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January 2, 2023 24 min

Is acceptance overrated? What happens when you have to face a new year without your person in it (or without the health you used to have!)?  In this special two-part episode, we face the new year together - with a re-release of my conversation with historian, author, and queen of awkward conversations, Kate Bowler. 


In this episode: 

  • How do you have hope for the year to come when right now maybe isn’t so great? 
  • Acceptance, moving forward, and ferocious self-advocacy
  • The Math of Suffering: this year, last year, and measuring love
  • Why social bonds matter, and what happens when no one sees you

Notable quotes: 

“Aggressive futurism prevents us from being honest” - Dr. Kate Bowler

“I want my suffering to be translatable. If I can't be translated, I can't be seen.” - Dr. Kate Bowler

“We weaponize acceptance. It's applied from the outside as this end goal that you need to get to in order to be palatable to the others around you.” - Megan 

About Kate:


Kate Bowler, PhD, is an associate professor of the history of Christianity in North America at Duke Divinity School. Author of the New York Times bestselling memoir, Everything Happens for a Reason, Dr. Bowler stages a national conversation around why it’s so difficult to speak frankly about suffering through her popular podcast, Everything Happens. She has appeared on NPR, The TODAY Show, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and TIME Magazine. Her latest book, No Cure For Being Human), grapples with her diagnosis, her ambition, and her faith as she tries to come to terms with limitations in a culture that says anything is possible. Follow her @Katecbowler on all social Platforms.

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