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Speaker 1 (00:00):
For great and I've lived without right mcfurgus Zack seekers
back there behind the glass five six six nine zero
is the tech SLNE. A lot of news going on today.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Bill Belichick has been announced as the new head football
coach at the University of North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I didn't think I'd see it happen, but here we are.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Belichick will take over, so that'll be the coach in
waiting there as well. You get, I mean this news
of them talking broke about a week ago, along with
them talking to Arthur Smith, the OC of the Pittsburgh Steelers,
and Tommy Reese, the he's an assistant there with the Browns,
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and that was that was really their wish list there,
which is an odd wish list, I guess overall, as
we look at this situation where Belichick's gonna take Mike
Lombardy to be his general manager there and they're gonna
run this thing like.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
A like a pro program in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Bill Belichick's eighteen wins away from the old time NFL
head coaching record. They fired Mack Brown for being too old,
and he's eight months younger or escue eight months older
than Bill Belichick. This one doesn't make sense to me
on just about any level.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Well, Ben, it.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Only makes sense to me on one specific level. And
what it says to me right off the bet is
that as great of an NFL coach, Hall of Fame
coach and then put in some respect on his name,
and that Bill Belichick is.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Those NFL jobs, we're not going to be there for him.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Because I look at it this way. We're in the
month of December. He still got January and February. Had
he just waited.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Maybe a couple of more months, a month and a half.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
We know the new cycle is going to turn over
and there's usually three, four, maybe five job openings and
a guy with his resume would possibly get a look.
But he knew, and so did his representation, that this
was the only opportunity. And I told Ryan last night
that maybe his representation they probably were going to try
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to use the North Carol Carolina job to kind of
for leverage interest in the league.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
LAFE job, but his agent and I don't.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Know who represent him, don't make a difference whoever he is.
They called around and they realized this is not what
the league wanted. And this last hiricycle said that because
Bill Belichick went on one interview, right, and that was
with the Atlanta Falcons, And we saw so.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Many younger coaches get jobs.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
So the NFL is telling us the direction that they're
moving in, and it's not with guys like Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, we saw the league move on for be Caroll,
you know, Bill Belichick, and we we've sort of, you know,
seen a youth movement, I guess, and in the coaching
ranks in the NFL. But I you know, as I
was talking to David Rick and Ryan during the last segment,
to me, this is bizarre. If you were going to
go for an older coach that you know for an
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NFL pipeline, why wouldn't you go get Pete Carroll who's
done this before.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Oh by the way, this time he doesn't have to
lie about it. And here's a great thing about it.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I'm glad you brought that up because when you look
at former NFL head coaches who made them move to
college football, some more successful, some were not. And we
had some guys who like you know, Steve Spurrier, Lane Kiffin,
Pete Carroll, who were better college coaches than they were
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pro coaches.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
But in the case of.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Pete Carroll, and he may be maybe an anomaly in
this situation. He failed in the pros, he went back
to college football to kind of hone his skills, if
you will, and then made the jump back to the
NFL with the Seattle Seahawks, taking everything that he learned
from USC and incorporated it into what we know the
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legion of Boom.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
What happened with Russell, Marshawn Lynch, all those guys. He
knew how to do it.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
So if there was a coach that North Carolina was
gonna go after, I would say Pete Carroll. But I
know there's a connection with you know Nick Saban, and
Saban didn't do well with the Dolphins, right, and he
jumped back in college football and he dominated. And just
think about what you said. I mean, Bill Belichick is
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gonna surround himself with guys who he's familiar with, Lombardi.
Lombardi has been around him for a while, right dating
back to where Nick Saban was with Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
It's part of the Cleveland Browns team. So he's bringing
those guys. But are you changing the way that you
orchestrate because his was wild man. You got a guy
who's seventy two years old, right, and you are throwing
him him back in the realm of college football. Well,
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we're talking about social media, Instagram. We got Lil Wayne,
little boosy, little baby whatever, little everything. Yes, and he's
gonna be asked to do a little more than what
he did with the Patriots. And I know the idea
is that, well, you know what, I'm not gonna be
hitting the cat the recruiting trail. That's gonna be everyone else.
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But I'm thinking these college kids are hit and understanding
the NIL and the transfer portal. That's gonna frustrate the
hell out of Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, I mean that's why he's got He hired Michael
Lobardi to beat the GM. I don't think Bill Belichick
is gonna be involved in recruiting.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Okay, So so Lombardi, who's used to dealing with pro athletes,
are college athletes pro athletes these days? Well, from an
nil money standpoint only mentality, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Now, you know, used to have twenty four year old millionaires.
Now you're talking about eighteen year old millionaires.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Cause you imagine, Okay, think about this, let's put it
in in this concept, this world and the NFL, Pokland,
Pardi and Bill Belichick had to deal with younger guys.
Maybe in the early twenties millionaires some of them. But
now you're dealing with guys who sixteen, eighteen, seventeen put
down millionaires, and you know what happens.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
They have that that that type of money with those
two letters.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Right ones at the beginning, Yes, Fox tried uniform many
Fox tried uniform money.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
So what are you gonna tell me if I got
Fox frot?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Like I'm sitting here, I'm literally trying to imagine Bill
Belichick trying to rerecruit his rock because that's what you
that's the biggest job of being a coach these days.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Like you got to prepare your team for game dale, the.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Other biggest part of your job is re recruiting your
own roster so somebody else doesn't come along and poach
them all for more money. It's the portal, buddy, we
got right, That's that's Bill.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Belichick's gonna re recruit his own roster. You kidding me.
This dude's gonna look, He's gonna look at a star
player in the mouth and be like, no, you go,
you come back this year?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
What I wan't bleep you then get out of here,
you know, I mean, I just I don't, I do
not understand. And Michael Lombardi, what has he ever done
ever that would.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Make you think he's gonna be successful?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Well, he's been attest to Bill Belichick, So me be frank.
So this is me that Bill Belichick's don't get the
van back together. He's gonna get Charlie Wise and all
those guys.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
And Obio Cornell and then Josh McDaniels. McDaniel's going to
the college game. Oh my god, please do your job.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Please? No, God, No God, No, I mean, like what
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
You know, at least I will say this for Michael Lobartiy.
At least he has been involved in the college game before.
He was the recruiting coordinator at UNLV from eighty one
to eighty four. That's how you gotta start.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
And how well did they he was?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Because he was it was under Harvey Hyde, So you know,
I couldn't. I don't know what their record was. He
I could go back and look in nineteen eighty one.
Let's see here, eighty one to eighty four he worked
for Harvey Hyde and did do it too bad. They
started off three and eight, they were seven to four
the second year, eleven and two by the time he left,
and then they went five to five and won the
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fall year. So as the recruited coordinator looks like back
in the early eighties when Michael Lombardi was involved it
last time he was involved to college football that you know,
he was a scout for the for the niners and
eighties and the Browns, worked for the Browns and then
the nineties, Eagles in ninety eighth and the Raiders for
a long time. He was here with the Broncos for
one year and he got fired for not knowing anything,
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and then you know, he went back to the Browns
for one season as a GM and VP, and then
you know.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Went back to Belichick.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
This is going to be interesting because the only thing
I'm thinking is the pages in a twenty year run,
what was that? Like?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I mean, now this means that he now needs to
go get it Ernie Adams to come in and be.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
A consultant because to me, when you talk about the
man in the machine, I mean, we talked about Belle
Belichick a lot, but Ernie Adams did not get the
credit that he deserves and.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
He's one of those the guys. He's one of those.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Guys like Alex Gibbs, who I feel there's a place
for them in ken There needs to be a place.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Dante Scarnaki, you saw what happened. They had to bring
about it retired. Yes, what are they gonna do it again? Man?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
They went down to the gacker barrel and took this
man out of his dinner at three pm.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Go to pat off line.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yes. So, if you are a quarter high school quarterback,
here's what I would encourage before you sign on the
dotted line to become.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
A recruit or player student athlete.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Right for the North Carolina Tarkias, I would implore you
and your parents to make one phone call. One phone
call only you know who that phone call is, Tom Brady.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Call Brady? Did you get all the lowdown? Or you
can just go watch the Dynasty? Yeah right?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I just for the life of me, and again, I
hate to keep banging the same drum here, but if
you were gonna do this, why not go get Pete Carroll.
Pe Carroll's done it, He's done it successfully. He knows
how to the college culture. He knows how to deal
with kids. And the thing about the sas is, I
know exactly what these is. North Carolina sees what Dion
Sanders is doing in Colorado and they say, Okay, we
can create our own paths to do with this thing.
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It will be a portal school, you know, and we'll
create our own paths to do it. The problem with
that is is, first of all, Dion hasn't had the
promised Land yet, they hadn't gone to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Second of all, Dion has his pulse on the culture.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I don't think that anybody is accidentally accusing Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Of having his pulse on the culture. If you know
what I mean, I know what you mean.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I'm glad to bring that up because it was one
of the topics I wanted to hit on tonight on
how the Prime effect is going to change the college
football landscape.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
This is just what is This is a domino. Okay,
this is just one element.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Oh there is another layer to this, and we'll get
to that late in the show. But looking at what
Prime did, and you said that Prime has noted the
promised Land. He has to go to the college football playoffs.
But look at what coach Prime has done.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
He had program to relevant to see you and Boulder
that program and Boulder they were on life support. They
were dead.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
They hit it irrelevant in years. They had one Bowl game,
the Mike McIntyre era, one proble game like the last twenty.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Years they were.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
That program was dead and now it is the epicenter
of college football. Even though they didn't make the playoffs,
it still is. They're still having a Colorado spot on
Sports Center every show.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
They're still making sure you get the question is.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
What is this program after Shador Travis Hunter, and whether
it's Prime or whether it those two.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
We'll find the answers out to the you know what,
I think that the program the program. I'm not gonna
say the program is going to be better, but.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
They're still going to be in a conversation because based
on the success and and if things happen for Cee
you on Saturday, that's gonna change things even more.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Right, So Prime is not gonna have an issue with
the transfer.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Reporter kid doesn't want to come there, like think about
it then, I mean, I'm sitting in your house right now,
and Coach Prime has already visaged visit to you already,
and Bill Belichick is coming to visit you as well.
After those two guys have visited you, what school do
you think you would choose North Carolina and Chapel Hill
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or see you both?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Are you probably choosing see you if you're gett the
sales sal say sales pitch from each Now, if North
Carolina is offering me more money, I gotta look at
that or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
But like beyond that, if you give me the same pitch, Yeah,
I'm going out there to Colorado.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I'm gonna play in the Big twelve where there it's
you know, it's a better conference you.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
So you said I if you and C offered you
more money, I think for some kids that's going to
be the case.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
There are some bottom line bottom line is the bottom
line type, right, But other kids are going to look
at USC has offered me more money? Right now? What
do I have the chance to increase my earnings? Boulded?
Right now?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Because you know the money's gonna come right right, Well,
whatever offer you, man, it's not gonna compare to what
you will be able to get. And so Dora said
it himself, right, he's going to be a part of
the collective.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
He's putting money back into the collective. So what are
you really missing out on? Yeah, I mean again, this
whole thing is is just it's just weird for me.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I like, I want to see it, obviously, but at
the end of the day, like, I don't understand this move.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Bill Belichick has no experience in the college came so
I do understand it.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I mean I did.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I understand it from from the school's point of view. Well,
I don't understand it from Bill Belichick. I do understand
it from his point of view.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
He's eighteen games away from from the old time winning
record in the NFL, and you boun difference.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Ben. If no one's willing to hire you, how are
you gonna break down Shoo's record?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
How are you gonna break it? Well, Jacksonville, Jacksonville was
had some interest.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Oh, I guess it wasn't strong interest, because you and
I both don't have this work. If they're strong interest
in Shag Cohan, the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars, could
have said to Bill Belichick and his people, Hey, listen,
you know what, don't make any hasty.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Moves just yet. You know you you're at the top
of our list.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
But What happened was Bill Belichick realized his bat was
against the wall with the resume.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Like he has in the NFL, his bat somebody would
have hired him this cycle, I do, even if they're
I just do someone always you thought someone was gonna
hire him.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I believe someone would hire Apparently based on the movie
he just made today, he knew, well you didn't know
that no one was gonna hire him.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Maybe so he took a job. Maybe. I mean, you
know that I again, and at the end of the day,
I mean, you know, we'll see, but like I.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Don't, I don't know, man, this is one of those
legacy defining moments that if it blows up, you know,
you're Bill Belichick, even your legacy already took a hit
when Tom Brady left and you weren't able to sustain
in the magic. You know, you got mac joneson there.
You go to college and you flop, and we're going
from from you know, an eight year span of talking
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about this is the greatest coach of all time to
what a ridiculous goofball.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You know, if this thing, if this thing blows up,
and I just I don't know, I mean, his his loan.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Experience with the college game is that his dad was
an assistant coach at Navy and UNC.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
The only thing I can say been from this standpoint,
he's doing what once again the prime effect.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It reminds me, you know, the first person.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
It reminds me of HERM And as a text points out,
it reminds me of Herm Edwards ASU, That's what it
reminds me of.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I'm like, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
But but Herm could communicate to his players a lot
better than also got.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
There before Nil because Hern was on the front end
of that like he was before an I L and
it was it was just a different it was just
a different thing.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Like Hern was there to be the CEO. He'd been
in media. He could communicate. He was a brand name
because he'd been in media.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
You know for a while, and his former agent was
athletics in Regwell and that helped him a little. But
it's one of those things where you're going after an
NFL named it, but this isn't that. You're not going
after an NFL named to be the CEO of glad Hands,
Moms in the living room and that kind of stuff.
I'm Herd Edwards, Bill.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Bochik is gonna be going to the living room. So
that's gonna be Michae Lombardy. This is just I don't know.
This isn't even the weirdest coaching us with that.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Wait, so Barty is going to be out on the
recruiting trail, and I as a parent, without seeing Bill
Belichick and him sitting in my living room, I'm supposed
to say to my four star, three star and five
star recruited son, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
To go with Lombardy. Well, go with Hi'll have campus
visits where you meet the coach and that kind of stuff. No, no, no, no,
but I want you to sit in my living room.
Ben Well from a five star. Bill will get on
the plane. Well you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
We'll see. But but once again, here's the prime effect.
Here's what I think Bill Belichick is doing. And as
a father myself, I understand.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Setting the sun up. Yes, yes, sir, I mean I
got to that angle. But man, what are you gonna
bounce that to one year trying to go back to
the league and couldn't get that record?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
He could he could at that point, because we know
every single year there's five jobs that's gonna be open,
and it's always gonna be as long as there's desperate people, right,
there's people making dumb mistakes.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah, I mean, I just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
It's Bill Belichick's own guy, and Lord knows he knows
this situation better than I do. I just looked at
this and I look at you and see and I'm like,
you're a middle of the pack ACC team. You're not
gonna be able to compete in terms of money with
certain other schools that are already in there in trench there.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
But maybe that's what North Carolina is. They thinking this
is gonna despite the money or something to collect it.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, you know what, you know, how it happens during
the offseason, We're going to see it take place here
come next year.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Teams winning the press conference, Right, we won an offseason.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Look at the players that we signed a free agency,
look at the players we drafted. Let's go ahead and
rank them. So maybe they're hoping that this would give
them a bump. Because remember Bill Belichick, his disciple was
Nick Saban. So Nick Saban could be somewhat of advisor
or a consultant, and you could tell him the reasons
why he left college football.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Don't do this, do this?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, I mean it's I don't know. That was even
the weird to me, the weirdest news of the day.
Rich rod potentially back there at West Virginia. Back there,
West Virginia back, they're back. The homecoming, rich Rodriguez back
at West Virginia.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Homecomings have been kind of We saw Bobby Patrido go
back to Arkansas this past year is the offensive and
that didn't really work out that well.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I don't, I don't know, man.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
You don't look man, that's life just a second act, right,
we all we all want a second act. That's a
second opportunity to prove the first time was a fluke.
Yeah you ever got back with the ex girlfriend?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yes? Oh so you so? You no first hand? So
so how does that work? The second act is different?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
And then I mean, it's funny that we're talking about
we went for North Carolina to talk about the second
because that was Mac Brown's second act in North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Guess it was, you know, I don't, I don't know.
You give it a shot and see what you got
to go from there.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
The way I look at it, it's like movie sequels.
Some sequels better than others. Some second acts better than sequels.
That's better than the original, yes, like what it probably
strikes back, All right, I'll give you that one. I mean, hell,
y all, you have to do the whole Harry Potter series.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I don't know. It's a had he never watched those
Harold Harold Potter. This is why you don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, he wasn't making pottery. The movie was misleading leads
the Weapon one and two were the best three and
more We're not good then.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, sequels, but was still less. Sequel one was still
better than two. Tomat kid I asked for.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I asked for sequels that were better than the original
Terminator too, top Gun not Top Gun, Top Gun, Maverick
original way better.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
No, no, don't pull that Ryan ever stuff with me.
Oh man, there are some movies that I think said
I have to go back, and I have to really
go back? And was two better than the first one?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
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Things start off the text line. You got a lot
of people they're probably doing on this, a lot of
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people on Twitter too, they're well, they're trying to be
Colorado and like coach Prime and all this, and I'm like, well,
but those are two wildly different things. Prime selling you
on the culture, not a coaching bona fides. Belichick's selling
you on his coaching bona fides. And he's doing it
to kids right now that we're ten years old. The
last time the Patriots won a Super Bowl what that's
in't true to.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
What the Texas were talking about, because this is really important.
Bill Belichick saying that if he had a college program,
that college program would be the pipeline to the NFL
because of the tools that they're gonna get in from
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the coaching staff. That is vaguely similar to what Deon
Sanders is preaching. And all you have to do is
look at his coaching staff to see what former players
and guys with experience like Robert Livingston, unlike Chack Kelly,
has had some NFL experience coaching for the Cincinnati Bengals,
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and bringing those type of guys into your organization helps
with recruiting because players are thinking, I want to get
to that next level. I want to play on Sundays.
How am I going to get there? These individual coaches
will help me get there, and banking on the fact
that this is what North Carolina is doing, They're banking
on the fact of Bill Belichick resume being a move
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to trump that the Dione Sanders because Bill Belichick can say, well,
I know not only been there, I'm a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I've done it. I wanted that, I did it as
a coach, but I just don't think to draw for kids.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I mean, like the last time the Patriots won a
Super Bowl, seniors in high school were nine, ten, eleven
years old.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
They don't remember that. They don't remember the glory days
of Bill Belichick. All they know is Mac Jones era.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
And that's why Bill's going to call on all of
his friends, getting a little help from his friends.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Danny mcdilla's gonna get a call you Hate Gronk out there.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I mean he's going to Chowian Edelman as much as
Bill podcast as to stop in North Carolina, as.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Bill Belichick is going to help Hate to make this
one phone call, he's gonna have to call Tom.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I don't think Tom's gonna do that if he's not
doing it for Michigan.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Listen, I don't know if Tom is going to do
it for him. But he's gonna have to try to
humble himself to do that. And I know when he
left the Patriots and he was on his way out
before they hired Jrai Mayo, he was saying, you know,
basically how he's almost like a man who cheated on
their wife and girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I'm a change man, right, I've seen the light, right,
and it looks different. I know I was wrong. I
shouldn't have cheated on you, but I'm here to tell you.
I'm telling you that I cheated on you. That should
count for something that doesn't come for anything.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
But in his mind, that's what he was thinking, because
he was saying, I'm willing to relink, wish the power
and give it back to you.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I don't have to be the guy.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
And it's like, well, was Bill Belichick actually doing in
that situation because he truly meant it or he felt
as though he was running out of options, And that's
where North Carolina finds himself. They were running out of options.
But they're trying to duplicate what coach Prime did and
understanding that that is a way to bring in more
guys selling them, which let's be telling honest, be cause
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program around the country, it's basically doing the same thing.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
But there's some coaches who do it better than others. Yeah,
I mean, you know, Dion.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Dion wins by pitching the culture and the marketing and
I can make you a savvy entrepreneur like you know, oh,
I have the NFL pipeline.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Too, But Dion wins by selling those other those other
aspects of it, you know, the surrounding stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
And oh, by the way, I got you know a
guy who's I've got guys who.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Coached in the NFL on the staff at the offensive defense.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I just I feel like my gut reaction on this
is this thing is gonna flop like they've gotta win quick.
They flopped like defish Sure, okay, because you gotta win
quick because you're you're talking about a five hundred ACC
team that and they were only five hundred this year.
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You have Florida State team that was severely down this
year that won't be down next year. They fired their
O C and DC and then I stuck with dju
at quarterback. They'll be fine next year. Nor Fell hired
Gus malls out to be his those See, they're gonna
be fine next to Florida State's back next year. You
got an ACC that man, you can't compete with Clemson
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and in Florida State in terms of money, like you're
you're at Ila downin is like a half.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Of those schools.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
But this is this is what North Carolina is saying
is brilliant about this situation.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
It's gonna suddenly pump up the coffers. That's what they're thinking.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Well, I hope it works out for him then, But
I'm just saying, like my initial thought looking at this
thing is this is this is gonna be a disaster,
just a DESI I don't think Bill Belichick can relate
to the mindset of kids that young. That's the reason
the Patriots had so much success with free agency guys
who had.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Been in the league taking a pay cut because they.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Knew what hard coaching was. Like you you you've lived
under a Bill Parson. Could Bill Parsills coach the college
game today?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Hell no?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Let me back up with State, there is no but
hell no. Now your question was could he coach today
in college? I mean he could get a job, could
could he relate?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah? Or could the players bet het relate to him?
And that that's good? That would be a note with
the transfer portal what it is. Man. I'm just I'm like,
this is this is ridiculous. Like the fact that you know,
kids can get upset and just leave.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
And you got any amount of colleges out there willing
to pay you to do it.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Two other schools that are trying to pay you to
do it so to me, it's just funny. I I
you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
We got somebody on the text line is obviously UNC fan.
That's that has no clue what they're talking about. And
this is in they're trying to be you know whatever.
It's Ben, this is some funny bleep. Listening to you
and Nick talking about bleep you know nothing about it
is better than going to comedy show.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
It would be interesting to see how wrong both of
you are.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Okay, look I live, you know about it, but wrong
about the situation. But what we're talking about is honestly legit.
If you take you off your you and see hats
in your crown off, you would understand that. Well, if
they're saying what they're saying, either did some love affair
with you and see, But what we're saying thing is
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as legit.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
It's trying to make sense out of nonsense.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
But like I'm saying, UNC was desperate, Bill Belichick was desperate,
and you put two desperate people together, and now you
hope to be successful.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
That's kind of the hope.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
If he's successful, good for him, good for the program.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
But right out of the gate, I.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Think it's going to be a little difficult because we're
still talking about relating to people, and we're not talking
about relating to grown men who have wives and homes
and girlfriends, mortgages. It's a different like.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
It's a whole different way in college football.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
And what you have to be is so different than
what it was five, eight, ten years ago. The nil
era has changed that you're a salesperson. Your job is
a head coach is to be a CEO and recruits
and make and re recruits your own roster. Like the
head coaches, you're a motivational guy. Your exod and o's
are largely dependent on your coordinators. At most successful program,
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there are a few places where that's a little bit differ,
you know, there are a few places. I mean, obviously
you have to have an understanding excident to be EDG coach.
But you get the point that that's not your primary function.
Your primary function is game flow on.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Game day and then recruiting and re recruiting, really re recruiting. Well,
your own roster was not not just that.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
And you know Bill Belichick saying that he's not going
to get out there and on the recruiting trail, but
you still have to interact with people. MIS mean is like,
now you're in the media more often than you are, right,
I mean, you dumped.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
On the Many cast. You've proven that you can do that.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
So you can't be that stale, crusty Bill Belichick as
you were before because you're.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Gonna have to deal with boosters people.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Adding money to the program is gonna go far beyond
his resume as a Hall of Fame the NFL coach.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Can you relate to those players? And can you relate
to those boosters?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
The other part of this is the media portion of it,
all right, So I don't think Bill Belichick is used
to hostile media like this because the Patriots had their
thumb on the media. They determined what you know, the
NFL it's wildly different than collegiate media, wildly different.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
And I don't know that he's I don't know that
he's ready for that.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Who's to say that he doesn't go in and implement
those same type of cachy.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
I mean, like you can. It's a state it's a
state institution.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
That you go to the SID you say, Okay, well
here's what I'm willing to do. Here's what the end
of views.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I'm willing to do. Here's what I'm willing not to do.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Bro, Like you understand that it's a state institution. People
can file fouder request to get your text messages.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
It's it's a why. It's a whole different world. That's
what got Houston caught down in at Arkansas the Future
Freedom of Information Act to cause his text messages to
a certain local reporter. And it like if he always
opened himself up to.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, I think I think he doesn't understand. A lot
of this to me reads like and I know we
gotta have to break for traffick here a second. A
lot of this reads to me like like the thirty
third team. And I don't know if you know how
much they they're pushing a lot of this stuff right now.
A lot of this feels like a power play by
them to get into the college ranks and it become
the next Jimmy Sexton. That's what it feels like to me.
I don't know, Oh, he's switchedp in a lot of time.
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Let's go check in with traffic with Davill Brian. I
just don't think that's gonna be appealing to like as
appealing as they think it's gonna be. I mean, like
I said, the high school seniors right now, we're nine, ten,
eleven years old. The last time Bill Belichick won a
Super Bowl, that's about as fresh as a fog hat concert.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Fall cat concert. I'm just saying funny.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
The Texter said, you wondered Belichick something he thinks he's
cool that he is because the man in cast Barstool
McAfee like, if they're buying.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
The he's relatable.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Well yeah, I mean it's a it's a selling job
when he comes to being a head coach, I mean, politics,
you name it, and it comes down to how cool
are you? Do you have a presence in today's society
with the demographic in this case, the kids that you're
gonna be recruiting.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
It's dude, it's just the same thing. You're seeing a
movie trailer for a Robert Redford movie.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
How so.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Robert Redford used to be the same but it's been
a few years.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
It is.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
You see a trailer for it, like you gonna go
see that movie because that's what this is. This is
the trailer to the movie. And how that works. You
are selling celebrity, right.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Did you see a football celebrities? You see someone Oh wow,
that person's popular. I'm going to see that movie because
of that person.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
When he goes and hires Josh McDaniel, Matt Patricia and
Joe Judge his his coordinators, and you think a kidding
Joe Judge, Joe Dolls got experience.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
In the college game. That dude is definitely gonna be
his special teams coordinator.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I just can't wait till he's, you know, spins the
wheel and decides which side of the ball they're all
going to be coaching. Yeah, Matt Patricia on offense, Josh
McDaniels has already always wanted to be a DC. I
hear it's look at Family Guy episode where the nuclear
apocalypse happens or whatever, and they all like they've gathered
in this village and and they after they.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Draw it out of a hat for what job they're
gonna get.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
This guy, you know, comes to the village. He's like,
I used to be a doctor, and he goes, oh,
here's hoping to you. He pulls ahead and he's you're
sick the town crier or something else, or he used
to get doctor.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
But he has to run around ringing a bell.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Now like it's this is the dumbest, you know, I'll
say this, everyone's gonna be paying attention to. This is
going to be a topic for they would see back
on the map the next couple of days.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
But here's what i I'm going to be paying attention to.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I'm gonna be paying attention to the transfer portal for
the tarhees.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
In and out? How many yes, in and out right?
Not not not the burger, but but in and out.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
As far as you know that revolving door that's out, Yes,
that's where That's where we should all be watching. That's
gonna be the first indicator of how.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
This thing is going to go. It really will, because
there will be an initial search. You'll get the initial
you know, the initial bump off that. But it'll be
interesting to see how that shakes out.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
We come back, we're gonna pivots talking about some braw
Goo's biggest game in probably Broncos the last decade coming
up here with the Indianapolis Colts coming to town.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
We're gonna break it all down for you next Broncos
Country Tonight
For great and I've lived without right mcfurgus Zack seekers
back there behind the glass five six six nine zero
is the tech SLNE. A lot of news going on today.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Bill Belichick has been announced as the new head football
coach at the University of North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I didn't think I'd see it happen, but here we are.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Belichick will take over, so that'll be the coach in
waiting there as well. You get, I mean this news
of them talking broke about a week ago, along with
them talking to Arthur Smith, the OC of the Pittsburgh Steelers,
and Tommy Reese, the he's an assistant there with the Browns,
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and that was that was really their wish list there,
which is an odd wish list, I guess overall, as
we look at this situation where Belichick's gonna take Mike
Lombardy to be his general manager there and they're gonna
run this thing like.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
A like a pro program in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Bill Belichick's eighteen wins away from the old time NFL
head coaching record. They fired Mack Brown for being too old,
and he's eight months younger or escue eight months older
than Bill Belichick. This one doesn't make sense to me
on just about any level.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Well, Ben, it.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Only makes sense to me on one specific level. And
what it says to me right off the bet is
that as great of an NFL coach, Hall of Fame
coach and then put in some respect on his name,
and that Bill Belichick is.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Those NFL jobs, we're not going to be there for him.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Because I look at it this way. We're in the
month of December. He still got January and February. Had
he just waited.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Maybe a couple of more months, a month and a half.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
We know the new cycle is going to turn over
and there's usually three, four, maybe five job openings and
a guy with his resume would possibly get a look.
But he knew, and so did his representation, that this
was the only opportunity. And I told Ryan last night
that maybe his representation they probably were going to try
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to use the North Carol Carolina job to kind of
for leverage interest in the league.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
LAFE job, but his agent and I don't.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Know who represent him, don't make a difference whoever he is.
They called around and they realized this is not what
the league wanted. And this last hiricycle said that because
Bill Belichick went on one interview, right, and that was
with the Atlanta Falcons, And we saw so.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Many younger coaches get jobs.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
So the NFL is telling us the direction that they're
moving in, and it's not with guys like Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, we saw the league move on for be Caroll,
you know, Bill Belichick, and we we've sort of, you know,
seen a youth movement, I guess, and in the coaching
ranks in the NFL. But I you know, as I
was talking to David Rick and Ryan during the last segment,
to me, this is bizarre. If you were going to
go for an older coach that you know for an
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NFL pipeline, why wouldn't you go get Pete Carroll who's
done this before.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Oh by the way, this time he doesn't have to
lie about it. And here's a great thing about it.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I'm glad you brought that up because when you look
at former NFL head coaches who made them move to
college football, some more successful, some were not. And we
had some guys who like you know, Steve Spurrier, Lane Kiffin,
Pete Carroll, who were better college coaches than they were
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pro coaches.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
But in the case of.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Pete Carroll, and he may be maybe an anomaly in
this situation. He failed in the pros, he went back
to college football to kind of hone his skills, if
you will, and then made the jump back to the
NFL with the Seattle Seahawks, taking everything that he learned
from USC and incorporated it into what we know the
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legion of Boom.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
What happened with Russell, Marshawn Lynch, all those guys. He
knew how to do it.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
So if there was a coach that North Carolina was
gonna go after, I would say Pete Carroll. But I
know there's a connection with you know Nick Saban, and
Saban didn't do well with the Dolphins, right, and he
jumped back in college football and he dominated. And just
think about what you said. I mean, Bill Belichick is
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gonna surround himself with guys who he's familiar with, Lombardi.
Lombardi has been around him for a while, right dating
back to where Nick Saban was with Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
It's part of the Cleveland Browns team. So he's bringing
those guys. But are you changing the way that you
orchestrate because his was wild man. You got a guy
who's seventy two years old, right, and you are throwing
him him back in the realm of college football. Well,
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we're talking about social media, Instagram. We got Lil Wayne,
little boosy, little baby whatever, little everything. Yes, and he's
gonna be asked to do a little more than what
he did with the Patriots. And I know the idea
is that, well, you know what, I'm not gonna be
hitting the cat the recruiting trail. That's gonna be everyone else.
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But I'm thinking these college kids are hit and understanding
the NIL and the transfer portal. That's gonna frustrate the
hell out of Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, I mean that's why he's got He hired Michael
Lobardi to beat the GM. I don't think Bill Belichick
is gonna be involved in recruiting.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Okay, So so Lombardi, who's used to dealing with pro athletes,
are college athletes pro athletes these days? Well, from an
nil money standpoint only mentality, absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Now, you know, used to have twenty four year old millionaires.
Now you're talking about eighteen year old millionaires.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Cause you imagine, Okay, think about this, let's put it
in in this concept, this world and the NFL, Pokland,
Pardi and Bill Belichick had to deal with younger guys.
Maybe in the early twenties millionaires some of them. But
now you're dealing with guys who sixteen, eighteen, seventeen put
down millionaires, and you know what happens.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
They have that that that type of money with those
two letters.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Right ones at the beginning, Yes, Fox tried uniform many
Fox tried uniform money.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
So what are you gonna tell me if I got
Fox frot?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Like I'm sitting here, I'm literally trying to imagine Bill
Belichick trying to rerecruit his rock because that's what you
that's the biggest job of being a coach these days.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Like you got to prepare your team for game dale, the.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Other biggest part of your job is re recruiting your
own roster so somebody else doesn't come along and poach
them all for more money. It's the portal, buddy, we
got right, That's that's Bill.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Belichick's gonna re recruit his own roster. You kidding me.
This dude's gonna look, He's gonna look at a star
player in the mouth and be like, no, you go,
you come back this year?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
What I wan't bleep you then get out of here,
you know, I mean, I just I don't, I do
not understand. And Michael Lombardi, what has he ever done
ever that would.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Make you think he's gonna be successful?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Well, he's been attest to Bill Belichick, So me be frank.
So this is me that Bill Belichick's don't get the
van back together. He's gonna get Charlie Wise and all
those guys.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
And Obio Cornell and then Josh McDaniels. McDaniel's going to
the college game. Oh my god, please do your job.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Please? No, God, No God, No, I mean, like what
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
You know, at least I will say this for Michael Lobartiy.
At least he has been involved in the college game before.
He was the recruiting coordinator at UNLV from eighty one
to eighty four. That's how you gotta start.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
And how well did they he was?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Because he was it was under Harvey Hyde, So you know,
I couldn't. I don't know what their record was. He
I could go back and look in nineteen eighty one.
Let's see here, eighty one to eighty four he worked
for Harvey Hyde and did do it too bad. They
started off three and eight, they were seven to four
the second year, eleven and two by the time he left,
and then they went five to five and won the
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fall year. So as the recruited coordinator looks like back
in the early eighties when Michael Lombardi was involved it
last time he was involved to college football that you know,
he was a scout for the for the niners and
eighties and the Browns, worked for the Browns and then
the nineties, Eagles in ninety eighth and the Raiders for
a long time. He was here with the Broncos for
one year and he got fired for not knowing anything,
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and then you know, he went back to the Browns
for one season as a GM and VP, and then
you know.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Went back to Belichick.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
This is going to be interesting because the only thing
I'm thinking is the pages in a twenty year run,
what was that? Like?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I mean, now this means that he now needs to
go get it Ernie Adams to come in and be.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
A consultant because to me, when you talk about the
man in the machine, I mean, we talked about Belle
Belichick a lot, but Ernie Adams did not get the
credit that he deserves and.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
He's one of those the guys. He's one of those.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Guys like Alex Gibbs, who I feel there's a place
for them in ken There needs to be a place.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Dante Scarnaki, you saw what happened. They had to bring
about it retired. Yes, what are they gonna do it again? Man?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
They went down to the gacker barrel and took this
man out of his dinner at three pm.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Go to pat off line.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yes. So, if you are a quarter high school quarterback,
here's what I would encourage before you sign on the
dotted line to become.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
A recruit or player student athlete.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Right for the North Carolina Tarkias, I would implore you
and your parents to make one phone call. One phone
call only you know who that phone call is, Tom Brady.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Call Brady? Did you get all the lowdown? Or you
can just go watch the Dynasty? Yeah right?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
I just for the life of me, and again, I
hate to keep banging the same drum here, but if
you were gonna do this, why not go get Pete Carroll.
Pe Carroll's done it, He's done it successfully. He knows
how to the college culture. He knows how to deal
with kids. And the thing about the sas is, I
know exactly what these is. North Carolina sees what Dion
Sanders is doing in Colorado and they say, Okay, we
can create our own paths to do with this thing.
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It will be a portal school, you know, and we'll
create our own paths to do it. The problem with
that is is, first of all, Dion hasn't had the
promised Land yet, they hadn't gone to the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Second of all, Dion has his pulse on the culture.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I don't think that anybody is accidentally accusing Bill Belichick.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Of having his pulse on the culture. If you know
what I mean, I know what you mean.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
I'm glad to bring that up because it was one
of the topics I wanted to hit on tonight on
how the Prime effect is going to change the college
football landscape.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
This is just what is This is a domino. Okay,
this is just one element.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Oh there is another layer to this, and we'll get
to that late in the show. But looking at what
Prime did, and you said that Prime has noted the
promised Land. He has to go to the college football playoffs.
But look at what coach Prime has done.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
He had program to relevant to see you and Boulder
that program and Boulder they were on life support. They
were dead.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
They hit it irrelevant in years. They had one Bowl game,
the Mike McIntyre era, one proble game like the last twenty.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Years they were.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
That program was dead and now it is the epicenter
of college football. Even though they didn't make the playoffs,
it still is. They're still having a Colorado spot on
Sports Center every show.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
They're still making sure you get the question is.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
What is this program after Shador Travis Hunter, and whether
it's Prime or whether it those two.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
We'll find the answers out to the you know what,
I think that the program the program. I'm not gonna
say the program is going to be better, but.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
They're still going to be in a conversation because based
on the success and and if things happen for Cee
you on Saturday, that's gonna change things even more.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Right, So Prime is not gonna have an issue with
the transfer.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Reporter kid doesn't want to come there, like think about
it then, I mean, I'm sitting in your house right now,
and Coach Prime has already visaged visit to you already,
and Bill Belichick is coming to visit you as well.
After those two guys have visited you, what school do
you think you would choose North Carolina and Chapel Hill
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or see you both?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Are you probably choosing see you if you're gett the
sales sal say sales pitch from each Now, if North
Carolina is offering me more money, I gotta look at
that or whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
But like beyond that, if you give me the same pitch, Yeah,
I'm going out there to Colorado.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I'm gonna play in the Big twelve where there it's
you know, it's a better conference you.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
So you said I if you and C offered you
more money, I think for some kids that's going to
be the case.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
There are some bottom line bottom line is the bottom
line type, right, But other kids are going to look
at USC has offered me more money? Right now? What
do I have the chance to increase my earnings? Boulded?
Right now?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Because you know the money's gonna come right right, Well,
whatever offer you, man, it's not gonna compare to what
you will be able to get. And so Dora said
it himself, right, he's going to be a part of
the collective.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
He's putting money back into the collective. So what are
you really missing out on? Yeah, I mean again, this
whole thing is is just it's just weird for me.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
I like, I want to see it, obviously, but at
the end of the day, like, I don't understand this move.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Bill Belichick has no experience in the college came so
I do understand it.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
I mean I did.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I understand it from from the school's point of view. Well,
I don't understand it from Bill Belichick. I do understand
it from his point of view.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
He's eighteen games away from from the old time winning
record in the NFL, and you boun difference.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Ben. If no one's willing to hire you, how are
you gonna break down Shoo's record?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
How are you gonna break it? Well, Jacksonville, Jacksonville was
had some interest.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Oh, I guess it wasn't strong interest, because you and
I both don't have this work. If they're strong interest
in Shag Cohan, the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars, could
have said to Bill Belichick and his people, Hey, listen,
you know what, don't make any hasty.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Moves just yet. You know you you're at the top
of our list.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
But What happened was Bill Belichick realized his bat was
against the wall with the resume.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Like he has in the NFL, his bat somebody would
have hired him this cycle, I do, even if they're
I just do someone always you thought someone was gonna
hire him.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I believe someone would hire Apparently based on the movie
he just made today, he knew, well you didn't know
that no one was gonna hire him.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Maybe so he took a job. Maybe. I mean, you
know that I again, and at the end of the day,
I mean, you know, we'll see, but like I.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Don't, I don't know, man, this is one of those
legacy defining moments that if it blows up, you know,
you're Bill Belichick, even your legacy already took a hit
when Tom Brady left and you weren't able to sustain
in the magic. You know, you got mac joneson there.
You go to college and you flop, and we're going
from from you know, an eight year span of talking
(15:24):
about this is the greatest coach of all time to
what a ridiculous goofball.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You know, if this thing, if this thing blows up,
and I just I don't know, I mean, his his loan.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Experience with the college game is that his dad was
an assistant coach at Navy and UNC.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
The only thing I can say been from this standpoint,
he's doing what once again the prime effect.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It reminds me, you know, the first person.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
It reminds me of HERM And as a text points out,
it reminds me of Herm Edwards ASU, That's what it
reminds me of.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I'm like, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (15:54):
But but Herm could communicate to his players a lot
better than also got.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
There before Nil because Hern was on the front end
of that like he was before an I L and
it was it was just a different it was just
a different thing.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Like Hern was there to be the CEO. He'd been
in media. He could communicate. He was a brand name
because he'd been in media.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
You know for a while, and his former agent was
athletics in Regwell and that helped him a little. But
it's one of those things where you're going after an
NFL named it, but this isn't that. You're not going
after an NFL named to be the CEO of glad Hands,
Moms in the living room and that kind of stuff.
I'm Herd Edwards, Bill.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Bochik is gonna be going to the living room. So
that's gonna be Michae Lombardy. This is just I don't know.
This isn't even the weirdest coaching us with that.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Wait, so Barty is going to be out on the
recruiting trail, and I as a parent, without seeing Bill
Belichick and him sitting in my living room, I'm supposed
to say to my four star, three star and five
star recruited son, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
To go with Lombardy. Well, go with Hi'll have campus
visits where you meet the coach and that kind of stuff. No, no, no, no,
but I want you to sit in my living room.
Ben Well from a five star. Bill will get on
the plane. Well you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
We'll see. But but once again, here's the prime effect.
Here's what I think Bill Belichick is doing. And as
a father myself, I understand.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Setting the sun up. Yes, yes, sir, I mean I
got to that angle. But man, what are you gonna
bounce that to one year trying to go back to
the league and couldn't get that record?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
He could he could at that point, because we know
every single year there's five jobs that's gonna be open,
and it's always gonna be as long as there's desperate people, right,
there's people making dumb mistakes.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah, I mean, I just I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
It's Bill Belichick's own guy, and Lord knows he knows
this situation better than I do. I just looked at
this and I look at you and see and I'm like,
you're a middle of the pack ACC team. You're not
gonna be able to compete in terms of money with
certain other schools that are already in there in trench there.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
But maybe that's what North Carolina is. They thinking this
is gonna despite the money or something to collect it.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, you know what, you know, how it happens during
the offseason, We're going to see it take place here
come next year.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Teams winning the press conference, Right, we won an offseason.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Look at the players that we signed a free agency,
look at the players we drafted. Let's go ahead and
rank them. So maybe they're hoping that this would give
them a bump. Because remember Bill Belichick, his disciple was
Nick Saban. So Nick Saban could be somewhat of advisor
or a consultant, and you could tell him the reasons
why he left college football.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Don't do this, do this?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah, I mean it's I don't know. That was even
the weird to me, the weirdest news of the day.
Rich rod potentially back there at West Virginia. Back there,
West Virginia back, they're back. The homecoming, rich Rodriguez back
at West Virginia.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Homecomings have been kind of We saw Bobby Patrido go
back to Arkansas this past year is the offensive and
that didn't really work out that well.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I don't, I don't know, man.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
You don't look man, that's life just a second act, right,
we all we all want a second act. That's a
second opportunity to prove the first time was a fluke.
Yeah you ever got back with the ex girlfriend?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yes? Oh so you so? You no first hand? So
so how does that work? The second act is different?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
And then I mean, it's funny that we're talking about
we went for North Carolina to talk about the second
because that was Mac Brown's second act in North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Guess it was, you know, I don't, I don't know.
You give it a shot and see what you got
to go from there.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
The way I look at it, it's like movie sequels.
Some sequels better than others. Some second acts better than sequels.
That's better than the original, yes, like what it probably
strikes back, All right, I'll give you that one. I mean, hell,
y all, you have to do the whole Harry Potter series.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I don't know. It's a had he never watched those
Harold Harold Potter. This is why you don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, he wasn't making pottery. The movie was misleading leads
the Weapon one and two were the best three and
more We're not good then.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Yeah, sequels, but was still less. Sequel one was still
better than two. Tomat kid I asked for.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I asked for sequels that were better than the original
Terminator too, top Gun not Top Gun, Top Gun, Maverick
original way better.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
No, no, don't pull that Ryan ever stuff with me.
Oh man, there are some movies that I think said
I have to go back, and I have to really
go back? And was two better than the first one?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Really were digging that for says he's going to break
out like the Prophecy of the Prophecy too whatever, that's
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Denver Broncos. I. You know it's by the way is Belichick.
Things start off the text line. You got a lot
of people they're probably doing on this, a lot of
(21:33):
people on Twitter too, they're well, they're trying to be
Colorado and like coach Prime and all this, and I'm like, well,
but those are two wildly different things. Prime selling you
on the culture, not a coaching bona fides. Belichick's selling
you on his coaching bona fides. And he's doing it
to kids right now that we're ten years old. The
last time the Patriots won a Super Bowl what that's
in't true to.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
What the Texas were talking about, because this is really important.
Bill Belichick saying that if he had a college program,
that college program would be the pipeline to the NFL
because of the tools that they're gonna get in from
(22:13):
the coaching staff. That is vaguely similar to what Deon
Sanders is preaching. And all you have to do is
look at his coaching staff to see what former players
and guys with experience like Robert Livingston, unlike Chack Kelly,
has had some NFL experience coaching for the Cincinnati Bengals,
(22:36):
and bringing those type of guys into your organization helps
with recruiting because players are thinking, I want to get
to that next level. I want to play on Sundays.
How am I going to get there? These individual coaches
will help me get there, and banking on the fact
that this is what North Carolina is doing, They're banking
on the fact of Bill Belichick resume being a move
(23:00):
to trump that the Dione Sanders because Bill Belichick can say, well,
I know not only been there, I'm a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
I've done it. I wanted that, I did it as
a coach, but I just don't think to draw for kids.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I mean, like the last time the Patriots won a
Super Bowl, seniors in high school were nine, ten, eleven
years old.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
They don't remember that. They don't remember the glory days
of Bill Belichick. All they know is Mac Jones era.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
And that's why Bill's going to call on all of
his friends, getting a little help from his friends.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Danny mcdilla's gonna get a call you Hate Gronk out there.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I mean he's going to Chowian Edelman as much as
Bill podcast as to stop in North Carolina, as.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Bill Belichick is going to help Hate to make this
one phone call, he's gonna have to call Tom.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I don't think Tom's gonna do that if he's not
doing it for Michigan.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Listen, I don't know if Tom is going to do
it for him. But he's gonna have to try to
humble himself to do that. And I know when he
left the Patriots and he was on his way out
before they hired Jrai Mayo, he was saying, you know,
basically how he's almost like a man who cheated on
their wife and girlfriend.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
I'm a change man, right, I've seen the light, right,
and it looks different. I know I was wrong. I
shouldn't have cheated on you, but I'm here to tell you.
I'm telling you that I cheated on you. That should
count for something that doesn't come for anything.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
But in his mind, that's what he was thinking, because
he was saying, I'm willing to relink, wish the power
and give it back to you.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I don't have to be the guy.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
And it's like, well, was Bill Belichick actually doing in
that situation because he truly meant it or he felt
as though he was running out of options, And that's
where North Carolina finds himself. They were running out of options.
But they're trying to duplicate what coach Prime did and
understanding that that is a way to bring in more
guys selling them, which let's be telling honest, be cause
(25:00):
program around the country, it's basically doing the same thing.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
But there's some coaches who do it better than others. Yeah,
I mean, you know, Dion.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Dion wins by pitching the culture and the marketing and
I can make you a savvy entrepreneur like you know, oh,
I have the NFL pipeline.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Too, But Dion wins by selling those other those other
aspects of it, you know, the surrounding stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
And oh, by the way, I got you know a
guy who's I've got guys who.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Coached in the NFL on the staff at the offensive defense.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I just I feel like my gut reaction on this
is this thing is gonna flop like they've gotta win quick.
They flopped like defish Sure, okay, because you gotta win
quick because you're you're talking about a five hundred ACC
team that and they were only five hundred this year.
(25:49):
You have Florida State team that was severely down this
year that won't be down next year. They fired their
O C and DC and then I stuck with dju
at quarterback. They'll be fine next year. Nor Fell hired
Gus malls out to be his those See, they're gonna
be fine next to Florida State's back next year. You
got an ACC that man, you can't compete with Clemson
(26:10):
and in Florida State in terms of money, like you're
you're at Ila downin is like a half.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Of those schools.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
But this is this is what North Carolina is saying
is brilliant about this situation.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
It's gonna suddenly pump up the coffers. That's what they're thinking.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Well, I hope it works out for him then, But
I'm just saying, like my initial thought looking at this
thing is this is this is gonna be a disaster,
just a DESI I don't think Bill Belichick can relate
to the mindset of kids that young. That's the reason
the Patriots had so much success with free agency guys
who had.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Been in the league taking a pay cut because they.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Knew what hard coaching was. Like you you you've lived
under a Bill Parson. Could Bill Parsills coach the college
game today?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Hell no?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Let me back up with State, there is no but
hell no. Now your question was could he coach today
in college? I mean he could get a job, could
could he relate?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah? Or could the players bet het relate to him?
And that that's good? That would be a note with
the transfer portal what it is. Man. I'm just I'm like,
this is this is ridiculous. Like the fact that you know,
kids can get upset and just leave.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
And you got any amount of colleges out there willing
to pay you to do it.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Two other schools that are trying to pay you to
do it so to me, it's just funny. I I
you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
We got somebody on the text line is obviously UNC fan.
That's that has no clue what they're talking about. And
this is in they're trying to be you know whatever.
It's Ben, this is some funny bleep. Listening to you
and Nick talking about bleep you know nothing about it
is better than going to comedy show.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
It would be interesting to see how wrong both of
you are.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Okay, look I live, you know about it, but wrong
about the situation. But what we're talking about is honestly legit.
If you take you off your you and see hats
in your crown off, you would understand that. Well, if
they're saying what they're saying, either did some love affair
with you and see, But what we're saying thing is
(28:00):
as legit.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
It's trying to make sense out of nonsense.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
But like I'm saying, UNC was desperate, Bill Belichick was desperate,
and you put two desperate people together, and now you
hope to be successful.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
That's kind of the hope.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
If he's successful, good for him, good for the program.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
But right out of the gate, I.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Think it's going to be a little difficult because we're
still talking about relating to people, and we're not talking
about relating to grown men who have wives and homes
and girlfriends, mortgages. It's a different like.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
It's a whole different way in college football.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
And what you have to be is so different than
what it was five, eight, ten years ago. The nil
era has changed that you're a salesperson. Your job is
a head coach is to be a CEO and recruits
and make and re recruits your own roster. Like the
head coaches, you're a motivational guy. Your exod and o's
are largely dependent on your coordinators. At most successful program,
(28:58):
there are a few places where that's a little bit differ,
you know, there are a few places. I mean, obviously
you have to have an understanding excident to be EDG coach.
But you get the point that that's not your primary function.
Your primary function is game flow on.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Game day and then recruiting and re recruiting, really re recruiting. Well,
your own roster was not not just that.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
And you know Bill Belichick saying that he's not going
to get out there and on the recruiting trail, but
you still have to interact with people. MIS mean is like,
now you're in the media more often than you are, right,
I mean, you dumped.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
On the Many cast. You've proven that you can do that.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
So you can't be that stale, crusty Bill Belichick as
you were before because you're.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Gonna have to deal with boosters people.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Adding money to the program is gonna go far beyond
his resume as a Hall of Fame the NFL coach.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Can you relate to those players? And can you relate
to those boosters?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
The other part of this is the media portion of it,
all right, So I don't think Bill Belichick is used
to hostile media like this because the Patriots had their
thumb on the media. They determined what you know, the
NFL it's wildly different than collegiate media, wildly different.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
And I don't know that he's I don't know that
he's ready for that.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Who's to say that he doesn't go in and implement
those same type of cachy.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
I mean, like you can. It's a state it's a
state institution.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
That you go to the SID you say, Okay, well
here's what I'm willing to do. Here's what the end
of views.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I'm willing to do. Here's what I'm willing not to do.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Bro, Like you understand that it's a state institution. People
can file fouder request to get your text messages.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
It's it's a why. It's a whole different world. That's
what got Houston caught down in at Arkansas the Future
Freedom of Information Act to cause his text messages to
a certain local reporter. And it like if he always
opened himself up to.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, I think I think he doesn't understand. A lot
of this to me reads like and I know we
gotta have to break for traffick here a second. A
lot of this reads to me like like the thirty
third team. And I don't know if you know how
much they they're pushing a lot of this stuff right now.
A lot of this feels like a power play by
them to get into the college ranks and it become
the next Jimmy Sexton. That's what it feels like to me.
I don't know, Oh, he's switchedp in a lot of time.
(31:04):
Let's go check in with traffic with Davill Brian. I
just don't think that's gonna be appealing to like as
appealing as they think it's gonna be. I mean, like
I said, the high school seniors right now, we're nine, ten,
eleven years old. The last time Bill Belichick won a
Super Bowl, that's about as fresh as a fog hat concert.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Fall cat concert. I'm just saying funny.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
The Texter said, you wondered Belichick something he thinks he's
cool that he is because the man in cast Barstool
McAfee like, if they're buying.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
The he's relatable.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Well yeah, I mean it's a it's a selling job
when he comes to being a head coach, I mean, politics,
you name it, and it comes down to how cool
are you? Do you have a presence in today's society
with the demographic in this case, the kids that you're
gonna be recruiting.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
It's dude, it's just the same thing. You're seeing a
movie trailer for a Robert Redford movie.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
How so.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Robert Redford used to be the same but it's been
a few years.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
It is.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
You see a trailer for it, like you gonna go
see that movie because that's what this is. This is
the trailer to the movie. And how that works. You
are selling celebrity, right.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Did you see a football celebrities? You see someone Oh wow,
that person's popular. I'm going to see that movie because
of that person.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
When he goes and hires Josh McDaniel, Matt Patricia and
Joe Judge his his coordinators, and you think a kidding
Joe Judge, Joe Dolls got experience.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
In the college game. That dude is definitely gonna be
his special teams coordinator.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
I just can't wait till he's, you know, spins the
wheel and decides which side of the ball they're all
going to be coaching. Yeah, Matt Patricia on offense, Josh
McDaniels has already always wanted to be a DC. I
hear it's look at Family Guy episode where the nuclear
apocalypse happens or whatever, and they all like they've gathered
in this village and and they after they.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Draw it out of a hat for what job they're
gonna get.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
This guy, you know, comes to the village. He's like,
I used to be a doctor, and he goes, oh,
here's hoping to you. He pulls ahead and he's you're
sick the town crier or something else, or he used
to get doctor.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
But he has to run around ringing a bell.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Now like it's this is the dumbest, you know, I'll
say this, everyone's gonna be paying attention to. This is
going to be a topic for they would see back
on the map the next couple of days.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
But here's what i I'm going to be paying attention to.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I'm gonna be paying attention to the transfer portal for
the tarhees.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
In and out? How many yes, in and out right?
Not not not the burger, but but in and out.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
As far as you know that revolving door that's out, Yes,
that's where That's where we should all be watching. That's
gonna be the first indicator of how.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
This thing is going to go. It really will, because
there will be an initial search. You'll get the initial
you know, the initial bump off that. But it'll be
interesting to see how that shakes out.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
We come back, we're gonna pivots talking about some braw
Goo's biggest game in probably Broncos the last decade coming
up here with the Indianapolis Colts coming to town.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
We're gonna break it all down for you next Broncos
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