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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Ben's been all right here with these actually years
back there behind the glass, you see the other stirring
back there as well. It's actually having a party back there.
It work, it work, I'm familiar with I'm familiar with that.
It was a long time IT guy in the army,
and then I have my own company for a while
before I got into Uh, I gotta know all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So much better LT now, I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Certainly didn't have as many people griping at me on Twitter,
So dude, now five six, six times zero.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
He is the text line Broncos facing.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
And again, I can't overstate this what must be the
most important game for the Denver Broncos in Denver since
the lead up to Super Bowl fifty. It's it's quite
simply a playoff game in a lot of ways because
the Colts are the other team. I mean, you could
see Cincinnatia, there's a scenario where everybody loses.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Out, Cincinnati wins out, and that kind of sort of
thing happens. But really, this is this is a playoff
game for you.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
These next games are sort of playoff games in a
lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yes, especially when you look at you know, the easy
schedules the Colts have, even the Dolphins have, you know,
and with how different those first round matchups could be,
going to Buffalo is a lot different than going to
Houston or even going to Pittsburgh right now. So there's
a lot at stake for them over these last four games,
(01:24):
and I think all of them will be a solid challenge.
I think they're all winnable, but you know, the Bengals
are the weakest team on that slate.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
They could easily upset the Broncos. They're winnable, but they're
all losable too. And that's the thing, like, there's there's
scenarios here where you know, obviously you you you would
hope that you can beat the Colts.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I mean, you would hope that, but you know, a.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Thursday night, short week game on the road in Los
Angeles against arguably one of the most physical teams even football,
in the Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Is a tough ask. Going toe to toe with.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
The Cincinnati Bengals, one of, if not the premier offenses
in the NFL, is a tough task.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
And then, oh, by the way, the Kansas.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
City Chiefs, who have a horseshoe lodged in their rectum
right now and can't seem to.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Find ways to lose even when they're doiking kicks, they're
doyking them in.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And I'm not saying that because I picked the Chargers,
but I am saying that because I picked the Chargers
in that game and the pro pick them challenge and
lost my lead and now it's a three way TI
there at the top.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, even though there's a chance there's backups in that game,
you just can't bank on that. If you're the Broncos.
That's the dam to assume it's gonna be a nightmare
game in Week eight game, That's.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
The thing watched car even if it is the backups,
watched Carson Wentz come out and just carve them up
out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Maybe the worst beat down of the Mahomes reed era
on the Broncos was when what's his face out?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Chad Henny just lit them up.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
War came in when Mahomes That's what I mean. Yeah,
my Thursday is what I call it. I had a
I had a fortune on that game.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I did.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I I had Like it's because I knew that Mahomes
was out, Like so I on my phone.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I'm bet since I'm in the stadium and.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I bet before you know, words can get out and
the line changes, and I lost an absolute fortune on
that game. That's a sickening amount of money. Is the
largest loss I've ever had, and it was. It still
still haunts me to stay. But my point is the
Broncos aren't gonna want to give anything away to Kansas
City either, right Like, maybe on what your record is
(03:23):
in that game, it may be a must win game,
it may not, but you don't want to give anything
away to Kansasity in that game because you're going.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
To turn around and play them again theoretically very soon.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
So you don't want to give anything away in the
second of what would be three games against Kansas City
that year possibly.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So there's there's a lot going on those kinds of things. Again,
A short.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Week game on the road against a team that already
beat you this year, the Chargers beat you at home.
The Cincinnati Bengals, who are suddenly figuring, you know, playing
a little bit better, even though the defense still stinks.
Their offense is nothing to sneeze at. If you thought
the Browns were carving us up, why do you get
a load of the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
And then you've got the Kansas.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
City Chiefs here at home those two games when we're
on the road, then you get Kansas City here at home.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And even if it is backup saying that, those are
guys that are.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Probably fighting for jobs somewhere else, you don't think they
go to try and play hard.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So I to me, this really is a winning you're
in scenario.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
You could theoretically lose out and still not.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Naked, but you need help at that point.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, if you in this one, you in one other
game and it's it's.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Curse you and this one, and you could you're probably in.
You win one more, You're definitely in. That's the thing
like it. So this is such an important game. And
again I understand everybody gets tired of there's.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
The must win game. This is the most important game.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
You know, every hot take artist who the microphone is
out there saying that about every game, trying to hype
that up in order to sell their radio program or whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
But this one actually is.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, either teams playoff, odds are going to sw by
sixty seventy percent.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It's insane.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
And to your point, if the Broncos win this game,
the conversation next week is going to be uh, hey,
they beat the Chargers, they beat the Chiefs, there may
be the five seed in the AFC and have a
much easier first round matchup as opposed to this talk about,
you know, battling for the seventh seed. Can the Broncos
finally break the playoff drought?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
The stakes are huge?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, I think if you're the Broncos, like you're doing
everything you can because you want that you want that
six or fifth seed, either one. If you can get
either the six or fifth seed, because at that point,
you're either playing Houston or Pittsburgh, right and dramatically different,
which is dramatically different than going to Kansas City or Buffalo,
and so those are that's that's exactly what are Baltimore,
you know, I mean like like any of the above
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as far as as any of that kind of stuff goes.
And so like that's one of those things where you're
you're sitting there looking at this like, man, if I
can you know, if I can get that vin, all
of a sudden, you got you've got the path sort
of paid. And so there's isn't it fun to be
talking about playoff scenarios this day? This this latest season, though.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
It's great and I legitimately I think the Broncos have
a good chance to win one. Like last year, you know,
we were kind of having it was further fetched and
it was also just I don't know, it felt like
just getting into the playoffs would have been the prize
and that would have been the ceiling of what that
team could have accomplished. See. I don't think they're gonna
win the Super Bowl, but could they beat you know,
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the Texans on the road or even the Steelers on
the road. I think very possibly, well.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Very beatable.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
And then you get the Chiefs, who they've been extremely lucky,
but maybe you block or the field goal doesn't get
blocked this time, and then next thing you know, you're
in the NFC Championship game. I don't think that's the
most insane idea for the Broncos to go on a
little mini playoff run.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Here longest winning streaks in the NFL right.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Now is a tie between Kansas City and Denver, both
and won three straight. The Broncos last loss, of course,
to the last second field goal debacle.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
In Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Well, I keep thinking about that play too, because if
they just block that play, well, they probably already have
a playoff spot locked up, and we're talking about a
nine to fourteen that I think the rest of it.
There's a lot of teams at eight and five right now,
there's not many at nine and four or better. I
think the Broncos would be taken a lot more seriously
and they'd have a chance at catching the AFC West throw.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Let me give you an interesting stat by the way,
Kansas City at twelve and one, and the raging debate
on social media is me I'm like, they're a good
team that's gotten incredibly lucky as well.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Both things can be true at the same time.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Right, the Kansas City's twelve and one with a fifty
six point differential. That means the fifty six more scored
fifty six more than they've allowed.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Right, twelve and one with a fifty six point differential.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Denver and the Chargers are both eight and five with
seventy and seventy one point differentials.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
That's how lucky Kansas City has gotten this year. That's insane.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You're twelve and one with a fifty six point differential,
That is absolutely insane. Buffalo mean, whilst ten and three
of the one hundred and twenty nine point differential, and
they lost their last game, the last game where Josh
Allen put up six touchdowns. They lost that game. That
took away from their differential. I mean, to me, that
is absolutely astronomical number.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Like, it's difficult for me to fathom.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Philadelphia eleven at two one hundred and eight point differential,
Detroit at twelve and one one hundred and eighty three
point differential. Teams that have a fifty point differential around
the league records usually are six.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And seven, seven and six. Like, if you're in that.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Range, that that plus fifty to minus fifty year, you're
usually at the seven and sixty six and seven kind
of range. Meanwhile, case he's twelve to one, Like, it's
just they're they're an insanely lucky team.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Whether it's a block field goal at the end or
a point field goal in their favor at.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
The end or whatever, they are an insanely lucky football team.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
And that doesn't mean they're not good because they are good.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
You can be good and lucky at the same two
things can be true at the same time.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
But man, it is.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
It is fascinating to watch, especially with the pushback that
I get on social media from the Chiefs fans when
because somebody asked me the question who's better than their
record and who's worse than their record? Are better than
their record and the Chiefs are worse than their record,
and all the pushback I immediately get from the from the
(09:08):
Kansas City barbecue eating crowd. I'm not saying Kansas City
is not good. They're a good football team, but they're
also an incredibly lucky team. And I've seen an incredibly
lucky team up close and personal in the run up
to Super Bowl fifty. The Broncos were We're a good
football team, they also got incredibly lucky.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Sometimes you need that.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yeah, And to your point about the Bengals and the Chiefs,
look at we two. I mean, I didn't buy the
pass interference conspiracy, but that's the Bengals going into Kansas City,
and you know they are and I think it was
a legitimate penalty, but they're one penalty call away from
winning that game and upsetting the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
And yeah, it is a lot of luck. They are
a great team.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
You don't get to twelve and one without being a
really dominant squad. But they're playing five hundred football kind
of to your point, they're very unimpressive.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
They're playing coin flip football, except it's always coming up heads.
It's ridiculous. I'm an advanced analytics guy.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
And they're the third DVOA, which is a popular one
from the FTN has them as the third best team
in the AFC West, two behind the Chargers and the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Like they're very flawed.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
They just keep finding a way to win these games.
And it's not always Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I mean, in fact, field goals have have attributed to
two of the way, whether it was the blocked field
goal against the Broncos or the deint field goal by
the backup kicker against the Charger, field goals had been
parts of it had no Holmes had nothing to do.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
With either one. And then you have the fumbled snap.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
You just have a weird snap time where there's a
miscommunication between Aiden O'Connell and a center and they're pedally
and all that kind of stiff. It's just not super replicable,
but they keep replicating it, so who knows.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Maybe it is. Yeah, it's it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
By the way, the only other team with a fifty
four to fifty four instead of fifty two point differential.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Tampa is a fifty four point differential team.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
To put Kansas City in perspective, they're seven and six
football team. Right, If you're a double digit win football team,
every other team in the NFL that is a double
digit win team, every single one, with the exception of
the Pittsburgh Steelers, or have one hundred or more points. Well,
(11:25):
I take it, but the bidens at ninety nine. But
the Steelers are at an eighty five point differential. But
they had justin fields early on, and they were winning
some of those coin flip games, whereas with Russ they're
they're winning big, you know, in the way that you're
supposed to look over an offense, A competent offense is
supposed to be run well.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
And they've had their fair share of you know, weird
games too.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Everyone's been meaning about the the Devil Magic game between
the Steelers and the Chiefs on December twenty fifth, because
those two teams both have crazy luck, and yet the
Steelers have a worse record and a point differential twice
as good. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
They have to they have to, like the horseshoe has
to be split if they think they're Gonnay, it's gotta
be a trophy for whatever weird reason has a horse
shoe on it or around foot or a wishbone. There
you go, even though neither team runs the wishbone daily.
Well it's a flex bone. But you know I understand
that you you you, you youths utes?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
What what is a ute? Uh?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
You youth do not know the difference in option football
between the wishbone and the flexbone.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
But they are. They're drastically different. They're unbalanced. Right.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Well, I will, yes, you know what I'm gonna do.
I will bring the the PlayStation up here and I
will show you the difference between the wishbone and the flexbone.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
We need to have a game. We need to have
a game.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I hear you talk a big game, and I I'm
ready to go.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I'm ready. I'll bring it up here. We need to
make that happen. One of these days.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
We'll we'll do that real soon. We'll we'll find name,
we'll bring it up here. We'll have the game to
end the whole games. What what team do you play?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, I'm gonna take like Ohio State or Oregon or
so Okay, So if you plays.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Is that what you play with? Get know? But I
will for this game. Who's what's your default team? My
default team? See you well, players, see you. It's fun
what you're comfortable with.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I don't want you to get uncomfortable not know something
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I know there's gonna be NonStop trash talk if I
lose this game.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I'm taking Oregon.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, run your goofy offense against that Oregon defensive front.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Good luck, there's I went back to play on the
PlayStation ring Yeah, okay, just make sure not you're not
Xbox guys.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
You don't have the console excuse.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, you're trying to You're trying to cover up all
my excuses.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Exactly. That's exactly what I'm doing. I guess one hundred
percent what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I take you every excuse away from you before I
demolish you with a nineteen twenties offense. Make me bring
my own creaming out names of guys that used to
do carsog.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You know I'm gonna be screaming out names the guys
that you know they played nineteen forty flexible and style offense.
We're gonna make this happen.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I'm looking forward to it all right, Brocaus Country, and
now we get six packs after this.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Six six nine zero is the text lines. Actually, he's
back there behind the glass.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Appreciates Steve at Water for joining us in the first
hour and Destin Adams for joining.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Us earlier as well. Talk a little bit about the
Indianapolis Colts.
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Speaker 1 (14:28):
I'm gonna trek that last year insight and insight information
you can't find anywhere else I know.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
The top six NFL headlines.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
On Bill Belichick is reportedly, according to Allie Connolly, accepting
the UNC job down in Chapel Hill. What are your
expectations for Bill Belichick's first year as a college football
head coach?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Well, we don't. Is it done done? Like is that
Neil done? Sorry, it's not done done?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
If it happenstris Seas, Yeah, let me because I made
some phocals on this this morning and it was out
there a little bit stronger than it should be.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
First of all, Bill Belichick sent over basically, what is
his list of demands to unc This has not past
the board of trustees there, in fact, they haven't even
tabled it for a vote yet. But he basically put
together a four hundred page whatever you want to call it.
I hesitate to use the word in manifesto these days
because they're the connotation, but put together a four hundred
page bible of what it is that he would want,
(15:31):
which would basically be full control of the program, a
general manager of his choosing that they would handle recruiting,
and basically the university would just stay out of his way.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
He wouldn't able to have to do the you know,
the nil booster glad handing, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
They would just agree to provide certain amounts of money
to be able to do all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
He sent over his I will take.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
This job if list, basically one of which includes his
son being the coach and waiting Steve Belichick being the
coach and waiting. There So, UNZ has not offered the
job to Bill Belichick. There is not an agreement in place,
just Bill Belichick's sending over, Hey, I'd be willing to
do this if you meet these demands. And here's my
four hundred page bible on help we do this. I
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don't think Bill Belichick's cut out for the college game.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
That said, from what I was told, he reached out
to UNC first, not the other way around, so that
surprised me a little bit. I'm not saying he can't
do it. I mean, he's Bill Belichick. I don't think
he couldn't do it. I don't know why you fire
Mac Brown for being too old and then you turn
around and hire another seventy plus person to run the program.
(16:38):
I think Bill Belichick said his best in the NFL game,
and I feel like that. To me, this felt like
something as a promotional bump to keep his name going
that he's still in demand for NFL jobs.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
But this has gotten the point where it might be
a serious thing that he actually winds up doing so.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I kind of thought that Jacksonville would make him an
offer into clean house and give him the control that
he wants.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I'm not the curiosity factor is there for sure. I'm
not the biggest proponent of Belichick going to the college game,
but the curiosity factors there.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I just can't.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Imagine him sitting in some kids living room trying to
recruit him, like.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Beg him to come to UNC.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
That does not seem up Beelichick's alley whatsoever. With the
Cowboys losing to the Bengals last night, that probably means
both teams will not be playing January football this year,
despite the high expectations both franchises had coming into this season.
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Who do you think the twenty twenty four season has
been more disappointing for and who do you think has
the worst outlook?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Man, I think the season is probably more disappointing for
the Bengals in the sense that they have scored thirty
plus points four times and lost you know you can
four losses, have scored thirty plus points like they've had
the capability to do it. Dallas has not had the
capability to do it like they came into this season. Though.
By the way, then your quarterback after you pay him,
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he gets hurt, You've had injuries, you lost games you
shouldn't like. Dallas was just the they ran it back
and didn't have the horses to get there. Cinty's got
the horses and still lost.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So you know, I.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Think it's more disappointing for the Cincinnati Bengals. I do
believe that Dallas is closer to blowing it up, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I mean, although that's tough.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
You're locked into Dak Prescott and Ceedee Lamb, and I
don't know if you've got the money to be able
to pay Michael Parsons. That's going to be a tough
sell to somebody to come in. And oh, by the way,
as a head coach, you're going to be facing the
Jerry Show all the time.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
You're a head coach, but you've got the Jerry Jones
show all the time.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
That's a tough sell to people. You know, Dallas used
to be an easier sell. Certainly was an easier sell
when you're coming off the longevity of the Jason Garrett era.
But if you're coming off Mike McCarthy, I don't know,
and I don't know who takes that job, who wants
that job, because you're not going to get input on
a general manager that's going to be Jerry. Now, you
do have Will McLay up there, who does an excellent
job of scouting and handling those kinds of things. But
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Jerry's Jerry, and he welcomes a circus and you've got
to be prepared for that.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
It seems with every passing year it becomes more and
more obvious that Jerry's priority isn't winning.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
How interesting does it go from for Mike McCarthy, who
coached previously a team that had no owner in the
Green Day Packers and their general manager. Is just kind
of a de facto, you know situation to going to
Jerry Jones. You know that's a wild swing, by the way,
for Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, he seems to have done fairly well with it.
I think Jerry Jones. A big factor for him is
can I be friends with this head coach? And the
fact that Mike McCarthy's lasted this long makes me think
those guys get along fairly well outside of maybe the sunshape. Yeah, sorry,
Jonathan Brooks, What are the more exciting intriguing running backs
(19:47):
from this past draft class? Fell in the draft because
he had an ACL tear. Unfortunately, he toured that same
ACL yet again this past week and the loss to
the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
But what does this mean for the Panthers?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Readbuilt potentially losing a young exciting, highly drafted.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Piece like this.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Well, I mean, the Panthers have been playing good football
without Jonathan Brooks. Ever since Bryce Young, k back Subhabbard
got that contract, he's been playing pretty well. I think
Brooks was expected the factor in and make a great
one to punch with Chewbahabbard. But you know, to be
honest with you, I don't think the Carolina Panthers. They're
suddenly playing pretty good defense. Bryce Young is playing good
on the offensive side of the ball. You know. I
(20:25):
like what Dave can Alys is slowly starting to build it.
I don't think that the loss of Brooks is really
detrimental to that at all. You know, I think they
obviously are still some pieces away. They need to explosive playmakers,
that kind of thing. But I mean, I think that
team is for where they're going to be drafting this year.
I still think they're better than their I think they're
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better than the record now. I think they looks like
they have positive momentum. Well see if that carries over
this offseason what they're able to do. But Caroline is
not a joke like they were early in the season,
no kidding, I mean they were looking historically bad that
first month of the season, and now, I don't know,
their outlook looks a lot brighter, a lot rosier than
you know, some of these teams like the Giants and
(21:06):
you know, gets really.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Ugly out there. Yeah, I mean yeah, I just Carolina,
don't sleep on nown. It looks like to make a
positive momentum. Sorry about that then, for worries.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
AJ Brown said to reporters after that narrow win over
the Carolina Panthers that the Eagles needed to improve their passing.
A little bit of a veiled shot at Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Do you think A. J.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Brown could maybe be moved this offseason? And if so,
do you think the Broncos should be in on the sweepsticks?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Well, yes and no, I mean could he be moved? Absolutely?
And wheeling deal and you know Howie Roseman has been
known to, you know, to make those kinds of deals
and move big players, and.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I mean to move for A J.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Brown was big, you know, getting the first round draft
pick and giving that up. You know, the Eagles are
thirty first in the league in passing yards, but the
number want and rushing, so they haven't They've they've sort of.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Made up for that.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
If AJ is discontent with his with his role within
the offense or his production. And mean, he's getting close
to one thousand yards receiving. He doesn't leave the team
in touchdowns as about a smith, but you know, I
mean he's he's at eight hundred and thirty six yards
on the season, and I think he's done fairly well.
I Jalen Hurts, you know, Shane Steiken got the most
out of him.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I really felt like that. And then you had last.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Year's tobacco with what's his name of oct Kellen Moore
at oc there and I've not been the biggest fan
of Kellen More, to be honest with you, Hurts, this passing.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Sixty eight percent on the year, sixteen.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Touchdowns to five picks me, it's not been terrible. It's just,
you know, kind of lesser production than you want. I
think part of that is due to the fact that
you're running the ball so successfully. I think at the
end of the day, if you're if you're a guy
that's you know that's sort of grousing about touches when
you're winning this much, that certainly says something to me.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Could AJ get moved on shore should it come to
the to the Broncos. I don't know about that. I mean, again,
what are you doing there?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
If you're doing that, then you're definitely punching on Courtland
Sutton in order to make that happen. But if a guy,
if you see a guy who's already concerned about his stats,
what are you doing.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Importing that rather than winning? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, that doesn't seem like it maybe go over so
well with Sean Payne. Seems like primming some of those
characters was a primary focus when he came in.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Right and the Eagles, I mean, why would you complain? Now,
Eagles haven't lost since they lost to the Tampa before
the bye week. I mean they've been maybe won.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Since they haven't lost, But I said they lost it
with September.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Are you what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Like?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
What are you doing injecting that? In the conversation.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Five on the Pat Macafe You Show Today, Bobby Wagner
hopped on and said he felt like Denver didn't fully
embrace Russell Wilson and that was a contributor to his
struggles in the Mile High City compared to what he's
now doing in Pittsburgh. Do you think Denver should have
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done more to embrace for Russ, and if so.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
What would that have been. I mean, I don't really know.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I think that the expectations for Russ in that first
season were so high and then it didn't really matter.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
You know, like nothing was gonna meet him.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
And then the fact that Russ was trying to cut
it through injuries while not let that get out, you know,
and the Nathan the Nate Hackett debacle that was going on. There.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
There was so much going on in that.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
First Russell Wilson season that I don't think there was
anything that could and it turned sours so fast because.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
They did give up guys who were fan favorites.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
You know, you sent Shelby Harris, you said Drew Locke
and Newel.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Locke was not going to be the guy. I mean,
like he was kind of a fan favorite.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You said, noah fan, You sent all the draft picks,
you paid him all the money. You know, all those
things were happening all at once, and then you know,
Nate Hackett was not cut out to be a head
coach and miss certainly not this juncture. And Russ came
in and and to be fair, you know, we hadn't
had a superstar quarterback and all that entails here in Denver.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
In a while, we'd had Joe Flacco in case Keenum
and Teddy Bridgewater and you know, those kinds of things,
but we didn't we didn't know.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
What it was like to have a superstar quarterback with
an entourage.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And it just soured quick.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
And Russell Wilson wasn't bad last year, like he wasn't
He wasn't a fit for what Sean.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Payton was trying to do.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
But the Broncos with the number one scoring team in
the NFL in the fourth quarter, when they cut Russ
loose and let him do his thing, you know, and and.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
We're seeing him do his thing in Pittsburgh and what
that looks like. There's some there's still some missis.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
You're still gonna take some sacks, You're still gonna have
those kinds of situations.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
But it's it's a high variance thing.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
But when he's on, he's on, and he's had he's
made a Hall of Fame caliber career doing it.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
So I mean, I don't know what the fan base.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Maybe he could have been a little bit more lenient
and recognized that that first year it was a comedy
of errors with all the things that were going on.
I think a lot of the fans don't understand that
Russ really wasn't healthy most of that first year. He
had shoulder injury issues, he had had a leg issue.
I mean, there was there was There was injuries going
on that year, and he was trying to hide that
and putting the pressure on himself. I think Russ could
have done a better job in sort of being more
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relatable to people, but there was just a combination of things.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
He wasn't relatable, It didn't work with the locker room,
the head.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Coach was was a disaster there or finger pointing everywhere
with the blame and and it just ended up being
a debacle.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
And Sean Payton didn't want to be part of that.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
He wrote it out the one year until they could
afford to cut him and and sort of did that
and everybody's better off now. I don't have any ill
will for Russ, and there are people that do. I
don't because I know some of the stuff that he
went through. But at the same time, could Denver have
been nicer to him? Yeah, I mean I guess, but
you know, at the end of the day, I think
everybody's just better off.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, seems like everyone's yeah, well divorced that everyone needed.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yes, sick. Last one for you year.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Dan Graziano of ESPN has released his list of the
top ten head coaching candidates for this upcoming cycle. The
top five Ben Johnson one, Mike Frable at two, Belichick
at three, Aaron Glenn at four, and Brian Flores at five.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
It was six through ten. I'm just curious. I don't
know if thought I would not have Aaron Glenn in
that list.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Okay, well that sets on my question, who do you
think doesn't belong on that top in that top five and.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Who would you replace them with? Aaron Glenn?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I mean, no disrespect to Aaron Glen, who will absolutely
get interviews and may get a head coaching job. I
haven't seen as much out of him that I would.
I mean, the Detroit Lions just drafted a really good
defensive lineman. You know, like, I'm not sure what is
it that Aaron Glenn does it makes him superior to
for instance, Vance Joseph.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
You know, I think the Lion zeitgeist that at all
is probably maybe the winning culture and all that kind
of stuff, and maybe there's something to that, and I again,
I don't want to take anything from Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
At the same time, my personal rankings would not have
him in there. There are some other guys like, for instance,
Vance Joseph that I would I would put in that list.
Although Vance may or may not get hired, he got
it Joys being to DC. We'll see if he sticks
that out. I mean, Broncos fans, I think are kind
of hoping he gets hired because they get the two
third round draft picks, and Jim Leonard would be, you know,
next man up, assuming, by the way, be careful Nebraska.
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From what I understand, University of Nebraska, but eyeball on
Jim Leonard as their DC party.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
White went to Florida State.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
To join Mike Norvell staff there, and so you know
that Nebraska needs the DC. If Jim Leonard wants to
go back to the collegiate game.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
You'll have offers that scares me. Would like to keep
Jim Leonard in Denver. To answer your question, the sixth
through ten on that list, No, Okay, six through ten, six,
Vance Joseph, seven, Joe Brady eight, Kellen Moore nine, Cliff
Kingsbury ten Jesse minter.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Minstor belongs on that list. Vance belongs on that list.
Cliff may get some looks.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I doubt it. I think Cliff stays another year there
with Washington, and then.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
What was the Joe Brady No is still too young?
And then what was the other name on there? The
other offensive name. There's a name right after Vance, Joe.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Advanced, Joe Brady. Kellen Moore, Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore has
bombed head coaching interviews. Yeah, I don't I don't think
he's I mean, I'm not sure Kellen Moore is an.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
OC in this league let alone.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I mean, he is an offensive coordinator, but what I'm
saying is it's a long term offensive coordinator in this league.
I think he's more of a quarterback coach offensive so well,
so we'll see.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I mean maybe, you know, maybe, But as a.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Head coach, I don't know about Kellen Moore being a
head coach. People keep trying to foist that on us
every year. I don't understand it.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah, he was really exciting or like exciting up and
coming Wunderkin when he was like the quarterback coach of
the Cowboys and he had that.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
First O c run.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
But ever since he became in oc it seems like
his star has dimmed a bit with each passing years.
It's you know, it hasn't fully clicked in Dallas, it
didn't fully click in LA and now it's what you're
just talking about with Jalen Hurts and Philly.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
They're one of the worst.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Passing teams in the league, and he wants to throw
the ball all the time. That's that's sort of his thing. Again,
They're the number on rushing team. They're averaging a heart
and ninety one rushing yards per game. You got Saquon
in there, so I sort of get it if you know,
if if the passing yards aren't there, if the opportunities
an't there, because you've got such a great run game.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
But you know, I, I.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Don't know, is it Jalen Hurts is at Kelvin Moore
at this point, Kellen Moore's had three stars, three stops,
and it kind of appears like it's him because he's
It's funny, you know, Shane's justin Herbert's career went from
Shane Steiken in year one where he was incredible, to
Joel Lombardy roc right now who and it kind of
went downhill a little bit, and then to Kellen Moore,
I went down even further.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
You know, so I I I don't know. For me,
I don't I wouldn't be excited about that.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
I remember when he was interviewed by the Broncos and
people were all excited about him, like, I don't know
about that. I was one of them. Was one of
them that wasn't hype funny? Yeah, I wasn't my wasn't
my guy. Of course my guys are you know my
guys did make head coach. We'll see I Kellen Moore
gets that opportunity, be gets a chance to indicate
Speaker 2 (30:56):
You after all, Broncos Country Tonight holding on after this
And Ben's been all right here with these actually years
back there behind the glass, you see the other stirring
back there as well. It's actually having a party back there.
It work, it work, I'm familiar with I'm familiar with that.
It was a long time IT guy in the army,
and then I have my own company for a while
before I got into Uh, I gotta know all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
So much better LT now, I'm kidding.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Certainly didn't have as many people griping at me on Twitter,
So dude, now five six, six times zero.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
He is the text line Broncos facing.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
And again, I can't overstate this what must be the
most important game for the Denver Broncos in Denver since
the lead up to Super Bowl fifty. It's it's quite
simply a playoff game in a lot of ways because
the Colts are the other team. I mean, you could
see Cincinnatia, there's a scenario where everybody loses.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Out, Cincinnati wins out, and that kind of sort of
thing happens. But really, this is this is a playoff
game for you.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
These next games are sort of playoff games in a
lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yes, especially when you look at you know, the easy
schedules the Colts have, even the Dolphins have, you know,
and with how different those first round matchups could be,
going to Buffalo is a lot different than going to
Houston or even going to Pittsburgh right now. So there's
a lot at stake for them over these last four games,
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and I think all of them will be a solid challenge.
I think they're all winnable, but you know, the Bengals
are the weakest team on that slate.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
They could easily upset the Broncos. They're winnable, but they're
all losable too. And that's the thing, like, there's there's
scenarios here where you know, obviously you you you would
hope that you can beat the Colts.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I mean, you would hope that, but you know, a.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Thursday night, short week game on the road in Los
Angeles against arguably one of the most physical teams even football,
in the Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Is a tough ask. Going toe to toe with.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
The Cincinnati Bengals, one of, if not the premier offenses
in the NFL, is a tough task.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
And then, oh, by the way, the Kansas.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
City Chiefs, who have a horseshoe lodged in their rectum
right now and can't seem to.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Find ways to lose even when they're doiking kicks, they're
doyking them in.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And I'm not saying that because I picked the Chargers,
but I am saying that because I picked the Chargers
in that game and the pro pick them challenge and
lost my lead and now it's a three way TI
there at the top.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, even though there's a chance there's backups in that game,
you just can't bank on that. If you're the Broncos.
That's the dam to assume it's gonna be a nightmare
game in Week eight game, That's.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
The thing watched car even if it is the backups,
watched Carson Wentz come out and just carve them up
out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Maybe the worst beat down of the Mahomes reed era
on the Broncos was when what's his face out?
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Chad Henny just lit them up.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
War came in when Mahomes That's what I mean. Yeah,
my Thursday is what I call it. I had a
I had a fortune on that game.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I did.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I I had Like it's because I knew that Mahomes
was out, Like so I on my phone.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I'm bet since I'm in the stadium and.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I bet before you know, words can get out and
the line changes, and I lost an absolute fortune on
that game. That's a sickening amount of money. Is the
largest loss I've ever had, and it was. It still
still haunts me to stay. But my point is the
Broncos aren't gonna want to give anything away to Kansas
City either, right Like, maybe on what your record is
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in that game, it may be a must win game,
it may not, but you don't want to give anything
away to Kansasity in that game because you're going.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
To turn around and play them again theoretically very soon.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
So you don't want to give anything away in the
second of what would be three games against Kansas City
that year possibly.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So there's there's a lot going on those kinds of things. Again,
A short.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Week game on the road against a team that already
beat you this year, the Chargers beat you at home.
The Cincinnati Bengals, who are suddenly figuring, you know, playing
a little bit better, even though the defense still stinks.
Their offense is nothing to sneeze at. If you thought
the Browns were carving us up, why do you get
a load of the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
And then you've got the Kansas.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
City Chiefs here at home those two games when we're
on the road, then you get Kansas City here at home.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
And even if it is backup saying that, those are
guys that are.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Probably fighting for jobs somewhere else, you don't think they
go to try and play hard.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So I to me, this really is a winning you're
in scenario.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
You could theoretically lose out and still not.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Naked, but you need help at that point.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, if you in this one, you in one other
game and it's it's.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Curse you and this one, and you could you're probably in.
You win one more, You're definitely in. That's the thing
like it. So this is such an important game. And
again I understand everybody gets tired of there's.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
The must win game. This is the most important game.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
You know, every hot take artist who the microphone is
out there saying that about every game, trying to hype
that up in order to sell their radio program or whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
But this one actually is.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
Yeah, either teams playoff, odds are going to sw by
sixty seventy percent.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It's insane.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
And to your point, if the Broncos win this game,
the conversation next week is going to be uh, hey,
they beat the Chargers, they beat the Chiefs, there may
be the five seed in the AFC and have a
much easier first round matchup as opposed to this talk about,
you know, battling for the seventh seed. Can the Broncos
finally break the playoff drought?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
The stakes are huge?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, I think if you're the Broncos, like you're doing
everything you can because you want that you want that
six or fifth seed, either one. If you can get
either the six or fifth seed, because at that point,
you're either playing Houston or Pittsburgh, right and dramatically different,
which is dramatically different than going to Kansas City or Buffalo,
and so those are that's that's exactly what are Baltimore,
you know, I mean like like any of the above
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as far as as any of that kind of stuff goes.
And so like that's one of those things where you're
you're sitting there looking at this like, man, if I
can you know, if I can get that vin, all
of a sudden, you got you've got the path sort
of paid. And so there's isn't it fun to be
talking about playoff scenarios this day? This this latest season, though.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
It's great and I legitimately I think the Broncos have
a good chance to win one. Like last year, you know,
we were kind of having it was further fetched and
it was also just I don't know, it felt like
just getting into the playoffs would have been the prize
and that would have been the ceiling of what that
team could have accomplished. See. I don't think they're gonna
win the Super Bowl, but could they beat you know,
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the Texans on the road or even the Steelers on
the road. I think very possibly, well.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Very beatable.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
And then you get the Chiefs, who they've been extremely lucky,
but maybe you block or the field goal doesn't get
blocked this time, and then next thing you know, you're
in the NFC Championship game. I don't think that's the
most insane idea for the Broncos to go on a
little mini playoff run.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Here longest winning streaks in the NFL right.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Now is a tie between Kansas City and Denver, both
and won three straight. The Broncos last loss, of course,
to the last second field goal debacle.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
In Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Well, I keep thinking about that play too, because if
they just block that play, well, they probably already have
a playoff spot locked up, and we're talking about a
nine to fourteen that I think the rest of it.
There's a lot of teams at eight and five right now,
there's not many at nine and four or better. I
think the Broncos would be taken a lot more seriously
and they'd have a chance at catching the AFC West throw.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Let me give you an interesting stat by the way,
Kansas City at twelve and one, and the raging debate
on social media is me I'm like, they're a good
team that's gotten incredibly lucky as well.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Both things can be true at the same time.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Right, the Kansas City's twelve and one with a fifty
six point differential. That means the fifty six more scored
fifty six more than they've allowed.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Right, twelve and one with a fifty six point differential.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Denver and the Chargers are both eight and five with
seventy and seventy one point differentials.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
That's how lucky Kansas City has gotten this year. That's insane.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You're twelve and one with a fifty six point differential,
That is absolutely insane. Buffalo mean, whilst ten and three
of the one hundred and twenty nine point differential, and
they lost their last game, the last game where Josh
Allen put up six touchdowns. They lost that game. That
took away from their differential. I mean, to me, that
is absolutely astronomical number.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Like, it's difficult for me to fathom.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Philadelphia eleven at two one hundred and eight point differential,
Detroit at twelve and one one hundred and eighty three
point differential. Teams that have a fifty point differential around
the league records usually are six.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And seven, seven and six. Like, if you're in that.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Range, that that plus fifty to minus fifty year, you're
usually at the seven and sixty six and seven kind
of range. Meanwhile, case he's twelve to one, Like, it's
just they're they're an insanely lucky team.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Whether it's a block field goal at the end or
a point field goal in their favor at.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
The end or whatever, they are an insanely lucky football team.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
And that doesn't mean they're not good because they are good.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
You can be good and lucky at the same two
things can be true at the same time.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
But man, it is.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
It is fascinating to watch, especially with the pushback that
I get on social media from the Chiefs fans when
because somebody asked me the question who's better than their
record and who's worse than their record? Are better than
their record and the Chiefs are worse than their record,
and all the pushback I immediately get from the from the
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Kansas City barbecue eating crowd. I'm not saying Kansas City
is not good. They're a good football team, but they're
also an incredibly lucky team. And I've seen an incredibly
lucky team up close and personal in the run up
to Super Bowl fifty. The Broncos were We're a good
football team, they also got incredibly lucky.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Sometimes you need that.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Yeah, And to your point about the Bengals and the Chiefs,
look at we two. I mean, I didn't buy the
pass interference conspiracy, but that's the Bengals going into Kansas City,
and you know they are and I think it was
a legitimate penalty, but they're one penalty call away from
winning that game and upsetting the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
And yeah, it is a lot of luck. They are
a great team.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
You don't get to twelve and one without being a
really dominant squad. But they're playing five hundred football kind
of to your point, they're very unimpressive.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
They're playing coin flip football, except it's always coming up heads.
It's ridiculous. I'm an advanced analytics guy.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
And they're the third DVOA, which is a popular one
from the FTN has them as the third best team
in the AFC West, two behind the Chargers and the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Like they're very flawed.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
They just keep finding a way to win these games.
And it's not always Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I mean, in fact, field goals have have attributed to
two of the way, whether it was the blocked field
goal against the Broncos or the deint field goal by
the backup kicker against the Charger, field goals had been
parts of it had no Holmes had nothing to do.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
With either one. And then you have the fumbled snap.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
You just have a weird snap time where there's a
miscommunication between Aiden O'Connell and a center and they're pedally
and all that kind of stiff. It's just not super replicable,
but they keep replicating it, so who knows.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Maybe it is. Yeah, it's it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
By the way, the only other team with a fifty
four to fifty four instead of fifty two point differential.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Tampa is a fifty four point differential team.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
To put Kansas City in perspective, they're seven and six
football team. Right, If you're a double digit win football team,
every other team in the NFL that is a double
digit win team, every single one, with the exception of
the Pittsburgh Steelers, or have one hundred or more points. Well,
(11:25):
I take it, but the bidens at ninety nine. But
the Steelers are at an eighty five point differential. But
they had justin fields early on, and they were winning
some of those coin flip games, whereas with Russ they're
they're winning big, you know, in the way that you're
supposed to look over an offense, A competent offense is
supposed to be run well.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
And they've had their fair share of you know, weird
games too.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Everyone's been meaning about the the Devil Magic game between
the Steelers and the Chiefs on December twenty fifth, because
those two teams both have crazy luck, and yet the
Steelers have a worse record and a point differential twice
as good. It's crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
They have to they have to, like the horseshoe has
to be split if they think they're Gonnay, it's gotta
be a trophy for whatever weird reason has a horse
shoe on it or around foot or a wishbone. There
you go, even though neither team runs the wishbone daily.
Well it's a flex bone. But you know I understand
that you you you, you youths utes?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
What what is a ute? Uh?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
You youth do not know the difference in option football
between the wishbone and the flexbone.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
But they are. They're drastically different. They're unbalanced. Right.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
Well, I will, yes, you know what I'm gonna do.
I will bring the the PlayStation up here and I
will show you the difference between the wishbone and the flexbone.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
We need to have a game. We need to have
a game.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I hear you talk a big game, and I I'm
ready to go.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I'm ready. I'll bring it up here. We need to
make that happen. One of these days.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
We'll we'll do that real soon. We'll we'll find name,
we'll bring it up here. We'll have the game to
end the whole games. What what team do you play?
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, I'm gonna take like Ohio State or Oregon or
so Okay, So if you plays.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Is that what you play with? Get know? But I
will for this game. Who's what's your default team? My
default team? See you well, players, see you. It's fun
what you're comfortable with.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I don't want you to get uncomfortable not know something
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I know there's gonna be NonStop trash talk if I
lose this game.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I'm taking Oregon.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, run your goofy offense against that Oregon defensive front.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Good luck, there's I went back to play on the
PlayStation ring Yeah, okay, just make sure not you're not
Xbox guys.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
You don't have the console excuse.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Yeah, you're trying to You're trying to cover up all
my excuses.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Exactly. That's exactly what I'm doing. I guess one hundred
percent what I'm doing.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I take you every excuse away from you before I
demolish you with a nineteen twenties offense. Make me bring
my own creaming out names of guys that used to
do carsog.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You know I'm gonna be screaming out names the guys
that you know they played nineteen forty flexible and style offense.
We're gonna make this happen.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I'm looking forward to it all right, Brocaus Country, and
now we get six packs after this.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Six six nine zero is the text lines. Actually, he's
back there behind the glass.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Appreciates Steve at Water for joining us in the first
hour and Destin Adams for joining.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Us earlier as well. Talk a little bit about the
Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
You guys, miss said you go to Brockles Country Night
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Also my Hurrady of Mortgage podcast.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
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the NFL six pack. It's time for the NFL six pack.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I'm gonna trek that last year insight and insight information
you can't find anywhere else I know.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
The top six NFL headlines.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
On Bill Belichick is reportedly, according to Allie Connolly, accepting
the UNC job down in Chapel Hill. What are your
expectations for Bill Belichick's first year as a college football
head coach?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Well, we don't. Is it done done? Like is that
Neil done? Sorry, it's not done done?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
If it happenstris Seas, Yeah, let me because I made
some phocals on this this morning and it was out
there a little bit stronger than it should be.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
First of all, Bill Belichick sent over basically, what is
his list of demands to unc This has not past
the board of trustees there, in fact, they haven't even
tabled it for a vote yet. But he basically put
together a four hundred page whatever you want to call it.
I hesitate to use the word in manifesto these days
because they're the connotation, but put together a four hundred
page bible of what it is that he would want,
(15:31):
which would basically be full control of the program, a
general manager of his choosing that they would handle recruiting,
and basically the university would just stay out of his way.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
He wouldn't able to have to do the you know,
the nil booster glad handing, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
They would just agree to provide certain amounts of money
to be able to do all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
He sent over his I will take.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
This job if list, basically one of which includes his
son being the coach and waiting Steve Belichick being the
coach and waiting. There So, UNZ has not offered the
job to Bill Belichick. There is not an agreement in place,
just Bill Belichick's sending over, Hey, I'd be willing to
do this if you meet these demands. And here's my
four hundred page bible on help we do this. I
(16:14):
don't think Bill Belichick's cut out for the college game.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
That said, from what I was told, he reached out
to UNC first, not the other way around, so that
surprised me a little bit. I'm not saying he can't
do it. I mean, he's Bill Belichick. I don't think
he couldn't do it. I don't know why you fire
Mac Brown for being too old and then you turn
around and hire another seventy plus person to run the program.
(16:38):
I think Bill Belichick said his best in the NFL game,
and I feel like that. To me, this felt like
something as a promotional bump to keep his name going
that he's still in demand for NFL jobs.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
But this has gotten the point where it might be
a serious thing that he actually winds up doing so.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
I kind of thought that Jacksonville would make him an
offer into clean house and give him the control that
he wants.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I'm not the curiosity factor is there for sure. I'm
not the biggest proponent of Belichick going to the college game,
but the curiosity factors there.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I just can't.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Imagine him sitting in some kids living room trying to
recruit him, like.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Beg him to come to UNC.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
That does not seem up Beelichick's alley whatsoever. With the
Cowboys losing to the Bengals last night, that probably means
both teams will not be playing January football this year,
despite the high expectations both franchises had coming into this season.
(17:41):
Who do you think the twenty twenty four season has
been more disappointing for and who do you think has
the worst outlook?
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Man, I think the season is probably more disappointing for
the Bengals in the sense that they have scored thirty
plus points four times and lost you know you can
four losses, have scored thirty plus points like they've had
the capability to do it. Dallas has not had the
capability to do it like they came into this season. Though.
By the way, then your quarterback after you pay him,
(18:09):
he gets hurt, You've had injuries, you lost games you
shouldn't like. Dallas was just the they ran it back
and didn't have the horses to get there. Cinty's got
the horses and still lost.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
So you know, I.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Think it's more disappointing for the Cincinnati Bengals. I do
believe that Dallas is closer to blowing it up, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
I mean, although that's tough.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
You're locked into Dak Prescott and Ceedee Lamb, and I
don't know if you've got the money to be able
to pay Michael Parsons. That's going to be a tough
sell to somebody to come in. And oh, by the way,
as a head coach, you're going to be facing the
Jerry Show all the time.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
You're a head coach, but you've got the Jerry Jones
show all the time.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
That's a tough sell to people. You know, Dallas used
to be an easier sell. Certainly was an easier sell
when you're coming off the longevity of the Jason Garrett era.
But if you're coming off Mike McCarthy, I don't know,
and I don't know who takes that job, who wants
that job, because you're not going to get input on
a general manager that's going to be Jerry. Now, you
do have Will McLay up there, who does an excellent
job of scouting and handling those kinds of things. But
(19:02):
Jerry's Jerry, and he welcomes a circus and you've got
to be prepared for that.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
It seems with every passing year it becomes more and
more obvious that Jerry's priority isn't winning.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
How interesting does it go from for Mike McCarthy, who
coached previously a team that had no owner in the
Green Day Packers and their general manager. Is just kind
of a de facto, you know situation to going to
Jerry Jones. You know that's a wild swing, by the way,
for Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, he seems to have done fairly well with it.
I think Jerry Jones. A big factor for him is
can I be friends with this head coach? And the
fact that Mike McCarthy's lasted this long makes me think
those guys get along fairly well outside of maybe the sunshape. Yeah, sorry,
Jonathan Brooks, What are the more exciting intriguing running backs
(19:47):
from this past draft class? Fell in the draft because
he had an ACL tear. Unfortunately, he toured that same
ACL yet again this past week and the loss to
the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
But what does this mean for the Panthers?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Readbuilt potentially losing a young exciting, highly drafted.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Piece like this.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Well, I mean, the Panthers have been playing good football
without Jonathan Brooks. Ever since Bryce Young, k back Subhabbard
got that contract, he's been playing pretty well. I think
Brooks was expected the factor in and make a great
one to punch with Chewbahabbard. But you know, to be
honest with you, I don't think the Carolina Panthers. They're
suddenly playing pretty good defense. Bryce Young is playing good
on the offensive side of the ball. You know. I
(20:25):
like what Dave can Alys is slowly starting to build it.
I don't think that the loss of Brooks is really
detrimental to that at all. You know, I think they
obviously are still some pieces away. They need to explosive playmakers,
that kind of thing. But I mean, I think that
team is for where they're going to be drafting this year.
I still think they're better than their I think they're
(20:46):
better than the record now. I think they looks like
they have positive momentum. Well see if that carries over
this offseason what they're able to do. But Caroline is
not a joke like they were early in the season,
no kidding, I mean they were looking historically bad that
first month of the season, and now, I don't know,
their outlook looks a lot brighter, a lot rosier than
you know, some of these teams like the Giants and
(21:06):
you know, gets really.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Ugly out there. Yeah, I mean yeah, I just Carolina,
don't sleep on nown. It looks like to make a
positive momentum. Sorry about that then, for worries.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
AJ Brown said to reporters after that narrow win over
the Carolina Panthers that the Eagles needed to improve their passing.
A little bit of a veiled shot at Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Do you think A. J.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Brown could maybe be moved this offseason? And if so,
do you think the Broncos should be in on the sweepsticks?
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Well, yes and no, I mean could he be moved? Absolutely?
And wheeling deal and you know Howie Roseman has been
known to, you know, to make those kinds of deals
and move big players, and.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
I mean to move for A J.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Brown was big, you know, getting the first round draft
pick and giving that up. You know, the Eagles are
thirty first in the league in passing yards, but the
number want and rushing, so they haven't They've they've sort of.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Made up for that.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
If AJ is discontent with his with his role within
the offense or his production. And mean, he's getting close
to one thousand yards receiving. He doesn't leave the team
in touchdowns as about a smith, but you know, I
mean he's he's at eight hundred and thirty six yards
on the season, and I think he's done fairly well.
I Jalen Hurts, you know, Shane Steiken got the most
out of him.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I really felt like that. And then you had last.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Year's tobacco with what's his name of oct Kellen Moore
at oc there and I've not been the biggest fan
of Kellen More, to be honest with you, Hurts, this passing.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Sixty eight percent on the year, sixteen.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Touchdowns to five picks me, it's not been terrible. It's just,
you know, kind of lesser production than you want. I
think part of that is due to the fact that
you're running the ball so successfully. I think at the
end of the day, if you're if you're a guy
that's you know that's sort of grousing about touches when
you're winning this much, that certainly says something to me.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Could AJ get moved on shore should it come to
the to the Broncos. I don't know about that. I mean, again,
what are you doing there?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
If you're doing that, then you're definitely punching on Courtland
Sutton in order to make that happen. But if a guy,
if you see a guy who's already concerned about his stats,
what are you doing.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Importing that rather than winning? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, that doesn't seem like it maybe go over so
well with Sean Payne. Seems like primming some of those
characters was a primary focus when he came in.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Right and the Eagles, I mean, why would you complain? Now,
Eagles haven't lost since they lost to the Tampa before
the bye week. I mean they've been maybe won.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Since they haven't lost, But I said they lost it
with September.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Are you what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Like?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
What are you doing injecting that? In the conversation.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Five on the Pat Macafe You Show Today, Bobby Wagner
hopped on and said he felt like Denver didn't fully
embrace Russell Wilson and that was a contributor to his
struggles in the Mile High City compared to what he's
now doing in Pittsburgh. Do you think Denver should have
(24:03):
done more to embrace for Russ, and if so.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
What would that have been. I mean, I don't really know.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I think that the expectations for Russ in that first
season were so high and then it didn't really matter.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
You know, like nothing was gonna meet him.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
And then the fact that Russ was trying to cut
it through injuries while not let that get out, you know,
and the Nathan the Nate Hackett debacle that was going on. There.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
There was so much going on in that.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
First Russell Wilson season that I don't think there was
anything that could and it turned sours so fast because.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
They did give up guys who were fan favorites.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
You know, you sent Shelby Harris, you said Drew Locke
and Newel.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Locke was not going to be the guy. I mean,
like he was kind of a fan favorite.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You said, noah fan, You sent all the draft picks,
you paid him all the money. You know, all those
things were happening all at once, and then you know,
Nate Hackett was not cut out to be a head
coach and miss certainly not this juncture. And Russ came
in and and to be fair, you know, we hadn't
had a superstar quarterback and all that entails here in Denver.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
In a while, we'd had Joe Flacco in case Keenum
and Teddy Bridgewater and you know, those kinds of things,
but we didn't we didn't know.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
What it was like to have a superstar quarterback with
an entourage.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And it just soured quick.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
And Russell Wilson wasn't bad last year, like he wasn't
He wasn't a fit for what Sean.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Payton was trying to do.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
But the Broncos with the number one scoring team in
the NFL in the fourth quarter, when they cut Russ
loose and let him do his thing, you know, and and.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
We're seeing him do his thing in Pittsburgh and what
that looks like. There's some there's still some missis.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
You're still gonna take some sacks, You're still gonna have
those kinds of situations.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
But it's it's a high variance thing.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
But when he's on, he's on, and he's had he's
made a Hall of Fame caliber career doing it.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
So I mean, I don't know what the fan base.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Maybe he could have been a little bit more lenient
and recognized that that first year it was a comedy
of errors with all the things that were going on.
I think a lot of the fans don't understand that
Russ really wasn't healthy most of that first year. He
had shoulder injury issues, he had had a leg issue.
I mean, there was there was There was injuries going
on that year, and he was trying to hide that
and putting the pressure on himself. I think Russ could
have done a better job in sort of being more
(26:12):
relatable to people, but there was just a combination of things.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
He wasn't relatable, It didn't work with the locker room,
the head.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Coach was was a disaster there or finger pointing everywhere
with the blame and and it just ended up being
a debacle.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
And Sean Payton didn't want to be part of that.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
He wrote it out the one year until they could
afford to cut him and and sort of did that
and everybody's better off now. I don't have any ill
will for Russ, and there are people that do. I
don't because I know some of the stuff that he
went through. But at the same time, could Denver have
been nicer to him? Yeah, I mean I guess, but
you know, at the end of the day, I think
everybody's just better off.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, seems like everyone's yeah, well divorced that everyone needed.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yes, sick. Last one for you year.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Dan Graziano of ESPN has released his list of the
top ten head coaching candidates for this upcoming cycle. The
top five Ben Johnson one, Mike Frable at two, Belichick
at three, Aaron Glenn at four, and Brian Flores at five.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
It was six through ten. I'm just curious. I don't
know if thought I would not have Aaron Glenn in
that list.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Okay, well that sets on my question, who do you
think doesn't belong on that top in that top five and.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Who would you replace them with? Aaron Glenn?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I mean, no disrespect to Aaron Glen, who will absolutely
get interviews and may get a head coaching job. I
haven't seen as much out of him that I would.
I mean, the Detroit Lions just drafted a really good
defensive lineman. You know, like, I'm not sure what is
it that Aaron Glenn does it makes him superior to
for instance, Vance Joseph.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
You know, I think the Lion zeitgeist that at all
is probably maybe the winning culture and all that kind
of stuff, and maybe there's something to that, and I again,
I don't want to take anything from Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
At the same time, my personal rankings would not have
him in there. There are some other guys like, for instance,
Vance Joseph that I would I would put in that list.
Although Vance may or may not get hired, he got
it Joys being to DC. We'll see if he sticks
that out. I mean, Broncos fans, I think are kind
of hoping he gets hired because they get the two
third round draft picks, and Jim Leonard would be, you know,
next man up, assuming, by the way, be careful Nebraska.
(28:11):
From what I understand, University of Nebraska, but eyeball on
Jim Leonard as their DC party.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
White went to Florida State.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
To join Mike Norvell staff there, and so you know
that Nebraska needs the DC. If Jim Leonard wants to
go back to the collegiate game.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
You'll have offers that scares me. Would like to keep
Jim Leonard in Denver. To answer your question, the sixth
through ten on that list, No, Okay, six through ten, six,
Vance Joseph, seven, Joe Brady eight, Kellen Moore nine, Cliff
Kingsbury ten Jesse minter.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Minstor belongs on that list. Vance belongs on that list.
Cliff may get some looks.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I doubt it. I think Cliff stays another year there
with Washington, and then.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
What was the Joe Brady No is still too young?
And then what was the other name on there? The
other offensive name. There's a name right after Vance, Joe.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Advanced, Joe Brady. Kellen Moore, Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore has
bombed head coaching interviews. Yeah, I don't I don't think
he's I mean, I'm not sure Kellen Moore is an.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
OC in this league let alone.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
I mean, he is an offensive coordinator, but what I'm
saying is it's a long term offensive coordinator in this league.
I think he's more of a quarterback coach offensive so well,
so we'll see.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I mean maybe, you know, maybe, But as a.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Head coach, I don't know about Kellen Moore being a
head coach. People keep trying to foist that on us
every year. I don't understand it.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah, he was really exciting or like exciting up and
coming Wunderkin when he was like the quarterback coach of
the Cowboys and he had that.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
First O c run.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
But ever since he became in oc it seems like
his star has dimmed a bit with each passing years.
It's you know, it hasn't fully clicked in Dallas, it
didn't fully click in LA and now it's what you're
just talking about with Jalen Hurts and Philly.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
They're one of the worst.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Passing teams in the league, and he wants to throw
the ball all the time. That's that's sort of his thing. Again,
They're the number on rushing team. They're averaging a heart
and ninety one rushing yards per game. You got Saquon
in there, so I sort of get it if you know,
if if the passing yards aren't there, if the opportunities
an't there, because you've got such a great run game.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
But you know, I, I.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Don't know, is it Jalen Hurts is at Kelvin Moore
at this point, Kellen Moore's had three stars, three stops,
and it kind of appears like it's him because he's
It's funny, you know, Shane's justin Herbert's career went from
Shane Steiken in year one where he was incredible, to
Joel Lombardy roc right now who and it kind of
went downhill a little bit, and then to Kellen Moore,
I went down even further.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
You know, so I I I don't know. For me,
I don't I wouldn't be excited about that.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
I remember when he was interviewed by the Broncos and
people were all excited about him, like, I don't know
about that. I was one of them. Was one of
them that wasn't hype funny? Yeah, I wasn't my wasn't
my guy. Of course my guys are you know my
guys did make head coach. We'll see I Kellen Moore
gets that opportunity, be gets a chance to indicate
Speaker 2 (30:56):
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