I do who's leading
the challenge?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
That's right, be me?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yes, anyone out there listening to Ben at any point
anytime he leads on anything with I don't know. Yes,
he knows, and it's probably so that's his way of
kind of easing you into it.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Look, the football is not gonna spike itself, all.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Right, apparently not. Now here's what I want to know.
I haven't looked at the numbers as of yet, and
I know maybe what a week or two weeks ago,
you and Ryan Nevers had this I don't know this,
this beef where you were breaking your arm patting yourself
on a back bit because I think you beat him,
not just in fantasy, but you also beat him as
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far as it's.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
A unity and to pick him challenge. That continues to
be the case.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Oh, that continues to be the case.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Continues to be the case.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
In fact, I beat Jeff Johnson by an even larger
margin in fantasy football this this past weekend.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Even I'm even afraid to even ask this question.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
It was like eighty points. It was like an eighty
I beat him by eighty. I almost scored two hundred
on him.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Interesting, he had a joker going and Joko got two
touchdowns in that on Monday night and it didn't matter.
And it didn't matter your tight end goes for two touchdowns,
which you normally that's that's one of those things where
you're like, oh, I got two touchdowns at of my time, Yeah, Tin,
I got two touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
That it still wasn't even close.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Now I'm wondering who he had on his roster. I
mean it was a decent roster.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
It was like Jalen Hurts his quarterback in he had,
I mean he had a good he had a good roster.
I just everybody went off for the second week in
a row.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
For me, that's the one thing about fantasy is that
you really don't know is kind of unpredictably, even though
everyone tries to predict it. Because did you ever know a
guy gets injured, like who would have had them?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
That who I had on my team?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Right? Like I was playing in this this fantasy football
league against just a bunch of NFL players, But when
McCaffrey got injured, it put me in a nice spot.
And the person I was playing had the Broncos defense,
and I was ahead, you know, looked like a clear
out front win with about I don't know, three minutes
remaining in the game, and then Jakwa McMillan got the
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pick six and it just killed the fourth it's given
for me, just crushed it at Yeah, I'm you.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Some people trying to pretty other things, like what Nick
Ferguson's gonna wear into the studio. But I don't think
anybody had you rolling in here with. And I don't
even know what color those sweatpants are. Is a a lilac,
a lavender? Or are we almost in a periwinkle?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I don't have to know. It's not periwinkle. Is more
of a lilac? Okay, right, a lilac.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
This is too light for amethyst.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
But you know, I know, yes it.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Is Ryan and Rick Lewis They trying.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
To say it was Pink's pink like Zach, this is
not pink at all. You're just trying to get me
to come on here and say I'm colorblind again.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I did not know you were color BLA did you
say that before?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
When you asked me during the break, I went, I
can't be the tiebreaker here. I'm color blind. Are you
really color blood?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Like red green?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Color blind? No?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
No, no, it's uh, that's fine gray. No, it's not
all gray. But I'm I'm missing slices of the pie.
I like to if you can picture the color wheel,
I'm missing some slice of the pie in there.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Okay. I wonder what would like corrective context or anything
like that. Would that help.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I'm wondering if he has like some kind of superpower
like Daredevil. You know, he's blind and now he's a
radar vision you know, superpowers.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
They're Breaklet's take him on.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
The you can fly the break. We'll test that on first.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
No he's like, no, no, not that, not at all.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Oh my goodness, you can't even those sweatpants and rhymes
like they're painting. I'm like, maybe Ryan's color bly What
did this?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Hey man? Maybe too many punk spice lattes.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I guess that's somewhere between.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I swear that's somewhere between mav and periwinkles, mauve and periwinkle.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I'm just trying to show I haven't a purple. I know,
I haven't heard those colors in a while. I had
saw your pants.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Wow, like it's too light for an orchid, but but
too dark for a lavender.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
So what if I would have come in with these
pants and they would have been but dads, with which
one would you've seen first?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
All of it, the whole show with the a bunch
of pants at that point, which with mercifully we won't
do other people here Broncos coming off a big win
on London Night Football. There were moments in that game,
I guess where maybe it got a little bit like
but really it felt like the Broncos were firmly in
control in that game. We did get the full Jamis
(05:24):
Winston experience. We got Jerry Judy to show up and
do sixteen percent of his NFL production his entire career,
sixteen percent of his NFL production has been in the
last thirty six days.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Well, you know, here's what I tell Ryan Embers yesterday,
because being in the game, you heard back and forth
arguments some for some agains as it pertains to Judy,
And I know that's kind of the narrative, like why
wasn't Judy playing like this? What it was a member
of the Denver Broncos. There's so many things that kind
of go into it, right, how that player is being
(05:59):
utilized and just by chance there was no Omari Cooper
like Cedric Tillman concussion, he was out with the concussion.
So Jerry Judy became the premiere wide receiver. And but
he basically show the type of receiver that he is.
I mean when he came out of Alabama, this kind
of he's transparent here. He was a hell of wide
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receiver and great routes, explosive routes, deep routes. You nick
every route on the roud tree there that a guy
like Jerry Judy could run. So he didn't just come
here and just forget things. Now. Yeah, do I know
that he had the case of the drops, but it
wasn't as big as people magnified it to be because
(06:43):
when you look at that particular year, he had about
five drops and he wasn't actually leading the NFL. I
think it was either Deontay Johnson, who is being suspended.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
By the Baltimore Ravens will get to another.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Story and Tyreek Hill right. But once again, he just
he just showed and displayed what he can do. And
for me, I know he's playing against the Denver Broncos,
I was happy for him a player to player because
I know what he's he's gone through both as a
player on and off the field.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
For me, like the thing was, I mean, be boot
Jerry Judy if you want whatever.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
But the start of that Jerry Judy sucks chanting in
the fourth quarter, I was like, that's like the one
chance we can't get away with right now, Guys, he
just dropped two thirty five at a tuddy on us
and he's still going and we're on you're talking about
Jerry Judy sucks. I don't think we can say that.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
No, no, obviously, it's one of the things that you
try to do, especially for a guy returning back to
where everything started for him. He tried every single thing
to try to get it within the framework between his
two years, try to get disrupt him in some particular way,
because we know Jerry's a very passionate guy and we've
seen it before and sometimes when he gets aggravated and frustrated,
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sometimes he plays outside of himself, which is a detriment
to him and his athletic ability. And that was where
the home crowd at U in power Field, that's what
they were trying.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
To do well, and they were, you know, they were
a little miffed.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I think that Jerry was talking a mess leading up
to the game, but I got to like, I gotta
take my cap Jeredjy. He talked all that smack and
then he walked in and backed it up. Hey, you
know what, hold his L on the right home but
almost took the cap to the performance.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, we're real recognized world that I know on social media,
that was kind of the response. Well, yeah, you did
all that, and you should have done that here and
you suck and all of this and take that L
on the way. But once again, the way I look
at it, I always look at it from an evaluateor standpoint,
and also a guy who played the game, and you
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know that was that was great to see Jerry go
out there because it elevated the state of the game itself.
He made it more exciting. Here's a guy you drafted
and you were trying to develop things that work out.
He's coming back. He said some things before the game
on social media. Whatever, let's see if he's gonna do
that today, and oh, by the way, look at what
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he's doing, and yeah he did, and then something Yes,
I totally got people.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
That are like, well it's Levi Wallace bro If it's
easy to get to thirty five on a backup corner
in the NFL. Everybody be get two thirty five on
a backup corner in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Well, I'm glad that you said that, because I would
employ everyone to go back and watch the game, because
it wasn't one of those things where Jared just did
that against Levi Wallace. And I know Levi Wallace is
taking it on the chin and could he have played better. Absolutely,
But if you go back and watch the game and
you dissect certain plays, you'll see that it wasn't just
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Levi Wallace. Now, his confidence was a little shot, a
little You can tell it through the game, right, right,
based on body language, right, But I can tell you
because I went back and I watched the film. There
was some breakdowns and communication and you're like, well, started
with the first playing that that shouldn't happen. Started with
the first play.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
First play the game, Browns were on offense.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Patrick Tas standing over there on one side by himself
with two receivers, throwing his hands up looking like, hey,
somebody's supposed to be over here, and if Judy hadn't
gone back in motion the other direction, since Ham would
have said, They're like, I gotta pick my poison here.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Yeah, and once again, that's kind of one of the
more frustrating and I know the coaching staff is frustrated
with that part and that aspect of it, because you've
been in the system for a while, You've been participating
in practicing with your teammates, you know, for twelve thirteen
odd weeks, and you go through the adjustments all week long.
And the biggest thing is, and I know this, man,
(10:29):
because I've been there before, where we're playing against Kansas
City and for some reason, this is a TV time out.
I believe on Monday Night football, all of a sudden,
everything that was crammed in my head that I learned
that week it disappeared. And I was in a full
panic because I'm looking at John and I asked John,
(10:52):
I said, what's to play? He told me to play.
Five seconds later, I asked him, hey, man, what's the call?
And I did this until the ref. You know, you
always see that guy on the side with the orange
other mist calling time out TV time out, and once
they blew the whistle, it all came back. Yeah, it
all came back. I don't know what what happened at
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that moment. Yeah, I had a moment where all of
it is like going into your house and you didn't
pay the light bill, so.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Around in the dark and got your white sweatpants on.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
No, no, stop it looking for you.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
That that's like that. It's like that shade of purple.
It's like thistle. It's right there in between, like lilac
and periwinkle thistle, which weirdly you want to We're talking
about weird factoids that I know. During the break, I
still remember the hexadecimal color for thistle.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
It's d e b fd eight.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Every codeer out there listening right now is like, he's right,
you know what.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Here's once again we were talking about this before Ryan
and Rick Lewis left the studio. I mean then is
full of random information that leaves you like, what the hell? Right?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I was fast in there, we could we should are.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Talking about man. When I was a kid, here's the
time of Syria. I used to love it. I used
to love you to front and flakes, and then banners
started telling you about frost.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Flakes were invented by Seymour.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yes, this is like what in nineteen thirteen because when
the soldiers were coming back home, they needed a fool
I'm no man, no, just but these are the random
type of information that you fill the airwidth sometimes.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Well I'm not in it's air force.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
Okay. I'm not saying that that's a bad thing, right
because I'm always willing to learn. But I'm just saying
that you're just filled with random information. It's like you
need to go on a game show, really need to
go right now for you.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
What Superhero made frosted flakes then called sugar frosted flakes popular?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
What Superhero made frosted flakes then sugar front fla called
sugar frost flakes.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
They dropped that from the from the title as it's
kind of redundant anyway, I guess. But what superhero mad
A popular superhero was the Superman. They were the advertiser
on the on the radio of the Adventures of Superman
for the radio show. Yeah listen, nice, I love that.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
I wonder if the sugar was like kryptonite to Superman
because there was a lot of sugar.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
It was like kryptonite for people's teeth that it was.
They are I love it, SPROSSI play So I used
to I don't eat sugar in the morning anymore.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Turned out to oh, I'm sorry. I don't eat sugar
in the morning, only in the morning.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Rest of the day, it's fair five six six zero.
There's a lot I want to get to about this game.
I think Levi Wallace this is a little unfairly maligned.
There are some things about that that I think, I
wonder why weren't we using them? Mathis in between the
twenties and in areas where long speed was necessary and
it was clear that Levi does not have the long
speed to be doing that. Uh, you could put him
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down there in the red zone where he doesn't have
to where he doesn't travel with a guy like that,
But using in between the twenties where people were running
crossers and dragging him all over the field, and I'm like,
he's not fast enough to be able to do the same.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Well, well, here's the thing with that is that going
back watching the game, obviously for me, Levi's eyes could
have been better. And it wasn't just Levi's eyes. I mean,
there's a number of guys that I can say, well
who had bad eyes and had bad technique. But on
that explosive play from Jerry Judy, what it looked like
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it was man across the board and looking at Jerry split,
which he was in a cut split, so usually you
can't get inside, so you have to go, you know,
split the man. Well, whereas down the middle where you're
gonna be a little outside because if he runs a
speed cut, you're gonna be able to drive to it.
But it makes you accept susceptible to any short or
(14:41):
deep ross because you were in Chase Mo and what
took place. It was like when you look at the safety,
you say, okay, well you saw two tight ends over there.
You saw Brandon Jones and PJ Lot and both one
of those tight ends was just like at five yards.
So for me, it didn makes sense to kind of
try to ife him from five yards from death. Stay
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in a minute of the field. Yeah, show you got
middle clothes, because if you don't have middle clothes, that's
where they're gonna go, right, And that's kind of by design.
And when I saw that, and I also saw Levi pedaling.
When he started to pedal and he started to open up,
he had a fatal flaw. His fatal flaw was he
take his eyes off of Judy to stay on the
top and peep. And when he peeked back, Jack took
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off and with no safety in the middle of the field,
all Jamie's had to do is throw it to the
right hats and boom, you just run underneath.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And and Levi, I mean, you know, bless his hard,
but he can't run trail technique anymore.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Like he just doesn't. You're not, especially you're looking at
the backroom saying you don't have your key.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
You doesn't have to catchup gear anymore that you know
that you probably had ten years ago. Uh and and
so like that's that's I mean, he said about a
thirty six year old corner. So I leave Walla's been
run league a long time. All due respect to Levi Wallas,
who had an accomplished career, like you don't there are
certain things you can't do anymore. Well even you know,
it was like it was like it's like Kajak was
trying to play that. You know, he was at the
(15:58):
two high zone and the games the Ravens and he's
playing with extreme outside leverage and then Hollywood Brown's just
went right in the middle line and you're like, bro,
you don't have to catchup.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Speed for that anymore.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Well, once again, this is where for me break down
the communication comes into play play recognition, knowing as though, okay, well,
Judy was already being fed in that particular game. But
more importantly, this is for everyone in the secondary. I
would say, here's a guy who has a hot hand.
He's in the minus split. Right. There was only two
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guys who Jamis was really throwing to on a consistent
basis in Djoku and Jared and Jerry. So the first
time you see him in the minus split, why is
he in the minus split? Right? He's trying to get
over to the opposite side. Now if he doesn't cross
the tracks the hash marks in the first three steps,
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he's going vertical, right, He's going vertical. But at the
same time, you can't lose sight of your guy when
you're playing any type of zone or you're playing man, come,
you just can't do it.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
But if you go to peak peak and go don't
sit there and stare back into that backfield and you
know it's it's and I've been there before, man, so
I know because you go to look because you see
a guy.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Breaking, So you're thinking the ball is gonna come right now,
and almost like a malt to flame, it's like attracted
being you just locked on a quarterback and you're just
watching him the entire time, and your body goes somewhat
numb to a point where you're moving, but you stop
moving because your eyes are locked and fixated on him.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
But your brain's all your brain's looking back to your
body's on all a pipe.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Why the hell's receiver? And that's kind of what happened
to him in that position. But I still hold true
to this, even though you may have a middlefield safety
and you may be playing man coverage. If your coverage
is a tight end and he's running a five yard
out one, if the quarterback wanted to get it there,
you already beat because you're in the middle of the field.
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So you might might as well play top down, hold that,
and then let the quarterback bring you down.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
There's there's when we can get to a lot of
these the minutia of.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
The coverages and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
There were some there was some negatives out there, you know,
and I know I fed into that a little bit
making jokes about you know, there had been a white
Broncos missed this much since the police were out looking
for al callings and you know, firing these jokes off.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
But it's somehow, somehow that is Uh, I knew that
was going to be a Busman all Bright reference between
the Broncos and a white Bronco. I didn't even know it.
He's like, yep, he can.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
He's down on the field, he said, puts one finger
up in the air.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
He's like, Ben just made no j joke.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
It's sure did. But to your point, it does say
how much that Raleigh Moss actually developed to be a
part of his defense when at the very beginning of
the season, the question was like, well, who was going
to play opposite PS two was going to be the
mars d Maari Matthews, whether it was going to be
Riley or where there was going to be Levi.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Wallace and Riley Moss won that job, and now we
all understand. Now you understand what he means to that defense.
Chris Abrams train got to get in. Uh got to
get his head in the game quick because if Riley's
out for an extended period of time, he's going to
be the guy really really quickly.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
This should, if for nothing else, let people know that
you can't pass judgment on a particular player or anyone
based on the visual when you look at them. Oh, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
That's part of the reason I make these jokes is
because it's funny. You know, if you could play you
could play it like Jordan Nelson was fast fast. He
wasn't white fast, he was fast fast, you know. And
so that's that's kind of sort of the thing. That's
the reason I make these kind of jokes. And we
have that kind of fun here on the show Broncos
Country that I got to hit a commercial break. We'll
be back after this. How many times in a row?
(19:43):
Is it's too many to run the play? If it's working,
there isn't a number. If they can't stop it, keep running, Thank.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
You, Thank you. That cool. What answer to the question?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
There is no nothing in the NFL rule, But you
know what you've run that we can't run anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
No, listen, man, I watched football on the collegiate level
and in the pro level, and you watch teams a
banding plays and it's just like, I don't understand if
the defense can't stop it, and for some reason the
guys on the defensive side are not communicating, and the
players there, you keep running the freaking play until they
(20:25):
fix what they're doing you don't go you know what, Yeah,
let's go run something, go do something else. No, No,
it's just like Ben. You know, I've never played any
like football type game against Ben. I played against my son,
and I won't do that again. But it's one of
those things. It's why your philosophy, which I think absolutely sucks,
(20:50):
actually works. And it's one of the reasons I think
it sucks because you're running the ball, and so we're
gonna keep running the ball until you stop it. Make
me stop, make me throw it does, make me throw it.
And if they can't do it, what seeds to help
them out? I'm not I'm not changing to help them out.
So then video game philosophy.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
And then the moment they load the box, they take
away your triple option, play what do you do?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
You hit them over the top?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Play action judge, but play action fly. Literally, that's the
receiver on the left hand side, who's gonna be who's
gonna be the fastest receiver I got on the team
is running the go ball.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I'm just gonna hit them. Why why why is it
that some play callers make it so hard, so difficult.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
It's it's a it's an epidemic in the NFL where
guys want to were out smart themselves.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I've watched guys just outsmart themselves.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Well, okay, so you say it's epidemic, So there's got
to be a cure. There's got to be a cue.
Stick to the basics. Stick to the basics.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Stick to the basics, Shane, let's see you now, is
it John Voyt who's like he says that as you
slapping him mid day? It was the varsity bluest Blues.
Stick to the base, stick to the Shane Steichen, is
this you know, super hyped up young offensive mind. His
big revolution in Philly was largely we're just gonna keep spain.
I mean, these plays until you prove you can stop
it pretty much and share. And you know, honestly, it
(22:04):
was like that when he was in with he was
as the Chargers too. You have the best out of
you know, find what works for my quarterback, and then
we're gonna run those four or five six plays until.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
You guys got it. That sounds so logically when you
say it sounds so logically, so simplistic.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Yeah, you got guys that are like I can't repeat
anything ever, because I can't be predictable in this situation, bro,
I was predictable as possible. This is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Come get me.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Then guys are gonna out execute your dudes.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Hell with predictability, the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Is everybody that comes off that same tree.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Though it comes off that and you know it comes.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
From it comes off that Mike Holgran tree. All the
guys that were all the guys that were there, all
the guys that were Philly together, Sean Payton, John Gruden,
all those guys that all had this. I can't be predictable.
I got to be within a certain number of plays
of doing this and this. Gruden had the plus or
minus three with the runs. He would never go a
certain number of plays without getting back to balanced.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
That was during his first ten years head coach. Sean Payden.
I can never repeat the same thing. I've got to
be so I gotta be unpredictable. So nobody ever has.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
But that's not being unpredictable. That's being predictable, is it not?
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Well, it just means it's being chaotic in a lot
of ways. I don't know that that adds value. I
don't know that's an add value, like like, Okay, you got.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
It, you have it.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
You don't have tendencies because you've created this bizarre setup
where you air quotes, don't have tendencies, but you know,
you want people to think you have tendencies.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
You bait them into thinking you're going to do.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Something, and you take advantage of it. That's sort of
how it works.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
But Ben, that is in reality, still a tendency. The
tendency is to okay, whoa if you know, okay, well
there's a successful play. If you're a defensive coordinator, you're
telling your guys, guess what, we might not see that
play again. That was successful.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, but we might we not going to see it again.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Right, But so so you've already shown your hand because
there's a tendency. There's a Lindy Scout report that's that
says it.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Right, right, you don't, everybody, don't.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Let's figure it out.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
All those guys that were there in Philly again, all
those guys that were on that thing, they all have
that same mindset that about it.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I can't be I can't be predictable.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
It's everybody on the versus the Shanahan mindset, which is like,
we're just gonna we're gonna have to XK, We're gonna
line it up. This is what we're gonna do it.
If you stop that, we'll find something else. But this
is what we're gonna do. And those are the two
schools of thought in the NFL right now. I mean
you think about it. Everybody that came off the you know,
the Andy Reach chump, everybody came off that tree is
doing that. And then everybody that came off the Shanahan
trees just doing the other.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Because for me, the mindset was always when I when
I play, was that we're gonna keep running it until
they stop in and from a defensive standpoint, if you
saw it in Week one on the Devas side of
the ball and you did not stop it, you're gonna
see it every week in the NFL in some shape,
form or fashion until you're able to stop it. That's
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the name of the game. If if you are playing
quarters and for some reason, your safeties in your corners
can't get on the same page. Where when a guy
runs a shallow route and another guy runs a pose
and they can't differentiate, you know who takes what. You
gonna continue to see that route until you stop it.
Just like if you play man coverage a lot, you're
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gonna see a lot of man beat a rouse and
unless you fix your communication execution, you gotta see it again.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
And like I'm okay with that.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
I'm okay with I want people to think that I
have tendency. So it's like playing poker. I want people
to think that I have tell so that I you
know what I do when I need that what I
need you to believe that I'm telling you something I
can use that. It's the same thing in football. I
need you to believe that I have a tendency. I
need you to believe that I'm going to do this
on third down. This is what I'm so that you're
defending that instead of what I really want to do.
(25:33):
And this is where for me and this, I can
only speak on what I know and what I've seen.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
This is where both Mike and Kyle would just genius
is because they will run and play and this is
say whether that play hit for five yards or eight yards,
at some point in that same quarter, maybe another quarter,
you're going to see that same formation. So defensively, you
know you're saying to yourself, here it comes again. They're
about to run the same play that they ran in
(25:59):
quarter two and quarter to three. But guess what, it's
a different reco Yeah, we're just showing you the same
thing but doing something different. And this is where you
manipulate the defense because they are watching this Scott report
and trying to get your tendencies.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah and that.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
But that's what I'm trying to do, is I'm trying
to manipulate them back with that, you know what I mean?
Like I I I don't want to be predictable, but
I want to be predictably predictable in the sense that
I want to lay things out that you think are predictive, Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Is what I'm gonna do on third down this play.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
I'm gonna open them with this, you know, so that
you're defending those kinds of things so I can attack
you where I really want to attack you. And I'm
okay with running the same play three or four to
If Julia mcgloughlin is getting eight eight yards a chunk,
give it to them, I'm gonna keep giving it to them.
I don't have to get back to passing the ball.
If you can't stop him doing it, you can't stop
you know, A guy who makes work done look like
Derrick Henry, then I'm gonna.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Keep rod of it. But see, that's a great thing
about the backs that the Broncos have. Depending on who
you're playing week to week, you you want to use
all utilize all your backs. Let me sorry's let me
back up and say that, but there may be a
bet that that is hitting well in that particular game.
He's spot on with everything that you're calling and in
that mond of that game, going back and watching it,
(27:08):
Jalil did a great job of slicing and cutting the
defense and setting up his box, hiding behind those blockers
because he's a speedy guy, but he's not that massive
of a man where you can see him right away.
So you're looking and it's almost like a trying to
find Smuckler or Darris bros. As a defender, you get
(27:33):
caught looking. So that gives the offensive lineman the second
level of defenders an opportunity to climb up and grab you.
And once they grab you, it's over. It's over. And
he did a great job, and I was expecting. I
wanted more to see from Julil that game.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I think the one thing that I love about Julia
that we started to see more of in that game
is he's not out running, he's blocking anymore. He used
to use that speed, especially between the tackles, and he
would just outrun his blocking.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
You used to see it.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
I try to give you an example of running back
to did that and got better later on with Michael Pitman. Right,
remember Michael Pivott early in his career in one gear
it was all the way Title of the Metal. He
never never was patient enough to let the blocking set
up when he was in Tampa. Then he turns around
later on his career wildly successful once he learned how
to let that blocking set up.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Well, I'll give you one that he is closer to home,
Clint Porters.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Well, port has had a lot of speed and athleticism,
and then between Bobby Turner and Alex Gibbs, they had
to kind of calm him down. They'll tell him, amen,
set that up. Once they set it up, now.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
You go keep it in second gear until you know,
until the block he sets up and then hit a
turbo button. And so that's yeah, that's that was something
that was good to see out of Jalil in that game.
I do want to get into a little bit of
uh BO. I want to get into Nick Benito, who
the defensive Player of the year. Odds are still ridiculously high.
If you want to put a wagering ticket in on that,
(28:47):
I got it at plus ten thousand. It's at plus
five thousand right now for defensive Player of the Year Benito,
who has what two more sacks than TJ Watt an
additional interception which, by the way, was a pick six.
I think think Bedea should be the Fensis player year conversation.
So we'll get into that here in just a few
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Speaker 2 (29:26):
Then I will be out there getting myself a new phone.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
I am.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I not a shocking revelation there.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
I don't know, do I stick with the Android? Did
you know the adult phone? Or do I go back
to a child's phone get an iPhone? I mean, you've
made it such a big part of your personality at
this point. I feel like you've got to stick with
the Android. You know? But who says I can't change?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
You know?
Speaker 1 (29:46):
You might be trying to look to try and get younger.
You know, that could be something you I am getting
into that and getting to a certain age. I do
drive a certain car that might be that might be something.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Are you a gambling man's act? I am?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I am at times five six sixpers a text line?
Speaker 3 (30:03):
So so, so what would you be willing to wager
on Ben actually changing now? Zero?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
He's not changing his way.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
He would only do it if he was involved with
the wages and he's to gain an enormous from That
would be the only reason he would be convinced that.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
James, what are you willing to put up that I
will not change my phone? I'm not betting anything on this.
It's it's ultimately a bet about how much do I
want to pay Ben to keep any how much do
I want to pay him to.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
Quicker than yourbody? Else?
Speaker 2 (30:37):
He catches a way than the other ones.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Is all you have to do is just listen to
how Ben Pras is staying and he will let you know.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
That was like when Pegana was trying to bet me
on Uh was he trying to bet me?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I'm trying to remember what it was now.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Oh, I wish I could remember what that thing was.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I was like Celtics.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
No, this was something about some something.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Man, I'll have to go back. I'll go back and
figure out. But yeah, he wanted to bet me on something.
I was like, I will absolutely take that wager, and
he kept looking at me, like what do.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
You know here that I.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Of course, I will let you know that you should
not either.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
There will details that you should not bet me.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Then has some insight on something. He's going He's going
to be overwhelmingly excited about taking your money.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I will let you know, like, just don't. Yeah, you
don't want to put money on that. You just you
just don't. So do we want to talk about the
Johnny Boullenville.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
And we just skipped that.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
You guys can figure that out from the internet. I
don't want to get into the commentary on that.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
That's he's my only comment to that. He left me
shocked as a person that got a chance to know
him being around the Broncos organization as a young man.
Like I told you when when you told me about it,
I was like, I don't I don't recognize this person.
I don't even know who this person is.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, he's I mean, he's had a string of incidents
dating back while I don't know what else to call it.
I mean, you know, embarrassing moments. I mean some of
it's horrendous, you know, the domestic violence stuff from twenty sixteen,
going back there. I mean, it's it's been a bad
ten years for but this is this, this last thing, Oh,
this one's Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Knowing his father the way that I did, I can
honestly say this, he'd be ashamed. Yes he would, Yeah
he would. That's it.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
And that's about the best way I can put that.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
I you know, he's got he's got that bleep you
money now from the sale of the Broncos. And I
guess you know they always say money changes people. I
don't think money changes people at all. I think money
money shall say it makes you your authentic self and
what you would be if you didn't have to rely
on the kindness of others or you know, need the
kindness of others on a daily basis, and uh yeah,
it's it's embarrassing.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
You guys can find that video for yourself you want to.
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna give that any more
gas that it's than it's already gotten.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I do want to in the next segment talk a
little bit about this Nick b Neil stuff. I didn't
want to get into it now because we've got such
a short segment here, but we'll get to this Nick
Benilo stuff. Should he be Defensive Player of the Year?
If not, who who else is going to? Because I
think his biggest competition to me is it a name
that you'd think of. I think his biggest competition to
me is a name that has largely flown under the radar.
And we'll figure out what that is when we come back.
Brocos Country's name
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