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Speaker 1 (00:04):
We're taking him away from a very important project, so
we're limiting the abuse of time. Joining us for three
segments this morning and our personal defense segment is co
founder of the Talent Training Group and co host of
Talent Outdoors. He is Charlie Stricklan. Good morning friend.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
How are you going? How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I'm doing well. We have been talking. We have been
talking this morning about a story. It's the story is
a bad headline. It's about misleading headline. But it revolves
around the fragmentation of the bullet that killed Charlie Kirk.
And we'll skip the bad headline but talk about how
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a fragmented bullet doesn't leave the same evidence behind as
far as what gun it might have come out of
that a non fragmented bullet would leave.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Oh wow. One thing I love about our interactions pressing this.
I had no idea what we were going to talk about,
of course, so yeah, I mean, I did work in
violent crimes, and I was an armor the Sheriff's office
for years, And did you know all the bullet testing
and stuff and shooting into vests and gelatiness have been
to all the things over the years and testified and
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different things I am not a ballistics expert when it
comes to that. However, what I do know and a
lot of what you watch on CSI and things, and
a lot of people's education is based off what they've
seen on TV. And yeah, I mean that's where, okay,
get me to run this down to the lab and
get me the results, and that it doesn't work like that.
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You kind of get in line. So when a bullet's
fired down a barrel, the evidence in the book one,
you can there's some metallurgical things you could probably check.
And I'm not a lab expert or anything to see
you know, you might be able to provide the origin
of that particular alloy. That's that's beyond me. Predominantly, what
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I'm aware of is the rifling that matches to the barrel.
And so anytime a bullets fired a projectile is fired
down a barrel of a rifle or handgun or you
will get the witness marks on the actual projectile itself,
and you can then take the firearm, if you have
the original firearm, fire that into a medium like water
gelatin typically I think it's water. In the lab, they
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take that projectile and then they look at it and
they try to match it up. And because of rifling
in barrels, because it is machined, is going to have
unique characteristics. And so you look for those witness marks
and try to determine if that rifling matches up. It's
just like a fingerprint. Do these marks match these marks?
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You overlay them, look at them and go yes. I
mean is that absolutely full proof? But yeah, kind of
like the fingerprint, it is evidence and it can show.
Now when a bullet hit something, and that bullet is
either designed to fragment or fragments because of the velocity
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like a rifle realm. Most times, if you ever been
deer hunting and you find the projectile in the deer,
you find pieces of it, and if those pieces are
so degraded because it hit something or it hit a bone,
the chances of identifying that projectile back to that barrel
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are marginal. I don't know the percentages, but if you
can't find an intact large piece of rifling to look
at the witness marks against the actual tests projectile, it
could be tough. I mean, depending on the amount of
the amount of fragmentation, impossible to say beyond the shadow
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of out that that's the one I mean, you know,
there's always well, we found the quarter of it able
to match it with this, I guess, And there again,
I don't know that. But if somebody says that the
bullet was too fragmented to to be able to connect
to a barrel, I'm going to go, Okay, yeah, that happens.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
A lot, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it didn't
come from that barrel.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
No, No, you can say, as a matter of fact,
I would if And I don't know all the evidence
in that particular case. I just know what I've seen
historically in the news, based on the location, based on it,
and it's you know, I mean, you know, it's conspiracy theories,
conspiracies and conspiracies until you can prove them. I don't.
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I don't think that's enough evidence in anything to put
any doubt on what I you know, what we all saw.
It's bullets do really weird things when they enter into
whatever it is they're shot at. I mean, yeah, we
want a good range. We've seen bullets really really weird things.
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Are seeing enough shootings and evidence and autopsies. I can
tell you that. But let's do really weird things.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
And we are back. It is April first, on the
Morning Show with Preston Scott joining me No Fool Charlie
Strickland of the Talent Training group Charlie, I wanted to
talk about this story at the shooting at Old Dominion
University back in early March, where guy targeted an ROTC classroom,
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killed one, injured others. What stood out to me though,
was that the class responded as you might expect an
ROTC group of cadets to do. But I'm wondering, in
all the years, you've probably consulted with hundreds, if not
now more than a thousand businesses organizations on defending wherever
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you are what that business might be. But we when
we talk about it on the show, we've always talked
about it in the singular of an individual person. Is
there such a thing as kind of a group plan
for personal defense at a business or at an organization?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Absolutely, and as we know or unattacked by a group
is going to be more effective attacked by unattacked by
an individual. I mean, if you think about flight ninety
three on nine to eleven, I mean, let's roll mentality,
and I think as a country we may have lost
a little bit of that since nine to eleven or
a lot of that since nine to eleven, and a
lot of corners of our society is we fragmented, and
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we don't really think as a team anymore. But in
the workplace or in an area where you might be
a bystander or a victim of an active shooter or
an incident like that, a violent crime. We've moved to
a society where people want to break out their cell
phones and videotape these things, and then we all look
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for the videotape. We want to see somebody's cell phone
foot In the meantime, we're watching some kid get beat
down by bullies, or we're watching some violent crime being committed,
and we're not stepping up and doing something to see something.
It's not see something, say something, see something, do something,
and so you know, and then we're litigious society, so
we're so worried about you know, we're going to get
sued or whatever, which is why I carry that kind
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of insurance. It's always a good idea, do your research
and look for some the So yeah, I mean, and
when I'm talking about to groups, and this is what
I do a lot of my time is to go
around and do active shooter training for businesses and government entities,
nonprofits and churches and so forth. We talk about working
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as a team. You know, if you have to put
your hands on someone, you want to know someone else
in the room is willing to help you out. Because
what you may be doing in a violent encounterlike that
is grabbing the hand with the weapon in it, or
attacking the weapon. You need somebody else to come along
and help render that person into whatever condition they need
to be in under the circumstances, be an unconscious, disabled, dead, whatever,
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it's a deal. Dominion. I think they've rendered him no
longer alive. Love that statement and that great.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I was just I had highlighted that in this statement,
the FBI special Agent in charge in Norfolk, Virginia, the
students that were in the room, subdued him, rendered him
no longer alive. I don't know how else to say it.
They were basically able to terminate the threat and he
was not shot. They stabbed him.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah. Uh yeah, well you used the tools that you
have at hand. Look, I'm I'm sitting there watching deer
and go across the road press and it's beautiful and
this morning the uh yeah, so how do you do that? Well,
you think about what weapons? What? What weapons of opportunity
do I have? What do I have available to me
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at any point in time? What can I carry on me?
You can't carry a gun, You don't carry a gun? Well,
then what tools do you have? Do you have a
pocket knife? Do you have? I mean I always go
back to, uh, Look, I love those little single stem
crystal vases that you you know, put a single flower
in and got a ball at the bottom size of
a fist, and then it's got a stem on it.
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That makes it an excellent mace. And I don't mean
mace like pepper sprow. I meant mace like a medieval
mace weapon. You picked that thing up and clock somebody
across the head and it will render them no longer
conscious for sure, depending on how many times you hit them.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Once a month, we talked personal defense here on the
Morning Show. First time we've had Charlie Strickland with us
in just a couple of months, and so we've got
them for one more segment. Charlie. We were talking about
personal defense on a group level, and you were talking
specifically about maybe equipping the office or where you are
with things if someone if you're not comfortable having a firearm,
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then it sounds like you're seeing saying be very intentional
about what is available to you.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah. I mean, so let's say you are in an
office setting that does not allow firearms, which is a
lot of places, particularly around tallahassee. Well, you can't prohibit
pavilions from coming into places with guns. I mean you
can try, but your luck, it's a lot of places
will prohibit the employees from having firearms there. And so
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then that puts you in a position whether if you
want to arm yourself, even very discreetly, nobody can know
where else somebody's going to tell somebody and then your
subject lose your job. So let's say that you have
to be unarmed in a public place where you're not
allowed to have a firearm, or in your office or
business setting where you're by policy not allowed to have
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a firearm. Then what do you do? And so you
look for weapons of opportunity, and since you know that
this is the case, you can states things. You can
walk around. I would challenge people who are listening to
go to your office environment today and walk around and
specifically look for things that might be used as a weapon. Okay,
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so fire extinguishers make fantastic distraction devices. You pull the
fire extinguisher off the wall. Most most places have fire
extinguisher's scattered everywhere. Know where they are, maybe by a
small one for your office. You know, it's just just
nothing like being a little safe. I mean, you might
be the person that saves the commercial building from fire,
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which you never lose commercial buildings to fire hardly anymore
because of all the fire suppression equipment, because we're prepared
for that, but we're not prepared for the fight. So
have spray them in the face with the powder or
the extinguisher and then use the fire extinguisher as an
impact weapon. Yes, it because it goes from a distraction
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device to a club. Basically, we talked about the flower vase,
you know, hard crystal when don't go get the plastic.
When you get a hard crystal or glass vase and
put affake flour to in it and use that, do
not use was spray. People go, I want to get
some was spray. Well that's going to sting a little,
but it's not going to disable anybody. It's not designed
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to do that. You can cause permanent injury to the eyes,
but not idiot incapacitation, which is what you're looking for.
You want to spray something that's not pepper spray personally,
I say, go get a can of bear spray. I
mean that's if you're going to spray, somebody might as
well go ahead, you know, go big or go home. Uh,
get a cigarette lighter and a can of flammable aerosol.
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You know, I used to you know, it used to
be funny. Take take stuff and you know, you create
your own little flame thrower. Pointy devices. There are all
kinds of pointy things that you can have around you,
everything from letter openers to just absolute knives, you know,
whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Charlie, what about those devices that that that are actually
marketed as tactical for example, pens?
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Uh, those are absolutely their pointy devices. So I mean,
if you've got something that you can and we we
settle them at the counter the range where it looks
like a sharpie and you take a cap off and
instead of this, it's it's really it's more of a
stabby than a sharpie. That doesn't right, It's a it's
a my cart tip that's sharpened to a very sharp point.
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And stabbing in the eye the temple of the head
can get someone's attention. What you're trying to do is
to deter them from the attack. So you're trying to
attack a part of the body or to do something
that will cause them to lose motivation for what they're doing.
And nothing like a pen in the eyeball or a
thumb in the eyeball can can will change your mindset.
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I mean, because we teach I talk about mindset matters
most the mindset of the protector versus the predator of
the prey, and you can change their mindset as there's
something called uderloop observation, orientation, decision and action. And what
you're trying to do is to they're already at action.
You're trying to cause them to react by giving them
throwing them a curve off something they weren't expecting, and
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so by attacking them and attacking the face and the
head is probably the best way. And biting, fighting a
nose off or an ear off, or jabbing something in
their eye, it is going to definitely get their attention.
If they lose half their vision, now they go into
self preservation mode, and this isn't fighting fair this is fighting,
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just fighting, and it's not martial arts. It's it's just
dirty fighting, and it's what you have to do. So
one of my favorite things, and I carry one everywhere
I go, is a flashlight. And I don't mean just
I don't mean like a key ring flashlight. I'm talking
about a tactical flashlight. It's a small one with a
pocket clip. I can clip it in my pocket if
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that's on me right now in this daytime, or grab
one of the little tiny ones. We have an account
that there's ten bucks and it's it's the size of
a pin, but the ends of it are rigid. There's
the two triple A batteries in it, and it's got
about two hundred aluminum light. You can get them buy
it on Amazon's Dirt Cheap, but shop locally the and
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then you use that one to sh the light in
their eyes so that there's a little bit of a distraction,
and then you use it in a stabbing motion and
you stab the temple, the nose bridges and nose tab
the eyes or the one that I use is about
a fifty to sixty dollars flashlight. It's rechargeable USB C
rechargeable actually on two. I keep one on the charger
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and I put a fresh one in my pocket and
it'll run three or four days. And I use it
a lot for just stuff around, you know, looking at
in dark areas and stuff. As my eyes get old,
I need it. But it also has a push button
on the rear where you push it with your thumb,
holding it with the flashlight coming out of the bottom
of your hand, and you can also use it in
a stabbing motion clock someone across the temple in the eye,
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across the bridge of the nose, Yeah, buddy, And it
will bind you because it's about five or six hundred lumins.
It is very bright and so nothing. And the thing
is is, if you're talking about personal safety in an
overall level, when you're you're leaving a place at night
or going to your car doing something, and you hold
that flashlight in your hand and out of light around
a lot of not just your active assailants, but you're
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you're run of the mill criminal looks and sees the flashlight,
a very bright flashlight, then they start to that's that's
you become less of a target because they're looking for
an easy target and roaches don't like the light, so
they're they're going to move on to the next person,
So flashlights. You're a good one as well.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Charlie, great tips. I appreciate it very much. We'll talk
to you again soon, yes, sir, talk all right, Charlie
Strickland of the Talent Training Group. Remember talentrange dot com.