July 6, 2026 • 14 mins
Florida U.S. Rep. Mike Haridopolos (R-FL 8) joined Preston for a wide-ranging discussion.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Back at it after the long weekend. It's Monday, July
sixth Welcome Friends, Show five thousand, six hundred and thirty
four of the Morning Show with Preston, Scott and Preston.
He is Jose and this is a voice we have
not heard in a very long time. He is US
Congressman Mike Herodopolis from Florida's eighth district. Congressman. How in
(00:27):
the world are you.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I am doing so well. Thank you so much for
having me on, Preston, great to hear your voice.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It has been a minute, as the kids like to say,
since you and I have chatted. You were in the
state legislature. Explain how different it is serving the state
as a state senator versus now as a member of Congress.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, there's two. I think there's two distinct differences, Preston.
One is, of course we're danting with foreign policy issues,
national defense issues, which I love as a former history teacher.
It's very exciting talk to get involved in. And I
think the biggest difference for your listeners between being in
Congress versus being in the legislature is this. When I
was in the legislature before I became the President of
(01:07):
the Senate, you would serve on four or five committees,
so you invariably see almost every issued one of your
committees before you had a final vote on the floor.
Here in Congress, very different. I serve on two committees.
One I chair the Space Committee, and I'm also on
Financial Services. They oversee banking, stock market, crypto, insurance, et cetera.
(01:29):
That's where I serve. Those are the issues I deal
with almost primarily. So when there's an issue on the environment,
or for that matter, foreign policy or healthcare, I really
don't see that issue in depth until I get to
a final vote on the floor. Those are the two
biggest differences that I see as far as actual policymaking.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
How much do you pay attention to what goes on
the state of Florida. You're clearly you're a resident of
the state of Florida, But how much are you paying
attention to what you know, the House and the Senate,
the governor are doing, oh every day.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I mean, it was a pretty tumultuous year, as you know,
in the legislature that you're back and forth among Republicans.
That's something that I keep my own closely, and plus
I work really closely with state legislators and of course
locally elected officials because they're coming to me saying, can
we get some federal dollars for whether it be healthcare,
the environment, especially in River Lagoon that I represent, space,
(02:22):
you name it. And so I have a policy where
let's get everybody involved if we're ever going to have Washington,
DC involved, so that everyone has the skin in the game,
so to speak. So I think close contact with him,
no doubt.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
The last time he was on the program with US now,
Congressman Mike Herodopolis was the Senate President in the state legislature.
He joins US again representing Florida's eighth congressional district. Congressman,
let's talk about the tension that exists between the House
and the Senate, particularly as it revolves around the Save
Act and the unwillingness of the leadership in the Senate
(02:56):
to bring this to a vote when by my account,
was soon in Collins now switching her decision on this.
The votes are there to pass this thing if they
just let the filibuster happen.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I couldn't agree with you more. It's been incredibly frustrating.
As you know, I think we've passed the Safe America
Act three or four times now. It is the most
common sense thing. I'm still shocked at fourteen states don't
require voter ID, which is insane. And second, of course,
it's so logical that only Americans should vote in American elections,
and so we're cautiously optimistic we can find a way
(03:31):
to get this done so that people will know that
when you go to vote, you have the confidence that
it's only Americans voting and they're doing the ID checks
so that we don't have any of the chaos that
we saw and frustrations, whether be twenty sixteen or twenty twenty,
and especially after ten million people came into the country
illegally during the Biden years. I think we can get
(03:53):
something done. We should and if necessary, we should have
the talking filibuster as they call it, meaning remember when
they passed the Civil Rights Bill, they took the time
to make sure that they went through by forcing those
people to talk on the floor. We should do something
with the Save America Act. I think it's well worth
the effort, especially in the dulgrums of the summer here
in Washington, d Z.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, especially with eighty plus percent of the country supporting
it on both sides of the ale without giving away
anything that you can't What what is the speaker telling
the Republican Caucus needs to happen? What are the ideas
to get the Save Act across the finish line?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Well, I think what we need to tie it to
essential legislation and put it in what we call reconciliation.
As you know pressed and when we passed a big
bill last summer which cut taxes on overtime tips solid security.
Of course, it's got its to border security dollars. We
needed to finally secure the border. That's reconciliation. That's where
we know we can't get any Democrat votes. They won't
(04:52):
pass anything to help us, and so we're going to
have to do through the budget process. That is the
way we're going to go. My guess is we'll have
another vote on reconciliation, probably in early August, so that
we can get this done. But it's been incredibly frustrating.
The Democrats have said no to anything common sense, and
we're going to have to go that route because the
(05:14):
traditional route is always blocked. As we talked about earlier
in the filibuster or cloture process, where you need sixty
votes in the Senate, No way know how. The only
person we could probably get is Fettermen, of all people
other than that, the Democrats have shut down business.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well I was just going to say, John Fetterman is
committed to the Save Act. I'm curious to now tying
it to reconciliation, perhaps lose him.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well again, in that case, still be it. I mean,
we need to go it alone. The only way to
get it is reconciliation. There's no way you're going to
find seven Democrats to go against their base. As you're
seeing not just in New York City but in Colorado.
They're going to promote radical people you've ever heard run
for office, let alone win a nomination. And so you're
(06:00):
facing a base in the Democrat Party. If anybody votes
for anything resembling the say back, they'll never get re elected.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Mike the President, for the first time that I can recall,
at least publicly spoke against, spoke out about the communist
and socialist movement inside the Democrat Party. I've talked about it.
It's a Democrat problem. They've got to deal with it,
probably more so than the Conservatives or Republicans do. But
(06:30):
talk about that in general. What are your thoughts on
this sudden rise of this that some of us have
been paying attention to for a long time. But is
this a reflection as an educator guy who love to
teach history, is this a reflection of what's going on
in our public schools or maybe what's not being taught?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Well, you nieled my answer. I think you're a spot
on present. This is what happens when you have people
who are pushing an anti American agenda in too many
of our public schools. They talk about the failures of
the United States opposed to the amazing success story of
two hundred and fifty years, and you have this ideology
that is really counter to what It made America the
(07:09):
most successful nation in the world, the most prosperous nation
in the world, to enjoy of the most freedom. And
there's a reason why people went to live here. It's
because of the opportunities. And it is the reflection and unfortunately,
we need to re educate people of the failures of communism,
let alone socialism. You can't point to a socialist the
country today that is anywhere near the success of America.
(07:32):
And what makes America such a special nation is not
the automatic result, it's the automatic opportunity for freedom. I mean,
some of the richest successful people in the world we're
not even born in this country, but they took advantage
of the opportunity that capitalism affords, not a government handout,
but an opportunity. And so this is what we need
(07:53):
you as elected officials, re educate people of the power
of tax cuts, the power of free markets, of the
rule of law as opposed to this radical idea that
has failed. And ironically, South America is moving in the
path of freedom. Yep, we're here. In North America, we're
going in the opposite direction. It's insane.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I think one of the best things that's happened for
our nation is the World Cup, because we've got so
many visitors of this country that are posting on social
media how amazing America is.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
That's a perfect example. You know, it's one thing to listen,
it's better to quote watch with your eyes. You come
to America and you see all of these opportunities and
going to different stores and the prices for that matter
versus Europe and the freedom of movement. It's just an
amazing place to be. And this is why people need
to readdress what's really going on here. And the good
(08:46):
thing about elections, it's not about perfection, it's about contrast,
and we're going to show the differences between one group
of people want to empower the government to have more
power among fewer people. We're saying just the opposite. Let's
put money and power back in the States. Let's get
money and power back to individuals so they can decide
(09:08):
how they want to spend the money, as opposed to
the government saying they know what's best. That's the fundamental
difference in our philosophy and theirs, because remember this old
Soviet Union or or even some a lot of European nations.
You send so much money to the government that they
make all the decisions of how your dollars that you
earned are actually being spent.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Congressmen, you're not alone serving up there in Washington, DC.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
No, not at all. It's an exciting time. My wife,
as many people know, who is really involved in with
the of course, putting on the board of Medicine with
Rick Scott. Later, of course she headed Toe to Healthy Kids,
and when the Trump administration heard about her spectacular background
as a medical doctor, she is now the acting Surgeon
General of the United States, which is very exciting. We
(09:54):
are living a very unique lifestyle here you are and
works with of course RFK Junior with the Maha movement
every single day. Of course, also doctor Oz who's been
so awesome on taking on fraud here in the government,
and of course working with Donald Trump. So she has
been a whirlwind and it's exciting to watch her spread
(10:15):
her wings and really help out bringing more of Florida
to Washington, DC.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
What are your expectations for the mid terms.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I'm cautiously optimistic. I mean, as we talked about earlier
in your show. I mean you talked about contract that
the Democrat Bass saying that haw KEM. Jeffries is not
liberal enough. I mean that just shows you how far
gone they are. And we've got some great candidates who
really will show that contrast. And I talked about this
and fundamentally as a history teacher, what I love about
(10:45):
what we have done is that we said we would
do a certain things when we ran for office back
in twenty four We said that we would secure the border.
No doubt we have done that. We said that we
would stop the largest tax increase of American history. Remember
had we done nothing, it would reverted back to the
old Obama rates, which around twenty three percent higher than
the rates are today. And then finally, we actually gave
(11:07):
the middle class tax cut that every been asking for
that means overtime tips social Security. We actually did that,
and I think that's a real boom for us. And
the reason we did it is to put more money
back in people's pockets who are so hard hit by inflation.
And finally, because we're seen as a capitalistic nation by
the rest of the world. Again, you see trillions of
(11:29):
dollars being invested here like never before, and so I
think we're doing better. We fel have some work to
do on prices, no doubt. Obviously this Iranian conflict hurt
us on the price issue, but the contrast is clear.
One group wants to empower the government. We think you
should have more of your own, hardered money in your pocket.
I think that message will resonate, especially given the contrast
(11:51):
in New York City and Colorado, like we spoke about
earlier today, What do.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
You think the timing is or is there an appetite
among your colleagues and the Republican side of the aisle
congressman to tackle.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
The debt, well, I think it's essential. The way we
really tackle the debt is twofold one is we need
to go out and grow the economy. That's what really
comes down to and that's how you put more money
in people's pockets. When you do that, of course, more
tax revenues come in. Second, is that with this Doze
issue so vital, it's kindly exposed some of the wasteful
(12:28):
government spending. You saw what happened in states like California, Minnesota,
primarily where they were just outright stealing money and the
government didn't care. I mean, we're talking not millions, but
tens of billions of dollars. I think that's the focus.
And once we fully kind of flesh out that Doge issue,
if we can keep the majority, I think we're going
(12:49):
to see a lot of those dollars move the right
way and we can reduce spending because they's that a
lot of it is truly wasteful or fraudulent in some cases.
That's where we're going.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
What what about making social Security more solvent? Now you
know you and I both know it is not a
guaranteed benefit that's out there that that's why it's not
on the balance sheet for the federal government. But it's
political suicide for either side of the aisle to try
to kill the thing. But it's still facing solvency issues.
(13:20):
How do we solve that, Well, that's going.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
To be the challenge of today. We're going to have
to have Republicans the Democrats hold hands. But I don't
think raising taxes is the only solution, which seems to
be the Democrats' playbook at all times. Right, I mean,
do you think about it. You've been, as you mentioned,
you've been in Tallahassee for over twenty four years doing
the radio show. Think about what go back when you're eighteen.
If your money that you put into the social security system,
(13:45):
you meaning you're seven and a half of the fifteen
percent you approximately pay in Social Security and Medicare taxes,
if you're able to keep that and then the other
half went to the beneficiaries, Imagine saving seven or eight
percent a year go into your four oh one K.
How much that will be work today if you started
when you're eighteen. So these are flexible things we need
to look at. Everything should be on the table, and
(14:09):
I'm optimistic that with the market can actually help people more,
but it's a debate we're going to have to have
long term.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Congressman. Thanks for the time this morning. Great to hear
your voice, great to have you back on the show,
and we'll do it again soon.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
My pleasure. Thanks for your time, congrats and all your success.
Back at it after the long weekend. It's Monday, July
sixth Welcome Friends, Show five thousand, six hundred and thirty
four of the Morning Show with Preston, Scott and Preston.
He is Jose and this is a voice we have
not heard in a very long time. He is US
Congressman Mike Herodopolis from Florida's eighth district. Congressman. How in
(00:27):
the world are you.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I am doing so well. Thank you so much for
having me on, Preston, great to hear your voice.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
It has been a minute, as the kids like to say,
since you and I have chatted. You were in the
state legislature. Explain how different it is serving the state
as a state senator versus now as a member of Congress.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Well, there's two. I think there's two distinct differences, Preston.
One is, of course we're danting with foreign policy issues,
national defense issues, which I love as a former history teacher.
It's very exciting talk to get involved in. And I
think the biggest difference for your listeners between being in
Congress versus being in the legislature is this. When I
was in the legislature before I became the President of
(01:07):
the Senate, you would serve on four or five committees,
so you invariably see almost every issued one of your
committees before you had a final vote on the floor.
Here in Congress, very different. I serve on two committees.
One I chair the Space Committee, and I'm also on
Financial Services. They oversee banking, stock market, crypto, insurance, et cetera.
(01:29):
That's where I serve. Those are the issues I deal
with almost primarily. So when there's an issue on the environment,
or for that matter, foreign policy or healthcare, I really
don't see that issue in depth until I get to
a final vote on the floor. Those are the two
biggest differences that I see as far as actual policymaking.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
How much do you pay attention to what goes on
the state of Florida. You're clearly you're a resident of
the state of Florida, But how much are you paying
attention to what you know, the House and the Senate,
the governor are doing, oh every day.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
I mean, it was a pretty tumultuous year, as you know,
in the legislature that you're back and forth among Republicans.
That's something that I keep my own closely, and plus
I work really closely with state legislators and of course
locally elected officials because they're coming to me saying, can
we get some federal dollars for whether it be healthcare,
the environment, especially in River Lagoon that I represent, space,
(02:22):
you name it. And so I have a policy where
let's get everybody involved if we're ever going to have Washington,
DC involved, so that everyone has the skin in the game,
so to speak. So I think close contact with him,
no doubt.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
The last time he was on the program with US now,
Congressman Mike Herodopolis was the Senate President in the state legislature.
He joins US again representing Florida's eighth congressional district. Congressman,
let's talk about the tension that exists between the House
and the Senate, particularly as it revolves around the Save
Act and the unwillingness of the leadership in the Senate
(02:56):
to bring this to a vote when by my account,
was soon in Collins now switching her decision on this.
The votes are there to pass this thing if they
just let the filibuster happen.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I couldn't agree with you more. It's been incredibly frustrating.
As you know, I think we've passed the Safe America
Act three or four times now. It is the most
common sense thing. I'm still shocked at fourteen states don't
require voter ID, which is insane. And second, of course,
it's so logical that only Americans should vote in American elections,
and so we're cautiously optimistic we can find a way
(03:31):
to get this done so that people will know that
when you go to vote, you have the confidence that
it's only Americans voting and they're doing the ID checks
so that we don't have any of the chaos that
we saw and frustrations, whether be twenty sixteen or twenty twenty,
and especially after ten million people came into the country
illegally during the Biden years. I think we can get
(03:53):
something done. We should and if necessary, we should have
the talking filibuster as they call it, meaning remember when
they passed the Civil Rights Bill, they took the time
to make sure that they went through by forcing those
people to talk on the floor. We should do something
with the Save America Act. I think it's well worth
the effort, especially in the dulgrums of the summer here
in Washington, d Z.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, especially with eighty plus percent of the country supporting
it on both sides of the ale without giving away
anything that you can't What what is the speaker telling
the Republican Caucus needs to happen? What are the ideas
to get the Save Act across the finish line?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Well, I think what we need to tie it to
essential legislation and put it in what we call reconciliation.
As you know pressed and when we passed a big
bill last summer which cut taxes on overtime tips solid security.
Of course, it's got its to border security dollars. We
needed to finally secure the border. That's reconciliation. That's where
we know we can't get any Democrat votes. They won't
(04:52):
pass anything to help us, and so we're going to
have to do through the budget process. That is the
way we're going to go. My guess is we'll have
another vote on reconciliation, probably in early August, so that
we can get this done. But it's been incredibly frustrating.
The Democrats have said no to anything common sense, and
we're going to have to go that route because the
(05:14):
traditional route is always blocked. As we talked about earlier
in the filibuster or cloture process, where you need sixty
votes in the Senate, No way know how. The only
person we could probably get is Fettermen, of all people
other than that, the Democrats have shut down business.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well I was just going to say, John Fetterman is
committed to the Save Act. I'm curious to now tying
it to reconciliation, perhaps lose him.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Well again, in that case, still be it. I mean,
we need to go it alone. The only way to
get it is reconciliation. There's no way you're going to
find seven Democrats to go against their base. As you're
seeing not just in New York City but in Colorado.
They're going to promote radical people you've ever heard run
for office, let alone win a nomination. And so you're
(06:00):
facing a base in the Democrat Party. If anybody votes
for anything resembling the say back, they'll never get re elected.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Mike the President, for the first time that I can recall,
at least publicly spoke against, spoke out about the communist
and socialist movement inside the Democrat Party. I've talked about it.
It's a Democrat problem. They've got to deal with it,
probably more so than the Conservatives or Republicans do. But
(06:30):
talk about that in general. What are your thoughts on
this sudden rise of this that some of us have
been paying attention to for a long time. But is
this a reflection as an educator guy who love to
teach history, is this a reflection of what's going on
in our public schools or maybe what's not being taught?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Well, you nieled my answer. I think you're a spot
on present. This is what happens when you have people
who are pushing an anti American agenda in too many
of our public schools. They talk about the failures of
the United States opposed to the amazing success story of
two hundred and fifty years, and you have this ideology
that is really counter to what It made America the
(07:09):
most successful nation in the world, the most prosperous nation
in the world, to enjoy of the most freedom. And
there's a reason why people went to live here. It's
because of the opportunities. And it is the reflection and unfortunately,
we need to re educate people of the failures of communism,
let alone socialism. You can't point to a socialist the
country today that is anywhere near the success of America.
(07:32):
And what makes America such a special nation is not
the automatic result, it's the automatic opportunity for freedom. I mean,
some of the richest successful people in the world we're
not even born in this country, but they took advantage
of the opportunity that capitalism affords, not a government handout,
but an opportunity. And so this is what we need
(07:53):
you as elected officials, re educate people of the power
of tax cuts, the power of free markets, of the
rule of law as opposed to this radical idea that
has failed. And ironically, South America is moving in the
path of freedom. Yep, we're here. In North America, we're
going in the opposite direction. It's insane.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I think one of the best things that's happened for
our nation is the World Cup, because we've got so
many visitors of this country that are posting on social
media how amazing America is.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
That's a perfect example. You know, it's one thing to listen,
it's better to quote watch with your eyes. You come
to America and you see all of these opportunities and
going to different stores and the prices for that matter
versus Europe and the freedom of movement. It's just an
amazing place to be. And this is why people need
to readdress what's really going on here. And the good
(08:46):
thing about elections, it's not about perfection, it's about contrast,
and we're going to show the differences between one group
of people want to empower the government to have more
power among fewer people. We're saying just the opposite. Let's
put money and power back in the States. Let's get
money and power back to individuals so they can decide
(09:08):
how they want to spend the money, as opposed to
the government saying they know what's best. That's the fundamental
difference in our philosophy and theirs, because remember this old
Soviet Union or or even some a lot of European nations.
You send so much money to the government that they
make all the decisions of how your dollars that you
earned are actually being spent.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Congressmen, you're not alone serving up there in Washington, DC.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
No, not at all. It's an exciting time. My wife,
as many people know, who is really involved in with
the of course, putting on the board of Medicine with
Rick Scott. Later, of course she headed Toe to Healthy Kids,
and when the Trump administration heard about her spectacular background
as a medical doctor, she is now the acting Surgeon
General of the United States, which is very exciting. We
(09:54):
are living a very unique lifestyle here you are and
works with of course RFK Junior with the Maha movement
every single day. Of course, also doctor Oz who's been
so awesome on taking on fraud here in the government,
and of course working with Donald Trump. So she has
been a whirlwind and it's exciting to watch her spread
(10:15):
her wings and really help out bringing more of Florida
to Washington, DC.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
What are your expectations for the mid terms.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I'm cautiously optimistic. I mean, as we talked about earlier
in your show. I mean you talked about contract that
the Democrat Bass saying that haw KEM. Jeffries is not
liberal enough. I mean that just shows you how far
gone they are. And we've got some great candidates who
really will show that contrast. And I talked about this
and fundamentally as a history teacher, what I love about
(10:45):
what we have done is that we said we would
do a certain things when we ran for office back
in twenty four We said that we would secure the border.
No doubt we have done that. We said that we
would stop the largest tax increase of American history. Remember
had we done nothing, it would reverted back to the
old Obama rates, which around twenty three percent higher than
the rates are today. And then finally, we actually gave
(11:07):
the middle class tax cut that every been asking for
that means overtime tips social Security. We actually did that,
and I think that's a real boom for us. And
the reason we did it is to put more money
back in people's pockets who are so hard hit by inflation.
And finally, because we're seen as a capitalistic nation by
the rest of the world. Again, you see trillions of
(11:29):
dollars being invested here like never before, and so I
think we're doing better. We fel have some work to
do on prices, no doubt. Obviously this Iranian conflict hurt
us on the price issue, but the contrast is clear.
One group wants to empower the government. We think you
should have more of your own, hardered money in your pocket.
I think that message will resonate, especially given the contrast
(11:51):
in New York City and Colorado, like we spoke about
earlier today, What do.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
You think the timing is or is there an appetite
among your colleagues and the Republican side of the aisle
congressman to tackle.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
The debt, well, I think it's essential. The way we
really tackle the debt is twofold one is we need
to go out and grow the economy. That's what really
comes down to and that's how you put more money
in people's pockets. When you do that, of course, more
tax revenues come in. Second, is that with this Doze
issue so vital, it's kindly exposed some of the wasteful
(12:28):
government spending. You saw what happened in states like California, Minnesota,
primarily where they were just outright stealing money and the
government didn't care. I mean, we're talking not millions, but
tens of billions of dollars. I think that's the focus.
And once we fully kind of flesh out that Doge issue,
if we can keep the majority, I think we're going
(12:49):
to see a lot of those dollars move the right
way and we can reduce spending because they's that a
lot of it is truly wasteful or fraudulent in some cases.
That's where we're going.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
What what about making social Security more solvent? Now you
know you and I both know it is not a
guaranteed benefit that's out there that that's why it's not
on the balance sheet for the federal government. But it's
political suicide for either side of the aisle to try
to kill the thing. But it's still facing solvency issues.
(13:20):
How do we solve that, Well, that's going.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
To be the challenge of today. We're going to have
to have Republicans the Democrats hold hands. But I don't
think raising taxes is the only solution, which seems to
be the Democrats' playbook at all times. Right, I mean,
do you think about it. You've been, as you mentioned,
you've been in Tallahassee for over twenty four years doing
the radio show. Think about what go back when you're eighteen.
If your money that you put into the social security system,
(13:45):
you meaning you're seven and a half of the fifteen
percent you approximately pay in Social Security and Medicare taxes,
if you're able to keep that and then the other
half went to the beneficiaries, Imagine saving seven or eight
percent a year go into your four oh one K.
How much that will be work today if you started
when you're eighteen. So these are flexible things we need
to look at. Everything should be on the table, and
(14:09):
I'm optimistic that with the market can actually help people more,
but it's a debate we're going to have to have
long term.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Congressman. Thanks for the time this morning. Great to hear
your voice, great to have you back on the show,
and we'll do it again soon.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
My pleasure. Thanks for your time, congrats and all your success.
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