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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to Healing Begins. My name is Pastor Gale and.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
This is Stephanie Butler. Good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
We're here to be with you on your drive or listen,
to be with you in the house or work, or
running down the road or listening later by podcast. You
know how many people were speaking to one one. That's
right you that are listening, right, you got your headphones in.
We're coming right in through your ears into your mind.
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So the title of the message is the mind governed
by the Spirit and the flesh. So I thought a
lot about the word governed. Do you want to read
that definition from the Greek there.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, absolutely so. In romans Ay, the Greek word that
we often translate governed, like the mind governed by the spirit,
is typically associated with the idea of being set on
or mindings. The Greek verb often used here is froneo.
The meaning of froneo is to set one's mind on something.
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It means to think about it, to be intent on,
or to have a mindset directed towards something specific, to
be disposed in a certain way. It's about adopting a
certain attitude or orientation of the mind. In other words,
when Paul talks about a mind governed by the spirit.
He's using language that means your mindset is oriented by
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this the spirit of God, focused on the spirit's leading
and desires. And it's the opposite of having your mindset
oriented by the flesh and being set or focused on
those things.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I like the word governed. So my question to you
this morning that are either listening on radio or podcasts?
What are you being governed by? Oh, Stephanie. If I
went to your car and I put a governor on
your gas pedal, what does that mean? Control? Correct? So,
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in other words, how fast could your car.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Go only to the set level of the governance?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
That's correct? How fast can you go spiritually to the
set level level of the governor? Whatever is governing you?
Are you governing by the spirit? Are you governed by
the flesh? Boy? Oh boy, the flesh a straw on
the world, the flesh, the devil, the pride of life.
What we see with our eyes, Oh, my goodness. Not
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everything that glitters is gold. I had a young man
that was talking to me one time. He goes, there's
a lot of gold in my kingdom. He said, yeah,
and I go, this fool's gold. It glitters, But it's
not true. Gold. And so, Stephanie, why don't you read
Romans Chapter eight Versus five through eight.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I'd love to. This is how the NIV. And it says,
those who live according to the flesh have their mindset,
and with the flesh desires. But those who live in
accordance with the Spirit have their mindset and with the
spirit desires. The mind governed by the flesh is death,
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but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.
The mind governed by the flesh is hostile toward God.
It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do.
So those who are in the realm of the flesh
cannot please God.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Let's stop right there. I think everybody in the world
would like life and peace.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Amen, And I think everybody in the world starts in
the flesh.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Well, here's the thing, Just to.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Make you feel better if you're hearing.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
That and going on, here's the thing. People are doing
everything they can to get peace. They're doing drugs, are
doing alcohol, they're doing sex, they're doing all kinds of stuff.
But they're all coming up short, coming up empty. And
so so the question is, if you don't have a
peace of mind, what are you being governed by and
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so you have a chance to switch over to the
spirit absolutely and get a mind and a life filled
with peace. So read Romans eight fourteen through seventeen.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
So this again is in the nav We're starting with
verse fourteen. It says, for those who are led by
the Spirit of God are the children of God? The
spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that
you live in fear again. Rather, the spirit you received
brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we
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cry abba Father. The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit
that we are God's children. Now, if we're children, then
we're heirs airs of God, in co heirs with Christ.
If indeed we share in his sufferings in order that
we may also share in His glory.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
This is a really good scripture for those that are
led by the spirit of God or the children of God.
Once again, what are you being led by? So have
you ever seen someone leading the horse? I was in
We were in the mountains of Costa Rica. That was
kind of hilarious, And there was this man that had
a horse tied to a tree, and he got that
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rope all tangled up and that horse was rearing up
on his front legs, and man, it was kicking up
the storm. So the guy goes out to get the
end of the rope. I can tell you who was
not leading the horse. It was him, because that horse
was going wild. And finally, finally he got the horse
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out of control, under control. But you know what the
key was. He was trying to help the horse. He
didn't want the horse to get hurt. Well, sometimes when
God is leading us, we're like that horse. Yeah, we're
bucking up, we're just jumping. We don't want to be leeding.
God is saying, I'm trying to protect you. I'm trying
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to help you. I'm trying to lead you. Will you
let me lead you? Finally? I mean other people tried
to calm that horse down. Let me tell you that
horse was not going to calm. Finally had calmed down
and he got him tied in a safer pasture. And
maybe God is trying to bring you to a safer pasture,
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get you out of one situation into another situation. You see,
all that horse could see was he had a rope
around his neck. Yeah, and all that horse knew is
that his rope was getting shorter and shorter, and the
more I got tangled up, and so the more he
fought against it, the worse it got. And so sometimes
following God and being with the Lord is real similar
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to that. Sometimes the more we fight against what God
is trying to do and how he's trying to lead us,
our mind is not being governed by the spirit, although
God wants it to be, being governed more by the
flesh or how we feel. I imagine the horse from
the looks of things, the horse was panicked. Okay, that
horse was panicking. We all could see it. We were
all watching, wondering if this guy was going to survive
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leading the horse. He finally did survive. He got the
horse calm down.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So well, I think, you know, I'm just seeing two
people and seeing a male and a female. And sometimes
we go through life circumstances where individuals who were in
authority over us were not safe people. So when we
get tangled up or it feels like the leash is
getting short, we're feeling cornered in some way, shape or form,
it puts a little bit of a panic in us,
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and our body begins to panic, and our mind begins
to panic, and we begin to you know kind of
go down pathways that have protected us in the path
in the past, but maybe are not so necessary in
the current circumstance. And when God is shortening your leash,
there's a reason he's shortening your leash, and he's doing it,
like Pastor Gill said, to keep you safe. And maybe
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you're in a situation right now, since there's a couple
of people listening that are you're in a situation where
your leash is getting your lead rope is getting shorter
and shorter and shorter because God is trying to protect
you from something that you're running through and you're all
tangled up. The scripture tells us to be still, be still,
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and know that he has gotten. If you've ever watched
any of the Ranchy movies, they get real close to
the horse's face and they start to say, there, girl,
it's okay, it's all right, buddy, calm down, You're gonna
be all right. You're safe. You're not in danger like
you were back then. And some of some of you
are listening, it's like I can see your faces and
it's like God is saying to you, you're not in
danger like you were back then. I'm actually trying to
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help you. Take a deep breath, calm down. I've got
something I want to tell you. And when you get
still enough, and when you get quiet enough, can begin
to see what it is that God's doing, what he's
trying to protect you from, and how he's trying to
help you. So, Father, for those two individuals that I'm
seeing right now, that male and that female, I just
asked that you would grant them the grace to be still.
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I speak stillness to their mind and to their heart,
to their thoughts, to their soul in Jesus' name, and
I asked that you would open up their ears to
be able to hear your voice and to be able
to see today open they're spiritualized, to be able to
see what it is You're doing in their life, and
that they would know that they are loved and that
you were trying to help them in Jesus' name. Amen.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, it's so important. And there comes a point, you
know the Bible, if you're struggling with fleshly things and desires.
The Bible says I have been crucified with Christ. It
is no longer I that lived, that Christ that lives
in me and the life I now live. I live
by faith in the son of God, who gave himself
up for me. Maybe it's just time to take some
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of the fleshly stuff you've been fold sing on and
crucify it, put it to death, put it out of
your life. Maybe it's time to shut off Netflix. Oh
did I say that? Oh my goodness. Or maybe it's
time to do some fasting and praying. I don't know
what your influences. I don't know what is governing you.
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So the word governing means controlling what's controlling you. And
the Bible says that we are not to be mastered
by anything, So you got to look at what's controlling you.
I've met people where money controls them. I've met people
that don't have money and that controls them. I met
people that food can Oh my goodness, late, you can't
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see me on the radio. I've lost about thirty five pounds.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Oh my gosh. I gave up bread. I gave up sugar.
Oh it was so hard. I went to salad, eating
like a rabbit.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Sugar is like the number one cause of most diseases, diabetes.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Although you know what disease. And then I went to protein.
I can't have protein, so they got chicken and yeah, beef.
I love protein, and so because I had to crucify
some things, you know what, I realized, Oh my goodness,
I was being governed by the flesh. In other words,
food had a lot bigger hold on me. And bread.
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I can't tell you how much I like bread. Oh,
I just love bread. I hope I'm not making you
hungry for that. I never took sugar in my coffee really,
so that wasn't a big deal for me. But I
like chocolate or like. So I get here in the
morning and Sharon Joy she brings in my mom made
you bunk cat. Oh my gosh, I could eat the
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whole thing. That thing is so delicious. I'm like, get
thee behind me, get that bunk cat out of my face.
Although I will tell you now that I've lost thirty,
I will have a piece of bunk cat. And if
it's your birthday, I will have a piece of your nice,
sweet frosty cake. But when the mind is governed by
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things you want, I mean I used to drink regular pop.
In fact, the last time I went to the mission field,
they didn't know what to think because they go gale
in the past. You're always carrying a can of coke
with you. You don't have none of it with you.
I'm losing weight. I'm getting a lot lighter. I got
up that mountain in Costa Rica a lot easier than les. Yeah,
I know you did, Oh my gosh. And so think
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of what's governing and what you don't know is how
it's weighing.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
You down well, and how you know that you're being
governed by it is. Your flesh throws a fit when
it's gone, just like that horse, right. If you don't
have control, you throw a fit. You start to trigger,
you kind of manifest you act not so nice. Druds
people if you don't get the cake, or you don't
get the pop, or you don't get the coffee caffeine,
or you don't get your way right like you're having
a total meltdown. Those are all indicators that your flesh
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might need to be tempered and put under the authority
of the word of God, in the ways of God
and the character of Christ.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I've had people say, oh, I don't need to drink.
I said, good, give it up for two months. What
give it up if you don't need it you're not
addicted by give it up. That's right, And you know what,
they can't do it. Two weeks later, I'm drinking again. Yeah.
Quitting for a day it was one thing. Giving it
up for two to three months is another. Changing your
lifestyles another. See, that's the thing I had to do.
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So my numbers in my physical health was getting out
of control. My sugar was one hundred and twenty six,
my cholesterol was two fourteen. But now I've changed my lifestyle.
My sugar went from one twenty six to one oh three,
and my cholestero I went from two fourteen to one ninety.
And so then my wife said, what are you doing?
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And I told her. She goes, oh, I'd hate that.
You know. I put myself on a new way of living,
on a new diet, and guess what, it's working. I
love protein, I must say that, and I'm adjusting to
this new way of living. Nexting the sugar that was
kind of hard. I didn't realize how much I like that.
So whatever's controlling you what you don't realize. When I
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weighed two hundred and twenty five pounds, I didn't realize
how much that extra weight weighed me down. When I
got rid of it and I was coming back up
the mountain, I realized how much it weighed me down.
I realized I was a lot freer. I could do.
I can move. And what really motivated me not to
be governed by the flesh is because if I want
to live and be in good health until I'm in
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my until I'm one hundred, then I surely can't. I
heard someone say, you think you're gonna live to me
a hundred. I don't know. But if I want to
be in good health as I get older, I can't
allow that other stuff to govern me. I've got to
I've got to develop a lifestyle that's healthy so I
can move, so I can have energy, so I can
run circles around the twenty year old, of which I can't.
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I can't. Got a story.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I got a story, Okay, go ahead, Okay. My kids
love TikTok and they send me all these little TikTok reels,
so I never have done loaded. Okay. It just was like, no,
I know me, I have an addictive personality, and I
cannot download this TikTok because the algorithm so good on it.
So I open it up one day I open up
this reeal and I'm watching it and I download it
before church. I'm supposed to preach that day, and I
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am get online. I'm laughing so hard at the real
my kids, it was clean, it was funny. Well, I
go to scroll up and it keeps feeding me more
of the same thing. I laughed for three hours straight, Gail,
three hours straight of my life. I wasted on TikTok
laughing my health and I thought, I have to delete
this app. I cannot keep it on my phone because
I'm going to waste so much of my time. We
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have three things time, treasure, and talent that we can
sew into the kingdom. And I had wasted three hours
that morning when I could have been preparing and praying
and seeking the Lord and getting ready to be a blessing.
I thought, this is not gonna be good for me.
I had to delete it from my phone so that
I could put my flesh down and do the things
of the kingdom and not be distracted.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Well, and I'm thinking of the people that are addicted,
like maybe it's drugs or alcohol, cigarettes, whatever it is.
All I'm saying is that God has the power to
free you. It might be a fight, but it's worth
getting rid of. So in the name of Jesus. Right now,
I do pray for those that are addicted that God
would break your addiction in Jesus' name. But if you're
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addicted to some things, you might want to get some counseling.
You might want to come to spiritual Care two sixt'
nine nine nine two nine one to get some healing ministry,
so you can get free from the things that have
addicted you and bothered you and governed you for years.
So you can get free of those things. And so
the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.
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And every day I look forward to that peace. Every
day when I get up, I look forward to the
Lord giving me peace that pass us all understanding, that
will guard my heart and my mind and Christ, Jesus
and the only There's only one person I want to
govern me, and that's the person of the Holy Spirit.
I want the Holy Spirit. But there are things that
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we can do that make the Holy Spirit draw away
from us too. I mean, if you've accepted him into
your heart, he lives with you. But if you're living
in a lifestyle of sin, you can grieve him. He
can be grieved. He can like, oh man, I can't
believe you're doing that. But don't live in condemnation. Live
by faith, Come to Jesus, ask for forgiveness if you're
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not living right, as for cleansing in the blood of Jesus,
and the Lord will be with you to strengthen you,
to help you.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
To overcome immediate restoration.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
You can have a new governor and it's the Holy Spirit. Yes, yes,
you thought I was going to mention something else. Then
you know you can have a new governor, the Holy Spirit.
He can be the one controlling you, helping you, blessing you.
His name is the Paracletos, the one who walks alongside,
the one who is my what helper. So whatever you're
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struggling with today, I want to share with you, fight
the good fight to hear from you. My email is
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Healing Begins radio dot com. And Stephanie, you got some
good books out right, I do. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I've got two books for leaders, primarily who are looking
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Transforming a City. It's all about influencing leaders for the
sake of the kingdom and really fulfilling your destiny. And
the second one is rest is war. So it's kind
of for individuals maybe who are in the dark night
of the soul where it seems like everything in your
life is going wrong and you're just under a tax
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that make no sense, and how to labor to enter
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weapon to overcome and come into the place of victory.
And those can both be found on Amazon. Just look
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Speaker 1 (18:54):
Okay, now I got six books out presently. I've got
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amazing Every chapter is a story. I got God Moments too,
more stories of God's stories. Look at God's stories can
encourage you to follow and live by the life of
the Spirit. And so I encourage you in that. I've
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stuff available if you need your mind governed, because if
you want to be governed by the spirit of God,
you got to really take a look at what you're
focusing on. Would you like you got a scripture you
want to share or anything?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, I just think you know, my favorite one probably
is pick up your cross daily, right, pick up your
cross daily. And I know that sounds like kind of
tormenting in some ways, but this is the deal. When
your flesh is dying, it doesn't feel good. No discipline
seems pleasant at the time but painful later on. However,
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it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those
of us who've been trained by it. So honestly, I
don't know if you've ever fasted, but my first fast
day I went on, it only took me three days.
Three days, and then my flesh finally quieted down enough
so that I had peace. So whatever you're facing, whatever
struggle you're having, give it three days. Your flesh will
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quiet down. Get your eyes and the Word. Get your
eyes on the Lord, get your heart into prayer, and
you'll find that you two can overcome.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Why don't you left up a prayer for those that
would have the strength, that God would give them the
strength to resist the flesh and be governed by the
spirit of God.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, so, Father, we do just pray for those lists
name that you know what they need, You know what
it is that they're struggling with. You said that you
desire that we would prosper and be in good health
in every way, even.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
As our soul prospers.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So if there are soul wounds that are making it
difficult for them to give up this thing, I asked
that you would heal those places. If it's emotional wounds,
I asked that you would heal those places. If it's
just a lack of revelation and knowing who you are,
and really they're not at a place where they're kind
of in a place where they're coming out of the
world and coming into the church and into their walk
with you, that you would actually give them a hate
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for the sin and a love for you and for
your ways, and you will grant them all the fullness
of the grace that they need to come into that
place of loving righteousness, loving holiness, loving being healthy for you,
so that you would give them a vision for who
does you call them to be and where it is
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your calling them to make an impact for your name's sake,
And you would grant them all the grace that they
need to lay down their flesh, whatever thing you're pointing
out to them today, that you would grant them the
grace to lay it down and to pick up their
cross and walk with you daily, and that you would
fill them with peace, with the revelation that they indeed
are righteous despite the struggle that they're having, and with
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your joy because in your presence is fullness of joy
in Jesus' name. Amen.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Well, May the Lord bless you and keep you, CAUs
His face to shine upon you, give you peace. And
one of the things I want to say as I
end is I pray that your life and everything you
do would be controlled and governed by the Holy Spirit,
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that you could let go of the flesh and begin
to walk in the Spirit in a new way. Well
from Gale and.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Stephanie, you have a great morning.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
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Welcome to Healing Begins. My name is Pastor Gale and.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
This is Stephanie Butler. Good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
We're here to be with you on your drive or listen,
to be with you in the house or work, or
running down the road or listening later by podcast. You
know how many people were speaking to one one. That's
right you that are listening, right, you got your headphones in.
We're coming right in through your ears into your mind.
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So the title of the message is the mind governed
by the Spirit and the flesh. So I thought a
lot about the word governed. Do you want to read
that definition from the Greek there.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, absolutely so. In romans Ay, the Greek word that
we often translate governed, like the mind governed by the spirit,
is typically associated with the idea of being set on
or mindings. The Greek verb often used here is froneo.
The meaning of froneo is to set one's mind on something.
(01:10):
It means to think about it, to be intent on,
or to have a mindset directed towards something specific, to
be disposed in a certain way. It's about adopting a
certain attitude or orientation of the mind. In other words,
when Paul talks about a mind governed by the spirit.
He's using language that means your mindset is oriented by
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this the spirit of God, focused on the spirit's leading
and desires. And it's the opposite of having your mindset
oriented by the flesh and being set or focused on
those things.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I like the word governed. So my question to you
this morning that are either listening on radio or podcasts?
What are you being governed by? Oh, Stephanie. If I
went to your car and I put a governor on
your gas pedal, what does that mean? Control? Correct? So,
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in other words, how fast could your car.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Go only to the set level of the governance?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
That's correct? How fast can you go spiritually to the
set level level of the governor? Whatever is governing you?
Are you governing by the spirit? Are you governed by
the flesh? Boy? Oh boy, the flesh a straw on
the world, the flesh, the devil, the pride of life.
What we see with our eyes, Oh, my goodness. Not
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everything that glitters is gold. I had a young man
that was talking to me one time. He goes, there's
a lot of gold in my kingdom. He said, yeah,
and I go, this fool's gold. It glitters, But it's
not true. Gold. And so, Stephanie, why don't you read
Romans Chapter eight Versus five through eight.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I'd love to. This is how the NIV. And it says,
those who live according to the flesh have their mindset,
and with the flesh desires. But those who live in
accordance with the Spirit have their mindset and with the
spirit desires. The mind governed by the flesh is death,
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but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.
The mind governed by the flesh is hostile toward God.
It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do.
So those who are in the realm of the flesh
cannot please God.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Let's stop right there. I think everybody in the world
would like life and peace.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Amen, And I think everybody in the world starts in
the flesh.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Well, here's the thing, Just to.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Make you feel better if you're hearing.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
That and going on, here's the thing. People are doing
everything they can to get peace. They're doing drugs, are
doing alcohol, they're doing sex, they're doing all kinds of stuff.
But they're all coming up short, coming up empty. And
so so the question is, if you don't have a
peace of mind, what are you being governed by and
(04:15):
so you have a chance to switch over to the
spirit absolutely and get a mind and a life filled
with peace. So read Romans eight fourteen through seventeen.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
So this again is in the nav We're starting with
verse fourteen. It says, for those who are led by
the Spirit of God are the children of God? The
spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that
you live in fear again. Rather, the spirit you received
brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we
(04:49):
cry abba Father. The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit
that we are God's children. Now, if we're children, then
we're heirs airs of God, in co heirs with Christ.
If indeed we share in his sufferings in order that
we may also share in His glory.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
This is a really good scripture for those that are
led by the spirit of God or the children of God.
Once again, what are you being led by? So have
you ever seen someone leading the horse? I was in
We were in the mountains of Costa Rica. That was
kind of hilarious, And there was this man that had
a horse tied to a tree, and he got that
(05:33):
rope all tangled up and that horse was rearing up
on his front legs, and man, it was kicking up
the storm. So the guy goes out to get the
end of the rope. I can tell you who was
not leading the horse. It was him, because that horse
was going wild. And finally, finally he got the horse
(05:55):
out of control, under control. But you know what the
key was. He was trying to help the horse. He
didn't want the horse to get hurt. Well, sometimes when
God is leading us, we're like that horse. Yeah, we're
bucking up, we're just jumping. We don't want to be leeding.
God is saying, I'm trying to protect you. I'm trying
(06:18):
to help you. I'm trying to lead you. Will you
let me lead you? Finally? I mean other people tried
to calm that horse down. Let me tell you that
horse was not going to calm. Finally had calmed down
and he got him tied in a safer pasture. And
maybe God is trying to bring you to a safer pasture,
(06:38):
get you out of one situation into another situation. You see,
all that horse could see was he had a rope
around his neck. Yeah, and all that horse knew is
that his rope was getting shorter and shorter, and the
more I got tangled up, and so the more he
fought against it, the worse it got. And so sometimes
following God and being with the Lord is real similar
(06:59):
to that. Sometimes the more we fight against what God
is trying to do and how he's trying to lead us,
our mind is not being governed by the spirit, although
God wants it to be, being governed more by the
flesh or how we feel. I imagine the horse from
the looks of things, the horse was panicked. Okay, that
horse was panicking. We all could see it. We were
all watching, wondering if this guy was going to survive
(07:22):
leading the horse. He finally did survive. He got the
horse calm down.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
So well, I think, you know, I'm just seeing two
people and seeing a male and a female. And sometimes
we go through life circumstances where individuals who were in
authority over us were not safe people. So when we
get tangled up or it feels like the leash is
getting short, we're feeling cornered in some way, shape or form,
it puts a little bit of a panic in us,
(07:48):
and our body begins to panic, and our mind begins
to panic, and we begin to you know kind of
go down pathways that have protected us in the path
in the past, but maybe are not so necessary in
the current circumstance. And when God is shortening your leash,
there's a reason he's shortening your leash, and he's doing it,
like Pastor Gill said, to keep you safe. And maybe
(08:09):
you're in a situation right now, since there's a couple
of people listening that are you're in a situation where
your leash is getting your lead rope is getting shorter
and shorter and shorter because God is trying to protect
you from something that you're running through and you're all
tangled up. The scripture tells us to be still, be still,
(08:30):
and know that he has gotten. If you've ever watched
any of the Ranchy movies, they get real close to
the horse's face and they start to say, there, girl,
it's okay, it's all right, buddy, calm down, You're gonna
be all right. You're safe. You're not in danger like
you were back then. And some of some of you
are listening, it's like I can see your faces and
it's like God is saying to you, you're not in
danger like you were back then. I'm actually trying to
(08:52):
help you. Take a deep breath, calm down. I've got
something I want to tell you. And when you get
still enough, and when you get quiet enough, can begin
to see what it is that God's doing, what he's
trying to protect you from, and how he's trying to
help you. So, Father, for those two individuals that I'm
seeing right now, that male and that female, I just
asked that you would grant them the grace to be still.
(09:13):
I speak stillness to their mind and to their heart,
to their thoughts, to their soul in Jesus' name, and
I asked that you would open up their ears to
be able to hear your voice and to be able
to see today open they're spiritualized, to be able to
see what it is You're doing in their life, and
that they would know that they are loved and that
you were trying to help them in Jesus' name. Amen.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yeah, it's so important. And there comes a point, you
know the Bible, if you're struggling with fleshly things and desires.
The Bible says I have been crucified with Christ. It
is no longer I that lived, that Christ that lives
in me and the life I now live. I live
by faith in the son of God, who gave himself
up for me. Maybe it's just time to take some
(09:58):
of the fleshly stuff you've been fold sing on and
crucify it, put it to death, put it out of
your life. Maybe it's time to shut off Netflix. Oh
did I say that? Oh my goodness. Or maybe it's
time to do some fasting and praying. I don't know
what your influences. I don't know what is governing you.
(10:18):
So the word governing means controlling what's controlling you. And
the Bible says that we are not to be mastered
by anything, So you got to look at what's controlling you.
I've met people where money controls them. I've met people
that don't have money and that controls them. I met
people that food can Oh my goodness, late, you can't
(10:40):
see me on the radio. I've lost about thirty five pounds.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Oh my gosh. I gave up bread. I gave up sugar.
Oh it was so hard. I went to salad, eating
like a rabbit.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Sugar is like the number one cause of most diseases, diabetes.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Although you know what disease. And then I went to protein.
I can't have protein, so they got chicken and yeah, beef.
I love protein, and so because I had to crucify
some things, you know what, I realized, Oh my goodness,
I was being governed by the flesh. In other words,
food had a lot bigger hold on me. And bread.
(11:24):
I can't tell you how much I like bread. Oh,
I just love bread. I hope I'm not making you
hungry for that. I never took sugar in my coffee really,
so that wasn't a big deal for me. But I
like chocolate or like. So I get here in the
morning and Sharon Joy she brings in my mom made
you bunk cat. Oh my gosh, I could eat the
(11:45):
whole thing. That thing is so delicious. I'm like, get
thee behind me, get that bunk cat out of my face.
Although I will tell you now that I've lost thirty,
I will have a piece of bunk cat. And if
it's your birthday, I will have a piece of your nice,
sweet frosty cake. But when the mind is governed by
(12:05):
things you want, I mean I used to drink regular pop.
In fact, the last time I went to the mission field,
they didn't know what to think because they go gale
in the past. You're always carrying a can of coke
with you. You don't have none of it with you.
I'm losing weight. I'm getting a lot lighter. I got
up that mountain in Costa Rica a lot easier than les. Yeah,
I know you did, Oh my gosh. And so think
(12:27):
of what's governing and what you don't know is how
it's weighing.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
You down well, and how you know that you're being
governed by it is. Your flesh throws a fit when
it's gone, just like that horse, right. If you don't
have control, you throw a fit. You start to trigger,
you kind of manifest you act not so nice. Druds
people if you don't get the cake, or you don't
get the pop, or you don't get the coffee caffeine,
or you don't get your way right like you're having
a total meltdown. Those are all indicators that your flesh
(12:53):
might need to be tempered and put under the authority
of the word of God, in the ways of God
and the character of Christ.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
I've had people say, oh, I don't need to drink.
I said, good, give it up for two months. What
give it up if you don't need it you're not
addicted by give it up. That's right, And you know what,
they can't do it. Two weeks later, I'm drinking again. Yeah.
Quitting for a day it was one thing. Giving it
up for two to three months is another. Changing your
lifestyles another. See, that's the thing I had to do.
(13:23):
So my numbers in my physical health was getting out
of control. My sugar was one hundred and twenty six,
my cholesterol was two fourteen. But now I've changed my lifestyle.
My sugar went from one twenty six to one oh three,
and my cholestero I went from two fourteen to one ninety.
And so then my wife said, what are you doing?
(13:44):
And I told her. She goes, oh, I'd hate that.
You know. I put myself on a new way of living,
on a new diet, and guess what, it's working. I
love protein, I must say that, and I'm adjusting to
this new way of living. Nexting the sugar that was
kind of hard. I didn't realize how much I like that.
So whatever's controlling you what you don't realize. When I
(14:08):
weighed two hundred and twenty five pounds, I didn't realize
how much that extra weight weighed me down. When I
got rid of it and I was coming back up
the mountain, I realized how much it weighed me down.
I realized I was a lot freer. I could do.
I can move. And what really motivated me not to
be governed by the flesh is because if I want
to live and be in good health until I'm in
(14:29):
my until I'm one hundred, then I surely can't. I
heard someone say, you think you're gonna live to me
a hundred. I don't know. But if I want to
be in good health as I get older, I can't
allow that other stuff to govern me. I've got to
I've got to develop a lifestyle that's healthy so I
can move, so I can have energy, so I can
run circles around the twenty year old, of which I can't.
(14:51):
I can't. Got a story.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I got a story, Okay, go ahead, Okay. My kids
love TikTok and they send me all these little TikTok reels,
so I never have done loaded. Okay. It just was like, no,
I know me, I have an addictive personality, and I
cannot download this TikTok because the algorithm so good on it.
So I open it up one day I open up
this reeal and I'm watching it and I download it
before church. I'm supposed to preach that day, and I
(15:14):
am get online. I'm laughing so hard at the real
my kids, it was clean, it was funny. Well, I
go to scroll up and it keeps feeding me more
of the same thing. I laughed for three hours straight, Gail,
three hours straight of my life. I wasted on TikTok
laughing my health and I thought, I have to delete
this app. I cannot keep it on my phone because
I'm going to waste so much of my time. We
(15:36):
have three things time, treasure, and talent that we can
sew into the kingdom. And I had wasted three hours
that morning when I could have been preparing and praying
and seeking the Lord and getting ready to be a blessing.
I thought, this is not gonna be good for me.
I had to delete it from my phone so that
I could put my flesh down and do the things
of the kingdom and not be distracted.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Well, and I'm thinking of the people that are addicted,
like maybe it's drugs or alcohol, cigarettes, whatever it is.
All I'm saying is that God has the power to
free you. It might be a fight, but it's worth
getting rid of. So in the name of Jesus. Right now,
I do pray for those that are addicted that God
would break your addiction in Jesus' name. But if you're
(16:20):
addicted to some things, you might want to get some counseling.
You might want to come to spiritual Care two sixt'
nine nine nine two nine one to get some healing ministry,
so you can get free from the things that have
addicted you and bothered you and governed you for years.
So you can get free of those things. And so
the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace.
(16:41):
And every day I look forward to that peace. Every
day when I get up, I look forward to the
Lord giving me peace that pass us all understanding, that
will guard my heart and my mind and Christ, Jesus
and the only There's only one person I want to
govern me, and that's the person of the Holy Spirit.
I want the Holy Spirit. But there are things that
(17:02):
we can do that make the Holy Spirit draw away
from us too. I mean, if you've accepted him into
your heart, he lives with you. But if you're living
in a lifestyle of sin, you can grieve him. He
can be grieved. He can like, oh man, I can't
believe you're doing that. But don't live in condemnation. Live
by faith, Come to Jesus, ask for forgiveness if you're
(17:25):
not living right, as for cleansing in the blood of Jesus,
and the Lord will be with you to strengthen you,
to help you.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
To overcome immediate restoration.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
You can have a new governor and it's the Holy Spirit. Yes, yes,
you thought I was going to mention something else. Then
you know you can have a new governor, the Holy Spirit.
He can be the one controlling you, helping you, blessing you.
His name is the Paracletos, the one who walks alongside,
the one who is my what helper. So whatever you're
(17:56):
struggling with today, I want to share with you, fight
the good fight to hear from you. My email is
Share a Healing Begins radio dot com. That Share and
Healing Begins radio dot com. And Stephanie, you got some
good books out right, I do. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I've got two books for leaders, primarily who are looking
to be influencers. One's called Magnanimous Love, The Key to
Transforming a City. It's all about influencing leaders for the
sake of the kingdom and really fulfilling your destiny. And
the second one is rest is war. So it's kind
of for individuals maybe who are in the dark night
of the soul where it seems like everything in your
life is going wrong and you're just under a tax
(18:34):
that make no sense, and how to labor to enter
into the rest of God and how that becomes a
weapon to overcome and come into the place of victory.
And those can both be found on Amazon. Just look
me up at Stephanie Butler sde p h A and
I E. Butler but L E R. And you'll be
able to find those there. We have both an electronic
version and a hard copy version as well.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Okay, now I got six books out presently. I've got
God Moments, Amazing Counters of the Divine and Everyday Life's
got a big Cross on the front man. That's an
amazing Every chapter is a story. I got God Moments too,
more stories of God's stories. Look at God's stories can
encourage you to follow and live by the life of
the Spirit. And so I encourage you in that. I've
(19:17):
got Jesus in the Mountains and so Jesus in the
Mountains is all about God's stories and it's about seeing
God move in the mountains of Costa Rica, Honduras. All
the books are on audio. All the books. Those two
books are in Spanish and they're on Kindo. I've Got
the Heart of Healing because God's heart is to heal you.
(19:37):
It's about the ministry of Spiritual Care and how it
can help you. I Got the Heart of Healing a
six week healing journey. It's a devotional book for those
that want to go deeper in their walk with Jesus
and in their walk with the Lord. It seems like
I'm forgetting a book right now. Oh, I've got the
Unexpected call my Trip to nine to eleven. I'm telling
(19:58):
stories about what I did and coming out December fifteen,
Amazon dot com. Ninety day devotional Walking in Freedom. It's
just day one through day ninety for those of you
that want to walk in more freedom. All the books
can be found on Amazon dot com. Put in my
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(20:20):
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(20:43):
stuff available if you need your mind governed, because if
you want to be governed by the spirit of God,
you got to really take a look at what you're
focusing on. Would you like you got a scripture you
want to share or anything?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, I just think you know, my favorite one probably
is pick up your cross daily, right, pick up your
cross daily. And I know that sounds like kind of
tormenting in some ways, but this is the deal. When
your flesh is dying, it doesn't feel good. No discipline
seems pleasant at the time but painful later on. However,
(21:19):
it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those
of us who've been trained by it. So honestly, I
don't know if you've ever fasted, but my first fast
day I went on, it only took me three days.
Three days, and then my flesh finally quieted down enough
so that I had peace. So whatever you're facing, whatever
struggle you're having, give it three days. Your flesh will
(21:40):
quiet down. Get your eyes and the Word. Get your
eyes on the Lord, get your heart into prayer, and
you'll find that you two can overcome.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Why don't you left up a prayer for those that
would have the strength, that God would give them the
strength to resist the flesh and be governed by the
spirit of God.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, so, Father, we do just pray for those lists
name that you know what they need, You know what
it is that they're struggling with. You said that you
desire that we would prosper and be in good health
in every way, even.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
As our soul prospers.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
So if there are soul wounds that are making it
difficult for them to give up this thing, I asked
that you would heal those places. If it's emotional wounds,
I asked that you would heal those places. If it's
just a lack of revelation and knowing who you are,
and really they're not at a place where they're kind
of in a place where they're coming out of the
world and coming into the church and into their walk
with you, that you would actually give them a hate
(22:32):
for the sin and a love for you and for
your ways, and you will grant them all the fullness
of the grace that they need to come into that
place of loving righteousness, loving holiness, loving being healthy for you,
so that you would give them a vision for who
does you call them to be and where it is
(22:53):
your calling them to make an impact for your name's sake,
And you would grant them all the grace that they
need to lay down their flesh, whatever thing you're pointing
out to them today, that you would grant them the
grace to lay it down and to pick up their
cross and walk with you daily, and that you would
fill them with peace, with the revelation that they indeed
are righteous despite the struggle that they're having, and with
(23:16):
your joy because in your presence is fullness of joy
in Jesus' name. Amen.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Well, May the Lord bless you and keep you, CAUs
His face to shine upon you, give you peace. And
one of the things I want to say as I
end is I pray that your life and everything you
do would be controlled and governed by the Holy Spirit,
(23:43):
that you could let go of the flesh and begin
to walk in the Spirit in a new way. Well
from Gale and.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Stephanie, you have a great morning.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
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