More calls about Dr Husel

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Chuck Douglas in the Power our six ten WTV and
sometimes things just say that they light and Mark and
I both chuckle over this where you think you've got
everything all planned out, you're all ready to go, and
you say one word in boom, the phone's light up
and you just say, you know, I surrender. I do
have John standing why you want to talk about this
California mayor. So John, don't you leave me because I

(00:21):
have a feeling you and I are probably on the
same page. And I'm not even sure where the calls
regarding the doctor Hustle case came from. I guess the
Zach you posted the podcast on Monday from last week's
show when we did this live.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, the first couple of people said they were they
heard on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, so that the value of the podcast, which you
can find by the way six ten WTVN dot com.
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So you have to actually type in Chuck Douglas, it
will take you to my podcast and then subscribe to
the podcast. That way, every time Zach posts the episode,
you'll get a little reminder on your phone to tell you, hey,
the guy's saying something else outrageous. Sometimes it is or
sometimes it's just stupid. The doctor use will show though.
I just and as I was telling the caller right

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before we went to the break, Rochelle, this isn't this
isn't a I support the doctor, I support the process.
I support the American tradition of getting your day in court,
and from what I have seen, that's not happening here.
And Rochelle was urging me, you know, maybe other media
is staying away from it for a reason. Well, because

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other media is staying away from it, it's a little
difficult for me to stand here on the outside of
this situation and understand why you would be denied that
day in court, even if it is. How many frivolous
lawsuits are filed every day around the country, And if
this guy believes he's got, you know, what, he needs

(02:03):
to go into court, and when shouldn't he have the opportunity,
Just as I would expect for myself people are constantly
suing for you know, discrimination of one sort or another,
or my coffee was too hot, or my hair sprayed,
didn't hold or whatever. This is a guy who went
to school, became a doctor, passed his test, got his license,

(02:25):
was practicing as a position, and based on accusations that
went to court and he was found not guilty of
Whether you agree with it or not, the court found
him not guilty on fourteen counts. In the meantime, he
has suffered to the point where, you know, the reports
are that he's sleeping on a floor in an apartment
and his daughter is in a lawn chair. They don't

(02:48):
have at the house or the practice, or furniture or whatever.
And I can understand being motivated at this point to
go in and say, look, I deserve some sort of damages.
For I deserve to be made whole again. I was
found not guilty. And whether he is or not, however,
the jury, for I believe he and all of us

(03:10):
deserve that day in court. That is that is really
the basis of the American legal system and justice for
all or maybe that's just me A two one ninety
six A two one WTV And let's get back to
these calls here so we can get you done before
we say goodbye for the night. Jill, you are on
six ten WTV in Height, Hi.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
So I wanted to call in response to the previous
caller having concerns about the jury being pressured. One of
my siblings was on the jury and after the case
was over, they did share with me that the reason
they decided not guilty is because there are no prescribed

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maximum dosages for administering sentinel. Sentanyl was created specifically to
treat cancer. It is a drug that you develop a
resistance to the longer that you take it. The patients
that were being treated by this doctor were definitely going
to die of cancer. There was no question if they

(04:15):
would die, it was just when, and his job was
to provide comfort until that occurred. Because there is no
prescribed maximum dosage, it was not possible for the jury
to find him guilty of exceeding any specific dosage amount.
So I just felt that people should understand the reasons
that the jury decided that he was not guilty.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Well, and I would say, if that's the case, Jill,
that makes sense. I mean, it's if there's no speed
limit sign, you can't give me a ticket for speeding.
That's what it comes down to. And if there's no
prescribed limits, that makes perfect sense. I thank you for
that piece of information. That is something I did not
know I have not heard before. Again, then whether you

(05:00):
like it or not, if that's the case, not guilty
makes perfect sense. And I don't know I've said before,
I haven't been. If you've been with me any period
of time, you know you know I've been in the
hospital a couple of times. I tried not to be.
But one of the things that put me in the
hospital a couple of years ago, what they call cellulitis,
when my blood sugar was completely out of control before

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I lost the weight and everything my foot. I got
it cut on my foot became infected. My foot swelled up.
It was huge. It was actually just cracking apart. It
was terrible. I was in such pain that I was
just I would arbitrary, ah, just just stabbing pains. I'd
just scream out, no pressure on it, not standing on anything.

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It just just out of nowhere. It hurts so bad.
Finally I go to the hospital to the emergency room.
They gave me fentanyl was a red liquid. Gave me
fentanyl for this pain because I told him that. They
said on the scale of one to ten. I said, fifteen, man,
this is killing me. They gave me the fentanyl. Minutes later,
I said, this is nothing I needed. They gave me

(06:03):
more fentanyl. Another fifteen twenty minutes goes by. I said, seriously,
how does anybody get addicted to this crap? It's doing nothing.
They gave me another dose of fentanyl and I still
was in ridiculous pain. Then they gave me something what
is it called tramp trama, tramadn or tramadoor or so
it's it's a non narcotic pain reliever tramadoll or it

(06:26):
could be tramadall that sounds right. They gave me that
if it's not narcotic, and like five minutes later, the
pain had subsided. Fentanyl was doing zilch. So I seriously,
I don't understand that whole Oh it takes away my
pain thing because it it didn't with me, at least
with me. Yeah. Eight two on nine eight six A
two one WTV and A Mary. You are on the
Legacy Retirement Group dot com phone lines.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
High Hi, thank you. I worked at Mount Carmel when
doctor Hussel was down there, and my nursing history is
like thirty years in half this, I have a unique perspective.
But I wanted to make a comment about all the
other people that lost their job in his wake. You know,
when he was let go all of a sudden, pharmacists

(07:08):
and floor nurses and other people just kind of summarily
lost their jobs as well.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, I've gotten a note here from my first college tonight.
I made a note that I want to check into that.
She said like thirty five people associated people lost jobs,
and I want to follow up on that.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
And so with him, with him all of a sudden
being found not guilty, which to me is very different
from innocent because to me, not guilty means the prosecution
did it, meant it's burden of proof. Your prior caller
is correct. There's no ceiling on fentanyl and morphine, et cetera.
So you can keep escalating the dose doesn't make it right.
The reason sentanel worked for you, most likely is because
the triumadel potentiated the fentanel made it work better. So

(07:45):
there are ways that you don't have to just keep
increasing the dose. You can give other meds that sort
of two things are better than one and they make
each other greater. But the folks that all lost their jobs,
I'm wondering if he was so his been denied his
chance to have his day in court, because now you're
looking at thirty five some people that say, hey, well

(08:05):
wait a minute, I'm downstream from Hussel. If he would
sound not guilty, then I'm not guilty.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
I agree. In fact, I would like to see if
maybe I can find out I'd love to see something
resembling a what's the word a bordered class action if
you will, of doctor Hughessel, and you know, at all,
as they say, all those thirty five people going against
some sort of reimbursement, some sort of something.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, reputations, ruined careers in the toilet, you know, retirements
out the window, and so it's not just him. Then
he's got the high profile. And I never, thank heaven,
had to carry out one of his orders. I was
lucky enough even though I worked there at the same time.
He was never the physician when I had a patient,
but I had coworkers who did. There was discussions of

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what do you think about this order? Because I you know,
pay management and hospice and end of life cares and
my forte and stuff and that once or twice I
said to somebody, I don't know that i'd give it,
like I need to see the patient's background. Are they
are they, you know, opioid naive? Are they tolerant of it?

Speaker 4 (09:03):
Like?

Speaker 2 (09:03):
What's the scope? And this might spur the pharmacy industry
or to do research to say, hey, we should put
a ceiling on some of these. Or once you get
to two hundred ivy or something, before you can increase
the dose, you have to try to give it a
secondary something. You have to add a potentiating medication.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
And you know what, this sounds really stupid, very I
don't know the exposure that this doctor had to other people,
but if I had met him and he heard the
story that I just told you, he might have gone,
you know, let's try this. You never know what kind
of influence you have on another human being. Right, But
this stuff was introduced as you know, the ultimate opioid.

(09:41):
It was going to remove the pain. And how many
things are we in court right now over what was
supposed to be the ultimate that turned out to be
nothing but poison in society?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Right, that's so true my thought when I was listening
to which I enjoy your show. I'm driving home today
from seeing patients and I'm listening it's not no I
have to call and give my two cents because of
all the my opinion, innocent bystanders who were trying to
do their job, follow the doctor's orders, whether they questioned
it or not, but their careers are in tatters. And
in particular, I did work with several pharmacists who I

(10:12):
could name, and several response team nurses who you know
you call them to the floor when your patient is tanking,
that are just excellent, excellent clinician, clinicians, professional, the whole thing,
would teach you on the spot how to take care
of somebody, and they were just summarily dismissed. So I
wonder if in the back of someone's mind somewhere, well,
if we do this for Juice Will and let him

(10:32):
have his dan court, now we've got thirty five other
people that we have to get. Doesn't make it right.
But I was wondering, like, what happens, what happens to
those people? I really don't know what jobs anybody else got,
but it's more than just him. He's the public face
of this whole debacle.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
I'm absolutely with you. I'm with you and Mary. Before
I say goodbye, let me say thank you for thirty
plus years of healing and taking care of people. You're appreciated.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Oh, thank you very much. I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
I've had many nurses that have made terrible experiences much
better experiences. Larry, talk fast here as we're getting close
to the end of the show. We're on sixth natvn.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Okay, I can talk fast. And the one thing that
many things that haven't been considered in any of the
discussions is that Columbus police did an investigation. An experienced
prosecutor around Brian O'Brien was the prosecutor at the time.

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He took the case, feeling it was justified, and presented
it to the grand jury, which indicted the defendant. The
insurance company paid off to the estate of Patience before

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that ever went to trial. They were paying off quickly
because I knew two of the cousins that were paid
off from one woman that died at that hospital, and
they were paid off insurance company. There was a settlement
made to all those people, or at least many of

(12:06):
them for the death. Now, when it went to trial,
there was a new prosecutor in Franklin County.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
I'm sorry, but I'm out of time here. I have
got to run.