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Speaker 2 (00:53):
Looking forward to those as well.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Nick Ferguson, though yes, I don't know if I need
to call you the Beyonder because you want to talk
about Secret Wars.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
That was a Marvel Comics reference for you.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yes, thank you for that. Yeah, I want to talk
about Secret Wars.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
And the reason why I.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Want to have this conversation because I've constantly heard this
narrative and I wanted to kind of break this down
with you to kind of get your thoughts because what
we've seen from the Broncos offense thus far the season,
They've had certain.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Games where they've played well.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
The Dallas Cowboys game come to mind, and then the
Green Bay Packers game where the Broncos scored thirty six
points against a really.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Good Green Bay Packers team.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And over the past two weeks, the Broncos have only
mustered the twenty points, forty points, twenty points in the
game against Jacksonville, twenty points against the Cassie the Chiefs
on Christmas. And it's kind of been that idea all
season long, a team that can find a way to
win games in the fourth quarter. The defense keeps it close,
they come and they make plays because they speed things up.
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But the one thing that I constantly was hearing from
a lot of individuals that well, this offense is waiting
until the playoffs to unleash this.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
This barrage of plays.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
And I think the first thing I thought when I
heard that was the water Boy in Coach Klan. Coach
Klain had that book that a play of plays. Are
we into a certain situation where like a restaurant you
go to, you know, they have a secret menu. Is
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there like a secret menu, a secret sauce of plays
that Sean pay is going to pull out in the
playoffs that we have never seen, like, not.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Just a couple of plays. I'm talking about a barrage
of plays. Is there any you know, you think there's
any I don't know logic to that.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I have not seen that out of him historically. I
mean usually he's got one play in a game that
you haven't seen before that'll, you know, and and a
lot of times it's some razzle dazzhole dialectric play stuff,
which we've seen this year hasn't really worked. But Sean Payton, historically,
he's not just sitting there sitting on a tranch a
treasure trove of secret plays.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You know, He's not.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
He's not dialing up slugs and call it an animal style,
you know, or whatever, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
It in and out. It's He's not that's not been the thing.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I mean, there are things that over the course of
the year that they may be setting up, but I
have never seen. You can go back and look at
Sean Payton's play calling in the playoffs before. There's never
been really anything that's some super duper secret menu of new.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Sauce that he has. You know, he's been been sitting
on all year.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Because I'm thinking, Okay, well, is there like a foul
cabage somewhere.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, Sean Payton's secret place that.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Has a lot with with a code on it like
only no, only people who within.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
The building or no, Sean really well know.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Because I'm thinking with the idea of, you know, having
a creative offense, I can understand having a couple of
plays here and there, right, and I also understand it
from a football standpoint. There are probably some plays been
that Sean Payton wanted to run the team practice, but
they didn't get to because you know, maybe one a
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guy was injured or they didn't start fast so he
couldn't go to those particular plays.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
What in the world of these plays going is He's
just gonna be thirty thirty different types of inside.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Zone, but he hasn't run all year.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I think I don't know because the first thing and
Ryan mentioned this yesterday and I was thinking, Okay, well,
is there an over a bunch of plays that are
in the vault somewhere?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
And I'm like, if they are, can we can.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
We call them sprinkles and wrinkles? Right?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Ye?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yes, Because I'm thinking, okay, well, yes, you're gonna add
some sprinkles, you have some wrinkles to it. But is
it going to be a number of plays that we've
never seen before where this the office is going to
look entirely different? I think, And that that's to debunk
that a little like I think it's very hard to
get into postseason and say, well, we're going to just
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kind of totally change up what we do from I'm
a play calling and execute the.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Things that that guy you're gonna see single back, tight slots,
gun trey why flex guns, tight tight end offset, like
that's what he runs.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Like that he's gonna run.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Out of those, you know, he's gonna run everything out
of those. That's gonna be the same stuff that we've
you know, Sean Payton will try to find the weak
spots and whatever you're doing defensively and try to have
solutions to attack that.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
But he runs the same formations in the same place.
It's not gonna be new.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Well, here's what I would like to say from a
defensive standpoint, and I'm speaking from a position of playing defense,
coaching defense, and what could possibly present issues to.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
The Chargers or any of the team for that matter.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Like we've seen the Broncos reduce a lot of their
their formation.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And I'm thinking, okay, well, how about we open it
and take like two receivers and stack those two receivers.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I'm here for it. I don't think we're gonna do it.
I love this. I would love for us to spread
things out more, but we don't. We run a lot
of compress set. I mean, that's what Sean Payton does.
It's like Andy Reid. Andy Reid loves to run that
compressed that could press stuff. You get those natural pickplays
off the line.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
And the reason I love it because it creates space.
It gets guys outside the box because no matter what
the personnel groupings, where there's two tightens, two wide receivers,
the defense has to adjust well that Manizona you have
to adjust.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Well, that's the beauty of the spread. When you spread
it out, the defense has to tip their hand on
what they're doing. They have to And let's take take
take this idea.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
You get you get the two men stack and both
of those guys are aligned on the numbers. You got
the quarterback bon Nix and the Shotka and the back
is offset either left or right. You bring one of
those guys in motion and then you take that receiver
and run a slant. And then you take that back
and you run an f angle. So now you have
double follows. You got two slints, so now you're moving
that middle linebacker. But you're also creating space for a
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guy like RJ. Harvey so you can double down to him,
you can catch a run. Yeah, I mean, there's there's
a lot of stuff that that.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I mean, again, we're gonna be up against the C
four team here, you know this weekend. The places to
beat C four naturally are the flats in the you know,
in the middle of the post. But there are ways
you can create off of that. You just talked about
that run of the double falls, you know, especially if
they're running zone like that floods all you know, it's flood.
You're running, you try to clear things through the zone
and that run something behind it so that you get
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a guy open. I like running that shallow and then
having them climb vertical because everybody, you know, everybody's doing
everything else. You're wanna you know, you want a sale
comeback on the right hand side. You pull the safety ut,
you pull the safety out of the left hand side.
So we got an outbreaking route, you know, the fade whatever,
and then you run that up the mill. Then you
got space. It's all you're trying to create space, you know,
for your guy. However it is, whatever you're doing. I
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think that Sean Payton, I mean, obviously his experience going
against this defense, we would against it earlier this year.
I do believe that he'll try some things, but I
think most of what you're going to see is most
of what you have seen.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I think Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Believes that the plays the core that he plays that
he runs, if they're executed, they're always going to be winners.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Well.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And then also too, I look at it from.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
This standpoint, they may knowing as though you look at
the defense and.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
They may go four with three.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
What I mean by that is you got three receivers
out on any side of the field where they're kind
of spaced out or there is some kind of cluster.
And usually what that means is that the four of
the three is for every third defender or extra the
offensive player that you have, you need to have an
extra defender. You have four guys out wide, you need
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to have five defenders.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Usually that's how it works.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
From an America standpoint, it's like, can you structurally build
kind of alignments post snap alignments that gives bow easy
read to identify as matchups.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
But also, once again I go back.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
To, this is creating spacing, right, creating space because what
we've seen from the Denver Broncos offense, and I'll started RJ.
Harvey right, everyone was wondering what this office is gonna
look like with JK.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Dobbins out.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
So what the Broncos have done essentially is that they
have manufactured run plays, right, because let's think about when
you think about a regular toss sweep, the running back
is running to the writer or less and you're tossing
an out turn and put them on the perimeter.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
But you're doing the same thing when you wing came out. Yeah,
and you run routes down the field. The only difference
is you get pulling linemen on the run play. You
probably not getting that.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
On the swing. You may, you may pull one bit
the right. But even though you.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Don't get pull any linemen, you have receivers and tight
ends who are aligned in passing formations. They run down
fields and they drive the linebackers and the dbs off.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Creating more fact right there, and that's where you want
to attack.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
You want to have the flats like that. So yeah,
I do expect to see some of that.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I would be if you were betting a prop this
week that I would think would be money, would be
like the R J.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Harvey arg Harvard receptions.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Okay, because you go pepper the you go pepper the flats,
we'll go targets to.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
The back right.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yes, So you know, I think we'll probably see more
of the screens, We'll see more of the swings, We'll
see stuff like that because you want to hit the
flats and then you want to take your shot with
a you know, with a post at some point and
try to try to attack the middle of that of
that zone.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
See now as as we're talking about this, I'm thinking defensively.
So you first start off with the swing routes and
you dumb it down to them whether he gets three
yards to four yards.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
What you do once again with that.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Inside receiver because after around the time, that guy who
is the hook defender, which the guy who's on the hash,
he's going to see that swing route and he doesn't
want to get out leverage because he's coached not to
get out leveraging. What that means is not allowing a
guy to get outside of you. Right, So what you
do You go with the swing route to R. J.
Harvey and that guy and that guy in the slot
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he runs a slint. Yeah, so bowl is going to
either fake that he's throwing it or fake toss movement.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
And then throw the slint right, then come right back
and because now is a line of sight right and
that's you would think that that would be the thing.
I mean other other cover four beaters, you got hitches
and outs. I mean, we're gonna see a steady diet
of that.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
You know that this week.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
But I to go back to your premise on secret wars.
I don't think there's a secret Sean Payton.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Playbooks.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
You know, we're seeing him go into the Temple of
Doom out he's bringing the new playbook out or whatever. Yeah,
I don't think he's going to mix all my to
mix all the you know, the genres. No, I don't
think that there is. I mean, Sean Payton usually has
a player too that's different. You know that he puts
out there some kind of razzled down or whatever, which
he's resisted the urge to the last couple of weeks,
which has been kind of nice. But you know, he
usually has something like that. I just think he thinks
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that his core set of you know, thirty to fifty
plays like he I think he believes that those always
have a solution built into him and if they're executed, that's.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Just what's going to win.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Well, I know from a single caller and play designer, uh,
he definitely probably thinks that because he's one of the
better play designers in the NFL. And I don't have
to say watching his team this season, the execution hasn't
always been spot true, right true, And that when that happens,
when you practice a play and you drew it up
and you're like, okay, well, we got them in the
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right defense right right down in distance, the right person
they are grouping, and you call the play and is
not executed properly. Sometimes I would have to think that
for offensive coordinators they say to themselves, we've tried that.
That didn't work. So the defense saw that, so we
can't go back to it. And I'm thinking, no, go
back to it, but have a Renkal Hants sprinkling wrinkles, right,
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sprinkling wrinkles, give them something a little different off the
same look, right, Because I know Andy Reid has has
done a great job so far in the league, albeit
with the chiefs being with you all offensively, but he's
done a great job taking that one thing that they
do well. Bill Derinca is off of it. And the
other guy that I know of who's done that.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Is Mike Shanahan.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, and we'd like to see you know anything you
can't emulate Mike shan Head. At this point, it's the
vogue offense in the in the NFL. The T seven
just know it all. Just because it hasn't happened historically
doesn't mean it can't happen. Boon Nicks is also not
Drew Brees Drew Brees is not bon Nicks.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
He was not mobile. Drew Brees was more mobile than
you thought he was. Whoa whoa on a rate from
from zero to ten? How mobile would you say?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Here, I'll give you an astounding statu here real quick,
how many rushing touchdowns you think Michael vickhead in his career?
In his career, let's just say, I don't know, seventeen
thirty six? Okay, how many rushing touchdowns you think Drew
Brees had his career?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Well, they're basically the way you're setting this up, you're gonna.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Tell me thirty six, No, twenty five to tell I mean,
you know, Drew Brees was a little more was more
mobile than people thought he was. But people remember the
end of Drew Brees' career where he was old and
not mobile.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Early on in his career he had a little He
had little, So I would I would.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Say that if we're comparing those two quarterbacks, what's the
what was the down and distance from where?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
And I'm thinking he wasn't Josh Allen QB, so he
went't that big dude doing that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
He just Drew had a little.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Bit more wheel to be you know, it's like people
Andy Dalton. People forget how much Andy Dalton has some wheels, dude,
but Andy.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Was more mobile than than Drew Brees.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Andy Dalton had some had some wheels, uh, and people
forget that Andy Dalton had a little hell of mobility
to it.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
But this is why I think I figured this.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Give give Bow more of those opportunities because in the offense,
because it's proven that when he's playing on the edge
and on the perimeter, like most of the mobile quarterbacks
in the league today, it puts a lot of stress
on the defense.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
But it also gives Bow an.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Opportunity to really see And if you go back and
look at how Sean Payton's running a lot of his
routes and obviously they do it for him, a lot
of reduced formations. Sometimes he overloads and he floods the side,
but he doesn't with multiple guys. But it is to
cross cause confusion in the middle of the field because
you have guys crossing from one side to the other.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
So yeah, I'm with you, and this again this game,
I think Broncos fans, I think there's from the people
I've talked to so far, there's there's kind of two
schools with thought right now, and it is we're gonna
crush them because they don't have Herbert at the rest
and start. Well, they're not really resting starters so much
as they're taking injured guys out and giving them the
TECH because they know they're not gonna buy right, so
they're taking injured guys out, they're let Herbert with his
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broken hand heel. That kind of stuff makes perfect sense.
Then there's the other half of Broncos country. It's man,
we had a history of playing down to our level
of competition this year, playing with our food a little
bit sometimes, and don't do that against the Chargers and
let Harball steal another one against us the way that
that he kind of has at times.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
This the Broncos win this game, obviously the number one
see Dubai and all of that. But this would be
like the first time that Sean Payton would have beaten Harbaugh,
would it not. I mean, even dating back to those
days where Harbor was in San Francisco and Sean Payton
was in New Wallace, if we're not mistaken, so that
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that is going to be something that's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
But I know those guys from the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
They're gonna come in and they're gonna play hard, because
you're gonna have a lot of guys who ordinarily wouldn't
have had a lot of playing time looking to submit
themselves either as starters or potential starters or potential starters
from other teams next year.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
By the way, the before we get out of here,
we had Rouge being coming up in a minute seven
five seven.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Then you're not younger than I thought.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
You did not mix up Indiana Jones with Marvel's Secret Wars.
That's like fixed up kickboxing with Olympic curling. Hey, look,
I was just trying to cram the maximum amount of
pop culture references in there that I possibly could. I
think you all should be should be happy that I
snuck up beyonda reference in there for Nick right there
at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, we're beyond this segment. We got to hit a
break with back Roby Bean after this. Hey, I know
red bread is buttered. Man, I'm not getting my microphone
shut off. Nick Ferguson just saying.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Oh we already.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I'm just hey, look, I'm just saying I'm not getting
my microphone cut off for you know, I'm not biting
the hand that feeds me five six six nine zeros
text line. We're going right at the kay coustro hotline though,
and bringing on our good friend Roby Bean from CBS Colorado.
Romy Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I hope you doing well. How are things in romy
bean Land?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You know what?
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Things are great?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
It was a good Festivus and we're approaching a week eighteen.
I mean, things couldn't be better. It's good.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
How good is it to have the Broncos not only
playing relevant football games in late December, but possibly up
against a backup quarterback for the rights to secure the
number one seed in the AFC.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
I mean, you really couldn't have written it out any better.
This was one of those games that you know, Sean
Payton hasn't beat Jim Harbobo next Dady, he hasn't beat
Justin So there's a pcus think that wanted to see that.
You know, because a team that is feels that they
can win a Super Bowl, you certainly want to see
them beat the Chargers for the first time over the
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past two seasons. But nonetheless, you play the hand you
are dealta And you know.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
It's interesting because I expect the.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Broncos to come out fully charged. They know what's on
the line, playing for that one seed, getting that momentum,
riding into the bye week, all the above. But you know,
speaking with Adam Truman yesterday on my show, and he
even said, you know, but that Chiefs game, they played
a backup and it was closer than we would have liked.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
So maybe that was a good lesson.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
It was Thursday night. There's an answer, gross, But you know,
I liked the mentality of going in of not just saying, oh,
they're playing nobody's. Yeah, the Chiefs playing a lot of
nobody's and that was close, So they don't want that
to happen again.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Well me speaking of with and let me start off
by saying this, the fact that the Broncos won the
game best the most important thing. But you brought up
something that I've talked about. I think Ben talked about himself.
And to know that the players have that same mindset,
known as though they played the team on Thursday night,
sure a week albeit, but knowing as though you played
a backup quarterback, he didn't play your best game, do
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not to say that they need more motivation. But for
the sake of conversation, do you think some of the
guys on the defensive side of the ball are saying
to themselves, we didn't play our best game collectively, we
didn't want to go out and we want to punish
the charges on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I think absolutely.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
You know, as soon as you were asking me that, Nick, I.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Thought back to postgame locker with the Chiefs and I
asked that Malcolm moch actually because they broke the single
season sack record for the Broncos. So I asked him
what makes the group so good? And he actually alluded
to kind of what you're saying. He said, what makes
this group so others were super accountable. If anybody is
not playing well, we call ourselves out, We call each
other out, you know that group, and it's kind of
an identity of that defense whenever they don't play well.
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We saw the bit where Nick Brinino said and felt
be played terrible. That's not the words he used. But
I think it's a very accountable group and they want
to go into the playoffs. You don't want to go
into the playoffs limping and feeling like you barely beat,
you know, a backup quarterback who's been floating around the league,
and you want to.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Feel like you dominated them, especially when.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
You have a week off.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Well that's what I was just going to say, Robby.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Do you think it's more vital that they get this
if because there is that whole week off scenario, you know,
built in behind that for the number one seed.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Yeah, you know, I kind of think that this group,
and it's been a signature of this team all season,
but it is this unwavering belief that they're going to win,
that they're going to make it to where they want
to go, they're going to win the big games. So
I think if they were to have a poor performance,
I don't really think it would hurt the confidence, and
a lot of that does come from Sean Payton, but
I think at the same time, it would certainly help
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a lot as well. It would just have you feeling,
you know, that much better as you go and go
into the postseason run and now you're really what you're
playing for, what you've been talking about all year.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
You know, this has been such a.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Measured group in every game is they win and they
feel like they expect to win and no game seems
like a big surprise. You know that they won, but
I think you do want to feel that you truly
put your best foot forward as you head into the playoffs.
You leave their feeling as confident as ever.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Roll Meie, we're all kind of creatures of habit, and
I know there's certain coaches who are definitely creatures of habit.
And I know Sean Payton said that he didn't want
to say anything to the team about being the NC
West champs. Do you think that has a lot to do,
is maintaining focus or just kind of trying to make
sure that superstitions don't really creep in.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
You know, honestly, I think part of it is circumstanced.
It's such an anti climactic way to win. You go
Thursday night, you beat the Chiefs, you do what you're
supposed to do, and then you're sitting on your couch
and you're not together, you're not with each other, and
you win it by way of the Chargers then losing,
and then you come in how many days after you
beat the Chiefs and these things, you know, these they're
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sitting in your locker, and so I just it would
be it would be maybe a little odd if they
had a big celebration almost in a way on Monday.
It kind of feels like the way it all happened
to me, I think that they had the opportunity right it,
had things fall in their way the Jacksonville game, had
they won, and et cetera, et cetera, they could have
clinched there. I know they had the hats and the shirts,
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you know, on site, and I think had that happened,
then we would have gone into the locker room, they
would have been celebrating with each other, and maybe there's
a cigar or two. But I just think the way
it happened that it kind of happened that way. It
led into just being like, all right, business as usual. Cool,
acknowledge it, but let's move forward, because that's really just
a goal along the way of getting us where we
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want to go.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
This this playoff field is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
We were talking about this earlier, and I feel like,
as for the Broncos that I'm I'm not afraid of anyone,
but as I look at this this setup, I'm a
little more fearful of the wild cards that I am
the division winners. You know, you look at the New England, Jacksonville, Pittsburgh,
or maybe Baltimore. I feel like Denver matches up well
with all three of them. Then you've got Houston, the
Chargers of Buffalo, and I kind of don't want to
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see one of those teams.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
You know what's crazy.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
I've been talking about this, what I feel like is
ad nauseum.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
But every year, when you get to this point.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
I feel like you can make a case for four, maybe.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Six teams that could make it to a super Bowl.
I legitimately could make an argument for ten teams right now.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Like five out of the AFC and five out of
the NFC. Now, some of those arguments might have hold,
but literally, I could sit down and make.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
An argument for five teams out of each conference that
could legitimately make the super Bowl and get to the
super Bowl. And I think that's what makes this season
so fun and what's going to make this playoffs so
exciting is that it really does feel like it's anyone's game.
I don't feel like the NFL has been this wide
open in so many years. It's tremendous, and I think
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some people have stronger arguments than another, but you can
really make a case for a large portion of this
playoff pool, and I do agree with you. You know,
the Built have kind of let us down throughout the season,
but it's still Josh Allen. He's still got that pedigree.
I think the Bills are so scary with James Cook.
It charges if they get healthy, especially not really playing
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them in Week eighteen, then you really don't see anything
they got in Houston. I mean that defense, and remember
RONC has played them without CJ. Strout.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
I think that's a really tough matchup as well.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
So again, I'm so excited about this postseason because.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
It really does feel like.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
It's almost anyone's game.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
And I just love that Roman on twitst gears for
just a second and just to mention scary, we just
saw something scary take place on the court where Nakole
yoki jaen that half.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
When he was playing against the Miami Heat.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Luckily there is nothing that will require surgery as reports
would claim, But what's it going to do for this
team when Nicola being out for like a month known
as though you have Aaron Gordon, Christian Brown and you
know Cam also having injuries.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Where do the Nuggets go from here?
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I mean, this is what a crazy situation. I can't
remember time where four or five starters we're legitimately out
with significant missing significant time. Is just is pretty wild. Luckily,
and hopefully you get Aaron Gordon and Christian Brown back
at the end of this roads trip and that should
certainly help. But at the end of the day, you know,
in sports we always say next man up. There's next
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man up, and then there's Nikola Yokish. There is no
next man up for NICOLEA.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Yokish.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
He's the best player on the planet.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
The entire offense, the entire game plan runs through him.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Jamal Murray said it last night postgame. He said, it's
not that he's just a lot of what we do.
He's everything that we do.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
So we're only going to see what.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
David Adelman is worth. Now, he's really going to be tested,
and I think he'll come to the table. But you know,
they're gonna have to start getting really creative in a
lot of ways. They're gonna have to completely change the
way they play because you just can't sub in somebody
and have maybe a little less efficiency. The way Nicola
Yokish plays is otherworldly. You can't replicate it. So it's
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gonna be I think interesting to see what David Adelman
does and how he gets this group going. And he
can always make the argument it's good for depth and
you know, guys are going to get opportunities.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
But at the end of the day, you just want
to come out.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
You know, partially unscathed. But I think it's really interesting
too to think, okay, just say things go terribly wrong
where Jokish's out. I mean, the Nuggets all of a
sudden could end up in a play in because the
West is really tight. So it's going to be interesting
to see how this impacts the season, you know, the
whole way through. But at the end of the day,
you're thankful that it's just a month's big picture. I
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don't think it's a shame that he could now be,
you know, ineligible for MVP. I know he doesn't care,
but he's having such a great season. That's kind of
just a bummer as well, but certainly a very small
piece and his health much more important.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Well that's that was leading right next to the next
question that I had, which is, how stupid is this
NBA rule about a certain number of games to be
eligible for postseason honors? You know, if Nicola Jochicie only
plays sixty two games and the limit is sixty five,
and he's very obviously the most dominant player in pro
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basketball right now, he would be ineligible for any postseason
honor simply because he missed games due to injury.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
That that rule just seems idiotic to me.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Yeah, it really does, especially when you consider it because
of injury. I realized the rule was created to help
with the load management issue, which the league was really
struggling with because guys were sitting out for so many games.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
But if you're going to do that as a purely.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Load management way to prevent that, then you've got to
have some caveats in for injury or maybe make the
number less. But one way or another, this is a
situation that maybe you hope now the league looks at
it and says, Okay, we need to amend this rule,
or we need.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
To add a couple asterisks to this rule, because.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
To take Jokich out of the conversation when he could
come back and still end up with a historic season,
it is a disservice to fans, it's a disservice to
the league. So I understand why they started where they
created it, but now you can see it's got a
lot of flause, So I hope they go and fix
it now.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Well, with Nikola yok expected to be out for a month,
it does give Valcunas an opportunity and David Elements, who
really kind of mix and match with his roster, because
the way that I look at it and you and
you tell me from wrong, the team that the Nuggets
are chasing is definitely okay See, and okay See has
two big guys.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
So am I wrong in thinking that valcuna is.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I mean, this would be an excellent time for him
to work with that chemistry with some of the guys
who are going to be on the court with him.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yeah, I certainly think so. And I think this is
an excellent opportunity for dron Holmes, you know, trying to
prove why you were a first round pick. And I
think that he's a kid who we're all kind of
curious what he's got, and now that he's back from injury,
probably wouldn't have had much opportunity, but now is the
opportunity to see what this kid's worth. And you know,
Valentnis essentially here kind of on a shorter term deal,
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you know, could he grow into that a bigger role
when when Valentunis goes. So I'm really excited to see
what this means for Deron Holmes and kind of what
he shows out of it. But absolutely to your point
about Valentiunis and Valentinis, you know has been a starter,
you know, in.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Other seasons on other teams.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
So a guy that's certainly capable of really stepping up
into that big man role. That experience plays off down
the stretch.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Last one for me and Robby being from CBS, are
we in the Golden age, the golden era of Denver
Sports right now?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Oh one thousand percent. I feel like even at the
best of time, there's only ever two teams that were good.
I can't think of a time when three teams were
not just good, but truly had championship aspirations, championship ILK
and could truly win a championship. And you know, I
feel like the Apps don't even get mentioned enough. They're
an absolute wagon what they're doing. I mean, they're not
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just winning games, they're just embarrassing the rest of the league.
And then not just even the teams but the individual players.
Is when Nicolay Jokichen and Nathan McKinnon and cal mccarr
were looking some of the greatest players of all time
and Pats wotan future Hall of Famer and we'll see
what other Bronzes.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Grow into that role.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
But it is truly the golden age of Denver sports.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
Any night, given night, you can turn on the TV and.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
You're watching guys that people are going to be talking
about for generations. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Soak it in and honestly, with this Jokic scaret one
of those reminders to really cherish him because because we
know when he leaves the game, it'll just never be
the same here in Denver.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
That will Romie.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
We appreciate you as always and hope you have a
happy holiday season.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Look forward to hopefully Broncos dub on Sunday and talking
to you again in the new year.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
You know what, I'll talk to you guys next year.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
That sounds good. Talk to you later.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Roby b from CBS Colorado always enjoy getting her perspective
on it.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I think we are. I think we truly are ian
the golden age of Denver sports.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
You look where the Broncos are you look where the
nuggets are.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You look at as you mentioned, the ads are ridiculous,
and then of course you've got the Rockies. So if
you want to put that little dragon meme together with
the three serious heads and the one goofy head, the
Rockies are like the goofy head on the me.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Wait when you said as you were talking to ROMI
some of the best of times, The first thing I
thought about was Charles Dickens The Tale of Two Cities.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
It was the best of times, an epic of the
epic of unlike yes, it was the worst of times
where we're leaning more towards than the best of times.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
And I put out on.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Social media, uh maybe by two weeks back. You can
follow me at Nick Ferguson Underscored twenty five. Say, Okay, well,
how crazy would it be if the Broncos had like
three parades?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Right? Can the city of Denver? Can downtown Denver actually
handle that? Because I'm talking about the Broncos, we three parades.
I don't know if we're ready for that, ben, Like,
I mean, y'all got to prove me wrong on that one.
I don't know if we're ready.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
So you might as start getting yourself work out in
right now, you know, get your bench press in your calisthetics,
because it is something that could prove to be a.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Real I'm gonna Escaba make that meme when the guy
comes out Haggard or whatever, he's that was that was
a rough year.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
He's like, it's Tuesday. Yes, that's never been done before.
That is never.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I don't think there's three at a time. I know
there have been teams that did have had too at
a time. He's done it well, Tampa, the Tampa Lightning
of the Tampa Bucks did it. Boston has done it
before with the Celtics in the Pats. Off the top
of my head, there's only two that I know of
that have done you know, two majors at once. But
I don't think anybody's done the three. You have to
double check me on that, like I mean, I think
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you you think about that. I think the lax Spots
did it, and I think maybe when Baseball, maybe not
the Dodgers, maybe Anaheim did something or whatever. But I
don't believe it's ever been something like that that happened
in one given city.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Right, our crack research team back there looks like they
have an answer. So this is according to AI, so.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Detroit is the only city to win three major professional
sports championships in the same calendar year, achieving this historic
feat in nineteen thirty five, thirty six.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
But the Tigers, Lions and Red Wings. I bet the
Lions bet they can go back to that at time
and that period of Tigers the right too. Yeah, okay,
all right, good to know. So now we know that
we don't we're up against.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
That was baseball, hockey, and football, right correct, okay, all right, yeah,
it was okay in the thirties, man.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Had like eight teams in them.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, and you know, a guy's named Fred Munchaus and
you know, we're meat packers by day, and then you know, and.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
They were playing football. Talk about that.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I always look at it this way because it happens
with so many cities, because people are celebrating nine minutes.
Nine months later, a kid is born and his name
is John Elway, right or John. So it makes me think, man,
how that that would be crazy for the city of
Denver to actually have that to happen.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
It'd be nuts. It would be the best of times,
it would be the worst of times. It would be
the age of It would be the age of foolishness.
It would be the epoch of belief. It would be
the epoch of incredulity.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
The season of light, the season of darkness, the spring
of hope, the winter of despair.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
We had everything before us, we had nothing before us.
We were all going directly to heaven.
Incredibly handsome grat Smith back there behind the glass. I
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
New episode coming out soon.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Wait, really, hold on, stop the presses.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Do we have a breaking new sounder. We don't have
a breaking new sounder. I just try to give one.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yes, new episode of the Taking It for Granted podcast
not out yet. Just gonna drop this on us for
in between Christmas and New Years.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It will be out in the New Year. Alright, best
Christmas present ever? Get you over there. See holding out
on us.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
We've got a big show tonight, Rugby being gonna join
us Botom of the l Rye Michael uh at the
top of the next hour.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Looking forward to those as well.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Nick Ferguson, though yes, I don't know if I need
to call you the Beyonder because you want to talk
about Secret Wars.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
That was a Marvel Comics reference for you.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yes, thank you for that. Yeah, I want to talk
about Secret Wars.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
And the reason why I.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Want to have this conversation because I've constantly heard this
narrative and I wanted to kind of break this down
with you to kind of get your thoughts because what
we've seen from the Broncos offense thus far the season,
They've had certain.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Games where they've played well.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
The Dallas Cowboys game come to mind, and then the
Green Bay Packers game where the Broncos scored thirty six
points against a really.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Good Green Bay Packers team.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And over the past two weeks, the Broncos have only
mustered the twenty points, forty points, twenty points in the
game against Jacksonville, twenty points against the Cassie the Chiefs
on Christmas. And it's kind of been that idea all
season long, a team that can find a way to
win games in the fourth quarter. The defense keeps it close,
they come and they make plays because they speed things up.
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But the one thing that I constantly was hearing from
a lot of individuals that well, this offense is waiting
until the playoffs to unleash this.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
This barrage of plays.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
And I think the first thing I thought when I
heard that was the water Boy in Coach Klan. Coach
Klain had that book that a play of plays. Are
we into a certain situation where like a restaurant you
go to, you know, they have a secret menu. Is
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there like a secret menu, a secret sauce of plays
that Sean pay is going to pull out in the
playoffs that we have never seen, like, not.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Just a couple of plays. I'm talking about a barrage
of plays. Is there any you know, you think there's
any I don't know logic to that.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I have not seen that out of him historically. I
mean usually he's got one play in a game that
you haven't seen before that'll, you know, and and a
lot of times it's some razzle dazzhole dialectric play stuff,
which we've seen this year hasn't really worked. But Sean Payton, historically,
he's not just sitting there sitting on a tranch a
treasure trove of secret plays.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You know, He's not.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
He's not dialing up slugs and call it an animal style,
you know, or whatever, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
It in and out. It's He's not that's not been the thing.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I mean, there are things that over the course of
the year that they may be setting up, but I
have never seen. You can go back and look at
Sean Payton's play calling in the playoffs before. There's never
been really anything that's some super duper secret menu of new.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Sauce that he has. You know, he's been been sitting
on all year.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Because I'm thinking, Okay, well, is there like a foul
cabage somewhere.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, Sean Payton's secret place that.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Has a lot with with a code on it like
only no, only people who within.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
The building or no, Sean really well know.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Because I'm thinking with the idea of, you know, having
a creative offense, I can understand having a couple of
plays here and there, right, and I also understand it
from a football standpoint. There are probably some plays been
that Sean Payton wanted to run the team practice, but
they didn't get to because you know, maybe one a
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guy was injured or they didn't start fast so he
couldn't go to those particular plays.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
What in the world of these plays going is He's
just gonna be thirty thirty different types of inside.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Zone, but he hasn't run all year.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I think I don't know because the first thing and
Ryan mentioned this yesterday and I was thinking, Okay, well,
is there an over a bunch of plays that are
in the vault somewhere?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
And I'm like, if they are, can we can.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
We call them sprinkles and wrinkles? Right?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Ye?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yes, Because I'm thinking, okay, well, yes, you're gonna add
some sprinkles, you have some wrinkles to it. But is
it going to be a number of plays that we've
never seen before where this the office is going to
look entirely different? I think, And that that's to debunk
that a little like I think it's very hard to
get into postseason and say, well, we're going to just
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kind of totally change up what we do from I'm
a play calling and execute the.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Things that that guy you're gonna see single back, tight slots,
gun trey why flex guns, tight tight end offset, like
that's what he runs.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Like that he's gonna run.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Out of those, you know, he's gonna run everything out
of those. That's gonna be the same stuff that we've
you know, Sean Payton will try to find the weak
spots and whatever you're doing defensively and try to have
solutions to attack that.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
But he runs the same formations in the same place.
It's not gonna be new.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Well, here's what I would like to say from a
defensive standpoint, and I'm speaking from a position of playing defense,
coaching defense, and what could possibly present issues to.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
The Chargers or any of the team for that matter.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Like we've seen the Broncos reduce a lot of their
their formation.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And I'm thinking, okay, well, how about we open it
and take like two receivers and stack those two receivers.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I'm here for it. I don't think we're gonna do it.
I love this. I would love for us to spread
things out more, but we don't. We run a lot
of compress set. I mean, that's what Sean Payton does.
It's like Andy Reid. Andy Reid loves to run that
compressed that could press stuff. You get those natural pickplays
off the line.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
And the reason I love it because it creates space.
It gets guys outside the box because no matter what
the personnel groupings, where there's two tightens, two wide receivers,
the defense has to adjust well that Manizona you have
to adjust.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Well, that's the beauty of the spread. When you spread
it out, the defense has to tip their hand on
what they're doing. They have to And let's take take
take this idea.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
You get you get the two men stack and both
of those guys are aligned on the numbers. You got
the quarterback bon Nix and the Shotka and the back
is offset either left or right. You bring one of
those guys in motion and then you take that receiver
and run a slant. And then you take that back
and you run an f angle. So now you have
double follows. You got two slints, so now you're moving
that middle linebacker. But you're also creating space for a
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guy like RJ. Harvey so you can double down to him,
you can catch a run. Yeah, I mean, there's there's
a lot of stuff that that.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
I mean, again, we're gonna be up against the C
four team here, you know this weekend. The places to
beat C four naturally are the flats in the you know,
in the middle of the post. But there are ways
you can create off of that. You just talked about
that run of the double falls, you know, especially if
they're running zone like that floods all you know, it's flood.
You're running, you try to clear things through the zone
and that run something behind it so that you get
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a guy open. I like running that shallow and then
having them climb vertical because everybody, you know, everybody's doing
everything else. You're wanna you know, you want a sale
comeback on the right hand side. You pull the safety ut,
you pull the safety out of the left hand side.
So we got an outbreaking route, you know, the fade whatever,
and then you run that up the mill. Then you
got space. It's all you're trying to create space, you know,
for your guy. However it is, whatever you're doing. I
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think that Sean Payton, I mean, obviously his experience going
against this defense, we would against it earlier this year.
I do believe that he'll try some things, but I
think most of what you're going to see is most
of what you have seen.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
I think Sean Payton.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Believes that the plays the core that he plays that
he runs, if they're executed, they're always going to be winners.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Well.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And then also too, I look at it from.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
This standpoint, they may knowing as though you look at
the defense and.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
They may go four with three.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
What I mean by that is you got three receivers
out on any side of the field where they're kind
of spaced out or there is some kind of cluster.
And usually what that means is that the four of
the three is for every third defender or extra the
offensive player that you have, you need to have an
extra defender. You have four guys out wide, you need
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to have five defenders.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Usually that's how it works.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
From an America standpoint, it's like, can you structurally build
kind of alignments post snap alignments that gives bow easy
read to identify as matchups.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
But also, once again I go back.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
To, this is creating spacing, right, creating space because what
we've seen from the Denver Broncos offense, and I'll started RJ.
Harvey right, everyone was wondering what this office is gonna
look like with JK.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Dobbins out.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
So what the Broncos have done essentially is that they
have manufactured run plays, right, because let's think about when
you think about a regular toss sweep, the running back
is running to the writer or less and you're tossing
an out turn and put them on the perimeter.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
But you're doing the same thing when you wing came out. Yeah,
and you run routes down the field. The only difference
is you get pulling linemen on the run play. You
probably not getting that.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
On the swing. You may, you may pull one bit
the right. But even though you.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Don't get pull any linemen, you have receivers and tight
ends who are aligned in passing formations. They run down
fields and they drive the linebackers and the dbs off.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Creating more fact right there, and that's where you want
to attack.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
You want to have the flats like that. So yeah,
I do expect to see some of that.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I would be if you were betting a prop this
week that I would think would be money, would be
like the R J.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Harvey arg Harvard receptions.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Okay, because you go pepper the you go pepper the flats,
we'll go targets to.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
The back right.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yes, So you know, I think we'll probably see more
of the screens, We'll see more of the swings, We'll
see stuff like that because you want to hit the
flats and then you want to take your shot with
a you know, with a post at some point and
try to try to attack the middle of that of
that zone.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
See now as as we're talking about this, I'm thinking defensively.
So you first start off with the swing routes and
you dumb it down to them whether he gets three
yards to four yards.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
What you do once again with that.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Inside receiver because after around the time, that guy who
is the hook defender, which the guy who's on the hash,
he's going to see that swing route and he doesn't
want to get out leverage because he's coached not to
get out leveraging. What that means is not allowing a
guy to get outside of you. Right, So what you
do You go with the swing route to R. J.
Harvey and that guy and that guy in the slot
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he runs a slint. Yeah, so bowl is going to
either fake that he's throwing it or fake toss movement.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
And then throw the slint right, then come right back
and because now is a line of sight right and
that's you would think that that would be the thing.
I mean other other cover four beaters, you got hitches
and outs. I mean, we're gonna see a steady diet
of that.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
You know that this week.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
But I to go back to your premise on secret wars.
I don't think there's a secret Sean Payton.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Playbooks.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
You know, we're seeing him go into the Temple of
Doom out he's bringing the new playbook out or whatever. Yeah,
I don't think he's going to mix all my to
mix all the you know, the genres. No, I don't
think that there is. I mean, Sean Payton usually has
a player too that's different. You know that he puts
out there some kind of razzled down or whatever, which
he's resisted the urge to the last couple of weeks,
which has been kind of nice. But you know, he
usually has something like that. I just think he thinks
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that his core set of you know, thirty to fifty
plays like he I think he believes that those always
have a solution built into him and if they're executed, that's.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Just what's going to win.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Well, I know from a single caller and play designer, uh,
he definitely probably thinks that because he's one of the
better play designers in the NFL. And I don't have
to say watching his team this season, the execution hasn't
always been spot true, right true, And that when that happens,
when you practice a play and you drew it up
and you're like, okay, well, we got them in the
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right defense right right down in distance, the right person
they are grouping, and you call the play and is
not executed properly. Sometimes I would have to think that
for offensive coordinators they say to themselves, we've tried that.
That didn't work. So the defense saw that, so we
can't go back to it. And I'm thinking, no, go
back to it, but have a Renkal Hants sprinkling wrinkles, right,
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sprinkling wrinkles, give them something a little different off the
same look, right, Because I know Andy Reid has has
done a great job so far in the league, albeit
with the chiefs being with you all offensively, but he's
done a great job taking that one thing that they
do well. Bill Derinca is off of it. And the
other guy that I know of who's done that.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Is Mike Shanahan.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Yeah, and we'd like to see you know anything you
can't emulate Mike shan Head. At this point, it's the
vogue offense in the in the NFL. The T seven
just know it all. Just because it hasn't happened historically
doesn't mean it can't happen. Boon Nicks is also not
Drew Brees Drew Brees is not bon Nicks.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
He was not mobile. Drew Brees was more mobile than
you thought he was. Whoa whoa on a rate from
from zero to ten? How mobile would you say?
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Here, I'll give you an astounding statu here real quick,
how many rushing touchdowns you think Michael vickhead in his career?
In his career, let's just say, I don't know, seventeen
thirty six? Okay, how many rushing touchdowns you think Drew
Brees had his career?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Well, they're basically the way you're setting this up, you're gonna.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Tell me thirty six, No, twenty five to tell I mean,
you know, Drew Brees was a little more was more
mobile than people thought he was. But people remember the
end of Drew Brees' career where he was old and
not mobile.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Early on in his career he had a little He
had little, So I would I would.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Say that if we're comparing those two quarterbacks, what's the
what was the down and distance from where?
Speaker 1 (13:18):
And I'm thinking he wasn't Josh Allen QB, so he
went't that big dude doing that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
He just Drew had a little.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Bit more wheel to be you know, it's like people
Andy Dalton. People forget how much Andy Dalton has some wheels, dude,
but Andy.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Was more mobile than than Drew Brees.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Andy Dalton had some had some wheels, uh, and people
forget that Andy Dalton had a little hell of mobility
to it.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
But this is why I think I figured this.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Give give Bow more of those opportunities because in the offense,
because it's proven that when he's playing on the edge
and on the perimeter, like most of the mobile quarterbacks
in the league today, it puts a lot of stress
on the defense.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
But it also gives Bow an.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Opportunity to really see And if you go back and
look at how Sean Payton's running a lot of his
routes and obviously they do it for him, a lot
of reduced formations. Sometimes he overloads and he floods the side,
but he doesn't with multiple guys. But it is to
cross cause confusion in the middle of the field because
you have guys crossing from one side to the other.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
So yeah, I'm with you, and this again this game,
I think Broncos fans, I think there's from the people
I've talked to so far, there's there's kind of two
schools with thought right now, and it is we're gonna
crush them because they don't have Herbert at the rest
and start. Well, they're not really resting starters so much
as they're taking injured guys out and giving them the
TECH because they know they're not gonna buy right, so
they're taking injured guys out, they're let Herbert with his
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broken hand heel. That kind of stuff makes perfect sense.
Then there's the other half of Broncos country. It's man,
we had a history of playing down to our level
of competition this year, playing with our food a little
bit sometimes, and don't do that against the Chargers and
let Harball steal another one against us the way that
that he kind of has at times.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
This the Broncos win this game, obviously the number one
see Dubai and all of that. But this would be
like the first time that Sean Payton would have beaten Harbaugh,
would it not. I mean, even dating back to those
days where Harbor was in San Francisco and Sean Payton
was in New Wallace, if we're not mistaken, so that
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that is going to be something that's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
But I know those guys from the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
They're gonna come in and they're gonna play hard, because
you're gonna have a lot of guys who ordinarily wouldn't
have had a lot of playing time looking to submit
themselves either as starters or potential starters or potential starters
from other teams next year.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
By the way, the before we get out of here,
we had Rouge being coming up in a minute seven
five seven.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Then you're not younger than I thought.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
You did not mix up Indiana Jones with Marvel's Secret Wars.
That's like fixed up kickboxing with Olympic curling. Hey, look,
I was just trying to cram the maximum amount of
pop culture references in there that I possibly could. I
think you all should be should be happy that I
snuck up beyonda reference in there for Nick right there
at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah, we're beyond this segment. We got to hit a
break with back Roby Bean after this. Hey, I know
red bread is buttered. Man, I'm not getting my microphone
shut off. Nick Ferguson just saying.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Oh we already.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
I'm just hey, look, I'm just saying I'm not getting
my microphone cut off for you know, I'm not biting
the hand that feeds me five six six nine zeros
text line. We're going right at the kay coustro hotline though,
and bringing on our good friend Roby Bean from CBS Colorado.
Romy Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
I hope you doing well. How are things in romy
bean Land?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You know what?
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Things are great?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
It was a good Festivus and we're approaching a week eighteen.
I mean, things couldn't be better. It's good.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
How good is it to have the Broncos not only
playing relevant football games in late December, but possibly up
against a backup quarterback for the rights to secure the
number one seed in the AFC.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
I mean, you really couldn't have written it out any better.
This was one of those games that you know, Sean
Payton hasn't beat Jim Harbobo next Dady, he hasn't beat
Justin So there's a pcus think that wanted to see that.
You know, because a team that is feels that they
can win a Super Bowl, you certainly want to see
them beat the Chargers for the first time over the
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past two seasons. But nonetheless, you play the hand you
are dealta And you know.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
It's interesting because I expect the.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Broncos to come out fully charged. They know what's on
the line, playing for that one seed, getting that momentum,
riding into the bye week, all the above. But you know,
speaking with Adam Truman yesterday on my show, and he
even said, you know, but that Chiefs game, they played
a backup and it was closer than we would have liked.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
So maybe that was a good lesson.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
It was Thursday night. There's an answer, gross, But you know,
I liked the mentality of going in of not just saying, oh,
they're playing nobody's. Yeah, the Chiefs playing a lot of
nobody's and that was close, So they don't want that
to happen again.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Well me speaking of with and let me start off
by saying this, the fact that the Broncos won the
game best the most important thing. But you brought up
something that I've talked about. I think Ben talked about himself.
And to know that the players have that same mindset,
known as though they played the team on Thursday night,
sure a week albeit, but knowing as though you played
a backup quarterback, he didn't play your best game, do
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not to say that they need more motivation. But for
the sake of conversation, do you think some of the
guys on the defensive side of the ball are saying
to themselves, we didn't play our best game collectively, we
didn't want to go out and we want to punish
the charges on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I think absolutely.
Speaker 6 (18:25):
You know, as soon as you were asking me that, Nick, I.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Thought back to postgame locker with the Chiefs and I
asked that Malcolm moch actually because they broke the single
season sack record for the Broncos. So I asked him
what makes the group so good? And he actually alluded
to kind of what you're saying. He said, what makes
this group so others were super accountable. If anybody is
not playing well, we call ourselves out, We call each
other out, you know that group, and it's kind of
an identity of that defense whenever they don't play well.
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We saw the bit where Nick Brinino said and felt
be played terrible. That's not the words he used. But
I think it's a very accountable group and they want
to go into the playoffs. You don't want to go
into the playoffs limping and feeling like you barely beat,
you know, a backup quarterback who's been floating around the league,
and you want to.
Speaker 6 (19:06):
Feel like you dominated them, especially when.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
You have a week off.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Well that's what I was just going to say, Robby.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Do you think it's more vital that they get this
if because there is that whole week off scenario, you know,
built in behind that for the number one seed.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
Yeah, you know, I kind of think that this group,
and it's been a signature of this team all season,
but it is this unwavering belief that they're going to win,
that they're going to make it to where they want
to go, they're going to win the big games. So
I think if they were to have a poor performance,
I don't really think it would hurt the confidence, and
a lot of that does come from Sean Payton, but
I think at the same time, it would certainly help
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a lot as well. It would just have you feeling,
you know, that much better as you go and go
into the postseason run and now you're really what you're
playing for, what you've been talking about all year.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
You know, this has been such a.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Measured group in every game is they win and they
feel like they expect to win and no game seems
like a big surprise. You know that they won, but
I think you do want to feel that you truly
put your best foot forward as you head into the playoffs.
You leave their feeling as confident as ever.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Roll Meie, we're all kind of creatures of habit, and
I know there's certain coaches who are definitely creatures of habit.
And I know Sean Payton said that he didn't want
to say anything to the team about being the NC
West champs. Do you think that has a lot to do,
is maintaining focus or just kind of trying to make
sure that superstitions don't really creep in.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
You know, honestly, I think part of it is circumstanced.
It's such an anti climactic way to win. You go
Thursday night, you beat the Chiefs, you do what you're
supposed to do, and then you're sitting on your couch
and you're not together, you're not with each other, and
you win it by way of the Chargers then losing,
and then you come in how many days after you
beat the Chiefs and these things, you know, these they're
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sitting in your locker, and so I just it would
be it would be maybe a little odd if they
had a big celebration almost in a way on Monday.
It kind of feels like the way it all happened
to me, I think that they had the opportunity right it,
had things fall in their way the Jacksonville game, had
they won, and et cetera, et cetera, they could have
clinched there. I know they had the hats and the shirts,
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you know, on site, and I think had that happened,
then we would have gone into the locker room, they
would have been celebrating with each other, and maybe there's
a cigar or two. But I just think the way
it happened that it kind of happened that way. It
led into just being like, all right, business as usual. Cool,
acknowledge it, but let's move forward, because that's really just
a goal along the way of getting us where we
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want to go.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
This this playoff field is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
We were talking about this earlier, and I feel like,
as for the Broncos that I'm I'm not afraid of anyone,
but as I look at this this setup, I'm a
little more fearful of the wild cards that I am
the division winners. You know, you look at the New England, Jacksonville, Pittsburgh,
or maybe Baltimore. I feel like Denver matches up well
with all three of them. Then you've got Houston, the
Chargers of Buffalo, and I kind of don't want to
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see one of those teams.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
You know what's crazy.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
I've been talking about this, what I feel like is
ad nauseum.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
But every year, when you get to this point.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
I feel like you can make a case for four, maybe.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Six teams that could make it to a super Bowl.
I legitimately could make an argument for ten teams right now.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
Like five out of the AFC and five out of
the NFC. Now, some of those arguments might have hold,
but literally, I could sit down and make.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
An argument for five teams out of each conference that
could legitimately make the super Bowl and get to the
super Bowl. And I think that's what makes this season
so fun and what's going to make this playoffs so
exciting is that it really does feel like it's anyone's game.
I don't feel like the NFL has been this wide
open in so many years. It's tremendous, and I think
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some people have stronger arguments than another, but you can
really make a case for a large portion of this
playoff pool, and I do agree with you. You know,
the Built have kind of let us down throughout the season,
but it's still Josh Allen. He's still got that pedigree.
I think the Bills are so scary with James Cook.
It charges if they get healthy, especially not really playing
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them in Week eighteen, then you really don't see anything
they got in Houston. I mean that defense, and remember
RONC has played them without CJ. Strout.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
I think that's a really tough matchup as well.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
So again, I'm so excited about this postseason because.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
It really does feel like.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
It's almost anyone's game.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
And I just love that Roman on twitst gears for
just a second and just to mention scary, we just
saw something scary take place on the court where Nakole
yoki jaen that half.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
When he was playing against the Miami Heat.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Luckily there is nothing that will require surgery as reports
would claim, But what's it going to do for this
team when Nicola being out for like a month known
as though you have Aaron Gordon, Christian Brown and you
know Cam also having injuries.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Where do the Nuggets go from here?
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I mean, this is what a crazy situation. I can't
remember time where four or five starters we're legitimately out
with significant missing significant time. Is just is pretty wild. Luckily,
and hopefully you get Aaron Gordon and Christian Brown back
at the end of this roads trip and that should
certainly help. But at the end of the day, you know,
in sports we always say next man up. There's next
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man up, and then there's Nikola Yokish. There is no
next man up for NICOLEA.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Yokish.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
He's the best player on the planet.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
The entire offense, the entire game plan runs through him.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Jamal Murray said it last night postgame. He said, it's
not that he's just a lot of what we do.
He's everything that we do.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
So we're only going to see what.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
David Adelman is worth. Now, he's really going to be tested,
and I think he'll come to the table. But you know,
they're gonna have to start getting really creative in a
lot of ways. They're gonna have to completely change the
way they play because you just can't sub in somebody
and have maybe a little less efficiency. The way Nicola
Yokish plays is otherworldly. You can't replicate it. So it's
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gonna be I think interesting to see what David Adelman
does and how he gets this group going. And he
can always make the argument it's good for depth and
you know, guys are going to get opportunities.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
But at the end of the day, you just want
to come out.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
You know, partially unscathed. But I think it's really interesting
too to think, okay, just say things go terribly wrong
where Jokish's out. I mean, the Nuggets all of a
sudden could end up in a play in because the
West is really tight. So it's going to be interesting
to see how this impacts the season, you know, the
whole way through. But at the end of the day,
you're thankful that it's just a month's big picture. I
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don't think it's a shame that he could now be,
you know, ineligible for MVP. I know he doesn't care,
but he's having such a great season. That's kind of
just a bummer as well, but certainly a very small
piece and his health much more important.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Well that's that was leading right next to the next
question that I had, which is, how stupid is this
NBA rule about a certain number of games to be
eligible for postseason honors? You know, if Nicola Jochicie only
plays sixty two games and the limit is sixty five,
and he's very obviously the most dominant player in pro
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basketball right now, he would be ineligible for any postseason
honor simply because he missed games due to injury.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
That that rule just seems idiotic to me.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Yeah, it really does, especially when you consider it because
of injury. I realized the rule was created to help
with the load management issue, which the league was really
struggling with because guys were sitting out for so many games.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
But if you're going to do that as a purely.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Load management way to prevent that, then you've got to
have some caveats in for injury or maybe make the
number less. But one way or another, this is a
situation that maybe you hope now the league looks at
it and says, Okay, we need to amend this rule,
or we need.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
To add a couple asterisks to this rule, because.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
To take Jokich out of the conversation when he could
come back and still end up with a historic season,
it is a disservice to fans, it's a disservice to
the league. So I understand why they started where they
created it, but now you can see it's got a
lot of flause, So I hope they go and fix
it now.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Well, with Nikola yok expected to be out for a month,
it does give Valcunas an opportunity and David Elements, who
really kind of mix and match with his roster, because
the way that I look at it and you and
you tell me from wrong, the team that the Nuggets
are chasing is definitely okay See, and okay See has
two big guys.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
So am I wrong in thinking that valcuna is.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
I mean, this would be an excellent time for him
to work with that chemistry with some of the guys
who are going to be on the court with him.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yeah, I certainly think so. And I think this is
an excellent opportunity for dron Holmes, you know, trying to
prove why you were a first round pick. And I
think that he's a kid who we're all kind of
curious what he's got, and now that he's back from injury,
probably wouldn't have had much opportunity, but now is the
opportunity to see what this kid's worth. And you know,
Valentnis essentially here kind of on a shorter term deal,
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you know, could he grow into that a bigger role
when when Valentunis goes. So I'm really excited to see
what this means for Deron Holmes and kind of what
he shows out of it. But absolutely to your point
about Valentiunis and Valentinis, you know has been a starter,
you know, in.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Other seasons on other teams.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
So a guy that's certainly capable of really stepping up
into that big man role. That experience plays off down
the stretch.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Last one for me and Robby being from CBS, are
we in the Golden age, the golden era of Denver
Sports right now?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Oh one thousand percent. I feel like even at the
best of time, there's only ever two teams that were good.
I can't think of a time when three teams were
not just good, but truly had championship aspirations, championship ILK
and could truly win a championship. And you know, I
feel like the Apps don't even get mentioned enough. They're
an absolute wagon what they're doing. I mean, they're not
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just winning games, they're just embarrassing the rest of the league.
And then not just even the teams but the individual players.
Is when Nicolay Jokichen and Nathan McKinnon and cal mccarr
were looking some of the greatest players of all time
and Pats wotan future Hall of Famer and we'll see
what other Bronzes.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Grow into that role.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
But it is truly the golden age of Denver sports.
Speaker 6 (29:04):
Any night, given night, you can turn on the TV and.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
You're watching guys that people are going to be talking
about for generations. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Soak it in and honestly, with this Jokic scaret one
of those reminders to really cherish him because because we
know when he leaves the game, it'll just never be
the same here in Denver.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
That will Romie.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
We appreciate you as always and hope you have a
happy holiday season.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Look forward to hopefully Broncos dub on Sunday and talking
to you again in the new year.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
You know what, I'll talk to you guys next year.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
That sounds good. Talk to you later.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Roby b from CBS Colorado always enjoy getting her perspective
on it.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I think we are. I think we truly are ian
the golden age of Denver sports.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
You look where the Broncos are you look where the
nuggets are.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
You look at as you mentioned, the ads are ridiculous,
and then of course you've got the Rockies. So if
you want to put that little dragon meme together with
the three serious heads and the one goofy head, the
Rockies are like the goofy head on the me.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Wait when you said as you were talking to ROMI
some of the best of times, The first thing I
thought about was Charles Dickens The Tale of Two Cities.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
It was the best of times, an epic of the
epic of unlike yes, it was the worst of times
where we're leaning more towards than the best of times.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
And I put out on.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Social media, uh maybe by two weeks back. You can
follow me at Nick Ferguson Underscored twenty five. Say, Okay, well,
how crazy would it be if the Broncos had like
three parades?
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Right? Can the city of Denver? Can downtown Denver actually
handle that? Because I'm talking about the Broncos, we three parades.
I don't know if we're ready for that, ben, Like,
I mean, y'all got to prove me wrong on that one.
I don't know if we're ready.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
So you might as start getting yourself work out in
right now, you know, get your bench press in your calisthetics,
because it is something that could prove to be a.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Real I'm gonna Escaba make that meme when the guy
comes out Haggard or whatever, he's that was that was
a rough year.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
He's like, it's Tuesday. Yes, that's never been done before.
That is never.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I don't think there's three at a time. I know
there have been teams that did have had too at
a time. He's done it well, Tampa, the Tampa Lightning
of the Tampa Bucks did it. Boston has done it
before with the Celtics in the Pats. Off the top
of my head, there's only two that I know of
that have done you know, two majors at once. But
I don't think anybody's done the three. You have to
double check me on that, like I mean, I think
(31:31):
you you think about that. I think the lax Spots
did it, and I think maybe when Baseball, maybe not
the Dodgers, maybe Anaheim did something or whatever. But I
don't believe it's ever been something like that that happened
in one given city.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Right, our crack research team back there looks like they
have an answer. So this is according to AI, so.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Detroit is the only city to win three major professional
sports championships in the same calendar year, achieving this historic
feat in nineteen thirty five, thirty six.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
But the Tigers, Lions and Red Wings. I bet the
Lions bet they can go back to that at time
and that period of Tigers the right too. Yeah, okay,
all right, good to know. So now we know that
we don't we're up against.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
That was baseball, hockey, and football, right correct, okay, all right, yeah,
it was okay in the thirties, man.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Had like eight teams in them.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, and you know, a guy's named Fred Munchaus and
you know, we're meat packers by day, and then you know, and.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
They were playing football. Talk about that.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
I always look at it this way because it happens
with so many cities, because people are celebrating nine minutes.
Nine months later, a kid is born and his name
is John Elway, right or John. So it makes me think, man,
how that that would be crazy for the city of
Denver to actually have that to happen.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
It'd be nuts. It would be the best of times,
it would be the worst of times. It would be
the age of It would be the age of foolishness.
It would be the epoch of belief. It would be
the epoch of incredulity.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
The season of light, the season of darkness, the spring
of hope, the winter of despair.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
We had everything before us, we had nothing before us.
We were all going directly to heaven.
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