July 8, 2026 • 15 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Joining me on the program is Jose over there in
Studio one A. I am here in Studio one B.
And joining me in Studio one B is the president
of the James Madison Institute. He is doctor Bob McClure,
Doctor Bob. How are you, sir?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm doing fantastic. Yeah, happy belated fourth How are you good.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Let's talk about that for just a second. Yeah, Well
your impressions broadly speaking of the fourth.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Oh, I'm a sucker for the fourth of July. Yeah,
for obvious reasons. I thought. I thought it was a
great testament to our country. Did Donald Trump make it
a little bit about himself, Yes, he did, But he's
also swimming upstream against a left that still there's still
(00:52):
this element of cancel culture. So the country acts that
pulled out and you know, uh, other musical acts and
people like that are so afraid of the left, all right,
because of Trump derangement syndrome. He I don't think he
had any choice. But the State, the Great American State
(01:13):
Fair in DC, I thought was fabulous to watch.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Other than the states that refused to send an extract.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Because but here's here's the thing that was the background
noise to this, it's like ambient noise when you turn
on your sleep machine at night. Right. That was the
European fans of the World Cup who love this country.
And it's it's unique that it was happening as we
(01:41):
are supposedly, supposedly celebrating the greatest country that God has
ever given anyone, and and they confirmed it. Little things
that we take for granted, like free refills and ice
and BUCkies and air conditioning, a Walmart onion target, a
(02:01):
Bloomin onion, right, And I'm not saying that is high culture,
but but but but what they what they did, and
this was the ambient noise behind the celebration of the
fourth of July, is that they talked about how nice
and kind and giving Americans are. And in a world
that we live in today, Preston and now cable news
(02:24):
on both sides drives this. We think everybody is angry
all the time, and yet poll after poll shows that
eighty percent of this country is eighty five, I would argue,
is full of good and decent, hard working people who
help each other out, regardless of divisions of race and
(02:45):
sex and you know, wealth and all of that. And
I thought that World Cup the fans. That was the
ambient noise that that that made the fourth of July
so wonderful.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Thursday, before we took the fourth of July break, I
spent the last hour of the show just playing sound
bites of visitors from other countries extolling the virtues, just
to remind our listeners of what makes America special, the
things that we take for granted and overlook. It's so
interesting that that's coming from people that don't live here.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, it's like yours. It's like your friends, Like like
if you're from a really good family, like an intact, decent,
normal American family, and your friends come over and they go, man,
your parents are awesome, right, and you're like, no, they're not.
They're my parents. Okay. It's the same thing. These Europeans
came over, the Norwegians and the Scottish and the the
(03:42):
folks from the Congo and you know, uh and and
and you know all of these these uh they came
over like this country is awesome.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Air conditioning, I have ice right available for everything, even.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
In places like l A and C, which the cable
news constantly beats on. They talked about how kind and
nice people were.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I did find it interesting that, even though you know,
Seattle is a hub for soccer, for American soccer, I
found it interesting that Clantifa decided that would not be
the best place to show up, right. It just it
just intrigued me.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Well, the fans, I mean the even the American fans,
like we fell in love with cape Verde because they
almost beat Argentina and they played their guts out and
they were weeping afterwards.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
It was just the Scotts marching to the bagpipes in.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Boston, drinking the bar dry right, singing Country Roads from
from the top of the bar.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
John Denver is back in the Billboard top one hundred
because of the popularity of country Roads coming back.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Who knew?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, great stuff. More to talk about with doctor Bob McClure.
We will zero in on the Sunshine State next. The
opponent vents of property tax reform are now gathered. They
are organizing, they are pushing back. Who's going to fight
for it because the governor's not right. The governor's you know,
(05:13):
Governor de Santa spent almost an hour with me on
the show. He said, look, he said, I'm going to
vote for it. It's not what I asked for. It's
not what I would have done, but it's better than nothing.
But the opponents are gonna probably win this. I think
it's a high hurdle. I mean sixty percent. You're going
to see the same playbook that you always see at
(05:34):
the federal level when there's a government shut down. Oh here, right,
you know, the garbage can't be picked up, the federal
parks are closed. You know, dose expose the fraud that
that was, right, And you're going to see that at
the state level. You're going to see it with local officials.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
And you're already seen it with Rocky Hannah here at
Leon County. And they don't have enough money, right, so
they're proposing the school board is proposing a tax increase, yes,
instead of doing things like closing schools, and how about
just audit your books or how about fire your central
office which does nothing on a daily basis, Right, So
(06:15):
that's the playbook around the state. I think it has
a very high hurdle. I would like for it to pass.
It is not a very good amendment. I know that
sounds weird, but here's the thing what it and I
think either way, here's what I think is gonna happen.
If it doesn't pass, which I don't think it will.
I believe the next governor and the next legislature is
are they're gonna come in. They're not gonna let this go.
(06:38):
They're gonna they're gonna get something. Do you think I do.
I think they're gonna get something better and bigger, because
the growth of government spending can at the local level
cannot stand, okay, And we have it here in Tallahassee,
but they have it in spades around the rest of
the state that is actually pro business and growing right,
(07:00):
that has real leadership where places are growing. Okay. But
so if it doesn't pass, I believe the next governor
and leadership will come in and do something if it
does pass. If it does pass, it's a start, and
it provokes a conversation which we must have, and it
crystallizes a conversation we must have on local spending. Okay.
(07:23):
The governor has made the case, what is it, sixty
three percent increase since COVID on local spending? Crazy? How
much money do you need? Okay? And so and that
drives up the cost of everything, housing and insurance and
all of that. And we keep hearing Oh no, we
can't cut. Oh no, we can't trim.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Do you think they have to anticipate or take note
of the arguments that are going to be made in
the next few months, which are already being laid out.
I looked at them this morning and then counter each
of those points. For example, renters and business owners and
the people that own second homes. They they said, it's
all gonna get dumped on them, And there's some truth
(08:05):
to that. It very well could be.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Is that how the legislature is going to have to
tackle this the next time around?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah? Yeah? What What what's gonna happen is you're going
to see the local government if it if it doesn't pass,
if they're gonna say police and fire will suffer, schools
or suff of course, right, if it passes, you're going
to see a massive cost shift. They're not going to
lower their spending. They're gonna cost shift because and that's
(08:31):
the problem with this amendment is that it doesn't do
anything to protect Floridians against raising user fees or special
district taxing or other kinds of things in other areas.
If this passes, what we need preston is a levee
cap where you cap all spending at the local level
(08:52):
and index it to population and UH inflation and inflation. Yeah,
don't tell them how to spend it. Here's what you
got to spend, and that protects rural counties, That protects
fast growing counties. If you cap how much they can
spend on an annual basis a levy.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Cap, it also reveals what the elected leaders really think
the core functions of government are amen.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
That is well said.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Back with doctor Bob McClure, president of the James Madison Institute,
Before we leave the property tax issue, let me just
throw a thought your way and get your reaction.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Should we start with.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
To me, the easiest way the legislature can conquer the
first and most important hurdle to me, which is I
want to own my own home when I pay it off,
when I don't know the bank. I want it to
be just like my car. It's mine.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Ergo.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
If there's an issue on the property tax as it exists,
that's fine, but you're not taking my house. You can't
attach a lean to property owned by someone. That's just
my thought. Can the legislature just start there? Home ownership,
property ownership? If I hear you correctly.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
What you're saying is if you own your home outright,
you are saying you will not be assessed property taxes.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Nope, Nope, I'm saying until they sort out the property
tax issue. If there's an issue and someone's not paying
for their services, fine, do what anyone else does for
an unpaid bill, but you can't attach to the home.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
That's an interesting way to look at it, and I think.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
As a starting point because to me, it all boils
down to if I buy my car and I pay
off my car, a lot of things might happen, but
the insurance company can't take my car. Maybe I can't
drive it because I don't have insurance, but they can't
take it. And to me, the issue is one of
ownership of home and property that when I paid for
(11:03):
my home and property, I should own it and not
have the threat of absurd taxation or whatever the case
might be, taking and attaching my home.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Right. No, I think it's a great idea. I think
you're really counting on a really smart legislature preston to
to to think something like this through.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
But isn't it easier to go there though at the beginning, Yeah,
than to tackle the property tax issue at the beginning,
without dealing with the levy and all of that.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, I don't know that it's easier. I think what
the governor wanted and what the legislature wanted was we're
going to cut your taxes or eliminate them. Here's your
here's your exemption. And I think we ought to go there, right.
I think I think at least what I have found
in the in the policy world is you have to
(11:55):
because voters don't live and die by you know, politics.
Most people don't, right, I mean, we see that every day.
Most people don't live and die bite. So you have
to take it in bites and in increments. I think
that's a great I love the idea, and I think
that would be more of a legislative act. You're gonna
have to sell it. You're gonna have to break it
(12:15):
down for people. But I think I think you're right.
I mean, it's the it's the same mentality as you
said about your car, uh and and and the ability
to keep it right. If you don't pay, you may
not be able to drive it, but you they can't
take it from you.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
If I don't pay my taxes, if we still have
property taxes, turn off my water, but you can't take
my home, right that's all? Yeah, Let me let me
ask you this. We are dealing with elections primaries where
there I mean, the ballots are going out tomorrow for
the primaries. What are your thoughts on where Floord is
(12:58):
going to go? Are we going to have some movement
in elections that are significant enough? Are we going to
get a new leadership that's going to advance things? Because
I felt like, at least in the House, we had
obstructionists in the last two years.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
What's interesting about this year for Florida is everybody is
up and we're going to have some very new leadership. Okay,
so we're going to have a new governor, right, We're
going to have maybe not necessarily new cabinet officers, but
they've never run for office as a cabinet officer, so
they're going to have they're having to make promises and
(13:34):
decisions as they run for office, which is going to
be interesting. You're going to have a new Senate president,
a new House Speaker, which I think is going to
change in a good way. Relationally, what has happened between
the legislative and executive branch here's the thing, Okay, we
have to as a state, with all of this new leadership,
(13:56):
we have to recognize, and I believe a lot of them,
do how Florida got here, Okay, Why we are the
free state of Florida, Why people are moving here, why
people who already live here love this place. And we
have to continue. We have to do almost preston a
swat analysis of the state with all of this new leadership,
and then move in that direction. The great thing about
(14:19):
Governor DeSantis is the man was bold. Yeah, okay, and
and ninety nine percent of the time I agreed with him.
A couple times I didn't, but the man was bold.
And this new leadership has got to realize how we
got here. This wasn't handed to us. Okay, it's that
proverbial coaching term. You know. I was born on third
(14:41):
base and I thought I hit a triple. That's these
people didn't hit the triple, right, Okay. This has been
going on since Jeb Bush, and so this new leadership
has to understand how we got here, and they have
to continue to address the issues that matter to people
on an everyday basis, and that's how you remain the
free state of Florida because I'll say this left looks
at Florida the way China looks at Taiwan. Okay, and
(15:06):
so they're coming. They're coming, and we can easily be
comfortable and say, oh, come on, Bob. Yeah, it's a
deep red state. You got a million and a half
Republican voter edge. But the Left is coming. They look
at Florida the way China looks at Taiwan. It's a target.
We have to this new leadership has to understand that
and have to continue to move forward on the policies
(15:30):
that have made this state what it is.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And to quote you, good policy makes for good politics.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Policy makes good politics.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah. Always good to see you. Thank you for having me,
Doctor Bob McClure, president of the James Madison Institute, and
my guest here on the Morning Show with Preston Scott
Joining me on the program is Jose over there in
Studio one A. I am here in Studio one B.
And joining me in Studio one B is the president
of the James Madison Institute. He is doctor Bob McClure,
Doctor Bob. How are you, sir?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I'm doing fantastic. Yeah, happy belated fourth How are you good.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Let's talk about that for just a second. Yeah, Well
your impressions broadly speaking of the fourth.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Oh, I'm a sucker for the fourth of July. Yeah,
for obvious reasons. I thought. I thought it was a
great testament to our country. Did Donald Trump make it
a little bit about himself, Yes, he did, But he's
also swimming upstream against a left that still there's still
(00:52):
this element of cancel culture. So the country acts that
pulled out and you know, uh, other musical acts and
people like that are so afraid of the left, all right,
because of Trump derangement syndrome. He I don't think he
had any choice. But the State, the Great American State
(01:13):
Fair in DC, I thought was fabulous to watch.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Other than the states that refused to send an extract.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Because but here's here's the thing that was the background
noise to this, it's like ambient noise when you turn
on your sleep machine at night. Right. That was the
European fans of the World Cup who love this country.
And it's it's unique that it was happening as we
(01:41):
are supposedly, supposedly celebrating the greatest country that God has
ever given anyone, and and they confirmed it. Little things
that we take for granted, like free refills and ice
and BUCkies and air conditioning, a Walmart onion target, a
(02:01):
Bloomin onion, right, And I'm not saying that is high culture,
but but but but what they what they did, and
this was the ambient noise behind the celebration of the
fourth of July, is that they talked about how nice
and kind and giving Americans are. And in a world
that we live in today, Preston and now cable news
(02:24):
on both sides drives this. We think everybody is angry
all the time, and yet poll after poll shows that
eighty percent of this country is eighty five, I would argue,
is full of good and decent, hard working people who
help each other out, regardless of divisions of race and
(02:45):
sex and you know, wealth and all of that. And
I thought that World Cup the fans. That was the
ambient noise that that that made the fourth of July
so wonderful.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Thursday, before we took the fourth of July break, I
spent the last hour of the show just playing sound
bites of visitors from other countries extolling the virtues, just
to remind our listeners of what makes America special, the
things that we take for granted and overlook. It's so
interesting that that's coming from people that don't live here.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, it's like yours. It's like your friends, Like like
if you're from a really good family, like an intact, decent,
normal American family, and your friends come over and they go, man,
your parents are awesome, right, and you're like, no, they're not.
They're my parents. Okay. It's the same thing. These Europeans
came over, the Norwegians and the Scottish and the the
(03:42):
folks from the Congo and you know, uh and and
and you know all of these these uh they came
over like this country is awesome.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Air conditioning, I have ice right available for everything, even.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
In places like l A and C, which the cable
news constantly beats on. They talked about how kind and
nice people were.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I did find it interesting that, even though you know,
Seattle is a hub for soccer, for American soccer, I
found it interesting that Clantifa decided that would not be
the best place to show up, right. It just it
just intrigued me.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Well, the fans, I mean the even the American fans,
like we fell in love with cape Verde because they
almost beat Argentina and they played their guts out and
they were weeping afterwards.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
It was just the Scotts marching to the bagpipes in.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Boston, drinking the bar dry right, singing Country Roads from
from the top of the bar.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
John Denver is back in the Billboard top one hundred
because of the popularity of country Roads coming back.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Who knew?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, great stuff. More to talk about with doctor Bob McClure.
We will zero in on the Sunshine State next. The
opponent vents of property tax reform are now gathered. They
are organizing, they are pushing back. Who's going to fight
for it because the governor's not right. The governor's you know,
(05:13):
Governor de Santa spent almost an hour with me on
the show. He said, look, he said, I'm going to
vote for it. It's not what I asked for. It's
not what I would have done, but it's better than nothing.
But the opponents are gonna probably win this. I think
it's a high hurdle. I mean sixty percent. You're going
to see the same playbook that you always see at
(05:34):
the federal level when there's a government shut down. Oh here, right,
you know, the garbage can't be picked up, the federal
parks are closed. You know, dose expose the fraud that
that was, right, And you're going to see that at
the state level. You're going to see it with local officials.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
And you're already seen it with Rocky Hannah here at
Leon County. And they don't have enough money, right, so
they're proposing the school board is proposing a tax increase, yes,
instead of doing things like closing schools, and how about
just audit your books or how about fire your central
office which does nothing on a daily basis, Right, So
(06:15):
that's the playbook around the state. I think it has
a very high hurdle. I would like for it to pass.
It is not a very good amendment. I know that
sounds weird, but here's the thing what it and I
think either way, here's what I think is gonna happen.
If it doesn't pass, which I don't think it will.
I believe the next governor and the next legislature is
are they're gonna come in. They're not gonna let this go.
(06:38):
They're gonna they're gonna get something. Do you think I do.
I think they're gonna get something better and bigger, because
the growth of government spending can at the local level
cannot stand, okay, And we have it here in Tallahassee,
but they have it in spades around the rest of
the state that is actually pro business and growing right,
(07:00):
that has real leadership where places are growing. Okay. But
so if it doesn't pass, I believe the next governor
and leadership will come in and do something if it
does pass. If it does pass, it's a start, and
it provokes a conversation which we must have, and it
crystallizes a conversation we must have on local spending. Okay.
(07:23):
The governor has made the case, what is it, sixty
three percent increase since COVID on local spending? Crazy? How
much money do you need? Okay? And so and that
drives up the cost of everything, housing and insurance and
all of that. And we keep hearing Oh no, we
can't cut. Oh no, we can't trim.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Do you think they have to anticipate or take note
of the arguments that are going to be made in
the next few months, which are already being laid out.
I looked at them this morning and then counter each
of those points. For example, renters and business owners and
the people that own second homes. They they said, it's
all gonna get dumped on them, And there's some truth
(08:05):
to that. It very well could be.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Is that how the legislature is going to have to
tackle this the next time around?
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah? Yeah? What What what's gonna happen is you're going
to see the local government if it if it doesn't pass,
if they're gonna say police and fire will suffer, schools
or suff of course, right, if it passes, you're going
to see a massive cost shift. They're not going to
lower their spending. They're gonna cost shift because and that's
(08:31):
the problem with this amendment is that it doesn't do
anything to protect Floridians against raising user fees or special
district taxing or other kinds of things in other areas.
If this passes, what we need preston is a levee
cap where you cap all spending at the local level
(08:52):
and index it to population and UH inflation and inflation. Yeah,
don't tell them how to spend it. Here's what you
got to spend, and that protects rural counties, That protects
fast growing counties. If you cap how much they can
spend on an annual basis a levy.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Cap, it also reveals what the elected leaders really think
the core functions of government are amen.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
That is well said.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Back with doctor Bob McClure, president of the James Madison Institute,
Before we leave the property tax issue, let me just
throw a thought your way and get your reaction.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Should we start with.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
To me, the easiest way the legislature can conquer the
first and most important hurdle to me, which is I
want to own my own home when I pay it off,
when I don't know the bank. I want it to
be just like my car. It's mine.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Ergo.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
If there's an issue on the property tax as it exists,
that's fine, but you're not taking my house. You can't
attach a lean to property owned by someone. That's just
my thought. Can the legislature just start there? Home ownership,
property ownership? If I hear you correctly.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
What you're saying is if you own your home outright,
you are saying you will not be assessed property taxes.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Nope, Nope, I'm saying until they sort out the property
tax issue. If there's an issue and someone's not paying
for their services, fine, do what anyone else does for
an unpaid bill, but you can't attach to the home.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
That's an interesting way to look at it, and I think.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
As a starting point because to me, it all boils
down to if I buy my car and I pay
off my car, a lot of things might happen, but
the insurance company can't take my car. Maybe I can't
drive it because I don't have insurance, but they can't
take it. And to me, the issue is one of
ownership of home and property that when I paid for
(11:03):
my home and property, I should own it and not
have the threat of absurd taxation or whatever the case
might be, taking and attaching my home.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Right. No, I think it's a great idea. I think
you're really counting on a really smart legislature preston to
to to think something like this through.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
But isn't it easier to go there though at the beginning, Yeah,
than to tackle the property tax issue at the beginning,
without dealing with the levy and all of that.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah, I don't know that it's easier. I think what
the governor wanted and what the legislature wanted was we're
going to cut your taxes or eliminate them. Here's your
here's your exemption. And I think we ought to go there, right.
I think I think at least what I have found
in the in the policy world is you have to
(11:55):
because voters don't live and die by you know, politics.
Most people don't, right, I mean, we see that every day.
Most people don't live and die bite. So you have
to take it in bites and in increments. I think
that's a great I love the idea, and I think
that would be more of a legislative act. You're gonna
have to sell it. You're gonna have to break it
(12:15):
down for people. But I think I think you're right.
I mean, it's the it's the same mentality as you
said about your car, uh and and and the ability
to keep it right. If you don't pay, you may
not be able to drive it, but you they can't
take it from you.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
If I don't pay my taxes, if we still have
property taxes, turn off my water, but you can't take
my home, right that's all? Yeah, Let me let me
ask you this. We are dealing with elections primaries where
there I mean, the ballots are going out tomorrow for
the primaries. What are your thoughts on where Floord is
(12:58):
going to go? Are we going to have some movement
in elections that are significant enough? Are we going to
get a new leadership that's going to advance things? Because
I felt like, at least in the House, we had
obstructionists in the last two years.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
What's interesting about this year for Florida is everybody is
up and we're going to have some very new leadership. Okay,
so we're going to have a new governor, right, We're
going to have maybe not necessarily new cabinet officers, but
they've never run for office as a cabinet officer, so
they're going to have they're having to make promises and
(13:34):
decisions as they run for office, which is going to
be interesting. You're going to have a new Senate president,
a new House Speaker, which I think is going to
change in a good way. Relationally, what has happened between
the legislative and executive branch here's the thing, Okay, we
have to as a state, with all of this new leadership,
(13:56):
we have to recognize, and I believe a lot of them,
do how Florida got here, Okay, Why we are the
free state of Florida, Why people are moving here, why
people who already live here love this place. And we
have to continue. We have to do almost preston a
swat analysis of the state with all of this new leadership,
and then move in that direction. The great thing about
(14:19):
Governor DeSantis is the man was bold. Yeah, okay, and
and ninety nine percent of the time I agreed with him.
A couple times I didn't, but the man was bold.
And this new leadership has got to realize how we
got here. This wasn't handed to us. Okay, it's that
proverbial coaching term. You know. I was born on third
(14:41):
base and I thought I hit a triple. That's these
people didn't hit the triple, right, Okay. This has been
going on since Jeb Bush, and so this new leadership
has to understand how we got here, and they have
to continue to address the issues that matter to people
on an everyday basis, and that's how you remain the
free state of Florida because I'll say this left looks
at Florida the way China looks at Taiwan. Okay, and
(15:06):
so they're coming. They're coming, and we can easily be
comfortable and say, oh, come on, Bob. Yeah, it's a
deep red state. You got a million and a half
Republican voter edge. But the Left is coming. They look
at Florida the way China looks at Taiwan. It's a target.
We have to this new leadership has to understand that
and have to continue to move forward on the policies
(15:30):
that have made this state what it is.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And to quote you, good policy makes for good politics.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Policy makes good politics.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah. Always good to see you. Thank you for having me,
Doctor Bob McClure, president of the James Madison Institute, and
my guest here on the Morning Show with Preston Scott
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