12/29/25 - Hour 1

12/29/25 - Hour 1

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Carry the Gee Radio coming to you live on a
Monday edition here one day early, because gosh knows, we
couldn't wait to talk about the embarrassment, the disaster, the
absolute detonation of the Green Bay Packers defense by your
hated Baltimore Ravens. I'm Aaron Negler, Bill Schmid and Arman,

(00:24):
Sorry and joining me, guys, how we doing a day?
And some change removed from said proceeds.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Well, I answered the same way that I answer everybody
on Packers ot that call and say, hey, how use
guys doing?

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Man, how you doing?

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
But listen, I don't know if laminating is when you
have that piece of paper and you wanted to stamp
like sit forever, right, so you put in plastic all where.
I don't know if it's a lamination or a lamination
at Lambeau but they laminated a performance. Did the Baltimore
Ravens to give themselves one a last ticket and a
possibility to make the playoffs? And a performance from a

(01:01):
visitor that's gonna stay in the test At the time,
two yards away from a Mon Green's all time rushing
record at Lambeau Field, the most an opponent has ever
ran for on the Green Bay Packers and Nags. Those
numbers only make it sound worse. But then you watch
it again and it was.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
I was just gonna say, that doesn't even do it justice.
You talk about a team that came in and from
the opening snap of the ball exhibited way more want
to than the Green Bay Packers. That's the most disconcerting thing,
right because look, you didn't go through this season thinking, oh,
the Packers have a dominant run defense, Like teams have

(01:39):
been able to chip away here and there, and even
teams with good running games have had, you know, some
nice games on first down set up, kind of putting
themselves ahead of the sticks. We've seen the Bears do that,
We've seen a couple other teams do it, but they've certainly,
for the most part this season, been able to rise
to the occasion when a team has thought, Okay, now

(01:59):
we're just gonna commit to a running game and we're
gonna no, you're not. But man, that was not evident
in any way, shape or form on Saturday Night, where
I understand, like you're trying to limit explosive plays, but
the Ravens came in knowing that's what you like to do.
And they were more than content to just a run
the ball obviously, but b not really try to push

(02:22):
the ball down field in any way, shape or form.
And it seemed like it took Jeff Afley just a
little bit long to kind of come to the realization of, Oh,
they're not threatening us vertically at all.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
No, they were not going to do what the Packers
did was, which was flip the script on what you
thought they were gonna do. They said, wait, you're bringing
up a backup quarterback that runs. Let's flip this thing
all around and let's throw two deep balls to start
the game to the Green Band Packers. The Ravens were like,
you know what we're actually gonna do. We're gonna flip
the script on what we've done in twenty twenty five.
We're actually gonna give it to Derrick Henry. We're actually

(02:54):
gonna give the Hall of Famer the football. And he
just ran at you, through you around. You did whatever
they want, and Naggs, I, again, maybe I'm just not
nearly as intelligent on the NFL as I'd like to
tell myself that I am when I'm at the wagering
window and investing in some of this stuff. Right, But
if there was one team that I would have thought

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could have gotten punched in the mouth and hit a
ready set Cabo situation, it was going to be Baltimore,
right playing with the backup quarterback, our two time MVP
quarterback is standing here in a raincoat. We're not giving
the ball to Derrick Henry. We're not able to stop anyone.
We're giving up forty yard touchdowns to Christian Watson and
until he gave them everything right into it, with fifteen

(03:36):
and a half minutes of time of possession in twenty
six plays and two touchdowns on their first two drives.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
The vibes around the Ravens heading into this game were
very poor, right, Like there was talk about Harbon's job security,
there was the friction with Lamar Jackson, big column in
Baltimore about Lamar Jackson's work, habits, et cetera. And they
absolutely catapulted themselves back into not only just playoff contention,
but like the idea they could win the division, right, Yeah,

(04:05):
And I thought that was going to be more prevalent
and more obvious on the Packers side of things. They
had a chance here and look last night's result, Bears
lose if the Packers had arrived and actually played that
game against Baltimore, they had have been playing for the division, on.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Something for the division, and that's kind of probably.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
They played like a team that was ready to pack
at it and for two exhibition games, right.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
They really did.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
On one hand, you could say, well, of these games
really matter. I mean they did because you're trying to
win the division. Now, they did seem like a team
that was okay with their spot and ready to pack.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
At least they played like it. I'm not sure if
they coached.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
The defense, that's what I should say.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
The league played one hundred percent motivation obviously, but he's
got all the reasons for it. But the defense definitely did.
They seemed like a team that was ready to collect
the check that week. And I think the disappointing part
was that should have been a game that you're more
prepared to stop the run than ever. I mean, Lamar's
not exactly Tyler Hutley's in, so you're like, look, we
know what they're gonna do.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Let's load them up and box them up and stop
the run. Like now here, you have the advantage there.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
And here's the disconcerting part, right, Like everything you're saying
is true, and what if I mean, obviously they didn't
do exactly what you're talking about. They didn't especially from
the get go pack the box. They didn't bring numbers
like which, Okay, fine, you're gonna limit explosive plays. That's
what they've done all year long. But man, they've done
it all year long by playing some pretty darn good

(05:30):
run defense. In the fact that they are technique driven
assignment sound man. Wow, that now that's where I get
to where you're talking about their arman. As far as
I saw a lot of guys who you know, they're fine. Okay,
we're in the playoffs. I don't need to I don't
need to strive. I don't need a strain. I don't

(05:50):
need to because we're guaranteed a playoff game. Been nice
if that playoff game had been in Lambeau, but that's
all gone now. And look, I don't want to sit
here and say like everybody was terrible, because I do
think there were a couple of guys. I mean, Lucas
van Ness has been a punching bag online, especially for
quite some time. He had a whale of a game

(06:11):
like I don't think he was an all pro or anything,
but he actually showed signs of life and actually want
to a guy who actually made a few plays, and
those kind of performances and exhibits were very few and
far between on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, and the tough one was like actually doing what
he was supposed to. Just a great design to be
able to clean him up early before Henry's able to
get it outside on that thirty yarder. I thought the
freeze frame was gonna be van ness looking like straight
into the end zone and Henry's already behind him, but
that that would have been a that would have been
an unfair still shot as to the game that he played.

(06:46):
And I thought with the attitude that you've kind of
planned on seeing from him for the way that he
played at Iowa, right, Like, I didn't necessarily love the
pick when they took him because he it felt like
such a tweener in a league that now has we
know what you're gonna have. But the one thing that
you could never question was that dude plays with immense
passion on the on against the run, and you actually

(07:09):
saw that, which was good.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
I had a couple of people say, we'll agree to disagree.
I didn't think kuay Walker was as horrible as everyone
will say. He's like, while he's making all these tackles
six and seven yards downfield.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Well everyone hates kay Walker, it's what mind bugger.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
But when you're when your defensive line is getting shoved,
and I mean past three to four yards downfield, somebody's
got to get the guy onto the floor, somebody's got
to get him onto the grass. And and more times
than not, Quay was playing from damn near behind because
of how much traffic there was in front of him.

(07:43):
Uh and and we knew the defensive line would would
be a problem with the loss of Wyatt, loss of
other guys. But I think nags in the like Again,
there's everything was on the table on a very long
version of Packers. Oht we went off for overly Oh yeah,
full two and a half hours was long too, You
were over long list, I went yeah, yeah. We listened

(08:03):
on the way home, and they.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Had stuff to say.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
They wanted to dub their bucket, understandably so. But there
was also so many parts of it and so many
layers that you kept unraveling with of like, damn, you
know who really would have helped against that run last night,
like TJ Slayton right, or like you mentioned one of
the fourteen defensive tackles that got taken in the draft
this year in what was lauded as the best defensive

(08:27):
tackle draft that we've seen in a decade. So there's
parts of last night where you go back for the
last eight or nine months and say, and that all
kind of culminated on one night when you needed to
win to keep your division hopes alive, and instead it's
just getting smashed in front of you by an absolute
Adonis and derreck Henry and that one hurt.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, And look, Henry is amazing. Obviously the production is there,
it's all for everyone to see. But man, it's the
way that offensive line for the Ravens and the tight
ends and their whole blocking unit wide receivers as well,
just dominated physically anything the Packers were trying to do upfront.
I mean it was sad and like, look you can
talk about the wide receivers because the corners didn't cover

(09:10):
themselves in glory at all. I mean it feels like
teams are taking you know, one week at a time. Well,
this week we're picking on Keishaan Nixsons next week, we're
picking picking on carrying to Valentine. I mean Valentine essentially
it looked like was about to be benched auto coming
out of the second half and then Kamal Hadden goes
down with an injury and they got to go back
to Valentine. Good point. You know, I think it's tough.

(09:32):
It's a tough way to live when all three levels
are getting physically dominated. And that's what happened. And it
wasn't just one part of it. It was all three
levels of the Packers defense.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
And I was gonna imagine already decimated by injury. I mean,
that's that's part of the problem. And you can say
test depth all you want, and I think, yes, depth
has been tested, and I think the Packers have decent
depth actually, but there's only a point where you can
sustain it and then next man up is fine. But
there's a reason why the next man is behind the
other man.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
It's just that's just the.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Way it is. So the Packers and always now you
could say this the Ravens that were a team playing
for their lives this season, right, so they had to
play it that way, and then they had that motivation
and in that sense they were.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
So they have a big game coming up. Obviously we'll
see what's going to be the.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Last game of the season. Now, yeah, they're gonna be
playing in prime time Aaron Rodgers in prime time next
Sunday night. The Packers playing at noon, as God intended
the way it should be, they could.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Have played that game at nine am.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
In all reality, I joked at two A have been
really tough on the post because.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
You would have done a morning show at that point.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
It would have been the post game would have been
like good morning.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Show post game at eleven am.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, it works, that.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Brunch with the post gamers and hang out with your
misery with with Billy. But also like it's just so
many parts of it and the the opportunities that we're
still there. Like I've sat here and and combed through
for some Ridicut reason, these notes that we take and
and getting Baltimore backed up on their fifteen.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Down, fifteen yard line drive, Oh my god, talk about
tear your hair out that drive that was it?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Now this is this is one where it was a
downhill run out of the shotgun from Derrick Henry. But
it's like, damn, the whole year they have. Baltimore has said,
you know what, we're gonna bring in Justice Hill, or
we're gonna put Mitchell out instead of the Hall of Famer,
and we're just gonna tell you we're really not that

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interested in running it and we're gonna try to throw
it over to the skeletal remains of DeAndre Hopkins again,
and like that's been a layup to get off the field. Instead,
Baltimore's like, you know what this time around we should do.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Maybe we just give it, Maybe we give it to Derek.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
They get nine, and then the next plays the thirty
yard back breaker and you wake up to start the
fourth and the balls on your end of the field,
Like that is to me, even though the one before
half is I don't pull your hair out with a
twenty five yard scramble. I thought that one is the
one that I will have nightmares about for the next one.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Oh, you know you're Jeff Haffley, you're playing. Okay, we've
just scored. We just got about a minute here. Let's
just keep everything in front of us. Fine, they kick
it into the end zone, which that's a whole other conversation.
But maybe they're afraid of a return, so They're like, okay,
just kick it into the end zone. Fine, now they've
got the ball with pretty decent field position, but you
still feel pretty good about the opportunity to double up.

(12:27):
But man, you could tell Halfley was thinking, oh, this
is a classic drop back passer. The idea that there
was going to be any kind of possibility of a
quarterback draw did not enter his mind because that next
play where not one but two do I felt bad
for Kway Walker, Thank god. I think it was the
center and a guard like fifteen yards downfield just.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Blocking Walker, like when Nags is doing the up point,
when Naggs is doing mesh back in at Avis and
all you're seeing is your center guard combo doing the
for one blocking sled drill and just carrying that thing
twenty yards downfield.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
In the offensive line coach sitting there, I got.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
I got that was them just walk and Armin's like,
you can't let that happen. I'm like, dude, I feel bad.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
There's not much you can do.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Busted out the white tape for myself.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
It just because there was not to the point that
play flips the fields and now suddenly they're in scoring position,
and it was just one play where you're supposed to
be playing quote prevent, but all you did was open
the door for that running quarterback to.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Find The whole night though, I mean, you got physically
whooped by the other side.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
You got made.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
You know, they made themselves their daddy. Is it the
right way to say it. I don't know the right
way to say it.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
You were daddy by them.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
They physically whooped you all.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
In some way it was It's a terrible feeling to
know you're just getting out physical and just beat up
in the front. This is football. The stronger team pushing
you is gonna win. That's what happened last night. In
a way, it was like, this is a this is
a really depressing way to look at it. But at
least I can I can know, at least I can
like resolute. This better than what we dropped three picks

(14:11):
and we dropped this many pass.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
You know, it's dropping on.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
Sidekick, Like okay, well we just get our butt beat
in the night.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Like that's what happened tonight.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
And there was there was no part of me that said, boy,
you know we caught some bad breaks. Yeah, no, at
least that was easier to handle. But yeah, both are
a terrible feeling.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
That's for sure.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
It's not fun. I can tell you that it ain't
fun at all. And the worst part, I mean the
worst part, I mean, let's be honest here is how
it opens the door for Bears fans to like talk
all sorts of junk because now they've won the division
and now they've won the division and the Packers haven't
since what twenty twenty one or whatever it is. Oh,
and now they're talking junk about Jordan Love. It's like, man,

(14:56):
do the Packers not care about my online health exactly?
And what it is to live in these Twitter streets? Like,
you know, can you think about us for a seconds?

Speaker 3 (15:07):
That's right, It's about time they have your guys bat bad, I.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Mean, but they don't. This is my point, like I
made this. We just start thinking.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
About your back, Aaron, then carry that back. Do you
know what I'm saying? Their water all the time, they
should carry some for you.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
I mean, at some point, ye would.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
You've been on these digital front lines defending.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
I mean two thousand and eight, I joint Twitter. We
started cheasing at TV in two thousand and seven, the
year before Twitter even existed.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Man, you know good year to start, I mean, holy cow.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Then all of a sudden, then I was thinking of
January because that was the last game of that year
that I've I've watched on YouTube because apparently now, uh,
my son has just dug into this Misery Loves Company
deal and all he wants to watch is the Packer
playoff losses.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
And no, no, yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Tough to how that happen.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I don't know, but he keeps saying, uh, Packers forty
nine ers and forty.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Nine win, and I'm like, dude, we can't be doing this.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
There's too many opportunities for this to be able to
see because there's so many like the.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Stat that came out on Saturday, there's one coming up
in a few weeks.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, yeah, I said, don't worry, we'll get we'll get
this Episonic episode nine or whatever, and we'll get to
bash our heads in with those toy hammers you got
for the Frogs later on. But there there's a spot
there where you're like, whoa, there's no way that you've
given up more first downs in a first half than twenty.

(16:32):
There's no way. Oh, actually you did it in an
NFC title game. Within this last decade in twenty sixteen,
the most first half first downs twenty of them since
Atlanta in say, seventeen. Like, it's just unbelievable how that
game ends up stacking up with the terrible, terrible halves
of football you've sent.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
You maybe have Ladarius Gunter, why did you do Various Gunter?

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Baby? Or how about at the end of that game
when they had LaTroy guay On playing guard because they
were so decimated wise.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
I remember that.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
I'll never forget that LaTroy Guya your left guard.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Jordan Nelson had to play with like six bulletproof vestals
and they're trying to protect his broken ribs.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Oh my god, he did?

Speaker 3 (17:09):
I mean, I had this.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
I did have this thought yesterday as I was looking
at my wounds from Saturday night. You know, it is
kind of fun that we're getting all of the heartbreak
and all of the kind of echoes of past heartbreak
out of the way. We had the you know, twenty
fourteen facsimile in Chicago where we lost in a very
similar fashion, and then against the Ravens, we had the

(17:31):
same type of performance run defense wise as we did
that game against A couple games against the forty nine ers,
whether you choose the one in the.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Cold where Boeen right there that we watched on or.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Go back, go back to the game in San Francisco
where they ran for two hundred plus yards and Zadaria
Smith is still turning around trying to figure out where
the ballcarrier is. You know, it's like we've been here,
Like I've had this kind of pain before. So yeah, okay,
it's not the same steaks. So I'm okay heading into
this kind of what's essentially going to be an exhibition
preseason game for the Packers on Sunday against the Vikings.

(18:08):
I also enjoy the fact that we can put to bed.
We do not have to worry. The decision has already
been made when it comes to rest versus rust, because
I was not down for a week plus of should
they play the starters or not, and now that decision
has been made for them. Like I know Matt yesterday
saying no decisions have been made. You don't play anyone

(18:28):
in this game. I understand you have to feel a team.
You have to play ball. I get that, but you
don't play anybody if there's any question about like their health,
their injury status, whatever you don't play a soul in
this game in Minnesota, and if you do, your suspect.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah, I agree that you can't play guys that are
banged up to a certain extent.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
You gotta keep them healthy.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
However, I think he's in a tough spot because I
think there's more than a few fans that say we
have to try and get some positive momentum.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
And that's fine. I'm not saying I totally disagree, but.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
Either way, this is a more important game. Result wise,
the Vikings game will get to it.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
That should's it.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Is for some fans because when the Packers lose, or
if they lose, people will blame the floor.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
One way or the other.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
I wouldn't only say fans, I would say the vibes
around the football team in the locker room of being
able to put something together again, are they gonna feel
more like they can win the game against the Bears,
most likely in the wildcard round if they win or lose.
I don't say it's a non zero like the reason
is because it has been so bad as of late
that it would be something. But if there is a

(19:36):
are you gonna be eighty percent to be able to
play well?

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Then then you.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Are a zero percent to play. But uh, if you're healthy,
you're out there playing. Like to me, there's not a
whole lot of healthy scratches to the folks that have
not necessarily earned a whole lot of healthy scratches to
be able to get some good vibes rolling into the postseason.
But you're right, it definitely changed up the mathematics because
of all the Packers own doing there on Saturday night.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
No question about it. Yeah, man, I'm just talk about
watching Christian Watson go down in that meaning english game
against Chicago last year with you, I said them all,
I said everybody, but MVS. Two three years ago against
Detroit in a meaningless game goes down, completely changes their
offense against the forty nine ers and they lose that game. Like,

(20:20):
I don't if anybody anybody who can help you in
his dynamic or as a frontline player, If you got
a guy, a body that can go out there for him,
you put him out there. I want Donovan Jennings to
get action on Sunday. Like That's where I'm at.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
That's agree to disagree, Yeah, because you do need to
have some kind of positivity.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
You gotta have something and listen. You also at some point, I'm.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Gonna be very positive watching Donovan Jennings get his feet
wet in the NFL. That's where I'm gonna be. Okay.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
I know there's gonna be a lot that I agree
with Billy too on this, and a lot that agree
with you, Aaron. That's why I think this is more
interesting than people think coming up.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
I'm just glad that you know, we get more Packers
football to get this taste out of our mouth because
that was awful on Saturday night and they need to
change the narrative around the team there. I agree that.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
I'll tell you it's not gonna change. It's not gonna change.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
If you put Donovan Jennings out there against the team
that's playing full bore in his one four straight. You
think the positive vibes are coming, playing Clayton Tune on Sunday,
you got another thing coming.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Well, okay, let's not go crazy with Clayton tuone. You
gotta play the league, will It's obviously, I mean, you
got to operate.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Is he gonna play the entire game?

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Well, if this shoulder holds up.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
You said, anybody dynamic, He's he was pretty damn dynamic
on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
I'm not putting him out there, then.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
I'm putting him out there. Come on, now, let's go,
let's let's let's operate on offense at least. I mean, now,
what a great story that would be.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
It would almost be like Max Brosmer beating the Minnesota
and beating the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Hey, there you go, old boy. In New Orleans, they
won four in a row with Tyler Shark.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
He's playing out of his mind, talking about a guy
who's really grabbed his opportunity. And yeah, no, I don't
expect that from Clayton tune. God bless him for going
in there on Saturday night and doing what he could.
Catch the ball.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Next time there, I felt bad for I was gonna call.
I was like, don't be calling him tiny to anyone
out there, Joe, I wasn't gonna have it.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
I didn't hear that.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
No one was but you.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
I'm glad.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
I'm glad yourself to shut off.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
He was talking to another part of any.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Sort of tune like Joe, like playing.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Words there so good talking to the angel on the
other shoulder.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
We had more angels and devils on the flip side
that's Billy. I'm Aaron along with Arman here on Carry
the G Radio. Or the close of the season, your
Packers traveling to Minnesota to take on the Vikings. Carry

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(23:24):
the G Radio. And let's take a look at this
week's heart stopping play of the week. Guys, I don't
know about you, but I did find it almost humorous
how we talked about the quarterback draw from the Ravens
at the end of the first half and their guy
waltzes downfield for like a thirty plus yard game. We

(23:44):
run a quarterback draw down near the red zone and
Malik Willis has to turn into Superman, bouncing off guys
spin moves just to gain a first down. But that's
exactly what he did. I will say I thought he
was dead to rights three times on that play for
all of his exploits, phenomenal work through the air, big

(24:07):
touchdown runs with his legs. That play, to me, you
talk about everything this kid is about, never give up,
totally dynamic athlete. That showed everything from Malik Willis. That
was such a phenomenal play. Obviously sucks it comes in
a losing cause as far as the game itself, but man,

(24:28):
that play and really his whole night just outstanding and
you'd love to see it for a guy who has
clearly worked his ass off to get to this point
where he is going to be no doubt a sought
after free agent this offseason.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, in Naggs, that's where you know I've I've pushed.
The heart stopping play ended up being a very heart
pumping play because it was one where the blood started flowing, like,
oh my god, there is some life and there's.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Something life here.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Yeah, because the amount of packing in conversation, I would
say that strictly for one side of the football I did.
I think the offense came in pretty pretty damn ready
to roll in play and fought their ass off knowing
it was Malik Willis's best opportunity to put something on
tape in a standalone night game with playoff implications.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Right, So, like I would, I do give some real,
real love to talk about a little bit of a
battered unit on offense.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
I thought they protected decently well and I thought they
didn't They weren't called upon to run because they were
down the entire game. But I don't know that they
were really going to be able to either way. But
they they played hard and they were really well prepared
on offense. It just sucks that the other side of
the football just doesn't arrive to the party and be
listened in it, because it would have been a great

(25:44):
night to make the real Malik Willis game, and that
one would have been a whole lot better than winning
sixteen to thirteen against Anthony Richardson, who I think makes
four more starts in his NFL career last year.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, yeah, and you're not You're spot on. As far
as Lafleurie admitted yesterday. You know, there were a couple
runs early in the game where we were like not
getting any kind of push and there was no daylight
for any of the backs, and he's just set screw it,
We're going to the air, you know. And look, I'm
I'm I'm happy for that decision, But where is that

(26:17):
the rest of the season. Like I get it's he
thinks it's gonna be a shootout. They go down fourteen seven,
and then they go for it on fourth down, and
then I was seventeen seven, et cetera. But man, it's like,
why does it take that kind of moment for him
to you know, loosen the reins, so to speak, and
then they come out gunning that big shot up the
left sideline to Romeo dots, which, by the way, I

(26:40):
very much appreciated that because you gotta think Dobbs has
had a week right after everything that happened in Chicago,
everyone talking about it, they talking about him, et cetera.
To open the game with a shot play to Romeo.
I loved the call, and I love that Romeo executed
it and got that moment to kind of maybe somewhat
get that monkey off his back and go mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
I loved it, loved every bit of it because it
also emphasized a need probably in the locker room to
double down on hey man, this is still gonna be
our guy. Right, like Rich Masaci said, he's gonna be
back out there, right, and he's gonna be if we
have a hand steam situation, gonna be out there. But
it was also for the offense to say, hey, he's
gonna be out here because he's maybe our best receiver, right,
like he's maybe our surest handed receiver. And then for

(27:23):
Christian Watson to just be as dynamic of a playmaker
as he probably won a lot of people some fantasy
championships this weekend or probably lost a bunch of them.
For some idiot that was driving up I forty three
and was like, you know what, there's no way they're
throwing it. There's just no way they're throwing it. The
wind is pretty serious. It's gonna start raining, and then
sat for Kyle Manunga.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
That was a great decision.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Make sure you had that dumb button ready, feeling frustrated
their abillity only a.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Little, only only a little, but the one that really
would would trip your trigger, and the one that Armond
knows and I'll send you a screenshot of it. I
had a long, long, pieced together winner at the Pottawatomy
Sportsbook that turned loser because we decided to not kick
extra points now, like now we don't. We don't punt,
we don't kick field goals, we don't kick extra points.

(28:15):
Even if you are in a situation where you have
given up seventeen yards and the opponent has not completed
a forward past in the second half, we just say,
you know what, no, we gotta win it right now,
We got.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
To do it. We're talking here right, Bill's Eagles here.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
That was exactly what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
You know, one of those situations, one of those great
situations that re emphasizes and and points out because we
do only get frustrated with one team because a lot
of times we watch one team, right and the coaching
malpractice or mal seasons. As our friend Larry mccaarroon would
like to say, malfeass always only see one coach. We're like,
this guy sucks fu managing the clock, this guy never

(29:00):
has his team ready to play.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
And man, you watch the rest of the NFL and
then literally every fan base is miserables.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Watching this stuff.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
I don't think anybody actually likes watching their favorite team
because everybody hates everything they're coaching.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
It's awesome to be able to witness no fan base
is really happy, it seems.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Although I'll say, I'll say I think forty nine Ers
fans are pretty happy with Shanahan. Sure, no, no, no, no,
Like what's so funny though? To that point, Arman, there
were and there are They are out there. It's on
the internet. You can go look at it. People who
said earlier this season, oh, well, you know, Shanahan's run
time has run its course, et cetera, like he should
be out of here. And now look at them now. Yeah,

(29:42):
it was really the big game last night. Now you
can look at Salah and go your unit, What's what's
going on here?

Speaker 2 (29:49):
My guy?

Speaker 1 (29:50):
But amazing call at the end, two man rushed with
a spy on Caleb Williams was an inspired call, I
will admit. But it is funny how that wind shifts
as soon as winning starts happening, right like I get it.
The drum beat is going now because they've a lot
of the Packers have lost three in a rows, so
now the lafleur stuff starts up. It feels like a
you know, a broken dance at this point that we

(30:12):
always have to kind of trot through. But I'm I'm
here to say in no way, shape or form should
Matt Lafleur be fired. And I am sick and tired
of every single loss drumming up the kind of conversation
which I'm adding to now because I'm voicing it. But man,
it's so tiring. It's like, to your point, Billy, everybody's

(30:32):
having these conversations. The Eagles won that game, and their
whole media is obsessed with the fact that they couldn't
move the ball in the second half and Siriani's lost
his touch and blah blah blah. It's like, man, these
games are hard. These games are exponentially more difficult than
people give it credit for it. And I understand it
sucks to lose, but there's no one that feels that

(30:53):
more than the people in that building at twelve sixty five. Yeah,
So like the idea that every single game as a
monster referendum just drives me insane. Well, I just get
nuts about it.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, in Naggs, I brought it up, and I actually
feel bad because it's probably probably put him in a
tough spot. But when Wayne Larry joined us earlier on today,
I had mentioned it like, I don't know that if
if you if you shot ed policy with truth serum.
I don't know that he would have. Maybe he anticipated

(31:26):
the unending conversation that the statement and the non extensions brought, right,
Like if he would have known the kind of consternation
in the fan base and you know, potentially the locker room. Right,
this is something that we don't know, is how much
of it is heard, thought of, known, listen to. It's

(31:47):
definitely asked of Matt Moore this year than it ever
has in his ten year. If those statements in the
beginning of the year were worth it, right, Like, we
wanted to add a little urgency. We wanted to let
people know, like, hey man, I'm the new guy in charge. There,
I'd be some moving and shaking. No, I'm not committing
to anything. I'm hoping if indeed is like you know,
I'm gonna we'll answer that question at the end of

(32:08):
the year. Right, And maybe that would have added more
more unknown and more consternation.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Because then people are more guessing even more.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
But damn that pepper being thrown in there.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
I don't know that we realized that it was a
true ghost pepper that was going to bring heat and
spice all year to what otherwise is kind of a
simmer and like, if indeed you lose this upcoming week
in a game that doesn't mean anything in terms of
the win loss record, and you win to the wildcard,
are you losing the wild card round? I said it
earlier today, and I'll stand by like, I will not

(32:39):
say that I would move on from Laflor, but I
would much much more understand the conversation if you lose
five straight games get bounced in the first round when
earlier in the year you were the odds on favorite
to win the Super Bowl. Context matters, injuries absolutely matter,
but the conversation feels with everything around it. They've added
to it, I think, and I don't know they've planned

(33:01):
on doing it, but it is an understandable conversation this
year far more than ever before.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Same deal.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
They win on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
They've won thirty games in the regular season over the
last three years. Not a whole lot of organizations are
more well from a coach that does that.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
But there's the kind of point, right, if you are
at policy, you are going to draw back and look
at the totality of at least the time from the
moment they traded Rogers till now right, and the fact
that they have made the playoffs all three years with
the youngest team, et cetera. But it has only been
the seventh seed all three years. And if you are

(33:35):
policy and you're looking at okay, are there games where
you know that we've kicked away because of coaching, there's
cases to be made there, Like you can look at
games throughout the course of the last three years in
the regular season where all right, that probably whether it's
special teams, whether it's decision making, clock management, what have you,

(33:57):
And then maybe that becomes Okay, I want my own
guy in there.

Speaker 5 (34:01):
I don't think you go that way. I don't think
they should go that way. But again, it's at policies call.
Everything else is just guesswork. I'll understand if he pulls
back and has that view, I don't think you should.
I actually honestly think they'll give him an extension. But
it is going to be fascinating to watch play out
in the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
And it would be hilarious to see what that is.
Because I'm with you, I think he gets a two
year and an option, and the heat is going to
be hilarious. We threw in a lot of different fun ones.
On the ride home after Packers, T Drew Olsen and
I while we're listening to Nags just dismantle these super
The amount of super chance you got on Saturday night was,

(34:42):
I mean a lot.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
I was.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
I was really happy for you. I'm hearing every single
time Nags and thanks for the super chat. I'm getting
a little fist pup, like, let's go my point. You
want to talk about paying the Red Bay and the mortgage,
let's ride. Because for three hundred on listen so people say,
if it bleeds, it reads it.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
There was a lot of anger going on on sach.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
We had more calls on Packers OT that late into
the night than we've had for because that that big
game will breed that type of reaction and a lot
of people. And I'm glad that we're having the conversation
because that's how people broach it. Instead of saying I
want met la Flora for I said, what is the
time to have the conversation? On Matt Lafloor, I made
ten times, Well, guess what, we're having a conversation.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
And I got news for you.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
We're always having the conversation. So the conversation's being had.
So for all of you the call in and say
when's the time to have a conversation.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
It's ongoing. Welcome to it.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Also, we're doing fine. Also, thanks for calling.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Also, we've all been a Packer fans our whole lives
and watching the games.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Those are my favorite. Those are the best win. I've
been a Packers fan since nineteen ninety six. Well, everything
you're about to say comes with a monster.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
How about the god believe that told about the god
Belllion that told you a couple weeks ago. I'm you know,
I'm old love to remember the twenty fourteen that as
the championship game.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
I'm like, yeah, you're eleven. I remember that I was eleven.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
We all remember that. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
There are some there are some Twitter accounts that Naggs
has to fight with that I'm not I'm not certain.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
I'm not certain of that. No, what they might be
a less than eleven, They might be less, they might
be less.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
The one the one that said almost made me star
farm that was good.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
The one that said I was unfamiliar with Jason's work
was definitely I thought my favorite, my favorite. Well, Holy
Welcome to the world, Welcome to life, Welcome to football
life in Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Oh my gosh, Well we're just getting going. We got
a bunch of super chats as you just mentioned. Let's
go get to on the flip side. We'll do that.
We'll talk more about this unbelievably depressing game against the Ravens,
try and flip the script and get ready for a
meaningless game against the Vikings before marching into the playoffs

(36:53):
as the team no one is scared to face. Very
exciting times in Green Bay, Wisconsin. For Billy, I'm Aaron
Moore carry the g Radio right after this ill schmid
armand sorry and and Aaron Nagler taking you through the
process grief, anger, acceptance. Wherever you're at, we're here for

(37:14):
you because Gosh knows, there's a lot to unpack. And
we've got folks on the chiese at TV YouTube chat.
They're they're they're chatting. Bill here here chatting, you're ready,
and our good old friend Mike Witt's here to pay
the bills. Mike starting us off with I know I
am in a your type of fan, but I expected
a little more of a jump from Cooper this year.

(37:34):
He's still good. Just thought he'd take a bigger step.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
That's fair, very fair, very fair.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
I do think he's played very very well. But I
think when you're talking about that next step, and I
think a lot of people thought, and myself I include here,
we thought we'd see more big plays, right, more big
consequential game changing plays. He has been down in and
down out pretty damn excellent. But the game changing plays,

(38:02):
the big sacks, interceptions, stripsack fumbles, anything of that nature,
they have been largely absent. And I do understand maybe
a little bit of frustration there.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
I think it's the recovery he recovers the fumble against
the Broncos that Parsons forces like there's a couple of
individual ones in there. He's got the peanut Hertz there,
so like he's he's got a couple.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
But you're right.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
I think we all did think that, like it was
gonna go from year one outstanding start, year two prime
ray Lewis, and so.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Like there might be.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
No but right, I think the thought was like boom.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Transcendent player, like hey man, and it's not out of
the realm of possibility. The best linebacker of the last decade,
inside linebacker the last decade. Luke Heigley argue that, uh,
he goes defensive Rookie of the Year, Defensive Player of
the Year, and year two. Right, So, like the thought
that you can do that progression is not crazy, it's
not unheard of, it's not crazy. Now he's also a

(39:02):
first ballot Hall of Famer. But I do believe like
the excitement was, we got him, we got the guy.
And I think he's been very, very good. And when
you go back to it, Nags, you're spot on the
tape shows like he's gotten better.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
He has gotten better.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Has he been the best inside linebacker in football?

Speaker 1 (39:24):
No?

Speaker 2 (39:25):
And I wonder if in the roster build and in
the construction of the team, if they kind.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
Of banked on that being the case, right, like Gray
rookie year. But we expect you to be all of
a sudden special, a pro. And sometimes expectation is the
worst thing that you can have, because then it changes
the conversation around.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
You, well, it colors the perception of whatever it is
you do based on those expectations. Corey and I have
talked about that all season long. Because of the late
trade for Michael Parsons switching everything up right as far
as what the expectations for this team were, and then
those first two weeks happen, and then that just gets
put on steroids, and then that colors the perception of
the team for the remainder of the season, which I get,

(40:02):
totally understand it, And to your point, yeah, I do
think that definitely plays into how Cooper is viewed. Now.
That said, he's actually coming off a game where Yep,
he's just as disappointing as everyone totally, you know what
I mean, Like, there's little doubt that there are plenty
of plays that you can point in that game where
he gets taken advantage of, gets out muscled, gets out leveraged,

(40:22):
what have you. But I think down in and down
out throughout the season, he's been really good.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
That would be the that's the that's the overarching take
is like he has been good and and I also think,
and this is again it's a hard day to sing
the praise of the inside linebackers after they get it is,
but I think him and Quay have shown that they
are legit pairing and they're a really that they're a
really good duo.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Are they the best duo in football? Again?

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Maybe not, but there's a belief that, like, we're either
going to be the best or we gotta scrap it
and run run high again.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
And like I think that, I think you can have
middle Brown there.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
They win, they win more because of those guys instead
of those guys being hindrances into them being successful.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
I very much agree, however, and now we're a little
early on this conversation. There is going to come a
point this offseason, most likely where they're gonna have to
make a decision on Quaywalker Hm contractually. And I know
Brian has repeatedly talked about always a core member of
our defense and what we want to do on defense,
And to your point, they work well together. And I
do think some of Quay's kind of fall off here

(41:25):
because I thought Quay was playing very well at the
start of the season. He's certainly not been the same
since going out with the injury earlier this year. He's
come back and it hasn't been great, There's no doubt
about that. But I do think it's going to be
a tough sell cap wise to say, Okay, we're going
to pay him market rate to keep him off the
free agent market. When man that's going to cost you

(41:48):
a pretty penny. And you already are swimming in these
kind of top heavy contracts. I can't imagine them laying
out big money for Kuaywalker.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, especially if there's a certain a certain number fifth
fifty two million dollars cap hit. But like a cap hit,
a dead cap hit that's incoming for a couple of
individuals that might not be on the roster coming up
next year, and that that changes the financials of it.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
It most certainly does. Man, we got some van Halen
going on here.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Bring the heat.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
That's where we go. Come on, now, we got a
lot of heat coming up. We that's one hour just
flown by boys. We're gonna need another three hours to
get all of this in. That's all I know.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Each touched onn by Henry Well.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
You know, why do you gotta go there? Why couldn't
people like Willis touchdowns? Why I gotta be Henry? Why
you gotta be negative Billy? Oh, we'll get all the
positive energy out the next one. That's billion arm and
I'm Aaron our two who carried the g radio