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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back to iHeart Cincy.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Sandy Collins here with the president of the National Court
Reporters Association.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
It's called NCRIA.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Cindy Isaacson is an official court reporter from Shawnee, Kansas.
She was elected last July for the term that's this year,
and she's serving to lead this organization of people who
do court reporting and close captioning as a career. She
is very excited about this career after nearly forty years,
almost as long as Beverly DeAngelo has been an actress.
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So we talked a little bit earlier this week because
they're celebrating the court reporters and the closed captioners that
make our lives so much easier here in the US.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Hi, Cindy, Welcome to iHeart Cincy.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
So, Cindy, you are the president of your organization, Is
that right?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
The National Court Reporters Association, which is an association for
court reporters and captioners.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So you are the official court reporter there. It's your hometown.
Is your hometown in Kansas?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Well, I started off in Texas and went to Tennessee
and in Germany and Louisiana and now I'm here in
Kansas and have had an exciting career in all my.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Thirty eight years of court reporting.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Who knew that it would be that much travel and
that much fun in your life?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Oh? I, you know, And I thought when I moved
to Germany, I thought, there's no way I could be
able to work in Germany. And I got there and
met a girl who her husband was being transferred back
to the state and she was working for a firm
out of Frankfort, and she was like, of course, she
can work here.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
And I started working.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
And I keep thinking back at twenty two years old,
working in a foreign country, going all over the place,
and there's so many opportunities and so many things that
you can do with this.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
And I have my little machine back here behind me.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
There's so many things that you can do with this
little machine and this great career.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Why would anybody want to do this? Can it be boring?
Is the question? Facetiously.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
For one, there's so many job opportunities.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
You know, I'm an official reporter, so I work at
a courthouse, criminal trials, civil trials, divorce.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Every day is a new day. You learn so many things.
It's not like you're doing the same thing over and
over and over again. You know, you may be taking
the testimony of, you know, a psychiatrist. You may be
taking a testimony of a guy who builds a house,
an electrician. You're always learning something from somebody.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
You meet people. You know, I took the deposition of
Gail Sayers one time. You know, he's one of the
greatest running backs of all times.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
And so you know, you're just always going Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
You never know who you're going to meet, and you
kind of sit back and they say that we're kind
of the silent person in the room, but you know,
you really do command the room, you know, making sure
that we get an accurate record of what's being said.
Like I said, I'm an official reporter, and my days
are different. I may want they be in a criminal
a murder trial where you're taking DNA testimony, ballistics, you know,
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fingerprint analysis, blood spatter, those are all very interesting things.
Everybody watches CSI and we can't get enough of prime
scene stuff. So I just got out of a civil
trial and it ended up settling this morning, so I
was not mad about that. And the benefits of being
in court is that you have a salary, and you
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have retirement and you have all that stability being in court,
and you get the extra money preparing transcripts because you know,
by statute we get paid extra for doing that. Then
you have the ability to do freelance where you're working
for a firm, you're working for yourself, you're working for
several firms, and so you get to kind of be
in control of your day to day activities, what you're
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going to take, who you're going to work for, and then.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
In the world is your oyster.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
You get to do as much or as little as
you want to do, depending on your life circumstance. You
have several little children at home and you want to
just take a couple.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Of jobs a week, you have that ability to do that.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
If you're saying I want to make as much money
as I can possibly pocket, then you can do that too,
which is fantastic. I had a friend who was working
here at the courthouse and she people made her just
absolutely nervous as a you know, she just said, you know,
a cat and in a rocking chair factory.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
She hated it. So she said, I want to be
a captioner.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
I want to be at home with my earphones on
captioning the news. Captioning sporting events.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
You know, she was an incredible writer on her machine.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
She just didn't like being around people and so she said,
I want to be a captioner and that's what she
started doing.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
So that's two really big parts of this job, which is,
you know, talking about the legal system, talking about close
captioning for not only the hearing impaired, but that has
exploded over the years because so many people now enjoy
the idea of being able to read what's on the screen,
whether they can hear or not because they miss half
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of the show. It took me forever to figure out
what was going on in Star Wars back in the day,
because I've just watched them in the last ten years
or so with close captions and went.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Oh, that's what they meant.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
So there's jobs in the moment.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, so there's jobs in that in close captioning. And also,
isn't it a law that the news stations have to
provide the close captioning? And I know that they'll feed
in the script from the reporter, from the anchor that's
reading it, but then when they often go to the reporter,
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there's nothing there. And so you are filling in that
block or people like you, is that what you're doing
or filling in that block and transcribing it live.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Right, So there is the eighty eight mandates, but we
are always standing up for our definite heart of hearing
community saying, hey, you have to provide that for them.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
They're entitled to be able to.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Watch the news, read the news, what's going on. If
there is an emergency, a tornado, whatever that's going on
in their world. They need to see accurately what's going
on and to you know, shelter in place and as
opposed to going outside going what's going on in the world.
They need to be able to see that on their screen. That's,
you know, part of what the capting does. Captioners also
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do the sporting events. You know, they're doing the Olympics,
they're doing the Super Bowl. You know, you have court
reporters that are up there with the other news reporters.
They sit up there with them with their headphones on
and they're writing what they're saying. You know, if you've
been at the football games, you know they'll have them
writing and you can read along with what's going on
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along with what's on the TV. So There's so many
things that you can do with this incredible career that
no one ever thinks about when they say, Hey, what
am I going to do when I grow up? This
is a viable career and it's not boring. You know,
there are days, just like any profession. Some days are
hard days, some days are easy days. It's all about
your you know your prep. You have to prep for
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your jobs.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I have so many questions for you, and I don't
think we're going to have enough time. I might have
to have you back.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
I love to come back.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I could spend hours talking about courtpoint because I love
this career so much.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
My first question is, because you're in the courtroom every
single day, we hear about the trauma that jurors go
through watching some of these really violent trials. You've got
to have some of that PTSD when it comes to
graphic testimony and photographs and things.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
How do you deal with that those high level crimes,
your rapes, your murders, And after thirty seven years, it
just starts taking.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
A toll on you.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
And I kind of realized you can't just talk about
things like this with just anybody because you don't know
what your neighbor's been through, you don't know what their
history is like, and so you can't just assume that
they're in somebody that you could.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Just talk to about it.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
So we started this peer to peer program within our association.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Every other month we get.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Together and we have exercises and have it opens us
up to be able to talk with one another about
it and how to deal with that so that we're
not feeling so alone and not feeling so isolated.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Because you do.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
You come back to your office and you've seen the pictures,
You've heard the testimony, and not just once.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
You'll hear a.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Prelim, then you hear it again in trial, then we
transcribe it, you proof read it. I mean, there's just
so many times over number. It's not just a one
time deal that you like your jurors may only hear
it once. We hear it several times. We all deal
with trauma differently. I like to talk about it and
then get it out of my life. But some things
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you can never get it out of your head. And
those are those those really hard things, and you just
have to find somebody to talk to and someone who
has been through kind of the same things that you
have been.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
It's just like the police and the first responders and
the EMTs and the firefighters that have to go see
these things, they have to talk to each other as well.
I got another question for you, Cindy. I'm seeing now
when I'm watching crime shows or trials, what I'm assuming
is a court reporter speaking into a closed mouthpiece so
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that people can't see what they're saying.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
What is that and how does that tie in?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Those are boys fighters, and so they are repeating what
people are saying. They hear the words and they repeat
it into their masks and it goes into the computer,
just like mine goes into the computer and it comes
out into English so that they can make a transcript
as well. It's another way of making the record. The
military has used that format for a long time.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
How many decades now we've been doing this, man, I'm.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Christian for four decades.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, and you're just as happy about it as can be.
I can tell you just really love this. So if
you don't want to be in court, let's say you
don't like the gruesome stuff, there's a lot of other options.
Where can folks go to find out more about this industry?
Then we'll talk about a little bit about where would
you get the education and kind of costs and what
you would expect.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
There's a free class that you can take and you
can even take it online just to see if you
even like the machine. Discover Steno dot org and it
takes you and there's like a little test that you
can take and you can get a Steno machine. We
have lots of people and places that you can get
a machine and you learn. The machine is called a
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to z a Z, so you can learn this machine
a learn the letters.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
The beauty is is that it's free.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
So that you're not dumping a lot of money into
something and going gosh, now I hate it, and you know,
you're feeling the pressure of you know, what do I do? Now?
There's one that you can do with the teacher, and
then there's one that you can do. They have all
the modules online. You can do it at your own
pay and then you can say now I don't want
to do and then they have all the schools that
you can sign up for. Some of them are brick
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and mortar. A lot of them are online now so
that you can sign up.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
You can do them.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Online and some of them are even at your own
pace until you get into a speed building class.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
We have lots of mentors.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
We have a lot of people that you get together
on a zoom and encourage one another. There's always so
many options as far as learning this machine.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Is AI going to affect this city.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
AI can be a tool, it can be something that
can help you, but it is not going to replace
because you've seen sometimes they have AI doing your closed captioning.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
And it is a hot mess. You're like, what is
being said right now? And it's sometimes it's embarrassing some
of the things that us.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You're like, oh no, yes, and it has to be
I mean, this has to be. This is legal stuff,
this is this is people's lives, this is crime, this
is divorces and children and all that. So you can't
just count on you just can't on a computer to
figure this out.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
It's your security. It's all this information that just goes
up into a cloud. And how many breaches do we have?
You know, you're talking about security and you're talking about
people's private information and it just goes up and to
who has it? You know, we're working on a bill
just to have a task force, just to have some
safeguards in place to.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Say, hey, AI is one thing. You know. It can
have a place, but the courtroom is not yet.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Well, it sounds like there's a lot of opportunities. I
hope you have fun. I hope you have some mimosas
with your friends this week. And if you're interested in
looking into this career again, as Cindy was saying, you
can go to discover steno dot org. There's a course
that you can take that's absolutely free to decide whether
or not this is something that you would want to do.
And we appreciate you taking time, Cindy to talk to
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us today about stenography, court reporting, and close captioning.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
As a career. Looks like it's done you a lot
of good.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
You've been all over the world and I appreciate you
taking time to talk to us today.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Love it. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
That's all the time we've got for this week.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
If you missed any of the show with Cindy or
Beverly DiAngelo, the actress from the Vacation Movies and the
ambassador to Ohio goes to the movies, just go to
the iHeartRadio app, look under podcasts and search for my
name Sandy Collins for iHeart Cincy's archive of all of.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
These great shows.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
If you'd like to make a suggestion, a comment, or
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