11/4/2025

Aaron, Billy & Armen review the Packers loss to Carolina and preview MNF's tilt vs. Philadelphia.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Carry the G Radio coming at you live on a
Tuesday morning, live from New York City, joined by Bill
Schmid and armand Sorry in there in the Greater Milwaukee
Metroplex for iHeart Geesehead TV. After what other way to
put it? An embarrassing loss to the Carolina Panthers. Billy Arman,

(00:24):
how are you this morning?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'm doing all right.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Carrying this G is gonna get a little bit heavy.
It's a little tougher this morning. Thirteen and a half
point favorites is something else. However, nags All is.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Not lost, far far far from it.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
I thought your gut reactions were put that exceptionally well
in nearly an hour as you went before, which was
phenomenal because it listened.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
There was a lot of takes to get off after a.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Frustrating what stuff to say after a frustrating game like that?
And we open up the talking text line on Packer's OT,
I'll be at a truncated version of it, and understandably so,
you don't live up to the x X, you don't
live up to the hype. But it's one of those
games that you can start you see this year and
a year out and people will be mad of why
do you fall into this trap? Well, year in and

(01:09):
year out, teams do it in the NFL. It is
an emotional grind for seventeen weeks and that was one
where it was a learning lesson that if you do
not bring your A game every single week and you
bring a D game, you're gonna get given that. And
then also hold an L on the way out a
monster el.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, big one. And it was just, you know, it's
just that's how I felt.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
I mean, but.

Speaker 5 (01:32):
You know, it's funny just to be honest, man, it
describes it. It's hard to you know, what it is.
And we've been kind of, you know, wallowing in the
despair of this loss. The forty hour last forty hours
Definitely I used that term again. It's one of those
situations where I didn't necessarily think we'd be five to
and one, well, because I don't expect to tie right

(01:54):
getting to this point, I didn't think the Packers have
only two losses, and if they did, I didn't think
they'd be to the Browns in the pan. And that's
why I think, more than anything frustrates Packer fans, right guys,
is that you feel like these are that you should
be able to take care of the ones you can
take care of. And if we can beat these other teams,
why can't we beat these teams?

Speaker 2 (02:13):
And that's the main frustration.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
And that gets to expectations, that gets into perception, and Billy,
I would just like to address the gentlemen speaking of
the talking text.

Speaker 6 (02:23):
Line who addressed us, tried to dress us down last
week for daring, daring to take the Panthers seriously, Oh no, Panthers.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Packers are gonna roll over the Panthers like not even
a consideration that the Panthers might come in here with
a plan and execute it and come out with a
w either way, speaking of perceptions, did you realize that
the Carolina Panthers and the Kansas City Chiefs have the
exact same record? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Something else? Huh m?

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Interesting? Right? There are no gimmes in the NFL, the none.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
And we also characterized teams differently nags and can't we
put the damning bad team label on teams?

Speaker 2 (03:12):
I think a little bit.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Too early, and understandably so, we are in a culture
that we want to know now what somebody is. We
want to know now that you are a warm plate
of cheeks when you come up to lambeau Field on
November two and we're wearing throwback jerseys, right.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
You want to know we want to be home.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, you want it to be a homecoming game.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
However, they had won four games, and they were four
and three before their starting quarterback went out, right, and
then they played a Buffalo team that's a wagon and
got run over at home.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Understandably, so again, teams do it.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
But there I started to look at it a lot
of different There's a lot of ways in different correlations
and games that you can point to and say, like, oh,
it's like this game, it's like that one. Well, Kansas City,
the aforementioned Kansas Chiefs is twenty twenty three. Because somebody
called us out right away on Packers, Rotiz followed it
up the next morning, saying, you cannot win a Super
Bowl if you're gonna lose a game like that.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
We would absolutely counter that.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Within twenty twenty three, the Chiefs were fourteen point favorites
at home on Christmas and lost to the seven and
eight Raiders as fourteen point favorites, and then went on
and didn't lose for the next month and a half
and won the title.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
You can absolutely do it.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
However, you have to realize that sometimes if a team
does execute exactly the way they want to play and
you get sucked into that game. That's exactly how the
Packers did. They got baited in and sucked into the
exact game Carolina wanted to play. May you can be
right for the taking if you're as complicit as the

(04:38):
Packers were on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
And they certainly were. That was kind of evident from
the first snap. Really, just as far as, like, you know,
it's such a hard thing to pinpoint because there's no metric,
there's no you know, quantifiable angle you can take here.
But man, it was very clear the Panthers came to hit,
the Panthers came to play. The Packers didn't look like

(05:02):
they got out of bed, you know. And it was
interesting because I didn't really hear Matt address that either
in the post game or on Monday, where in the
past he's acknowledged it. I remember there was a game
very specifically, I believe it was against the Jaguars back
in twenty twenty, I want to say, or maybe twenty one,
where one of the first things he said at the
podium was, yeah, we came out flat and it felt

(05:23):
like they came out flat in this game. And look,
you talk about trap games whatever, you don't want to
admit to it, but man, you're coming off the high
of the big game in Pittsburgh. You're looking forward, it's
human nature, to a big matchup next Monday night against
the Eagles, and yeah, you got this nooner, this, you know,

(05:43):
nooner at Lambeau.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
They came out flat.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
And even despite that, they had a chance to win
the game.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
And this is where it gets frustrating because.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Even on there, let's call it a C plus level game, right,
if you want to be the team that makes this
run it gets to a championship, that's the kind of
game you figure out how to win, you know, and
to watch them just I'm not gonna say fall apart,
because I do think they've buttoned up in the second half,

(06:13):
especially on defense, but to come up short that is
beyond frustrating both.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
You know, obviously for the team, but for the fan base.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
That is like sitting here thinking, all right, we haven't
played a great game. But this is a team that
has so much talent and so much promise, they're gonna
find a way to win this and then they don't.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Well, that is beyond frustrating.

Speaker 5 (06:35):
And every every group was complicit, right guys, I think
that's the other thing.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
You know.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
You know, you had the fumble by Savian Williams. You
had the lack of production in the red zone by
the entire offense.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
Problem, right.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
Defense couldn't get off the field enough, couldn't stop the
run enough, even though they held a relatively low number
of points, couldn't even pressure Bryce Young when accounted, and
then obviously look again on special teams missing missing a
field goal again, really really a big field goal there
by McManus, A struggle there and coaching. I mean the
fourth and eight was a very questionable decision. So every

(07:09):
facet was complicit too.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
I mean that was in that sense a complete loss.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yes, there ain't no one thing like from having McManus up,
even though he's buy your own admission, struggling with something,
battling them, going through something injury wise, and missing kicks,
whether it's I guess, just a complete melt down in
the red zone time and time again. Whether it is

(07:35):
play calling, whether it is execution, all of it contributed.
Whether it was like even the roster construction as far
as having Brinson down and only going with four defensive
tackles and then losing a guy in the middle of
the game, and then you're really undermanned and they're running
all over you. You can't get a stop. You know,
it's there are so many contributing factors. I get it

(07:59):
is a week where you're gonna hear a lot about
la Floor and rightfully so, he should catch all sorts
of hell this week without question. But I'm telling you
right now, Billy, I expect them to look exponentially better
on Monday night.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, that is gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
And I just think it's funny how different we can
say how different a week makes, and that is the
Jordan Love conversation, how different we are k later, but
like how different a year is?

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Last year it was Listen, I get it.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
You can beat up on all these other teams, but
you're not facing the Colts in the playoffs. You're gonna
face the Eagles, the Lions, and the Vikings. Well now,
they haven't gotten a chance to play a couple of those,
and they will here in the back half of the season,
and you're gonna know a lot in exactly what you
want to know about a team going into the back
half of the season, out of all the games that
the Packers are about to line up and play. But

(08:50):
last year in Eggs, I'm old enough to remember people saying, well,
they only they only beat bad teams.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
They can't beat good teams.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
This year, they've beaten the better teams on their schedule,
including Detroit in Week one, but haven't looked great against
the teams that you feel like you're inferior to. And
I think the point you made a moment ago is
is the most important in how you learn to win
in the league. You learn how to get yourself out
of a bunch of adverse positions. You learn how to

(09:15):
win games when your field goal kicker seems like he
can't put something through the uprights. I also thought that,
you know, Matt kind of poo pooted a little bit
like the win didn't have anything to do with our
decision on the fourth and eight. Well, when you're seeing
the goalpost legitimately rattling, I don't know how it doesn't
like when they wind up to kick the extra point, Nags.
We're talking in the in the press box, and I

(09:37):
think I'm going for two, Like.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
I think I'm going for two. I don't want to
deal with.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah, and whatever, the quadricep tissue is gonna, you know,
bite you at the bad time.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
So there was a lot to it.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
It was all phases in a shutdown, in a meltdown.
But it does leave you too. And to your point
about Matt, he should catch the normal amount of hell
you get when you lose a home game as a
multiple score favorite.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yes, but then one of the Essentially, I think I
read the first worst loss for the Packers as favorite
since the merger.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
I mean, which is which is really hard to believe
because I'm old enough to remember ninety seven against the Colts.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, there's no doubt, there's no way.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
We were even.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
So I really had to look twice when I saw that,
just to let you guys know. I didn't go back
and watch every one of those games yet. But I mean,
I'm gonna be.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
You're on your way, tell me there was no other
game eleven am cannot get here soon?

Speaker 5 (10:34):
I mean, brother, I mean what I mean? You remember
that Colts game? We weren't fourteen point favorites of that game.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
I mean, Okay, here's the thing though.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
You start talking about the Colts game like that iteration
of the Packers and people start rolling their eyes like
old man whatever, blah blah blah. That's me, which I understand.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
I get.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
I always to try and keep it somewhat recent, right,
I always go back to the Detroit game in Detroit
where Rogers goes down at the end of the first
half concussion.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
He misses the next week in New England.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Et cetera.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
They didn't score a point in that first half and
end up losing that game in Detroit late in the season.
I will never forget Packers fandom burning the internet down.
Fire Mike McCarthy, Fire Mike McCarthy, this is the worst
it's ever gonna get. Blah blah blah blah blah. And
I was leaning that way too, I will admit I

(11:24):
was like, this is beyond frustrating, et cetera. And God
bless him forever. Greg Badard, who now covers the Patriots,
used to be on the Packers beat. He had he
you know, he reached out and we had a talk
and he was like, look, I know you're frustrated, and
I know this is like the bottom of the barrel.
Feeling wise right, but there's a lot of it doesn't
feel like it, but there's a lot of football left

(11:46):
to be played, and that just it reset my expectations
and reset my kind of viewpoint as far as the
season goes, right, Like, I get that it's frustrating in
the moment, but man, that's why after this game. I
get it, you're frustrated. It's awful, but man, there's still
a lot of football left to be played. Nine more
games to go. The story of the Green Bay Packers

(12:08):
is not written on November second point, you know. So
as frustrating as it is, Billy, you talked about learning lessons.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
I hope they learned from this game.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
I do get Packers fans maybe being a bit frustrated
that seemingly, yeah, this team needs to keep learning the
same lessons over and over and over again. That's where
you start to get a little young eyebrow raised, like, well,
what is this gonna kick in?

Speaker 2 (12:36):
But I think that that's the other part of it.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
We are the same, right, Like the Packers fans are
the same, but the twenty twenty three Packers are not
the same twenty twenty five packers. And like then I
thought of the trip to New York, after the emotional
game of beating Detroit, beating Kansas City and then get
de vetoed like there's different times of handling the success,
in handling the clippings well, and that's fantastic, Yeah, And

(13:00):
I think that was another part of it, Nags where listen,
you have twenty consecutive completions, You have people saying, how
on earth are you not in the top five MVP candidacy,
You have a lot of press clippings come and saying, hey, man,
Tucker Crab might be an all pro over here. And
the emotional letdown of that I think also contributed to
not being able to put things together into the fourth quarter.

(13:21):
But it's not the reason why they lost the game.
But handling success, handling failure. We've talked about it numerous times.
This is just another example of man team showed you
need some more maturity in those moments. You need to
be able to handle the success as well as the failure.
And I think they'll be better for it. But I
totally get the frustration. I totally do. But I will

(13:43):
say that the best way that this team gets through
it is by not burning everything that they've put together
to the ground right now. It's supplemented in getting incrementally
better at what they've already done.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Because they're a damn good football.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Team, they have a lot teams to beat them in
stretches and then allow themselves to ultimately beat them. In
the two losses that they've had, the Packers are their
worst opponent in the two losses.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Hey, we talked.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
About this all last week, Yeah, we did. We talked
about the fact that if they play a clean game Carolina,
you know it's it's going to be a two score victory.
But they didn't play a clean game at any level
on any point, like as far as obviously you're opening
drive ending in a fumble where you're taking points off
the board there, but then penalties negative plays. It's just

(14:34):
the way they continuously shoot themselves in the foot. And
that's what I'm talking about when I say, when are
these lessons gonna start sinking in?

Speaker 4 (14:42):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (14:43):
And look, that includes the play caller. I know everyone
wants to go after a matter for play calling, that
is a very tough assignment without knowing the analytics behind
certain things, what looks they have, et cetera. But man,
the amount of horizontal stuff going on, especially in the
red zone. I think team know what to expect. How
many times have we seen that run solution that they

(15:06):
like to run and or some kind of wide receiver
screen where you have a defensive back triggering the moment
they see Jordan Love rise and turn like they're not
even waiting, they're not even hesitating. That is now three
times on the season where they've had to play like
that completely blown up because the defensive back barrels through

(15:26):
the attempted block of whoever's out there. So at some point,
I gotta think Matt starts playing off of that, right.
I don't know when that's gonna arrive. Yeah, but at
some point you think, okay, wait, I think they're onto us.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
Yeah, that's his challenge. He's gotta figure out how to
those puzzles. He's got to try and figure out how
unlock those keys in the red zone. Because what made
this game and billion and I we've talked about it.
What made this game weird too, is that they weren't
totally devoid of success on offense. They ramped up a
bunch of yards even on the first drive. They were
moving the ball they've got twenty first downs. A they
didn't punt this game, so there were a lot of

(16:02):
things that were run.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
The opposing quarterback threw for one hundred yards and they lost.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
That's the thing.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
There was a lot of things you did right that
you should be able to win this game. You do
all this work, you put yourself in position, you know,
you can't let a game like that get away because
of what you're doing mistake wise, because of what your
own shortcomings are.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
So that's a good point by you.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
And then they turn around and have to deal with
this Tucker Craft injury.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
I mean, what a blow. Billy has said it earlier.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
I mean, he was superstar in waiting, right, especially after
that game in Pittsburgh where he i mean national stage
really kind of kind of arrives, almost as far as
in the national consciousness of oh the Packers got a
real star in the making here, and then see him
go down on a play where he's it's legit friendly fire,
you know, another his teammate getting taken out, which legal play,

(16:50):
I'm not you know, you know, casting his spursions in
the Panthers totally legal play. But to lose him like
that is beyond frustrating and now Matt Lafleur's got a
bit of a challenge in his hands as far as manufacturing.
I would think something in the passing game for Luke Musgrave,
who you know, we've talked about this billy, We were
out there this summer. He had a great camp, Yeah,

(17:12):
phenomenal training camp, but he's gotten very little opportunity so far.
Here's hoping he can pick up where he left off
out there at Raynisky Field.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
And also I think it comes to hoping in something
that I saw you and a number of other Packers
fans kind of calling for. It is as much short
and quick passing game as possible. That's where Luke Musgrave
is gonna thrive. You're not going to thrive with Musgrave
out there as much as your feature tight end in
trying to run the ball as much as I know
they want to, and as they're better at when Aaron
Banks is on the field as well, and I think

(17:44):
we're definitely seeing that that they're much better being able
to run it when sixty five's on the field. And
this is like the seventh injury for my man, so
like it's got nine snaps.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
He lasted nine snaps this game. And what sucks is
that he had been putting together yes easton string of games,
but he can't stay on the field.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
No and nags. The crazy thing is it's a different
one every time like that.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
That's the part that's really really frustrating, where it's not
a lingering issue that happens with one knee or one groin.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, at one point you had both groins were hurt.
That's tough.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
I that's tough.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, if you don't, if you don't laugh, it's just
sad and like so, it's a it's a brutal spot
in a brutal year that he's found himself in. But
they're a much better offense when he's out there, and
they're such a better offense and a much more explosive
when we've talked about when Watson's on the field, but
when Craft is on the field, it was becoming baked
in that he was their number one third down target,

(18:36):
He was their number one red zone target, and I
can't help but think some of the struggles in the
red zone contribute had something to do with him not
being on the field. But then he also wasn't on
the field for the first two and those might have
been the most egregious. That ended with the saving on
Williams fumble and the one that was a fumbled snap sack,
false start drop fourth and twenty three kick a field.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
That's brutal stuff.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Nags unb believable, but you know what, you flush it,
you move on, you get ready for the Eagles. But
before that, Billy, you know we got it's trade deadline day.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
We know that the is gonna be very act. I'm sorry,
what there's some trade deadline?

Speaker 2 (19:21):
I thought that was next week.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
I felt God, bless McCarthy.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
I'm so glad you fired that clip out first because
you know everybody was going to but nobody could beat
Aaron Nagler on it because I got to assume you
had that thing.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
You know, potentially every year it's a already scheduled.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
You got Mike McCarthy talking about the trade deadline being
next week when it was today.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Absolutely love, I thought it was next week.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
We're just getting started here on Carry the G Radio,
Bill Armin and Aaron coming to you each and every
week talking about the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 7 (19:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yeah, it was a tough loss, but looking ahead, big
matchup with the Eagle. We got trade deadline stuff to discuss.
All that and more coming on the flip side here
on Carry the G Radio.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
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Speaker 5 (20:49):
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Speaker 2 (20:52):
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Speaker 2 (21:01):
Would Packer fans do that to Aaron Jones?

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Hell no, we was just back last year and they
embraced him with open arms.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
Now Brett was a different deal. I'd admit, different situation,
different situation. You just want nothing to ever get that
to that point. We don't want anything to get that
contentious where there'd be a certain individual who last night
was talking into a microphone for three plus minutes about
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Speaker 2 (21:24):
I just don't want to.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
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Speaker 2 (21:31):
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Speaker 4 (21:33):
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It's incredible to watch a guy go from a career
high three sack game to being virtually invisible. I mean, look,
I understand a lot of this, and I mean most
of it had to do with the Panthers approach the

(23:08):
fact that they were running the ball, they were buckling
it up. They didn't have many troop dropbacks per se.
Micah himself pointing that out after the game. The man
you talk, what is that? What it takes is that?
It is that how you take this man out of
the game. I mean, the Panthers did what we've kind
of expected lots of different teams to try to do.

(23:28):
And I guess the Steelers somewhat did that early before
they have the injury to their guard when they were
going the heavy personnel, et cetera.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
But man, that's it.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
You talk about the blueprint, that's how you take Micah
Parsons out of a game.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Well, and maybe that was exactly what Jerry Jones had
in mind when he said, you know, we're trying to
stop the run, staying the hunt. Yeah that I've seen
teams taking.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Other training for linebackers from Cincinnati. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Well, listen, you go to a top flight defense, right,
you see a time where like you can if if
you can follow the script according to plan, you can
neutralize a star pass rusher, especially one that the undersize
is the wrong way of putting it. But his stature
is different than a Miles Garrett or everybody always brings

(24:13):
up the Reggie White Moniker. He's not two hundred ninety pounds, right,
nobody is anymore at that spot so like you can't
you can at some point do a little something to
neutralize the effectiveness because the amount of times that they
were running the ball right at him, there's a thought
that I'm just I'm not gonna be able to get
into my pass rush fit because we're not leading. That's

(24:35):
another part of when you have a star pass rush,
you need to lead the football game at some particular point.
That you never did that to allow them to get
in obvious passing situations. And this was the other part
that I thought was really really important. And I think
you were the one that called it out, and I
apologize if you were, and I was not spot on
and right away onto it because it was a really
really good point. They and Canalis made it clear and

(24:58):
obvious from the first series playing four downs.

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Tonight, four down football, we're playing.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
We're playing four down football and you have to play.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yes, they got off the bus, and as Greg Olsen
pointed out on the broadcast, they have had even going
into that game, gone for it on fourth down more
than any other team.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
That's his style of play. That's that's the way that
Canalis is trying to play with a young team, and
they use that game Nags as a launching pad for
their program, and like I brought it up for the
Detroit situation where you can look at where the matchup
is on different prisms. That was hold on, We're on Fox,
Greg Olsen's on the call. We're going to lambeau Field.

(25:38):
We're thirteen point underdogs. We know that they're gonna be
at least potentially a little sleepy. They're bringing their homecoming
uniforms out, and we're gonna make a statement with our
guy back.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
And they took it personally, and that's.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
A dangerous thing to then breathe more life into a
sideline that already in the second quarter was out onto
the playing surface, pumping each other up and third down stops. Like,
it was clear that that game meant a lot to
that spot, into that team, into that organization, as hey man,
we're playing at a different level now, we're playing different
caliber opponents, and we're not gonna be the role out

(26:12):
of the Helmets game.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
No we're not.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
And I will say to your point about the kind
of team.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Vibe, right, what I saw from the Carolina Panthers defense
on Sunday was what we had seen from the Packers
defense the first couple of weeks as far as all
hats flying to the ball, a real physical brand of football,
and no off switch. We saw a ton of occasions
in this game where Okay, the ball gets outside or

(26:38):
doubt it breaks a tackle or two, and guys are
you know, I don't want to use the word quitting,
but they're letting up. Didn't see that first couple games, hell,
first month of the season, really, but man, there were
a number of occasions where guys, I mean, I don't
You don't have to look much further than the sack
fumble that McKinney creates. Guys quit. They're not even going

(27:01):
after the ball when it's a fumble. I know, I
get they think, oh, it's an incomplete pass, but you
are told on defense the ball's on the ground, get it,
grab it.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
You never know, and.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Guys are just standing around kay Walker, let the guy
walk run right by him.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
It's that mentality was evident on the Carolina Panthers sideline,
and it was absent on the Green Baying Packers defense.
And that was concerning to me, like that, it has
to be a hallmark.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
And you can't be about it.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Some days it can't be as the great Vince Lombardi
would say, it can't be a thing.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
It's got to be all the time, because it was
there against Detroit and Washington that it was.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
And then Arman, I think the other part of it
is and Naggs we saw it right away. You get
a turnover early and instantly. All right, it's gonna incentivize
us a little bit more. But you get that turnover
because there's five hats on the football and J. C.
Horn punches it out and it legitimately lands on Hollrooy's chest.
So like when you are swarming to the football, you'll

(28:02):
get more opportunities to And that's that's been something that
we saw so much during training camp that has not
translated to the first two months of the year, was
that in we've seen them be swarming. We've seen them
get hats to the ball. We didn't this past weekend,
but we have not seen them be able to arrive
with a punch and consistently knock the football out and

(28:25):
dislodge it. And four turnovers, I mean, like the McKinney stripsack,
Like you're saying that's the first one they had all year, right, yep.
And and that's that's what you're getting where they're going
to gain five yards. The ball was bouncing away from
them on.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
That's fumble luck, right, I mean, that's just fumble luck.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
When you're throwing the ball that way, fumbling it towards
their sideline, you're not giving yourself any assistance, like you're saying.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
No, no, but like help yourself, you know, like give
yourself a chance attack the ball. And the McKinney thing
is interesting because he was down in kind of the box,
so to speak, way more in this game than he
has been at any point this season.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
Yet Panthers were able to run.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
All over the Packers like it didn't matter how many
guys they had in the box.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
They had.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Their Dawdle in particular was very impressive.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
Really good.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
The number of kind of snaps where they have good
initial kind of hats on the ball. They got guys
in the basically in the gap that he's trying to
run through, and he just runs through arm tackles and
he runs through contact where if they just make the
stop where they hit him, it's a two yard game.

(29:36):
But he turned almost not every single one, but almost
every one of those into a five or more yard game,
which is where the Panthers wanted to live. That was
their whole game plan, and the Packers, for whatever reason,
were just unable to get the guy on the ground
when they absolutely needed to.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
And that, to me, that's the entire story of this game.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
You know, you can talk about Jordan Love, talk about
red zone, you can go Matt Lafleur, all that stuff,
but man, if you just tackle you get this dude
on the ground, where you get the Panthers behind the sticks.
You're talking about Micah Parsons and the inability to get
after the quarterback because there are no real opportunities. It's
because they lived in second and three, second and four,
you started living in second and eight.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
That's a whole story of the world. Also a whole
other story. You know.

Speaker 5 (30:24):
Also felt like sorry next, also felt like he Rico
O'Donnell had an incredible patience.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
You know, it's a good example of why you you
have to.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
Continue to flow to the football because you had his
gaps plugged up early on a lot of these runs.
But he was able to kind of give that patience
and then boom.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Absolutely yeah, and it's not gonna get any easier. Got
Monday night, we got Sakuon Barkley coming to.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Town, who's just sitting there, just.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Off a bye week, by the way.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Licking their chops.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Now it is also and I want to get into
this one coming up because the more of a listen,
Squon's watching that game. Sam All due respect to Rico
Donda and his family, right, but he's reached with Donald
on Saquon Barkley. Derek Brown did some stuff that you
should not be able to do, and that Baldy's breakdown

(31:18):
was more than a little bit concerning.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
And Jalen Carter's watching that.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Saying he's not gonna be spitting on anybody this week
because he's not gonna let it let himself lose any
opportunities to feast on what this Interior Packers offensive line
is giving up because they're gonna have Jalen Carter and
Jordan Davis staring at them this weekend.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
And uh, it's not gonna get any easier to run
the foot.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
You're ready for.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
More horizontal passing.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Getting that ball out of Jordan' Sand's post haste very quickly.
That's what it's gonna. That's what it's gonna because I
don't imagine they're gonna make much hay between the tackles
and the run game.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
No, especially sixty five out, and I mean, we'll talk
more about it. We got a lot more time for it.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
But they do some injuries they're gonna be dealing with,
no doubt they're not on the other side. Not great,
not great, not great. But there were some other positive
injury news that we'll get to on the flip. Gotta
pay some bills. That's Billy and Arman. I'm Aaron.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Talk to you soon here.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
On Kirie the g Radio the Eagles on Monday night,
and I want to give Vin ve a shout out
on the Cheesehead TV YouTube channel. This loss was embarrassing
for sure, but look around the league. Vikings over Lions,
Cardinals over Cowboys, Steelers over Colts. Sometimes you need a swift,
swift kick in the ass as a reality check.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
I like it, I'll take it.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
I'll take it.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
And yeah, it was a somewhat surprising set of results
around the NFL this weekend, no question about it. And
it drives home what we were talking about earlier. You know,
cannot cannot take any of these opportunities for granted, or
any of these teams, for granted, because man, they'll they'll
they'll jump up and bite you real quick. And that's
what happened to the Packers on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
And listen, there was a duck call a couple of
weeks ago. They called Packers oti and said, I just
wish we could dominate. Why can we dominate like like
the Detroit Lions, who have since lost twice, in one
of which as also a two score favorite at home. Now, granted,
that's a divisional game, a more common opponent than an
uncommon opponent. They definitely forecastable that you would drop this game.

(33:20):
But you're spot on all of the games in the
NFL this weekend. Of the top seeds in football, the
ones that didn't lose were the ones that were on by,
and that was Tampa and Tampa as well as Philadelphia.
And you know, Buffalo got themselves a big win. They
desperately needed one.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
But you mentioned it.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
This Carolina team's got the exact same record as the
Kansas City Chiefs, who are odds on favorites going into
the week to win the Super Bowl. So you don't
know a whole hell of a lot quite yet about
the NFL and I think we're learning nags that year
in and year out. It's getting further into the year
that we learn about the teams, if that makes sense, right.

(33:58):
How little we play in pre season, how little you
can actually practice. And this is the part of the
offensive line that I'm struggling with.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Get into it. Let's get into it.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
You need time together, in time on task to actually
know who's good or who's bad.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
I get that. We all see my man Alton Jenkins
looking having the hands up.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Saying supposed to be here, where are we supposed to
be at? Not get a whole lot of help around them.
But we also have played with so many different combinations
that it's hard to say, well, let them get some
consistency together because we don't know if that's ultimately gonna.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Happen yet probably not. That's the upsetting part. And look,
you can quibble with the usage of the personnel. I
did kind of scratch my head when they you know,
Banks does go down and they put in Ryan at
left guard because Jordan Morgan has started at right guard.
But Jordan Morgan has played exponentially better on the left
side of the ball, So why Ryan didn't go into

(34:53):
right guard? And kick Morgan over the left guard. I'll
never know. They've forgot more football than I'll ever know.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
You and I both Brian, thank you.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Fine, that's your decision, right, But man, you're talking about
Elton Jenkins. Look, there are nine games to go, but
through this first swath of the schedule, Elton has been
and I think it's more than fair to say a
bit of a disappointment there at center, especially given how
you know he had played at left guard for you,

(35:22):
and we talk about his versatility and all of this,
and so he plays all over the line and that's great,
but man, the level you've gotten at center, I'm gonna
say it's, you know, Josh Myers esque, but it's not
much better than Josh. It's a little better than Josh Myers,
but you were thinking it was going to be exponentially
better and that has certainly not occurred.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
Now.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Some of it, to your point, is the revolving doors
around him.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
I do not.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Dismiss that, but man, if they want to do what
they want to do, and I've given up hoping that
Lafleur changes his approach, I don't think it's ever going
to be what I or any other fan want it
to be offensively.

Speaker 4 (36:00):
Hm Mattle floor is going to continue.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
To try and run the ball, especially in early downs
between the tackles out of the shotgun, which is the
thing that really drives me insane. And I know why
he's doing it, because he wants to run solutions open
for his quarterback.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Like I get it.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
But the only way any of that is ever gonna
work is of Elton and whoever's next to him play
better down the stretch here because if not Siya season over.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Well in Orlowski put it very very well yesterday on
the MacFee Shows, like it's the number one thing that's
going to keep them from the team's success because you're
gonna have to block the Eagles and potentially the forty
nine ers. I mean, they're as dinged up as anybody
up front, but Seattle is Look look at the way
Seattle's getting after people, and Leonard Williams in the middle

(36:47):
is gonna be the biggest problem for that.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
I think of the Rams and they're front four.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Is brutal, and it's it's the interior of the line
that that is really really hurting them.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
And also Nags.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
I think the combination of because I think Elton's a
really really good player, and I do think this, and
I do think he could be potentially better at guard.
And this is the this is the tough, uh you know,
balancing act in comparison that you do when you bring
in free agents. And Drew Dolman goes to the Bears

(37:19):
at three years and thirty nine million, and he's the number,
unanimously the number one center available and it's four years,
seventy seventy seven million is the eyeshock number thirty five
million guaranteed for Aaron Banks to play guard, Then you're
a move your guard, maybe your best offense and most
consistent offensive lineman to center, which again not eight years

(37:42):
ago when he came out.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Was maybe his best position. Yeah that was eight years ago.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
So like there does become a how far have we come?
And how far have we been since? Playing center year
and a year out and play in and play it out,
So like there's asking guys to make moves that in
hindsight might not have been the best thing. But I also,
in hindsight thought Josh Myers was gonna get paid a
lot more than three million bucks to be a backup somewhere,
So I guess I'm just I'm trying to figure out

(38:10):
exactly where the where my line is on assessing value.
But you got he's got to have some help from
the two guys around him. Nags to get the best
version of himself at Center. But I don't know that
he's gonna get that because Banks is the best guy.
And I don't know that he's gonna be able to
play more than you know, six quarters without having.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
To go out.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
I just hate to say it that way, but my
man's got Every single time he's out there.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
All you can talk about is what's happened and occurred
on the tape, and that's what's happened. Right like, he
does continuously get dinged up, And someone in the chat
mentioned it earlier, and I get it. I get this frustration.
It's not like he was a beacon of health in
San Francisco. It's fair, Yes, before you signed him, and
then day one you hand him the bag. Yeah, and

(38:58):
now you're dealing with the same thing that dealt with
in San Francisco. He's banged up all the time, so
that frustration is very real. But despite all of this,
let's say that they play top level. Suddenly they find
their cohesion and they're great and they're killing it. All
three dudes, whoever those three dudes are, are phenomenal. Carolina

(39:19):
is still exposed some that the teams are gonna, you
can bet talk about a copycat league. This tape is
going to be all over the cutups for every Packer's
opponent going forward, as far as Jordan Love up to
the line of scrimmage getting out of that huddle a
little late. Also, Matt, let's get those plays quicker. So

(39:39):
getting up to the line of scrimmage with like twelve
maybe ten seconds left, seeing what's presented, Carolina does a
great job of holding their shell, not tipping their hand.
Jordan makes a call or to just protection, calls the
mic whatever last second, and now there's one second on
the play clock. Elton snapping the ball and doing whatever

(40:00):
his assignment is going getting a defensive tackle on one
side or the other. And then Carolina just shot a
linebacker through the a gap, not showing it pre snap,
but knowing they don't have time to change their protection
because they've already said it in the play clocks down.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
To one second.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
They caught them three times with this mm hmm. Man,
you can bet Vic Fangio is going, oh, that's interesting,
Like they have got to get that short up because
that was, I mean, almost a disaster twice. And they
you know, Jordan did a good job of getting the
ball out of his hands on the attempted screen to
Josh Jacobs.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
But man, that's something.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
That teams are going to expose if the packers continue
to operate that same way.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yeah, and that's two situations in which you know, multiple
people have hit us up in the talking text line like,
well there's two plays. I'm seeing a guy run right
past Allen Jenky's not touching anybody. Well, listen that that's
as much on everybody around the guy that's going to
take the snap. It's the operation, and in the two
games they've lost, we've had questions about the operation and
the pacing of it. And as much as the quote

(41:05):
unquote his seems not ready to play, I think that's
the criticism that I would have. The most of the
floor is in those positions, control your controllable. Let's get
that play in as soon as possible. We need to
get the operation sped up, and that's what you can
control is how quickly the guys get in and out
of the huddle because it's as quickly as Jordan gets the.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Call, especially if you want to operate on offense with
the multi personnel, lots of different formations, lots of different
guys in different spots. Okay, that makes it even more
important for you get that call in as quick as
possible so that the position guys can say, okay, I
need X, y Z as far as the best tight
end in that wide receiver, et cetera. That's the whole

(41:44):
thing's got a problem. Way more up tempo on the sideline,
or hey, maybe give Jordan Love the keys and let
them operate from no huddle.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
I'm mean on that too. I'm fine with that.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Let's start thinking what is actually gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
I was just gonna say, let's come back from Lava
that I hear the music. We're rapidly approaching the end
of the first hour. What we haven't even talked about
the heart stopping play of the week yet. Way we'll
be doing that on the flip side. That's Billy and
armand I'm Aaron on Carry the G Radio.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Carry the G Radio Hour two.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Coming at you, Bill Schmid, armand sorry and in the
greater Milwaukee metro Plex. There, iHeart holding it down. Green
Bay Packers coming off a very and I mean very
underlying italicized, very disappointing loss to the Carolina Panthers. Have
to flush it, gotta get right and gotta get ready
for a monster showdown with the Philadelphia Eagles on Monday

(42:39):
Night football there at lambeau Field. There you go, flush
it away, Just flush it away, That's what I'm talking about.
Do it like it's all gone, it's all done.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
Armon.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
You know you got the sound effect, might as well
use them right, No timeouse, don't come with you. I'm
not I'm not leaving anything in the bag. Okay, Field, Baby,
was a little lot.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
I gotta bring that down a little bit. On the
flush that was in intense flush.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
That was the one where you go to the office
building and you go and sit down for a couple
of seconds because you really are just trying to check
your phone and kill some time before the meeting that
you showed up twenty minutes earlier, and all of a
sudden you hit the WHOA automated flush caught me on
that one.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Geez, Louise, that was quick.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
I gotta flush it, gotta flush it. You know, look,
I don't want to I don't want to beat around
the bush here. I want to talk about Jordan Love
and I want to talk about the interception and then
the fourth and eight decision slash throw. There's a lot
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Check out stadacare dot org for more, and then check
out this picture. Like look at Jordan Love there right,
He's got a Carolina panther in his face. He's about
to throw the ball and this could be glory or
it could be disaster. And this was you know, one
of the things that going back and watching the game

(44:11):
really kind of highlighted for me is when he makes
the kind of throw to Watson which is caught and
everyone's celebrating and it's amazing. The decision there is almost
you know, not as bad, but it's it's not like
Watson is screaming open on that first one. You know, obviously,

(44:32):
back to back he had the one, the golden that
you know is incomplete, and then he come back and
go deep. Yet once again, it's not like he's screaming
open into wide open swaths of green grass there at Lambeufield,
like there are a couple of defenders in the area,
but it is an understandable risk that he's taking there,
Like I get what he sees. He he thinks Watson's

(44:55):
gonna have the angle there on the defender and get
past him, which he does and to the safety and
he makes the play right like amazing, We all cheer.
Then you get to the interception. The sin here is
that there is no reading of anything. There is just
a predetermination. And you can also maybe potentially fault Lafleur

(45:17):
here because he's calling an obvious shot play like the
way the offensive line sets up, they have the guy
come over, basically essentially like the old school personal protector
like McCarthy used to use with Rogers. They are calling
a shot play against a team that has played too
high shell ninety percent of that game. There were precious

(45:38):
few looks that weren't into too high shell, and Lafleur,
I guess it's trying to jump start something blah blah
blah blah. But you can tell Jordan Love has completely
predetermined I am throwing this yeah, no matter what, even
though it probably has a chance at Dobbs on the
incut deeper underneath Watson, but down the field, or he's

(46:01):
got to release valve and the tight end out there
to his right. None of that seemingly even enters his mind.
I'm chucking it for Jesus. Like I do, think that's
a symbiotic relationship between the play caller and the quarterback.
Both of them got way too impatient on that play,
and it cost the Packers because not only did it

(46:21):
cost them a possession, but the return on the interception
sets up the Panthers on a short field and they
score off of it. You know, this is a team
that is going to face a ton of too high
shell throughout the remainder this season, obviously, and especially on
Monday Night football with Vic Fangio coming to town. Who

(46:42):
I mean, that's his his bread and butter. Is that
too high?

Speaker 4 (46:44):
Look? Now?

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Something they obviously post snap sometimes get out of it.
But this is a team in the Green Bay Packers,
that has to be patient and that play in particular
showed both play caller and quarterback falling into the trap
that the defense wanted them to fall into.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Yeah, and then it led Pete Doherty to maybe the
perfect encapsulation of wake the Packers offenses and why it's so,
why it's going to be predicated and their their ultimate
team success is in their own hands. But it's going
to be very, very tough, and it's a lot easier
for us to do on the couch because we're not
into it. We're not playing, and we're not figuring it

(47:23):
out trying to dial up all of these ones. But
they potentially will turn into one of the most impatient
offenses of all time because they want to throw the
ball down the field. Arman and I joke about this
all the time, and this is interesting from Matt Leaflora,
and I think it's a credit to him as a
former quarterback. All quarterbacks want to throw the foot, but

(47:47):
Matt does when he is committed to we need some balance,
we need balance. We need to call runs. We need
to call runs, we need to call runs. But he
also has that feeling of we do need to throw
a deep shot here, we do.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
I'm I got such an itchy finger. I'm waiting. I'm waiting.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
I'm waiting, I'm waiting. I've had this thing circled. We
practice it every single day in the week. We've been
waiting for it. We've been jones and everybody knows that
we're calling it. Christian's been waiting to have another deep shot. Here,
fire him up and see how quickly he can get
past these guys, and hey, maybe he splits the safeties
and Jordan, on his twenty seventh birthday, throws the ball
further than he ever has before. But big old Derek

(48:25):
Brown is dancing in front of him, ready to crush him,
and lets it hang up in the air and also
nags again going back to it and why you're so
spot on as to how it was predetermined they had
thought of it. I would have thought they would have
done it with the wind at their back back. Yeah,
m exactly it. They wait, they wait, and now let's

(48:46):
eat it up. We've been waiting for the field to flip.
We got it from our bat. We're gonna throw this
thing by hell or high water, and we're sending it
in Jerome and ultimately it man Derek Brown credits him.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
He crushed.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
He's right into Love's face. In the picture you see it,
he clearly affects it. I don't know how far Jordan
was gonna be able to throw it. Maybe he was
going to be able to clear all of.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Those guys you can step into it. Possibly, but you're
totally right.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
It was we've waited too long, we've wanted to throw
this deep shot, and it's the gamble that teams are
going to make. The Packers play, will you take four
yards every single time? Will you take three to four
yards every single time? And right now the answer has
been no.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Look at those first two games, right, particularly that deep
shot to Dobbs in Week one that in a series
in a literal two play touchdown drive, right like, he
takes the Dobbs post route to get them down there
in a basically essentially scoring range. And then the next
literally the next play, it's a touchdown and man against
man coverage in a single ezed safety to Jane Reed.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
Then look at the Washington game.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
I mean Love's average kind of like the throw in
that game was like seventeen yards or something like, pushing
the ball down field every single opportunity. Since those two games,
teams have said, okay, screw that. Like they they want
the Packers to take deep shots. They are trying every

(50:11):
single down and distance to make sure that they have
something over the top. And yeah, it's about I thought,
like you said, Pete Doherty absolutely nailed it in his
Green Bay Prescazet column. The Packers entire operation on offense
going forward has to be about patients. And it doesn't
mean you can't throw the ball downfield. Doesn't mean there

(50:32):
aren't opportunities in front of those safeties in the intermediate game, right,
you saw Love hit a few of those. But man,
they are going to have to be patient or they
are going to fall into the trap that defense is
not them to.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
And this is going to be the battle alb of
emotional intelligence for the offense. Because I want to say this,
and I want to make it clear, I in general
like that the Packers put a lot of emphasis on
trying it explosives, right because analytics lex have shown us
that one of the best you know, Yeah, that's where
points come from.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Right, It correlates to victory.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
Explosives correlate to victory more than anything else in football. Right,
So because of that, that's why a lot of defenses
play the way they do now to prevent those things,
and especially against the packers who have shown that constant
emphasis and desire to try and find ways to get
those over and over. But the problem is what you
just said, right, is you you put so much into

(51:26):
wanting to try those shot plays that the one chance
you get to do it, or the one time you
do it, you kind of over.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
You know.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
It's like when you're young and you're single and you're
in college, you're going on every night, so you don't
put everything into every night, you know, lifestyle. But when
you lose that chance, you know, when you're getting older
and just kids and there's things like you get you
get one night a month, you get one on every
two months.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
You're getting it all into that, right what, I'm throwing
it deep no matter what.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
But you got to kind of like, even if it's
a bad decision to do so, you have to try
and have that emotional time to say, you know what,
I've been waiting for this, waiting for this, but it's
not my time on fourth and eight. It might not
be my time down seven to go even I'm gonna
wait for another time. I'm gonna have discretion. The better
part vowel and that's hard. That's an emotional to say,
that's a mental decision you have to fight with. But

(52:17):
in general, I think that the emphasis on trying to
find ways to get explosive plays is a good thing.
It's just a challenge over doing it when when the
off of the defense is baiting you into those. That's
what makes the Tucker Craft injury even more painful. Is
he as the yak king yak And one way you
can get those without throwing a depth to throw is
obviously yak, right, And.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
That's what makes it painful.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
It's funny you mentioned that because shout out MPB Milwaukee
here on the Chiese at TV YouTube chat. They want
to throw the ball downfield dot dot dot, except when
they're throwing it behind the line of scrimmage a dozen
times a game. And now, look, I get that frustration,
but the whole idea there, and again we're talking about
what is happening at the line of scrimmage. If team

(53:00):
are packed in to try and stop Josh Jacobs, they
want to get out of the perimeter, and especially if
teams are playing that kind of cover two shell with
a bunch of guys face you want to get it
out there too, hopefully have a numbers advantage where you
can block it up and get your guy free and
get some yards. Again, like we talked about it the
first segment, the problem is most of these defenses now

(53:22):
are expecting it. Maybe not every single down, but they're
ready for Okay, when that ball, when I see Jordan
Love just turn to make that throat man, they are triggering, yeah,
and they are blowing these things up. So at some point,
again I'm belated, I'm beating the dead horse here, but
you've got to have something to work off of that

(53:44):
because teams are ready for it. And as frustrating as
those horizontal plays are, they're not going away anytime soon
because that again, that's their operation. They run from the gun,
and when the opportunity is there, Love is going to
take those run solutions. And as as frustrating as we
are watching it over and over again, I don't expect

(54:07):
it to change anytime soon.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
No, it's who they are, and at some point you're
not going to completely throw away who you are.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
And you do and I get it.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
I know it's frustrating, but you're trying to put your
guys in their best positions Malie Keith All, God bless him.
His maybe best attribute is blocking, So we're gonna try
to throw him out in front and see if we
can block. He gets one block and it's a totally
different game. Or if you know, with Savian Williams earlier
in the game, nags and this is the one that
gets lost in the fumble.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
You know, if we don't run straight into the ass, you're.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Left perhaps to your right, although I know you're going
back into the wash there. Maybe that's not the greatest choice,
but that either one of those is preferable to run
it up into the back of your block.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
I actually couldn't tell.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
If I couldn't tell, what he was trying to do
was like old school take one step onto the shoulder
pads and jump off of the block and just try
to leap over the bile. But yeah, it was definitely
a decision because uh, my man just goes straight into
the backside.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
And it's like, dude, did you see And then of
course he fumbles and the Carolina Panthers are celebrating. Did
you catch fox cut to Lafleur, Yes, essentially read I
don't know. It wasn't like really reading in the riot Act,
but certainly lecturing him.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
I'd love to know what was being talked about.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
I was we were asked on on packer's ot nangs,
and I'd like, you you're taking this, Oh yeah, I
don't know if it's the best look for your head
coach to be undressing players and on the sidelines.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Is this the new one?

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Oh yeah? And then also for you know, I saw
him just walk away from him. That doesn't that doesn't
show that, you know, the head coach has really any control.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
The body language, police.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Our back our bag. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
I don't know how you're you're gonna view that he's
walking away from his coach.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
When he's yelling at him. I do think the funny
telling something. The funny thing is like, there are people
that assume that these guys know the cameras on.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Of it all times.

Speaker 5 (56:17):
They have no idea. It's the only reason you saw
that because the camera was on.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
They aren't Taylor Swift in the sweet arm and where
she can see on camera whenever she gets thrown on camera.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
A good point, very good point.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
And B what would you have preferred save save on
to argue back at him?

Speaker 1 (56:32):
I know what's supposed to do.

Speaker 4 (56:33):
Look, I try to make a play, guy, Like.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
What's it's just really weird.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
And uh, I don't know what he was saying, probably
like don't fumblet.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Put the or go you know, don't run into the
block or whatever. But I also say, man, these pearl
clutching moments are like hilarious to me, Like, God blessed
these folks. Where were you when Mike Holmgren was grabbing
Billy Schrader's face fast by the sideline face on Monday
Night Football?

Speaker 8 (56:59):
Like I'll forget it was that one, or you brought
up the game and I'm remembering it verbatim in Detroit
when the Packers losing twenty ten.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
I can't remember who.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Maybe James Starks, maybe it's Brandon Jackson, and Mike McCarthy
grabs him by the collar of the shoulder pads and says,
hold on to them. I mean him, hold on to it,
and then my man doesn't play the rest of the game,
Like at some point that used to be.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
A part of the nomenclature in the game.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
And then all of a sudden, Jonathan Gannon gave a
little bit too feisty of a well of a shot in.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
But I was, I was. I was waiting for Nags
that moment.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
And then literally the next primetime game player on Washington
makes a play. Dan Quinn runs down, rips the headset off,
and two handed smacks my man in the chest. And
I'm like, uh oh, you better watch out, better watch out,
came putting our hands on player. It's gonna be a
different story here. I know it's a but I was

(58:02):
for that.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
For that.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
It is funny how we cope as fans.

Speaker 5 (58:04):
On one hand, we want our coaches, players and sometimes
media to validate our own emotions and react the same
way we are, And on the other hand, it's like,
don't do that because it's not a good look. First
of all, who cares what look to who? I don't care, Well,
I care about the score. I don't care about who
will look to who? And like who looks bad and
who doesn't look bad? And I'm like, I don't care
about looks, care about the score.

Speaker 4 (58:24):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
I couldn't tell exactly where the the lip reading was
though to the Williams story. To me, Nags it felt
more of hey, brother, left hand fundamentals.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Yeah, yeah, we we do this in fifth grade, sixth grade,
fifteenth grade.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
You put the ball towards the sidelines and instead right
down here waiting for J. C.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Horn to make a play.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
And this is the other part of it, as frustrating
as it is for the Packers, and it does give
more moments to say Carolina needed their best players to
play their best game. Derek Brown causes at least two
holding lease and J. C. Horn force is a fumble.
That was their recipe and they got their best players
to have big games.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Yep, and look the Packers, God bless them. The utilization
of their personnel remains interesting. Let's say that. And I
will say this because I love him as a player.
I think he's talented, and I know the public kind
of feeling around him seems to run hot and cold.
But this offense, being as Romeo Dobbs centric as it

(59:29):
has been over the course of the last like four
games or so, I know that they're easing Christian Watson
back into things. It is never as easy as like,
throw it to this guy more. But I do think
this offense has to become a little bit more Watson
centric if they're gonna be successful and if they're gonna
score points. And if they're gonna have explosive gains, et cetera. Again,

(59:51):
I know guys are in and out with injuries in
that game, and you know, I don't think there's any
more evidence of how much Jordan Love looks for Dobbs
first and foremost and trusts Dobbs, maybe to a fault.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
Then that fourth and eight throw.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Where he is as I guess whoever, a swath of
folks in front of him in.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
The end zone.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
I get it's not ideal, but it is fourth and eight.
You gotta make some kind of play and it passes
that up to throw all the way back across the field. Yeah, Romeo,
go get over here, let over here. Oh baby, this
is there's just a just a tick too much Romeo
Dobs in this office.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
Greg Olsen was on it too on that broadcast, fellas,
what are we doing in the end zone on the
fourth and eight?

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Oh? Work back to the quarterback. We gotta work, we
gotta move, we gotta be moving, we gotta.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Be wor oh yeah, we work on scrambled drill all
the time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
You'd never know it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
That would not have been the greatest example as the
letting us all see into your process into your practice.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Quarterback, you need eight yards. I understand the play call
was to get into the end zone, but that play
is bust.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
It's over.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Now back to your quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
I saw I saw some people saying, well, you know,
I know they used to practice that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
When you know, I think they used to practice that
when Aaron was the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Every football team in the world practices scramback drill. Right again,
this is this is rather elementary stuff that you gotta
be You gotta be clean enough on. So that's again
where some people are gonna laugh and say, well, maybe
we all meat your mistakes. How on earth are they
gonna win games? I actually think that's a positive because
they're the most correctable stuff, things that you've been taught

(01:01:30):
since you were in Pop Warner. You will be able
to correct those. It's not the glaring talent deficiencies. It's uh,
as Mike McCarthy would say, got clean up our own house.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
A little bit, absolutely, And that's what we're gonna do.
On the flip side here, we're gonna talk about cleaning
up the two minute drill, which man I got.

Speaker 4 (01:01:47):
I got thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Man I got some thoughts about the approach at the
end of halves, we'll talk about that, We'll talk about
the Eagles, we'll talk about the trade deadline. All on
the flip side for Billy Armon, I'm Aaron. This is
Carry the G Radio, Garrett the J Radio, rolling on
here Tuesday morning into afternoon, Bill Schmid, Army Sorry, and
Aaron Nagler coming at you. I Love Thomas on the

(01:02:09):
Cheesehead TV YouTube channel.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
This is called Billy Schmid bait.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Right here, Thomas says, concerned about this game on Monday,
not because of the Packers beating themselves the Eagles, the Eagles,
but because of the gold package.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):
You go, Fan's got to.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Bring the energy on Monday. Defend yourself, Billy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Well, energy was really high on Sunday, felt really high
at lambeau Field. The energy was was through the roof
for that homecoming snoozer on Sunday afternoon. Listen, we had
a lot of people saying, you know, man, we were
bringing the heat. We were bringing the energy like it times.
I don't Neggs, I don't know where you able to
feel it through the It didn't feel like the Blakes

(01:02:50):
was at any point in time, but Packers didn't exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Give them mole lot to get up about.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
Your spot right, your spot on right. They swore on
that first drive. I'm getting Vince snags. They don't fumble
on the opening possession. The Packers win and cover, and
the clock in the the spread and the feeling and
the sentiments and the fan base is way different. But uh,
to say that it wasn't a little bit snoozy in there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
I think it. It was sleepy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
It was sleepy, and it was also a little colder
than I think most people anticipated it was gonna be
like it was mindy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
But all right, I'm not blaming you.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
But yeah, if that some people thought that was good,
well we should know better than that. This is Wisconsant.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
We've been through a lot of wars than that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Billy.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
No, but I mean, but what I'm saying is the
wind was intense. The wind was the wind was biting
you a lot more than yeah, especially more than you
know in your comfy, cozy, warm little studio over there
that you're taking in the games as well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
You know, the studio change temperature a lot. Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
Second, second of all, third of all, all right, I'm
gonna say this about the start time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Yeah, sleep be whatever. You had daylight savings, you had
an extra hour of sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
The curse of daylight savings struck again the backers. It
was in twelve to the last thirteen when playing on
daylight savings week.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Okay, that's a problem, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
I don't like that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
It's you know, they thought they broke that curse, but
apparently it's back.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
What Elias Sportsbear was counting that. That's an amazing stat that.
It's pretty crazy, right man?

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
They lost twelve in a row. How insane, no matter
how good the team was, no matter who quarterback, coach, whatever,
twelve years in a row.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
It's like losing when Taylor drops an album with some
crazy stat.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Like that, Yeah, Purdue has lost every single week. That
uh that Taylor Smith Taylor Swift drops an album. Now listen,
Purdue also sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
That was gonna say that. It's not really fair because.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
They also makes the backers thing more interesting because they
are actually good.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Yeah, because they're they're not warm cheeks every single year.
They're one that you can actually count count.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
But talk about cheeks? Man, Can we talk about the
approach at the end of the half yet?

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
Again?

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Yeah, that's tough.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
I am so you talk about Okay, everyone, I'm a
Mattlafloor shill.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
I'm always on his side. Blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Okay, let me address something that does drive me sing
insane about Matt laflor Why on God's green earth are
you afraid of operating on offense in a two minute
drill and you don't want to give the ball back
to Bryce Young because now, oh, we don't wanna.

Speaker 7 (01:05:28):
We don't want to leave them too much time, so
we're gonna run the ball out of the gun. Greg
Olsen's on the broadcast, but I don't know why they're
running so much, you and me both, Greg, because this
and Matt's not alone in this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
This is a very kind of I would say, new
ish here. Over the last kind of five years or so,
thing that play callers do at the end of half two, Oh,
we don't want to leave them anytime, so they get
cute and they end up shooting themselves in a in
the foot and taking away opportunities to score touchdowns rather
than attacking. Look, what's so funny about that sequence? Like

(01:06:05):
they run it twice and they go nowhere and they
get a holding call, they get pushed back twenty yards
with penalties and one flip of the wrist from Jordan
Love to Romeo Dobbs and they're back at first and ten.
Another flick of the wrist Chris Brooks.

Speaker 4 (01:06:21):
They're in touchdown.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
They're in the red zone two plays.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
Instead of screwing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Around and doing whatever the hell it is you're doing.

Speaker 7 (01:06:30):
Oh, we gotta make sure Bryce Young doesn't get an opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Bryce Young, who threw for all of one hundred yards
in this game, Why are you playing scared?

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
It's like that scene in Swingers.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
He got these big claws, class and fangs.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
And you're not gonna kill it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
You think you're wondering how to get the bunny with.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
All of this.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Just go that movie be you be the talented team
you are, go kill it.

Speaker 7 (01:07:00):
I am so sick of Oh, we got a big
scared of the other team.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
No, this is what happened in Dallas. It's we saw
a play out in the end of the first half
against Carolina.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
Stop playing scared.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Didn't the complete opposite happen against Dallas. I thought the
exact opposite went happening against Dallas. They went, they started,
they drop back, they get stripsacked and all of a sudden, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Talking about double I'm talking yeah, okay, got it? Okay, okay, Sorry,
I thought you were talking about the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:27):
Time left for Dallas to get a return and maybe
kick a field goal, and blah blah blah, we're gonna
squeeze every ounceide just go and score.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Well, now that one, and well and and again.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
The Dallas one is different too, because we're learning that
you just go score touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Oh wait, the game was over. If you score a touchdown,
that that's what happens. Got it, Okay, that's what happens.
When the field goal, that's what happened. He score a touchdown,
the game is over.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
But the one at the end of the half dome
do that? Yeah, I get that one. I do with
the ghost of half. But there's a two minutes and
twenty two seconds go and score touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
But there's a lot two teams thinking in prioritizing possessions,
and in a game where you only got three possessions,
I get wondering as to how many more you're gonna get.
That would be almost more to let's push the accelerator down.
But we're clutching, we're counting. But when we're counting possessions
nags and you are counting, how sacred they're gonna be.

(01:08:22):
The last thing we want to do is give them
an extra one and impede the double up opportunity that
we ended up almost impeding a couple of times over
the last couple of weeks. Right Like, So they've also
been the team that is capitalized on there being a
couple extra seconds on the clock. Think of Arizona seven seconds,
All of a sudden boom, you're lining up for a
have r sec field goal. So I'm with you. I

(01:08:44):
like them going and being a little bit more aggressive.
But it has shown, especially over the last month, that
you leave any certain time, this team has been the
one that's been the beneficiary of it. You can get
nipped and all of a sudden lose that double up opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
I mean, I am not scared of Bryce Young with
seven seconds on the clock or what ever. I'm sorry,
this is a team that's run all over you. They
have shown like they can run the ball, but it's
the end of the first half like they've got like
if you go when you score whatever, like w thirty
seconds left, I'm pretty confident that Michael Parsons and company
can take care of that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
Yeah, were you pretty confident?

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Were you pretty confident in not giving up a forty
yard return and having them have the ball near midfield?

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Yeah, kick it out of the insiet sounds good to me.

Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
Is there any thought that it wasn't just time strategy?
It was like we think, okay, they're backing us off,
they're covered two. We can pop a big delay on
them or pop a big run because that's a regal.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Dollogue once maybe once.

Speaker 5 (01:09:35):
Well, I just because because you you can get in
the thought of like, all right, we're strategy all.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
The time that draw play first play of the two
drill or hopefully get yourself a good gain. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
I feel that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
I do feel that I do. I mean, on one hand,
I agree.

Speaker 5 (01:09:49):
On the other hand, we just spent a whole segment
talking about how, you know, we got to make sure
we don't eat it too much and take what they
give us. So I don't know if that was part
of it at all. I do think a lot more
of it's execution than play call. If we did what
Rico o'donald did at the end of the game to
rip off a big run on us round.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
No, so I don't know, Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:10:08):
I don't fortune favors the bold, but you do have
to sometimes be I'm just.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Sick of being scared of other teams. Stop being scared
of other teams. Like you are really good, you're really talented.
Like have that's the other thing.

Speaker 4 (01:10:22):
Have faith in.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Your dudes, Like, oh my god, they might score, they
might rip off a big run.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
They might, they might, they might. We might do something too.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
We've got really talented players, really good coaches. Embolden them,
let them cook, as it were. That's where I like,
it's just a message that you're sending to your team.
Oh guys, we gotta we gotta, we gotta make sure
we don't leave them anytime because we're so scared that
something might happen. No, you're gonna go, you're gonna score,

(01:10:52):
you're gonna kick ass. That's my biggest frustrations.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Mental Brian de Pierre said maliflor is a fake tough guy.
Nag's rant is spot on that Matt Laflour is a
fake tough guy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
I don't think he's a fake tough guy. I just
think he just outthinks himself, and I do think it's
all a little precious. And I do think he gets
We talked about this last year. The tighter the game gets,
the later into the game it gets, and it is tight,
and there is like it's in doubt, you're not ahead,
blah blah blah. He does tend to tighten up a
little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:11:25):
Do you see to me?

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
This is what I keep kind of hammering all season long.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
It's just you are so talented.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
That's what happened in Arizona when they finally finally went
for it on that fourth down, when he had sent
out the field goal unit and then pulled them off.
Let Jordan like make a play. They shouldn't take having
your back against the wall, which is exactly what happened
when they converted with Romeo Dobbs. You can do that
on first down. That is this is in it. Look,

(01:11:54):
I know, I'm on the couch, I'm drinking beer, I'm
watching the game. Like it's very easy for me to
say that. I don't dismiss that. I understand everything happening
on the field and on the sideline and in the
booth is ten times more complicated than just do.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
This or do that. But at some point, what do
they always say?

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
Billy teams are a reflection of their head coach, and
if the head coach is always playing scared and always uptight,
then your team is going to be playing scared and
be uptight. I'm sorry. Fifty two years of watching the
NFL tells me that's the truth. And I do see
it creep in every now and again with Lafleur's teams.

(01:12:33):
If he would trust them and embolden them rather than
put the harness on them, let them gallop, It's.

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
All I ask.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
Are they tight?

Speaker 5 (01:12:43):
You think sometimes because of his intensity and focus.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
A little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
I mean I saw people. I saw a couple both
throw that out with the Halloween take. I thought that
was more of a joke by him, But he's like,
I don't give a blank about Halloween. We have a
game to win, Like it's all that intense tightness.

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
Right, you know? No, get though it was hilarious.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
I always funny too, so I didn't take it that way.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
Point there could be a potential through line there not
a love to enjoy Halloween. We have to focus on
the game, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Just what juxtapost that with that famous clip of Randy
Moss and Bill Belichick and Belichick's office and Randy Moss
inviting Belichick to the Halloween party and how and Belichick
showing up in a pirate's costume and having a great time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Yeah, okay, but also results will results will change that
if if Bill Belichick did that, now his ass would
be grasped because it would be the reason why he's
doing that in twenty five year old So I do
I listen, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
He had a football team, he was in the NFL,
he was had you know, Randy Moss and Tom Brady, and.

Speaker 5 (01:13:42):
He didn't show that impressors either, impressors. It was all
on the Cincinnati on theid.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Right, no doubt, no doubt. I'm just saying the attitudes
reflect and go dribble down across the organization, let alone
just the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Yeah, I don't think the team plays scared. I just
like that's not I just don't see it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
But I do I do agree that you take on
a a present of your head coach. I think the
one more specific point to it would be like when
they go to Europe and uh, it's all frustration, all anger,
all pissing and moaning about the trip and how long
it is, well, then it's not surprising that your team
pisses and moans once something goes bad right on the

(01:14:19):
other side, But like the nervousness and the embowelingt I
don't see it, but I do hope that maybe we
just go complete all the all gas no break that
everybody likes.

Speaker 4 (01:14:29):
And I don't see it all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
I'm not saying that it's like yeah, one of the time,
but again in situation, very certain situations, i e. The
end of first halves. Yeah, I kind of see it.
I kind of see it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:40):
The thing is, the thing is about man and we
get into this a lot, and fans do to about
coaching styles and the way he is. And he does
win a lot of games, so he's doing something. He's
doing something right at some point.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
So when they lose, it's definitely his fault, right, but
a lot more of where it goes.

Speaker 5 (01:14:56):
Yeah, So that's the dichotomy of it. Then that's what
we do with sports fans, right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
MVP can't disrespect the high holidays. I mean that's a
fair point. That's a fair point.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Thanksgivings disrespected all the time, you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Know, and we're playing on Thanksgiving. Billy knows how I
feel about that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
That's the right time to play football, I guess makes
more sense than Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
I'm on, I'm on the side of Vincelambarty. I don't
want to do it anymore. Like that's you know, Vincelambardi
literally told the NFL, I don't want to do this anymore,
and they.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Did run nightmares running from dinner daily.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
I just want to be in a trip to Fancoma
and not have to worry. That's all.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
That's all I ask. That's that makes Thanksgiving that much
more enjoyable.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
I disagree Packers. Packers playing football makes it much more enjoyable.

Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
It did a couple of years ago, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Crazy it happens. We also have a trade in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
Jacobe Myers being shipped from the Las Vegas Raiders to
the Jacksonville Jaguars. So everybody that's wondering, hey, Romeo Dobbs
is gonna be on the market. Packers might be moving
moving some wide receivers. One just got moved, nags. People
are asking, people are wondering anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
They ain't moving anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
But that gives us an opportunity, and I springboard into
the next segment, final segment, we're gonna talk about some
trade targets. Who could the packers potentially target today? Who knows,
Maybe they'll be breaking news while we're talking about it.
I tend to doubt it, but you never know. For
Billy and Arman, I'm Aaron. It's Carry the G Radio, Officer, Officer.

(01:16:31):
You ain't gonna believe it. The truck it just stopped.
Love that song, love that movie, love everything about it.
Wrapping up Carry the G Radio here with Billy and Arman.
I'm Aaron Nagler. My goodness, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls.
It is trade deadline day. Do you know where your
general manager is? I'll bet he's somewhere deep in the

(01:16:54):
bowels of lambeau Field breaking down like Division three tight
end tape. That's that's my guess up. Maybe possibly working
the phones. Billy Well, I want to. I want to, Yeah,
that's probably what.

Speaker 5 (01:17:06):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
I'm working the phone line here too. I'm working the
talking text line pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
A couple of we're having some fun here from our
friend Brian in to Pere who said Matt Lafleur is
a fake tough guy. He said his fake toughness comes
through in his actions when the game tightens up. Uh,
They've won games in spite of Matt Lafleur's ineptitude.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
So I just asked, I said, So, I just asked Naggs,
who would you go get.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
Bill Cower hold on?

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Even better?

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
I hate that rebuttal, I bet you do. I can
say that Matt Lafleur ain't the guy to take this
team to the Promised Land and not know who the
replacement is. Both can be true what I said. Wait,
so if it's so clear that he's not the guy,
then clearly there should be options to.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
Go very obvious alternative.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Then there's clearly a very obvious alternative.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Well what, I'm not an NFL GM or president, and
I'm not guessing they will let me have a say
it or a role in the interview process. So that's
not my job. I'm just telling you my opinion, which
I feel will be proven accurate in short order. There
have got to be better alternatives. But again, I don't
get paid to lead that search or make that higher.

(01:18:17):
Opinions are like holes. Everyone has one, absolutely, so Brian,
I'm not saying you can't have that opinion, but you
can't pucker up and be upset when I ask the rebuttal,
like I hate that rebud. I bet you do hate
that rebuttal because then the conversation ends because you don't
have another spot to go.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
To it if you.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
Go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:18:38):
Well, I just think his point is, Look, I don't
get paid to lead that search. Well you don't get
paid to fire either, But you just did.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
You just did.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Why not do both? I'd like to.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Sit here and but here's that's the perfect point because
it's like, you know what, the people that do get
paid to make that decision haven't fired Matt Lafleur, and
it's just that's it, and the discussion boom, done over.
I don't get it, man, I just don't get it.

(01:19:08):
Listen the Green Bay Packers, how do you think do
you want to be the Jets? Is that what Packers
fans want? Like we're got to fire everybody after every loss,
or everybody should be gone like blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Yes, if you want to be a.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Bad football franchise, be a Jets fan, man, go be
a Jets fan.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
If that's how you want your team to operate.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
I beg you, Yeah, you get to see a firsthand
there in New York, A couple of organizations every year
going on. But the interesting one is next and this
is the this is the rebutt and and I'm not
going to say that because the people that are waiting
for somebody be held accountable next, that's all we want.
We don't want anybody fire. We just want to be
held accountable. A lot of people wondering that if ed

(01:19:51):
policy is going to hold everyone accountable at the end
of the year, and he's gonna make sweeping changes, and
that it could be that. It could be Matt Lafloor
going somewhere else, could be Brian Good going somewhere else,
could be both of them gone, could be both of
them back. The thought is, if indeed they put a
lot more performances like Sunday out there, then I bet

(01:20:12):
there would be a conversation probably gone. I just so
much doubt that that will be the case going forward.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
Games left, yea.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
I dismissed that part of the more games. Yeah, I
thought the season.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Was over, he said, call me out on the radio. Though, cool, brother,
You're told talk line, what do you want?

Speaker 5 (01:20:33):
That's why we're conversing here, is that callhere's why we're
having a conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
In this radio show.

Speaker 7 (01:20:39):
Oh my god, Yes, you will get called out on
the radio when you text into a radio program.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
I thought that was what we did this.

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
Yeah, this is a good time to state if you
text into the show, you may get your comments right
on the air.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Both people want that it doesn't.

Speaker 5 (01:20:56):
It's still tough, right because I'm looking at the all
time winning percent and fl like coaches and Matt Lafleur's thirteenth.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
He just wins too much for me to have too
much of that criticism. I get.

Speaker 5 (01:21:06):
This isn't some small sample size either. It's been seven
years now, I mean it's been you know, a good
chunk of time.

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
I appreciate Thomas on the chie said TV YouTube channel, saying, the.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Same people who want Lafleur fired are the same people
who thought that Love wasn't the guy and Policy is
the one who traded for Micah. Get the f out
of here with that. Bs. All right, let's calm down,
like we don't need to, like maybe Thomas, you know
the F bombs around here, But I will say, yeah,
if you put you know, some kind of chart together,
like you know, those those sections do tend to overlap.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
There's zero doubt about that. I would really want to click.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
I really do want to talk about potential trade targets
because who knows, Billy, Yes, they traded for my Ca Parsons,
gave up two first round picks. You would think probably
as a GM, you're like done dusted, You're okay, I'm
done giving up assets.

Speaker 4 (01:21:50):
But you never know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
I certainly didn't expect them to trade for Mike Ca Parsons.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
Who knows what.

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
Brian Gudkus has up his sleeve. My a number one
guy want them to get And I don't think this
is gonna happen, but gotta suspect there's a possibility, although
maybe last night screws this up.

Speaker 4 (01:22:07):
Go get Kalis Campbell, Oh god, o start owning the
middle of your.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Defense, like you just came off a game where you
saw how maybe precarious it might be after two games,
by the way, where you saw the opponent, especially when
they buttoned it up and went heavy.

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
Kind of took advantage of your defense. Go get Kalis Campbell.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
Oh god, arman, can't repeat the words that I said
about Kalais Campbell this morning. Uh, he is a a
real one like that. Dude is such a son of
a gun that at whatever it is, thirty eight years old,
generally I'm making the skeletal remains stokes.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
He's throwing guys around and he's on a field goal block.
He'll do it, He'll do it. It takes is that ninety
three last night?

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
Yes, and he's got the he's got the Walter Payton
logo on the chest, which nags you already know. I
do want to see a Green Bay Packer before I
die with the Walter Payton Man of the Year logo
on the Packers jersey.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
So that would also be an.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
Easy way for us. Just skip ahead, go get Khalaiz Campbell.
I love that idea. Let's just hit that easy button
and get our Walter Payton Man of the Year in here.
I was waiting for to me jj Watt, but I'm
fine if it's Kalais Campbell, it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:17):
Would be amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
And to your point, yeah, old right, at the end
of the kind of time in the NFL, et cetera.
Not really the kind of guy Guta Kuntz would traditionally
go after, right, He's always looking for guys on the
come up the end of their first contract, et cetera.
But man, if there is a dude to make an
exception for you're trying to go win the lim party. Hm,
that's the kind of move I would make. I'd give

(01:23:38):
up a third round pick. And I know that's crazy,
that's I know this as the words come out of
my mouth. I know that's nuts, but I'd pull the
trigger in a heartbeat. He's a total nine games of
kalays Can dude.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
He's a total difference maker. And it's also one of
those where he makes your locker room much better. And
I don't think they have a locker room problem. I
think they got a great, great group of guys. I
think he just adds to it. The other one that
I'd be interested in, Naggs As I'm looking at a
couple of different, you know, folks that have brought in
a number of names that they've called on and Easton
Butler's posaying all these different names they've called on. If

(01:24:12):
the Tavandre Sweat deal and if that guy is actually
up for grabs, Tennessee doesn't want to get.

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
Loved him coming out.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
But oh my god, seem like a packer.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
Doesn't look like it doesn't seem like a Packer in
that locker room field.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
No, no, there's that as well, but just you know,
I'm talking about like you know, measurables. Everything they look at,
r s ys, et cetera. Doesn't feel like a Packers player.
But hey, to your point, I'm all in.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
I loved him in the draft, and you and I were,
You and I were all over that out that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Although as I often say, uh, Packers fans are very
very lucky, I'm not the GM because I would wreck
this roster in a heartbeat. You would have draft William
thirty eight year old player to do that, like, let
me gut this roster real quick, trying to chase a Lombardi.

(01:24:58):
That would be me. I would I would just destroy everything.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
Another name that's been thrown out there a lot and
position that people have talked about is corner cornerback. Mm hmmm,
I would be I'd actually be surprised. But even with
Nate Hobbs being on the shelf for a couple weeks
now with the injury, man, I'm excited to see what
bow Melton can do. And I know people think that's
a joke. I am not joking. I am excited about
the prospect of seeing some bow Melton out there.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
That's when I wanted Odell Beckham Junior and we got
Razola Douglas.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
I'm ready for it, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
All in on it, All in on, Carry the G Radio.
Each and every week throughout this season, another two hours
is flown by boys. Can't wait to do it again
next week after it had big Packers victory. Thank you
so much. Talk to you next week for Billy Armon.
I'm Aaron on Carry the G Radio.