March 16, 2026 • 42 mins
Maddie Hake is the General Manager of the Omaha Taphouse of Kinkaider Brewing Co. She talks about her relationship with beer and what makes a bar a special place for so many people. She also talks about living all over the United States and what makes Omaha such a great place. Another passion of hers is art and she explains how art has made a positive impact on her life and those around her.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
It's the Emory Soccer Podcast and it's here on the
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for listening to this feed. Quite a week for me.
This is gonna be the last podcast I'm going to
record before I leave for Ireland in Northern Ireland, so
it will be a couple of weeks before we get
another interview into this feed. I'll give you updates on that,
but we got a conversation to have first, and joining
(00:32):
me my guest today is the general manager of the
Omaha Taphouse of Kincater, Great Nebraska Brewery. We have Maddy
Hacky sitting here with me today. Maddie, thanks for coming in,
Thanks for having me. Great to see you. I see
you a lot. I don't know, is that a good thing?
I call you guys my cheers bar heck, yeah, you know,
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you know what I mean. It's like you find a
place and you just want to go all the time.
It's like I know the people that are going to
be there. I know. I like the drinks in this case.
You know, you guys have mixed drinks and spirits as well,
but the beer is the backbone. And I just love
having a couple of beers watching a game on TV
and you are like four minutes from my house, which
(01:18):
does not hurt. You know, I can easily walk to
and fro if I need to. How do you describe
king Cater? Right, because you're a young person, being the
general manager of anything at your age is pretty impressive.
But the fact that you have this really cool location
in the Tarbon Village and the fact that this is
a you know, I think one of the better Nebraska
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breweries by any account that anybody can can mention with
a ton of different selection, you know, Like, how do
you describe what kin Cater is to people who may
not have come to your tap house or seen the brewery?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, thank you. I freaking love king Cater obviously the
name not being biased. But before I started working at Kincter,
I didn't like beer, and that sounds it's like such
a cliche.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
But you're catered, sorry to interrupt, we're working at a
tap house, screwry, and you weren't a big fan of beer.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, interesting, I understand. But yeah, I tried snow Beast
and I was just hooked, and so I started venturing
out onto other beers from there. But before that, I
was only really trying ip as. This was like a
couple of years ago obviously where ips were huge and
(02:32):
they still are huge. But I was just like, all
this tastes like grass. Why are people so into craft beer?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I mean, I p as. I still kind of feel
that way.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, yeah, just a little bit, but no, so I
I love kin cater It. It changed my perspective on beer,
and now I love craft beer. I would describe kin
cater Omaha, at least specifically as a Cheers bar. I
get that reference a lot just from all of our
regulars that come in, and eventually, if you sit at
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the bar long enough, you're going to have a lot
of crossover and be like, oh hey, I saw that
person on Tuesday, Like especially with our Tumblr Tuesday Club.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Well we'll get to Tumbler Tuesday. Yeah that was that
was that was our gateway to can cater Also, oh
yeah yeah, but the Cheers reference, right, So, like I
think even if you haven't watched all of Cheers and
I've intermittently watched Cheers, but you know, the references with
norm you know, it's like every single person that like,
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it's the regulars. They're all at the same bar and
it's just kind of like the conversations and relationships that
people can make at a place. It doesn't even have
to be a bar. It's just a place that people
like to come and it's great to have the beer
and it's great to have the TVs. But it's really
the people that make a place like that and the
fact that you know yourself and some of the other
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great folks that work with you at can Cater, And
then on top of that the predictability I think of
the environment. On Mondays we play Krabbitch. We'll get to that.
On Tuesdays you have the Tumblr Tuesday, which is you know,
I think one of the best deals if you're looking
for a way to break up the week, I don't
think there's a better way to do it than Tumbler Tuesday.
(04:17):
Can Cater Wednesday is trivia Night. Thursday you've played bingo.
There's been a lot of bingo, and then Friday Saturday,
those are bar days for anybody, and you guys have
different events that happened regardless. You're in a great spot
too in Xarbon Village, and there's really no tap house
like that along the entire area of Xarbon Village. It's
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just a great place that is kind of the only
one of its kind in that neighborhood, which is awesome.
So I look at it from a perspective of, you know,
how much of that was the genesis of the folks
with the brewery, how much of that was just trying
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to incorporate that into this place. How much of that
was stuff that you and your team here in Olmaha
have thought about in trying to build this community of people,
not just because you want everybody to come and drink
the beer, but you want people to just come and
have this space really to forget about the troubles of
the world and just enjoy each other's company.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, yeah, thank you so much. I wanted to have
a space where people walk in and just know each
other and are able to intermingle and you know, have
that regular base. And thankfully concater has done all the
heavy lifting of making a great product. Along with sideshow,
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we also have a distillery where we distill everything in Lincoln,
So I mean, we have a lot of different variety
and when you walk into our bar, we can essentially
you're gonna find something that you're gonna want to drink
there and then just having the consistency of great service
and knowing who you're going to run into. It's either
(05:59):
gonna me Jaden, Lauren Rosie, I mean Kyle behind the bar,
and so having that core group of people always being
there saying Hi, Hey, how are you.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
And seemingly loving their job.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yes, yeah, I mean you're slinging beers. It's awesome.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
But I've been in places where, you know, like there
seems to be kind of a ticking clock on a
lot of the people behind the bar. You're not sure
how long they'll be there. You're not sure how much
they really enjoy the interaction or how much they enjoy
you know, mixing drinks or whatever it is. That's you know,
you don't get that vibe from anybody at Kink. Everybody
seems like they're like excited to work into the social
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aspect of that. You mentioned that the regulars here. How
much of the kind of culture in this kind of
world of craft beer in breweries now, because there's there's
still a lot. I mean, if you ask craft brewers now,
it's harder now than it was maybe ten years ago
(07:02):
to get one started. But it's really about the product
and if you have like a few good beers at
least you can really operate pretty healthily. I think it's
the breweries that only really have like one signature beer
that seem to kind of struggle. If you're, you know,
talking about this from a standpoint of the product, right,
(07:22):
Is there a couple you mentioned Snowbeasts. I know a
lot of people because you know, I go to the
bar a lot. Snow Beasts isn't really my jam, but
I know a ton of people that snow Beast is
like their favorite beer and they will stock up when
Snowbast is available. Oh yeah, yeah, And so like that
seems to be kind of a cornerstone, but there are
so many different options. Is there specific beers that you
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have that you've noticed are really kind of those gateway
beers to get people to want to either come into
the tap house or want to buy some of the
stock that you have of these kin Cater brews that
may be a little bit more seasonal or are just backbone.
You just know, if we have this available, people will
buy it.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah. So kin Catered does a great job of brewing
a lot of different brews, flavors, styles, just we cover
our bases. There's going to be a beer for someone
even if they don't like beer. Obviously I'm one of
the cases for that. But I would say brew Ja
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is a great light ale. You love bru Ja, I.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Love I can. I mean, I don't know if this
is a great thing to say, but I could just
crush brew Ja all day.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I honestly say, I typically lean towards more flavored beers,
but brew j is just a nice crisp ale. They
killed it with that one.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
It tastes good, but it feels like water going down.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, yeah, great, exactly, honeywey Ale is great. Dragon juice
ipa is juicy ipa. It's a pretty mild ipa. I
don't typically like IPAs, as I mentioned earlier, but dragon
juice I can crush. Mix that with our grapefruit rattler.
And I love mixing beers.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Okay, And this is another thing. I'm going to stop
you right there. You're like an alchemist back there, and
you're just like put this one and this one together,
and it's like, okay, like who does this? Like who
mixes beers like this? What's the backstory of mixing beers?
And being like, actually this kind of works.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah. My only claim to mixology is with beers, honestly,
so very strange. Yes, yeah, I mean when I was
first working there, the salted caramel peanut butter amber ale
came out. It was in the fall, that's typically when
it rolls out, and it's so sweet and a lot
of people love it, but you kind of just need
(09:41):
to cut it with something, So I put a splash
of the brown ale in there. And I can't remember
if someone told me about that or if we were
just goofing off behind the bar, because you know, we
technically do that. Yeah, why not?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Like I wonder what this tastes like?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so yeah, we just started mixing
a bunch of stuff. And our previous general manager Oz
he was great. He's now in Lincoln, and he would
mix dragon juice with the grapefruit rattler and that's amazing too.
And all of our beers are pretty flavorful, so you
(10:18):
can get those like true like combinations. Like occasionally we'll
do a shot of our hall Opinio vodka with our
grapefruit rattler and it's like a spicy paloma. So yeah,
it's endless.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
How would you even think about doing that? As hilarious.
Now for people who are like grapefruit rattlers, like you
guys have rattlers, which you know from my non drinking mother,
is like a perfect like flavorful and light option. And
I know that those are like really popular for like
cyclists who are going through the neighborhood. Yeah, because it's
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they're just so easy to drink and they're not going
to get you like overtly intoxicated drinking just one or
two of them. So there is like this huge gambit
of different types of beers that you have. I absolutely
love it. You guys do amazing work and I love
going there, and I was there. We started doing the
Tumblr Tuesday and you can find the deals on thinking
cater site. It's just anybody that we've ever talked to.
(11:17):
It's just like, you gotta do Tumblr Tuesday. It's the
best night to go to the bar. It breaks up
the week. But it's also like you save a lot
of money very quickly if you want to do that
and get together with friends and all that. But I
don't know if it was a Tuesday or what. I
was there with my wife And you can bring dogs in,
which is one of the reasons we also started coming
all the time was we could bring the dogs inside. Uh,
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And we brought a cribbage board, which is not unusual
for us, Like we travel with a cribbage board. It's
a you know, we got like this little cribbage board.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, it's just like my wife and I like we
learned how to play like I played when I was
younger with my daddy, got taught by my music director.
The long story, but cribbage had been in my life before,
but I hadn't played it in well over a decade,
I don't think when I was like, we were going
on a trip to a cabin in Arkansas and the Ozarks,
and I was like, I've wanted to get back into cribbage.
(12:10):
And we watched the show Letter Kenny, and it's.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Very funny, Oh let Kenny.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
But they referenced cribbage a couple of times and there
I'm like, oh, I remember playing cribbage, and I was like,
that would be a fun game to play and teach
my wife how to play. And then we just like
started playing all the time. And I've taught probably like
twenty people, no joke, how to play cribbage over the
last you know, like four or five years.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, but it's just a game that's fairly easy to learn,
and once you learn it, you can fall back into
it pretty easy after a couple of hands, even if
they unplayed in a while. And it's super social and
you score points, so it's like, you know, you're trying
to score something. It's a great game. And you saw
me in her playing one day and you were just like,
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you guys play cribbage. You should come on Mondays. We're
trying to, you know, get a group together to play cribbage.
I had no idea what you were talking about. So
can you explain your history with cribbage? This archaic? It's
not archaic, but like this old card game. Yeah, that
I mean if you would have asked me five years ago,
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is like, oh, I've heard of that, but you know,
and I've played it a little bit, but I know
no one else who plays. And it feels like right now,
I know like probably fifty people in my life that
play or know how to play, and a lot of
it has to do with what you guys are doing
on Mondays. But how did you figure out how to
play cribbage? Or that you even wanted to play cribbage.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, so one of our regular's Bill, he's the norm
of our bar in comparison to cheers, but awesome Bill.
We were bored one day, I think in the summer,
and we talked about playing cribbage for a little bit.
His family is all about cribbage. They do tournaments and stuff,
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and he's like one of thirteen, so huge family and
that's just what they bond over and it's fabulous. So
he'd been wanting to teach me how to play cribbage.
I found out that the way I learned was wrong,
and so he taught me at the bar and we
were like, we should just do a cribbage club, and
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he was the driving force of it.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
So you, I mean you're new, like you didn't I
mean you had played obviously some version or variation of
cribbage before, but you were not like a regular cribbage
player until Bill at the bar, Yeah, showed.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
You how yep, Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, and he's a great teacher, super patient. I could
tell he was really excited because he printed out all
the rules and I'm about to laminate them because they've
been passed around the bar because so many people are
playing now at the bar, which is great and it's
good to reference.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Back to and on a Monday night again, what a
great way to spend time early in the week. And
I think a lot of people Monday is like the
worst day of the week for them. It's tough to
get back into work after a weekend. You know, you
had the Sunday scaries. You're just trying to get through
that first day of the week.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Having a place you can just go and just know
that you're going to see some familiar face and have
a fun thing to do, and I think that's what
people keeps people coming back. There are people who just learned,
you know, and I started coming when you invited us,
and we are having a blast playing with different people.
But we've taught I mean, between Bill and me and
some of the others, like we've taught probably at least
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fifteen new people how to play over the last like
six months.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
And I feel like it's just exploded, like it's awesome.
Like at first it was just me and Bill and
then slowly recruited a couple other people and then that
was a stable and then you and Carrie started coming
in and Yeah, all of a sudden, we have like
a solid group and now Mondays is probably one of
my favorite days.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
It's so fun. Yeah, and it's like a not a
traditional bar day.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
So, and I've noticed this, there's a concater cribbage board, yeah,
which is awesome. But i mean, you guys are like
owning this. And I'm sure there are other places. Omaha's
big place. There's got to be other places that have
cribbage nights and things like that. But just to kind
of like have one start generally pretty organically. Yeah, I
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mean that's it's it's not a promotional tactic like Tumblr Tuesday.
It's really a community thing that just brings people into
the bar.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
It's really wholesome, but it is. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And we all just going there. We're just playing cards
with each other, yeah right, yeah, and we.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Give each other crap and we get a high button involved.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And the high button is a great addition to the bar, honestly. Yes,
for anybody who doesn't know what a high button is,
it's like she has you have to you have like
a big one behind the bar.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah. I have one attached my key chain right here.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, and you have one that you just have portable
with you and it just like it's like an airhorn. Basically.
It's like, I mean, this is the kind of fun
that people are having here, people and the find it
doesn't even have to be kinkid. I'm not trying to
make this like a commercial for can cater It, but
it's like having a place like that is an enriching
thing to people's lives. It really is. And that's one
(17:06):
thing that I think people miss when they don't have
something like that where they can just see people that
they're familiar with, is they don't feel a sense of community.
You've talked to me about kind of your history and
all the different places you've lived. You're still a very
young person, but it's like one of those things where
you know, I've moved a lot, but I haven't moved
town to town or state to state a lot. You know.
(17:27):
My biggest move was clearly my des Moines to Omaha
move that I made a few years ago. And I
moved from a small town to Des Moines, which felt
like a crazy culture shock, but I had been in
des Moines so much before that, just visiting or staying
with people or doing different things or working that. It
really didn't feel like that much of a culture shock
for me. I couldn't imagine some of the places you've lived.
(17:48):
We can list them off, like some of the places
that you lived and could you know, yeah, like you
spent some time in Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
So I was a military brat, so my dad was
Harry along with my stepdad, both Navy. So I just
grew up hopping around a whole bunch, which I love.
I feel like that's the best way to explore anywhere
is to just live there. And so I've lived really
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young age Virginia Beach for like two to four years,
I can't remember exactly, and then California and Texas primarily,
and then Washington State. I lived in Vegas for a while,
and then I moved here primarily West Coast as an adult.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Okay, so East Coast and Texas, but you were mostly
like southern California, yeah, and then Seattle, yeah, Washington State
or whatever, yep, and then Vegas and then Almaha. Now
you're not thirty yet, so I'm just gonna spoil it
for everybody. You're not quite thirty yet. So that's a
lot of places in a short amount of time. What
(19:00):
brought you to Omaha.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
During the pandemic, I was living in Vegas. I moved
to Vegas in January twenty twenty, and I'm an artist,
so I was hoping to gain some traction somewhere in Vegas,
whether it be like starting out my own gallery or
at the time, I was selling to a gentleman that
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was buying a lot of my pieces for a bunch
of money, and it was great. I was able to
live off that for a little bit, and so that
was a huge factor as to why I moved to Vegas.
But then the pandemic obviously hit and you know, put
a wrench in some things. And yeah, so I ended up, though,
still working in Vegas a little bit with some body painting.
(19:50):
I worked a skin city. They paint all the acrobats
for Cirque and wow, yeah, all the models that would
like be walking around the Bellagio. I painted a couple
of them and it was a really cool experience. But
it just wasn't sustainable. Obviously, it's all service industry there,
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which is what I do now and arts. The pandemic
was not very forgiving to Vegas. So decided to leave.
And I was torn between Nashville or Omaha, and I
have some family here and I never lived really by family,
so as.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
A military person, right, like, you can't really ever get
used to living in one place, let alone being around
other people of your family are just like your location
in a lot of ways, just out of your hands,
out of your control.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, And I mean that's not something I'm
mind too terribly, but I thought it'd just be nice
and so.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
A little change up.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah yeah. So yeah, been in Omaha for about four
years now, which is the longest I've lived anywhere so
as an adult.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
So Omaha family, but Nashville did not. No.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Oh. They both had similar unemployment rates, which is something
I look at when I'm moving around. And then it
was weird because I went to Nashville while living in
Vegas to kind of scope it out and also just
like have a vacation.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, it would get a little recon in there though.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah. Yeah, and their slogan there was nash Vegas and interesting.
I was just, hm, that seems a little weird. I
don't know if I want to repeat a Vegas. But
Nashville was awesome. Love the food, I love the South.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
But yeah, Nashville kind of has this vibe of being
like the Vegas of that region though, right, it's just
like it's a place where people go and you just
don't really have to have a reason to go. You
just go because you know that broadways there, you know
that there's stuff for you to do. There's obviously all
the country music, like that's the big selling point of it, right,
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more than anything.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
So, yeah, all the live music. Also, just when I'm
traveling around, I'll ask bartenders specifically like hey, where should
I go to next, or like how do you like
your city? Just to gauge, and there's a lot of
transplants there, and the overall vibe I got was, yeah,
it's it's a great town. I'm gonna be leaving here
(22:17):
in about, you know, a.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Couple of years, and so there's like an expiration d
it almost Yeah, how much fun it becomes.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
No one was excited. But maybe they're just trying to
keep the people out and be like this is Nashville,
you know, let's keep it in Nashville.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I don't know, but it's interesting because Vegas has kind
of a similar vibe. If you go back like fifteen
twenty years, it used to be one thing and now
it's a completely different thing, Oh for sure, you know,
and there are plays. Nashville feels that way already. It
was kind of just this country music haven, but it
has kind of since become this destination for people to
(22:56):
you know, travel or have vacation, or do bachelor or
bachelorette parties or.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yes, yeah, we saw a ton of those.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
It doesn't it doesn't have to be country music related
anymore to you know. So I think that's good probably
for business, but it probably isn't great for the longtime
Nashvillians who are just kind of like, what have you
done to my city kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, Whereas when I came to Omaha, everyone is so
excited to show you Omaha, Like if they find out
that you are a transplant somewhere, they're like, hey, hit
up these places. And I'm guilty of it too now
where it's just Omaha is a hidden gem of the Midwest,
and I love it.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Well a It's just a pretty affordable place to live
comperatively to a lot of the places you've mentioned. Number two,
there's something Midwestern about people being prideful and where they live,
and they just don't feel like they've it's gotten the
right amount of attention, and there's a lot of people
out here that just love what Omaha is now and
(23:54):
want to keep it the same, you know, the same
thing for the morning in Omaha growing at similar rates.
Omaha is bigger than the Moines, but like both metropolitan
areas are growing at a pretty solid rate. But a
lot of people are you know, excited about the prospects
of what that brings, right, It's like it's more business,
more opportunities. A lot of companies are trying to invest
in here, and it's great for a ton of different ages.
(24:16):
Like you could be a retirement age and save a
lot of money and feel like you're living in an
enriched life here. But you can also be in your
twenties or thirties, not have kids and still feel like
there's a ton happening for you to go out and enjoy.
And that's one thing, you know, maybe I I came
from the complete opposite background of view. I didn't move
at all when I was growing up, and I was
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from a smaller place in southeastern Iowa, and I was
an hour and a half away from the Moines. I
was like five hours away from any major city, and
I didn't get to see a lot of that stuff.
So when I had a chance to live in Des
Moines at twenty seven years old, it just felt like
this is the biggest city in the world. The world
is my oyster. I'm so excited. Yeah, and then going
from De Moines to Omaha is kind of a natural
(24:58):
step to a bigger pl My wife and I absolutely
love it here, and I think that's one of the
things that you know, like you touched on when you
go to different places and you compare it one to one,
to like a Nashville or to a Vegas, you realize
that it is quite unique and its welcoming capabilities. It's
not lene of these hearty you know, stay out of here,
(25:20):
or move it our speed or get out of my
way towns. Yes, it's very much like welcome, We're happy
to have you.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, it's it's truly the people that make it here.
It's a fabulous community. I've moved around a lot, as
I've mentioned, and I've never found a community quicker. Now.
I blame my job for that, and my job is
help Yeah, love love my job. But I've found my
community through my job, and it's a great one. I'm
incredibly thankful for it. But yeah, the mentality of every
(25:51):
city that I've been to in comparison, has just been
a little bit like, yeah, stay stay out of my way,
a little bit more abrupt. I wouldn't say harsh, but
just not as welcoming.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
They don't have time for you. Yeah, yeah, like I
got I have stuff to do, I got places to
be exactly all right. It was great to meet you know,
scram get out here. Yeah. You mentioned your art, and
I want to get into that here because I think
if there was one thing I wish I was good at,
I wish I could draw or paint, and I don't
(26:26):
think I would have said that. Five years ago, I
did a therapy session and I was dealing with some
just general challenges, you know, challenges that adults go through
when life isn't going the way you want it to
at a different point. And I was going and seeing
this therapist and she was, gosh, I don't even like
Hungarian or something like. She she had a very different
(26:50):
attitude about things than the American people I've seen that
are either therapists or life coach. And one thing that
she really subscribed to was art therapy, Like even you
don't have to be good at this, but just sit
there and like express yourself through drawing, you know, just
use different colors to express yourself, express yourself in ways
(27:12):
that are uncomfortable for you, and you might unlock something
that you never felt before. And now it happened. Like
I was sitting there and I hate the permanence of paint.
It's like one of those things. It's like it scares
me to death, even though I wish I was good
at it, Like it scares me to death. So I, yeah,
she gave me like color pencils and a sketchbook and
just like spend like ten minutes like just trying to
(27:35):
draw how you feel. It doesn't have to be anything. Yeah,
and I could feel my brain working, like it's just like, oh,
I kind of like this. This is really interesting And
anybody who's good at it, I just have a profound
respect for it because it is not something that you
just are if you're not good at it when you're young.
It is not something that is easy to get good at.
(27:57):
You kind of have to have a touch to it.
That's not to say that people can't enjoy doing it,
because I do enjoy whenever I do something like this.
But then I saw a piece that you'd worked on
for yourself, and I knew you had done this. People
have talked about you doing the artwork at the bar
and you do these competitions, which I'll mention here in
a second, but it's like, wow, this is incredibly impressive.
(28:20):
So where did the art thing come from? Like, because
it is clear that this was something that you've been
good at for a long time. This is not a
recent discovery that hey, I can paint.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Thank you. I really appreciate that I was grounded a
lot as a kid.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
That's an interesting way to start the story.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, so I could either read or draw, so I
would just do that all the time because I hated reading.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Did you know that you were good at it right away?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
No? It was just incredibly bored. I mean art always
interested me, but I would try to create something and
you'd look at it and just be like, oh my gosh,
this is terrible. This is not how I wanted it
to look at all. And I think that's what intimidates
a lot of people at first. But eventually, if you
work at it enough, you're going to be able to
(29:11):
create what you envisioned, and I started to thoroughly enjoy it, and.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I like, what age were you, like high school age
when you were like, wait a second, this is actually
something I have fun doing.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I always got sketch books, and you know that Christmas
art kid and every kid gets.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
You know, and I like markers, I mean just watercolor. Yeah,
and you have like sixty colors to choose from.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I was just like, okay, now this is going to
keep me busy for a while.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, So I'd always get those as
a kid. And yeah, sketchbooks, so I don't know, I
would say, on and off through elementary and middle school,
and then I start getting into it in high school
a lot where I would just like sketch out random
things and actually invest a little bit more time into
(30:09):
the piece. And then my mom let me do a
mural in my room, a fairly small mural, because I
wanted to experiment with paint, because it's funny that you
brought up like the permanence of it. I was so
intimidated by that that I limited my palette. I was like,
I only want black and white. For some reason, my
(30:31):
brain was okay with that, and then I just took
off and I loved it. So once I graduated and
moved away to San Diego, I started just practicing with
that a little bit more so. Yeah. Ever since then,
I'd say like ten years, I've invested like thoroughly trying
(30:53):
to hone in on my style.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
How would you describe your style and how and how
you got there? Right?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah? I think I was still work shopping through it
until recently. And I credit that to Art Battle, which
is that speed painting competition.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Might as well just get into it right now. This
is unbelievable with people who do this thing, like people
like you and people who you're competing with. I didn't
know this was possible. So explain the rules and like
how it works.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah. So Art Battle is a great organization. It's worldwide actually,
and what's funny is it's been in all the cities
that I've lived in, and I never knew about it
until moving to Omaha and they're promoting their first art
Battle here. But it's essentially, you have twenty minutes to
paint a canvas and you're back typically probably twenty by
(31:49):
twenty four or eighteen by twenty I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
So decent. But I mean that's pretty decent size.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. And you're up against twelve other
artists and you're separated into two rounds and people will
vote on it, and then the top four artists will
compete for the final round and they're the winner essentially
for that.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Is there a rule on what you can or cannot paint?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
You can paint whatever you want so you.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Get twenty minutes. Is there a limit to the colors
that you have to start with?
Speaker 2 (32:21):
No? No.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Can you bring your own your own stuff?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Like, you can bring your own materials. I typically do
just because I like to play with a lot of
neons and I like to know what my palette will be.
But they do supply some paint. You can also do
some spray painting if you want, or like I saw
a guy do clay and actually sculpt onto the canvas.
(32:46):
It was insane, And he had twenty minutes and he
did a whole face with like an eagle flying out
of the canvas. It was it was absolutely spectacular. I've
never seen anything like that. I was like, possible, that
guy just kicked my ass. Excuse me, I don't know
if I can swear.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
No, you can okay, but yeah, no, literally like that.
That sounds incrazy. That sounds incredible to me.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I think that one of the things that I find
so impressive is the fact that you have that time constraint.
You don't have time to think, like right, I mean,
you just kind of have to do it. So it's
a completed thing and you're working against a clock, which
for a lot of people in art, like one of
the things they love about art is that there is
no clock that they can just like they can paint
(33:31):
or they can sculpt, or they can do whatever until
their heart's desire, until they're like, okay, I think this
is done. Now. You don't have that ability here. So
how was your first few art battles? How did those go?
And what made you fall in love with that type
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of art so much? Because there are I mean, when
you can paint in a solid painting and get people
to like it in twenty minutes, I'm sure that gives
you a lot of empowerments. Like, man, I could do
almost anything if you give me like a day or two,
like I'm gonna have anything done.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It's a lot of practice. And I've tried to talk
to a couple of artists. Sometimes artists will roll in
and they'll say, yeah, I didn't practice at all, Like
I have no idea what I'm painting, and I'm just like,
how do you do that? Because I literally have a
storage unit of canvases from me just practicing and working
(34:32):
through different photo references or my palette reworking the same
reference and trying to get a different I don't know
feel or emotion evoked out of it because I do
a lot of portraits, and yeah, that storage unit is
filled to the brim of canvases.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
What's your go to? Like, I give you twenty minutes
obviously you know that these are coming up many practice runs.
Would you give yourself to figure out what you're going
to do and what is kind of your go to
of Like I know I'm gonna be able to paint
this well in twenty minutes and get a good reaction
from people.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, so I would say, I someone told me recently
that I capture female rage fairly.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Well, that's very very specific.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yes, yeah it is. But I tend to do close
up portraits of women with some form of strong emotion,
and I know I can kill that. I am trying
to branch out a little bit, But I just love
I love looking at a piece and one painting portraits
(35:47):
because people will immediately connect to that. They're going to
try to figure out like what are they feeling, what's
evoke that within the artists or within themselves, And that's
connection there, and that's what art is all about. But
I also like playing with the color palette and not
doing a traditional not that every palette is necessarily traditional,
(36:10):
but I like to play with a lot of neons,
as I referenced earlier, or different contrasting colors that you
typically wouldn't see to paint on a face.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
So yeah, right, Like neon would not be something that
I would think would ever be incorporated into a portrait traditionally,
so you know that certainly would be eye catching. How
do you do in these things? I feel like, you know,
as much as you love this, you got to be
good at it, Like how many of these have you done?
And how does it work? Like what do you win
when you win?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
So every year there's like eight seasons essentially of twelve
artists that compete, so they do it every month or
every other month, but at the end of the year
they'll get all the winners from that season essentially to
where there's twelve artists that are able to come heat
(37:00):
in a city championship or regionally, and then those the
winner from that will go to Nationals. And I've gone
to Nationals twice and I'm waiting to go to Nationals
the third time. So we'll see because I won last year's.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
So how does Nationals work? I mean it's obviously the
same concept, but like, is it in the same place
every year? Like, yes, obviously it's going to be a
step up in like general competition. All these people won
in their cities as well.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Right, Yeah, it's crazy, and it's artists from all over
the US. It's it's really fun. Every time I've gone.
So the first one I went to was in Daytona,
which was in twenty twenty three. That was great. They
flew me out, they set you up in.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
A hotel, they take care of all of that, yes, which.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Is great because as artists, I mean, yeah, I can't
really afford that.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Well, I just wouldn't ever expect that, right because like whenever,
like if you win an award in this industry, as
far as I can tell, sometimes the company will like
help you out but the people putting on the awards show,
they're not flying you out. Yes, you know you were
talking like my friends with the cat got the like
one an aca mm hmm. I think they got sent
(38:18):
out like they they helped get them there. But I mean,
that's that's awesome that it's like, we're not gonna let
you miss this because you don't have the resources.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
It was so cool, and they would they would get
us dinner, and they just really wanted it to feel
like a community, like you guys have earned this spot,
like almost like a like a sporting competition of like heck, yeah,
you guys are awesome, like you're kicking ass, like keep
doing what you're doing. Like they had us do a
(38:50):
bunch of interviews and there was an art festival going
on at the same time, so it was just it
was fabulous experience through and through you do. Man. I
didn't get to the second round unfortunately, but I mean
(39:12):
the artists that were there were insanely talented.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
So well, you're obviously good enough to get there. And
you said you're going to the next one. Where's what
are we what are we coming up on? When is this?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I have no idea. Oh, I'm really hoping that it's
soon because I would love to take a trip.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
So okay, so they just let you know. It's like, hey,
this is.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
You know, we're we're artists, so we're we tend to
be really last minute, and I think that's of the
company as well.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
That's cool though, because obviously people are into it and uh,
you know, like as soon as they figure out what
the heck's going on, then you know, that'd be great.
This is this has been great, This has been interesting.
Now that we know your history, we'll have you come
in and we'll just talk about random stuff sometimes. How's
that sound?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
That sounds fabulous?
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, So like if there's stuff in the world that
you're interested in, and like that one guy, Banksy, that's
his name. Have you seen Banksy? Like you know Banksy? Yeah,
you know, what's up with that guy? I what's the point?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
You know, I'm a little bit of a hater on him.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Like, what's the point of that guy?
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I don't get it, but you know what, we're talking
about him so.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Exactly, and that's that's part of him or they Yeah,
could be like fifteen people we don't know, you know what.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
That's a good theory though, it would explain how they're
getting around all over.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
It's like, you know, somebody would have seen this guy
like a multiple occasions at this point, right, maybe it's
like fifteen different people. Yeah, it's a coalition of like
artists who just want to deface things in public. Like
who knows. But anyway, we'll save more of our banksy
opinions for later. Yeah, this was fantastic. Maddie Hackey who
(40:49):
you can find her. She's general manager of can cater Wait,
what about the art, Like, how can people find the
art if they are inspired by what they've heard in
your art world? How can they find out more about
that side of you?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah, please follow my Instagram. It's at m A D
D I E E H A K E matt Eke.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
There you go, And I don't know, just you can
figure it out. Yeah, just if you just search.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Honestly Google my name is.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I've done that. I did that and I was like, oh,
right there, Yeah, there you go. Fantastic stuff today. Thank
you so much for coming in.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yeah, thank you so much for having me all right.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
And you thank you for listening. This is the last
time for a couple of weeks. You're gonna hear me
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(41:48):
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It's the Emory Soccer Podcast and it's here on the
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for listening to this feed. Quite a week for me.
This is gonna be the last podcast I'm going to
record before I leave for Ireland in Northern Ireland, so
it will be a couple of weeks before we get
another interview into this feed. I'll give you updates on that,
but we got a conversation to have first, and joining
(00:32):
me my guest today is the general manager of the
Omaha Taphouse of Kincater, Great Nebraska Brewery. We have Maddy
Hacky sitting here with me today. Maddie, thanks for coming in,
Thanks for having me. Great to see you. I see
you a lot. I don't know, is that a good thing?
I call you guys my cheers bar heck, yeah, you know,
(00:55):
you know what I mean. It's like you find a
place and you just want to go all the time.
It's like I know the people that are going to
be there. I know. I like the drinks in this case.
You know, you guys have mixed drinks and spirits as well,
but the beer is the backbone. And I just love
having a couple of beers watching a game on TV
and you are like four minutes from my house, which
(01:18):
does not hurt. You know, I can easily walk to
and fro if I need to. How do you describe
king Cater? Right, because you're a young person, being the
general manager of anything at your age is pretty impressive.
But the fact that you have this really cool location
in the Tarbon Village and the fact that this is
a you know, I think one of the better Nebraska
(01:39):
breweries by any account that anybody can can mention with
a ton of different selection, you know, Like, how do
you describe what kin Cater is to people who may
not have come to your tap house or seen the brewery?
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, thank you. I freaking love king Cater obviously the
name not being biased. But before I started working at Kincter,
I didn't like beer, and that sounds it's like such
a cliche.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
But you're catered, sorry to interrupt, we're working at a
tap house, screwry, and you weren't a big fan of beer.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, interesting, I understand. But yeah, I tried snow Beast
and I was just hooked, and so I started venturing
out onto other beers from there. But before that, I
was only really trying ip as. This was like a
couple of years ago obviously where ips were huge and
(02:32):
they still are huge. But I was just like, all
this tastes like grass. Why are people so into craft beer?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I mean, I p as. I still kind of feel
that way.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, yeah, just a little bit, but no, so I
I love kin cater It. It changed my perspective on beer,
and now I love craft beer. I would describe kin
cater Omaha, at least specifically as a Cheers bar. I
get that reference a lot just from all of our
regulars that come in, and eventually, if you sit at
(03:06):
the bar long enough, you're going to have a lot
of crossover and be like, oh hey, I saw that
person on Tuesday, Like especially with our Tumblr Tuesday Club.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Well we'll get to Tumbler Tuesday. Yeah that was that
was that was our gateway to can cater Also, oh
yeah yeah, but the Cheers reference, right, So, like I
think even if you haven't watched all of Cheers and
I've intermittently watched Cheers, but you know, the references with
norm you know, it's like every single person that like,
(03:36):
it's the regulars. They're all at the same bar and
it's just kind of like the conversations and relationships that
people can make at a place. It doesn't even have
to be a bar. It's just a place that people
like to come and it's great to have the beer
and it's great to have the TVs. But it's really
the people that make a place like that and the
fact that you know yourself and some of the other
(03:56):
great folks that work with you at can Cater, And
then on top of that the predictability I think of
the environment. On Mondays we play Krabbitch. We'll get to that.
On Tuesdays you have the Tumblr Tuesday, which is you know,
I think one of the best deals if you're looking
for a way to break up the week, I don't
think there's a better way to do it than Tumbler Tuesday.
(04:17):
Can Cater Wednesday is trivia Night. Thursday you've played bingo.
There's been a lot of bingo, and then Friday Saturday,
those are bar days for anybody, and you guys have
different events that happened regardless. You're in a great spot
too in Xarbon Village, and there's really no tap house
like that along the entire area of Xarbon Village. It's
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just a great place that is kind of the only
one of its kind in that neighborhood, which is awesome.
So I look at it from a perspective of, you know,
how much of that was the genesis of the folks
with the brewery, how much of that was just trying
(04:59):
to incorporate that into this place. How much of that
was stuff that you and your team here in Olmaha
have thought about in trying to build this community of people,
not just because you want everybody to come and drink
the beer, but you want people to just come and
have this space really to forget about the troubles of
the world and just enjoy each other's company.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, yeah, thank you so much. I wanted to have
a space where people walk in and just know each
other and are able to intermingle and you know, have
that regular base. And thankfully concater has done all the
heavy lifting of making a great product. Along with sideshow,
(05:39):
we also have a distillery where we distill everything in Lincoln,
So I mean, we have a lot of different variety
and when you walk into our bar, we can essentially
you're gonna find something that you're gonna want to drink
there and then just having the consistency of great service
and knowing who you're going to run into. It's either
(05:59):
gonna me Jaden, Lauren Rosie, I mean Kyle behind the bar,
and so having that core group of people always being
there saying Hi, Hey, how are you.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
And seemingly loving their job.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yes, yeah, I mean you're slinging beers. It's awesome.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
But I've been in places where, you know, like there
seems to be kind of a ticking clock on a
lot of the people behind the bar. You're not sure
how long they'll be there. You're not sure how much
they really enjoy the interaction or how much they enjoy
you know, mixing drinks or whatever it is. That's you know,
you don't get that vibe from anybody at Kink. Everybody
seems like they're like excited to work into the social
(06:40):
aspect of that. You mentioned that the regulars here. How
much of the kind of culture in this kind of
world of craft beer in breweries now, because there's there's
still a lot. I mean, if you ask craft brewers now,
it's harder now than it was maybe ten years ago
(07:02):
to get one started. But it's really about the product
and if you have like a few good beers at
least you can really operate pretty healthily. I think it's
the breweries that only really have like one signature beer
that seem to kind of struggle. If you're, you know,
talking about this from a standpoint of the product, right,
(07:22):
Is there a couple you mentioned Snowbeasts. I know a
lot of people because you know, I go to the
bar a lot. Snow Beasts isn't really my jam, but
I know a ton of people that snow Beast is
like their favorite beer and they will stock up when
Snowbast is available. Oh yeah, yeah, And so like that
seems to be kind of a cornerstone, but there are
so many different options. Is there specific beers that you
(07:46):
have that you've noticed are really kind of those gateway
beers to get people to want to either come into
the tap house or want to buy some of the
stock that you have of these kin Cater brews that
may be a little bit more seasonal or are just backbone.
You just know, if we have this available, people will
buy it.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah. So kin Catered does a great job of brewing
a lot of different brews, flavors, styles, just we cover
our bases. There's going to be a beer for someone
even if they don't like beer. Obviously I'm one of
the cases for that. But I would say brew Ja
(08:25):
is a great light ale. You love bru Ja, I.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Love I can. I mean, I don't know if this
is a great thing to say, but I could just
crush brew Ja all day.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I honestly say, I typically lean towards more flavored beers,
but brew j is just a nice crisp ale. They
killed it with that one.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
It tastes good, but it feels like water going down.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, yeah, great, exactly, honeywey Ale is great. Dragon juice
ipa is juicy ipa. It's a pretty mild ipa. I
don't typically like IPAs, as I mentioned earlier, but dragon
juice I can crush. Mix that with our grapefruit rattler.
And I love mixing beers.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Okay, And this is another thing. I'm going to stop
you right there. You're like an alchemist back there, and
you're just like put this one and this one together,
and it's like, okay, like who does this? Like who
mixes beers like this? What's the backstory of mixing beers?
And being like, actually this kind of works.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah. My only claim to mixology is with beers, honestly,
so very strange. Yes, yeah, I mean when I was
first working there, the salted caramel peanut butter amber ale
came out. It was in the fall, that's typically when
it rolls out, and it's so sweet and a lot
of people love it, but you kind of just need
(09:41):
to cut it with something, So I put a splash
of the brown ale in there. And I can't remember
if someone told me about that or if we were
just goofing off behind the bar, because you know, we
technically do that. Yeah, why not?
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Like I wonder what this tastes like?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so yeah, we just started mixing
a bunch of stuff. And our previous general manager Oz
he was great. He's now in Lincoln, and he would
mix dragon juice with the grapefruit rattler and that's amazing too.
And all of our beers are pretty flavorful, so you
(10:18):
can get those like true like combinations. Like occasionally we'll
do a shot of our hall Opinio vodka with our
grapefruit rattler and it's like a spicy paloma. So yeah,
it's endless.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
How would you even think about doing that? As hilarious.
Now for people who are like grapefruit rattlers, like you
guys have rattlers, which you know from my non drinking mother,
is like a perfect like flavorful and light option. And
I know that those are like really popular for like
cyclists who are going through the neighborhood. Yeah, because it's
(10:54):
they're just so easy to drink and they're not going
to get you like overtly intoxicated drinking just one or
two of them. So there is like this huge gambit
of different types of beers that you have. I absolutely
love it. You guys do amazing work and I love
going there, and I was there. We started doing the
Tumblr Tuesday and you can find the deals on thinking
cater site. It's just anybody that we've ever talked to.
(11:17):
It's just like, you gotta do Tumblr Tuesday. It's the
best night to go to the bar. It breaks up
the week. But it's also like you save a lot
of money very quickly if you want to do that
and get together with friends and all that. But I
don't know if it was a Tuesday or what. I
was there with my wife And you can bring dogs in,
which is one of the reasons we also started coming
all the time was we could bring the dogs inside. Uh,
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And we brought a cribbage board, which is not unusual
for us, Like we travel with a cribbage board. It's
a you know, we got like this little cribbage board.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, it's just like my wife and I like we
learned how to play like I played when I was
younger with my daddy, got taught by my music director.
The long story, but cribbage had been in my life before,
but I hadn't played it in well over a decade,
I don't think when I was like, we were going
on a trip to a cabin in Arkansas and the Ozarks,
and I was like, I've wanted to get back into cribbage.
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And we watched the show Letter Kenny, and it's.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Very funny, Oh let Kenny.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
But they referenced cribbage a couple of times and there
I'm like, oh, I remember playing cribbage, and I was like,
that would be a fun game to play and teach
my wife how to play. And then we just like
started playing all the time. And I've taught probably like
twenty people, no joke, how to play cribbage over the
last you know, like four or five years.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, but it's just a game that's fairly easy to learn,
and once you learn it, you can fall back into
it pretty easy after a couple of hands, even if
they unplayed in a while. And it's super social and
you score points, so it's like, you know, you're trying
to score something. It's a great game. And you saw
me in her playing one day and you were just like,
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you guys play cribbage. You should come on Mondays. We're
trying to, you know, get a group together to play cribbage.
I had no idea what you were talking about. So
can you explain your history with cribbage? This archaic? It's
not archaic, but like this old card game. Yeah, that
I mean if you would have asked me five years ago,
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is like, oh, I've heard of that, but you know,
and I've played it a little bit, but I know
no one else who plays. And it feels like right now,
I know like probably fifty people in my life that
play or know how to play, and a lot of
it has to do with what you guys are doing
on Mondays. But how did you figure out how to
play cribbage? Or that you even wanted to play cribbage.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, so one of our regular's Bill, he's the norm
of our bar in comparison to cheers, but awesome Bill.
We were bored one day, I think in the summer,
and we talked about playing cribbage for a little bit.
His family is all about cribbage. They do tournaments and stuff,
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and he's like one of thirteen, so huge family and
that's just what they bond over and it's fabulous. So
he'd been wanting to teach me how to play cribbage.
I found out that the way I learned was wrong,
and so he taught me at the bar and we
were like, we should just do a cribbage club, and
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he was the driving force of it.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
So you, I mean you're new, like you didn't I
mean you had played obviously some version or variation of
cribbage before, but you were not like a regular cribbage
player until Bill at the bar, Yeah, showed.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
You how yep, Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, and he's a great teacher, super patient. I could
tell he was really excited because he printed out all
the rules and I'm about to laminate them because they've
been passed around the bar because so many people are
playing now at the bar, which is great and it's
good to reference.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Back to and on a Monday night again, what a
great way to spend time early in the week. And
I think a lot of people Monday is like the
worst day of the week for them. It's tough to
get back into work after a weekend. You know, you
had the Sunday scaries. You're just trying to get through
that first day of the week.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Having a place you can just go and just know
that you're going to see some familiar face and have
a fun thing to do, and I think that's what
people keeps people coming back. There are people who just learned,
you know, and I started coming when you invited us,
and we are having a blast playing with different people.
But we've taught I mean, between Bill and me and
some of the others, like we've taught probably at least
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fifteen new people how to play over the last like
six months.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
And I feel like it's just exploded, like it's awesome.
Like at first it was just me and Bill and
then slowly recruited a couple other people and then that
was a stable and then you and Carrie started coming
in and Yeah, all of a sudden, we have like
a solid group and now Mondays is probably one of
my favorite days.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
It's so fun. Yeah, and it's like a not a
traditional bar day.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
So, and I've noticed this, there's a concater cribbage board, yeah,
which is awesome. But i mean, you guys are like
owning this. And I'm sure there are other places. Omaha's
big place. There's got to be other places that have
cribbage nights and things like that. But just to kind
of like have one start generally pretty organically. Yeah, I
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mean that's it's it's not a promotional tactic like Tumblr Tuesday.
It's really a community thing that just brings people into
the bar.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
It's really wholesome, but it is. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
And we all just going there. We're just playing cards
with each other, yeah right, yeah, and we.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Give each other crap and we get a high button involved.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
And the high button is a great addition to the bar, honestly. Yes,
for anybody who doesn't know what a high button is,
it's like she has you have to you have like
a big one behind the bar.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah. I have one attached my key chain right here.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, and you have one that you just have portable
with you and it just like it's like an airhorn. Basically.
It's like, I mean, this is the kind of fun
that people are having here, people and the find it
doesn't even have to be kinkid. I'm not trying to
make this like a commercial for can cater It, but
it's like having a place like that is an enriching
thing to people's lives. It really is. And that's one
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thing that I think people miss when they don't have
something like that where they can just see people that
they're familiar with, is they don't feel a sense of community.
You've talked to me about kind of your history and
all the different places you've lived. You're still a very
young person, but it's like one of those things where
you know, I've moved a lot, but I haven't moved
town to town or state to state a lot. You know.
(17:27):
My biggest move was clearly my des Moines to Omaha
move that I made a few years ago. And I
moved from a small town to Des Moines, which felt
like a crazy culture shock, but I had been in
des Moines so much before that, just visiting or staying
with people or doing different things or working that. It
really didn't feel like that much of a culture shock
for me. I couldn't imagine some of the places you've lived.
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We can list them off, like some of the places
that you lived and could you know, yeah, like you
spent some time in Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
So I was a military brat, so my dad was
Harry along with my stepdad, both Navy. So I just
grew up hopping around a whole bunch, which I love.
I feel like that's the best way to explore anywhere
is to just live there. And so I've lived really
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young age Virginia Beach for like two to four years,
I can't remember exactly, and then California and Texas primarily,
and then Washington State. I lived in Vegas for a while,
and then I moved here primarily West Coast as an adult.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Okay, so East Coast and Texas, but you were mostly
like southern California, yeah, and then Seattle, yeah, Washington State
or whatever, yep, and then Vegas and then Almaha. Now
you're not thirty yet, so I'm just gonna spoil it
for everybody. You're not quite thirty yet. So that's a
lot of places in a short amount of time. What
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brought you to Omaha.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
During the pandemic, I was living in Vegas. I moved
to Vegas in January twenty twenty, and I'm an artist,
so I was hoping to gain some traction somewhere in Vegas,
whether it be like starting out my own gallery or
at the time, I was selling to a gentleman that
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was buying a lot of my pieces for a bunch
of money, and it was great. I was able to
live off that for a little bit, and so that
was a huge factor as to why I moved to Vegas.
But then the pandemic obviously hit and you know, put
a wrench in some things. And yeah, so I ended up, though,
still working in Vegas a little bit with some body painting.
(19:50):
I worked a skin city. They paint all the acrobats
for Cirque and wow, yeah, all the models that would
like be walking around the Bellagio. I painted a couple
of them and it was a really cool experience. But
it just wasn't sustainable. Obviously, it's all service industry there,
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which is what I do now and arts. The pandemic
was not very forgiving to Vegas. So decided to leave.
And I was torn between Nashville or Omaha, and I
have some family here and I never lived really by family,
so as.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
A military person, right, like, you can't really ever get
used to living in one place, let alone being around
other people of your family are just like your location
in a lot of ways, just out of your hands,
out of your control.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, And I mean that's not something I'm
mind too terribly, but I thought it'd just be nice
and so.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
A little change up.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah yeah. So yeah, been in Omaha for about four
years now, which is the longest I've lived anywhere so
as an adult.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
So Omaha family, but Nashville did not. No.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Oh. They both had similar unemployment rates, which is something
I look at when I'm moving around. And then it
was weird because I went to Nashville while living in
Vegas to kind of scope it out and also just
like have a vacation.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, it would get a little recon in there though.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah. Yeah, and their slogan there was nash Vegas and interesting.
I was just, hm, that seems a little weird. I
don't know if I want to repeat a Vegas. But
Nashville was awesome. Love the food, I love the South.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
But yeah, Nashville kind of has this vibe of being
like the Vegas of that region though, right, it's just
like it's a place where people go and you just
don't really have to have a reason to go. You
just go because you know that broadways there, you know
that there's stuff for you to do. There's obviously all
the country music, like that's the big selling point of it, right,
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more than anything.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
So, yeah, all the live music. Also, just when I'm
traveling around, I'll ask bartenders specifically like hey, where should
I go to next, or like how do you like
your city? Just to gauge, and there's a lot of
transplants there, and the overall vibe I got was, yeah,
it's it's a great town. I'm gonna be leaving here
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in about, you know, a.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Couple of years, and so there's like an expiration d
it almost Yeah, how much fun it becomes.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
No one was excited. But maybe they're just trying to
keep the people out and be like this is Nashville,
you know, let's keep it in Nashville.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I don't know, but it's interesting because Vegas has kind
of a similar vibe. If you go back like fifteen
twenty years, it used to be one thing and now
it's a completely different thing, Oh for sure, you know,
and there are plays. Nashville feels that way already. It
was kind of just this country music haven, but it
has kind of since become this destination for people to
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you know, travel or have vacation, or do bachelor or
bachelorette parties or.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yes, yeah, we saw a ton of those.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
It doesn't it doesn't have to be country music related
anymore to you know. So I think that's good probably
for business, but it probably isn't great for the longtime
Nashvillians who are just kind of like, what have you
done to my city kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, Whereas when I came to Omaha, everyone is so
excited to show you Omaha, Like if they find out
that you are a transplant somewhere, they're like, hey, hit
up these places. And I'm guilty of it too now
where it's just Omaha is a hidden gem of the Midwest,
and I love it.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Well a It's just a pretty affordable place to live
comperatively to a lot of the places you've mentioned. Number two,
there's something Midwestern about people being prideful and where they live,
and they just don't feel like they've it's gotten the
right amount of attention, and there's a lot of people
out here that just love what Omaha is now and
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want to keep it the same, you know, the same
thing for the morning in Omaha growing at similar rates.
Omaha is bigger than the Moines, but like both metropolitan
areas are growing at a pretty solid rate. But a
lot of people are you know, excited about the prospects
of what that brings, right, It's like it's more business,
more opportunities. A lot of companies are trying to invest
in here, and it's great for a ton of different ages.
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Like you could be a retirement age and save a
lot of money and feel like you're living in an
enriched life here. But you can also be in your
twenties or thirties, not have kids and still feel like
there's a ton happening for you to go out and enjoy.
And that's one thing, you know, maybe I I came
from the complete opposite background of view. I didn't move
at all when I was growing up, and I was
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from a smaller place in southeastern Iowa, and I was
an hour and a half away from the Moines. I
was like five hours away from any major city, and
I didn't get to see a lot of that stuff.
So when I had a chance to live in Des
Moines at twenty seven years old, it just felt like
this is the biggest city in the world. The world
is my oyster. I'm so excited. Yeah, and then going
from De Moines to Omaha is kind of a natural
(24:58):
step to a bigger pl My wife and I absolutely
love it here, and I think that's one of the
things that you know, like you touched on when you
go to different places and you compare it one to one,
to like a Nashville or to a Vegas, you realize
that it is quite unique and its welcoming capabilities. It's
not lene of these hearty you know, stay out of here,
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or move it our speed or get out of my
way towns. Yes, it's very much like welcome, We're happy
to have you.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, it's it's truly the people that make it here.
It's a fabulous community. I've moved around a lot, as
I've mentioned, and I've never found a community quicker. Now.
I blame my job for that, and my job is
help Yeah, love love my job. But I've found my
community through my job, and it's a great one. I'm
incredibly thankful for it. But yeah, the mentality of every
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city that I've been to in comparison, has just been
a little bit like, yeah, stay stay out of my way,
a little bit more abrupt. I wouldn't say harsh, but
just not as welcoming.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
They don't have time for you. Yeah, yeah, like I
got I have stuff to do, I got places to
be exactly all right. It was great to meet you know,
scram get out here. Yeah. You mentioned your art, and
I want to get into that here because I think
if there was one thing I wish I was good at,
I wish I could draw or paint, and I don't
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think I would have said that. Five years ago, I
did a therapy session and I was dealing with some
just general challenges, you know, challenges that adults go through
when life isn't going the way you want it to
at a different point. And I was going and seeing
this therapist and she was, gosh, I don't even like
Hungarian or something like. She she had a very different
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attitude about things than the American people I've seen that
are either therapists or life coach. And one thing that
she really subscribed to was art therapy, Like even you
don't have to be good at this, but just sit
there and like express yourself through drawing, you know, just
use different colors to express yourself, express yourself in ways
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that are uncomfortable for you, and you might unlock something
that you never felt before. And now it happened. Like
I was sitting there and I hate the permanence of paint.
It's like one of those things. It's like it scares
me to death, even though I wish I was good
at it, Like it scares me to death. So I, yeah,
she gave me like color pencils and a sketchbook and
just like spend like ten minutes like just trying to
(27:35):
draw how you feel. It doesn't have to be anything. Yeah,
and I could feel my brain working, like it's just like, oh,
I kind of like this. This is really interesting And
anybody who's good at it, I just have a profound
respect for it because it is not something that you
just are if you're not good at it when you're young.
It is not something that is easy to get good at.
(27:57):
You kind of have to have a touch to it.
That's not to say that people can't enjoy doing it,
because I do enjoy whenever I do something like this.
But then I saw a piece that you'd worked on
for yourself, and I knew you had done this. People
have talked about you doing the artwork at the bar
and you do these competitions, which I'll mention here in
a second, but it's like, wow, this is incredibly impressive.
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So where did the art thing come from? Like, because
it is clear that this was something that you've been
good at for a long time. This is not a
recent discovery that hey, I can paint.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Thank you. I really appreciate that I was grounded a
lot as a kid.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
That's an interesting way to start the story.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, so I could either read or draw, so I
would just do that all the time because I hated reading.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Did you know that you were good at it right away?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
No? It was just incredibly bored. I mean art always
interested me, but I would try to create something and
you'd look at it and just be like, oh my gosh,
this is terrible. This is not how I wanted it
to look at all. And I think that's what intimidates
a lot of people at first. But eventually, if you
work at it enough, you're going to be able to
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create what you envisioned, and I started to thoroughly enjoy it, and.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
I like, what age were you, like high school age
when you were like, wait a second, this is actually
something I have fun doing.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
I always got sketch books, and you know that Christmas
art kid and every kid gets.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
You know, and I like markers, I mean just watercolor. Yeah,
and you have like sixty colors to choose from.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I was just like, okay, now this is going to
keep me busy for a while.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely, So I'd always get those as
a kid. And yeah, sketchbooks, so I don't know, I
would say, on and off through elementary and middle school,
and then I start getting into it in high school
a lot where I would just like sketch out random
things and actually invest a little bit more time into
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the piece. And then my mom let me do a
mural in my room, a fairly small mural, because I
wanted to experiment with paint, because it's funny that you
brought up like the permanence of it. I was so
intimidated by that that I limited my palette. I was like,
I only want black and white. For some reason, my
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brain was okay with that, and then I just took
off and I loved it. So once I graduated and
moved away to San Diego, I started just practicing with
that a little bit more so. Yeah. Ever since then,
I'd say like ten years, I've invested like thoroughly trying
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to hone in on my style.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
How would you describe your style and how and how
you got there? Right?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah? I think I was still work shopping through it
until recently. And I credit that to Art Battle, which
is that speed painting competition.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Might as well just get into it right now. This
is unbelievable with people who do this thing, like people
like you and people who you're competing with. I didn't
know this was possible. So explain the rules and like
how it works.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah. So Art Battle is a great organization. It's worldwide actually,
and what's funny is it's been in all the cities
that I've lived in, and I never knew about it
until moving to Omaha and they're promoting their first art
Battle here. But it's essentially, you have twenty minutes to
paint a canvas and you're back typically probably twenty by
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twenty four or eighteen by twenty I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
So decent. But I mean that's pretty decent size.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. And you're up against twelve other
artists and you're separated into two rounds and people will
vote on it, and then the top four artists will
compete for the final round and they're the winner essentially
for that.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Is there a rule on what you can or cannot paint?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
You can paint whatever you want so you.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Get twenty minutes. Is there a limit to the colors
that you have to start with?
Speaker 2 (32:21):
No? No.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Can you bring your own your own stuff?
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Like, you can bring your own materials. I typically do
just because I like to play with a lot of
neons and I like to know what my palette will be.
But they do supply some paint. You can also do
some spray painting if you want, or like I saw
a guy do clay and actually sculpt onto the canvas.
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It was insane, And he had twenty minutes and he
did a whole face with like an eagle flying out
of the canvas. It was it was absolutely spectacular. I've
never seen anything like that. I was like, possible, that
guy just kicked my ass. Excuse me, I don't know
if I can swear.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
No, you can okay, but yeah, no, literally like that.
That sounds incrazy. That sounds incredible to me.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
I think that one of the things that I find
so impressive is the fact that you have that time constraint.
You don't have time to think, like right, I mean,
you just kind of have to do it. So it's
a completed thing and you're working against a clock, which
for a lot of people in art, like one of
the things they love about art is that there is
no clock that they can just like they can paint
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or they can sculpt, or they can do whatever until
their heart's desire, until they're like, okay, I think this
is done. Now. You don't have that ability here. So
how was your first few art battles? How did those go?
And what made you fall in love with that type
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of art so much? Because there are I mean, when
you can paint in a solid painting and get people
to like it in twenty minutes, I'm sure that gives
you a lot of empowerments. Like, man, I could do
almost anything if you give me like a day or two,
like I'm gonna have anything done.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
It's a lot of practice. And I've tried to talk
to a couple of artists. Sometimes artists will roll in
and they'll say, yeah, I didn't practice at all, Like
I have no idea what I'm painting, and I'm just like,
how do you do that? Because I literally have a
storage unit of canvases from me just practicing and working
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through different photo references or my palette reworking the same
reference and trying to get a different I don't know
feel or emotion evoked out of it because I do
a lot of portraits, and yeah, that storage unit is
filled to the brim of canvases.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
What's your go to? Like, I give you twenty minutes
obviously you know that these are coming up many practice runs.
Would you give yourself to figure out what you're going
to do and what is kind of your go to
of Like I know I'm gonna be able to paint
this well in twenty minutes and get a good reaction
from people.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah, so I would say, I someone told me recently
that I capture female rage fairly.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Well, that's very very specific.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yes, yeah it is. But I tend to do close
up portraits of women with some form of strong emotion,
and I know I can kill that. I am trying
to branch out a little bit, But I just love
I love looking at a piece and one painting portraits
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because people will immediately connect to that. They're going to
try to figure out like what are they feeling, what's
evoke that within the artists or within themselves, And that's
connection there, and that's what art is all about. But
I also like playing with the color palette and not
doing a traditional not that every palette is necessarily traditional,
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but I like to play with a lot of neons,
as I referenced earlier, or different contrasting colors that you
typically wouldn't see to paint on a face.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
So yeah, right, Like neon would not be something that
I would think would ever be incorporated into a portrait traditionally,
so you know that certainly would be eye catching. How
do you do in these things? I feel like, you know,
as much as you love this, you got to be
good at it, Like how many of these have you done?
And how does it work? Like what do you win
when you win?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
So every year there's like eight seasons essentially of twelve
artists that compete, so they do it every month or
every other month, but at the end of the year
they'll get all the winners from that season essentially to
where there's twelve artists that are able to come heat
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in a city championship or regionally, and then those the
winner from that will go to Nationals. And I've gone
to Nationals twice and I'm waiting to go to Nationals
the third time. So we'll see because I won last year's.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
So how does Nationals work? I mean it's obviously the
same concept, but like, is it in the same place
every year? Like, yes, obviously it's going to be a
step up in like general competition. All these people won
in their cities as well.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Right, Yeah, it's crazy, and it's artists from all over
the US. It's it's really fun. Every time I've gone.
So the first one I went to was in Daytona,
which was in twenty twenty three. That was great. They
flew me out, they set you up in.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
A hotel, they take care of all of that, yes, which.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Is great because as artists, I mean, yeah, I can't
really afford that.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Well, I just wouldn't ever expect that, right because like whenever,
like if you win an award in this industry, as
far as I can tell, sometimes the company will like
help you out but the people putting on the awards show,
they're not flying you out. Yes, you know you were
talking like my friends with the cat got the like
one an aca mm hmm. I think they got sent
(38:18):
out like they they helped get them there. But I mean,
that's that's awesome that it's like, we're not gonna let
you miss this because you don't have the resources.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
It was so cool, and they would they would get
us dinner, and they just really wanted it to feel
like a community, like you guys have earned this spot,
like almost like a like a sporting competition of like heck, yeah,
you guys are awesome, like you're kicking ass, like keep
doing what you're doing. Like they had us do a
(38:50):
bunch of interviews and there was an art festival going
on at the same time, so it was just it
was fabulous experience through and through you do. Man. I
didn't get to the second round unfortunately, but I mean
(39:12):
the artists that were there were insanely talented.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
So well, you're obviously good enough to get there. And
you said you're going to the next one. Where's what
are we what are we coming up on? When is this?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I have no idea. Oh, I'm really hoping that it's
soon because I would love to take a trip.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
So okay, so they just let you know. It's like, hey,
this is.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
You know, we're we're artists, so we're we tend to
be really last minute, and I think that's of the
company as well.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
That's cool though, because obviously people are into it and uh,
you know, like as soon as they figure out what
the heck's going on, then you know, that'd be great.
This is this has been great, This has been interesting.
Now that we know your history, we'll have you come
in and we'll just talk about random stuff sometimes. How's
that sound?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
That sounds fabulous?
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, So like if there's stuff in the world that
you're interested in, and like that one guy, Banksy, that's
his name. Have you seen Banksy? Like you know Banksy? Yeah,
you know, what's up with that guy? I what's the point?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
You know, I'm a little bit of a hater on him.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Like, what's the point of that guy?
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I don't get it, but you know what, we're talking
about him so.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Exactly, and that's that's part of him or they Yeah,
could be like fifteen people we don't know, you know what.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
That's a good theory though, it would explain how they're
getting around all over.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
It's like, you know, somebody would have seen this guy
like a multiple occasions at this point, right, maybe it's
like fifteen different people. Yeah, it's a coalition of like
artists who just want to deface things in public. Like
who knows. But anyway, we'll save more of our banksy
opinions for later. Yeah, this was fantastic. Maddie Hackey who
(40:49):
you can find her. She's general manager of can cater Wait,
what about the art, Like, how can people find the
art if they are inspired by what they've heard in
your art world? How can they find out more about
that side of you?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah, please follow my Instagram. It's at m A D
D I E E H A K E matt Eke.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
There you go, And I don't know, just you can
figure it out. Yeah, just if you just search.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Honestly Google my name is.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I've done that. I did that and I was like, oh,
right there, Yeah, there you go. Fantastic stuff today. Thank
you so much for coming in.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yeah, thank you so much for having me all right.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
And you thank you for listening. This is the last
time for a couple of weeks. You're gonna hear me
in this feed, probably not going to get to another
episode until probably April sixth, I would guess I'm gonna
be spending a couple of weeks in Ireland, Northern Island
and Ireland. Very excited for that. If you're interested in
following along with our adventure, you can follow me at
(41:48):
Emory Songer Radio on Facebook, adam Ory Songer on Instagram
or on x And we'd love for you to enjoy
our adventure from Afar if you so choose, and we
will talk to you in the Emory Songer podcast feed
probably on April sixth, so stay tuned on that. Thank
you so much for listening and for subscribing on the
free iHeartRadio app, and we will talk to you next time.
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