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June 9, 2026 41 mins
Sammy takes a look at whether Lamar Jackson or Joe Burrow could find new homes soon + what defines success at the World Cup for America this year? Brock Huard from the Brock & Salk radio show in Seattle stops by to give his thoughts on the NFC West as well as CFB expansion. Tune in!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm going along with Shammy. That's gonna be hot jack
on the story of the day. Plus he's warning now
it's Sammy long Potter's gonna win last night.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
How about that six to two playing small ball late
in that game. We'll get to that here in a second.
Very excited, I got a big guests joined me today
two thirty. Brock Heward from Brock and SoC in Seattle
Sports up there longtime radio show six to ten. Was
a college football analyst, star quarterback at the University of

(00:36):
Washington for years and back to Peyton Manning, so he
jumped on recorded with him earlier.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Play that back.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Coming up at two thirty brock h were kind of
discussing everything of the Miles Gary deal from a Seattle
Seahawks perspective, little inside look at the NFC West, as
well as what he thinks about the college football playoff
and whether it should go to a twenty fourteen playoffs.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
So excited to get to play that back.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Coming up at two thirty and about fifteen minutes, could
we see Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow on the move.
Joe Burrow's contract just got restructured today. We're gonna get
in some spicy comments from Lewis or Ridding and coming
up in a few minutes, we're gonna get to Lanta.
Donovan landon Donovan ahead of the World Cup, kind of
had some interesting thoughts on American soccer and what this

(01:21):
World Cup will mean. But the Potters, let's say, you know,
they got to win last night. I give him a
lot of credit. Was it was it a a exciting win. No,
they played small ball, they got around the Bass pass.
But I give them credit. I mean, they just needed
to win a game. They need to stop the bleeding.
The series against the Mets over the weekend was we

(01:42):
got into yesterday was not was not good and they respotted.
You know, a guy got some rough news over the
weekend with Ramo Loreano being out for the season, and
the team really felt like he was at a low point.
Now they got to actually win the series. The Cincinnati
Reds are in the playoff hunt. What it's kind of
been the Reds thing all year, Like Abbott was tremendous

(02:03):
against the Pottery starters and then the bullpen for the
Reds is ranked twenty nine to thirtieth in most categories,
and the Potteris were able to.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Get to him.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
I give staman In the offense little credit for going
to small ball. I mean we got we spent all
last year like, oh please, no more small ball from
Mike Shild.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
I mean that was the narrative.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
All Mike Shild wanted to do was play small ball bunting,
you know, kind of getting runners in the scoring positioned.
But with the way the offense has been this year,
I give stamm In some credit for just trying something
because the offense has not been good. We've talked about
that a lot, and they haven't broke out of it.

(02:43):
It's been more than just a slump of hey, they're
not hitting for a week or two weeks or something
like that.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
So do we gotta do?

Speaker 2 (02:50):
And you saw the damn kind of break last night
for the Cincinnati Reds because they kept leaning on him.
Now Frando Tatis came up with bases loaded, Manny Machada
with the shot to really end that game. They didn't
didn't end up hurting them because they were able to
kind of again play small ball and get around the
base pass with those three straight bunts.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
But this is this is an interesting game.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Chase Burns a very talented pitcher for the Sincinanti Reds
has had a really good season so far, and the
underlying part about last night is the Potteris still are
not hitting starting pitching. In kind of a theme that
we've seen a lot this year is when the Potter's
have stepped up in competition and you face the Dodgers,

(03:33):
now they didn't have that within Diaz, but still very
good bullpen, very good closers Kyle Hurt Alex Vesia has
been taking that throne your rebay with the Brewers, who
they did get to in that game too when Gavin
cheets at three runs shot off of him. But when
you set up in and face elite closers Johann Duran
from the Phillies, it hasn't always worked out because the

(03:54):
Potteris have relied on getting after team's bullpens so frequently.
Now a team like the Reds, who is an okay
team fighting for playoff positioning, have a good starting pitching
staff missing Ellie de la Cruz one of their best
players right now, you know you can kind of wait
them out until the starters out of the game and
try to chase their bullpen, and it's worked against the

(04:16):
lesser teams against the upper tier teams, that's just not gonna,
not gonna happen. And this is another opportunity against again.
Chase Burns is a very talented player, an e er
a hanging right around too to get to some starting pitching,
because it can't just be that the team gets to
the bullpen every game and are relying on these late
inning heroics. That works against the Rockies, that doesn't work

(04:36):
against the Dodgers. So win this series. Make a statement
to night against Chase Burns. Hopefully they can't get after them,
and we're talking about a series win for the San
Diego Patters.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
All right, World Cup, we're.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
The home of all the US matches starting on Friday.
We're gonna be down in little Italy, So come join us.
Fletch and I will be down there. I'll be down
there and Sliwa and Shae or so if you're driving
around when you get a beer and watch watch the
US game, come on down to Italy on Friday. At
the Piazza Landon, Donovan was on Rich Eisen and he

(05:11):
was talking about what needs to change for this US team,
and he referenced that the US is not won a
knockout games. It's two thousand and two and kind of
the development of what this World Cup means for US
soccer in the future.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
This is what Landon Donovan had to say on Richisen.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
What do you think of the current state of affairs.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
We're going to find out a lot this summer. But
I was just talking to someone. I mean that two
thousand and two. It's funny you bring up that memory.
That's the furthest the men have ever been, and you
would think that we would have gotten further.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
In the men's side.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
We have won one knockout game meaning get out of
your group, yep, knockout game in our history, and that
was against Mexico, right two round of sixteen. How we
haven't done that since? That really hit me when they
said that. That's pretty alarming. We're not developing players like
the rest of the world do.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Why is that?

Speaker 3 (06:05):
You know, colleges and college athletics and universities are the
feeder system for most Olympic sports, right right, And that's
one of the concerns you have in the world of
nil and plea people moving around and portals and what
have you.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
In soccer, it's different because that age group is actually
where we do lose a lot of players they go
into from seventeen eighteen, nineteen twenty. Our college system doesn't
isn't competitive enough to feed into professional soccer. So basically,
if you're sixteen seventeen, you haven't made it. You're not
on an MLS roster, a first team roster.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
So landon Donovan kind of talking about the disparity and
talent between the US in you wonder where the US
would be if like we'll be frank obviously, soccer is
not the most popular sport in America. You know, football
is certainly more popular than it NBA or basketball, baseball,
argue hockey, you get into a lot of different stuff.

(06:58):
It is not the premier sport overseas while you're seeing
it's it's the world's biggest game. And in England, if
you're if you're small enough, you're gonna be a soccer player.
If you're too big, you're gonna box. There's really only
two options if you want to get into sports. But
this is such a massive World Cup in terms of
what it means for the US going forward, because this

(07:20):
was kind of the World Cup that everyone had circled
for America in that America in the last World Cup
in twenty twenty two was really young. They got out
of the group stage, they did not score very much
and they got beat by the Netherlands. Now they got
beat by the Netherlands three to one in that first
knockout round game.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
I give the US some credit. They fought in that game.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Polistic missed a chance six minutes into the game that
kind of would have flipped it. In the group stage
of that tournament, they did draw against England, which was
kind of a kind of a win for the US
because everyone was predicting that England would would would mop
the floor with America. I remember when the group stages
got announced, the newspapers all over England saying Yankee doodle like,

(08:03):
celebrating that they got in America in the in the
in the bracket. In America, America held their own and
everyone had this World Cup circle. Because the long running
thing with America is over the years those Landon Donovan
teams as Clint Dempsey teams back to nineteen ninety four
with Alexi Lawless, it was all about toughness. America was

(08:24):
never as skilled as obviously we're not as skilled as
Spain or France or England or Argentina or one of
these countries where soccer is the number one sport. But
it's been about like toughness and playing a tough style
of soccer that has got in America places. I mean,
nineteen ninety four they went on a run. Two thousand
and two, Landon Donovan mentioned it beat Mexico in a

(08:47):
knockout round. That's the last time they won a knockout
round game. And this is where it's a real tipping
point for soccer because the US, the US are like
a college football team that doesn't score. It's like they're decent.
US just has the fourteenth best odds to win the

(09:08):
whole thing. Not that anyone's picking America to win the
World Cup, but the US has held their own in
Summer Guard. But they're not what you would call exciting
in terms of they don't have a Lamina Mall from
Spain or killing In Bappe from France, or a Messy
from Argentina or Ronaldo from Portugal who's scoring goals left
and right. They have to play a very defensive style

(09:30):
and create opportunities. But this World Cup, everyone's looked at
as could they possibly break through in summer guard you
got Pochettino, who who was coming over from the Premier League,
you know, had had success at Chelsea and I believe Tottenham.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
I'm not in touch with all my.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Premier League soccer, but he's he's you know, certainly was
a big hire after Greg Burhalz got kind of kicked
to the side of the road against what he was
the manager before Potchattino. And you finally have a star
Christian Polistic, who is a legit star overseas, and you
point to and the problem talking to a lot of

(10:08):
you know, kind of soccer people over the years, Darren
Adrian and just watching the US team, Christian Polistic was
never really a striker. He's really more of a winger
and that's where he's best to be played. But over
the years, especially his time with the US team, he's
had to play striker because the US ben national team
has really not had any other options. Well, now he

(10:30):
got Balligan Vlaren Balagan is a guy who could have
played for England shows to play for the US. He
is a traditional striker that finally gives America another scoring option.
Why there's so much excitement heading into this World Cup.
He got Geo Rena. If we all remember the controversy
in twenty twenty two when he was the Rena family

(10:51):
was tight with the Burholtz family, who Sebastian Burholz plays
on the team. Greg Burholter was the manager at the time.
Burholter sat Raina on the bench and then Raina's parents
went to the US Federation and tried to get Greg
Burholz fired and kind of succeeded.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
It's all drama.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
You can look it up g Arena in Greg Burhltz
if you're not familiar with it. But Giorna is the
guy that people kind of pencil in is another up
and coming star for the US. So when we look
at this World Cup in a in a group that
you know, Paraguay, Turkey, a lot of people thing is
it is tough to get out of The minimum has

(11:30):
to be that you get out of the group. That
has to be a bare minimum, and I think you
have to win a knockout round game. I think if
they get there, get out of the group, win a
knockout round game and are at least competitive in these matches,
people will look at this as you were respectable on
home soil.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
If the U and probably will grow soccer.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
In terms of people, you know, interested in the sport
in America, where it's never gonna be football, it's never
gonna be basketball, it's never gonna be baseball. But there
is something in America where soccer is obviously a really
popular We see it here in SDFC. STFC is just
coming to the city and is it feels like they're
selling out every other game and the city's really, really,
really behind him. But it's a pivotal tournament that if

(12:11):
the US going a little bit of a run, I
think it will change the way we all view soccer
in America. Because this was the World Cup that they
were supposed to finally break through. They always had penciled
in that polistic in Chris Richards and Tyler Adams and
a lot of these young this young core that the
US soccer fans have been praising for years. Finally we're

(12:32):
old enough to break through. We'll see if it happens.
We got full coverage of the World Cup every US
game starting on Friday. All right, come up next, Lewis Riddick, ESPN.
ESPN analyst Joe Burrow got his contract restructured today Lewis
Riddick hinted that possibly this could be Lamar Jackson's final
season in with the Baltimore Ravens Joe Burrow.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
There's also been some realmlings of him possibly on the move.

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Speaker 5 (13:38):
Brand.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Now we're talking about during the break.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Though, Mike Brown, where they got jibed by the refs.
I didn't see that last night with the Knicks. I
really did not look I got they shot twenty four
free throws. The second half, the Nicks shot six, I believe,
but overall the Knicks only shot ten fewer free throws
then the Spurs. Like what I saw in that game

(14:03):
watching it was the Knicks, who are usually trying to
go inside and score, avoiding Wemby. They were avoiding Victor Wemeniyam.
They didn't want to come in the paint against Victor Wmenyama,
so they're settling for outside shots. Way too much dribbling
from Jalen Brunson, and look, I get it's heated. It's
Game three the NBA Finals. Wenby shoves Bronson and he

(14:26):
got that whole narrative. But Karl Anthony Towns had zero
points and one assists in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
I mean, that's not.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
That.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Like Mike Brown, the reason you lost is not because officiating,
especially when you're playing at home, like I don't want
to hear that. When you're the home team with a
raucous environment. We got ourselves in a series. Now, Wemby
really showed up. Was the best player on the floor
in that game. I'm not sounding the panic bells alarms
yet if you're in New York, but it felt like
the Knicks went back to playing a lot of ISOA

(14:58):
ball basketball. I also think the cal Bridges getting those
two fouls early in that game really kind of contributed
to him not being really in the game that much,
not able to get into a flow because he really
couldn't play significant minutes until the end of the third
in the beginning of the fourth quarter considering those fouls.
So we got ourselves a series excited to see the
Spurs take Game three, but I didn't agree with Mike

(15:20):
Brown in regards so that they got They got screwed
by officiating. That's just me personally. Hit the text line
seven zero four to seven zero, start your mess with
a team six one nine. Sammy, what's the Vegas action
on the over under on the San Diego Bunters. I
got heavy money on the over, well the spread.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Of the game.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
I believe the points total of the game is seven
and a half. You've come to the right place if
you want gambling over unders. But I uh, maybe listen,
the stats would not tell you to take the San
Diego Potters over tonight against Chase Burns. But Vegas usually
counts on people betting with uh with kind of their
hearts and what they've seen recently, so hopefully the Potters
can get it going in terms of offensive all right,

(16:00):
Lewis Riddick, the AFC North is kind of in a
transitional period because the Brown searching for their franchise quarterback.
The Steelers are running back one more year with Aaron Rodgers,
and then we got Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson two quarterbacks,
so both been trying to break through and kind of
get over that hump. Joe Burrow, we know, has gone
to the Super Bowl and lost to the La Rams,

(16:22):
but that in Lamar Jackson's not not been able to
reach that pinnacle yet.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
This is Lewisdick Lewis Riddick.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
From ESPN talking about whether Lamar Jackson could possibly be
on his way out after next year.

Speaker 6 (16:35):
No, it's not out of their question for a number
of different reasons. Look, the Ravens are up against the
cap here in the future, especially when you're talking about
the twenty seven cap they're about. They're twenty million plus
over the cap right now. Projected Lamar's cap number from
this year to next goes from like thirty four to
eighty four. They need to get that down. They need
to get a long term extension in place, which obviously

(16:57):
for Lamar, he's saying, hey, look, you know what I'm
all about, long term extension. I want a lot of money,
and he's gonna.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Want a big number.

Speaker 6 (17:03):
But it takes two to tango, right and you hear
what Septie's is saying. Right now, Lamar does his own contracts, right,
so he is on his timeline right now. So look,
there there's always the possibility that Steve Bashatti says, hey, look,
this isn't working, this isn't moving the way in which
I wanted to move. His dead cap number comes down
for twenty seven, it's much more palatable. Is it possible
that they could deal Lamar Jackson? Of course it's possible.

(17:25):
This is business. This is big business, and so.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
It's interesting that we're reaching the point with this group
of guys Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Joe Burrow. Now,
obviously Josh Allen is not going anywhere, and these are
elite level quarterbacks. Have these I think universally people would
say are the top three of the top four quarterbacks
in today's game. Obviously got Patrick Mahomes of the hardware,

(17:53):
but they've been in this Jordan era of the NFL.
Where had these guys been playing in a different time
where Patrick Holmes wasn't dominating. Would they have the hardware,
would they have the rings and the kind of championship
you know, super Bowl appearances and rings, stuff like that.
But you're kind of wondering when it gets to the
AFC North, are we gonna go through a transitional period

(18:17):
because how many more years is Joe Burrow, who also
restructured his cap today to get under it for the
Dexter Lawrence steal and they acquired Dexter Lawrence from the
New York Giants, the star defensive tackle, so they could
get under the cap. Joe Burrow Lamar Jackson have made
a lot of sacrifice for those franchises because both players.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Now, Joe Burrow has had more success.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Joe Burrow has gone to the Super Bowl, beat Mahomes
in Arrowhead in the AFC title Game. You could argue
that he has gotten his way, especially when it comes
to offense. He got Jamar Chase resigned, he got t
Higgins resigned. Probably wasn't the smartest thing for the franchise
to be paying two top end receivers, but those are
his guys. Joe Burrow got it done on the flip.

(19:00):
The Bengals have never been able to put him put
a defense around him historically. He has had one of
the worst defenses each of the last few years in
the NFL. And you wonder like, is Joe Burrow at
some point gonna be like, I need to get out
of Cincinnati. I can't win here with this franchise. Who
refuses to spend money with Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson. For

(19:22):
all the grief people want to give Lamar Jackson about
not winning in the postseason, you could argue that he
has had the worst supporting cast of Patrick Mahomes, of
Josh Allen, and of Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow's tea against
Lamar Chase, Josh Allen over the iteration of the years,
had James Cook in the backfields to Von Diggs, was there,

(19:42):
Dalton King kaid He's had a lot of talent come
through Buffalo Mahomes has done it, Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins,
they traded Tyreek Hill. He's had Travis Kelcey did it
kind of with the aggregate group of receivers when they
went back to back against the Niners, and the Eagles.
But Lamar Jacks hasn't really had a number one receiver

(20:03):
or sean Bateman in older DeAndre Hopkins. He hasn't really
had a go to guy. Zay Flowers is supposed to
be that guy hasn't really panned out that way. And
with the draft class next year in the NFL is
such an interesting spot because with the with the young
quarterbacks that kind of broke out last year. Your Bo
Nicks is your Drake Mays, You're Caleb Williams, your Jade Daniels.

(20:25):
There's kind of a new wave coming in the NFL.
And your Mahomes, Allen, Lamar and Burrow all kind of
veterans there.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
They're still young.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
They still have a huge career in front of them,
all of them, but they're on the younger side. In
next year's draft class, again, we don't know if any
of these guys are going to pan out. But you
got Arch Manning out of Texas, you got Dante More
out of Oregon, Jade mayav out of sc Julian Sam
from Ohio State, TJ.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Carr from from Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
There could be seven first round draft picks from the
quarterback position next year. So at what point, like we
see this in the NBA a lot, We're like, I
can't win here. I got to get out of here.
I gotta go somewhere else where. They're gonna put a
better team around me. At what point does Joe Burrow
and Lamar Jackson get to that? Because if it doesn't

(21:11):
work with Lamar here and Jesse mentions the head coach,
if you're the Ravens, you're like, is Lamar's body gonna
hold up?

Speaker 1 (21:17):
He runs a lot over the years.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
He's had a couple of injuries the last few seasons,
but Lamar Burrow, who becomes the more attractive candidate, Both
are like, I want to get out of here like
you think. Joe Burrow, in regards to Joe Burrow's peak,
is one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. But
then again, Joe Burrow can't stay healthy. This feels like
a few years now. It's a long time since they

(21:39):
went to that Super Bowl against the Rams. It's been
five years and he has consistently not been healthy each season.
He wasn't healthy all the time in college. Now, maybe
that has to do with the Bengals not putting an
offensive line around him. But I wonder how like Joe
Burrow and Lamar jacks are gonna have a gazillion suitors.
But if you're the Ravens in the bank, at what

(22:01):
point does the marriage not really work anymore? In the
AFC North And at what point are these teams that
don't have a quarterback? Would you entertain a massive haul
for either of your guys? Has it run its course?
Hit us on the talkback Mike, who would you rather
build a team around?

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Joe Burrow or Lamar Jackson?

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(22:39):
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Speaker 3 (22:49):
Heyno the wrong with a little heat around here, last fires.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Who's next in the hot seat?

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Welcome back to Going Along Sandy Go with Sports seven
sixty live on the iHeartRadio app. Very excited to get
to be joined by my next guest, Brock Heward with
Brock in SoC up in Seattle, killing it per usual. Brock,
what's up man? How you doing?

Speaker 5 (23:12):
Sammy Long going long? Wow?

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Wow?

Speaker 5 (23:16):
This is both This is both really cool and amazing
and really humbling. It makes me feel really really old. Well,
we remember Sammy Long running through the hallways years and
years ago, and now now you're hosting the show man
so cool.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
I uh, well you you you had me working on
my health because we ran the steps. There's these crazy
set of steps outside the radio station Seattle, and Brock
kicked my ass, but it made me let me focus
on my health a little bit. So I want to
thank you for that.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
Yeah. Now, if we could only have gotten your dad
to run those stairs instead of walk them really slowly?

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yes, yes, exactly exactly. Well, Brock, thank you so much
for joining me today. I want to talk to you.
You're obviously on Seattle and institution up there with you
and Saw with the Miles Garrett trade. So that came
down last week, I mean, a massive shock in the NFL.
How are you guys viewing the division up there? Because
I know Seattle had a couple losses Kenneth Walker, Clint Kubiak,

(24:16):
Tarique one. Does it still feel like the attitude of
their Seattle salutes or do you feel like the rams
of the favor now?

Speaker 5 (24:22):
Yeah, I kind of. I kind of like the way
it all set up. I don't I don't love and
certainly Charles Cross and Abe Lucas, the two offensive tackles
for the Seahawks, didn't love that move when it came
across the wire because they're going to have to try
to block that monster. But I personally kind of kind
of love it for the team because it puts I
think Mike McDonald and Sam Donold and Cooper Cup and

(24:46):
get Leonard Williams and the wiring of this group of
Seahawks in just the right spot to say, good, Let
la have all the attention, let them have all the exposure,
let them have all the the hype and expectations that
come with it, and we'll just do what we did
a year ago, and that's go about our jobs and
building our culture and playing at a high level and

(25:07):
winning the division and having the playoffs go through Seattle
and Sammy. The four times that that has happened in
history the last twenty years. Guess what, all four times
the Seahawks made it to the super Bowl one, two,
and nearly three of those. So I don't think there
was any real panic. I feel like the fan base
has kind of in my boat of great go ahead
and let the Rams have all the attention and just

(25:30):
the hardwiring and the DNA of Mike McDonald's culture. And
you'll feel it on hard Knocks when that comes out
in six or seven weeks with the first episode, I
think you'll feel that culture of one that we don't care,
don't care about what anybody else does. We go about
business and handling our business in house.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
That this is a great point because right everyone talking
about the Rams, the roster stack, but especially with Seattle
and in regards to Sam Donald, it feels like, no
matter what this guy does, whether he has fourteen wins
with the Vikings, went to Super Bowl with Seattle, people
give him respect, but not the respect of being an
elite level quarterback. Like where would you have him in
a hierarchy because personally, I have San Donald on my
top ten and he's done a lot more than a

(26:08):
lot of big name quarterbacks we say, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson.
Certainly in terms of a playoff success, do you still
feel like Sandarnald has to prove something to people?

Speaker 5 (26:19):
Well, Sam's never going to get the national narrative. It
was like it was written, and once some of those
things are written, it's almost impossible to rewrite and edit
and change those things. So I think from a national level,
I mean, he can win another super Bowl and he
won't be in Mike Sando's top tier, even with executives
that Mike talks to to put those lists together, and
certainly not with fans. I've already seen, right we're getting

(26:41):
near this season. I've already seen a few of them,
already been bothered by a few of them. They don't
even have him in the top fifteen of the NFL.
For me, I'm with you, Sammy. He's a top ten guy.
And it's not just because of all the wins and
the production the last two years, to me being up
close to it, it's just the love that his teammates
have for him. It is so hard for these franchise

(27:02):
guys to not become weirdos and not become management and
not differentiate themselves from the rest of the locker room.
And he's the furthest thing from that. The guys absolutely
love him. You know, when you heard Ernest Jones last year,
the middle linebacker, after his four interception game and loss
to the Rams, their last loss and his last really
bad game, he heard Ernest get to the podium and say,

(27:24):
he's our quarterback. And if you don't like it, Leep,
you like that doesn't happen. That's not normal behavior in
locker rooms. And to me, that resonates the year before.
He was on the shoulders of his Minnesota Vikings teammates
late in the year when they won their fourteenth game,
and the guys love them, and to me, that's just
job number one is a quarterback, is to win over

(27:46):
your locker room and have those guys laid on the
line for you because they know you do it for them,
and that puts them in my top ten.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Brock, you were joining me right now seven ten am
Seattle Sports six to ten with Mike Sock up there
as a you know, I'm a massive Chiefs fan. I
got to ask a selfish question, how do you view
Kenneth Walker Because a lot of people have been like,
he had that unbelievable run with Super Bowl MVP. Do
you see it as maybe he just benefited and had

(28:13):
a short couple of weeks there because Zach Sharbnag got hurt.
Or do you think Kenneth Walker is a franchise running back.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
I think Kenneth Walker's got some really good football still
left in the tank. He's still a young guy. But
I would be a little leary. And you saw this
in the Russell Wilson trade, and John Schneider knows his
parts pretty well. When you are a homegrown draft and
developed and trade team, like you know your assets very

(28:40):
very well, you have to. It's the way that John
is sustained as a GM for nearly two decades in
Seattle because he knows how to do that well. And
when he feels like, yeah, the football life expectancy is
going to be we got the best of it and
we're ready to move on and not extend, I think
there should be a little let's take another look at this,

(29:00):
because he knows him better than we know him kind
of deal that all said, he's unbelievably explosive. I think
he's even though he's gotten paid, I think he will
still play extremely hard. That is an organization. Had he
gone to a handful of other organizations dysfunctional places, Sammy,
I think there would be concern. But the fact that

(29:21):
the bar and the expectations are so high there in
Kansas City, he'll play after those I just don't know
how many of those four years you're going to get.
And it's an awful lot of money to spend on
that position.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, it certainly is Chiefs despinated a running back, but yeah,
it is like John Snyder and then get Engineeran Price
there at the end of the first round. Just feels
like he's always a step ahead. I'm curious looking at
college football. Obviously, super tapped in was a big time
quarterback up there at you dub I, Where do you
stand personally? There's so much made of the SEC wants

(29:54):
a sixteen team playoff. The Big Ten was a twenty
fourteen playoff, and we're at a twelve. Where would you'd
like to see it go with all this drama in
the off season?

Speaker 5 (30:03):
Oh gosh, I would just like for the love of
the game, to just have some stability, Sammy, That's what
I would like. I would like circuit judges in towns
like Oxford, Mississippi, and Loboth, Texas to have a level
of awareness and a big picture of the game and
not just look out for their own self interest. But
that's where the game is, with every conference, with every administration,

(30:27):
with every coach, and frankly, with every player now trying
to take care of themselves in an unbelievably transactional sport.
So where am I at, Sammy, I would love to
have some stability to sink your teeth into. I would
love to have some structure and some guardrails for a
sport that's just running them up, that has no rules
and no regulations. And if you talk to anybody and

(30:49):
listen to presidents and eights and frankly look at their books,
in most places, you would see so many programs underwater,
knowing that this whole deal is unsustainable. So I've got
legitimate concerns for where the sport is going. There has
to be some level of regulation. I don't know how
congress or commissioners conferences do that. They're working at it.

(31:14):
I wish them all the best, but it is dysfunctional
to say the least.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Brock Heward hosts of My My, Brock and Sock Up
in Seattle, Seattle Sports seven to ten AM from six
to ten and Brock thank you so much man for
jumping on me today.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
Sammy a blast, keep killing it. Excited for you in
this journey. And yeah, the next time you're up, get
your running shoes out. We'll run those stairs again.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yes sir, yes, sir, all right, coming up next dual
crossover actually with us Schaeffer and Sliwa. That's next on
going along standing a Sports seven sixty Live.

Speaker 7 (31:46):
I'm the iHeartRadio at Sammy Sleiwa fifteen minutes of goodness,
we call the crossover.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Half of the crossover is here, John Schapers here, Blence
just we're gonna lock him out of here.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Not being on time. Yeah you know he is, he's here.

Speaker 8 (32:12):
He's just not in the studio.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, he's he's getting his water. Just lollygaggon show.

Speaker 8 (32:17):
You know, we get right for the show and it's
gonna is he gonna make it.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
He's he's gonna You got time for the care to
join us. Well, yeah, look at.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
When you're when you're when you're on time, you're late
when you're on time.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
What about when you're late? What about when you're late,
then you're just extra late? All right, he's making his way.
It's funny. When I saw the on air, Oh, Michael
going on the last segment, right, I said myself, Oh,
he must be going a little long. No time, gota wait,
gets away, gets away from me. They gets away. How
how are you guys doing today? We are busy days.

Speaker 8 (32:55):
It's been busy. We've been in the studio, we've been
in the office.

Speaker 9 (32:57):
While we got in this we have like a a
double uh we call it.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
What do you think we are double shift? Yeah, a
couple of shift, A couple of shifts.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
You you so you you guys when you're early, you
guys think a gun in youre like ten, which is.

Speaker 8 (33:11):
Very rare for for me in like all my time
in this building. It's it's odd when I interact with
people that work here in the morning, it's like, right,
it's it's completely it's like you don't even have the
same coworkers because you don't at each other, you know
what I mean? Then see the morning people, the afternoon
people see the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
It is odd because by the time it's like three
or four o'clock, there's very few people here because all
the morning shows are out.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Everybody's going yeah, exactly, everybody's going in this morning when
it's going on with a parking.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
At man a lot of people here. Yeah, that is
something that irritates me. Like I don't have a spot,
but I do have a spot because there's a.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Spot to the spot that I like. I feel better
about my day when I hate that spot. Just are
you looking for? You want like spots? A sign?

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Like, I don't understand what you're looking I think something
there would be like preferably you don't park here, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (34:00):
This is saming Long a lot.

Speaker 8 (34:02):
If you win a employee of is it the quarter?
Brent the quarter? If you win employee of the quarter,
what do you get? You got a lot including an
assigned parking spot. Now the way spot you have to
like shuttle from. It's it's even further than the normal
parking spots. But yeah, you win like gift.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Cards, how do you get how do you get employee
of the quarter? It's cake. You have to get voted.

Speaker 8 (34:25):
I'm serious. You guys to get voted from your fellow
co workers.

Speaker 9 (34:31):
There's uh, there's it's almost like winning m v P Y, Right,
there's a fan vote, there's a media vote, and then
I think the coaches have a vote as well.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
We do that here too.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
I think the only way one of us gets is
if we all align one person. We're like, we're gonna
make did John Schaeffer a parking spot an employee of
the month thing.

Speaker 8 (34:50):
Where it's like, maybe we don't win, but then we're like, hey,
are we really the best employee?

Speaker 1 (34:56):
You guys didn't get the votes or is it one
of those things like what if we didn't win?

Speaker 9 (35:00):
Then we say, like, I didn't even to be honest,
I didn't want more about the team did so, like
we could hold like.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
It's an individual award.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
We could hold a post employee of the quarter press
conference with all the stations.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, I could see Schaeffer like John, John, I think
I get it. No, No, that's not what I was
getting at.

Speaker 9 (35:20):
What I was getting at was I could see Schaeffer like,
you know how somebody wins it and it's from another
station and when they're giving that person the award, I
could see you like in the background of that photo,
like not clapping.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yeah, Like John pulls like a Kanye and he rips
out of taylor'sis hands, you know, like at the at
the award show.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, that was.

Speaker 9 (35:42):
The more like that wenby the Wemby looking at SGA
getting his Oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Something like that, Like you weren't happy about it. It
wasn't happy.

Speaker 8 (35:50):
Someone at Rock got its motivation to win the next
quarters award.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Who decides this?

Speaker 5 (35:56):
Just media?

Speaker 1 (35:57):
The coaches and I went back to it. There's there's
a lot of democratic It's it's a voting. It's our country.

Speaker 9 (36:04):
We're democratic, so a lot of people are involved talking
about I don't know.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
How about how about that game last night?

Speaker 8 (36:12):
Listen, I hate to say the Spurs. It felt completely
different from the way they played at home to the
way they played on the road.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Did it not?

Speaker 9 (36:20):
If you started reacting to the Padres game, I was
gonna lose it.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Tell me, tell me we're not going to.

Speaker 8 (36:27):
Taylors.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
We had so much time for Mike Schultz back small ball.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
No.

Speaker 8 (36:31):
I mean I thought the Spurs, I mean I thought
it was very impressive. I was shocked because they went
they went down there at to have oh and then
for them to react and respond, and it's funny, big shots.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
I was shocked.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
It's funny how the road team and all these games
have looked calmer. Yeah, in the sense of like the
kind of hoopla and the Knicks and the ticket prices
and you know, all these stars being there. It felt
like they played tight, and then the Spurs were just
like we just got to go win a ball game,
and they were effected.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
I was putting the pieces together yesterday.

Speaker 9 (37:03):
Why was game three the eleven thousand, eight thousand?

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Why was it? Why was it was? You're not clean,
you're not winning the actual championships. Wouldn't it be game six?

Speaker 8 (37:14):
But it's because New Yorkers is like everyone wants the
newest iPhone.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
You line up on day one two for the iPhone.
There's not the long lines. Let me give you. Let
me give you an example. You go pay eight grand
I mean, what do you mean there's no longer one?
What if they're about the clinch it the clincher, see it?
I know, but I can guarantee you they're not clinching game.
It's the people.

Speaker 8 (37:34):
They haven't hosted a finals game since ninety nine. They're like,
I got to be in the building for the first
finals games in ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
I gotta see price Game six.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
You don't know, but you think game four prices would
be higher anymore?

Speaker 1 (37:48):
What do you think they are right now?

Speaker 8 (37:49):
Don't look like if you go to get what's the lowest,
I'm gonna say under four.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, I was gonna say three.

Speaker 8 (37:54):
Yeah, oh no, I bet really yeah, because now that
they lost, everyone's like, yeah, whatever, well that's.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Not even whatever. It's two to one as you can't
win it. You can't win it. Let's see, Okay, I see.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
I feel like you would still be ten grand, maybe
like seven. I mean New Yorkers are, they're going to
go to the game, the game right now?

Speaker 1 (38:15):
What do we got? What do you got? Forty four?

Speaker 8 (38:16):
Fourteen?

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah? Really?

Speaker 8 (38:18):
This game five San Antonio fifteen hundred five dollars.

Speaker 9 (38:22):
Now, Game six should should start getting crazy because that's
probably I still think Knicks.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
I still think Knicks are in a great spot.

Speaker 9 (38:29):
I was shocked yesterday that San Antonio one they go
down seven at halftime after being up double digits.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
That's what I thought they were done, Like this thing's
a wrap yep, and they you know obviously figured out
a way to.

Speaker 8 (38:41):
Win ten grand to get into game six. Here's the
reason buy. But also here's the reason to buy for
game six right now. If you want to go heavy
on game six, hey, you get you your money back
if it doesn't go six.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (38:51):
And then secondly, if it does go six, now, well,
some team can win an NBA Finals in every serious
in the history of the NBA in the six game, right,
every series is three too.

Speaker 9 (38:59):
And all the Knicks have to do is when one
of the next two to be set up for game six,
Game six is the one.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Game six is the one that if I'm going all
with spending your game. Is it any kind of odd
on the series? The Knicks are up to to one,
but it is wild how the Spurs have had double
digit leads in game one.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
A, Game two and three and.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Three right and they had they had leads in the
final two minutes of the game in all three games,
So this Game two could have easily gone another way?

Speaker 9 (39:29):
Is I think, Sammy, that's like, that's the I think
they are the second youngest team to be in the
NBA Finals. It's your that's your like, that's what happens
when you're that young, and that's why. I mean, Knicks
did everything to choke away Game two, everything to choke
away Game two, and Wemby's like, I got you.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
I'll let me one up your choke and listen again.

Speaker 9 (39:53):
I mean, Wemby has been great, But I think that's
that that you're pointing out has more to do with
they're just so young.

Speaker 8 (39:58):
Spurs and six versions not really that Like I'm not
saying it like jokingly. I do think it's a it's
at least possible if you win game three.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
There.

Speaker 8 (40:07):
I feel like it's almost the bigger hurdle was Game
three than Game four. Everyone's been waiting for forever. The
stars for New York.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Tomorrow is the toughest because if you if you win tomorrow,
I'm with you where it's like, wait, you have homecore batifts.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, what's the betting line for the moment. It's Nicks
one point. Yeah, so it's a pick. I mean it's
because everyone half. Yeah, it's on a neutral floor to
pick them. I mean, wow, that's really I'm surprised, Sammy.
Did you think that would be higher?

Speaker 2 (40:39):
I think that'd be three and a half something like that.
I think I think by game time. This will get
bet up to two and a half for three. I
think all the New York money, it'll come in late
and it'll move the move the spread. But I but
Vegas is telling you they think that maybe the Knicks
over performed.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
The first two games. First found the cracks. What's what's
on the on the show they solved it.

Speaker 8 (40:57):
We're talking to one beam at three or fifteen.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Wow.

Speaker 9 (41:02):
Rump was in the house yesterday. We'll get him at
three forty five.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
President of United States.

Speaker 8 (41:08):
Glazier, the great MLB analysts, will join us at three first.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
San Diegan. As you told me today, Glazer San Diego.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
All right, stay tuned for all that these boys are
coming out next. I'll be back tomorrow at twelves here, buddy,
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