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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to Let's Garden with Scott Berlin. I'm here
with Sarah Geigerbin from Wimberg Landscaping and with Jim Hansel
from UC and what is it? Great Oaks, Great Oaks Yep, yep,
Great Oks for Existence yep. Yeah. We have Joe Boggs
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that's all the business to conduct. Let's get right back
to our favorite plants. Jim or I was going to
bring up something here, let me get it back here.
We were talking about your your last plant which you
saw at the peed out off Oudolph Garden in Detroit,

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and three of my plants came from that that visit
as well. Okay, one is an old one. Never I
don't think popular, but such a good, cool plant, Econops ritro.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
I think it's oh I love that. Yeah glow thistle. Yeah,
great plant.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
And it's not a thistle, it's an economics but it
has this round flower head, pretty blue flowers, and you
you grow a cultivar.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
I've grown platinum blue and this year I'm also growing
a white one, maybe Arctic snow or Arctic white. I
got them seeds from Gilido And man, you talk about
an easy seed to start. It germinates in just two
days or something. It grows easily in a plug tray
or in a pot. It was just bulletproof and the

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landscape for the.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Most part, so good for pollinators.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Came back after the first winter with extended snowpack, and
I mean it just has performed like a champ. And
it's that really pure blue color that is difficult to
get and the shape of the flower. They're like these
little lollipops that kind of stick up out over everything,

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and it blends well with a lot of things, and.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's an easy, easy grower, and the foliage kind of
has a little bit of a blue cast to it,
a little bit of a silvery and a little it's
not spiny, but it kay of looks a little.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah. The they call it globe thistle because the leaves
do look a bit like a thistle, which is not
selling it. And it is a courser look. It's not
a super tidy.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Great to mix with finer it is.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
It is great to mix. I made the mistake. I
put it kind of as a block planting, and I
wouldn't have I wouldn't do that again if I was
redesigning that, I would have put something finer textured in
between and used it a bit more sparingly.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Gotcha. Also from the Udolph Garden Detroit, I saw again
in a favorite from a long time, for a long time,
Stokesy a Peache's peachees pick. I think is the cultivar,
and it's it's sort of a bad name because it's
not peachy but more solid blue. But the woman who

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discovered the plant was named Peachy, and that's why the
head fake on the color got it. And then the
last one was an alium that I hadn't seen before
alium carry Latam pulchellum, which apparently is pretty fairly available
as a ball in the marketplace. It's called blue globe
onion and it's about the height of millennium, less than

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knee high, and the normally with an alium you get
that round flower head. This has I think it starts
with sort of around a little fireworky kind of upward
little and then the little filaments or whatever holds they
all sort of start to droop, so you get a

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really beautiful cascading look to the flower. And the word
on the street was it seeds around a little bit,
but not too bad in the way that you would
like it too in a naturalistic garden. So that was
Those were my three standouts from the visit. That and
just a reminder, you know, it's so so educational and
inspirational to go to these gardens, these public gardens and

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go and check out the plants, see what they do.
And you know, Pete out of and is certainly one
of the best at having a wide palette of plants, definitely,
and by going to look at his gardens and there's
a high line and the Lurry and a few others
in the country you can learn so many more plants
that you get. There are fascinating plants. Yeah, Jim, what

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do you we have next?

Speaker 2 (05:02):
I got a kind of cool plant given to me
a few weeks ago by our friend Ben Necessary. Oh yeah, yeah,
Callie Canthus. Burgundy spice. Yes, red foliage Callie Canthus. It's
really really cool. When the new foliage comes out, it's
kind of like a greenish burgundy with like silvery feel,
and then as the leaves age they get really dark burgundy.

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The first year in the garden, see what it does.
He asked me to try it form and report back
on how it performs, and so far it's it's.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Really really cool. Yeah. That came out about at least
five years ago. Yeah. Yeah, and first I haven't really
gotten in the trade too much yet. Yeah, but once
it does, I mean it's I think it's a hybrid
like aphrodite. Is I think so partlage wine, which means

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I have a really good vigor probably, I hope so size.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
So far it's held up. I've only had it in
the ground for maybe six or eight weeks, but it
looks good. It's not a water hog.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
That's when I can never remember the common spicewrub, sweet trub.
And the flowers are very primitive looking. They're kind of
magnolia like. Yes, and I think it did flower.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
The flowers get lost in the foliage though, okay on
this one, just because the flower color is kind of
in the same color family as the foliage. But I'm
growing it for foligh plant. I've got it planted right
next to a you. I know I shouldn't like us,
but I love us. I've got one called Wantong gold.
It's a gold leaf you. And I've got that next
to that gold leaf you. And it's really nice. So

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what I'm doing now is I'm trying to work in
some purple dark foliage plants throughout my garden, so I
have that sort of a theme that runs throughout.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
I like that. Yeah, very cool. Yeah. And you, by
the way, you have a stunning garden. A little later on,
hopefully we'll have time to talk about. And it's a
small garden, which very small is you know, I have
a bigger garden and I have small garden envy. Yeah,
I understand you can make it so perfect.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
I used to have big garden, emmy, but you know,
I tend a pretty big garden to Anderson, and it's
like as you get older, it's like, I think the
small garden sounds pretty good.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah, you're some pros to a small garden.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
You have to be more disciplined. You can't keep adding plants.
I can't. But the plants you can put in can
be the very best, and you can play with it
make it perfect. Yep, Sarah, do you have another plant?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
I do. Stacus white whisper was at Walters. I missed that,
so it wasn't even in flower. It was past flower,
but the seedheads had a greenish sort of cast and
the texture was wonderful, so the flowering would be a bonus.
And it's a white flowering Stackus. It looks like a Humilo,

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which is a purple flowering variety that's pretty widely available.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
And Sacus is st. A h Ys. And the one
you would know in the garden centers is.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Lambsier. But this doesn't really look like a Lambsier, even
though it's in the.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Same cheese they them.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
I don't yeah Betany.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Thank you, yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
So this is a white betany and the seed the
seedheads are what caught my.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Eye, which is a typical really.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeahmelo does not have seedheads that are going to turn.
You know, they're not offensive, They're fine, but I wouldn't
call them ornamental. And this one was really nice. And
and Betany is kind of a nice tidy plant that
the seedheads and the flowers are extremely upright, so there's
just really good texture going on. And in the display

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beds at Walter's Gardens, they had it next to a
Ucomia purple rain, just big, bold foliage that really set
up off those seed heads because you had the contrasting
backdrop so they almost glowed. And behind that they had
pardon me, big bluestone Niagara Falls, and those three plants

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together there was just such a nice composition.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
There were a lot of nice compositions and ball and
there were a couple of private gardens we went to
that was that were just amazing as well nice. One
of my favorite plants in the whole wide world is
an annual grass Melinus nerva gloomis ruby grass. I think
they just ruby grass and it has this beautifully fine

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textured foliage with a bluish cast, and you know, it's
not the most floriferous annual. It comes in a little later,
but the flowers. The grass flowers just come in a
rich ruby color and gradually fade out to pink. But
as they do so, they also changed texture from more

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of a very fine but defined flower and then suddenly
it just fluffs out and it's so so good. And
when I saw that Ball had a white version, first
I had an a version because why would you want
a white movie? But then you know, you start looking

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at it closer, and the white flowers were good on
their own. They were really nice. They had that soft,
fluffy texture that later in the season. But they had
it planted with verbena bonearians is the tall verbina, And
what a combination that was. It was sunny, a breathtaking.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
It was one of my favorite plants at Ball yesterday.
The grass was stunning. I saw it from across the
field and was like, oh my god, what is there?

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah, and works really well in naturalistic compositions, even though
it is an annual. They had this bed that was
it really really looked like one of those pollinator gardens,
just dreamy and the textures and the flows and the colors,
but it was with was it all annuals? I think
it was all annuals?

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, well, back in the back of the bed, I
think they had some other things, but right where it
was was all annuals.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
It was a great combination.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, and with pretty traditional landscape plants. They had a
yellow toned marigold, there was a seed variety verbina. I
forget what else they had in that bed, but.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Another grass of some kind of darker grass.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
And then they had that upatorium elegant feather, which was
new to me and upatorium let's say that one.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
We'll come back and we'll talk about that because it
was an exceptional plant that's worth talking about. And then
we'll also get into some timely task things you should
have done last week, especially Sarah and I who were
all were gone most of last week.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah, it's a long list.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah. Yeah. You are listening to That's Garden with Scott Berlin.
Stay tuned. We'll be back with Scott Berline talking gardening
with Sarah Geiger. Bean to my right and answer to
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to the core to the marrow.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
That's true, that is true.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
True. It's very good for you guys supposed to be here.
Thank you for being here.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Thank you, Scott, Yeah, my pleasure, A.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
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Speaker 2 (12:31):
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Speaker 1 (12:32):
That's you know, the whole point here is to give
out good, good information, get people excited about plants and gardens,
and get out there and doing it. So we were
just going to wrap up with our favorite plants right now,
with the upitorium you brought up and you've been.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Yeah, yeah, I was looking it up and I was
surprised to find that it's native. Well, I was most
surprised to find that it's a upatorium. It looks nothing
like a joe pie weed or you know, bone set
or anything like that. It looks like a tamarisk. It
has this very feathery kind of foliage, and it's very upright.

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We saw it in containers, we saw it in the landscape.
It just looks stunning everywhere you put it as a designer,
I'm always looking for that height element to contrast with
what's going on below. And it catches the wind like
a grass. I don't know what kind of flower it makes,
if any, but it doesn't need to because it has

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that incredible texture.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
And I'm just going to add a look that nothing
else has as far as I know.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Right right, it was very new and oh I want
to use this, Yeah, I want to fabulous. I think
it's actually it's hardy six through nine and the common
name for the species is dog fennel. And apparently it's
a it can be kind of weedy. It's it's native,
but it's a it's a weedy native. But this, this

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cultivar was red to be sterile, and so you know,
I feel better about that in a garden, even native plants,
if they're extremely weedy, I.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Don't necessarily gardening hard put exactly.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
You can do it, but you're creating a lot of
work for yourself. So ye, So I'll look forward to
growing that one.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Okay, So this isn't really a plant a favorite plant
right now. It's probably a favorite plant for the future.
But it was a cultivate last week actually, which is
a big trade show for the green industry and a
lot of new plant introductions go on. And Terra Nova,
which has put out a bunch of Achinaesia and especially

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coral bells over the years, so maybe the most important
introducer of all the colorful coral bells has a new line.
And this is absolutely amazing. It's it's very, very different.
It's called shot what was it, firewing firing f y
r wing series of coral bells and it yeah, it

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just you look at it and you go, is that
a corobell? Oh? Yeah, it is a corbel. Its recognizable
as a coral bell, but the leaf is completely different.
It looks like a filigree, like a really fine ya
Japanese maple.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
If you didn't know that they were doing this line,
you could mistake it for not a coral bell. But
it would confuse you. You know, it has all the
good things about the coral bells, but a totally different shape,
a totally different texture. Kind of the way the leaves overlap.
You guess the roughly and you know it's dissected. Some
of the coral bells do you have a ruffle on

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the edge, but they're pretty much you know that that
circular shape and this is a feathery. They they're marketing
as these look like little dragon wings, and they really do.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
I'm looking at a pr or press release here from
Terra Nova and they put this out for the Cultivate Show.
They described it as featuring deeply cut dragon inspired foliage
and seven gemstone themed colors. The collection is the result
of five years of intensive breeding and already being rolled

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out to tissue culture laboratories worldwide, and I'm being told
that they're selling everything they can produce now now, yeah,
And they said it started with an unexpected discovery rather
than a planned breeding objective about five years ago, found
a mutation. Listen to what they had to do. It

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was a no viable pollen from the flower or a
functioning ovary, so they made it tetraploid. This is getting
very technical, and then worked with embryos. You see embryos
in everything. They get this out through the market or
through the process, and in five years they went from
that one find to a series of what was it

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eight different plants, seven different plants. And you got to
look at these online, look at fire wing Hukra. They're
really different, really cool, and whether than why are e
f why are you? And it may not? Who knows
how good it grows in the ground. We'll find out.
You're listening to lights Guard with Scott Berlin. Come back,
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at things we should have done last week, timely tasks,
things we need to get on, and Jim, you had
a couple of ideas.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
The biggest thing I need to get on and hopefully
do that in between the showers this weekend is just
we I don't like to use I'm not anti chemical,
but I like to avoid using herbicides in my garden.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
I just don't.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
I don't around again. You know, it's part of our industry,
it's part of what we have to do. But personally,
if I can avoid that in my own garden, I
will just getting out and weeding, you know, getting those
weeds pulled before they flower. So that's the biggest thing
is understanding the biology of when to pull them.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
I have a little hand hole. Yeah, it's just like
if like a trousized little hoe and you can make
some good you can, Yeah, progress with your weeds. You
say nothing, You just get on your knees and start
wandering around the garden and just how those things up. Yeah,
and it really makes it different. I got it.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Well.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
I got a stirrup poe for those things I can't reach,
you know, like I don't want to get under that.
I've got a really pretty Aurelia Cordatta sun king, and
I don't want to get underneath that thing. I could
just take that yep, that stirrup hoe and just cut
everything off.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
If both those tools are really good for getting in
and around other plants. Sarah, do you have anything?

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Oh my goodness, there's so much I should have done
last week but did not do because I was not
there for it. But things are growing like crazy right now.
I came back in. My bananas are ten inches taller.
You know, of course the weeds are ten inches taller.
I you know, I'll be honest. I failed my tomatoes

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this year. I really should should I should have thinned
them out, and I have never well, I have used
tomato cages, but not in a long time, and not
for these varieties that are just monsters and they they're
getting all kinds of you know, leaf symptoms and they're
just falling apart. So, you know, I think it's important

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that home gardeners know that even professional horticulturists, even as
we're succeeding, were always failing. Also, you know, there's just
so many different plants and every season is different, and
so you know, we have we have set X just
like everybody.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Feels like a good time to remind everybody that you're
a lead associate. You've got an OGI a master.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Certification tomatoes for twenty five years, and I knew better.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
And yet you know, I just have there's so many
hours in a day.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
I have so much garden to take care of. I
have an acre, I have a nursery and it's just
me as the caretaker also full time job and two
children and everything. But but right now I'm I'm just
really hit by the how fast things are growing. You know,
my snake being is because.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
We've had consistent rain. It's been high, but with lower
night temperatures it's been yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah. So just getting those weeds out before they flower
super important. Staying on top of things that are growing
super fast, and you know, the things that will become
a problem in a month, now knock them back. I
like the stirrup po I have a colinear hoe which
is kind of similar, which is good for knocking down

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the smaller weeds. And I was a Peace Corps volunteer
in Paraguay. The machete is the Paraguay and Army knife
of the country.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
And the mother with two small children, you know, and
you're out there kind of.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Make fun of me, but I have a deep love
for a machete. And I before I left, I walked
around and you know, where the Canada golden rod was
coming up, where the rag weed was coming up. I
didn't have time to pull it, but I just took
this long handled machete that it goes It's right down
to ground level if I'm holding it at waste level,
and just if it's sharp.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
You just do a quick little slash and.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Burn and that knocks it back. And you know, if
that's all you have time to do, that really it
does a lot then.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah. Usually by this time of year, our turf is
just dormant. Yeah, you know, and I like it that way.
I don't want to keep watering my turf now, so
let it go brown and dormant and just not worry
about it for a little while. But it's been it's
been pretty consistent with rain. And I was reminded the
last few times that I've mowed it's the importance of

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sharpening your blade. Yes, it's getting to wear. You know.
If I make a curve, half of it's been cut
and the other half is still very tall, and that's frustrating.
You're like, I thought I hit that spot, you know,
because I'm stupid, I forget what's happening and why is it?
I was just there.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
I thought I was.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
I thought I was. I thought I was doing a
great job. But I'm not. And it's not my fault.
What is my fault because they haven't sharpened my blade.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
But sharp tools always.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Always, and ironically they're always safer too, Yeah, for sure,
working less hard with them less fatigue. Yeah, they're doing the.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Job with the machete. Like people joke it's crazy dangerous.
But if you have a really short machete, you do
not need much force. It's really just kind of like
light easy. You use the motion of the blade. And
I actually this is going to sound crazy. I think
it's a decent tool for older people that don't want
to bend down. If you get a machete that sized

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to your height. I'm lucky in this because I'm shorter,
so I'm closer to the ground. I don't need a
crazy long machete. You know, it works if you don't
have to use a lot of muscle.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
And you know, that's the thing with every great tool,
and a great reminder that when when you're using a tool,
let the tool do the work.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Let the tool.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
You're chainsawing a branch, you know, in psychic motion you
can push and push and push. It doesn't work any
better than if you just let the chainsaw make the cut.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Right, along with that, I have another one where to
go wrong? Mouse? Oh, a job that we shouldn't be
doing right now. So a job we should have done
a few weeks ago maybe and should not do anymore
this summer, and that is fertilizing most things anyway. You
might want to still continue fertilizing containers, maybe some vegetables

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and things like that, but anything perennial or especially woody
plants not a great idea because you're going to do
what You're going to push new growth growth and go
into fall or winter with that unhardened off tissue and
it could be damaged or severely damaged. So you don't
want to be throwing a bunch of fertilizer out there.

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And I want to be very careful about what you do for.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Living and especially if we get our typical late season droughts,
if you're pushing a whole lot of growth, that's just
making it harder for the plant to sustain all of
that growth with the roots that it has, So they
want to kind of slow down when things get hot
and dry, and you don't want to override that by

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just a bunch of fertilizer on them.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Definitely, jim one more and then we'll move on.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Well, I'm gonna kind of steal one that we talked
about during the break. It's time to start ordering bulbs.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yeah, yeah, time came up on as quick as it
always does.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Always does. Yeah, so this is a perfect time to
get those bulb catalogs out and start dreaming for February,
March and April.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
And if you can remember where they are, it's a
good time to go back and dig them up and them.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
You know what I'm gonna do next year?

Speaker 1 (25:31):
I always say this, I am going to do this.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
I'm going to order some marking flags and I'm going
to write on that flag what it is for the
ones that I need to move and just stick in
the middle of my clump of bulbs next year.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Color colored golf tees are really great for that. You
could put the green in good idea, I like, yeah,
you know you can't, and you can't. I don't like
a flag because it shows too much or whatever.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
But it's going to get a green flag and write
a little name on it.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
We were looking at some flags in the meadow at
the off garden and and they were there to mark
some thing that was going to be done, and I
was I was joking that, look how how they precisely
placed the flags that add just a perfect color in
each spot. Right. So but anyway, yeah, if you can,

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you know, mark them down and and you know, I
always mean to do it, but like when those daffodils
are there, take a picture, make a reminder, put it
on the calendar to go and and dig those up
and move them around.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
I sketched my garden out on an iPad, so I
try to mark it on my iPad so I can
at least come back. And they're not there. Okay, they're
kind of in this area. So actually you have one more.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
No not, You're good.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, I'm going to yeah, all.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Right, we'll go ahead and take a break, and uh,
when we come back, we're going to talk about a
student of yours, Jim, and a friend of yours Sarah Sarah.
That's right, yeah, Sarah, and somebody I'm really fond of
and have done an interview for Horticulture Magazine. Will do

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that when we get back in just a minute. Number
is eight hundred and eighty two three eighty two fifty five.
I'm here with Sarah Geiger, beIN landscape designer with Wimberg Landscaping,
and Jim Hansel with Great Oaks and an adjunct professor
of horticulture at the University of Cincinnati. And as such,
I thought I saw somebody stole my idea. So Trinity

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Toby is a friend of all overs, a student of yours,
and just a really impressive young lady who got her
degree in horticulture, but more importantly with the help of
you and Christone and other people in town. And she's

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not afraid to ask for help. She she's out there
pushing her her future and she has got She got
a uh an internship at Chiniclear, which is one of
the greatest gardens in the country last summer, I believe, yes,
last summer. Yeah. And then she came back worked at
Spring Grove where you works. Eah uh for just this

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last yeah, good for her. She needed yeah, she needed
one more class actually and uh and then she got
a very prestigious internship at what is a great dick
Stray Dickster in England. But anyway, I got the chance
to interview her for my Horticulture magazine column last summer,
and I think that was printed in Winter or Spring

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in the spring issue. But another publication picked it up.
It doesn't say which one is. I'd like to give
credit to the publication, but anyway, Oh, it was Grower.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Greenhouse Grow Greenhouse Grow.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
So they talked about her you know, advancement through all
these internships. She's going to have a great career. I mean,
that resume is my goodness.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
And for someone that young too, yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
So what was she like as a student, So her
story is kind of interesting. I remember she took a
class a couple of years ago, and I think maybe
three or four weeks in the class, she's like, I don't.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Think this is for me, that's right. I remember this story.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
I said, I said, well, what do you mean this
isn't for you? And she said, well, yeah, you guys
are always talking Latin names and all this stuff that
I have no clue about. And I just told her,
I said, look, give me, give it three more weeks,
three more weeks. And during that three weeks, one of
those classes we actually went to a garden. So I

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got her out in the garden and then she's like, well,
this is really cool. I said, well, why don't you
come back Saturday because I'm going to be working in
the garden. And I said, you know, you can get
some get some hands on. You know, horticulture's hands on.
It's not a I mean, you can academically study horticulture

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and that works. But I think the miracle happened. I
divided some plants in my garden and game tour, we
gave her some other plants from other gardens. She took
them home. Thinks she's from their Columbus area, and she
planted with their mom's garden.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
And that was it.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Once you touch the plant, once you get in the ground,
and once you nurture it and care for it, you're hooked.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
The bug bites. Yeah, and off off she went. And
and it's just uh, not only in this world, in
the green industry world and gardening, uh, but everywhere. It's
so important for young people to understand you don't be
afraid to go to older people, to the professionals, and

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and talk to them and ask their advice and and
ask what opportunities are out there, and uh, you know
you could the difference between the students, the young people
who are willing to do that and the ones who
don't do that is dramatic, very very dramatic.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
I think those relationships are really critical to our field
uniquely because horticulture, gardening it's so much experience based. So
the older you are as a gardener, you just have
more reps you have more seasons, you have more plants
that you've grown and killed, and you know figured out

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how to grow them.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
You know, you're compiling this body of knowledge, and you
know you're like, I'm I've gardened forty years. I'm still
getting better, you know, and you want to share that knowledge.
So when somebody younger or newer comes to you and says, hey,
what's going on here? I know myself and a lot

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of other people, most other gardeners and horticultures are more
than happy to jump in.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
They are. Yeah, And I really think that's that is
the difference between people who you know, really advance in
this field. You have to find the mentors. And if
you're not a student, you don't have to go to
school for horticulture. I didn't go to school for horticulture
until after I had many years of experience in the field.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
And like five or six other degrees.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Yeah, I have other degrees, but yeah, what I didn't
fully commit to horticulture until I was in my thirties.
I think, you know, I'm second career. But if I
had connected with those people earlier on, you know, I
it would have made a big difference.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
I think, yeah, we do have a caller. I think
I might know who this is, Karen and Anderson Township.
Hopefully we can squeeze in and answer to Karen's question.
What you've got Karen.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Hi, Scott Hi, good, good show so far this morning.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Well, thank you.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
It's all Jim and Sarah Hi, Sarah.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Hi, Karen, Hey, Karen.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
We have I have been new spot for some shrubs
in the shade of that big beach tree and not
frontyard and they get sun til about noon and then
it's shade period, and I need some evergreen shrubs to

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put there.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Really have just a couple of minutes here, but I
my first impulse is, uh, maybe dire villa. You know,
it's a tough, scrappy plant. I don't know how evergreen,
not evergreen. No, I don't know of any evergreen options
except you know, boxwoods, and I just can't recommend them.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
You know, I'll be honest, Karen. In our particular region
evergreen and deep shade, dry shade. It's it's a limited palette.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
We were one zone further self.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yes, yes, so the most bulletproof options are going to be,
uh user, boxwoods, boxwoods. You have to treat now that
we have the moth.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
But ever low.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
You that's a that's a been a good doer. Okay, okay,
stays low, have pruned it.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
I know that. I know Karen and she's got deer galory. Yeah,
mark that one off the list. Right.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
They might not kill it, but they'll prune it for you.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
I'm trying to think maybe maybe, yeah, going off the
wall a little bit, maybe hadconic clo of grass, which
isn't evergreen, but it's it maintains its pretty look and
it's okay one for dry shade, So that might be
an option.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah, I haven't seen.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
It's called Japanese forest grass.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Japanese forest grass to a medium.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Some of the epi mediums.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
They're lower but low. Some are taller.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Yeah, and they can take the root competition that your
beach will will give. Yeah. You know, I I haven't
seen your site, Karen, but a beach tree is a
beautiful thing. The trunk is a beautiful thing, and you know,
maybe just stick with those low perennials that can handle that.

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It's so challenging under you know, those big hardwood.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Trees, especially beach them and the beaches in Maples. Yeah,
they have this thick surface roots and just makes it
so hard.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
And you see them in the wild and there's really
not a lot growing under the mature ones, if anything,
herbaceous plan.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
I think the only thing I've seen really grow well
underneath is a bulb called Silla siberica, which doesn't really
well under those, but it's just an ephemeral bulb that
it comes out and it goes away. So a tough, tough,
tough site, but the beach is worth having. When we
come back, boy, we're gonna have some fun. Now, Joe

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Box joining us. We'll talk about what's happening out with
past diseases or whatever Joe wants to talk about, right,
so we'll enjoy that. Stay with us. You're listening to
That's Garden with Scott Burline