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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome, Good morning to you. Jennifer Smith, Good morning, how
are you? I think I think it's early, it's really early,
and I've had but I've had my coffee, a lot
of it, a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
That's what we need to start the day gardening.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
That's right, especially this time of day.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
You're an early riser.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Though I am. But it's also cold, so it makes
it a little hard to get started. But we're good.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, we're all good. Jennifer.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
You are the horticulturist for Wimberg Landscaping, yes, and sort
of marketer at large.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Do a lot of stuff on social media and then
we do magazine articles. But you know, when you're gardening,
of course you want to share what you're doing with
plants with everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
So you, more than anybody else, chat about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, and you're going to be you're you're here. I
mean you've been here what a month or two ago?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
About a month ago?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, And I know wouldn't bring some wady back this quickly,
but there was no way I could not have you
co host on a day when we're having Jeff Epping here.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I am so excited to talk to him.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So you are just a fanatic right now for gravel gardens,
and he is the leading voice right now of gravel Gardens.
His book is coming out in June.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It has been pre ordered. I am waiting. I check,
even though I know it hasn't shipped. I still check
every day.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I have heard that June second is the release dates.
We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
We're also having Irvin Atn here, great all around horticulturist,
but especially big into tropicals and all kinds of fun things, big, loud, bold,
bodacious gardens. He's at Newfields at the Indianapolis Museum of
Art in Indianapolis, and he will be with us and
(01:52):
for long time listeners from Ron Wilson's show, the predecessor
to this one, Joe Box, we'll be back. So I'm
sure a lot of people will be really happy about that.
So we have a power packed full day of things.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Be fun. It is going to be fun.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
We always start with the days of Yes, I'm going
to rip through these because we don't have.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
A lot of time, and they're all food.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
That's yeah, we'll talk about that too. A month of May.
We're starting May. That's May second today, Yeah, So month
of May get Caught Reading Month. If you're getting caught reading,
what are you reading?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Oh Well, in honor of Jeff Bean on the show,
I have a collection of Beth Chadow books, Jerk Jarman's
book about his garden, and then a book called Planting
Design for Dry Garden. So we have a lovely theme
going here.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Definitely have a good theme going on. Skin Cancer Awareness Month.
Very important for gardeners to use your sunscreen. Yes, do
as I say, not as I do. I'm not good
about that. I need to get.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Better and wear a hat, and wear a hat.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
More than anything else. Wear a hat with a brim.
It's miniature garden month.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Which I think kind of fits with gravel gardens because
it gives us a chance to use some smaller plants
that maybe might get lost in traditional gardens.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, Strawberry Month and Mediterranean Diet Month. That's you know
that I've been with all the vegetables we grow. It's
a lot of it's a lot of olive oil. It's
Greek and Italian food basically is what comes down to
that works. Got a wrong page here. First week of
(03:30):
May is wildflower Week. I like that, well timed craft
beer Week. I like that more and Eastern Box Turtle Week.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, you've only got an animal in there.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Very good I know, and a good one too. Today, Saturday,
May second. First of all, it's Derby Day. We had
Matt Bizell from Churchill Downs last week. If you haven't
heard that conversation, it was really fun. So you get
your jewelps ready. And what is it the one hundred
and fifty second running or something. I know, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
You're not wearing hat even though no one should less
should be wearing well, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
It doesn't work with headphones and it's still technically yesterday
in my opinion, Today is also Start Seeing Monarchs Week day.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
You know, it seems early for that.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Maybe more south that applies Sunday Tomorrow May third, Lemonade Day,
Paranormal Day, Two Different Colored Shoes Day, and here we
go with the big goods lobby coming in, being powerful,
shifting all their weight, National Chocolate Custard Day and Raspberry
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Popover Day.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
And it's Garden Meditation Day.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So get into your garden, meditate, do all that health
and wellness that forest bathing stuff. Gardens really can put
you in a better place. Take advantage of that Monday,
Star Wars Day, Bird Day, Orange Juice Day. So we
had Lemonade Day on Monday on Sunday, and now we
have Orange Juice Day on Monday. So the powers that
(05:06):
be in the citrus world are duking it out whether
observers Day, Hey Ron Ralphis out there, pay attention.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Or is our weather man.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
He sure is?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Candied Orange Peel Day and self Employment Day, and there's
a lot of self employed gardeners out there. If you
find a good one, keep them happy. Yeah, Tuesday, Cinco
Demayo on Tuesday, Taco Tuesday, Cinco Demayo, the Stars Aligned,
Astronaut Day, Hogi Day, Cartoonist Day, my son is a
(05:41):
cartoonist and totally Chipottele Day, Wednesday, Beverage Day, crape Suit's
that day again, that lobby Thursday, Tourism Day, leg of
Lamb Day, Packaging Design Day. Friday is have a Coke Day,
should be have a coke in a smile Day. But
you know, I don't know how a pro gets in
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on this, but they did.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
How does any of this come about it? I don't
know who spend the time to say we should make
a down.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I don't know, but I think it's filthy. I think
there's a lot of behind the st scenes, money exchanging hands,
all kinds of stuff. Because you know, here's coconut cream Day,
cream Pie Day. Also again, you know I like the
I make a.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Mean homemade coconut cream pie, so I support that day.
I won't completely.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I won't believe it until you present me with one.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Oh, I should have saw that before I say that.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It's also Knockout Rose Day, and that is a really
fun story.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Have you heard that?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
The story about them knockout Rose?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
The initial Rockout Rose uh was bred by Will a
man named Will Radler, twenty years into his horticultural degree.
He was a director at I think it's pronounced Boner
Borner Botanic Gardens in Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
He was a horticulturist at that gardens. He crossed care Free,
Broody Beauty, a rose, a very common one. I think
it's still even up there, care Free Beauty, and one
called Razzle Dazzle in his basement with one ceiling showing
exceptional black spot resistance. So he got that out there
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and tested. It was released, I think in I don't
have that down. It was released in nineteen ninety nine,
I think, and of course it took over the world,
you know. It suddenly now the ubiquitous rose, the red
rose that you see in gas stations, parking lots, centers
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of roads, on many, many yards. It is a fabulous
rose and it deserves the popularity.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
That it has. And then from there he kept breeding.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Of course he's won every kind of metal, but he's
kept breeding, and now there are are eleven roses in
the Knockout brand.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Wow. So a real successful story for our backyard breeder.
And that's really really fun.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
And we need a lot of these really easy to
grow plants for people are just starting to garden, so
they feel success right away, absolutely, and then they're more
inclined to dive right in.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I mean, if you're not a snob, you know, and
you just saw that rose with that beautiful color that's continuous,
with the ease of growth, the lack of past and
disease issues, it's yeah, there's nothing to not.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Like, you know, gardening should just be happy. We should
be judging people. I can't believe we grew that and
not that just what you like?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Far too much judgment. Yeah, let's go to a commercial
after that lecture. That lecture to be nice to be nice,
Do not judge, do not we will judge, or we
will judge you.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
We will judge you for being judgmental.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Let's go to a break and we'll take that time
to compliment ourselves on our and are brilliance. And after
that we'll talk about some favorite plants. We'll be back
in just a minute. It's let's garden with Scott Burlin
here with Jennifer Smith and we just well, just a
couple of reminders. I want to remind everybody that they
can join the Facebook page in the Garden with Ron
(09:18):
Rothis and friends. All our past shows and also Ron
Wilson's can be found on all the best sources of
podcasts and you can go to a link on the
iHeart app and hear those shows as well. We have
Evelyn on theline, and she has a really good point
to make.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Evelyn, are you there? Good morning?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yeah, Hi, good morning? Can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I can?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Good? Good? Well, thank you? If you were coming up
with all the days, well, this is a whole month
of blind disease Awareness month. As I always used to
call Ron Wilson about it, there is a way you know,
if you have edges along your lawn that come up
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in weeds. Well, I mean, this is a way of
designing your yard so that the ticks can't cross over
it into your lawn. And there's wonderful websites about it,
like there's one called kick Encounter from the University of
Rhode Island and they show how you can make a
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border of well gravel so that the takes will cross
from the edges of your property or your lawn into
you know, the area where they might crawl up on
you and you know, the deer come over and usually
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they stay on the edges of the lawn. So if
you had a designed the garden or a designed property,
then you could keep the takes from crossing between that
edge with although we did everything so it's because they.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
They lurk on those taller plants and just wait for
somebody to come by and jump on them exactly.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
So that type of uh, the yard designed is very important,
especially if you could keep the you know, the area
kind of dry and because it takes love moisture, okay,
and keep it sunny. But I wish you'd have somebody
(11:45):
on about it.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Maybe well, yeah, you'll be glad to know.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Joe Bogs is coming on at seven point thirty and
that's the first topic on the list, so we will
talk about that prevention. Uh, you know, the clothing and
the the repellents that you can use, so that will
be good information for folks.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
That's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Thank you, You're certainly welcome. Thank you for your call
and the reminder. I had it on my list and
then I got I passed it over because I had
it in with a bunch of tick information and I
crossed that out when I knew Joe was going to
be on the show. But yeah, we will get to that,
and I appreciate your reminder. So, Jennifer, I have been fortunate.
I should not even say this that I haven't had
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a tick issue in my yard so badly.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I've found a few already this year.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, they're early. I mean that warm weather in April
I think did the trick.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
But also we're climbing in the gardens. Most people aren't
doing that, so if you're out and about, you're probably
over pay.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
But they are becoming more of an issue, and people
need to learn how to wear their clothing and what
to put on their clothing and themselves to protect themselves
and like Evelyn said, you know, we can put you know,
some elements of guard design in there to kind of
help us out with that too.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I love that. I never thought of that. Actually, that's
a really good idea, especially if kids and pets they're
going to be outside a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, why not.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
And speaking of that weather, we got all got a
head fake with those hot days in early April that
pushed everything out. And now you know, the weather is
reminding us that it's watching the calendar even if we're not.
So these these cold nights of frost and potential frost,
you know, caught a lot of people by surprise again
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as usual every year.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Every year.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, you think we'd learn limit in Cincinnati, I know.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
And even you know, in the eastern United States everywhere
it could be erratic. The one thing I started thinking about,
you know, the weathermen, the newscasters are always saying, yeah,
we got a frost bringer plants in First of all,
I was thinking, how much human energy is being spent
hauling plants inside and outside and covering plants. I think
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if you tap that and refine it, gas would be
a dollar a gallon. I'm pretty sure of that. But
you know, I started thinking, you know, covering isn't just enough.
Covering helps if the soil temperature is warm and you
capture that soil, that warmth and keep your plants happy.
It also helps with escaping what I don't know how
(14:19):
that frost works. Where you know, a clear sky at everything,
all the warmth goes straight up and the cold comes in.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It helps with that.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
But if you have a bunch of tomatoes and sell
packs or little trays or little things on a metal
table outside, covering isn't going to help you at all, doomed.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah, you've got to either put them on the ground,
cover them, or bring them in.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
And I think it's a good idea too for people
if you started seeds to start acclimating them to being outside. Absolutely,
if you went to the greenhouses, because who can resist them, right,
and you have to bring those plants home, but acclimate
them for a while because they've been growing in the
most luxurious condition. Oh and then we toss them out
on our porch and say good luck girls.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Right, yeah, but sun wind.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
So spend the next week kind of getting your plants
accustomed to being outside. Yeah, and you'll get better plants
in the long run. But yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Just remember with a lot of these warm seasoned vegetables
and annuals that soil, temperatures under sixty and fifty five
degrees start to set them back. So if they're out
there and that little cell pack can get down to
fifty five or below really fast, you know, either cover
them up on the ground or in a really good place,
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or just bite the bullet, bring them inside.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
And don't really look at what's happening in your neighbor's yard.
Because we know those microclimates, we can have it beautiful
in Hyde Park. I drive to our office in Milford,
we're very low by water, we hit a wall of
fog and I can have frost there before we have
it in Hyde Park.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, it doesn't surprise me. You know.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I take a lot seen days where the backyard had
frost and the front yard did. Yes, you know, just
like I've had days where the backyard got rained in
the front yard didn't. Have you ever had that happen?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
No, but I have been where it rained at the
condo and not at all park where I really wanted it. Now,
I got to call out the hoses.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I'm in a rain shadow. I swear to I don't
know why.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I'm on the east side of the city, and I
think maybe that's something about that heat island or whatever.
But you can just watch the weather come in, the
rain come and it just dissipates.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
The worst is when it says it's raining, yeah, and
you look out your window and it's not.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
What can we do about the weather, Jennifer.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Not a darn thing that's dark.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah, it's it's it's bad news.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
And again, like I said, the a vinkas, the tomatoes,
peppers especially, those are the things that you really want
to watch if you have started squash or whatever, which
you probably shouldn't have done. Bring that into coming up,
we'll talk about favorite plants. That's always a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Love that.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Like I said earlier seven point thirty, we have Joe
Boggs joining us.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
He will talk about all the past and disease issues antics,
so that will be good news. You are listening to
Let's Garden with Scott Berline. Good friend Jennifer Smith from
Wimburg Landscaping. A great gardener, just such an enthusiast, just
such a happy person and an enthusiast for gardening and
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gardens and.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
You're a force. Oh thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Ron Roth has just tapped in, he said, speaking of
our weather we were talking about last segment. He's got
a quote from Benjamin Franklin. Some people are weather wise,
but most are otherwise.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I think a lot of us are feeling otherwise this week.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I love Benjamin Franklin. That guy, he had it going on.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
He's just so witty and smart, and you know all
those crazy things he did, flying a kite.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
In a rainstorm.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Plantsman too from.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And the Franklinia, that really great treaty that was discovered
by Bartram, named after his buddy Benjamin Franklin.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
And the only ones in existence, Yeah, because it was
the origins. Origins where that plant was discovered is gone, are.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Gone, and they were gone almost immediately after they were discovered,
because his son went back a decade later and couldn't
find them. Yes, and they've never been seen in the
wild again. So every tree of Franklinia around the world
is only because William Bartram or was it John, I
don't want them. The senior brought it to Philadelphia, gave
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it to Benjamin Franklin, send it to England, and it's
in cultivation only because.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Of that, which is a really good reminder that we
should pay attention to plants that are in decline, rare
plants and have more people collect them. Because if only
a handful of people are collecting these plants, what if
something happened in there are or that arboreta.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Or that right, you're absolutely ready.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
To spread them around. So that way, it's just an
insurance policy for us.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
It really is, and it's overlooked way too much.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I do too. Let's talk favorite plants. Franklin is one
of them. It's impossible to grow it. I have killed
it three or four times, so we're not going to
talk about that, even though it's absolutely a stunner.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
It's rare.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
It has all the it checks all the boxes except
growable and so.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Which might explain why it's a little rare.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
That could be it.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I've got to start with one is I think should
be the new Branford pair in the best sense of
the word, the one that's out there a lot. It
should be in so many yards in gardens. Venus dogwood.
It is a hybrid between corniscusa, the Chinese dogwood, and
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Cornison tally, which is the dogwood that grows in the
Pacific Northwest, so you would think, well hardiness, I don't know,
you know, it's actually very hearty.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It's extremely vigorous.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Mine got oversprayed by my neighbour's long cair company with
two four D cankered. It is not only covered those wounds,
but it's bloomed every year while doing that.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
The blooms are.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Six five six inches across. They do bloom when it's
in foliage, so it's a little different from a flowering dogwood,
but it is tough and vigorous. It's got that absolutely
amazing flower set. It covers the tree and then good
fall color on top of that. So it's everything you
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want in a relatively small tree. Probably tops out at
twenty thirty feet.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
It's something that a lot of people could fit into
their home landscape, which is nice. Yes, they're not going
to worry about a falling on their house, no, which
is nice because that does make some people nervous.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
With our trees, usually without reason.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
But you know, if you're going to have a big
tree removed because you fear it's going to fall in
your house, have an arborist come out look at it
and tell you. They can tell you whether it's a
real risk or not.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Get a couple opinions, because sometimes it could just be
a balance issue. I've talked with a few arbors. They
said the tree is fine, but we just need to
rebalance her. Yeah, so let's Yeah. I always get a
few opinions, but I love the idea of that tree
because easy to grow, takes care of itself. Yeah, we
need more plants like that in the garden, especially as
we want people to add more plants. We need a
lot of plants to just we can plant and almost
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forget about it.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, you can't have too many divas in the garden.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
No, and this is a diva in the sense it's
stunningly beautiful but easy at the same time. So what
plant do you have on your list?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Now?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
It's this is a weird week. I walked around the
gardens and I have summer plants like Baptisia and little
moonshine yarrow and pincushions are blooming. The irises are blooming,
so it's just like, okay, summers here. And then I
go around the corner to the shade garden and it's
Columbine is it? Brunner of Bruneire I think I say
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it could be either way. Okay, Still, some pulmon areas
are blooming and it's like, here's this delicate, very feminine
looking shade garden that still feels like really early spring. Yeah,
and then you go to the gravelish garden, it's a
drought garden and that's just screams summer.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
So it's it's kind of what happens when you have
that two weeks of warm weather in April. It pushes
everything together, yes, and it can be absolutely stunning. It
may it compresses things, so you may miss a little
on the tail end, but it's it's really stunning to
see so much in bloom all at the same time.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Baptisiaus look phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I just shared on the Facebook page post the Cincinni
Zoo and Potanical Garden did a reel on Facebook just
of a stunning set of videos and picktures of the
various Baptisia we have in bloom right now. So if
you have a chance to check that out since Ana
Zoo and Botanical Garden facebook page or mine, you can
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see that and it's it's it just shows you the
full gamut, the full array of colors. Now, the quality
of these plants, and you were talking a plant that
lives forever, no care.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
They don't flop all the all the boxes get.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Checked and the cool thing is in the spring. If
you wait to clean it up, all those branches kind
of get tangled together like a tumbleweed. So you just
kind of one little snap and all the branches break.
It's very easy, or if.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
You're really lucky, it breaks off on a windy day
and somewhere in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah problem.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Are your salvias blooming in your gardens?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, some of them are actually on the tail end
at the zoo. Others are just hitting their glories. So
there's a little bit of a range on the salvias.
But last week Moulin Room was looking great. Asia Snow,
one of my favorites, was looking great last week and
still this week.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So a lot of good salvia. Is a lot of
new ones that are really good out there too.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, I think it's a good time. If you are
gardening and you go outside you see nothing in bloom.
This is your queue to make a less of your
open spaces. How much sun or shade is it? And
then go to the nursery this weekend and say this
is the void or the blank I need to have,
because there really should be at least twenty things blooming
in your garden right now. Oh and it's not you're
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missing out on it. This is such a great time
to be in the gardens. Not too hot, the bugs
aren't out that much exactly, So get some flowers going,
but don't plant them until next week.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
So I want to mention deranium macro horizon. I know
that three or four weeks ago when your cohort, Sarah
Geiger Beam, she mentioned this plant. It's still going strong,
and I want to mention it again because it is
a great ground cover. You're resistant state. I don't know
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what do you call it? Eight inches high maybe.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
A foot tops tops.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, and there's so many good well, there's three good varieties.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Bevans.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Bevans variety is these are all old cultivars. I don't
know why more people aren't putting out new ones, but
Bevans variety is really good. Inguison's is also good in
another called spasart. But these are just great care free plants.
Part shade the Sun. It's also one of the parents
of the Cambridge geraniums, which is a geranium cantabrigients, and
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that's a lot of good varieties that have the same features,
maybe a little smaller bio Cova, Carmena and Cambridge or
the cultivars. You'll find of that out there. I think
there's some new ones. There's a crystal series, Crystal rose, crystal.
I don't know, but those are good.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
All good plants make for a nice collector's garden.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, these are just great fillers.
You know, they spread really nicely.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
And so you could almost use that as like a
matrix plant. Oh you were doing a matrix garden, but
you weren't that much into like the Carricks's sedges and grasses.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
We're mixing in with those because the taller perennials just
grow up in and around it. So it's really good.
What's next on your list?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
What you know, it's done blooming. But last year I
planted a pass flower and maybe I'm the last person
to grow that, but she bloomed for a month. Seedheads
are beautiful.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I have a joke or pulse to tell a joke.
It's the only one in the world.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
But you start out with it as this beautiful fuzzy
little plant and these fuzzy little flowers and it's like
your chrubic infant. It's just something you want to hug
and cuddle and rub up against your face and you know,
get all emotional about. And then before you know it,
the flowers are gone, and the sea heads are really
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high and they're puffballs.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
The seat heads. It's like they've become your your teenager
with weird hair. I'm glad you laugh at not every
not every crowd, not every.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Group of people will understand. Yeah, they understand, Yeah, but
I definitely have to get more.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
And I have had different past flowers, and it's called
past flower because it blooms at Easter and every year,
whether Easter is earlier or late.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
There she is in bloom.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Well she she lived up to the hype. I love it.
I put it in a true gravel garden. So I'll
add a few more. We have on one length of
the building, we have a drought garden, like I don't
water it. That's where the pincushions and the little moonshine
yard are blooming. And then a plant which the native
people will not like, but snow in summer.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah, I've had that before.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
She is very exuberant in growth. But it's super easy.
It dry and he and it's in bloom right now. Yeah,
it's just it's absolutely darling and it just kind of
shakes a little bit in the breeze. And when it's
done blooming, you can edit it as easy as can be.
So it's not a chore to get rid of it.
But I would use caution.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
You know, it spreads in my garden. It disappeared because
it got shaded out. It just got weaker and weaker.
So and like you said, it's not that hard to
just pull. It's not gonna seed around, it's just gonna spread.
I just grew about twenty of them from seed that
I just poted up. Oh really, and look forward to
putting in the garden soon. And you know this dry, sunny,
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really hot places. Let's go ahead and take another break.
When we come back, we have more plants. Always really
my favorite part of the programs talking about plants. So
this is always good. So stay tuned. We've got more
good plants for you. You're listening to Let's Garden with
Scott Berline.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Will be right back. News Radio sixteen, Take two. Let's
Garden with Scott Burline. Our number is eight hundred.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Eight two three eighty two fifty five. We got ten
minutes or so left to talk about plants. What's the
next one on your list, Jennifer.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I think we have to say am Sonia.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, and that's been on the list for like four
weeks now. But what a great plant. Just keeps rocking it.
You know, this is not it's great right now, but
it's great all summer with good foliage and form. It
doesn't flop, it moves around in the wind and then
you get fall color when especially with Hubert Dye or
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Arkansas Arkansas blue Star.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
It's probably the only plant too in the spring that
I need pruners to cut back because it kind of
has not like filament, but like it's it's almost like celery.
It has all that stringy material in the stems, so
they don't snap. Am Sonia Harperchi doesn't snap as well.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I have never pruned my am sonia. What are you
printing it for.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
In the spring? Why I'm a neat freak. Maybe I
just realize that like everybody else doesn't know that.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
I don't think anyone else.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Because they had such a great form and tidy form
already on its own.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
But in the spring, like last year's foliage is kind
of fall into the side.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
So I've never had a flat Oh yeah, well I
have had rabbits cut off, like bite off a few
of the lower the outer stems, and then they fall over.
But I just pull those away. But interesting, you know,
each their own. Every gardener's different.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Do you cut back like your little blue stems in
the spring?
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Well, we're talking about the little blue oh, the little
blue stems.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Nope, never do that either, So you just let the
new foliages grow up.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
The Oh you mean I cut back the old stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the old stuff, not the news
in the spring cutting back last year's foliage, and it's
kind of fibrous, like it doesn't snap as easily.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I tried cutting that back with a lot more one time,
and it was like a cotton mill. It was just
fiber everywhere. Yeah, no, yeah, it is very fiberus. I
almost wonder if you could make ropes or clothing from it.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Well, that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I wonder we could get a patent on that, we
could get started. We'd be rich, really rich, will be
one hundreds we think that invention we could quit all
this gardening stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
We could.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
We would never quit gardening. We would use the proceeds
from the invention to buy more plants.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah, sit back and watch a gardener take care of
them and just enjoy the gardens.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
That's what I will.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Would not happen.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
No, I could never leave it alone. I'd be out
there working.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Other people touching your plants. I don't know about. I
don't know, but yeah, so yeah in last year's foldge
cleaning that up one a few times, I have to
use a pruner, which is great gardening if you only
need one garden tool. Who's not into that?
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Right?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
But the cali Caanthus am I saying that?
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Right?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
What is the common sweet shrub?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I think it is sweet shrub? Yeah? Great native?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yes, has uh really nice glossy foliage, that funky looking bloom.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
It's a very primitive plant. It's from dinosaur times.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Deep burgundy, deep burgundy.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Some are fragrant in a nice way, some are fragrant
in a not so nice way.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Some aren't fragrant at all.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
But the flowers are nice and then fall color can
be pretty good on it, and in course anywhere deep
shade out into full sun.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Ours is in pretty much full sun, doesn't really get
any extra watering. It has really good soil. We planted it.
I honestly forget about it. Yes, it's in having to
take care of it, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah, And mine isn't in a place where I tend
to forget about it. Even in bloom. It's just very functional.
But if you take the time and look at it,
it's very attractive.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I think it's one of those plants that people should
put on their calendar to go check on them, because
you could forget it, and you hate to miss those
blooms and they're not garish and over the top and
kind of screaming, come look at me.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
No, it's a parent of aphrodite, along with the Chinese calicanthus, yes,
and those. That's a shout out out plant with big
showy flowers, a great big shrub like talking ten twelve
feet easy. You know, it uses up some space. But
it's a nice plant too, really nice plant. I have
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been struck by one a willow actually at the zoo
since a zoo and botanical gardens or since botanical garden, zoo,
whatever you prefer on that, but anyway, it's a willow
called iceberg alley or sage leaf willows. It grows three
to six feet tall and wide according to the label.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
So willow, should we say six to ten feet there?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I don't know what we should say, but that's what
the label says. It's a first edition's plant. But it's
got great silvery foliage. It really shows up. It really
shows up all summer long too. And then it has
silver catkins on red stems, very showy. Again, can take
full sun. It does like moisture, as you would expect
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with the willow.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
But you know what, we have some willows that aren't
in areas that hold a lot of moisture. In fact,
one's kind of raised up against a wall. I don't
even think if I turn the irrigation on it hits it. Yeah,
they're perfectly fine.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, willows can be that way. There's so many species
of willow. Technically, traditionally, I think most of them do
like moisture, but not all of them. There's a you know,
mountaintop willows. It's an enormous genus of different species, and
I only know a little bit. I got a book
one time, and it was just it was overwhelming and
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so much that I kind of stopped it.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I was kind of like, I'm going to learn all
the asters.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah, no, you're not got to mention that the yellow
woods too, right, and they're kind of finishing up for us.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
But this was their year there and every other year
tree and from what I can tell, almost all of
them are in the same year. So whether you have
one here at your home, it's zoo in Columbus and Texas.
If you got a yellowood, it's probably blooming this year
and will not next year. We have the species at
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the zoo and it's looking looking great. There look really
good down at spring Grove. And there's a pink version
called Perkins Pink that's pretty pretty cool too.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
That would be cool. This is a good time of
the year to go to.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
The zoo, any botanical.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Garden and spring Grove and really study the trees and shrubs,
because I think that is something that new gardeners have
a difficult time working in trees and shrubs to study them. Now,
make room for it, even if you aren't ready to
plant it yet, but just put that space aside for it.
So when you are ready to purchase your tree and shrub.
You've got a spot for it.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
The form is so important, and you can't see the
form in a pot in the nursery, so you're really
going out and seeing how they grow in real life,
what they look like. You know, what's kind of sighting
they need. You know, the label kind of gives you
an idea, but seeing them in NC tube at a
at a botanical garden or arboretum or whatever is really
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the way to go with shrubs, but also with perennials.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, and some of these shrubs would make a great
privacy fence. It doesn't have to be a solid line
of evergreens. We just need to fuzz that view. So
these shrubs might do a great job.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
When we come back, we're going to talk with Irvin Htn.
Are you excited about that?
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I'm very excited.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
I am too.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Irvin is a horticulturist at Newfields in Indianapolis.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Great gardener, you're gonna like it. You're listening to Let's
Garden with Scott Berline
Welcome, Good morning to you. Jennifer Smith, Good morning, how
are you? I think I think it's early, it's really early,
and I've had but I've had my coffee, a lot
of it, a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
That's what we need to start the day gardening.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
That's right, especially this time of day.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
You're an early riser.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Though I am. But it's also cold, so it makes
it a little hard to get started. But we're good.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, we're all good. Jennifer.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
You are the horticulturist for Wimberg Landscaping, yes, and sort
of marketer at large.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Do a lot of stuff on social media and then
we do magazine articles. But you know, when you're gardening,
of course you want to share what you're doing with
plants with everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
So you, more than anybody else, chat about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, and you're going to be you're you're here. I
mean you've been here what a month or two ago?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
About a month ago?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, And I know wouldn't bring some wady back this quickly,
but there was no way I could not have you
co host on a day when we're having Jeff Epping here.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I am so excited to talk to him.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So you are just a fanatic right now for gravel gardens,
and he is the leading voice right now of gravel Gardens.
His book is coming out in June.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
It has been pre ordered. I am waiting. I check,
even though I know it hasn't shipped. I still check
every day.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I have heard that June second is the release dates.
We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
We're also having Irvin Atn here, great all around horticulturist,
but especially big into tropicals and all kinds of fun things, big, loud, bold,
bodacious gardens. He's at Newfields at the Indianapolis Museum of
Art in Indianapolis, and he will be with us and
(01:52):
for long time listeners from Ron Wilson's show, the predecessor
to this one, Joe Box, we'll be back. So I'm
sure a lot of people will be really happy about that.
So we have a power packed full day of things.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Be fun. It is going to be fun.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
We always start with the days of Yes, I'm going
to rip through these because we don't have.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
A lot of time, and they're all food.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
That's yeah, we'll talk about that too. A month of May.
We're starting May. That's May second today, Yeah, So month
of May get Caught Reading Month. If you're getting caught reading,
what are you reading?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Oh Well, in honor of Jeff Bean on the show,
I have a collection of Beth Chadow books, Jerk Jarman's
book about his garden, and then a book called Planting
Design for Dry Garden. So we have a lovely theme
going here.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Definitely have a good theme going on. Skin Cancer Awareness Month.
Very important for gardeners to use your sunscreen. Yes, do
as I say, not as I do. I'm not good
about that. I need to get.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Better and wear a hat, and wear a hat.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
More than anything else. Wear a hat with a brim.
It's miniature garden month.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Which I think kind of fits with gravel gardens because
it gives us a chance to use some smaller plants
that maybe might get lost in traditional gardens.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Yeah, Strawberry Month and Mediterranean Diet Month. That's you know
that I've been with all the vegetables we grow. It's
a lot of it's a lot of olive oil. It's
Greek and Italian food basically is what comes down to
that works. Got a wrong page here. First week of
(03:30):
May is wildflower Week. I like that, well timed craft
beer Week. I like that more and Eastern Box Turtle Week.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
How about that?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, you've only got an animal in there.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
Very good I know, and a good one too. Today, Saturday,
May second. First of all, it's Derby Day. We had
Matt Bizell from Churchill Downs last week. If you haven't
heard that conversation, it was really fun. So you get
your jewelps ready. And what is it the one hundred
and fifty second running or something. I know, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
You're not wearing hat even though no one should less
should be wearing well, yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
It doesn't work with headphones and it's still technically yesterday
in my opinion, Today is also Start Seeing Monarchs Week day.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
You know, it seems early for that.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Maybe more south that applies Sunday Tomorrow May third, Lemonade Day,
Paranormal Day, Two Different Colored Shoes Day, and here we
go with the big goods lobby coming in, being powerful,
shifting all their weight, National Chocolate Custard Day and Raspberry
(04:41):
Popover Day.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
And it's Garden Meditation Day.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
So get into your garden, meditate, do all that health
and wellness that forest bathing stuff. Gardens really can put
you in a better place. Take advantage of that Monday,
Star Wars Day, Bird Day, Orange Juice Day. So we
had Lemonade Day on Monday on Sunday, and now we
have Orange Juice Day on Monday. So the powers that
(05:06):
be in the citrus world are duking it out whether
observers Day, Hey Ron Ralphis out there, pay attention.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Or is our weather man.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
He sure is?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Candied Orange Peel Day and self Employment Day, and there's
a lot of self employed gardeners out there. If you
find a good one, keep them happy. Yeah, Tuesday, Cinco
Demayo on Tuesday, Taco Tuesday, Cinco Demayo, the Stars Aligned,
Astronaut Day, Hogi Day, Cartoonist Day, my son is a
(05:41):
cartoonist and totally Chipottele Day, Wednesday, Beverage Day, crape Suit's
that day again, that lobby Thursday, Tourism Day, leg of
Lamb Day, Packaging Design Day. Friday is have a Coke Day,
should be have a coke in a smile Day. But
you know, I don't know how a pro gets in
(06:01):
on this, but they did.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
How does any of this come about it? I don't
know who spend the time to say we should make
a down.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I don't know, but I think it's filthy. I think
there's a lot of behind the st scenes, money exchanging hands,
all kinds of stuff. Because you know, here's coconut cream Day,
cream Pie Day. Also again, you know I like the
I make a.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Mean homemade coconut cream pie, so I support that day.
I won't completely.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I won't believe it until you present me with one.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Oh, I should have saw that before I say that.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It's also Knockout Rose Day, and that is a really
fun story.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Have you heard that?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
The story about them knockout Rose?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
The initial Rockout Rose uh was bred by Will a
man named Will Radler, twenty years into his horticultural degree.
He was a director at I think it's pronounced Boner
Borner Botanic Gardens in Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
He was a horticulturist at that gardens. He crossed care Free,
Broody Beauty, a rose, a very common one. I think
it's still even up there, care Free Beauty, and one
called Razzle Dazzle in his basement with one ceiling showing
exceptional black spot resistance. So he got that out there
(07:18):
and tested. It was released, I think in I don't
have that down. It was released in nineteen ninety nine,
I think, and of course it took over the world,
you know. It suddenly now the ubiquitous rose, the red
rose that you see in gas stations, parking lots, centers
(07:42):
of roads, on many, many yards. It is a fabulous
rose and it deserves the popularity.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
That it has. And then from there he kept breeding.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Of course he's won every kind of metal, but he's
kept breeding, and now there are are eleven roses in
the Knockout brand.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Wow. So a real successful story for our backyard breeder.
And that's really really fun.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
And we need a lot of these really easy to
grow plants for people are just starting to garden, so
they feel success right away, absolutely, and then they're more
inclined to dive right in.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
I mean, if you're not a snob, you know, and
you just saw that rose with that beautiful color that's continuous,
with the ease of growth, the lack of past and
disease issues, it's yeah, there's nothing to not.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Like, you know, gardening should just be happy. We should
be judging people. I can't believe we grew that and
not that just what you like?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Far too much judgment. Yeah, let's go to a commercial
after that lecture. That lecture to be nice to be nice,
Do not judge, do not we will judge, or we
will judge you.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
We will judge you for being judgmental.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Let's go to a break and we'll take that time
to compliment ourselves on our and are brilliance. And after
that we'll talk about some favorite plants. We'll be back
in just a minute. It's let's garden with Scott Burlin
here with Jennifer Smith and we just well, just a
couple of reminders. I want to remind everybody that they
can join the Facebook page in the Garden with Ron
(09:18):
Rothis and friends. All our past shows and also Ron
Wilson's can be found on all the best sources of
podcasts and you can go to a link on the
iHeart app and hear those shows as well. We have
Evelyn on theline, and she has a really good point
to make.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Evelyn, are you there? Good morning?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Yeah, Hi, good morning? Can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I can?
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Good? Good? Well, thank you? If you were coming up
with all the days, well, this is a whole month
of blind disease Awareness month. As I always used to
call Ron Wilson about it, there is a way you know,
if you have edges along your lawn that come up
(10:08):
in weeds. Well, I mean, this is a way of
designing your yard so that the ticks can't cross over
it into your lawn. And there's wonderful websites about it,
like there's one called kick Encounter from the University of
Rhode Island and they show how you can make a
(10:32):
border of well gravel so that the takes will cross
from the edges of your property or your lawn into
you know, the area where they might crawl up on
you and you know, the deer come over and usually
(10:55):
they stay on the edges of the lawn. So if
you had a designed the garden or a designed property,
then you could keep the takes from crossing between that
edge with although we did everything so it's because they.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
They lurk on those taller plants and just wait for
somebody to come by and jump on them exactly.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
So that type of uh, the yard designed is very important,
especially if you could keep the you know, the area
kind of dry and because it takes love moisture, okay,
and keep it sunny. But I wish you'd have somebody
(11:45):
on about it.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Maybe well, yeah, you'll be glad to know.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Joe Bogs is coming on at seven point thirty and
that's the first topic on the list, so we will
talk about that prevention. Uh, you know, the clothing and
the the repellents that you can use, so that will
be good information for folks.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
That's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Thank you, You're certainly welcome. Thank you for your call
and the reminder. I had it on my list and
then I got I passed it over because I had
it in with a bunch of tick information and I
crossed that out when I knew Joe was going to
be on the show. But yeah, we will get to that,
and I appreciate your reminder. So, Jennifer, I have been fortunate.
I should not even say this that I haven't had
(12:30):
a tick issue in my yard so badly.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
I've found a few already this year.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, they're early. I mean that warm weather in April
I think did the trick.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
But also we're climbing in the gardens. Most people aren't
doing that, so if you're out and about, you're probably
over pay.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
But they are becoming more of an issue, and people
need to learn how to wear their clothing and what
to put on their clothing and themselves to protect themselves
and like Evelyn said, you know, we can put you know,
some elements of guard design in there to kind of
help us out with that too.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I love that. I never thought of that. Actually, that's
a really good idea, especially if kids and pets they're
going to be outside a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, why not.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
And speaking of that weather, we got all got a
head fake with those hot days in early April that
pushed everything out. And now you know, the weather is
reminding us that it's watching the calendar even if we're not.
So these these cold nights of frost and potential frost,
you know, caught a lot of people by surprise again
(13:31):
as usual every year.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Every year.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, you think we'd learn limit in Cincinnati, I know.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
And even you know, in the eastern United States everywhere
it could be erratic. The one thing I started thinking about,
you know, the weathermen, the newscasters are always saying, yeah,
we got a frost bringer plants in First of all,
I was thinking, how much human energy is being spent
hauling plants inside and outside and covering plants. I think
(13:58):
if you tap that and refine it, gas would be
a dollar a gallon. I'm pretty sure of that. But
you know, I started thinking, you know, covering isn't just enough.
Covering helps if the soil temperature is warm and you
capture that soil, that warmth and keep your plants happy.
It also helps with escaping what I don't know how
(14:19):
that frost works. Where you know, a clear sky at everything,
all the warmth goes straight up and the cold comes in.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It helps with that.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
But if you have a bunch of tomatoes and sell
packs or little trays or little things on a metal
table outside, covering isn't going to help you at all, doomed.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah, you've got to either put them on the ground,
cover them, or bring them in.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
And I think it's a good idea too for people
if you started seeds to start acclimating them to being outside. Absolutely,
if you went to the greenhouses, because who can resist them, right,
and you have to bring those plants home, but acclimate
them for a while because they've been growing in the
most luxurious condition. Oh and then we toss them out
on our porch and say good luck girls.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Right, yeah, but sun wind.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
So spend the next week kind of getting your plants
accustomed to being outside. Yeah, and you'll get better plants
in the long run. But yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Just remember with a lot of these warm seasoned vegetables
and annuals that soil, temperatures under sixty and fifty five
degrees start to set them back. So if they're out
there and that little cell pack can get down to
fifty five or below really fast, you know, either cover
them up on the ground or in a really good place,
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or just bite the bullet, bring them inside.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
And don't really look at what's happening in your neighbor's yard.
Because we know those microclimates, we can have it beautiful
in Hyde Park. I drive to our office in Milford,
we're very low by water, we hit a wall of
fog and I can have frost there before we have
it in Hyde Park.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yeah, it doesn't surprise me. You know.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I take a lot seen days where the backyard had
frost and the front yard did. Yes, you know, just
like I've had days where the backyard got rained in
the front yard didn't. Have you ever had that happen?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
No, but I have been where it rained at the
condo and not at all park where I really wanted it. Now,
I got to call out the hoses.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
I'm in a rain shadow. I swear to I don't
know why.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I'm on the east side of the city, and I
think maybe that's something about that heat island or whatever.
But you can just watch the weather come in, the
rain come and it just dissipates.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
The worst is when it says it's raining, yeah, and
you look out your window and it's not.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
What can we do about the weather, Jennifer.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Not a darn thing that's dark.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah, it's it's it's bad news.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
And again, like I said, the a vinkas, the tomatoes,
peppers especially, those are the things that you really want
to watch if you have started squash or whatever, which
you probably shouldn't have done. Bring that into coming up,
we'll talk about favorite plants. That's always a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Love that.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Like I said earlier seven point thirty, we have Joe
Boggs joining us.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
He will talk about all the past and disease issues antics,
so that will be good news. You are listening to
Let's Garden with Scott Berline. Good friend Jennifer Smith from
Wimburg Landscaping. A great gardener, just such an enthusiast, just
such a happy person and an enthusiast for gardening and
(17:30):
gardens and.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
You're a force. Oh thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Ron Roth has just tapped in, he said, speaking of
our weather we were talking about last segment. He's got
a quote from Benjamin Franklin. Some people are weather wise,
but most are otherwise.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I think a lot of us are feeling otherwise this week.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
I love Benjamin Franklin. That guy, he had it going on.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
He's just so witty and smart, and you know all
those crazy things he did, flying a kite.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
In a rainstorm.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Plantsman too from.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And the Franklinia, that really great treaty that was discovered
by Bartram, named after his buddy Benjamin Franklin.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
And the only ones in existence, Yeah, because it was
the origins. Origins where that plant was discovered is gone, are.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Gone, and they were gone almost immediately after they were discovered,
because his son went back a decade later and couldn't
find them. Yes, and they've never been seen in the
wild again. So every tree of Franklinia around the world
is only because William Bartram or was it John, I
don't want them. The senior brought it to Philadelphia, gave
(18:44):
it to Benjamin Franklin, send it to England, and it's
in cultivation only because.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Of that, which is a really good reminder that we
should pay attention to plants that are in decline, rare
plants and have more people collect them. Because if only
a handful of people are collecting these plants, what if
something happened in there are or that arboreta.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Or that right, you're absolutely ready.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
To spread them around. So that way, it's just an
insurance policy for us.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
It really is, and it's overlooked way too much.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I do too. Let's talk favorite plants. Franklin is one
of them. It's impossible to grow it. I have killed
it three or four times, so we're not going to
talk about that, even though it's absolutely a stunner.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
It's rare.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
It has all the it checks all the boxes except
growable and so.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Which might explain why it's a little rare.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
That could be it.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I've got to start with one is I think should
be the new Branford pair in the best sense of
the word, the one that's out there a lot. It
should be in so many yards in gardens. Venus dogwood.
It is a hybrid between corniscusa, the Chinese dogwood, and
(19:56):
Cornison tally, which is the dogwood that grows in the
Pacific Northwest, so you would think, well hardiness, I don't know,
you know, it's actually very hearty.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It's extremely vigorous.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Mine got oversprayed by my neighbour's long cair company with
two four D cankered. It is not only covered those wounds,
but it's bloomed every year while doing that.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
The blooms are.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Six five six inches across. They do bloom when it's
in foliage, so it's a little different from a flowering dogwood,
but it is tough and vigorous. It's got that absolutely
amazing flower set. It covers the tree and then good
fall color on top of that. So it's everything you
(20:46):
want in a relatively small tree. Probably tops out at
twenty thirty feet.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
It's something that a lot of people could fit into
their home landscape, which is nice. Yes, they're not going
to worry about a falling on their house, no, which
is nice because that does make some people nervous.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
With our trees, usually without reason.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
But you know, if you're going to have a big
tree removed because you fear it's going to fall in
your house, have an arborist come out look at it
and tell you. They can tell you whether it's a
real risk or not.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Get a couple opinions, because sometimes it could just be
a balance issue. I've talked with a few arbors. They
said the tree is fine, but we just need to
rebalance her. Yeah, so let's Yeah. I always get a
few opinions, but I love the idea of that tree
because easy to grow, takes care of itself. Yeah, we
need more plants like that in the garden, especially as
we want people to add more plants. We need a
lot of plants to just we can plant and almost
(21:35):
forget about it.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, you can't have too many divas in the garden.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
No, and this is a diva in the sense it's
stunningly beautiful but easy at the same time. So what
plant do you have on your list?
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Now?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
It's this is a weird week. I walked around the
gardens and I have summer plants like Baptisia and little
moonshine yarrow and pincushions are blooming. The irises are blooming,
so it's just like, okay, summers here. And then I
go around the corner to the shade garden and it's
Columbine is it? Brunner of Bruneire I think I say
(22:08):
it could be either way. Okay, Still, some pulmon areas
are blooming and it's like, here's this delicate, very feminine
looking shade garden that still feels like really early spring. Yeah,
and then you go to the gravelish garden, it's a
drought garden and that's just screams summer.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
So it's it's kind of what happens when you have
that two weeks of warm weather in April. It pushes
everything together, yes, and it can be absolutely stunning. It
may it compresses things, so you may miss a little
on the tail end, but it's it's really stunning to
see so much in bloom all at the same time.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Baptisiaus look phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I just shared on the Facebook page post the Cincinni
Zoo and Potanical Garden did a reel on Facebook just
of a stunning set of videos and picktures of the
various Baptisia we have in bloom right now. So if
you have a chance to check that out since Ana
Zoo and Botanical Garden facebook page or mine, you can
(23:10):
see that and it's it's it just shows you the
full gamut, the full array of colors. Now, the quality
of these plants, and you were talking a plant that
lives forever, no care.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
They don't flop all the all the boxes get.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Checked and the cool thing is in the spring. If
you wait to clean it up, all those branches kind
of get tangled together like a tumbleweed. So you just
kind of one little snap and all the branches break.
It's very easy, or if.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
You're really lucky, it breaks off on a windy day
and somewhere in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah problem.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Are your salvias blooming in your gardens?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, some of them are actually on the tail end
at the zoo. Others are just hitting their glories. So
there's a little bit of a range on the salvias.
But last week Moulin Room was looking great. Asia Snow,
one of my favorites, was looking great last week and
still this week.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So a lot of good salvia. Is a lot of
new ones that are really good out there too.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, I think it's a good time. If you are
gardening and you go outside you see nothing in bloom.
This is your queue to make a less of your
open spaces. How much sun or shade is it? And
then go to the nursery this weekend and say this
is the void or the blank I need to have,
because there really should be at least twenty things blooming
in your garden right now. Oh and it's not you're
(24:32):
missing out on it. This is such a great time
to be in the gardens. Not too hot, the bugs
aren't out that much exactly, So get some flowers going,
but don't plant them until next week.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
So I want to mention deranium macro horizon. I know
that three or four weeks ago when your cohort, Sarah
Geiger Beam, she mentioned this plant. It's still going strong,
and I want to mention it again because it is
a great ground cover. You're resistant state. I don't know
(25:03):
what do you call it? Eight inches high maybe.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
A foot tops tops.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, and there's so many good well, there's three good varieties.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Bevans.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Bevans variety is these are all old cultivars. I don't
know why more people aren't putting out new ones, but
Bevans variety is really good. Inguison's is also good in
another called spasart. But these are just great care free plants.
Part shade the Sun. It's also one of the parents
of the Cambridge geraniums, which is a geranium cantabrigients, and
(25:41):
that's a lot of good varieties that have the same features,
maybe a little smaller bio Cova, Carmena and Cambridge or
the cultivars. You'll find of that out there. I think
there's some new ones. There's a crystal series, Crystal rose, crystal.
I don't know, but those are good.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
All good plants make for a nice collector's garden.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, these are just great fillers.
You know, they spread really nicely.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
And so you could almost use that as like a
matrix plant. Oh you were doing a matrix garden, but
you weren't that much into like the Carricks's sedges and grasses.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
We're mixing in with those because the taller perennials just
grow up in and around it. So it's really good.
What's next on your list?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
What you know, it's done blooming. But last year I
planted a pass flower and maybe I'm the last person
to grow that, but she bloomed for a month. Seedheads
are beautiful.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I have a joke or pulse to tell a joke.
It's the only one in the world.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
But you start out with it as this beautiful fuzzy
little plant and these fuzzy little flowers and it's like
your chrubic infant. It's just something you want to hug
and cuddle and rub up against your face and you know,
get all emotional about. And then before you know it,
the flowers are gone, and the sea heads are really
(27:00):
high and they're puffballs.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
The seat heads. It's like they've become your your teenager
with weird hair. I'm glad you laugh at not every
not every crowd, not every.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Group of people will understand. Yeah, they understand, Yeah, but
I definitely have to get more.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
And I have had different past flowers, and it's called
past flower because it blooms at Easter and every year,
whether Easter is earlier or late.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
There she is in bloom.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Well she she lived up to the hype. I love it.
I put it in a true gravel garden. So I'll
add a few more. We have on one length of
the building, we have a drought garden, like I don't
water it. That's where the pincushions and the little moonshine
yard are blooming. And then a plant which the native
people will not like, but snow in summer.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Yeah, I've had that before.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
She is very exuberant in growth. But it's super easy.
It dry and he and it's in bloom right now. Yeah,
it's just it's absolutely darling and it just kind of
shakes a little bit in the breeze. And when it's
done blooming, you can edit it as easy as can be.
So it's not a chore to get rid of it.
But I would use caution.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
You know, it spreads in my garden. It disappeared because
it got shaded out. It just got weaker and weaker.
So and like you said, it's not that hard to
just pull. It's not gonna seed around, it's just gonna spread.
I just grew about twenty of them from seed that
I just poted up. Oh really, and look forward to
putting in the garden soon. And you know this dry, sunny,
(28:36):
really hot places. Let's go ahead and take another break.
When we come back, we have more plants. Always really
my favorite part of the programs talking about plants. So
this is always good. So stay tuned. We've got more
good plants for you. You're listening to Let's Garden with
Scott Berline.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Will be right back. News Radio sixteen, Take two. Let's
Garden with Scott Burline. Our number is eight hundred.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Eight two three eighty two fifty five. We got ten
minutes or so left to talk about plants. What's the
next one on your list, Jennifer.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I think we have to say am Sonia.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, and that's been on the list for like four
weeks now. But what a great plant. Just keeps rocking it.
You know, this is not it's great right now, but
it's great all summer with good foliage and form. It
doesn't flop, it moves around in the wind and then
you get fall color when especially with Hubert Dye or
(29:28):
Arkansas Arkansas blue Star.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
It's probably the only plant too in the spring that
I need pruners to cut back because it kind of
has not like filament, but like it's it's almost like celery.
It has all that stringy material in the stems, so
they don't snap. Am Sonia Harperchi doesn't snap as well.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I have never pruned my am sonia. What are you
printing it for.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
In the spring? Why I'm a neat freak. Maybe I
just realize that like everybody else doesn't know that.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
I don't think anyone else.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Because they had such a great form and tidy form
already on its own.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
But in the spring, like last year's foliage is kind
of fall into the side.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
So I've never had a flat Oh yeah, well I
have had rabbits cut off, like bite off a few
of the lower the outer stems, and then they fall over.
But I just pull those away. But interesting, you know,
each their own. Every gardener's different.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Do you cut back like your little blue stems in
the spring?
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Well, we're talking about the little blue oh, the little
blue stems.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Nope, never do that either, So you just let the
new foliages grow up.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
The Oh you mean I cut back the old stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the old stuff, not the news
in the spring cutting back last year's foliage, and it's
kind of fibrous, like it doesn't snap as easily.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I tried cutting that back with a lot more one time,
and it was like a cotton mill. It was just
fiber everywhere. Yeah, no, yeah, it is very fiberus. I
almost wonder if you could make ropes or clothing from it.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Well, that's a good idea.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I wonder we could get a patent on that, we
could get started. We'd be rich, really rich, will be
one hundreds we think that invention we could quit all
this gardening stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
We could.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
We would never quit gardening. We would use the proceeds
from the invention to buy more plants.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yeah, sit back and watch a gardener take care of
them and just enjoy the gardens.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
That's what I will.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Would not happen.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
No, I could never leave it alone. I'd be out
there working.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Other people touching your plants. I don't know about. I
don't know, but yeah, so yeah in last year's foldge
cleaning that up one a few times, I have to
use a pruner, which is great gardening if you only
need one garden tool. Who's not into that?
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Right?
Speaker 2 (31:44):
But the cali Caanthus am I saying that?
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Right?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:48):
What is the common sweet shrub?
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I think it is sweet shrub? Yeah? Great native?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yes, has uh really nice glossy foliage, that funky looking bloom.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
It's a very primitive plant. It's from dinosaur times.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Deep burgundy, deep burgundy.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Some are fragrant in a nice way, some are fragrant
in a not so nice way.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Some aren't fragrant at all.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
But the flowers are nice and then fall color can
be pretty good on it, and in course anywhere deep
shade out into full sun.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Ours is in pretty much full sun, doesn't really get
any extra watering. It has really good soil. We planted it.
I honestly forget about it. Yes, it's in having to
take care of it, right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah, And mine isn't in a place where I tend
to forget about it. Even in bloom. It's just very functional.
But if you take the time and look at it,
it's very attractive.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
I think it's one of those plants that people should
put on their calendar to go check on them, because
you could forget it, and you hate to miss those
blooms and they're not garish and over the top and
kind of screaming, come look at me.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
No, it's a parent of aphrodite, along with the Chinese calicanthus, yes,
and those. That's a shout out out plant with big
showy flowers, a great big shrub like talking ten twelve
feet easy. You know, it uses up some space. But
it's a nice plant too, really nice plant. I have
(33:14):
been struck by one a willow actually at the zoo
since a zoo and botanical gardens or since botanical garden, zoo,
whatever you prefer on that, but anyway, it's a willow
called iceberg alley or sage leaf willows. It grows three
to six feet tall and wide according to the label.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
So willow, should we say six to ten feet there?
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I don't know what we should say, but that's what
the label says. It's a first edition's plant. But it's
got great silvery foliage. It really shows up. It really
shows up all summer long too. And then it has
silver catkins on red stems, very showy. Again, can take
full sun. It does like moisture, as you would expect
(34:00):
with the willow.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
But you know what, we have some willows that aren't
in areas that hold a lot of moisture. In fact,
one's kind of raised up against a wall. I don't
even think if I turn the irrigation on it hits it. Yeah,
they're perfectly fine.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, willows can be that way. There's so many species
of willow. Technically, traditionally, I think most of them do
like moisture, but not all of them. There's a you know,
mountaintop willows. It's an enormous genus of different species, and
I only know a little bit. I got a book
one time, and it was just it was overwhelming and
(34:33):
so much that I kind of stopped it.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
I was kind of like, I'm going to learn all
the asters.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah, no, you're not got to mention that the yellow
woods too, right, and they're kind of finishing up for us.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
But this was their year there and every other year
tree and from what I can tell, almost all of
them are in the same year. So whether you have
one here at your home, it's zoo in Columbus and Texas.
If you got a yellowood, it's probably blooming this year
and will not next year. We have the species at
(35:07):
the zoo and it's looking looking great. There look really
good down at spring Grove. And there's a pink version
called Perkins Pink that's pretty pretty cool too.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
That would be cool. This is a good time of
the year to go to.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
The zoo, any botanical.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Garden and spring Grove and really study the trees and shrubs,
because I think that is something that new gardeners have
a difficult time working in trees and shrubs to study them. Now,
make room for it, even if you aren't ready to
plant it yet, but just put that space aside for it.
So when you are ready to purchase your tree and shrub.
You've got a spot for it.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
The form is so important, and you can't see the
form in a pot in the nursery, so you're really
going out and seeing how they grow in real life,
what they look like. You know, what's kind of sighting
they need. You know, the label kind of gives you
an idea, but seeing them in NC tube at a
at a botanical garden or arboretum or whatever is really
(36:04):
the way to go with shrubs, but also with perennials.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, and some of these shrubs would make a great
privacy fence. It doesn't have to be a solid line
of evergreens. We just need to fuzz that view. So
these shrubs might do a great job.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
When we come back, we're going to talk with Irvin Htn.
Are you excited about that?
Speaker 2 (36:21):
I'm very excited.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
I am too.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Irvin is a horticulturist at Newfields in Indianapolis.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Great gardener, you're gonna like it. You're listening to Let's
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