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Speaker 1 (00:03):
We are taking calls and.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
If you have a question on annuals or perennials, I
have exactly the right person for you to call and
ask your questions.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Kira back here is with me. Here. She is my
cohort at.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
The Cincinni Potanical Garden and Zoo, one of the best
horticultures I know, and she's now primarily running our plant
trialing program for annuals, which is really substantial.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Kiera, can you tell people about this a little bit?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, Good morning, Scott. So we this year are growing
on right now, over April and March, we've been growing
on our little babies that come in as little plugs.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Little pencil size, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
And there's about sixty thousand plants this year sixteen yeah,
and about over nine hundred varieties.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Good lord.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You've been just adding the number of varieties of incremental
not incremental, exponentially exponentially over the last few years, and
a lot of that is thanks to partners like Euston
for EHR I guess it's called now. We've been really
supportive and a lot of growers and others have been
really helping us along and supporting the trialing program.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
It's become a very popular program and it's largely donated program,
and so I think it's just very popular and everybody
wants to get their things in their off.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
And almost ninety i would say ninety percent of it
is in garden settings in the ground, So a really
great way to see what the plants look like in
a garden, yes, and where they grow well, where we
cite them and they're all labeled. Yes, people can come
and make decisions and you see people all the time
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taking pictures of the label.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Oh yeah, they take pictures and then they write their
lists and then they go back to the garden centers,
hopefully their local garden centers and ask for those plants, right, the.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Locals.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, and you know they've also done their selection based
on what they know grows well here. So yes, it's
a when you do that, you're seeing, you know, the
best of the best. You see what they have to offer,
what they're recommending, and then you can find the ones
that we're recommending and that you really know.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yes that.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
In fact, we have a big program in August where
all the industry people, all the folks get to come
see how their plants have done in the garden all summer,
including the local garden centers that get to see what
they'd like to carry next year.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah. And for that, we have been seeing breeders and growers.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
And you know, professionals from all over the country come in, Yes, California, everywhere, everywhere. Yeah,
So they're paying big bucks to get on a place,
take a couple of days to fly here, hang out
look at these plants. It's worth it to them because
it's you know, it's a trialing program that that's really representative.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Right of what these plants look like in the garden.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Yeah, and over the summer will evaluate all these plants.
We have two categories. We have our Zoo's Best and
we have our Hall of Fame. And the Hall of
Fame are evaluated yearly, but they're they're consistently doing well
for three years or more.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Some of them we've had for over ten years.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, among the best of the best, yes. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
And then our newer plants that we evaluate and we
evaluate them for vigor and health and biggest bang for
your buck.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Are they gorgeous in color?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
And also inviting wildlife is a plus for us.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
A lot of these annuals are really good for pollinators. Yes,
you know, an easy way to get something in bloom
that you probably planet Mother's Day weekend, right, and it'll lasts,
you know, continuously through at least Halloween and maybe longer.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yes, yeah, In fact, salvias are one of my favorites.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
And probably the best pollinat one of the very best
pollinator plants.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yes they are. Yeah. The hummingbirds and the bees and
everything come into those so and even sometimes the birds
get some seed off of some of them.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So I know you've got you know, I work with you,
and I know the people that work with you, Lynn
and Jonie and Amanda and others lile who who do
such a good job getting these plants in what is
sixty thousand of them and nine hundred varieties, getting them in,
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potting them up, keeping them growing nicely in the greenhouse,
keeping them segregated. So you know that which variety of
the nine hundred you've got? And uh, and then the
whole process right now of bringing them to the zoo.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I think you're starting to Monday, Yes, we are starting Monday.
The ten day looks good. You know, it's time to go,
It's go.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Time, yes, yes, yeah, we have a lot to bring
in and they come from several locations, right, they're not
all current at.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
The zoo between ten and fifteen miles away, so there's
a lot of truck driving going on there is.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And yeah, and then you have to bring them back
and as you said, keep them organized because we need
to be able to I think the big thing is
we need to be able to label them and track
them so that we can report back to the providers
in the fall. So and also label them for the
public and everybody that wants to come see them.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
And people might think that these beds substantial beds of
annuals that the design has worked on all winter and
laid at you know that everything is picture perfect, good
by by like by numbers, and that just isn't the case.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I gotta say you do.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
A masterful job of bringing in the annuals that look best,
that are the ones that are like just need to
be planted. Now they're starting to stretch. You know, if
they're in the greenhouse ating longer, they just lose it.
So getting those plants to the zoo, getting them to
the garden beds, and then figuring out okay, citing them
correctly for water and for light matching up the colors. Yeah,
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so they all look good together and that you basically
do all that on the fly and.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
It mostly Ye, it's gotten so big now that I
really do kind of start with like those larger beds
and try to at least work out colors and textures
and just like, yeah, what goes well in those beds?
Because every bed has different cultural conditions, right, So I
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do start with some of those bigger ones, and then
from there we just kind of yeah, it's more on
the fly.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, we've got old beds with picture perfect soil, yes,
absolutely great soil, and then newer beds that yeah, we've
amended and we've worked with, but there.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Are still new beds. Yeah. Yeah, and that's part of
the equation.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
You know, how good is irrigation that the particular bed
or not, you know, it's not good.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Sometimes they need a little reconditioning too sometimes yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, and we you know, have to replacings sometimes too.
They just fail for whatever reason. Yeah, we've got plants
of reserve. They come out, yes.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah, I mean not every plant is perfect, and that's
why it's a plant trial exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I'll tell you what, Kira, We're going to take a
break and when we come back, we'll start talking about
some of these great plants for people to use. You're
listening to That's Garden with Scott Berline. We'll be back
in just a Scott Berline and Cure back one of
my favorite friends from the zoo and just in general too,
not just at this zoo, but just a lovely person
to work with. I call you my work wife. I
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know it's a term. I don't fully understand it, but
you feel like that to me. So so let's get
down to the basis of the whole reason right now
what everybody's excited about. Uh, what are some of the
best plants for people to use? Best annuals for people
to use in their gardens this year? Now, this data
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that you're going to present is what did really well
last year.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Actually, our Zoo's best list, which is located on our
website at sinca zoo dot org. Recommended plants, plant and then.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
You go to the cab and then recommended plants and
the annuals. Yes, about five steps. Yeah, for too many
this should be on the front age.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
But we have a list of plants that actually is
accumulating a little bit, but every year in April will
add last year's good plants. And uh, let's see, I
think some of the easiest things to grow. We have
a very humid and kind of strange weather here clay soil,
So some of the easiest things to grow are your colius,
(09:15):
your sweet potato, your begonia. And they'll take both sun
and shade most of the time sun patients and patients.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
People think is totally a shade plant. But a lot
of these new selections are really good in full sun.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
That's right. Over the years they've bred them to be.
They'll do well in both. And there are a few.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Varieties left that are still shade, but they'll probably still
even do well in a like a part sun situation. Yeah,
and they just have I love designing with them because
they have so many colors in them and you can
pull them out with other like solid colors.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, match flower from another plant up.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Some of these are so bright. They're literally fifty mile
hour plants. You see them from a mile away. Uh,
And they just add so much color.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
To a garden, right, And a lot of the new
ones they're coming out with just different textures now, different shapes,
of leaves too and different.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
There's all kinds of heights.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
What are some of your favorites, Oh, gosh.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
The calise, Yeah, there are so many. I know, let's see, uh,
I know. I like color Blaze, Golden Dreams that's a
new one. And Royal Pineapple Brandy that's really nice.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
All those liquorre Liquor that that series, they're all good.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
The main streets are very good. The main street Colius.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
There's one called Albreto that's a that's a newer one,
and I really love that one a lot. But there
are so it's hard to choose on those colis because
there's a lot. There's the Talavera's there, Oh Talavera. The
it's the moon. It's it's got a like a little
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flecking of yellow on it with like a darker background.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
With a lot of groups of annuals. The ones that
are bad are greatly outnumbered, yes by the ones that
almost notes. So you base it on your on your
what you like for colors. Just make sure you match
it up with the amount of sun it can take.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yes, yes, and then I and they're coming out, so
they're not just the wax pagonias. Which are like almost
like they're they're hard to fail.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Extremely hard to fail.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And people look at them like, oh, begonias because they've
been so common for so long.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
But the great.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Plants, Yeah, and they're coming out with a lot more
of the other species that are starting to be improved
as well that used to be easily rot and now
they're not as bad anymore. They're they're a lot heartier
than they used to be. But you know, there's and
they're coming out with these beautiful dark uh foliage against
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bright color flowers.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
So what are some of those you've got?
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Let me, I'm got my little list here, my handy list,
so I don't blank out on names because there's so
right exactly so we have this year, we have different
ones that are you know, I'm going to look at
this other list they have the well, some of our
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wax begins are like the vikings a.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Dragon wing are one of my favorites, but then.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
The and thee Yeah, it's huge.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
But the NonStop joys are very nice.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
They want to be in shade though, that's sure, you
want to put in shade.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
What's the water? What are they like for water?
Speaker 4 (13:11):
I would not water them too much. I'd say like
a like a medium to lower but shade.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, they're tough to grow in the green hole. See,
you can almost not keep them dry enough.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yeah, well they're getting better. And yeah, some of these
are just getting so much better. There's one called there's
the b K collection that has like they're called macaras
and macaros, and.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
They're really interesting.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
They have a very wide waxy leaf but not like
a wax but going you more like a different shape.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
And those are really nice in the garden too.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
And there's also another like the florentios or another one
that are doing really well in the garden too. That's
kind of more like the non stops. They have leaves
like that.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Okay, okay, what are some other plants that you really like?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Well, I mentioned the salvia as they come in all
different Yeah, I just.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Tell people all the blues. Yeah, all the blue ones
are good.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
They grow well, they're beautiful, and they attract so many pollinators. Yes,
but there's some other colors took. Some of the pink
ones do quite well.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Yeah. There are the what I call the hummingbirds sage.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It's a lot more.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Kind of loose and kind of long and beautiful with
those tubular flowers. They all kind of are tubular, but
these are even more tubular.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
The bees like to steal from.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
The bottom to get the nectar, but the hummingbirds go
in in straight in, and then they come in some
of the pink colors like the rock and pink and
things like that. And then uh, there's also Mealy sage,
which is the Salvia farinacea. Okay, there's miss uh the misted.
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Hold on, I'm gonna again go to my hand deep page,
the misty.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
There's news so.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Much it's easier to remember all the time.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Until it became sixty thousand.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
There's a thousand new ones every year.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Yeah, so the Mealy stage is the Mystic Spires is
one of our favorites.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, maybe one of our pop definitely part of the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Yeah, and then come just covered in bees and it's
just gorgeous. And then but now they're coming out with
some news we are going to try this year called
Mystical White and Blue and Misty. So it'd be fun
to see how those do, because I think they came
from Mystical Spires.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
We laugh about how many new varieties come out every
year and how hard it is to track. But the
breeders are working really hard on on just making better plants,
and sometimes it's it's for vigor for disease or past resistance,
and a lot of times now they're actually breeding four pollinators, which.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Is really cool.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yes, yeah, which is what we love.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Absolutely, we need to bring those pollinators into our urban
gardens because we become more urban and every day it
seems like.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, and in the rural rural areas are getting more
more used for farming. Yeah. So the space that we
can devote to gardens and really good uh pollinaer plants
can make a real difference.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Oh yeah, and you know it keeps our cities cooler
and all that.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
So it's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Well, what we got a minute here? What uh what
what other plant does?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Like?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
What are how what about the lantanas? Are they doing?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Oh, they're getting better.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Sometimes we get some that don't want to bloom all summer.
But then we'll.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
We'll choose out the ones that bloom all summer and
put those on an.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
They're really good one for pollinators.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, So when we get back, we'll talk about some
of the varieties that we really like for Lantana and
some more other plants as well. You are welcome to
call also eight hundred eight two three eighty two fifty five.
We'll be glad to talk about annuals or perennials with you.
You're listening to Let's Garden with Scott Berline. Will be
right back here with Kira back from the Cincinna Potanical
Garden and Zoo, and we're talking the best annuals for
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you to use in your gardens this year and timely
right it's Mother's Day weekend, tim Yeah, yeah, by your
mother some flowers. So we were talking about Lantana's one
of the best pollinier plants, great for hot and dry.
What are some of the ones that performed best for us?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
So we've got several that are looking great. I think
we have a representative of each on our list. But
the luscious Citrus blend has made the list. We had
a new one last year called Passion Fruit that was
just absolutely covered all summer. Yeah, so that made the
list this year. The Luckies are always good. They're a
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long they're.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
A long ray. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, they've been around for a while. Yeah, but they've
been for a while because.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
They're so good.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And then the shamrocks are a newer variety.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
That have improved each year. I think the blooming's gotten better.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Every year, and that has more of a tighter form.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
To it, Yeah, a little bit more compact, not too compact.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I feel like the luscies are a little more compact
than the shamrocks. And then the sun Dance are a
good one as well.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
It's kind of hard to go wrong with Lantana's too,
though some definitely are better for flower power than others.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Just yes, yeah, sometimes they just bloom really well at
the end of the year or the beginning of the year,
and then the middle gets a.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Little kind of tired flag in the middle.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, let's move on to a plant that was an
old fashioned one that came back in a big way. Kalladiums,
partly because they've been bred for more sun tolerance. In fact,
some are really fine in full sun.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yes we have. We've been trialing claims for probably.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Like five years now, I believe, and they have been
red for more sun. Now, I would say, when they're
not for hot blasted, dry.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Sun, they like water.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah, they like water, and they like some afternoon shade.
So when they say sun, you can put them in
sun as well as they're not going to be in like.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Full day after lis Arizona sun.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Right, yeah, exactly. And then there are still some that
like a little more shade.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
I'm going to get my list to the koladiums here,
and then we have some of my favorites.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Actually is White Wonder.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
That's a great one.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
And it's been doing well for many years.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, beautiful plant.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah, and Explosion. I love explosion.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
These are all very they're foliage plants. I don't think
to get a bloom.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
No, they don't. Well, they get a kind of like an.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Arrow arrow okay, yeah, but the flower or the foliage
color is all over the place with reds, all kinds
of different.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Reds often do a little better in the sun, especially
if they have a s shinier leaf.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
And they are just a great pop of color in
the shade.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
That is hard to You need those brighteners for your shade,
to brighten up your shade.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
And the other neat thing about these is that you
know they're always I think the kalladium growers like to
be a little conservative about this, but I've tested them
to really go into almost frosts, some of the rioting okay, yeah,
well even go long into not all the way into frost.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
But close to it. But they're usually you should bring
them in at like fifty degrees.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
You can overwinter these things, yeah, quite easily, right, fairly
easily and have them again for next year.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
What is it the Heart to Heart series?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah, Heart to Heart series.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yeah, but Classic Kalladiums also has some of their own. Yeah,
both the Heart to Heart and the Classic kaladium varieties.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
There. Classic Kalladiums is like the grower grower.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I believe the Heart to Hearts are the ones that
winter winter selected.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Out of that. Yes, those plants, yes, so.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
There, Yeah, those are pretty good, pretty down the line.
They've all performed really well.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yes, it's hard to go wrong I believe with those.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
What was the diplodinas that's a fairly new plant for us,
and what yeah, the show show horse that is.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
So it's kind of funny because diplodin we don't even
know what to call them anymore. So Diplodinias is a
hybrid of a manda villa, I guess you'd say.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
And there's the tip.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
The typical one is a vining plants, but now they're
coming off out with all these kind of shorter, shrubbier
type and.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
They work really well in containers as.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Your thriller, yeah, but also in the beds yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
And so they become a beautiful groundcover with such a
beautiful coverage of color in the sun.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
The shiny foliage and the big flower. It really gives
you a tropical look, yes, yeah, which is really nice,
especially around swimming pools.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Oh yeah, there's hot, dry areas especially there are a
lot of sun could.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Turn at least part of your garden into uh, make
you feel like you're staying at a resort in some tropical.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, exactly. I love that. Yeah, and adds buchanas in
there and.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
You're yeah, yeah, you're rocking.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
But we have, like the fired Up series has been
really nice.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
We're we're gonna have a couple new ones this year
called fired Up Coral and fired Up Magic Pink.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
And those are kind of.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Neat because they're very upright and about I don't know,
two feet at the most, but really interesting because they're
very like upright. You have to kind of plant them
close together because they're very upper. But then there's also
these bushier types that are called like there's a Medinia
and they come in all different colors from red to
white to pink. Yeah, but the fired ups are neat
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because they come in colors like coral and orange and
very different, very different colors.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
So what do they need as far as water is concerned.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
I believe they'll take it a little dryer. You don't
want them to have wet feet at all. They but
anywhere from medium to dry?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah? What else have you got on your list?
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Here?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
And a reminder too that this all can be found.
All this information can be found at since an z
dot org. Go to gardens, go to plants, and then
you'll look for the annual.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yes our Zoo's best Yes.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
And oh I'd like to mention too, we have a
new document on there for container recipes. There you go, Yeah,
if you can only do containers.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Up there and you don't know how to design them,
this will give you just a fool proof yeah container.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Yeah, and you'll and you'll yeah, you'll you'll be successful
that way.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So we want, yes, exact, that's all.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
We want success for all all the people that want
to work with plants, and then then they become plant
geeks like us.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, become the coolest people ever.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
So, uh, let's see we have I'd like to mention
our Vinka. They're they've become easier. They used to be
hard to grow because I feel like they'd rot out easily,
but now they've become really hearty, great plants. The Valiant
series is wonderful.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
It's been a long time.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Wow, they're coming out with these wild colors, like if
the Blockbuster series and the Nirvana series have these wild colors,
like in blues and used to be Venca were only
like pinks and whites and reds. I think now they're
like blues and corals and watermelon and all these wild colors.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
What witchcraft it allows that? Or is it alchemy or
what these breeders are into what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah, I'm not really sure on that one. But they're beautiful.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, they sure are, and they grow well. They love
it hot and dry.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Yes, yeah, hot and dry.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
In fact, if you put them out too early, you'll
see them set back up it.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Correct ye, hold off for a little bit.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
But I would say that these new varieties kind of
make it through that period.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
If you get them out a little too early, that's great.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
News because yeah, that is such a versatile plant for
people to use it.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Oh yeah, and I've seen the hummingbird moths on those.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Oh yeah, that's great.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
And then we're trying a few new things this year.
We're going to try a kangaroo's paul, which should be interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I've seen that. It's a botanical garden out west, I think,
and I cannot remember what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, it's really interesting.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
It can be used as a cup flower tall and
they have these little fuzzy kind of kangaroo paul looking flowers. Yeah,
but they really look fun. And sometimes you just got
to try some new things.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Whether yeah, yeah, absolutely, We'll just have.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
To see on those. They probably like a hot, dry situations.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
You know, in the zoo with a you know a
million one point nine million million people, mostly three year olds,
you know, anything that's new and different and cool that
the kids will like as a bonus exactly.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yeah. And then we're gonna try some new mangavi this year.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I saw those.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I was sorely tempted to take a couple those are
those are the work of hands, hands and up And
what is that Walter's garden And it's crossed between the
Manfreda and a Govi's.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yes, and the.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Wide range of coolness on these plants is just amazing.
They look like a Govi's basically big succulent plants. Great
for containers.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
They have a cool flower and cool yeah right about
now starting yeah fo yeah, And we're going to try
some of those. We've mostly done them in containers. They
are semi hardy to like forty, maybe a little lower
than forty, okay, so you could put them in a
garage over winter. But we're gonna try some of those
in the ground this year and see how they do
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in a garden.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Other you know, people are really excited about those, and
we're a little late to the party honestly, with with.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
With trying in the ground in the.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Ground, but I think people are going to really like those.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
I was always worried that they would want a hot,
dry situation and we're mostly irrigated.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, but I was told that they don't mind the irrigation.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
We'll see what happened.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and let's see. I think I had
another one. I think we we we already mentioned the
diplodenias and the Vinkas. I think that's about it.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Let's go ahead and take a break and uh, when
we come back, we'll finish out the last segment with
some more annuals and also we'll talk about perennials a
little bit. Yeah, what the best ones are? You're listening
to Let's Guarden with Scott Berlin. We'll be back in
just this hour with Kira back. We're talking about the
best annuals and perennials from our zoo trials, the Cincinnati
Zoo and Botanical Garden. When we come back at the
(27:58):
top of the hour, we'll be joined by doctor Alan Armitage,
so one of the all time h top experts on
annuals and perennials.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
And not to be fair.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
To be fair, we're going to have all woodies next week.
We'll cover trees and shrubs next weekend, so stay you know,
you'll want to stay tuned for that too. But what
other annuals that we not talked about, and then we
will slide over to your favorite perennials.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Let's see, let's talk a little bit about curricuma. That's
a new one that we've kind of started. We started
out again in a container and did beautifully. It will
take a little it'll take some sun, but it also
take a little bit part shade. And we have a
bunch of new ones this year that are coming and
we've started putting them in beds last year and they
(28:46):
did really nicely. Okay, so we're going to try them
as well. What was that name again, Curcuma. It's a
it's a type of ginger in the.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Ginger family or turmeric family, so that kind of rooted.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
There is a particular one that is tumoric that you
can eat, but these are not the edible type.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, so don't don't eat any plant unless you're absolutely
sure and actually watch someone else.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Do it first, and if they keel over, that's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
And then, uh, dahlias are not everybody loves dahlias, but
they're not a particularly great plant for our area.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
But we do have the mystic dahlias.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
That darker foliage I'm finding in general is something to
look for when you're looking for a dahlia, and the
Mystics have those beautiful dark foliage with the bright flowers.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, they are.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
That's a great longtime series. Yes, Mystic Illusion is one
of our.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Yeah, and then but we do have a couple new
ones this year that had a dark foliage that I thought, well,
why don't we try it? And they're called calf and
the cafe Ola is one of them.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I just love the name.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, so I thought, well, what the heck?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
And then there was another one that I'm going to
try in a cut flower situation.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
It's real tall, okay, so yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Yeah, So there's lots of great annuals to try on
this Zoo's Best list, and then keep looking out for
our labels this year in the park and see what
you can find.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
See them, and if you can't come to the zoo,
definitely go to our website garden since a zoo dot org,
go to Gardens and Plants, and then to.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
The annuals dropped down.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, also good information there on trees and shrubs, perennials,
a lot of different things. Speaking of perennials, what are
some of your favorites that people have got to go
out and buy this year?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Oh okay, so I'm going to come from my plant
geek a little bit from this one.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
But I love perennials.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
I love gardens that mix the perennials and the annuals
and the.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Trees and shrubs.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
That's the best way to do it, and I tend
to love I studied a lot about like dry and
just shade type plants because I want my trees in
my garden too, so uh, I'll start with those.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
So toad lily or triceurtis is one of my absolute favorites.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Blue Wonder and Mayazaki are really good varieties.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
I feel.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
I love them because they look like orchids and they
just covered in the fall, which is a time where
everything else is starting to go down, so they're they're
a beautiful.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
One for spring.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Pulmon area, the Trevy Fountains, I've really.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Come to appreciate those plants over the last five or
six years.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yeah, I mean they have good foliage, all nice ornamental
foliage all year, but also or not all year, but
into to fall and then but they have a beautiful
long bloom the Trevy Fountains very early early long bloom
in the spring start out.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
And turn to ye kind of like a or is
it pink to blue?
Speaker 4 (31:58):
It's like different shades of blue with purples in there. Yeah,
a little bit of pink but not much, okay. And
then also it likes to seed, but not in an
aggressive way, which is sot'll fill in like a groundcover
in your garden, which is really nice Iris cristata.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
That's great for dry.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
That's our wood native iris. So you take some shade. Yeah,
it blooms better when it gets more sun. Yeah, it
spreads really kind of nicely.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yes, a very nice ground No.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Taller than what would you say, eight inches maybe eight inches? Yeah,
somewhere in there. Yeah, big flowers for the size of
the planet.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Oh yeah, and if you love iris, that's a great
way to real easy way to grow one. Yeah, you know,
you don't have to divide it too often or anything
like that. Like Ularia is one of my favorite collect
I like to collect those those in Triceurtus. Britt Marie
Crawford is my favorite. But they're coming out with lots
of neat different types.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
These have a reputation for needing a lot of water,
and some do. Yeah, but what was the one we
had that did so well in dry shade.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
I feel like it's.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Britt Marie because I feel like that one does find
that to will is easily.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
But it was it bloomed way into fall and I'm
trying to remember the name.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
It was something about last dance maybe, oh last dance. Yeah,
that was a cool That's my other favorite.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
It's like a it's a groundcover size. It's not real
big like britt Marie. And yeah, bloom's very late into
the fall. Actually, I've seen it bloom in August and
all the way into like November.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Like it's it's different each year for something.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
How cold it.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, but we had a mild year a few years
ago and I think that was well. I was thinking
it would possibly bloom right up till Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, they're they're so cool, they are. And
then some sun varieties. My favorite. We've got little blue
stem of course.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Little and what's the one that we're all enamored with?
Oh the hahaka, Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Hah tanka and then oh no, no standing ovations.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Standing ovation is noteworthy because it doesn't flop or not
anywhere near like some.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Of the others do.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Not at all.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
I mean even after snow in the winter and rain
and everything, it was standing straight up, which.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Was has a fuzzy stem and back lit. It is
nothing short of amazing. It is a cool plant. Yeah,
to put where you know it'll catch that afternoon or
evening light.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
They have so many colors in them.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Oh yeah, it's just amazing, like a grass an animal crass.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
There has much much color. And it's a.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Native if you like a native. And then flocks Gina
is that thing. That's a great summer flocks blooming.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Everyone should have that plant.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah, it could.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
And I feel like every picture you see what those
has tiger swalltails.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Tiger swallowtail or some other swallow tail on yeah, and
other pollinators as well.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah. Yeah, I've got one in my backyard.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Uh and just like you said, it's hard to get
a picture of it without a tiger swallowtail on it. Yeah,
we got a minute, Like I'm real, through the rest.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Of your favorite scutari and cana scoldcale and.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Helianthus gold lace.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Swamp sunflower, and then pair it with a really beautiful blue.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Aster Oh yeah, great to fall combination. Yeah yeah, these
are all great plants.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Again.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
The website is since a zoo dot org. Go to gardens,
go to plants or recommended plants, and then uh then
just look at all the information here.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
There's a lot of good stuff. Kierra, Thank you so
much for being here and it's a busy you're literally
going to work after this.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yes, it's a terribly busy time of year, but you're
information for everybody out there for plants to buy on
this weekend.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
It's just great.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
It's a pleasure.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Thanks for being here listening to Let's guard with Scott Berline.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Kira back here is with me. Here. She is my
cohort at.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
The Cincinni Potanical Garden and Zoo, one of the best
horticultures I know, and she's now primarily running our plant
trialing program for annuals, which is really substantial.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Kiera, can you tell people about this a little bit?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah, Good morning, Scott. So we this year are growing
on right now, over April and March, we've been growing
on our little babies that come in as little plugs.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Little pencil size, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
And there's about sixty thousand plants this year sixteen yeah,
and about over nine hundred varieties.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Good lord.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
You've been just adding the number of varieties of incremental
not incremental, exponentially exponentially over the last few years, and
a lot of that is thanks to partners like Euston
for EHR I guess it's called now. We've been really
supportive and a lot of growers and others have been
really helping us along and supporting the trialing program.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
It's become a very popular program and it's largely donated program,
and so I think it's just very popular and everybody
wants to get their things in their off.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
And almost ninety i would say ninety percent of it
is in garden settings in the ground, So a really
great way to see what the plants look like in
a garden, yes, and where they grow well, where we
cite them and they're all labeled. Yes, people can come
and make decisions and you see people all the time
(01:58):
taking pictures of the label.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Oh yeah, they take pictures and then they write their
lists and then they go back to the garden centers,
hopefully their local garden centers and ask for those plants, right, the.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Locals.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, and you know they've also done their selection based
on what they know grows well here. So yes, it's
a when you do that, you're seeing, you know, the
best of the best. You see what they have to offer,
what they're recommending, and then you can find the ones
that we're recommending and that you really know.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yes that.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
In fact, we have a big program in August where
all the industry people, all the folks get to come
see how their plants have done in the garden all summer,
including the local garden centers that get to see what
they'd like to carry next year.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah. And for that, we have been seeing breeders and growers.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
And you know, professionals from all over the country come in, Yes, California, everywhere, everywhere. Yeah,
So they're paying big bucks to get on a place,
take a couple of days to fly here, hang out
look at these plants. It's worth it to them because
it's you know, it's a trialing program that that's really representative.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Right of what these plants look like in the garden.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Yeah, and over the summer will evaluate all these plants.
We have two categories. We have our Zoo's Best and
we have our Hall of Fame. And the Hall of
Fame are evaluated yearly, but they're they're consistently doing well
for three years or more.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Some of them we've had for over ten years.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, among the best of the best, yes. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
And then our newer plants that we evaluate and we
evaluate them for vigor and health and biggest bang for
your buck.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Are they gorgeous in color?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
And also inviting wildlife is a plus for us.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
A lot of these annuals are really good for pollinators. Yes,
you know, an easy way to get something in bloom
that you probably planet Mother's Day weekend, right, and it'll lasts,
you know, continuously through at least Halloween and maybe longer.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yes, yeah, In fact, salvias are one of my favorites.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
And probably the best pollinat one of the very best
pollinator plants.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yes they are. Yeah. The hummingbirds and the bees and
everything come into those so and even sometimes the birds
get some seed off of some of them.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So I know you've got you know, I work with you,
and I know the people that work with you, Lynn
and Jonie and Amanda and others lile who who do
such a good job getting these plants in what is
sixty thousand of them and nine hundred varieties, getting them in,
(04:47):
potting them up, keeping them growing nicely in the greenhouse,
keeping them segregated. So you know that which variety of
the nine hundred you've got? And uh, and then the
whole process right now of bringing them to the zoo.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I think you're starting to Monday, Yes, we are starting Monday.
The ten day looks good. You know, it's time to go,
It's go.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Time, yes, yes, yeah, we have a lot to bring
in and they come from several locations, right, they're not
all current at.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
The zoo between ten and fifteen miles away, so there's
a lot of truck driving going on there is.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And yeah, and then you have to bring them back
and as you said, keep them organized because we need
to be able to I think the big thing is
we need to be able to label them and track
them so that we can report back to the providers
in the fall. So and also label them for the
public and everybody that wants to come see them.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
And people might think that these beds substantial beds of
annuals that the design has worked on all winter and
laid at you know that everything is picture perfect, good
by by like by numbers, and that just isn't the case.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I gotta say you do.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
A masterful job of bringing in the annuals that look best,
that are the ones that are like just need to
be planted. Now they're starting to stretch. You know, if
they're in the greenhouse ating longer, they just lose it.
So getting those plants to the zoo, getting them to
the garden beds, and then figuring out okay, citing them
correctly for water and for light matching up the colors. Yeah,
(06:30):
so they all look good together and that you basically
do all that on the fly and.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
It mostly Ye, it's gotten so big now that I
really do kind of start with like those larger beds
and try to at least work out colors and textures
and just like, yeah, what goes well in those beds?
Because every bed has different cultural conditions, right, So I
(06:58):
do start with some of those bigger ones, and then
from there we just kind of yeah, it's more on
the fly.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, we've got old beds with picture perfect soil, yes,
absolutely great soil, and then newer beds that yeah, we've
amended and we've worked with, but there.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Are still new beds. Yeah. Yeah, and that's part of
the equation.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
You know, how good is irrigation that the particular bed
or not, you know, it's not good.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
Sometimes they need a little reconditioning too sometimes yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah, and we you know, have to replacings sometimes too.
They just fail for whatever reason. Yeah, we've got plants
of reserve. They come out, yes.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Yeah, I mean not every plant is perfect, and that's
why it's a plant trial exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
I'll tell you what, Kira, We're going to take a
break and when we come back, we'll start talking about
some of these great plants for people to use. You're
listening to That's Garden with Scott Berline. We'll be back
in just a Scott Berline and Cure back one of
my favorite friends from the zoo and just in general too,
not just at this zoo, but just a lovely person
to work with. I call you my work wife. I
(08:08):
know it's a term. I don't fully understand it, but
you feel like that to me. So so let's get
down to the basis of the whole reason right now
what everybody's excited about. Uh, what are some of the
best plants for people to use? Best annuals for people
to use in their gardens this year? Now, this data
(08:28):
that you're going to present is what did really well
last year.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Actually, our Zoo's best list, which is located on our
website at sinca zoo dot org. Recommended plants, plant and then.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
You go to the cab and then recommended plants and
the annuals. Yes, about five steps. Yeah, for too many
this should be on the front age.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
But we have a list of plants that actually is
accumulating a little bit, but every year in April will
add last year's good plants. And uh, let's see, I
think some of the easiest things to grow. We have
a very humid and kind of strange weather here clay soil,
So some of the easiest things to grow are your colius,
(09:15):
your sweet potato, your begonia. And they'll take both sun
and shade most of the time sun patients and patients.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
People think is totally a shade plant. But a lot
of these new selections are really good in full sun.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
That's right. Over the years they've bred them to be.
They'll do well in both. And there are a few.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Varieties left that are still shade, but they'll probably still
even do well in a like a part sun situation. Yeah,
and they just have I love designing with them because
they have so many colors in them and you can
pull them out with other like solid colors.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, match flower from another plant up.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
You know.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Some of these are so bright. They're literally fifty mile
hour plants. You see them from a mile away. Uh,
And they just add so much color.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
To a garden, right, And a lot of the new
ones they're coming out with just different textures now, different shapes,
of leaves too and different.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
There's all kinds of heights.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
What are some of your favorites, Oh, gosh.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
The calise, Yeah, there are so many. I know, let's see, uh,
I know. I like color Blaze, Golden Dreams that's a
new one. And Royal Pineapple Brandy that's really nice.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
All those liquorre Liquor that that series, they're all good.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
The main streets are very good. The main street Colius.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
There's one called Albreto that's a that's a newer one,
and I really love that one a lot. But there
are so it's hard to choose on those colis because
there's a lot. There's the Talavera's there, Oh Talavera. The
it's the moon. It's it's got a like a little
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flecking of yellow on it with like a darker background.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
With a lot of groups of annuals. The ones that
are bad are greatly outnumbered, yes by the ones that
almost notes. So you base it on your on your
what you like for colors. Just make sure you match
it up with the amount of sun it can take.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yes, yes, and then I and they're coming out, so
they're not just the wax pagonias. Which are like almost
like they're they're hard to fail.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Extremely hard to fail.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And people look at them like, oh, begonias because they've
been so common for so long.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
But the great.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Plants, Yeah, and they're coming out with a lot more
of the other species that are starting to be improved
as well that used to be easily rot and now
they're not as bad anymore. They're they're a lot heartier
than they used to be. But you know, there's and
they're coming out with these beautiful dark uh foliage against
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bright color flowers.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
So what are some of those you've got?
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Let me, I'm got my little list here, my handy list,
so I don't blank out on names because there's so
right exactly so we have this year, we have different
ones that are you know, I'm going to look at
this other list they have the well, some of our
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wax begins are like the vikings a.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Dragon wing are one of my favorites, but then.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
The and thee Yeah, it's huge.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
But the NonStop joys are very nice.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
They want to be in shade though, that's sure, you
want to put in shade.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
What's the water? What are they like for water?
Speaker 4 (13:11):
I would not water them too much. I'd say like
a like a medium to lower but shade.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, they're tough to grow in the green hole. See,
you can almost not keep them dry enough.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yeah, well they're getting better. And yeah, some of these
are just getting so much better. There's one called there's
the b K collection that has like they're called macaras
and macaros, and.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
They're really interesting.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
They have a very wide waxy leaf but not like
a wax but going you more like a different shape.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
And those are really nice in the garden too.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
And there's also another like the florentios or another one
that are doing really well in the garden too. That's
kind of more like the non stops. They have leaves
like that.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Okay, okay, what are some other plants that you really like?
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Well, I mentioned the salvia as they come in all
different Yeah, I just.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Tell people all the blues. Yeah, all the blue ones
are good.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
They grow well, they're beautiful, and they attract so many pollinators. Yes,
but there's some other colors took. Some of the pink
ones do quite well.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Yeah. There are the what I call the hummingbirds sage.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It's a lot more.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Kind of loose and kind of long and beautiful with
those tubular flowers. They all kind of are tubular, but
these are even more tubular.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
The bees like to steal from.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
The bottom to get the nectar, but the hummingbirds go
in in straight in, and then they come in some
of the pink colors like the rock and pink and
things like that. And then uh, there's also Mealy sage,
which is the Salvia farinacea. Okay, there's miss uh the misted.
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Hold on, I'm gonna again go to my hand deep page,
the misty.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
There's news so.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Much it's easier to remember all the time.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Until it became sixty thousand.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
There's a thousand new ones every year.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Yeah, so the Mealy stage is the Mystic Spires is
one of our favorites.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, maybe one of our pop definitely part of the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
Yeah, and then come just covered in bees and it's
just gorgeous. And then but now they're coming out with
some news we are going to try this year called
Mystical White and Blue and Misty. So it'd be fun
to see how those do, because I think they came
from Mystical Spires.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
We laugh about how many new varieties come out every
year and how hard it is to track. But the
breeders are working really hard on on just making better plants,
and sometimes it's it's for vigor for disease or past resistance,
and a lot of times now they're actually breeding four pollinators, which.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Is really cool.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Yes, yeah, which is what we love.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Absolutely, we need to bring those pollinators into our urban
gardens because we become more urban and every day it
seems like.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Yeah, and in the rural rural areas are getting more
more used for farming. Yeah. So the space that we
can devote to gardens and really good uh pollinaer plants
can make a real difference.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Oh yeah, and you know it keeps our cities cooler
and all that.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
So it's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Well, what we got a minute here? What uh what
what other plant does?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Like?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
What are how what about the lantanas? Are they doing?
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Oh, they're getting better.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Sometimes we get some that don't want to bloom all summer.
But then we'll.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
We'll choose out the ones that bloom all summer and
put those on an.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
They're really good one for pollinators.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, So when we get back, we'll talk about some
of the varieties that we really like for Lantana and
some more other plants as well. You are welcome to
call also eight hundred eight two three eighty two fifty five.
We'll be glad to talk about annuals or perennials with you.
You're listening to Let's Garden with Scott Berline. Will be
right back here with Kira back from the Cincinna Potanical
Garden and Zoo, and we're talking the best annuals for
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you to use in your gardens this year and timely
right it's Mother's Day weekend, tim Yeah, yeah, by your
mother some flowers. So we were talking about Lantana's one
of the best pollinier plants, great for hot and dry.
What are some of the ones that performed best for us?
Speaker 4 (17:31):
So we've got several that are looking great. I think
we have a representative of each on our list. But
the luscious Citrus blend has made the list. We had
a new one last year called Passion Fruit that was
just absolutely covered all summer. Yeah, so that made the
list this year. The Luckies are always good. They're a
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long they're.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
A long ray. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, they've been around for a while. Yeah, but they've
been for a while because.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
They're so good.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
And then the shamrocks are a newer variety.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
That have improved each year. I think the blooming's gotten better.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Every year, and that has more of a tighter form.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
To it, Yeah, a little bit more compact, not too compact.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I feel like the luscies are a little more compact
than the shamrocks. And then the sun Dance are a
good one as well.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
It's kind of hard to go wrong with Lantana's too,
though some definitely are better for flower power than others.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Just yes, yeah, sometimes they just bloom really well at
the end of the year or the beginning of the year,
and then the middle gets a.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Little kind of tired flag in the middle.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah, let's move on to a plant that was an
old fashioned one that came back in a big way. Kalladiums,
partly because they've been bred for more sun tolerance. In fact,
some are really fine in full sun.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Yes we have. We've been trialing claims for probably.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
Like five years now, I believe, and they have been
red for more sun. Now, I would say, when they're
not for hot blasted, dry.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Sun, they like water.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah, they like water, and they like some afternoon shade.
So when they say sun, you can put them in
sun as well as they're not going to be in like.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Full day after lis Arizona sun.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Right, yeah, exactly. And then there are still some that
like a little more shade.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
I'm going to get my list to the koladiums here,
and then we have some of my favorites.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Actually is White Wonder.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
That's a great one.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
And it's been doing well for many years.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, beautiful plant.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah, and Explosion. I love explosion.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
These are all very they're foliage plants. I don't think
to get a bloom.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
No, they don't. Well, they get a kind of like an.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Arrow arrow okay, yeah, but the flower or the foliage
color is all over the place with reds, all kinds
of different.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Reds often do a little better in the sun, especially
if they have a s shinier leaf.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
And they are just a great pop of color in
the shade.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
That is hard to You need those brighteners for your shade,
to brighten up your shade.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
And the other neat thing about these is that you
know they're always I think the kalladium growers like to
be a little conservative about this, but I've tested them
to really go into almost frosts, some of the rioting okay, yeah,
well even go long into not all the way into frost.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
But close to it. But they're usually you should bring
them in at like fifty degrees.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
You can overwinter these things, yeah, quite easily, right, fairly
easily and have them again for next year.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
What is it the Heart to Heart series?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yeah, Heart to Heart series.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yeah, but Classic Kalladiums also has some of their own. Yeah,
both the Heart to Heart and the Classic kaladium varieties.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
There. Classic Kalladiums is like the grower grower.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
I believe the Heart to Hearts are the ones that
winter winter selected.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Out of that. Yes, those plants, yes, so.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
There, Yeah, those are pretty good, pretty down the line.
They've all performed really well.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yes, it's hard to go wrong I believe with those.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
What was the diplodinas that's a fairly new plant for us,
and what yeah, the show show horse that is.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
So it's kind of funny because diplodin we don't even
know what to call them anymore. So Diplodinias is a
hybrid of a manda villa, I guess you'd say.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
And there's the tip.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
The typical one is a vining plants, but now they're
coming off out with all these kind of shorter, shrubbier
type and.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
They work really well in containers as.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Your thriller, yeah, but also in the beds yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
And so they become a beautiful groundcover with such a
beautiful coverage of color in the sun.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
The shiny foliage and the big flower. It really gives
you a tropical look, yes, yeah, which is really nice,
especially around swimming pools.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Oh yeah, there's hot, dry areas especially there are a
lot of sun could.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Turn at least part of your garden into uh, make
you feel like you're staying at a resort in some tropical.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, exactly. I love that. Yeah, and adds buchanas in
there and.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
You're yeah, yeah, you're rocking.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
But we have, like the fired Up series has been
really nice.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
We're we're gonna have a couple new ones this year
called fired Up Coral and fired Up Magic Pink.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
And those are kind of.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
Neat because they're very upright and about I don't know,
two feet at the most, but really interesting because they're
very like upright. You have to kind of plant them
close together because they're very upper. But then there's also
these bushier types that are called like there's a Medinia
and they come in all different colors from red to
white to pink. Yeah, but the fired ups are neat
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because they come in colors like coral and orange and
very different, very different colors.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
So what do they need as far as water is concerned.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
I believe they'll take it a little dryer. You don't
want them to have wet feet at all. They but
anywhere from medium to dry?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah? What else have you got on your list?
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Here?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
And a reminder too that this all can be found.
All this information can be found at since an z
dot org. Go to gardens, go to plants, and then
you'll look for the annual.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Yes our Zoo's best Yes.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
And oh I'd like to mention too, we have a
new document on there for container recipes. There you go, Yeah,
if you can only do containers.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Up there and you don't know how to design them,
this will give you just a fool proof yeah container.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Yeah, and you'll and you'll yeah, you'll you'll be successful
that way.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
So we want, yes, exact, that's all.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
We want success for all all the people that want
to work with plants, and then then they become plant
geeks like us.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, become the coolest people ever.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
So, uh, let's see we have I'd like to mention
our Vinka. They're they've become easier. They used to be
hard to grow because I feel like they'd rot out easily,
but now they've become really hearty, great plants. The Valiant
series is wonderful.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
It's been a long time.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Wow, they're coming out with these wild colors, like if
the Blockbuster series and the Nirvana series have these wild colors,
like in blues and used to be Venca were only
like pinks and whites and reds. I think now they're
like blues and corals and watermelon and all these wild colors.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
What witchcraft it allows that? Or is it alchemy or
what these breeders are into what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah, I'm not really sure on that one. But they're beautiful.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Yeah, they sure are, and they grow well. They love
it hot and dry.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Yes, yeah, hot and dry.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
In fact, if you put them out too early, you'll
see them set back up it.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Correct ye, hold off for a little bit.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
But I would say that these new varieties kind of
make it through that period.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
If you get them out a little too early, that's great.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
News because yeah, that is such a versatile plant for
people to use it.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Oh yeah, and I've seen the hummingbird moths on those.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Oh yeah, that's great.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
And then we're trying a few new things this year.
We're going to try a kangaroo's paul, which should be interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I've seen that. It's a botanical garden out west, I think,
and I cannot remember what it looks like.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Yeah, it's really interesting.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
It can be used as a cup flower tall and
they have these little fuzzy kind of kangaroo paul looking flowers. Yeah,
but they really look fun. And sometimes you just got
to try some new things.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Whether yeah, yeah, absolutely, We'll just have.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
To see on those. They probably like a hot, dry situations.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
You know, in the zoo with a you know a
million one point nine million million people, mostly three year olds,
you know, anything that's new and different and cool that
the kids will like as a bonus exactly.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Yeah. And then we're gonna try some new mangavi this year.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I saw those.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I was sorely tempted to take a couple those are
those are the work of hands, hands and up And
what is that Walter's garden And it's crossed between the
Manfreda and a Govi's.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Yes, and the.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Wide range of coolness on these plants is just amazing.
They look like a Govi's basically big succulent plants. Great
for containers.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
They have a cool flower and cool yeah right about
now starting yeah fo yeah, And we're going to try
some of those. We've mostly done them in containers. They
are semi hardy to like forty, maybe a little lower
than forty, okay, so you could put them in a
garage over winter. But we're gonna try some of those
in the ground this year and see how they do
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in a garden.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Other you know, people are really excited about those, and
we're a little late to the party honestly, with with.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
With trying in the ground in the.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Ground, but I think people are going to really like those.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
I was always worried that they would want a hot,
dry situation and we're mostly irrigated.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, but I was told that they don't mind the irrigation.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
We'll see what happened.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and let's see. I think I had
another one. I think we we we already mentioned the
diplodenias and the Vinkas. I think that's about it.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Let's go ahead and take a break and uh, when
we come back, we'll finish out the last segment with
some more annuals and also we'll talk about perennials a
little bit. Yeah, what the best ones are? You're listening
to Let's Guarden with Scott Berlin. We'll be back in
just this hour with Kira back. We're talking about the
best annuals and perennials from our zoo trials, the Cincinnati
Zoo and Botanical Garden. When we come back at the
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top of the hour, we'll be joined by doctor Alan Armitage,
so one of the all time h top experts on
annuals and perennials.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
And not to be fair.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
To be fair, we're going to have all woodies next week.
We'll cover trees and shrubs next weekend, so stay you know,
you'll want to stay tuned for that too. But what
other annuals that we not talked about, and then we
will slide over to your favorite perennials.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Let's see, let's talk a little bit about curricuma. That's
a new one that we've kind of started. We started
out again in a container and did beautifully. It will
take a little it'll take some sun, but it also
take a little bit part shade. And we have a
bunch of new ones this year that are coming and
we've started putting them in beds last year and they
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did really nicely. Okay, so we're going to try them
as well. What was that name again, Curcuma. It's a
it's a type of ginger in the.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Ginger family or turmeric family, so that kind of rooted.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
There is a particular one that is tumoric that you
can eat, but these are not the edible type.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, so don't don't eat any plant unless you're absolutely
sure and actually watch someone else.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Do it first, and if they keel over, that's exactly right.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
And then, uh, dahlias are not everybody loves dahlias, but
they're not a particularly great plant for our area.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
But we do have the mystic dahlias.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
That darker foliage I'm finding in general is something to
look for when you're looking for a dahlia, and the
Mystics have those beautiful dark foliage with the bright flowers.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, they are.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
That's a great longtime series. Yes, Mystic Illusion is one
of our.
Speaker 4 (29:49):
Yeah, and then but we do have a couple new
ones this year that had a dark foliage that I thought, well,
why don't we try it? And they're called calf and
the cafe Ola is one of them.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I just love the name.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, so I thought, well, what the heck?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
And then there was another one that I'm going to
try in a cut flower situation.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
It's real tall, okay, so yeah, so.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Yeah, So there's lots of great annuals to try on
this Zoo's Best list, and then keep looking out for
our labels this year in the park and see what
you can find.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
See them, and if you can't come to the zoo,
definitely go to our website garden since a zoo dot org,
go to Gardens and Plants, and then to.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
The annuals dropped down.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, also good information there on trees and shrubs, perennials,
a lot of different things. Speaking of perennials, what are
some of your favorites that people have got to go
out and buy this year?
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Oh okay, so I'm going to come from my plant
geek a little bit from this one.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
But I love perennials.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
I love gardens that mix the perennials and the annuals
and the.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Trees and shrubs.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
That's the best way to do it, and I tend
to love I studied a lot about like dry and
just shade type plants because I want my trees in
my garden too, so uh, I'll start with those.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
So toad lily or triceurtis is one of my absolute favorites.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Blue Wonder and Mayazaki are really good varieties.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
I feel.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
I love them because they look like orchids and they
just covered in the fall, which is a time where
everything else is starting to go down, so they're they're
a beautiful.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
One for spring.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Pulmon area, the Trevy Fountains, I've really.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Come to appreciate those plants over the last five or
six years.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Yeah, I mean they have good foliage, all nice ornamental
foliage all year, but also or not all year, but
into to fall and then but they have a beautiful
long bloom the Trevy Fountains very early early long bloom
in the spring start out.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
And turn to ye kind of like a or is
it pink to blue?
Speaker 4 (31:58):
It's like different shades of blue with purples in there. Yeah,
a little bit of pink but not much, okay. And
then also it likes to seed, but not in an
aggressive way, which is sot'll fill in like a groundcover
in your garden, which is really nice Iris cristata.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
That's great for dry.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
That's our wood native iris. So you take some shade. Yeah,
it blooms better when it gets more sun. Yeah, it
spreads really kind of nicely.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yes, a very nice ground No.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Taller than what would you say, eight inches maybe eight inches? Yeah,
somewhere in there. Yeah, big flowers for the size of
the planet.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Oh yeah, and if you love iris, that's a great
way to real easy way to grow one. Yeah, you know,
you don't have to divide it too often or anything
like that. Like Ularia is one of my favorite collect
I like to collect those those in Triceurtus. Britt Marie
Crawford is my favorite. But they're coming out with lots
of neat different types.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
These have a reputation for needing a lot of water,
and some do. Yeah, but what was the one we
had that did so well in dry shade.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
I feel like it's.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Britt Marie because I feel like that one does find
that to will is easily.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
But it was it bloomed way into fall and I'm
trying to remember the name.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
It was something about last dance maybe, oh last dance. Yeah,
that was a cool That's my other favorite.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
It's like a it's a groundcover size. It's not real
big like britt Marie. And yeah, bloom's very late into
the fall. Actually, I've seen it bloom in August and
all the way into like November.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Like it's it's different each year for something.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
How cold it.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, but we had a mild year a few years
ago and I think that was well. I was thinking
it would possibly bloom right up till Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, they're they're so cool, they are. And
then some sun varieties. My favorite. We've got little blue
stem of course.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Little and what's the one that we're all enamored with?
Oh the hahaka, Oh yeah.
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Standing ovation is noteworthy because it doesn't flop or not
anywhere near like some.
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Of the others do.
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I don't know.
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I mean even after snow in the winter and rain
and everything, it was standing straight up, which.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Was has a fuzzy stem and back lit. It is
nothing short of amazing. It is a cool plant. Yeah,
to put where you know it'll catch that afternoon or
evening light.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
They have so many colors in them.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Oh yeah, it's just amazing, like a grass an animal crass.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
There has much much color. And it's a.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
Native if you like a native. And then flocks Gina
is that thing. That's a great summer flocks blooming.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Everyone should have that plant.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yeah, it could.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
And I feel like every picture you see what those
has tiger swalltails.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Tiger swallowtail or some other swallow tail on yeah, and
other pollinators as well.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah. Yeah, I've got one in my backyard.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Uh and just like you said, it's hard to get
a picture of it without a tiger swallowtail on it. Yeah,
we got a minute, Like I'm real, through the rest.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Of your favorite scutari and cana scoldcale and.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Helianthus gold lace.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Swamp sunflower, and then pair it with a really beautiful blue.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Aster Oh yeah, great to fall combination. Yeah yeah, these
are all great plants.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Again.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
The website is since a zoo dot org. Go to gardens,
go to plants or recommended plants, and then uh then
just look at all the information here.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
There's a lot of good stuff. Kierra, Thank you so
much for being here and it's a busy you're literally
going to work after this.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yes, it's a terribly busy time of year, but you're
information for everybody out there for plants to buy on
this weekend.
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It's just great.
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It's a pleasure.
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