12-04-24 Hour 2 of Broncos Country Tonight

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Five six, six nine zeros of text line. Appreciate you
guys texting in. Talked a little bit earlier. Should Nick
Benito be in the conversation for Defensive Player of the Year,
And I will tell you that the odds of him,
if you're a betting person, you get great odds right now.
I got to take it at plus ten thousands a
plus five thousand right now on DraftKings.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
That means if you've bout one hundred dollars, you win
five thousand.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Even Patzertan has better odds than Nick Benito at this point.
If you look at some of the names, t J.
Watt is one of the highest names on there. But
I'll tell you who a guy who I think personally
is Benito's biggest competition down the stretch, and that's the
Andrew Van Ginkles.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
You guys are watching what Van Ginkle's been doing this year, Well,
Van Ginkle coming up from the Dolphins defense playing for
the Minnesota Vikings.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
He's played, he's had a hell of a season and
he's one of those guys that you can rush off
the edge. But also you can use a lot of
in coverage because usually when you see a guy who
would rush off the edge. They're not great playing with space.
Because there was once upon a time where I think
vig Fangio when he was here, he had Von Miller

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dropping in coverage and I think you got to go
back to when they were playing against Chicago Bears. It
was like, well, why the hell you pay this guy
a know, this amount of money, but you have him
dropping in coverage. But it's about versatility. Like on the
game on Monday Night, Miles Garrett was dropping in coverage,
but you could tell he was very uncomfortable with reading
routes because the tight end was right outside of him.

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He didn't see him in the Broncos were able to
get a first down. And when you look at Nick
Benito play, that was a guy that you could tell
he received great coaching and he had great awareness. Because
when you drop in coverage, most guys, even most skilled
guys who've done it ever since high school, they still
don't know how to do it because they dropped to

(01:53):
an area and instead of looking around gathering information bringing
your hodds back to the quarterback, they just get to
the landmark and just stop.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
But Nick Mediito and the interception, that's the thing that that.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
Makes it so great because he passed up on one guy,
there was two other guys. He let the second guy
go and he steps right in front of the tight end.
Looked like a dB wearing number fifteen.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
One of the best conversations I had with George Payton
after they drafted Nick Benito.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
We were talking about it a little bit, and he's like.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
The first I started with with his tape from the
beginning right and he's the very first play when he
was at Oklahoma, he dropped back into coverage in Baylor,
picked the ball off and and that was a part
of what, you know what had sold the Broncos on
Benito that he can he can do a lot more
than just rush the passer, but he's also become an
excellent pass rusher. H Nick Bendito is second in the
NFL in sacks right now. He's a half a sack

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behind Trey Hendrickson of the Cincinnati Bengals with he has eleven.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
DJ Watt has nine and a half sacks.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Like these guys that are you know that that are
in the miles scared is ten, like Nick Bandido is
more saxon those guys. Daniel Hunter, all those he has
more sacks those guys. Van Ginkle has.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Nine sacks, he has two pick six'es uh, and he
has more.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Fifteen quarterback hits on top of that, as well as
fifteen tackles for a lost many fourteen tackles for last
nineteen quarterback hits leven sacks. Yeah, Van Giggle has been
is doing the same thing, playing both way. He's away
from the ball and you know, doing that kind of
as two pick sixers out there.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
And he's been a heck of a player going under
the radar this year.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
But Nick Beniedls I think should be in the conversation,
and it doesn't feel like he is.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
When you look at the book and somebody's got plus
five thousand odds, they're not in the conversation.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Well, he's one of One of the great things that
helped Nick Benito this week is playing on Monday night football.
This is why every single year most people don't look
at it like, okay, the primetime games like that, they
don't really matter.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
They do.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
They matter from incentive standpoint with players contracts, but they
also matter as far as the player if he is
in a tight race for any kind of postseason the
war that you are able to showcase your ability to
the voters, the fans, the people out there who are
going to be making their decisions, and for Nick Benito
to be where he is from a sec total standpoint,

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knowing as though this is kind of reminiscent of what
Bradley Chubb and both Von Miller was actually able to
bring to the Broncos defense. And you and I had
a conversation I revisited here only on I think it
might have been after the Tampa game where we were
having a conversation where I brought up the topic of

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can Nick Benito or is Nick Benito the Von Miller of.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
This team's era right now?

Speaker 4 (04:33):
And obviously I remember some of the backlash I received
on social media, but I would say that those people
who's laughing now because Benito, for me, he just needed
to become more of an every down player coming out
of Oklahoma, coming out of Oklahoma, and that's why he
I feel as though he didn't get on the field

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that much last year, but he was not as much
because I just felt he was still learning the game
to be an every down pass rusher and not just
be like that third down pass rush specialists.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
There were notable situations where he was not on the field.
This is probably the best way to say that, but yes,
it was. It was one of those things.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I mean, he had he By the way, Nick Benito
has played the exact same amount of snaps as of
right now through this season that he played total last season.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
And the development is he was on production. He was
on the field for fifty two.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Percent of the Broncos defensive snaps last year.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
He's on the field for sixty percent of their snaps.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
But that's the testament to the hard work that he
is put in in a dedication to his craft. So
he should definitely be validated for that, because sometimes when
players come into the league and they're just seeing and
through one prism, that's it. You can't get outside your box.
But he's proven that it is possible if you put
in the work. So I'm going to give Nick Benito's credit,

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the coaches SA and just just being out there understanding,
you know, football and not wanting to be a one
trick party. But really quickly, Van right now, Van giggles
behind him his sack and let's just say Van Ginkle
somehow ends this award.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
I mean, he ends up winning this award it's going.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
To become because of the two picks sixes. So I
don't think the Broncos do have another primetime game that
when they play the Chargers that was flex to Thursday night,
so that would be another opportunity for him to kind
of up his sack total and really impress people.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Van Ginko has a little bit of an advantage because
he plays all game for the Minnesota Viks.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
He plays eighty one percent of the defensive snaps.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
He's one hundred more snaps this season in the same
amount of games, excuse me, one fewer game than Nick Benito.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
One hundred more snaps in one fewer game.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
So obviously, mathematically, the more the opportunities are going to
be there for Bean Ginkle. So that means that with
the fifty two percent of the plays that Nick Benito
was playing, he's going to have to try to make
some I guess insaction of plays, which I don't want
him to really think about that and impress to try

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to make something happen, and then he ends up on
a bad side of things.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
And here's the other part of this. How many sacks
as Nick Benito had taken off the board due to penalty.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
I think it's four kas in the game? Yeah, the game?
What's that game? I take it off in that game?

Speaker 1 (07:20):
And he had won in the Raiders game, he had
won in uh was it the Jets game? I want
to say, but he's had like four sacks taken off
the board, dude, to penalty. He could be so far
out in front of the lead on sacks right now,
he could. He could feasibly, if those accounted, be in
line for a twenty SAX season.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Imagine.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
And I don't I don't know this because I don't
have his contract in front of me. I don't know
his incentives. But because he is a defensive player and
he's juste deal he gets paid to get after quarterbacks,
I'm sure there's some.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Incentives and that kind of run not much.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
I mean, it's a it's a it's a of the
second round standard rookie deal.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
I don't care. I don't.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
I like to think that because he was sort of
like that pass rush guy, O you that there was
some kind of incentives in his contract based on sacks.
And once again, you're coming in as a young guy.
He may not think that you're going to get that
many sacks. So they may say, well, there's a half
a million dollar sign of bonus if you get a

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certain amount of secks.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Just think about it.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
If you get if we get to the end of
the season, and let's just say he's shy of that
mark by two sacks.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
If we go back and look at that.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Kansas City game where they were penoties, I mean, how
pissed would you be.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
If you were Nick Benito and got those take it off.
I'm looking at you. It doesn't look like he has
any sack incentives in here. He doesn't, I don't think so.
I'll tell you what it looks like. It's just a
straight cash It is a straight cash deal.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Say it was a four year, five point eight million
dollar contract with a one point four million dollars signing
bonus and uh and that was the only guarantee in it.
Base salary is a one point two in a cap
hit a one point five with a dead cap of
six ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Like, I'm looking at this and I don't see any
bonuses built in here. Well, I'm on the west side.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
I know his next contract there will be, oh absolutely,
and it'll be up.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Next starting next year. They'll be negotiating a deal, because
is this deal runout?

Speaker 4 (09:03):
Okay, would you be surprised by the time the Broncos
come back from their bye week.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Let's just say Nick Benito has a new deal. Would
you be surprised next year?

Speaker 4 (09:15):
No?

Speaker 1 (09:15):
No, no, no, this year, this year. I mean, I
would hope, I would hope that they would do that.
But I feel it feels like that that's probably gonna
be a deal that you get done next year simply
because you need the signing bonus to hit as an
extension after the Rust money drops off.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Because you just pay Coop.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
The huge in order to do the Kapinomics from the
Russ deal, You're probably gonna have to wait it out
a year. Yeah, And there's there's no incentives in here
that he's been fined twice, by the way by the
league for sixteen and seventeen dollars total.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
By the way, and if you all missed it, if.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
You ever miss it, Nick watching Mick fer ferguson Boo
the the uniform guys he's writing down uniform violations on
the sideline before the game is quite possibly demos hilarious
thing you will ever see in your life. Myself, Ros Kyminski.
We had the and former CIA director Perel out there
with us.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Watching Nick Boo the uniform violation. Guys, he was sitting.
It was quite It was the most entertaining thing ever.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
You know what, Yeah, that's exactly what I said, because
obviously guys.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Want to be comfortable. Let me play. And I don't
know if you've ever been.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Into NFL locker room, I mean coming out of the door,
there's a there's a there's a poster of a guy
and when you look at him, you're like, what year
did he play football?

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Because it is like, I mean, he's got he's got
he's got that old pad with you got to put
your fingers in.

Speaker 5 (10:42):
He com fall it's the Sam brand for shoulder bands,
and it's like wan to hell.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Just is like that, right, I mean this is not
the nineteen fifties, right, but this is how the league
wants you to dress, because they want your pants to
meet your knees, where your socks are right right at
one time, not to got told you guys this camera phone.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Out he's taking pictures and.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Just writing the entire time he's writing, and I'm like, well,
what are you writing?

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Wull are you writing?

Speaker 4 (11:11):
Up.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
I never thought that I needed this in my life.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
But Nick Ferguson Heckling the uniform violations guy top five
all time pregame moment for me.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
I mean, because look, maybe there's a little residual left
over from when I was a player. Because once i'm
the league, find me five thousand dollars and then they
get you for socks or shoes or something for socks.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
And then when we went to we went to a
little hearing and I told them, explain to them what
I did. They were like, oh, okay, we got that,
but they still kept twenty five hundred dollars in my money.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
And I'm like, wait a minute. If I am a.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Dunicated for what took place, should I get my five
grand back? Yeah, I'm charging you for my time, yes,
but no, they kept twenty five hundred dollars in my money.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
I'm still pissed about it. It was I'm telling you
guys like that.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
It was a top five pre games and the fact
that like who I was with on top of that
made it that much better is ross you know who
we had.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
I took it around and I look at it, look
at you guys. I'm yelling at the guy, and I
look at you guys, and you guys looking like so
it's me.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
It's me and Ross And we're sitting there with again
Mike Morrell, the former director of the c I A
who's gonna be a parabolic on the Cleveland Brown sideline,
which is a whole other story, the three of us
standing there on the Brown sideline on Nick is heckling
the uniform violation guy who's wearing like.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
A mink jacket. No, it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
It wasn't. It wasn't.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Mek fo me. Look it looked mean, but it was.
It was like it was chinchilla gray and black, right, Yeah,
it was. It was chinchilla. And I'm like it was soft.
I'm like, man, real tall.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
It was.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Probably paid for off some of the beautiful violation. Just say, hey, hey,
I don't know anything about anything. Look, I'm just saying
I think I know where you're twenty five hundred dollars. Sorry,
I did you get that one out? That was a
top five oment for me. I was just sitting there died.
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Speaker 1 (13:07):
We're talking about Nick Bedito's defensive Player of the Year.
UK Bow has a real shot at the offensive Rookie
of the Year because even though there were some splash
plays in that game, obviously the obviously the bomb to
Marvin Mims and all that he did, he still did
finishing with one touchdown, two picks in that game. Jayden
Daniels statistically a little probably out in front when you
had the rushing in. Do we think Bow has a
chance down the stretch? He is gonna get primetime games.

(13:30):
We got that Thursday night game against the Chargers, obviously
got that that Chiefs game. There's gonna be some primetime games.

Speaker 6 (13:35):
Here, some opportunities, but it's also a much tougher road
to ho It isn't much tougher role for Bow Nakes,
but bo is definitely in that conversation because it's Rookie
of the Year, You're being compared to all the other rookies.
But for the most part, it's the quarterbacks, right That's
where the conversation is dominated.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
And we know the issue that Kaylen Williams is having.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
I mean, he's leading the league in sacks, I believe,
and maybe a forty nine or something like that, maybe
fifty and you have Jamie JJ McCarthy who did not
play Drake May. But the biggest threat to Bow is
Jamee Danimes and let's keep it one hundred. I know
we live here in Denmer, Colorado, and we would love
to see Bo actually win that award. But watching Jane

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Daniels play Man, that dude is a player, and they
Adam Peters and Dan Quinn they have themselves a guy.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
So it's gonna come down to those last couple of games,
how well you play.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
And once again I haven't checked, so I don't know
how many other prime time games that Washington Commanders have,
but Bo's gonna have to take advantage of that Thursday
night game against the Chargers team who's playing during good
defense and play great defense when they lost to when
le Broncos lost to the Chargers in Week five. So
that that is going to be the tail of the

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tape and maybe the thing that decides the whole Rookie
of the Year conversation.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, I mean, you you play.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
I had two non quarterbacks that are even involved in
the conversation here, and that's Brock Bowers, who who's putting
on a show, and Bucky Irving, who probably should be
getting mo run as a rookie. He's put up incredible
numbers right now, but down in Tampa where it's not
really getting talked about enough, the Commanders do not have
another primetime game there are they are four games left
throw bye this week and they have four games left
and they are at New Orleans affiliate home, atlant at home,

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and at Dallas. All of those are eleven am Sunday games.
So they do not have any primetime games left. Just
in case anybody was wondering, so well.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Once again this is this is a case of similarities
between Bo and Nick Benito. Don't go out there and
pressed with the conversation about the defensive player of the
year or the rookie of the year.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
Play your game in the hard roa. Just just play,
play your game.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
And then really quickly, when we look at the Broncos
next four opponents, you look at Indy. Indy is only
give up twenty four sacks this season, which puts them
at twenty four. The Chargers have given up thirty five
their tenth. Cincinnati have given up thirty, which puts them
at seventeen.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
And then you look at Kansas City.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
Kansas City has given up thirty two sacks and then
puts them at thirteen, so.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
The opportunities will be there.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
And once again, looking at that last game with Kansas City, Well,
Kansas City still have the number one seed, and he said,
well what are they playing for where their start as
being the game that still could be a game where
Nick Beneto could pat his stats and the same for
both Knicks, which once again changes the conversation.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
He looking at that Cincinnati game, the way they've been
giving up sacks, that does feel like a you know,
a marquee.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Time for Nick Benito to go off and and put
pedal to the metal on that bullseea like I said,
the hardware as far as that can stiff play your game.
The hardware, the rest of that kind of stuff will come.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
We get back talk about college football, talk about this
this playoff coming up.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Nick Ferguson wants to return to the VCS computers. He's
not an't pay attention to me. Brocko's Country Night backing
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Speaker 1 (17:00):
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or written nomination at KWI Colorado dot com. Slash contest.
Still got a few days left on that. I think
we've we extended that to December sixteenth due to popular demands,
So you still got to about twelve days I think
to go on, get those nominations, and Tim Jenkins's.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Going to join us top of the hour. But Nick
has some thoughts on college football.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Saw a video that he put out where he once
again spreads his conspiracy theory about anti SEC excuse me,
pro SEC bias in the conspiracy theory where you know,
and I think it's important that we talk about this
because the greatest league in college football stop. That's because
both I mean your front Arkansall Steed went to Arkansall then.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
In augustas in the SEC that all of a sudden
now was, oh my gosh, the SEC is the best conference.
I am so sick and tired of that.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
It feels like something a Georgia Tech alum would say.
It's not just a Georgia Tech alump.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Just look around college football, right, just just ask Arizona
State as byu AS Iowa state, ask any team that.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
The committee just kind of got this wrong, because let's
call it what it is.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
It is definitely an imperfect system that is based on subjectivity,
and when you have certain players who are involved and
there's a lot of money involved.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
It usually buys interest.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
Because think about it, when we get the college football
playoff rankings?

Speaker 2 (18:40):
What network gives us that before? Letter network?

Speaker 4 (18:46):
So what network has also given us college football rankings?

Speaker 2 (18:50):
The same freaking network.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
And if I hear Paul Finebaumb again just getting on
the airwaves.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Talking about how great Alabama?

Speaker 4 (19:01):
Do you remember last year Obama lost before Nick Saban
was forced into retirement because of nil deals.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Even when they lost, I think they had like two losses.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
You had Nick Saban on the fall of the network
with Paul Finbaum trying to make a case as to
why Alabama should be and the college football playoffs. It
is be I'm ridiculous right now, And if I am
a fan of any other team and any other conference,
I'm freaking pissed right now.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
You don't think Alabama should be in the playoffs? Yes,
I believe that.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
They should have consideration considering that the playoffs have been expanded,
right Okay.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
So this will last year, and I think I was
with you on that last year, but this year, I
think they probably deserve to be in it. It depends
really on the way a couple of things break with
Arizona State and Boise.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
And it has nothing to do with how things are
going to break.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
We all already know what the plan is because Bama's
sitting at nine and three, right, and the justification is, well,
why is the nine and three Bama team over ten
and two Miami team? So it's like, well, the last
three games for the Hurricanes they're one and two and
Bama they are two and one, and those games are

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they played against Mercer and they won. They played against
Ou and they got the beat down twenty four to three,
and then they beat Auburn, a team that's not ranked. Right,
So it's almost like the community was looking for anything
because ideas that what's the last visual image.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
That you have?

Speaker 2 (20:42):
And I'll go back to this.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
Alabama beat Georgia when Georgia was number two, right, and
Georgia Tech was pushed to the brink, pushed Georgia to
the brink, and Georgia was ranked number seven at that time,
and the score was forty four forty two.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
Now for Georgia they beat Georgia forty one thirty four. No,
the dude, it was like, hey, over times, I'm bess Alabama.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
No, I'm talking about Georgia Tech and ug like, I'm
trying to give you the time that would beat Georgia
at five. Gotcha, Georgia Tech kind of pushed them to
the brink four. They were seven at the time. You
wim lost to Georgia Tech, Yes.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Right in the close game. I think it was twenty eight,
twenty twenty three.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
So for everyone trying to say, well, the the ACC
doesn't have talent, well, if that was a team that's
now plays that number back.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
At five, Well, how many times did Miami play a
team that was ranked this year?

Speaker 4 (21:45):
For a minute, So the argument goes, okay, well, when
we when you start to look at the SEC has
been build up and propped up, that kind of belittles
every other football conference, every other one because if you're
not a s SEC and you're not playing against SEC
talent and you lose the teams from other conferences, oh,
your strength to schedule wasn't that great because you didn't

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lose to an SEC team.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Well, I mean, these teams were ranked. You know, it's
the voters who are ranking these teams where they're ranking.
That's what I think where your gripe is because who
are the voters, Usually sports writers around the country, the
Associated Press.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, you know where I'm going with this. I follow
the money.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
You know how this works. You gotta keep Alabama and
those SEC teams in the mix. That's kind of the
idea to keep football relevant that people want to watch
because teams traveled and all that.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Well, I mean there is something to that.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
I mean, that's why a lot of these teams that
have one loss or or zero losses a lot of
the times don't get the consideration when they play out
of the AAC or the Sun Belt or whatever, because
you know you're not getting you know, first of all,
they're probably not gonna match up. But second all, you know,
you're not getting the travel that you're getting out of
out of the day.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Let's go damn all that.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
Look, these kids and these coaches, these coaches jobs hang
in the balance based on wins and losses.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
These kids go out and they compete.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
It is not their fault that maybe they may be
in the Big twelve or the Big Ten or the
ACC and it's like, because they're not in the SEC,
they don't get the recognition, right.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
And how many times that we've seen what I've been
saying this for years when UCF was undefeated or whatever,
and I was like, you know, they earned the shot.
If a team's under if a team's undefeated, they earned
their shot, and they didn't give it to it.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
That's not how they say it.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
When Kelli Moore was a part of Boise State and
they went undefeated, they got screwed too.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah, Hawaii was the only one that sort of got
a shot. They got to whether in Georgia, and they
got smoked by Georgia of course, But you know, I
mean they earned their shot at this place. This one
the reason, it's part of the reason I keep talking
about Armies ten and one.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
You gotta put a nine and three Alabama team over TEAMO.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
Went ten and one, apparently so because they're Alabama and
they're nine and three, and you're gonna tell.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Me, well, they got smoked by Notre Dame. Okay, who
didn't smoke by Notre Dame this year? But you know,
Alabama got smoked by a couple of teams. Still, they
lost the Oklahoma, they lost a bandy.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Bany was better than people thought they were issue, but
that's what you Still you lost a bandy though.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
You lost a bandying this year.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Okay, So Bandy is in the SEC, right, and our
academic standards go up.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
We keep Vanderbilt and.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
Ideas like they lost the bandy, but that's just another
SEC team. And for me, I'm just I'm just sick
and tired of this whole idea where for me it's
it's not fair and it's not it's not equal. It's
an imperfect type of process, and it's based off subjectivity. Right.

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You get a whole bunch of people in the room,
they decide, and I just don't like the decision making
and how it's done.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
And I get it. The old BCS wasn't great. I
get it.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
It was it was when they had the computers, and
everybody hated it because they didn't like it.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
It wasn't putting blue bloods where they wanted them. We
gotta figure something out. We gotta figure figure something out.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
And I know that it was probably one of the
reasons they expanded the college football playoffs, just to allow some.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Of those teams in.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
But I just think that it's just so wrong and
just a slap in the face to a lot of
these kids and coaches that really land on the line
that you're willing to put a three lost Alabama team
at number eleven over the University of Miami. Hell, look,
you know what if you say, well, you want to
put Lane Kiffin and Ole miss a little higher, you

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know what. I may fight you on it, but but
I'm willing to listen opposed to you know, Alabama and
think about Georgia sitting at five at five, Like I
know you were raving.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
What let me move back in for a second.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
I'm thinking that there was a conversation that we were having.
Where did you start raving about Carson Beck at one point?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
He's a good quarterback?

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Good?

Speaker 2 (25:56):
How what's what's on your good?

Speaker 1 (25:58):
He loves to he loves to lull, to sleep in
the first half and give you a heart attack and
then come back.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
All that's what it is.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
I wonder I got we got Tim Jingkins coming up next.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
I want to know what Tim Jenkins thinks about Carlson
Beck and being somewhat of an NFL prospect. But I
don't like this process. I don't like how they did it.
And so many teams get lead frog every single year
because of this.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Like who you who's on the outside looking in that
you would have in because I have I have a buddy.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Mine still has the old BCS formula.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah, and I've run it and I can tell you
who right now the BCS computers would have in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Okay, tell me who. They would have.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Oregon one and Texas to most of those are this
the same night. I would have Notre Dame Free and
Penn Stak for that's a flip from the College Football
Playoff committee. They would have Georgia at five, Ohio State
at six, then they would have SMU at seven. Then
they would have Tennessee at eight, Indiana at nine, Boise
at ten, Alabama and Miami and then South Carolina.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
So Miami would be the last in once again. Even
with that, now this is the fort these championship games
because the computers would adjust for that.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
So and those championship games are going to dictate a
lot because some people feel as though, look, if you
don't play in a championship.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Game, you shouldn't be considered. Well, the championship game.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
You know now that it's expanded though, because my thing
was always due an eighteen playoff, right, the five P
five champions and three at large bids, right, And I felt.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Like that that was fine.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
I felt like we overcompensated from the wolfully it up
to fourteen playoff to go to a probably oversaturated twelve
team playoffs.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
But the reason, and I believe they're going to continue
to expand it because they know they've made a lot
of mistakes based on subjectivity. So this is their formula
and their way of resolving the issue instead of leaving
it the way it is. Because you're absolutely right, I
believe if you win your your Power five championship, you

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should have an automatic bid and you have three at large.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
It's no.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Once again, this gets back into the SEC dog because
it's like, okay, well, if that is the case, you
still had to put a one.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Last two loss SEC team in. It's like no, no, no, no, no,
we're not going to do that.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
If you don't qualify by the rules that stipulate our
winners to advance, then you don't get in.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah. Interestingly, though, for those who want to know, the
BCS computer formula would have had Colorado twenty three one,
right behind Army if just in case they about wanted
to know. Well, really, but what do you think about
do you think let me back up for a second.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
Do you think the committee got this right based on
the parameters that they have.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
I think the committee based on what the computers are
saying overvalues Missouri, I think that the committee.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Got it mostly right. We'll see what happens after these
championship games, because there's still some games to be played here.
I think they got it mostly right.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
I think the subjectivity starts to happen right.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Around the ninth seed.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
I think there are eight teams that are pretty much
everybody would have it the same right, everybody would have
some variation of Tennessee SMU, Ohio State, Georgia, Penn State,
Notre Dame, Texas at Oregon.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
Well in the top twenty, the SEC has five teams, right,
But that's where.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
The subjectivity starts, right around right around ten where you know,
some people love Boise, some people have Alabama, some people
of Miami, South Carolina like that. That's where the subjectivity starts.
To me, there's nine teams here that everybody knows. The
top nine teams and then after that it's kind of like, well,
who else are we putting in here?

Speaker 4 (29:37):
Well, for me, it's figuring out a logical formula that
takes all the other conferences into consideration, not naming the SEC.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
But I mean we did this though with the BCS computers.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Everybody hated it, like we did this, we let the
computers pick, and then everybody's like, we wait a minute,
I don't like this.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
We're changing this.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
But once again, what are the param What were the
parameters for the computer picking? Because before that happens, there's
algorithm that has to be put in place.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Here are the summer things that we're looking for, shred
the schedule. Well, see, the BCS computer had two human albums.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
They had the polls, which was two thirds of the
thing was taken, and you can take those poses.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
It was the Harris Interactive poll, which has one hundred
and five voters.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
And then it had the it takes the vote that
a team re c divided by a perfect score, and
you know, it did all that kind of stuff, and
then it would use excuse me, and then it would
use other computer elements out of that. And that was
the third and final part where it would use various
different algorithms, these six different algorithms, the Sagarin rankings, the
Colleague matrix, those kinds of things, UH to work this

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stuff out and the final calculation.

Speaker 4 (30:46):
People hated it because, for me, you're putting too much
data into the situation to make this determination.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
Look look at the games with your eyes. What is
it that you're seeing, Guys don't watch all these games.
A lot of it is box score. Basically the other
part of this, here's the real kicker. This is the
part that screws all this up. Preseason or week one
rankings because whatever your preconceived bias going into the season is,
that's where it's got your adjusting from there and where
Alabama is where it is because it started off so

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high in the preseason instead of being instead of not
having any ranking whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
But rankings sell, Rankings sell. People tune into TV to
see those rankings, they tune into radio area ranking.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
At the end of the day, preseason rankings are really
it's always it's about money and how many of those
SEC teams every single year they got the top recruiting
class coming in even though we haven't even seen these
players play.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
And then those.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
Preseason rankings have those SEC teams in the top ten.
So you're absolutely right. So they get us both at
the beginning and they get us at the end. It's
a whole big setup.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Well yeah, because all your preconceived biases, Alabama can only
drop so many three losses. If they started the season
a number one, three losses is still keeping them in
the picture. You started the season outside the top twenty
five and you got three losses, then.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
What you know what? Then I got one word for you,
one phrase, brother. This whole thing is a bunch of couches.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
And with that, Nick Ferguson says that the SEC Championship
just bring crowned national championship and we're good to go.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Broncos Country Night Back with Tim Jenkins after this