10/28/2025

Nags, Billy & Armen are back together to chat about the Packers win over Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
With my good friends Bill Schmid, armand sorry and holding
it down there in the Milwaukee Metroplex. How you boys
doing this morning?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Phenomenal nags, Yes, uninterrupted until it's always interrupted by some
of the longer commercial breaks in all of broadcasting. However,
much like NFL Red Zone, even though the commercials are there,
we're all still watching.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
We're all still watching, we're all still hanging out, We're
all still talking ball because that's what we do here
at Karrie the g Radio.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Yeah, we're still talking about a team. Guys, that's the
top seed in the NFC. Where would you rather be
than right here right now?

Speaker 1 (00:33):
All right, that's a great point there, arman. They are
the top seed in the NFL. Although I don't know
if you saw, there was a Lions fan on Twitter yesterday.
This is an all timer said, I can't wait until
the Packers have to play a legit team. M So
it's a Lions fan? Were you? What were you? I

(00:53):
don't know what Week one was, but you know, apparently
wasn't a legit team.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
So that's that to me.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Naggs is the equivalent of the too small celebration. Now
basketball and football players will do that, which is the
best way of undermining your own accomplishment. You're too small
to cover me. Well, so it wasn't really that cool
that you touch over the top.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Half of them in the end zone.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, way to go, Way to celebrate yourself, Way to
celebrate your great team. There in Detroit, Lions fans now
they're also they're they're enjoying their bye week. They had
to watch the Packers get glazed on national television.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
That had to be a tough hate watch.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
That had to be a tough hate watch because they
enjoyed early on the Bears falling in Baltimore, but not
exactly the week in the week off that I think
Lions fans were.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Hoping to have.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, I mean they probably were like pretty happy in
that first half on sech no doubt. You know, that
was not gonna lie they had in the first half.
I mean, that was that was a rough outing there
for those first two quarters. And I gotta admit I
wasn't quite as frustrated as I was down the stretch
of the first half of the Arizona game. Let's still
pretty frustrating for a team that then you turn it

(02:02):
around in the second half and you see how effective
they can be. I understand the frustration coming off of
that game, where look, this is the standard, this is
what you could be but on the regular, but it
always seems to take I don't know, a couple two
tree drives of three and outs figuring stuff out. Oh,

(02:24):
that's right, we can't run the ball, so maybe maybe
we should use the pass to set up the run.
And then they figure it out, and then they march
up and down the field and they score points, and
it's like, where is that coming out the gate?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, in Nags, I struggle because I think every game
is so different, and even though we really like it
to be a one size fits all, and like, well,
we ran the ball so well this week, why can
we not do it that week? And they're bad on
this spot and everything ends up being you can't play
and win the game that you're in without feeling out
the game. They're definitely a feel it out team at
this point in time.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Earlier in the year they were.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Let's boat race you in the first half half and
then hold on for dear life. I've worn out already
enough of the learning ways to win games, and learning
and enough ways.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
To win games to learn how to win Bill, So
I got to find another way of saying it.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
I think the interesting part of it, Naggs is a
lot of people love to talk about second half adjustments,
and I don't know that there's anything you're adjusting in
the second half. However, we did go to when they
were really really good in the first half. Matt Lafleur
script merchant right, only able to script plays. That's the
only way that you can falls apart, and then it

(03:35):
falls apart once that's over.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
So you've now seen ho the coaching.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Staff is learning as ultimately new ways to win games
and how to develop and go forward, so other ways
to be very very optimistic and happy after this one.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
There's also a reality of the fact that this is
the reality of human competition too, a little bit not
to get to existential and medical.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Psychotic.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Let's go, the greatest teams in history did not have
everything perfect go every game, all the time.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
The greatest Packers teams in history.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
We're talking about the Packers, which is the greatest franchise
in NFL history, the most championships, the most successful franchise,
didn't even in their championship.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
Years, have everything go perfectly in every game.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
And you had something this week on Twitter, I think
or nags or we had some sort of interaction of
how enriching it is to go back and watch old games,
to change your conspective on what you think. History can
sanitize a lot of things. I mean, we think about
the memory.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Memory itself, right, can give you a certain picture in
your head. Yes, you do forget the details.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Even our championship teams, you know, which they accomplished the
goal that we're aspiring to always as Packer fans. You know,
obviously twenty ten they were a tendency. They had a
lot of early struggles, in bad.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Moments and early losses that year.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Right in games, Yes, about the one of the two
overtime games.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Two overtime games. One of the most revered teams ever,
the ninety six Packers.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
You go back and watch some old games. You know
you're tired at halftime with the Bears, you know you're it.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Wasn't like struggling in Saint Louis against the Rams, great exactly,
I mean that's the fulcrum of that entire season.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yes, it wasn't puppy dogs and ice cream all the
way through.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
That's just no reality to your point, you get to
the end of the season and now throughout history referencing
that team, Oh, number one offense, number one defense, had
an awesome you return, you know, special teams. Desen Howard
ends up the MVP. So to your point, you in
your memory think, oh, they just boat raced everybody. It
just walked up and down the field, which they did
early in the season. But then adversity strikes. You have

(05:40):
to adjust, and the Packers did in that season, and
now hopefully that's what they're going to be doing throughout
this season. Totally totally with you on that one.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
And then you also in that adversity nags you get
another one of the great cliches and classics that come
from football. The team comes together and you rally around
unsung heroes, different guys that you didn't realize were going
to be big parts of the and then you get
to welcome guys back. And I thought, welcoming back a
true leader of their team and one.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
Guy that we are learning more and more.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
About, because as much as we do believe we know
everything and anything about the Green Bay Packers, because they
give us this press credential, which only means that you
could sit in the library and watch the game. You
get to talk and hear different stories and tell stories.
The one story that is now being told very very well,
I think by players on the team and the folks
in the locker room week in and week out, is

(06:29):
the impact that Christian Watson has on not only the
rest of the locker room, but especially that wide receiving
corps that nags.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
If I would have told you saveon.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Williams scores a touchdown before Matthew Golden before the season,
what would you have called me.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Optimistic? Maybe a member of Williams family. I don't know, Paul.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
The which would have been would have sufficed.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
But with a leader like Watson back into the building,
it's going to be harder for more opportunities. But you
have somebody that's gone up and down, especially as a rookie,
be able to add in some context and talk to
a young man like that. I think the return of
Watson was one of the biggest parts of this thirty
five to twenty five victory in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Couldn't agree more, especially when you consider not just his
output on the field, like you're talking about in the
locker room effect, and I gotta think you know, to
your point, Matthew Golden is probably a little frustrated. I know,
as a Matthew Golden Fantasy owner, I myself am a
little frustrated because now you know, I can't put him
out of the lineup, because you know, the week I do,

(07:27):
he's gonna go off, He's gonna have his you know,
so I get it. He probably is frustrated. But Watson
is a perfect example of a guy who does it
the right way and can hopefully take the young man
under his wing. Look no further than last year that
first stretch. I think, you know, four games or so,

(07:48):
he's barely targeted and all he's doing is blocking his
ass off. Playing hard, down in and down out like
that is the model, right, and it definitely should not
just in. Okay, you're gonna get your opportunities, but because
you play hard, we're gonna put you on the field. Yeah,
with regularity, because we know you're gonna take out that

(08:09):
corner on that perimeter run and Jacobs or Wilson's gonna have,
you know, room to operate because you're doing your one eleven.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Being able to crack back and get Jacobs to the
outside on the touchdown run is one of the best
blocks that you're gonna watch a wide receiver make and
he physically comes in and dominates a cat like.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Being able to do that one has to be a
lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
And to not have been able to do it for
almost three hundred days and been just itching to be
able to get back felt a lot of personal satisfaction
for Watson on that block in particular. The catches are great, right,
Being able to make plays that's always gonna be fun.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
That's what you get paid for.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
But just be able to, again, no pause, put your
hands on somebody and shove somebody out of the way.
As a football player, that's what you end up missing
the most. It's the only time that you can physically
manhandle somebody and not be arrested for it.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
You get arrested for it, no doubt. And talking about Watson,
can we just just pause for a second and appreciate
the fact that he's back out on the field after
suffering an injury in January of this year.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Yeah, this year.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Brandon Aiyuk hurt tore his acl what October of last
year and is still not back out on the field.
That's crazy. It's just nuts to think about everything Watson
has done to get to this point and back out
there and contributing after suffering an ACL injury in January.
What that's crazy And.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
To see the Packers reward a guy for that, right,
I mean, I had a lot to do with I'm
sure that extra year, the contract and all that stuff,
and maybe that, you know, in the back of my mind,
I thought about the old gripe, our old friend Aaron
Rodgers had with the way they treat players and the relationships,
and maybe that's part of it.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Is that the evolution of that or is it not.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
I'm not mean sure that's the Packers getting all in
their feels and being more respectful of their players because
Aaron Rodgers complained about it publicly. Is that what you're intimating?

Speaker 3 (10:00):
I just don't know what I am intimating, But I
wonder I like that or if it's just a matter
of It's very simple. You showed us you worked and
you earned it, and you helped the franchise by doing that.
You're gonna help yourself by doing that, and you're gonna
be rewarded for it.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
You know. I think it has a lot more to
do with his upside and the fact that they know
what he means to their offense when he's out there.
You saw it again on Sunday night, and it has
been you know, quantified to a point where you know,
they score almost not quite a touchdown more per game
when he's out there. But the offense is absolutely, I

(10:35):
want to say, exponentially more lethal when he's on the grass,
you know what I mean. Like it doesn't matter if
he's being targeted or not. He is drawing attention. Teams
have to play them a certain way. It is just
night and day. So they give him that your extension
knowing that, Okay, if you can come back this season
here in twenty twenty five and keep doing what you
did on Sunday night and continue to build on what

(10:57):
you've done in this offense, they possible. Is there for
a long term deal, you know, probably a good chance
of the capains this offseason if he you know, balls
out back after this season.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I don't know if it has to be the sense
it's a one year deal. It might not have to
be the full three hundred and sixty five days from
when he signs the one before as the one you
can sign it. But you're right in eggs. They'll start
talking if he plays well earlier on and set it
up and it might be right there. On the first
day they're allowed to, they announced something and Arman, I
don't think you're completely wrong, because like there's the thought
of like, well, you don't. You don't do business just

(11:30):
to make people feel good. However, there is a way
you do business, and I think I talked about it
a number of years ago when Aaron Jones was up
for his contract in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
It's like or after the twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Teens, it's a all right, if you're not gonna pay
this guy, everybody looks around in the locker room and says,
hold on, this is one of the pillars of the team,
one of the best producers, one of the nicest guys.
If he's not going to get paid, I'm sure as
hell I'm not getting paid. So like there's a there's
a time of where you do business and you try
to inspire some hope and confidence. But that's not why

(12:04):
Christian Watson gets the money, is to make everybody happy
and get puppy dogs.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
And ice cream.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
But there's a thought to listen, he's a stalwarth and
he's one of the right guys in the building. You
do have to reward people.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
He's a core player. Yeah, and you've seen more.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Teams, especially like the best teams in football, Philadelphia Eagles,
I point to a lot They reward their best players
and the people that are really really important in their
locker room, maybe a tick earlier than other teams would.
So it's not that he wouldn't have gotten the money,
but I do think there's now, especially in modern day sports,
where you want to reward a tick earlier than in

(12:39):
the past, where you would take it all the way
to the last second and then give the money because
feelings matter, and I think you learn some of that.
NAGS maybe not from the Rogers deal, but maybe from
the Devonte Adams negotiation would be the one that maybe
Adam no doubt.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
I mean, people forget the DeAndre Hopkins deal, absolutely blowing
up those talks because Hopkins got an insane deal with
Aaron no which you know they had been talking to
DeVante and then that happened, and it just completely destroyed
the entire kind of structure of what wide receivers were getting.
And at that point it was over, like they weren't

(13:15):
going to come to an agreement.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
But again that's where you do it earlier and right
when they come to you, those things don't happen and
changes the conversation.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
A lot, no doubt. And you saw that kind of
play out with pass rushers this offseason, right. I mean
to think about Max Crosby signing his deal. When he did,
the Cowboys dragged their feet on Micah and now he's
a Green Bay Packer totally, you know, and the Packers
were more than happy to pay the man. Which speaking
of Michael Parsons, man, good lord, can we just the
way the position versatility on Sunday night, the way they

(13:46):
had him standing up on some of these third downs
and essentially just you know, working through the wash like
a guy running a route, almost faking dudes out. The
guards going one way and centered things, he's going the
other way and he's just going right through the a
gap and getting in Rogers face. Just again, it happens
every week, but you see his effect. Even when he's

(14:09):
not getting a sack. The quarterback has to avoid his
pressure and he's going you know, up in the pocket
into the loving arms. For Sean Gary, He's worth every
freaking Penny.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, the chef, as we like to call Jeff Afflee,
is using his very versatile ingredient.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Is that what are you gonna set spiceing some of
that into the award winning Chile I.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Think, you know, if I had an ingredient like Micah,
that would probably.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
Yeah, never lose.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Well, it definitely helps your defense look even better, right.
I think they're a good defense there. They can be
a great one when that's a part of it. Also,
the standing up is a little bit more reminiscent of
what he did as a rookie, which I think really
was what burst him onto the scene was his ability
to stand up. And you'd have to talk to a quarterback.
Maybe Kurt Benker could could speak to it a little
bit better than I. But when we talked about the

(14:59):
blo side rush or the rush that's right in your
face off the right side, there's something too. Seeing the
scariest player on that opponent defense nags right over the
damn center and having to stare right into his eyes.
I think that's an intimidation factor that I, for one
like even more and would like to see as much
as possible on third downs.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Well, and the fact that they could get into advantageous
down in distances, especially those third downs where Steelers needed
to pick up chunks, you know. And the big fear
coming into that game was that Rogers was gonna kind
of paper cut them to death, like we had seen
with Michael pars Ar, sorry, with Dak Prescott a couple
of weeks ago, right, and they tried some of that.

(15:40):
But I thought the Packers did a pretty damn good
job of limiting the damage in that regard, Like they
kept getting them into kind of third nine, third and eight,
which isn't insurmountable, but it's all you need with this front.
Like that's the difference between you know, constantly living in
third and two where you can gin up bubble screen

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or something easy for your quarterback just to get the
ball out of his hands as quickly as possible convert,
and you're carrying on to oh now it's third nine, eight, nine, ten,
Well he's got to hold the ball. It took longer
unless he's which he did. He ended up doing this
a lot on Sunday night, hitting the checkout, hitting the
guy underneath, because that's all he has time for. You
know that The rush really worked well, But at the

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same time, you got to give credit to the back end.
I know Kishon Nixon had a bad game, right, like,
no question about it, but he is still part of
the crew that kept a lid on a lot of
these third and longs that enabled the rush to affect
the quarterback. So to me, that was the biggest story
as far as what I was really worried about coming

(16:43):
into the game never really materialized because they did such
a great job of marrying rush with coverage.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, in Nags the Kishan, I'm glad you mentioned Keishon's
name because I do think we need to get this
out into the world.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
Is Kishaw Nixon Durrell reeves.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
No, No, all right, So I do think we need
to stop expecting champ Bailey esque performances by Keisha Nickson.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
I like how you almost lean into a New York
accent there because you're talking about revis So they.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Do think we need to you know, I'm very closely
going down the brecon and saying.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
For goodness, price ships, just be just.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Be happy with good play and a and a pass
break up for here and there at some point, celebrate
the good play that does happen, and don't just be
mad that, Oh my god, hek Metcalf got a six
yard slant on him.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Son of a gun. We got this can't happen. Can't happen?

Speaker 1 (17:30):
A slant touchdown like that is gonna happen. That's gonna
real problem that I understand frustrations around multiple infractions on
third downs, which elongate drives. Yeah, I get upset and frustrated.
I get it.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
I get it, but it's it's an imperfect game, and
like I do, I really struggle to let's hold the
guy to a all Pro Hall of Fame level caliber
play when he's he's the best player at that spot
that you have. So you are going to have to
at some point live with the circumstance that it is.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Now.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
I get that we always want to be better and
we want to strive for greatness, that we're going to
push for it.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
But what I just said that that people confirming priors
because all off season everybody talked, oh, well, the corners
are terrible, and there they're corners are awful. It's the
worst cornerback group in the league. So anytime they give
up anything, I told you so, I told you it
was a terrible corner group. Never mind what I just
talked about as far as rush Mary coverage, never mind

(18:33):
all the really good work they've done, Like it's you
give up a couple of plays and AWE told I
told you, because there's this weird kind of thing sometimes, right,
they want to be right more than the root for
their favorite team. Like that is wild.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Well, someone did tell me that making these guys look
like a mod Carroll as an all famer, I said,
all right, all right, if we're starting to throw a
mod Carroll, they did not remember how bad a money Wow,
It's just come on, he's the reality of it. I
cheered for all my Yeah, if somebody throws Quintin Rollins
in there, like, hey, do we want to check that
tape and actually see how bad it was like version two?

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Holy, they can't hurt us anymore.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
That's a great point.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
But there is an aspect of this is also and
I brought this up with you earlier this week, Billy,
this is also a league that completes a lot of passes.

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Now, right, It's just the way it is. It's really hard.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Just to defend against completions all the time. Those things
will happen on your cornerbacks, not No one's sitting to us.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
That doesn't mean we don't want to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
No, you know some of us you're settling for mediocrity.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
But that's always my favorite, actually want to win. But
it is the reality of it now, So how can
we get better? I thought getting Karenson Valentine a lot
of more snaps was a good step.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
Here.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Here is what I loved about Valentine's game. Was it perfect? No?
What you know, were there moments he'd probably look at
the tape and go yikes. Sure, But and I think
you heard Matt talk about this on Monday. He competed
on every down, he went after the football. He was
in guys grill, he did not back down. And that
secondary desperately needs more of that, because, as we talked

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about earlier, and Micah said it when he arrived.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
Ball's got to come out.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
You know, they have to throw the ball, quick, attack
the ball, get after the make a play on the ball.
And that's what Valentine continued to do, down in and
down out. They need more of that across the board
because they're gonna get opportunities they just make plays on
the ball and good things will happen.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, yeah, I I but they're also going they're also
going to get got and like that's that's part of
the game. Yeah, it's it's just the the toughest part
of it, Naggs. And you're right with the priors, but
they're trying to slow down upwards of.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
Eighty to ninety combinations.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
On the other side, you are going to get god like,
so we are gonna have to be saying, my god,
you have five receptions against them.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
That's just not going to be satisfact.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Why do they have that voice.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
That's not gonna be that's not gonna be good enough.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
However, when we see one hundred and forty five passer
rating against Nate Hobbs, yeah, we're gonna have to up
and they change.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Luckily, we did make a change and we listened to myself.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
I'll say I was a bit surprised at the quick
quick switch there.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
I mean, oh, I was very wrong. Yeah, Matt was.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Asked about it last week and he said, well, we're
gonna you know, he's gonna play better and blah blah blah.
And I thought, you know, that's kind of their way.
They kind of let guys work through problems and whatever.
Nope it Nate Hobbs. Welcome to three snaps for this game.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Do you think Nate Hobbs maybe uh didn't help himself
with not maybe listening to the head coach's warnings during
the preseason of slow the bleep.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Down and don't try and injure your own players.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Literally the next practice comes out there and lays the wood.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, maybe you could have potentially bought yourself a little
bit more leash there, Grace possibly you.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Know what I do that now?

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah? No, where is it now?

Speaker 4 (22:05):
That's what we want to do it now.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah, there have been I will say there have been
like very few and far between, but there have been
a few moments like that from yeah, yeah, mostly you
remember him getting burnt. So you just need to just
need to tighten it up a little bit. That's always happened.
We're gonna tighten up the next segment after this break
of listening to a bunch of stuff that you know

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you may or may not be interested in, but I
know you're going to be interested in hearing us talk
about the Steelers game, and of course big nineteen twenty
three or so are you thirty three or whatever it is?
Throwback uniforms that they're wearing next week against the Carolina Panthers.
I know Arm is excited. We'll be talking about that
and all sorts of green and gold nonsense. On the
flip side for Arm and Billy, it's Aaron Nagler on

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(23:36):
the week, which ladies and gentlemen, Boys and girls, how
is it anything other than the pop fly ball to
tuck her craft on third down? I gotta say, when
that ball was in the air, boys, I had visions
of a Steeler's pick six running through my mind. I
on our watch party. You can hear me. My voice
just dies and then miraculously Tucker catches it and trucks

(24:01):
two fools on the way to a fifty plus yard game.
I mean, talk about a heart stopping play. I think
that qualifies.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, that would quantify and qualify as it. I also
think that there's something to watching the turning point of
the game that it ended up being, because you come
out of the locker room, you're down two scores and
you desperately need to stop. You haven't been slowing much
of the run game at all. Then I think he
gave up twelve rushing yards in the second half. Luckily,
your offense was a big part of it, but like, damn,

(24:31):
all right, we needed a gift and they needed to
not calling off sides. That was clearly in off sides
for us to get the ball back, then we're just
gonna go out like a light and go three and
out here quickly and gain five yards. So that was
a massive moment to then you know, five plays later,
you're into the end zone.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
But from not only a.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Game changing turning point, play could be one that you
look back on next depending on how the season goes.
As Man down two scores in Pittsburgh into the second half,
and if it's not for a pop fly ball that
Arman said looked like a duck.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
It looked like a.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Duck at klack like a duck. But we had a
better duck.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Hunter had a big We had a big buck and
duck hunter who was gonna truck you into the end
zone because he doesn't give up.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
And that's where a good one, thank you, all done,
And that's where sometimes you like this term billy. This
is like a dad coaching term. Sometimes it's not about
the x's and O. Sometimes it's about the Jimmies and
Joe's or the Tuckers.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Because he was.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
The most important, the most important thing of that play
was him out, toughing up, muscling out playing everybody else
there because that was up for grabs, There's no doubt
about it.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
He just was able to grab it. And thankfully so.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
I do love on the play. You know people talking
about love and the decision there. I think decision is right.
Like he's got a one on one, it's a all
out pressure from Pittsburgh. He knows he's got a one
on one. He's trying to put the ball or trying
to get the ball to a guy to make a play. Right,
he's gotten out. He should have an opportunity for whatever reason.

(25:58):
I don't know why he double clutches, but because of it,
he's getting hit as he lets it go, and I
think obviously that's what makes it the pop up it became.
But again, Tucker just makes the play man. What an
outstanding job from I mean, let's say it, one of,
if not the best tight end in the game today.
I mean, I don't know what part of his game
you can poke a hole into try and bring him down,

(26:20):
because right now he is doing it all and he's
doing it at an insanely high level.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, he's definitely in the all pro conversation. And when
you look at the rest of the NFC, George misses
time I think from namesake and understandably so, from just
attitude and what he does in the film room during
the week. You have to account for George Kittle, so
he will still be near the top. But the production

(26:45):
twenty twenty five will change. Tucker's going to get into
that stratosphere. And that's the next part of it, Nags.
It's like you now you have the production. I think
he's a number one fantasy tight end in all of football.
Makes sense with the kind of yeah yards after the
catch that he's no doubt, but the respect in game
planning for him is the next step, and it's not

(27:07):
gonna take very long because of how frequently he is
the number one option on every third down attempt.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Oh absolutely, And what I love is that there are
times when he's just you know, Love is getting them
the ball even when the play is not designed for him.
His first touchdown is a called run play. They just
have a run solution on and Love's like, oh, that
looks like it opened, so he just takes it right.
And of course you've got the great blocking on the perimeter.
Well you're talking about Kristen Watson earlier, great work on
that play in particular. So it's even when it's not

(27:37):
designed for him, even when it's just, oh, this is
a kind of something that looks good in the scheme
as far as what's presented pre snap, et cetera. I'll
just take that. Man. He's still producing, he's still trucking fools,
he's still getting into the end zone. I mean, there's
only so much a defense can do. When the Packers
have done such a good job of kind of spreading
the ball around, you never really know which guy is

(28:00):
gonna hurt. You win and I know that has been
somewhat of a source of consternation among the fan base,
but I think again, I think it's a very good thing,
and I think it helps the offense and it helps
Tucker craft.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
If you become a player that great, it gets hard
for a defense to really take you out of the
game because you see a situation like less. That's a
great example the connection that Mahomes and Kelsey have now
created over time and have cultivated over the years to
become sort of that you know, esp second nature like,
you know, it doesn't have to be scripted kind of connection.
If Jordan and Tucker can create that type of connection

(28:33):
where he knows what he wants to do and it's
always that ace in the back pocket, you know, when
it plays off script and tangible, he can become that
much more valuable to the offense because you don't know
how to defend him then, right, So hopefully that's the
next stage of his development. You know, right now it's
going great, he's becoming that guy. Hopefully that's the next
stage of Tucker's development is just to be the guy
that's on the same page so much with Jordan to

(28:55):
be a threat at any time off schedule, which is
when a lot of those things happen. As you and
guys know in football, is off schedule when things break.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Down, no doubt, it's never as you draw it up
on the whiteboard. And man, talk about off schedule. How
about that play from Jordan Love rolling out to his right,
throwing across his body just over the outstretched fingertips of
the defensive back for the Steelers, landing in Watson's lap.
I mean, that is an absurd play and it's so

(29:21):
funny that he makes plays like that, And yeah, my
heart does, you know, get up in my throat a
little bit. But that's why you go out to the ballpark.
And that's what I love about him, because he can
be a surgical assassin, as you saw with twenty straight completions,
but at the same time, he can be a gunslinger.
He I thought he did a great job of taking

(29:44):
calculated risks in this game, and that's again the nature
of his game that I absolutely love.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Yeah, And and that part of it is why you
can't trust him. You just can't trust that kind of
that kind of reckless nature, but you can you can
know that it any given time.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
Naggs he is still trying to take the top off
of the defense.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Oh yeah, every time he hits the back of the
five step drop, you see those eyes big and downfield.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
My man is money check to get down field.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
And that's the way you have to play ball in
twenty twenty five, where you're gonna get limited how many
times you're gonna be able to throw it deep down
the field, So you always have to be eyeing it
up and trying to get it and especially when listen,
your ground game has not hit the stride that it
did in the back half of the year last year,
but physically, and we talked about it with Wayne LARRV

(30:35):
yesterday and Larry mccahran. Listen, you want to talk about
somebody that knows this team inside and out, when they're rolling,
when they're not, when they need a little kick in
the ass. Larry mccaerron is there now, arman. You hear
most of it during the breaks. We only get to
hear it during the call on on Sunday and now
on ninety five to seven Big FM.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
But like when you hear Larry at the end.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Of the first half going into the scaid, you know, wait,
I'm just gonna say it, they're just winning the line
of scrimmage.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
He's like, they're just winning. That's that's all it is.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
It's there's nothing to it, there's nothing scientific about it.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
They're just winning.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
And then quickly that pacing in that physicality changes. They
need to be a little bit more physically imposing. But
they showed it into the second half, and I thought
that was sure. They ran for what three point four
yards of carry three point six a tote.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
That that's not gonna that's not gonna be enough.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
But you saw into the second half they were able
to move guys, and I wonder if there's something to
them just we talked about it feeling out into the
game in the first segment, Nags, that's gonna be a
part of their run game, is they're feeling out how
they run the football because this is only the second
game that they've had the real complement of offensive lineman
that they want in the football game.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, how about your boy Sean Ryan getting some run
in this game? Hey, I mean exactly, talk about talk
about a real competition at right guard. That I was
interesting and I thought both of those guys played pretty
darn well. But it was interesting to see a real
kind of return to the rotation at guard there. You
know that there wasn't a guy who I thought was
noticeably or obviously better. But you know, the Packers remain

(32:16):
true to their word. They're gonna have competition, and they
certainly seem to be fostering it there. I got a
question for you, Billy, because this is you're talking about
the run game and how they haven't been very effective, right,
And i't remember being, you know, a young buck watching
the Packers come on the come up with Mike Holmgren
and company there with you know, Edgar Bennett and Dorsey Levins,

(32:38):
and I remember them not being able to run the
ball particularly well for stretches, and Mike always kind of
responded with, you know, obviously classic West Coast stuff, lots
of quick rhythm passing, quick game screens, things of that nature,
just to continue to get the ball in your back's hands.
But you know, maybe don't maybe not in your head

(33:00):
against a wall, which is what it feels like the
Packers are kind of doing. And I do wonder if
there comes a moment and now, look, there's still a
lot of football left to be played. To your point, earlier,
they did kind of figure it out and get it
going on the ground later in the season last year.
Maybe that occurs again. But I do wonder if there's
a moment where Lafleur kind of looks at his team,
and particularly looks at his offensive line. He goes, look,

(33:22):
I know the idea moving Jenkins adding Banks. We were
going to road grade people, we were going to run
over folks, and we were going to create all this
movement to use your term for Josh Jacobs, because Jacobs
was doing so much work getting hit at or even
behind the line of scrimmage last year. We want it
to be easier for our back. We want to lean
into this running game. Obviously, none of that has occurred,

(33:45):
and I do wonder if there comes a moment maybe
soon where Lafleour makes a slight and I'm not talking
a huge adjustment, but a slight adjustment to you know, again,
going into these first halves and these issues, maybe we
start using the quick game as an extension of our
running game out of the gate, like in the first
couple drives, just to loosen things up, i e. Setting

(34:07):
using the pass to set up the run right rather
than the other way around. Because right now it just
hasn't been very effective.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, and there's something too, and people do not like
this statement that I'm gonna make. There's something that you
have to try to win the game that you're playing here,
and there's also you have to look for the betterment
of the entire twenty twenty five season. When Mike was
able to make those decisions, we can have more of
this conversation. Cause I hear arm and playing the music.
I know we gotta go. But there's a development part
of this. There is a team building part of this,

(34:37):
and there is when Mike Holmgren was able to make
that determination and change up some of the flow and
rhythm he had seen hmmm, one hundred hours of play
that that offensive line had put together and been together
for on the practice field onto the game field. Now
it is so different that I don't know that you

(35:00):
know if this offensive line experiment hasn't worked, just because
as you said, it hasn't been what you wanted so far,
And I would push back a little bit on that
it hadn't gotten going at all. They have run for
seven touchdowns in the last four games, right, so as
much as their foals.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Also because Josh Jacobs can do wondrous things even when
the blocking is bad.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Yeah, but you got to call the run play right.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
So I mean, as much as I get it, like
you can't. But there's also one where he's standing up
after fourteen yards and there's three guys pushing them over. So, like,
you run the ball and the commitment to it is
more important than as much as you want to get
your four yards and keep rolling.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Teams have to believe that you're going to run the football.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
And I think that's the most impressive thing that Lafleur
has done, is they're still averaging almost thirty attempts a game.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
That's important to do.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
I don't doubt it. The physical nature of the game
is important, and I'm sure the guys on the line
would appreciate that stance. Talking to a former offensive lineman
and an offensive line coach, so I understand where this
reaction is gonna come from. But we will discuss that
and more. And I want to get into the defensive
side of the ball and how they kept the Packers
in the game on Sunday night, because that could have

(36:09):
been a disaster in the first half, but it wasn't.
We'll talk about that talk about this game, this matchup
with the Panthers on Sunday, Everything Green and Gold. On
the flip side, that's Billy Armon. I'm Aaron on Carrie
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(36:30):
about the Packers urgently with Billy Harmon. Aaron Nagler here.
You know, it's one of the great joys of my
life that the Internet allows us to hang out each
and every week talk Packers with yourselves and of course
people all across the globe checking in on the Cheesehead
TV YouTube chat, including one Mike Witt, who is here

(36:53):
every week every week Mike Mike super Chats. Love it.
Mike's got a couple here. First up, how do you guys?
It won't be talked about like other guys performances, But
I think Aigbari had a very solid game in Pittsburgh. Thoughts.
I got so many thoughts. Uh, this cat is playing
really well and I really hope we appreciate what he's

(37:14):
doing in the Green and gold uniform because I gotta
think certainly this offseason he's going to go to Greener
Pastors and probably sign a free agent deal somewhere else.
And that's if he doesn't get traded at the deadline,
which I also think is a possibility. I'm not saying
that's gonna happen. I'm reporting anything, no, nothing, But if
you are a edge needy team, you're looking at guys going,

(37:35):
you know, on the last year of their deal, playing
at a high level, and Baris you're calling about him,
you have to. And to Mike's point, I thought he
played a hell of a game on Sunday night.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
Yeah, I played well.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
I think it takes two to tango, and we were
asked about it on yesterday's show, or Packers ot they
all kind of blended together because I think there are two.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Hours apart, right, Naggs.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
I struggle seeing good teams trading away players, right, Like,
I guess.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
That's why I don't think it'll happen.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
Yeah, I guess, like.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
And rightfully so, teams should absolutely be calling. Just like
the question more for us came in terms of the
wide receiver position, and they're like, well, we have all
of these guys, and I think Mike talked about Jayden
Reid as well, and all of the young players that
we have in great wide receivers, Well, why wouldn't we
trade one of these guys and go get a corner
so then Keyshawn Nixon doesn't have to play. And I

(38:24):
was like, well, first off, let's let's start it inside.
Let's start it in segments here. First off, if there
is corner to be had, who is starting caliber and
going to be above Keishaw Nixon? Again, I bet the
backers are making a phone call. But those guys aren't
really running on trees. I don't know Roger McCreery. I
don't know if everybody had all of his greatest hits albums,

(38:46):
who was just shipped to the Los Angeles Rams, But
I don't know that he's game changing in that variety.
I didn't know if there were that many Greg Newsom fans.
Potentially when he was moved from.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
The Cleveland Greg Newsome stuff I remember because people really
liked him in the draft. Yeah, so that when I get.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Him in the draft, now the contractor one hundred percent,
and that makes some sense. But I don't see team
that believes they can win the Super Bowl trading even
if it's a depth piece, any piece, because you don't
know when that depth piece becomes.

Speaker 4 (39:18):
I don't know your number two wide receiver, that.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Depth gets shallow real quick. Absolutely. I mean you just
got Watson back. He just lived without him for how
long you don't want to go back to living like that?
Absolutely not, I'm with you. I don't think a move
gets made, but you never know. But the overall arching
point here is any Bari played really well and has
been playing really well. And it is funny because, like man,
you know, he's got kind of down the depth charted

(39:44):
because of the Mica trade, but Lucas van Ness going
down has given him some opportunities and he has absolutely responded.
And I don't think he's out there like looking like
an All pro or anything, but he's playing really well,
playing really solid ball. And they need him too with
van Ness being down, so that has been a pleasant development.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
Yeah, and you just said it.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
With the van Ness injury, he's now he's one play
away from being your starter, right like that.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
That's a tough spot to be.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
And as much as I was and still believe, we
can see some big time stuff from Lucas van Ness
this year. We have that sack just before the injury,
which is nice.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
For you literally got hurt on the sack, like I mean,
it's that's tough.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
That's that's a tough lot in life when the biggest
play that you make in the season might be your
last play of the season.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
I don't believe it's gonna be. I think he's gonna
be back.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
But.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
You're not gonna deal.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Away saying like, well, we got Lucas Mavness, so I
mean at some point, like we we got Vaness, it
should be okay. No, we want to hold onto everybody
that can generate pass rush because, uh, we can very
quickly be looking for it. And talk about another guy
that returned here this week. Nice to see Devonte Wyatt
into the foes. Was their defense different when ninety.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
So different? And it's so funny how teams already were
doing this, but they really Steelers really leaned into. Uh,
we have no interest in running in the a gap
or between the tackles. We will attack the edges, thank
you very much, because we want nothing to do with
Devunte Wyatt. I was, you know, straight up, he kept
making plays outside the tackle boxes. He's running like so

(41:16):
much inside out pursuit. I gotta think, man, I hope
he was conditioned all week because he did so much
running in this game. Game and the amount he wanted
nothing to do with the middle of the line. They
wanted to get away from him as much as possible.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Absolutely, the amount that every time I hear Micah Parsons
talk to a reporter, he first to mention Dy all
the time, so that I'm like, Oh, if he thinks
he's that good, he must know what he's talking about him,
you know.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
Yeah, he seems like he knows what he's talking about
in football.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
You know, right, Like it all adds up. It definitely
all adds up. I did like Mike's other point, though,
I do believe in baby steps. But just imagine if
a healthy Jane Reid gets back by December, offense could
be deadly. Man. That's what's crazy. Think about what Jayden
was doing those first couple of games. That touchdown against
Detroit should have been a touchdown against the Commanders. I mean,

(42:03):
you add him into the mix, he's starting to cook
with gas doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
I do like our friend Soder Colin Oliver. They have
Colin Oliver.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
Colin Oliver's Family's not even giving him that kind of love. Yeah,
Colin Oliver.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Man, is he a real person? He's the new He's
the news Colin Oliver is Colin Oliver, a real.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Human being, could be A could be You don't know,
the AI could be could be like one of those
birds that Armond seeing in his AI bird feeder. We're
gonna get you up to speed on that he's trying
to get an AI bird feeder.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Well, that's kind of like what we're doing. The chiefs
at TV Cory has got an idea that he's going
to have an AI avatar who sits in for him
during watch parties. So this is going to be an
AI banky.

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Speaker 1 (44:17):
That's what I'm talking about. That is what I'm talking about.
I'm also talking about the Green Bay Packers with my
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come on, Mike the Chief said to the YouTube channel,
I do. I just like it when they self identify
as the yours because at least we get that out
of the world. Lean into it, Lean into it to
be honest about yourself, you know, be self reflective. I

(44:40):
appreciate it. Mike says, one more. I hope MYR side
isn't coming out, but could this Carolina game be a
treaded trap game? Possibly looking past them to the Eagles?
Banky or tauscher On carry the g would be amazing
to go Pack go would absolutely I think either of
those are gonna happen, but we appreciate the sentiment. I
will say this is true, one billion percent true story.

(45:03):
Yesterday I got a text from a friend of mine
who works for the Carolina Panthers, who said, and I quote,
the Green Bay Packers are the best team in football.
And I said that, yeah, they're playing well. Right, they're
playing well. Everybody's got warts Packers certainly have theirs, but yeah,
they're playing well. And then they said, well, you know,
just hope we can give you guys a game on Sunday,

(45:24):
he said. My response. My response was, you know exactly
how this is gonna play out. Yeah, big game on Sunday,
big game two weeks from now noon, kickoff. Oh they're
gonna come out flat. I'm sorry, I don't make the rules.
I've just watched a billion Green Bay Packers games, a

(45:44):
million green Bay Packers seasons, you know they're coming out
flat noon or noon kickoff. They're coming out flat on
Sunday against the Panthers. That doesn't mean they're not gonna
win the game, because I think they will, but it's
gonna be one of those classic well three out, let
them march down the field, score and well, crowd is
quiet and oh so things? Can we look kind of flat?

(46:07):
That that is coming? Book? That?

Speaker 4 (46:09):
Yeah, that's that's an interesting one.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
I would say probably not with Andy Dalton as the quarterback.
But if you like that one, Nags plus six and
a half the Potabotomy sports book for the first half
with the Carolina Panthers is what you can get.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
I just they're they're a better team.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Than Carolina has been over the last couple of years. Also,
hard to be worse, Hard to be worse than having
your owner actually throwing drinks on opposing fans. But they're
starting to figure some stuff out. I like their head coach,
Dave Canalis knows football, and I think Bryce Young has
looked a lot better this year. Now, granted he's gonna
most likely miss the game with a high ankle sprain,

(46:44):
and it's probably gonna be Dalton again. They just got
absolutely murdered by the race.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Like it was.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
It was bad to watch and actually felt bad watching
it for as long as I did on Sunday Ticket.
But I think there's there's some players on that Carolina team.
But yeah, I don't know. You're you're fit though. The
system play Arman in the betting world, as we would
like to say that that's a system play. System plays
Packers in the middle of two big, huge games noon boom, sleepy,

(47:16):
potential Green package. Uh, they're in lambeau Field.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
I wouldn't. I'm not even addressed coming up. There's going
to be a coming out for all.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
The coach talks about it. Head coach talks about how
much you know, louder and more exciting.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Does here we go again, divided instead of uniting, we
should be uniting and we're one. We're Green and Gold.
We're together. We are the Packer nation, not Green versus Gold. Look,
I'll say this. You mentioned that they're not as bad
as you know you might think the Panthers have been
this year. They're not on one aspect. The other hand

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of this is because there are expectations from fans of well,
this should be a cake walk almost anything will not
satisfy right early on unless it's like nothing and you're
old buddy there and Carolina is just setting you up.
Don't let them do all that.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Hey, you guys, I know, I know.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
I love you guys. You're trust I'm so good.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
We're nothing. We're just happy to be on the field
collecting checks. No no, no, no, no, no no no, this
is this is the trojan horse set up.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
I have some brilliant game. No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
I do think.

Speaker 4 (48:25):
I agree, Billy. I think the Packers will win.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
But I was always been telling Billy my prediction for
the last three weeks has been true. I think the
Packers will win, and I think you'll take unsatisfied fan
calls on Packers ot from another fan base that's unhappy
about the way we won and the way we did it.
But yeah, I don't know unless unless Lamar Lath and
Sam Mills.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
And Kevin Green are walking through that door. I'm not
too worried about this shut out.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
The old Sam Mills is one of my favorite players ever.
Was the side of Bay Packers. You know, like, I
love Sam.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
That was the one, you know, concern about ninety six,
right the NC Italian was a group of linebackers with
domze Blitz and all that stuff. But you like to
think the Packers will take care of business. But you know,
is it the noon games.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
Yeah, and they should.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
They should. Look, they're the better team. They absolutly they're
playing at home for God's sake. They absolutely they're twelve
and a half point favorites. Yeah they should. Now, what
wasn't it a couple of weeks ago they were like,
what fourteen plus point favorites against the Bengals. I believe
we won. You know, yep, they won, which I think
they will again on Sunday. I'm just saying, like this

(49:34):
idea that and especially since you saw the Bills take
care of business the way they did, the expectations become well,
that's what the Packers should do, just saying it probably
doesn't work out that way. Still think they get the
dub but it's just it's not gonna play out that way.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
Yeah, it is an NFL football game.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
And I think I've talked about this too many different
times throughout uh off, during POSTGAMESGS doing Saturday and Sunday
post games.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
There are there are no bottom of the Big.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Ten bottom of the SEC teams in in pro football, right,
everybody is a top twenty five outfit, and you're not
just gonna walk in and homecoming style roll somebody. Even
though the Packers are trying the homecoming style, roll the
Carolina Panthers as they bust out the thirties throwbacks. That's
generally something you would do on a homecoming That's what

(50:21):
you would do on a homecoming game against Let's circle
the opponent, Oh Carolina, all right.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Who should we dog Rock?

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (50:29):
You actually needed to sell tickets for a single game variety.
That would be the one that we put for a
bigger gate. So let's just circle that one and where
the throwbacks that day?

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Remember when they did that against the Jets. It was
supposed to be all the learning the throwbacks and they're
going to roll the Jet and then the Jets came
in and whooped up on them.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
It's seventeen nothing or something like that at halftimes. Yeah,
that was a rough day, one man, that was a
very rough day.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
That's one of the tougher watch parties we've done, too,
because Corey was in Japan for that game, and he's
up at like four thirty am and it's like the
good luck in that part of the AIH my God,
and the and the uh you know, packers look completely
lifeless and can't move the ball, and Corey hasn't slept
and he's going what he didn't know what was real

(51:11):
and what was a dream because he was just so
out of it. I don't ever want to deal with
that again.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
I'm excited to see the AI.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
I've been thinking mostly throughout the break. The only thing
I've been thinking of, not the Carolina Panthers, is Ai
Banky and how he's gonna look arman. I'm excited to
see what AI does with the receiver gloves and also
if if AI is good enough on the receiver gloves
to have a logo printed in the midst of it,
so like when he puts the hand up, it gets there.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
Because listen stuffs pretty got pretty solid.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
AI is maybe not good enough to act as dumb
as we do on a daily basis, but it's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
It's pretty dang good.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
It's getting closer, no doubt about it. One of the
things that I love that soda brings us up in
the chat Soda long time, she said, TV viewer and listener, Oh,
my god, the back of QB is Packer kryptonite. I
do feel that there is a kind of a generational
thing here, because certainly it's it's played out recently, right.

(52:08):
We saw it a couple of years ago when they
went to New York. They were gonna roll over the
Giants because they had beaten up on the Lions and Chiefs.
And then they go on national television and get, you know,
beat by Tommy freaking de Vito. So I understand there's
like recent precedents here, but it does feel like this
kind of attitude is born out of that horrible Thanksgiving
Day where you know, third string Jason Garrett was going

(52:32):
to be playing and starting for the Cowboys, and Packers
fans thought, finally, finally, we're gonna win down in Dallas,
and then Garrett proceeds to throw all over the Packers defense.
And I think since then, yeah, backup quarterbacks have been
a very real kind of boogeyman for Packers fans.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
It is the origination of it. Probably.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
I also think it's a little bit of a you
remember the times it didn't go well, because I'm sure
if I started looking back, there were a lot of times.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
When the Packers all the backup QB they whooped up
on Yeah, I mean that was.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
My fear when we played Gosh, I'm blanking on his name.
The Vikings course, Joe Webb. I remember being terrified walking
into the Wildcargain. I was already terrified because we're playing them.
You know, Billy knows I run for my nightmares. We're
playing the Vikings.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
I've never been so uh like retrospectively disappointed in a
human being. And told me about his upset before this game.

Speaker 4 (53:26):
So I was like already nervous.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
We're playing the Vikings in the playoffs, and like, please,
we can't lose the Vikings in the playoffs, having bad
memories Randy Maw and just you know.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
And then like right before the game.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
It's Joe Web starting because of this injury, and I'm like,
oh no, it was just like this is like Web
should be fine, but this is gonna be like the
Wrench and this thing disaster and then we go.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Out and blow blow them out.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Ib thinking They're like, I was really worried about Joe Webb.
But you know what, that's an example of there are
times when it doesn't go that badly, and that's.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
No, exactly. They do exactly what's expected and they take
care of business. But again, probably somewhat I want to
say unusual. But the idea that the backups have been
a problem for the Packers, I think over the years
is not an unfounded fear. But that said, you know,

(54:20):
I'm looking at the Green Bay Packers here coming into
this game, coming off a game where you know, they
did move the ball with relative ease in the second half,
and I know the Steelers defense has been problematic, and
all I see are Steelers fans like really grouse about
their defense this week, which I get, but I also
think the Packers remain their own worst enemy when it

(54:41):
comes to how to stop the Packers. Well, the Packers
are the one team that consistently stops them because it's
like the you know, the self inflicted wounds have not
gone away, but when they do, which I think you
saw evidence of in the second half, it's this team
does move the ball and does score points. So I
do think you're talking about past the victory of how

(55:02):
this game might play out on Sunday. That is more
than anything. If the Packers can stay away from false starts,
you know, lining up off sides or in the neutral zone,
legal formation nonsense like, keep your head in the game,
and they should be able to control this one from
the jump.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
These are important games because these are BYOJ games. Bring
your own juice.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Now.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Granted, Lambo's gonna have juice. It's gonna be exciting, it's
going to be loud, but you do have to take
a lot of pride in your own individual performance, in
your own individual matchup as to how you dominate it.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
This feels like a feels like a big pass rush game.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
I mean, I just listen, Rico Dowdell and Chewba Hubbard
are nice backs. Ric O'Donnell had a phenomenal game a
couple of weeks ago when you got to take on
the Cowboys. Listen, everybody has a good game against the Cowboys,
or again had a good game against the Cowboys, or
would have a good game against the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
So like, I'm not that nervous there.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
I do think there's a real feasible opportunity on Andy
Dalton behind center because Bryce Young, again, this is a
dude that you go up and down with the young quarterback,
up and down to the point where he gets benched.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
Last year, and the only reason he.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Gets his job back is because Andy Dalton legitimately gets
in a car wreck.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
Like the old joke of we need two car wrecks
and you're in that actually got one. We got one
car wreck, and.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
That's actually how Bryce Young got his job back. And
he's taken it and run with it. He's been a
good quarterback for them so far. It's all about when
and when you play teams, not always who you play.
And you're again it's the Carolina Panthers. People are gonna
laugh and smirk here, but they were four and three
going into last week, right, It's all about when you
play teams. And there is a reason why you're a

(56:41):
twelve and a half point favorites because you're taking on
another backup quarterback at home. And this one's not Joe Flacco,
even though they both are older and would give you
the skeletal remains, feel.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
Skeletal remains.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
It is absolutely love. You're not wrong. Though you are
not wrong, I will say, I'm just it's gonna be
nice to be back in Lambeau. The schedule has been
whacked really far as how much time this team is
spent on the road. I mean, I get we had
those first two quick games in Lambeau but since then
it's been like one game every month. That's what it's

(57:16):
felt like. It's like it's it's been annoying in that regard. Yeah,
a team that clearly plays better at home. Oh more
home games, darn it.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Also would like in Nagg's this is this is the
old man in me and and armand knows, we had
a I had a really realization of the old radio
where I uh, where I took a picture today and
the progressive commercial of the when you become your parents
two handed took a vertical picture and did the little
like the squint the farting face like this trying to see. Yeah,

(57:47):
But like at that moment that was when I realized
I was old. I also realized I was pretty old
when I sat on Packers ot. Thank god it's a
noon start the way god football be played at Lambeau Field.
Packer's always three twenty fives, and these night games and
these Thursdays. I know we get Monday on the horizon
and that that's one that we're all very very excited for.
But five of the next six games being at noon,

(58:08):
thank god, thank.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
God, I mean the way the Good Lord intended, right,
I mean, get that game kicked off at noon, you
get done, you go have a few cocktails, maybe go
out to the supper club and call it a night.
On Sunday, oh.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Get yourself a big chicken dinner at the Moose Club
and you're feeling phenomenal after that.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Though, or as Mike says, Mike went again, the Krolls.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Butterburger there, Yeah, he'll be there on Sunday. Can already
taste the Krolls butter burger. Now we're talking, and he
also asks, who's the kicker going to be on Sunday?
Here we go, Here we go.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
An hour fifteen, we finally started about kick, talking about
kicking Billy.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
That's where you know, the kickers rank in the pecking order,
That's where we talk about them. Hour at fifteen into
the show. You sure as hell don't lead with the kickers,
you know what I'm saying, Like that's where they should be.
But man, it is a conversation to be had after
that game. And I think it's pretty easy to say.
I mean mcnahn's probably came a little early. I think,
is that fair? Can we say that? I mean, I
didn't even have the access to the medical information. But

(59:05):
it feels fair to say, especially when you had a
kid just stroking it, knocking through a sixty one yard
franchise record the week before. Man, then your kicker comes back,
probably too early and misses two kicks. I mean, that's
a rough look, man, that's a rough look for everyone involved,
not just McManus, because of course McManus wants to play. Yeah,
I get that players want to play, but at some

(59:27):
point it's like, maybe they should have put him on
ir and just let the kick kick well.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
And the other part of it is an eggs like
maybe you take away the temptation of kicking at Acroture.
It's a tough spot, like the way the field has
been brutal all year at Yes, Chris Boswell is one
of the best kickers in the game, and he slipped
and almost fell in his ass kicking a field goal
a couple of weeks ago. There, Like, it's just not
been a great spot to kick in. And I don't

(59:53):
know how you felt. It felt like my man missed
the second kick before he actually kicked the ball.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
I couldn't agreement.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
It did not look like there was any chance that
ball was going through the uprights, and uh, maybe he slipped,
maybe there was something wrong with the operation, but it
looked bad instantly, kind of like when your buddy tells
you he's not going to hit it into the water
off the left side, and he hits it right into
the water. But the first one, I'm just I'm also
my mind's been broken in Arman and I talked about it, like,

(01:00:20):
fifty eight yards feels like a forty two yarder now
the way that I'm watching, the way the NFL is
gone boot sixty yarders and the rotations are what they are.
I remember when you used to miss fifty eight yarders
short right like, So maybe I'm trying to calm down
on that side, but I would love to know how
the conversation went with just the little thumbs up that

(01:00:42):
he gave the thumbs up, I'm good.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Yeah, I'll see you guys in there like there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Maybe we need to analyze how much and how ready
we were to be able to play in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Here's the thing, Like you talk about the fifty eight yarder,
you you were out there this summer. Man, he was
stroking it from sixty on the right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
We were like he hasn't missed all summer. That was
the big thing, you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Know, and he had plenty of leg. So that's why
I'm like, pretty clear he's early. You know, he's coming
back a little early, still dealing with whatever he's dealing with,
which is why I to answer Mike's question, I won't
be surprised if Haversik gets the call here. I won't
be surprised if they go, you know what, Brandon get
to be one hundred percent. Let's just sit him down.
We've got the roster spot, like, let's just sit him

(01:01:27):
down for as long as necessary until he is point
blank one hundred percent, and then bring him back, you know,
and put him on our don't put him on r
or whatever you want to do, but just let the
kid kick. You got somebody who you found is really
so far pretty damn reliable. Why are you complicating? Make
sure you're the kicker who you paid, you have under

(01:01:47):
contract for the next three years. Make sure he's one
hundred percent before throwing him out there and you know,
having some bad outcomes and maybe putting something in his
head that you don't need, especially long term. It was
that's where I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
At, and it was bizarre to see and missed one sure,
because like you said, man, we've been retrained in our brains.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
Like, when's the last time you saw a kicker miss
one short? I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
And I remember start thinking, like, is Pittsburgh in altitude
because of the mountains, And I'm like, it was so weird.
But then Boswell was killing it stroking I realized, like, well,
manus has had no problems with the altitude in the past,
you know, yeah, yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Like they were also saying stroking it again, like that
that's one of the words that needs to come back
or an urban dictionary took that one away way too often.
Add in MK said, uh, you know, it really pisses
me off. Oh damn man, Okay, pisses me off. All
season Packers never given their flowers, always here talking about

(01:02:43):
how good the other teams are. The Packers are having
problems with them, it'll be a blowout Sunday, y'all can stop.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
Let's go ed AD's laying it down on the table
and such. Good God, they're bad ass. This weekend, you
guys can all call down with this. That Carolina is
so good stuff. I like that, Ed. Let's give that
the respect they damn well deserve.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Let's let's let's be clear here. We know Carolina is
not good, but they are an NFL team. There's a
difference there, you know. It's it's just there's no homecoming game.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
There's they're not Purdue. Yeah they're not.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
They're not the Badgers as that way.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
That's automatic W when you see that was that was rude.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Those W people are doing in the stands. That means
you are getting a win. Those boys, those boys played
hard on Saturday. You you watch your mouth on that one.
They tried, they're the battle they.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Tried is an improvement over what they did the couple
weeks prior. So I'll take big time incremental improvement, big time,
big time. I posit that they're trying because they know
they're playing for potential nil money other places. But that's
a conversation for.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
Ope, isn't that Isn't that why we play sports on
the tape?

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
But put it on the tape, and then why we
place what to get an I L money? I guess, yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Why these guys, why these guys in the NFL are
playing make that money, baby.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Make that cheddar. That's what we're gonna do with this
ad break apparently I don't even know what happens here anymore.
But on the flip side, we're gonna we're gonna keep
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(01:04:49):
the G Radio coming back at you. What a pull
from Harmon. There you go on the decks with a
classic from Tears for Peers. Had to let the drum
bill hit before it started talking, because man, classic just
a perfect intro for a song. Come on, you can't
beat it. You love it, you know it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
It's the best, great one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
That's an ultimate driving song right there.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
Yeah, that's absolutely true, ultimate driving song because there's no
turning back.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
There's no turning back. Baby. That's that gas. Put that
pedal to the metal. Baby.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
That's sadly been one of the things that my two
year old has now learned. He learned the phrase turn around,
so now when he now, when we're driving, turn around,
I need ice cream cone Like, yeah, buddy, that's just
not how this turn around.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
I need.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
I need brewers on like well, but that's not how
this works.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Got some bad news for you their kid.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
Yeah, that was the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
So luckily now we have turned him into uh no,
the packers are coming on, so we have that dialed in.
Bucks coming on. He's excited about but uh turnaround. I
don't like because it makes it sound like he thinks
that my driving is bad and I don't handle backseat
driving well, so he's gonna have to you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Pot hear about it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Available to criticism. Yeah, God, actually unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
I also think the funny thing is I don't think
he's gonna care well you think I think he's gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
Keep out logic said, he laughs at me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
It's like, no, turnaround A good one, Dad, turn around,
Just turn around, man.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Yeah, I'm glad I don't deal with any of that anymore.
You know, then they get older and then they all
have personalities and thoughts of their own that they have
to then act upon, and then they make mistakes and
you're like, I told you you didn't old man. You
know that you don't pay any attention to It's.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Almost like Dad's not an idiot, like he's been on
the search for fifty two years.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Maybe you should listen.

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
I don't know the issues, just change.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
I told someone once while I'm excited for my daughter
to grow because then I can reason with her, and
then something, Oh that's adorable.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
That's the reaction.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Man, Oh my god. Just wait, sir, when she hits twelve,
you are gonna know a different world. The size the eye,
ron dog, I'm sorry, there's no reasoning involved. What I'm
trying to set realistic expectations for it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Well, that's important because at two nags, we just learned
how to negotiate. So I'm like, nobody, we're gonna go upstairs.
He goes, how about two more minutes? Okay, two more minutes,
how about five more minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
I'm like, how about you up?

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Like when my girls were little, at a very very
strict we do not negotiate with terrorist policy, so there
was no negotiation. There was just we're gonna do it
death like that. That's how we worked. That's why we
worked in these Do you think that's all it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Goes in the locker room or in like the team
meeting room because apparently not. Apparently Matt Lafleur is open
to conversation because right because bou Meltain's finding himself out
of the field. My man, bou Meltain keeps finding himself
out of the offensive field, nags with an embarrassment of
wide receiver riches.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
We're still seeing number sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Paul Melton and not do it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
Hilarious to see. I'm like, okay, let's go keep rolling
with it. Bullshead receiving game.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
I know he was like the first one to do
it back and what was it twenty twenty three three? Yes, yeah,
so you know, man is a contributor, no question about it.
Everybody speaking of contributions from anywhere and everywhere. We got
Nate in Oak Creek on the line, I believe. But
what's going on with Nate? What's on your mind? Nate? Morning, guys.

(01:08:27):
I just had a really random thing to call in about.
I just had to talk to Arman for a second.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
I love the positivity.

Speaker 5 (01:08:34):
I love that you're you're this you're wholesome guy, like
you have no business being the voice of reasons.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Sounding as much like Steve O as you do.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Yeah, I've heard that before. I do sound like Steve.
Oh right, that's and I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Like, you're you're such a nice genuine guy, and I'm like,
your voice does not match your personality.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
That's a guy that like staples himself together and does
things like that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
And exactly appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
That's that's great work, mat and thank you very much. Now,
I gotta be honest like that. He's he's spot out.
You could not have two different individuals.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Disparate people represented by the same vocal inflection, no doubt
about it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
We always talk about the outlier performances, right and then somewhere.
The truth is somewhere right in the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Those two would be on the outliers of guys that
sound like they do. One dude that's ready to, as
you said, Armand staple his own light.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
I think I've seen him staple as eyelid and then
he'll take any chance. And I'm like, the most cautious guy.

Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
I don't know Armands ever ran a yellow light in
his life. Too much, too much could go wrong. Yeah,
I mean, that's the thing we'll see. I'm not a
risk I'm more. I'm more.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
I wasn't ready, I wasn't prepared.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Yeah, I'm too averse to risk generally, Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
The best thing is the best thing is I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
I thought the joke ran like a fart in the
wind is completely away and luckily Arman just grabs that
thing and windmills it through.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
That was awesome and you watched it and you watched evone.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Yeah, you know, this guy survived everything, so he's got
to be feeling better and better about taking those Chances's like,
if I've already survived this long, you know, no, it's
too much could go wrong. I'm the kind of guy
you could probably convince to buy the insurance on a
rental car, like you know what I mean, like just
to be safe, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Oh yeah, and you're not getting reimbursed by the company.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
You know, you're just buying it yourself buying. You're there
at the at the rental counter and they got that
iPad thing and you're just like, yep, give it, give
it all the all the insurance. Yep, all of it. Sir.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Would you like to buy this UH care package for
two years that allows for repair, Well, it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
Is a phone charger.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
It's fifteen dollars and that's twelve I'm you know what, Yeah,
maybe maybe I will do it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:03):
I mean I will do I can say three buck Yeah.
The geek squad package.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Yeah, so get over the yellow life.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
I mean, you know you never you don't want to
take chances. See, this is what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
The higher ups are like, you know what, we need
armand sorry and to be have a microphone in front
of him for four hours because we can't stop the gold.
Now you put five hours in and you get that
gem right there, I do. Dude, you better watch out.
They're gonna have you on that board. They're gonna have
you talking into this microphone for twelve.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
Hours a day with jokes like that. And remember five
that's true. That's probably okay.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
We're gonna we're gonna do a hard reset here with
the culture. Barbarian on the Chief said TV YouTube chat
who says mac be, I don't think Dalton has a
Brad Hoover game in him. I don't think I'm in
New York. But like all the other old heads, I've
seen some stuff Brad Hoover. Does anyone remember the Brad
Hoover game down in Carolina? What an unfortunate night to

(01:11:57):
be a Green Bay Packers fans for that pull on culture.
Oh Hoover. He was like a fullback who ran all
over the pack Hover he was a Monday night game.
Oh that was that was a rough one. That was
a very very well.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
I might have been one with a crazy dude ran
onto the field in the middle of the play, between plays.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
It was November.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
It was November twenty seventh, two thousand. As the Packers
both teams ended the night at five and seven when
George Seafferts Carolina Panthers, uh yeah, ran with your boy
Hoover for twenty four totes. He ran all over the
pack Oh my goodness, he was just all over the

(01:12:41):
place on this game.

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
I just lost his stat line here momentarily. Sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Twenty four totes for a bucks seventeen and a touchdown.
Also three grabs for forty He had a fullback, he
had a fullback a purpose two thousand. What were you Doingle,
Biggs or whoever was put on my hand? What were
you doing? I want to know what you were doing?
And then you let this game slip right through your memory.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Man, probably for maybe if we were five and six,
because you said we went five yeah, ninety five and six.
I was already putting out of my memory. I don't know,
because we.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Were kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:13:12):
Exiting the nineties.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
I was in high school. We're exiting the glory of
the nineties, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Was like, oh, man, I will say, I'm pretty sure
that's the night where a dude ran onto the field
And they did show him momentarily because he went between
the lines, like he went between the offensive and defensive lines.
And Dennis Miller was in the booth that was the
mill and they hit a show close up of the
dude's face and he looked crazy whatever, and Dennis Miller goes,

(01:13:38):
oh my god, that's my agent. And it was like
there was bake lines ever out of Monday Night Football. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
I didn't realize until I got older, how weird the
pairing for Dennis Miller Monday Night Football was.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
But it was actually it was great.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
You go back, it's pretty funny you go back.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
And hear something that I loved it. Nothing, but he
was wonderful in the booth.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Nothing better than hearing Al Michael's talk about it where
he's like and then that happened.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
And they put that was the thing that happened.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
But listen still is better than Tony Kornheiser in the booth.
I mean, goodness, great, Yeah, we're not.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
Just fine on PTI, but in the booth is wrong.
He's yeah, you know what's great now that we're kind
of on the rails of announcers, JJ Watt is phenomenal
in the booth. I'm like, he's what eight games into
his booth career, as it were, he is phenomenal. And
he was fantastic down the stretch of this Ravens Bears

(01:14:31):
game on Sunday where Bears the other down by two
scores and they have like one drive to save their lives,
and they kept getting tackled in bounced, so the clock
kept running, and JJ, every time it happened, you just
got more and more exasperated.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
He's like, oh, this is a disaster.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Oh this is terrible. It's just so funny because he
was like it was an affront to him as a
football guy, like knowing there was a big play off
the right side, like just go out.

Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
Of bounds, Yeah, just take it, save the time, and.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Dude gets tackled in bounds and AJ was just beside himself.

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
And that's a defensive players.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
It's like, it was so good. It was so good.
He's been excellent.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
I don't know how you feel about it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Nags I think one of the reasons why is because
he took a deep breath, right, Like, there's so many
of these individuals that they rush out of the broadcast
boot camp, like I'm watching my man Mantai Teo on
a good morning football.

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
God bless him and his family. I don't know who
decided that that one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
That show should to continue when it was already completely
gutted and there's only one guy still left on the show.
But like right out of the gates, right out of
your NFL career, boom thrown on national television every single day.
He's into this stuff a little bit. CBS did a
good job of nurturing through JJ. He was on the
panel for six games, then ten games. Then he goes

(01:15:54):
on with McAfee and learns a little bit more fun
factor to have, and he's like three years out.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
Of all Now you can go and call games instead
of Drew Brees.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Hey, you just finished playing your last NFL game nine
months ago. We're gonna put you on Sunday Night Football
and try not to suck. Okay, Well, he was awful,
not surprising, and like Jason Winten, had to go back
and play football. So people remembered that he actually knew
what he was talking about because he was so bad
at broadcasting. Give these guys a chance and give him

(01:16:24):
a little bit of a little bit of guidance, a
little bit of nurturing.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
I'm with you. I think is phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Yeah, he's been outstanding. And the thing is is, like
he doesn't get the greatest matchups, he doesn't get the
greatest games because he's not obviously the A crew or whatever.
But he's so good on every game I've heard him
on so far. He's been phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
But luckily they put him, they put him with Iron,
so at least they weren't going to get a bunch
of Jaggs Panthers games.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
A professional.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
And the thing is, you work your way up on
those crews like you never know.

Speaker 4 (01:16:55):
You never know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
Also, if you're on a lower crew, what game he'll
call that'll be historic. I mean, I think true Falcons
the Brett Farvadive a County stadium that was a young,
like twenty four year old Joe Buck.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
You know what I mean, call that game on the
up and coming circuit there. Although I'm pretty I'm pretty
confident that a say Jonathan Vilma call is never gonna go,
you know, become a classic. Just that's just.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
Throwing out Jonathan Villman, Kenny Albert. That's a tough. That's
a tough scene now, Bill and.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
I like Benny. Kenny deserves so much more. I held
that easy.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
Do I insert the Mark Sanchez joke.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
No, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it.
We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna reset. We're gonna come
back on the flip side.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
I'm gonna go yell outside.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
We're gonna talk. We're gonna talk about how the Packers are.
Don't don't get it twisted, man, they are gonna boat
race the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
What's going at his place? Up?

Speaker 5 (01:17:51):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Is that? Is it acceptable for your texture? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
That is much much happier because you at least are
giving some respect.

Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
Oh, Race, put on the gas, all green, lights green.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
We're gonna step on that pedal from the get go. Baby,
it's happening. Oh, it's also happening as well. We're gonna
pay some bills for somebody that's Billy and Arman is
his Aaron on Carry the G radio talking about this
game on Sunday against the Panthers, and Mike Witt chiming
in because he can't help himself. He's got to end

(01:18:25):
on an e or note. Here we go. Mike says
they need to do something different on punt returns too,
either put save On back there or bring back Hardman.
He couldn't be any worse, could he? Lol? I mean,
I'm sorry, Can I take a stand here? I'd like
to declare something. I love Romeo Dobbs on punt return,
love him, Love Romeo Dobbs on punt return. And I

(01:18:48):
loved Shield's tweet the other night when he said it
looks like he can't remember if he's called for a
fair catch or not on every return, which I again,
I love it. Love what as a punt returner, I'm
all in.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
I also like seeing the Guardian cap on the field
at all times. That's why we knew, and we talked
about it on this radio program that the double bubble
line up.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
Was going to be an issue. And sure is shooting.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
There goes Romeo Dobbs and Save you On Williams lining
up on the same side. Orbit Motion runs Williams off
to the left side. He catches the first touchdown for
Ricky wide receiver in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
I need more double bubble, but I will say I
want And we talked about it a little bit yesterday
arm and I was like, how about this Romeo Dobbs
your punt returner for for here on out, because he
caught the football.

Speaker 4 (01:19:40):
It's a big part of it, and it does need
to be the most important part is the first part.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Just catch the football and dive forward for as many
yards as you possibly can. Looks like Romeo Dobbs has
a good inateability to Lamar Jackson does this at the
quarterback spot.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
He doesn't take a big hit rome even though he.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Has the concussion is I feel like a lot of
those have been on falls where he sadly hit the
back of his head go in and trying to high
point the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
He doesn't really get blown up a ton.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
Nope.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
So catch the ball, get down, get ready for offense,
and then twerk whenever you can.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
Like, those are good momms.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
He's done an outstanding job of putting his foot in
the ground and getting up field. Like, yes, there's always
a moment apparently where he's kind of sizing things up
he's literally at some of these returns, he just stands
there and it's like, which way should I go?

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
But damn.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Then he puts his foot in the ground and gets upfield,
which is exactly what you want. Get the yard as
you can, and then to your point, get down, get
ready for the offensive series. I'm done with that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
Last thing I'm gonna do is try to say that
he's Devin Hester. However, Devin Hester did an amazing job
of doing that exact thing.

Speaker 4 (01:20:48):
Names Where he would catch the ball, he'd.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Stand there and it was almost like when you were
playing football in the backyard with like your buddy's older
brother and their friends, and they'd be like, all right,
we're gonna give you three second head start, and he
just sits there and catches it. Waits, waits, waits till
you commit.

Speaker 4 (01:21:04):
Where you're going? All right?

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Sweet right there? Boom done, game over And like he's
just surgically eyeing up where he's going. Rome isn't doing that.
He is, though, for how I can get seven yards?
How about I catch this, get seven yards, get us
close to a first down, and then boom, I'll be fine,
and then I'm gonna go catch two more passes. That's
that's all you need. We've asked so many different times.
Let's just get some real competence on the special teams unit. Yeah,

(01:21:27):
that's a competent answer. At the punt return, catch the ball,
get down, get ready for off, and one in.

Speaker 4 (01:21:32):
Doubt, run north. I think there's something to be said there.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
You can try and hit a big one if if
you think you can, but one in doubt, run north
and get what you can.

Speaker 4 (01:21:41):
That's not a bad thing. Catching is the first important thing.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
And don't fair catch in the five, like you know,
the regular type of things like that, like the regular
type of Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
That's not a Packers thing specifically.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
I've noticed that rules changed in the in football, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
But yeah, like people catching the punt at the two
is like on the regular, Now, what what the hell
happened in the game? I love, man, people don't know
what the five and if it's over your head, let
it go.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
Should be simple, right, it shouldn't be simple. Yeah, I
think these cables are just too good now. I think
that's where that's where the thought is. Like the five
and the one are so vastly different on like the
seven in the one because it used to be I'm
not catching anything in Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Then it went to the five, and I think five
is probably the cutoff. And you do see guys being like, damn,
I'm at the one. Probably I should be. But I
think some of it's like these kickers are just so
damn good. They're We're just going to try to cause
ourselves as much.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
As nothing will ever ever top Trevor Davis fielding a
punt in the end zone in Chicago. That is an
all time moment.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
I was there, What do you think Trevor Davis is
doing it?

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
In my brain?

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
Do you think Trevor Davis is doing right now?

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Well, Trevor Davis, I remember what was sending videos to
the coaches like I can be your punt return one.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
So that was a big thing. I think there's an
aspect that we maybe there's so many rule changes, guys
just don't know what to do anymore. They get so confused.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
I think that's true on I think that's true on kickoffs.
Daveon got got again in this game on Sunday night
where ball bounces in the landing zone and then it
does roll into the end zone for a touchback, but
because it hit the landing Zone ball comes out for
the twenty instead of the thirty five, Like you can't
have those mistakes. That's those things are frustrating. But again,

(01:23:21):
Bunt returns Romeo Dobbs. I'm all in. I'm also all
in on culture barbarian A long time, she said TV
viewer and listener, saying, might I suggest Hammer in My
Heart by Utopia and Slipping Away by Dave Edmonds for
Bumper Music. Oh and and we danced by the Hooters.
I know my jams. I'm cultured. I gotta say, you
have a long history here, she said TV of bringing

(01:23:42):
out great musical suggestions. I think the Hooters suggestion is
on point here.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
That'll be the one I roll out with because that's
also the one I had. So that works out. Wow,
two songs that don't have.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
It here, so I gotta agree on it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
I gotta say now that Trevor Davis's name has gotten
brought up to the program, did anybody else remember in
April eighth of twenty eighteen, when he was arrested for
making a joke at a Hawaiian Airlines counter about attacking
an exploit I remember this, Holy cows, how are you
forget it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
I felt. I haven't forgotten I remember that specifically, of course,
and that I mean that's up there with you know,
I'm on vacation on July fourth, trying to enjoy my life,
and then you know Andrew Corlis has to go and
get in trouble on July fourth. Yes, and then now
I gotta work. But you don't forget these things. That's true, Yes, happened. Yeah,

(01:24:35):
in your life as a contentvor.

Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
Trevor, you can't make those jokes at the airport.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Come on, that's gotta be seared into the mind, especially
two weeks away from the draft.

Speaker 4 (01:24:43):
You got death wish if that's what you're thinking, like.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
I'm gonna I'm gonna make this kind of bad claim
at a wide receiver spot when I'm already mid Also,
it's a tough deal. Ruined his vacation, last one he had,
Probably that's not good way I'm as something he didn't
unless he was coming back.

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
I'm assuming that was the start of a he said
he was at lax Okay, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
He ruined his old vacation to why, I'm assuming that's
where he's flying.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Why i mean, speaking of possibly ruining something, let me
let me give you a list from Soda here of
partial list. A partial list of backup quarterbacks that have
beaten the Packers since twenty ten. Partial list here. Backup
quarterbacks that have led their team to victory against the
Green Bay Packers. Drew Stanton, Josh McCown, case, Keenum, Josh

(01:25:27):
Rosen a game, but Mike McCarthy fired Tommy DeVito. Yes,
I have been traumatized.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
Heks for that pain to leave the show with it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
Well, let's let's now. I do think Josh Rosen was
the uh even worse. I think he was the starting
quarterback for the team Cardinals.

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
That's the worst.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
We just played like a backup.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Your honor went to an NFC title game. All right,
Many people lost the case, Keenum. Many people lost.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
The case many, but okay some people did.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Yes, the other ones I got nothing for. I'd love
to be I'd love to be able to cover up
those other ones.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
But the Packers are kind of boat race the Panthers
on here.

Speaker 4 (01:26:10):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
It's about time somebody gives this team the respect they
damn well deserve.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
By the way, yeah, some people.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Are gonna forget about that or try to downplay it
because of a tie being in the.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Part of their team, said a Lions fan.

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Sorry, don't lose games. That's part of it. That's just
how it rolls. That is really really well done.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Incredible. Another great run here, or at least a good
one on my part. Great one from you guys. Let's
do it again next week after the Packers boat race
the Carolina Panthers, because that's what's gonna happen. That's Bill Schmid,
it's arm and Sorry, and it's Aaron Nagler. Thanks for
listening to carry the G Radio.