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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Twenty one Wuiba and Asker the experts, brought to you
by hams Barborcare Online Hamsarborcare dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
That's h A m ms Arborcare dot com.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Great website to learn more about hams Arborcare again, that's website.
It's Hamsarborcare dot com. They're telling phone number eight six
six five nine six five three nine six. That's eight
six six five nine six five three nine six. Enjoining
us this morning from hams Arborcare is Mester arborist Kevin Ham. Kevin,
how are you doing this morning?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Very good, Sean. We've got we've got pretty warm, dry
weather right.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Now yet, and I want to ask you about, especially
for folks with young trees, what they should be looking for.
The one thing too, I want to ask you about
are we pretty much all leafed out?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Now?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Like?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Have all the trees gone from buds to leaves by now?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Is that? Is that something that we're kind of happing out?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
We're most of the way there. Some of the walnuts
are you know, a little a little slower? Yeah, black
or locusts might be not quite leafed out. So, but
we're we're well on our way to full leaf where
we've started uh at emer lash or treatments, so we're
(01:22):
we're getting these and these are good days with this
Now it did Brandon did notice like around two o'clock
in the afternoon, you know, it starts slowing down, and
that that's typical on warm days. The tree kind of
goes into a drought response, you know, real time during
(01:42):
the day, you know, and and you'll notice on young
trees they maybe yesterday afternoon you might have seen a younger,
newly planted tree and it's kind of wiltying and then
this morning it's it's all puffed up and looking normal. Well,
that that aptter noon heat ends up taking a toll
(02:04):
on those those young trees. So you know, just keep
an eye on watering a young tree. We had we
had somebody kind of kill their tree's here and they
were arguing that, oh I watered, but it can happen
so fast, and you have this perfect scenario where you know,
(02:28):
all it needed was was water somewhere in that three
day stretch, and in three days a young tree can
dry up. It just can't. And with it watch it.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And with this weather that we've obviously spring in Wisconsin,
you know, get very hot days and so can be
quite dry, it can also be quite rainy as well.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Kind of get a little bit of it all.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
And I know one of the things we talk about
with you know, with like legacy trees and other plantings,
is the importance of that of that tree care is
and that maintenance is really getting that tree established well
is absolutely vital to its to its longevity and of
course it's it's healthy growth is starting it off right
on that. And that's one of the things I know
at Ham's Barbercare, we talk about those legacy trees. You
(03:12):
guys are out there taking care of these trees, making
sure that they're developing properly. It's a really nice, really
really a great, great opportunity for folks to planet tree.
The other thing too, I love about it, Kevin, is
is the fact that they come with the warranty and
the fact that that when it comes to getting those planted,
these are these are really great trees. And you get
(03:33):
a little bit of education as well as part of it,
don't you.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yes. And and the reason we can give that five
year warranty is because the the nursery method that's being
utilized creates a very resilient root plate that that you know,
resist that that drought stress that I just talked about
(03:56):
on newly planted trees. Sometimes a ball and burlap tree
does and have a high percentage of fine roots in
that root ball, and that that can depend on the
nursery practice as well. A lot of nurseries practice root
pruning that that does increase the amount of roots in
the root ball. They kind of they put a tree
(04:18):
spade in the ground around the tree that cut those
roots intentionally like each year, so that it sprouts more
roots within the rootball. So there are methods that they use.
But oftentimes, you know, a ball and burlap tree does
not have the root base that that our legacy trees do,
(04:39):
and and so our our our legacy trees tend to
be more resilient to the these drought stresses.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
One of the things that people notice if they're if
they're around when they're being planted, is that they are
being delivered on like a palette. They're they're not they're
not in a little burlap sap. These legacy trees are
in a plant palette. And as you pointed out, Kevin,
that's the way they grow, that's the in nature that
they that they would grow as well, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, that that root plate stretches out and then they
have downward orientated thinker root and and that that you know,
format is exemplified within our our root balls, and then
a lot of fine roots grow in that that brownie
so much so that if if we just pulled it
out of there and banged it on the ground trying
(05:25):
to trying to knock it apart, that that brownie, as
we affectionately call it, you know, stays intact. And you know,
I've seen that demonstrated in that exact manner, and it's like, wow,
that's that's pretty pretty solid.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Talking this morning with Kevin ham mester arborist at Ham's
Arborcare online hamsarbarcare dot com.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
That's h A M. M.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Sarborcare dot com Delpha number eight six six five nine
six five three nine six. That's eight sixty six five
nine six five three nine six. And as I think
about the unpredictability of spring, and we were talking about,
you know, we need some we need some rain right now,
it would be really beneficial. Does mulch help, especially with
the younger trees having some malt around to obviously you
(06:07):
don't want to be mounding it up, but having a
little bit there does that Does that help keep that
moisture in the soil? Is that beneficial to the to
those trees.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
It's the single best thing you can do for a tree, Okay,
is they have two to four inches of mulch around
the tree and you know, you kind of pull it
back away from the trunk proper, but then two to
four inches and does a lot to enhance the moistury
tension in the soil underneath there. And you know, comparatively
(06:39):
to rock, which you know is a popular thing, especially
close to the house. And then they have it close
to the house and think, well, I want you know,
I want out my yard. So they put rock around
other trees and the rockets heat it up and so
it has a drying effect to the soil underneath it
(07:00):
versus the malt, which has a cooling effect.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Well, I had never thought of that, and I just
think about one of the things to I was gonna
ask about two with malt, Kevin, you don't want to
touching the you want to kind of give a little gap,
am I am?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I remembering? I feel like we do?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, yeah, you just you feathered away from the trunk,
so it's not right on the root. Player you don't
you don't want to for certain not do volcano mulching
or you mound it up like a volcano around the tree. Okay,
And uh, you know I saw a property like that
and there was there was no convincing them that they
(07:36):
that's that's the look they wanted. And uh, you know
it's not doing the tree any any good. It can
create you know, rotting issues, and then it's just like
burying a tree too deeply. So now the roots are
going to angle up to try to get closer, you know,
more oxygen. Roots need oxygen. The upper tree needs carbon dioxide.
(08:00):
The roots need oxygen. That's why you know, you go
down four feet, there's there's not much living down there,
you know, you it's kind of anaerobic soil down there,
there's no oxygen. And it's in the top eighteen inches
of soil that ninety percent of the roots exist. And
that's because that's where the life of the soil is
(08:21):
is in that top organic layer where there's a lot
of air and poor space. Fifty percent of that top
two feet of soil is poor space.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Interesting today, I.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
An eighteen inch section, you could crush it to nine inches.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Theoretically interesting if you've made full bulk density, if you
you've just compacted that into concrete, you could take out
nine inches out of eighteen in the top eighteen inches
of soil.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Who needs impossible, but that's amazingly.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I do want to one final thing. As we talked
this morning with Kevin Ham of Ham's Arborcare, we did.
I started off kind of asking about trees leaving out
the leaves starting that you know, should be for most
trees should be out right now. It's also a time
I think that one of the more noticeable things of
potential damage and other things is you start to notice
some limbs or some branches that that may not have
(09:19):
leaved out. And that's that's an important thing to get
somebody out to take a look at one to make
sure if it is just a simple you know, something
with frost or something that they're you know, just a
rough winter for the for the tree and that single limb,
but it could also be a sign correct me if
I'm wrong, Kevin, of something more that may need to
be looked at and remedied. And of course you guys
are able to take care of that stuff as well
(09:39):
at Ham's Arborcare, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, you know, you get us in the yard and
we'll spot a lot of things, yeah, that the average
person won't won't spot. And you know those are often
that the things that you know I mentioned on my
Instagram post. So I often get asked questions, both from
the industry and from from clients and all. Austin, do
(10:04):
you know a real right after I get that piece
of information, you know, and I've answered a question for somebody,
and I think, well, there you go. Somebody's thinking about this.
Why don't I put this out there is additional information
and that.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
And yeah, and that Instagram is great, of course, Kevin
Ham Game of Trees, they've got a great YouTube channel
as well, Game of Trees online, gameoftrees dot com, the
Hamsarburcare website. Hey Amsarborcare dot com. That's h a m
MS Arborcare dot com. They're tell forh number eight six
sixty five nine six five three nine six. That's eight
six six five nine six five three nine six Kevin,
(10:38):
Stay hydrated and we'll talk real soon, my friend.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
All right, Thank you, seand news.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Comes your way next year. On thirteen ten, wib I
Twenty one Wuiba and Asker the experts, brought to you
by hams Barborcare Online Hamsarborcare dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
That's h A m ms Arborcare dot com.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Great website to learn more about hams Arborcare again, that's website.
It's Hamsarborcare dot com. They're telling phone number eight six
six five nine six five three nine six. That's eight
six six five nine six five three nine six. Enjoining
us this morning from hams Arborcare is Mester arborist Kevin Ham. Kevin,
how are you doing this morning?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Very good, Sean. We've got we've got pretty warm, dry
weather right.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Now yet, and I want to ask you about, especially
for folks with young trees, what they should be looking for.
The one thing too, I want to ask you about
are we pretty much all leafed out?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Now?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Like?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Have all the trees gone from buds to leaves by now?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Is that? Is that something that we're kind of happing out?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
We're most of the way there. Some of the walnuts
are you know, a little a little slower? Yeah, black
or locusts might be not quite leafed out. So, but
we're we're well on our way to full leaf where
we've started uh at emer lash or treatments, so we're
(01:22):
we're getting these and these are good days with this
Now it did Brandon did notice like around two o'clock
in the afternoon, you know, it starts slowing down, and
that that's typical on warm days. The tree kind of
goes into a drought response, you know, real time during
(01:42):
the day, you know, and and you'll notice on young
trees they maybe yesterday afternoon you might have seen a younger,
newly planted tree and it's kind of wiltying and then
this morning it's it's all puffed up and looking normal. Well,
that that aptter noon heat ends up taking a toll
(02:04):
on those those young trees. So you know, just keep
an eye on watering a young tree. We had we
had somebody kind of kill their tree's here and they
were arguing that, oh I watered, but it can happen
so fast, and you have this perfect scenario where you know,
(02:28):
all it needed was was water somewhere in that three
day stretch, and in three days a young tree can
dry up. It just can't. And with it watch it.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And with this weather that we've obviously spring in Wisconsin,
you know, get very hot days and so can be
quite dry, it can also be quite rainy as well.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Kind of get a little bit of it all.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
And I know one of the things we talk about
with you know, with like legacy trees and other plantings,
is the importance of that of that tree care is
and that maintenance is really getting that tree established well
is absolutely vital to its to its longevity and of
course it's it's healthy growth is starting it off right
on that. And that's one of the things I know
at Ham's Barbercare, we talk about those legacy trees. You
(03:12):
guys are out there taking care of these trees, making
sure that they're developing properly. It's a really nice, really
really a great, great opportunity for folks to planet tree.
The other thing too, I love about it, Kevin, is
is the fact that they come with the warranty and
the fact that that when it comes to getting those planted,
these are these are really great trees. And you get
(03:33):
a little bit of education as well as part of it,
don't you.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yes. And and the reason we can give that five
year warranty is because the the nursery method that's being
utilized creates a very resilient root plate that that you know,
resist that that drought stress that I just talked about
(03:56):
on newly planted trees. Sometimes a ball and burlap tree
does and have a high percentage of fine roots in
that root ball, and that that can depend on the
nursery practice as well. A lot of nurseries practice root
pruning that that does increase the amount of roots in
the root ball. They kind of they put a tree
(04:18):
spade in the ground around the tree that cut those
roots intentionally like each year, so that it sprouts more
roots within the rootball. So there are methods that they use.
But oftentimes, you know, a ball and burlap tree does
not have the root base that that our legacy trees do,
(04:39):
and and so our our our legacy trees tend to
be more resilient to the these drought stresses.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
One of the things that people notice if they're if
they're around when they're being planted, is that they are
being delivered on like a palette. They're they're not they're
not in a little burlap sap. These legacy trees are
in a plant palette. And as you pointed out, Kevin,
that's the way they grow, that's the in nature that
they that they would grow as well, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, that that root plate stretches out and then they
have downward orientated thinker root and and that that you know,
format is exemplified within our our root balls, and then
a lot of fine roots grow in that that brownie
so much so that if if we just pulled it
out of there and banged it on the ground trying
(05:25):
to trying to knock it apart, that that brownie, as
we affectionately call it, you know, stays intact. And you know,
I've seen that demonstrated in that exact manner, and it's like, wow,
that's that's pretty pretty solid.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Talking this morning with Kevin ham mester arborist at Ham's
Arborcare online hamsarbarcare dot com.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
That's h A M. M.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Sarborcare dot com Delpha number eight six six five nine
six five three nine six. That's eight sixty six five
nine six five three nine six. And as I think
about the unpredictability of spring, and we were talking about,
you know, we need some we need some rain right now,
it would be really beneficial. Does mulch help, especially with
the younger trees having some malt around to obviously you
(06:07):
don't want to be mounding it up, but having a
little bit there does that Does that help keep that
moisture in the soil? Is that beneficial to the to
those trees.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
It's the single best thing you can do for a tree, Okay,
is they have two to four inches of mulch around
the tree and you know, you kind of pull it
back away from the trunk proper, but then two to
four inches and does a lot to enhance the moistury
tension in the soil underneath there. And you know, comparatively
(06:39):
to rock, which you know is a popular thing, especially
close to the house. And then they have it close
to the house and think, well, I want you know,
I want out my yard. So they put rock around
other trees and the rockets heat it up and so
it has a drying effect to the soil underneath it
(07:00):
versus the malt, which has a cooling effect.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Well, I had never thought of that, and I just
think about one of the things to I was gonna
ask about two with malt, Kevin, you don't want to
touching the you want to kind of give a little gap,
am I am?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I remembering? I feel like we do?
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, yeah, you just you feathered away from the trunk,
so it's not right on the root. Player you don't
you don't want to for certain not do volcano mulching
or you mound it up like a volcano around the tree. Okay,
And uh, you know I saw a property like that
and there was there was no convincing them that they
(07:36):
that's that's the look they wanted. And uh, you know
it's not doing the tree any any good. It can
create you know, rotting issues, and then it's just like
burying a tree too deeply. So now the roots are
going to angle up to try to get closer, you know,
more oxygen. Roots need oxygen. The upper tree needs carbon dioxide.
(08:00):
The roots need oxygen. That's why you know, you go
down four feet, there's there's not much living down there,
you know, you it's kind of anaerobic soil down there,
there's no oxygen. And it's in the top eighteen inches
of soil that ninety percent of the roots exist. And
that's because that's where the life of the soil is
(08:21):
is in that top organic layer where there's a lot
of air and poor space. Fifty percent of that top
two feet of soil is poor space.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Interesting today, I.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
An eighteen inch section, you could crush it to nine inches.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Theoretically interesting if you've made full bulk density, if you
you've just compacted that into concrete, you could take out
nine inches out of eighteen in the top eighteen inches
of soil.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Who needs impossible, but that's amazingly.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I do want to one final thing. As we talked
this morning with Kevin Ham of Ham's Arborcare, we did.
I started off kind of asking about trees leaving out
the leaves starting that you know, should be for most
trees should be out right now. It's also a time
I think that one of the more noticeable things of
potential damage and other things is you start to notice
some limbs or some branches that that may not have
(09:19):
leaved out. And that's that's an important thing to get
somebody out to take a look at one to make
sure if it is just a simple you know, something
with frost or something that they're you know, just a
rough winter for the for the tree and that single limb,
but it could also be a sign correct me if
I'm wrong, Kevin, of something more that may need to
be looked at and remedied. And of course you guys
are able to take care of that stuff as well
(09:39):
at Ham's Arborcare, aren't you.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, you know, you get us in the yard and
we'll spot a lot of things, yeah, that the average
person won't won't spot. And you know those are often
that the things that you know I mentioned on my
Instagram post. So I often get asked questions, both from
the industry and from from clients and all. Austin, do
(10:04):
you know a real right after I get that piece
of information, you know, and I've answered a question for somebody,
and I think, well, there you go. Somebody's thinking about this.
Why don't I put this out there is additional information
and that.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
And yeah, and that Instagram is great, of course, Kevin
Ham Game of Trees, they've got a great YouTube channel
as well, Game of Trees online, gameoftrees dot com, the
Hamsarburcare website. Hey Amsarborcare dot com. That's h a m
MS Arborcare dot com. They're tell forh number eight six
sixty five nine six five three nine six. That's eight
six six five nine six five three nine six Kevin,
(10:38):
Stay hydrated and we'll talk real soon, my friend.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
All right, Thank you, seand news.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Comes your way next year. On thirteen ten, wib I
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