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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, Good morning, Scott, Good morning, Mark Wessell. How
you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
A bright bush right ayed and bushtail raid role here yep.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Here we are.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Chipper today.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I'm not it's too early, it's too hot. We'll talk
about both those things later. But yeah, you're listening to
Let's Garden with Scott Berlin. I am here with Mark
Wessel chi for a culturist with gardens Alive, which is Gurnees,
Michigan ball Bricks, spring Hill Nurseries.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, cavan borgandin Michigan bab is not a thing anymore.
Oh that's right, that's right, Yeah, spring Hill he got
absorbed in. Yeah, so welcome, thanks, Yeah, good to be here.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
We have I think a fun show for today. Well
we've got Joe Box coming at eight o'clock. Yeah, you
have questions already for don't you. Yeah, in questions Yeah, fungus,
fungus among us, all those things. And just to let
you know, uh ron rothis is out there on Facebook
with in the Garden. Go check them out, all the
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all the friends there. If you need to reach me,
reach out to me at my iHeart email address. Scott Berlin,
that's b E U E R L E I am
at iHeartMedia dot com and we are working on a website.
We'll have it sooner or later, but for now, that's
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a good way to reach me if you have questions, concerns, ideas,
any any kind of feedback.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
With questions and concerns.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
No, no, not yet. I'm waiting. I'm hoping. Actually, I
guess you're perfect.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Mark Wessell. How would you're from the country, you grew
up in New Richmond. How would uh country folk such
as yourself refer to this weather we are having right now?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Well, let me take this straw out of my head, Timothy,
out of my mouth here and tell you now just
like you would it.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Is it a real scorcher.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It's a real scorcher. And I don't know, boy, it's bad.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
We're in the heart of it.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
We're in Cincinnati, Ohio, and it's all around, like from
Kansas City all the way down to Washington, d C.
Washington sounds absolutely miserable. One hundred and seven or something
today with.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
The heating X. Yeah, yeah, I have a problem with
heat index. Just give us the temperature and then you
go outside. You know how bad it feels.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
No, I think the heat in dex is very important
because you know, you go out in one hundred and
seven in Arizona, it's a lot different than one hundred
and seven. Well, like the real temperature in Arizona, one
oh seven is way more comfortable than one hundred degrees
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here with the heat amidity, so it's kind of like adjusting.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Kind of kind of. But we're not in Arizona, and
they always say, oh that dry heat, which is nice
to have dry heat. When it's over one hundred out there,
bad and it's it's like you're in an oven.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I was out there once when I was one hundred
and thirteen.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Ouch.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You do not want to be wearing shorts and sit
on a seat belt buckle. You're branded for life. What
ranch are you from. I'm from the Ford seat belt buckle,
you know. Oh man, Yeah, it's pretty bad. So yeah,
this heat, man, And I was looking it up. I
was looking at a few things, and we're at one
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hundred and five with the heat index whatever somewhere in
there one those seven.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
People just saying it's a real scorch.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It's a real scuorter, whether you're in the country or
the city. But anyway, you know, the surface of the
sun is ten thousand degrees.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
You don't hear those folks complain, No, you never do.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
That's only ninth was an eight hundred and ninety five
degrees different than what we're experiencing right now.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
That's all relatively Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
You know it may be because you know, that might
sound like a lot, but it's actually uh more, it's
actually more than I have saved up for retirement. Yeah,
what else is going on here?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Mark?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I think let's just dive right into the national days
of you know why we do this to kill time,
to kill time, and because this I think this is
the kind of stuff that smart people know and I
want to feel smart sometimes.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, not all the time, but sometimes. All right, Yeah,
so you're ready for these I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
So it's a new month.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, I ran through you again.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
You didn't listen to the last week's show because I
ran through because it was the end of June starting July.
But yeah, we'll run through the month of because it
is only July fourth, and I always run through the
months of anyway. So July is the month of fragile
X Awareness month, and I didn't look it up. It's
probably something to do with health, mental health, I would guess. Yeah,
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it's Disability Pride month, Independent Retailer month, so get to
your independent garden center.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Cell Phone courtesy month. Oh I know you are very
courteous with your cell phone.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I am. Oh, don't get started on the cell phones.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Okay, that's a good warning. Contract showing month. I actually
looked this up. So it's recognizing seamstresses, machine operators, engineers,
quality specialists who produce every day apparel, medical devices, seatbelts,
and military gears. So a lot of that, I thought, well, close, right,
but then yeah, that makes sense. Some medical devices, you know,
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and military big bucket there. It is a big bucket
one I hadn't thought of before. It's Hemp month, Anti
Boredom Month, Culinary Arts month. Now here's the fun part. Okay,
so just hang with me. This is really clever. It's
also National Picnic Month, which of course makes sense for July,
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right except during a heat wave Picnic month, So what
are you gonna do during picnic month? You're gonna grill.
It's National grilling Month. What are you gonna grill? When
you grow hot dogs? It's a National hot dog month.
You want something to eat with your hot dog. Why
not baked beans. It's National Baked Beans Month. Wow, maybe
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you want a little extra oomf in your beans. So
it's National horse Badish Month. It's also National Blueberry and
Peach Month, so you can have those fruit with your
your your hot dogs and beans. And if you want
desserted it's National ice cream Month as well. It's pretty amazing.
It's really well done.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, yeah, very clever, Scott.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I worked hard on that. I just put it all.
I like, I saw the the narrative there, and I
just worked on it. And it took a while. Like
I had ice cream first, No, no, no, that's not right.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I moved it and I thought it came out well good. Yeah,
thank you. This week of July, it's be nice to
Jersey Week.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I like New Jersey. I've never had a problem state
Pine Barons.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Pine Baron's really cool, Flora incredible. Yeah, and I just
like East Rutherford because that's where I stay when I
go to New York City. Oh it's cheap, you know,
one hundred and fifty for a hotel versus seven hundred
in Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Ouch.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, and a six dollar bus ride and you're at
what do they call it? The Port authority in twenty minutes. Wow,
it's really good bus ride. Yeah, okay, the sixty three
bus if I remember it. Let's take our first break
and then we'll go into the days of So you
are listening to Let's Garden with Scott Berlin. I'm here
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with Mark Wessel. We will be back in just a
few minutes and with Mark Wessel couty, Good morning, Mark.
We're just about to launch into the days of the
week of July fourth, July fourth being a major American holiday,
and I'm just fussing with my wire here because my
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headphones keep cutting out.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It's annoying, disruptive, sort of like you.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
All right, Saturday July fourth National What was Independence Day
two hundred and fifty years?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Wow, I know, I remember two hundred years.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I remember that celebration. It was. It was really cool.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I remember, especially the tall ships through New York Harbor.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I think they're doing that at this time too, I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, pretty cool stuff anyway. July fourth is also Alice
in Wonderland Day, Caesar Salad Day, named after Caesar Cardini,
an Italian American chef who invented the dish in Tijuana, Mexico.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
In nineteen twenty four Tijuana.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, he lived in San Diego, but he had a
restaurant on Tijuana and he was running out of food.
He didn't want to turn customers away, so he improvised
and made.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
The first Caesar.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
The rest is history.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
The rest is history. Apparently everybody must have loved it.
They carried him around on their shoulders, they all through
their hats in the air.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I wonder if it was his version is different than
what we do now at all.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, I've always been confused about what it is in
first place, but now I know because they ran.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Up on it.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
So good.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Top of park day.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
So that's basically park hopping, explored the parks in your area.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Which is a good idea.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Barbecue spare Ribs Day, that's something you can put on
the grill. You're pretty darn good.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Do they come in vegan?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
No, and anything that the that's vegan that looks like
spare ribs is probably not very good.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, it's just bad news. July fifth, tomorrow Bikini Day.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
All right now you're talking.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yep, because it's also Hawaii Day.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Two.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Seem like they go hand and a Workaholics Day and
a couple of baked treats days, and you know how
I feel about this.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
But Graham Cracker Day and Apple Turnover Day.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Oh I love graham crackers growing up with milk, right, yeah, yeah,
the best, sometimes with peanut butter on them.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Oh, never did that? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah. Monday National Fried Chicken Day, hand Roll Day, air
traffic control day, so all the air traffic controllers can take.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
The day off.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
It's Clary Hue Day. Now.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
This celebrates a whimsical biographical poems honors Edmund Clarie Hugh Bentley,
who invented the forum when he was sixteen years old.
The rules are must be four lines long. It follows
an aabb rhyme scheme. First line must consist of a
person's name, and the rest shares a fact or humorously
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slightly nonsensical observation about them.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
And I wrote one about you.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I figure wrote something I did.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Mark Wessell, Okay, let's start over. Mark Wessell of National
gardening fame has a tasty tomato that carries his name.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Oh, it is be labeled.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I don't know if that's a real word, but I
liked it. It is belabeled. Marcus Wessell's Purple Pride in
like Mark. It's a little odd looking but sweet inside.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Thin skinned as well, thin skinned.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Thank you, Danny, thank you and our crowd. Ah. What
is it?
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Tuesday, July seventh, Rock and Roll rock and Roll Day,
National Macaroni Day, Dive bar Days, Strawberry Sunday Day, Coy Day,
as in the fish and father daughter take a walk day.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
It's like take a walk. That's the mother.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Saying you to take a walk. Wednesday, July eighth, Freezer
pop Day. We could use that today, really, but all right,
we'll wait till Wednesday. Chocolate with almonds Day, scud Day,
That's what I thought at first. It's a day away
from stressful conflicts, gossip and lighthearted silliness.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So what's the point of that.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I don't know. I don't know. I enjoy stressful conflicts
and gossiping.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Raspberry Day so we can grow. You're a good raspberry grower.
And Cucumber Soliday. And is there nothing more refreshing in
the summer and the heat than.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
A cucumbers epitome of refreshing.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's so good? Is good?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
And a cucumber sandwich that's a new one. To me,
that's pretty good too. July ninth, Thursday, National Sugar Cookie
Day and Dimples Day. What about us that don't have dimples?
What are we supposed to do just to honor those
with dimples? Go look, go looking for them.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
In the dimple.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah. People, I never understood why they're so cute. Anyway,
I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Friday, July tenth, Kitten Day, National Kitten Day, National French Friday,
Peanut Colauta Day.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Now you're talking in summertime, drink Chronic Disease Day. I
think they should have were you know, reword that in
the Chronic Disease Awareness Day or something.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
But just coming on, I had.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Them coming on Car Collector Appreciation Day and pick Blueberry's Day.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
You had something you wanted to add speaking of blueberries.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Well related to the New Jersey day whatever, be nice. Yeah,
that's I mean, the native folks that were on the
continent were big forgers of blueberries and cranberries. But in
New Jersey that's where blueberry cultivation originated.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah. They select sandy acid soil.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah. Yeah, and they select it out of the wild,
you know, in the pine barrens area. Okay, and you
know big big cranberry growers there too.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Huh Mark.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
During the break, I pulled up some things about best
practices for heat safety. I think we should run through, okay.
Number one, Hydrate Strategically drink about sixteen ounces before you
work out in the heat, and five to seven ounces
every fifteen to twenty minutes. Avoid alcohol. Really I don't, okay,
never heard that before. I might answer a few things.
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Excessive camfee avoid it, and energy drinks as they contribute
to dehydration. Acclimatize your body. If you're new to a
hot work environment or returning after time off, build your tolerance.
Gradually limit your exposure to one to two hours, and
increase over the first week.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Dress for the environment.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Counterintuitively, covering up with loose, lightweight clothing, even your arms
and legs, is good for you to It keeps you
cooler because it keeps direct cent off your skin. Try
to work in the morning and evening as much as
you can, and put a damp cloth around your neck
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or wrists to help you cool down as necessary.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Important, very important.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Recognize the illness symptoms, so stay alert for such things
as heavy sweating or no sweating, dizziness, headaches, or nausea,
severe confusion, slurred speech, or lack of sweat all indicate
heat stroke, which is a serious medical situation requiring nine
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to one.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
One could call if you're feeling those things. Absolutely don't
mess aroun.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I've heard some real hard, real horror stories that are
quite bad. So people have gone, like really healthy people
who've had heatstroke and went into comas and yeah, yeah,
it can be lasting damage to you too.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
So you know, I think we're supposed to pop out
of this heat sort of Monday.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
By Monday, yeah, yeah, so you know, if you can
put off the work, do it.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
If you can put off anything till some other day,
I'm all for it.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
That sounds like the best advice I ever heard. You know.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I always wonder how roofers, you know, I mean you're
talking about and construction workers, especially road workers, how how
they handle this because those are hot places, much hotter
than like the Nbent temperature round.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
So anyway, when we come back, we will talk about
some of our favorite plants.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Right now, we've got Joe Boggs joining us at eight o'clock.
We'll talk about that. In the seven o'clock hour, we're.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Going to talk about all kinds of things with the
fourth of July and plants and we want your calls
eight hundred eighty two three eighty two fifty five will
be right back. You're listening to that's garden with Scott Berline.
That's me, and across from me is Mark Wessel five
Gardens Alive, chief horticulturist. That's right, and one of those
people that knows well you knew new and loved plants
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as a little kid.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yes, I grew up loving plants and animals and insects.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah. And you're you're you're basically a naturalist.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, that's my base.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
And uh, but yet you know pretty much all there
is about horticulture too. I mean across the board you
no ornamental horticulture.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You worked as a state a state gardener. Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Well, you know, the great thing is, I mean I
do have a broad base of knowledge, but I don't
know everything. That's what's so good about it. There's so
much to learn.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
With the culture, with gardening.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
It's like the more you learn, the more you realize
how much left there is.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
And sometimes you learn that you weren't always learning the
proper things, and you.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Were so sure about it at the time. Yeah, that's
that's happened on like one occasion with me. Let's talk
about our favorite plants right now, Mark, you want to start.
Do you want me to do a bigger list? I
do have a bigger list because once again you did
not do your homework. Well, you're a busy man. You've
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got responsibilities apart from this. My name's on the show,
you're not yours. It's like, let's got the check. Yeah
that too, so okay to start it off, I'm going
to list in this. In the midst of this heat dome,
heat wave, whatever else. All the cool terms they have, now,
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what was it? What do they call it? The winter thing?
The Arctic.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Vortex.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
We'll call this the tropical vortex. Okay, Yeah, anyway, shade trees.
Can't live without them, can't. Yeah, we need more of
them all the time. Young gardeners, new homeowners, plant more trees,
big ones, big ones that will make shade.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
No kidding. It's amazing. When I'm out driving, you're on
the asphalt, Like I'm watching my temperature gauge outside temperatures
not quite accurate, but yeah, I'm in on the highways
and it's registering like one hundred and two and then
I get into Camargo Road between Madisonville and Madeira, Yeah,
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and it's all yeah, like two miles of tree canopy
and yesterday the temperature dropped eleven degrees.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
That's a big difference. I used to know.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
For like one brief shining six month moment, I had
a motorcycle and when you're riding a motorcycle out and
you go through areas with shade and then you're out
in the sun, you notice it immediately and you know
the Okay, So the new homeowners need to get those
trees in the ground now because they take time to grow.
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The other thing is old homeowners who I don't know
what happens to people, but they become it's a symptom
of growing old as you're afraid of trees falling on
your house, which can be a thing. But before you
just have the tree removed, have someone that's good, a
certified arbist, come look at it and tell you if
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it's a dangerous tree or not, because most times they're not.
And the difference. I sat with a woman when I
landscaped who had a big tree removed in her front
yard because she was afraid of it falling on her house.
I couldn't talk her out of it, and I sat
with her while she cried after that tree was gone,
because not only the difference in shade, but just the
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look of the house, the way it all felt was
all different.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Did you say I told you so?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I didn't good. Yeah, I felt like the timing wasn't right.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
It's a bummer. It's sad to see those big trees go,
especially when they don't need.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
To exactly, and you see it a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
And there's probably like little squirrels looking on.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Yeah, and to come from and an unethical guy with
a truck and a chainsaw who's breaking in money he
doesn't deserve.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, there's a lot of good tree people out there,
a lot of them, and some listening right now. I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I'm positive of it.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
And a good way to know the weed the best
from the rest is whether they're certified or not. You know,
not to say that uncertified people aren't. Some of them
aren't good. But if they're good and uncertified, I don't
understand why they just don't.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Take the step and become certified.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Speaking of trees Aserta terrakum hot wings, I mentioned it
good four to six weeks ago because the samaras, the wings,
the helicopters on this maple are red.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
They're still blazing red. It looks like it's in bloom.
It is.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
It's a pretty cool plant I saw just the other day.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, striking again and again.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, it's pretty rare, but I'm seeing more of it
and it always looks great. Aphrodite callicanthus. What is that
the common name on callicanthus. It's spice shrub or something
sweet sweet trub, sweet trub.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, is aphrodite, the white one.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Aphrodite is the it's a red. It's the hybrid.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
There's heartledge wine and then there's aphrodite and aphrodite. Heartledge
wine is is earlier and it's done and aphrodite is
still kicking.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
So both are really good. It's just aphrodities a little
bit later.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Interesting group of plants. You know. It was kind of
relegated to plant collector's plant. Yeah, you know, geeky people.
But you're seeing it more and more.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It's a tough shrub. It gets big, probably twelve feet
minimum round tall.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
It is Aphroditi fragrant.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Not really.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Oh they're good too, but it's dareproof. It's shade tolerant.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
It's pretty much everything you'd want in a big shrub
gray for screening.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Blooming in your yard.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah, and at the Zoo Sin Sing Zoo and Pottical
Garden where I work, the hydrogen peniculatas are coming in.
I noticed the other day Firelight and Pinky Winky both
in full bloom.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Pinky Winky. Yeah, they're getting earlier and earlier with their
bloom on though.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, and these aren't even the earliest ones. Yeah, yeah,
these are mid early. I guess you would say.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
It brings me to a point. Sometimes they push the
seasons on things and they suddenly get out of place,
like those super early.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
They feel weird early on. I mean, I guess there's.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Uses for them, but I guess we'll get used to it.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I was just thinking the other day, that's like they've
got to be more careful how they picked their names,
like pinky Winkies. It's just can you imagine, you know,
landscaper on the phone, you know, give me a hundred
more of them pinky winkies.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
That's embarrassing for that person.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
To even say, yeah, you know, and it's like, uh,
and get them complaining like, you know, uh, ninety of
them look great, but ten of them look like crap.
I'm refusing them. You got to send me ten more,
you know, I demand the best pinky winkies you got. Yeah,
I think you know, they think in terms of homeowners,
but landscapers they have trouble with names like that like Bobo. Yeah,
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I need one hundred and fifty bobos or I don't
know some of these other names. Just anyway, what's your
It's time for you?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Oh yeah, oh, Scott. The Echinasha are just incredible.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
The cone flowers seems like a good year.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I mean, I'm not, They're just all of them look great.
Just your classic purple cone flowers, you know, tall, classic
great plant. I visited the Rochdale Academy. Yeah, man in
Tennessee Ensis.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
That's a cute little plant.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I was noticing at Rockdale literally last week that the
series Cheyenne Spirit uh not series, but seed String is
really looking great.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
It's been there for a while.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Sometimes with Echinasia they kind of revert back when seedlings
come up and you don't know what you're getting. But
with that series, it seems the whole steady pretty well.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, sure has been a lot. Echinasia has really such
a transformation from when I started.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, man, you know that one series, I think the
Sombrero series. It is just the colors are.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
On real, they are.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
I'm going to mention Rubus odoratus, which is fragrant raspberry.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
It's a native.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I saw it growing on a cliff side in a
state park in New York and I was blown away
because I didn't realize that's where it naturally grows. I
guess it's adaptive, but it's doing great in my yard
in pretty heavy shade. It kind of dwindled down a
little bit over the last couple of years, I think
because of the droughts.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
But this year, with the cool spring and the rain,
just lush and beautiful, big maple like leaves.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Quite attractive foliage plant.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, and the flower is pretty too.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I don't know where odoratus comes from because I never
detect a sect from the flower, but it's a big
i'd say, what a silver dollar sized flower. Kind of
a pink pink yeah, classic rose family plant. Mine is
growing in really heavy shade, but I think it takes
it takes full sun well to I do and supposedly
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it's edible, but it's always sort of dry and it's
not really edible as far as I can tell.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
What else you got?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Oh, the butterfly weed, just driving down the highway. Yeah,
that's looking good. The orange orange milk weed.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Did you find that one? Hard to establish? But once,
I mean, it's one of those plants. Once you establish it,
it's there for life. But it's I've had hit or
miss luck.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, I've planted it several times, and you know, suspect
areas to start with.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, because you know that's what it likes.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And you know I haven't. I haven't planned much of
that one.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I haven't either.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I just enjoyed along the roads and in the fields.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, yeah, me too. And if you mow the.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Field, which is unfortunate, but I know this from where
I grew up, after it's finished, it'll flush again and
bloom kind of late summer.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
That bloom is really showy. It is.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
And of course it's a monarch coast plant and attracts
all kinds of pollinators when.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
It's Yeah, yeah, there's always butterflies. Good one stuff on it.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Speaking of attracting pollinators, I've got agastaki some people say
Agastash Sash. I don't know either. Blue Fortune. All the
blue ones are pretty good, Blue Fortune, Blue bo Blue
black Adder. I find that they return your toe'.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Very reliable in our area.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, and you don't want to give them too much
love or they'll flop. To put them in heavy you know,
dry soil, full sun. Don't give them a lot of
water and fertilizer, and they stay up right pretty well.
And man, the poloneers just love them, and they do
you stay bloom for pretty long.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Some of those other more western native ones they do
great here if you give them the proper drain each
and all. Sometimes you'll lose them.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
But yeah, I find those to be either short lived
or just not adapted to heavy clay.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
They're very beautiful.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
But there's one you can't get too attached to, right, Yeah.
And the leatris are just coming on. So Spakata blaze,
what is that blazing star? Yeah, and one that more
people should be growing is leatris pick no steaky or
prairie blazing star.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
They're both really.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Good interesting plants. And scott If you want to see
incredible display in nature, head east on thirty two and
go visit Chaparral Prairie. Okay, oh my goodness. They have
a few species there and just yeah gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Ah good, I mean yeah, And they're tall, prairie like plants.
You want to put them in with other plants where
they can help them, help them stand up.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, because they can get especially in their youth, they
can get kind of floppy.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
And yeah, yeah, tell you what, Mark, We've got to
take a break. We'll do that and when we come
back we'll finish out with our favorite plants. Right now
on this July fourth Independence Day edition of Let's Garden
with Scott Berlin, stay with us. We're listening to Let's
Garden with Me Scott Berlin, and I'm here with my
friend Mark wessel And who works at Gardens Alive as
(29:56):
their chief horticulturists. And those you might remember, all those labels,
all those catalogs are Gurnees, Rex Rex, spring Hill, spring
Hill More. Actually, what's the new end the gardens Gardeners supply. Yeah,
really a good source of tools.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, they have a really nice line of stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
We real quality, have a good stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Brought in a lot of the line and you know
they're in Vermont and yeah, we moved shipping here. We
we fulfill out of our warehouse in Fairfield, Fairfield, Okay, yeah,
and uh, very nice stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah, I need to look at that catalog.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
I've still have a lot of tools that are ordered
from them pretty long ago. Really good stuff. We are
talking favorite plants right now. Oh by the way, at
about seven o'clock maybe a little later, we're gonna start
talking about plants gardeners in the fourth of July.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
And hopefully take some calls.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
And we really want your calls.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
So if you have stories about trees, anything to do
with patriotism or red, white and blue flowers or those things,
we want to hear from you, or anything else or
anything question. Yeah, yeah, don't make us peg, especially Mark.
It doesn't look good on him.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I get paid by the question.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Right, So that number is eight hundred eighty three eighty
two fifty five, eight hundred eighty three eighty two to
fifty five holes to start taking his calls around about seven. Anyway,
we got to wrap up our favorite plants because we
both have a lot of them. I wanted I know
one that you don't tend to care for. I have
a bit of a more of appreciation for it, But
(31:33):
Poroskia Russian sage. It's a poor man's midsummer like hot
humid person's lavender, sort of has that fragrance of the
foliage and everything and sort of the same look.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
The problem with.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
It is it tends to flop in a lot of
inhumid or wet areas with heavy soils, good soil or
anything you know, less than Siberian conditions, basically so. But
they've come out with a lot of smaller ones that
hold better, hold up better, and this year, I don't
know what it is, if it's because there's more of
those out there now or with the weather of the
(32:10):
way it's been. But the Perevski is looking so good
right now.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Well they are, I have to admit, Yeah, there, curudgeon,
I am about the plant. I'm appreciating it.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
And we are recording this right, yeah we are, so yeah, Okay,
But listen to this list of selections. Denim and lace
Sage Advice, Blue Jean, Baby, little Lace, Little Spire, Blue Spire,
Crazy Blue Blue, Steel, rocket Man Lungen, Blue Spritzer, Philogran, Superba,
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Pika Blue Blue. I'm sure there's more. I'd say all
of those came out in the last five years, except
for maybe two or three. It just goes to show
when a plant catches on and it's such a useful
plant for landscapers, parking lots, that's.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Where it really looks pretty. Yeah, you know, it's tough, hot, dry, Yeah,
where nobody takes good care of them.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Cars run over them and things like that. Great one
for polliniers too, tracks quite a few things. My great
cone flower Rebeccia maximus, still kicking it. It's probably been
five four or five weeks.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
It's impressive plan. Yeah, I don't have a spot for it,
but I enjoy it in other gardens.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah, you have to have a full sun sight. Again,
it probably prefers to be sort of hot and dry.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I remember seeing that in its native habitat in the
black Land Prairies of Texas. It has, you know, kind
of limited range and oh okay, it's been really cool
to see it out in nature.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yeah, it's a tall When it's about six to eight
feet tall, blue bluish foliage, it sort of looks cabbagey
like a basil and malaucus glaucus gray blue. Yeah, and
then shoots up a stem and then I think it's
usually just one flower per stem.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
It's a wapp or flower, so it's a big foul flower.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
And then it with a big brown seedhead that the
birds also flocked after it ripens.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
You have something else, Oh, goat speard, goat, sir a
runcus man, that thing. It's just always I don't grow it.
But I was looking back on some pictures. It's blooming
right now, like if you go to Shawnee or you
see it in the gorge, like you'll be driving on
those roads and it'll be this big clump will be
(34:22):
hanging off the side of a cliff. You know, it's
it's interesting because it's nearly a shrub.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yeah, yeah, I might finish blooming about two weeks ago
at least, but yeah, I love it. And you know
that's one if you can put it where it catches
the evening sun.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Oh yeah, where it just yeah, you might have had
a photograph of that.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Right, Did I put it on Facebook?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, it just lights it up, just lights it up. Yeah.
It's another pretty big plant, a.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Big plant, which you know everything's going small. We have
a full size perennial.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, people are shying away from bigger perennials, even when
they can fit them in their garden.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
This is a problem. I think it's needs needs fixing.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Mark, I know, but you know when you're you're in
the industry, it has to fit on the rack.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
On the rack, because that's what the people need to
go in knowing their plants a little bit better. I'm
gonna mention the Blue Annual, Salvius Blue Annual for us,
but sometimes there even now for us, sometimes they come
back as a perennial. But like won Garannittka, like black
(35:30):
and Blue, Rhythm and Blues, Black and Blue, just stunning
annuals that attract pollinators like nothing else. Yeah, and along
that there's the hybrid kind called Mystic Spires Blue and
Big Blue, which are both.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Very very good too. Yes, you gotta go to break Mark.
When we come back.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
It will finish up a few more plants, and then
we'll get into the holiday Fourth of July and gardening
and plants. You're listening to Let's Garden with Scott Berlin
Back
Good morning, Good morning, Scott, Good morning, Mark Wessell. How
you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
A bright bush right ayed and bushtail raid role here yep.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Here we are.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Chipper today.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I'm not it's too early, it's too hot. We'll talk
about both those things later. But yeah, you're listening to
Let's Garden with Scott Berlin. I am here with Mark
Wessel chi for a culturist with gardens Alive, which is Gurnees,
Michigan ball Bricks, spring Hill Nurseries.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Yeah, cavan borgandin Michigan bab is not a thing anymore.
Oh that's right, that's right, Yeah, spring Hill he got
absorbed in. Yeah, so welcome, thanks, Yeah, good to be here.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
We have I think a fun show for today. Well
we've got Joe Box coming at eight o'clock. Yeah, you
have questions already for don't you. Yeah, in questions Yeah, fungus,
fungus among us, all those things. And just to let
you know, uh ron rothis is out there on Facebook
with in the Garden. Go check them out, all the
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all the friends there. If you need to reach me,
reach out to me at my iHeart email address. Scott Berlin,
that's b E U E R L E I am
at iHeartMedia dot com and we are working on a website.
We'll have it sooner or later, but for now, that's
(01:29):
a good way to reach me if you have questions, concerns, ideas,
any any kind of feedback.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
With questions and concerns.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
No, no, not yet. I'm waiting. I'm hoping. Actually, I
guess you're perfect.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Mark Wessell. How would you're from the country, you grew
up in New Richmond. How would uh country folk such
as yourself refer to this weather we are having right now?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Well, let me take this straw out of my head, Timothy,
out of my mouth here and tell you now just
like you would it.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Is it a real scorcher.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It's a real scorcher. And I don't know, boy, it's bad.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
We're in the heart of it.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
We're in Cincinnati, Ohio, and it's all around, like from
Kansas City all the way down to Washington, d C.
Washington sounds absolutely miserable. One hundred and seven or something
today with.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
The heating X. Yeah, yeah, I have a problem with
heat index. Just give us the temperature and then you
go outside. You know how bad it feels.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
No, I think the heat in dex is very important
because you know, you go out in one hundred and
seven in Arizona, it's a lot different than one hundred
and seven. Well, like the real temperature in Arizona, one
oh seven is way more comfortable than one hundred degrees
(02:59):
here with the heat amidity, so it's kind of like adjusting.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Kind of kind of. But we're not in Arizona, and
they always say, oh that dry heat, which is nice
to have dry heat. When it's over one hundred out there,
bad and it's it's like you're in an oven.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I was out there once when I was one hundred
and thirteen.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Ouch.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
You do not want to be wearing shorts and sit
on a seat belt buckle. You're branded for life. What
ranch are you from. I'm from the Ford seat belt buckle,
you know. Oh man, Yeah, it's pretty bad. So yeah,
this heat, man, And I was looking it up. I
was looking at a few things, and we're at one
(03:40):
hundred and five with the heat index whatever somewhere in
there one those seven.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
People just saying it's a real scorch.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It's a real scuorter, whether you're in the country or
the city. But anyway, you know, the surface of the
sun is ten thousand degrees.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
You don't hear those folks complain, No, you never do.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
That's only ninth was an eight hundred and ninety five
degrees different than what we're experiencing right now.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
That's all relatively Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
You know it may be because you know, that might
sound like a lot, but it's actually uh more, it's
actually more than I have saved up for retirement. Yeah,
what else is going on here?
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Mark?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I think let's just dive right into the national days
of you know why we do this to kill time,
to kill time, and because this I think this is
the kind of stuff that smart people know and I
want to feel smart sometimes.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, not all the time, but sometimes. All right, Yeah,
so you're ready for these I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
So it's a new month.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, I ran through you again.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
You didn't listen to the last week's show because I
ran through because it was the end of June starting July.
But yeah, we'll run through the month of because it
is only July fourth, and I always run through the
months of anyway. So July is the month of fragile
X Awareness month, and I didn't look it up. It's
probably something to do with health, mental health, I would guess. Yeah,
(05:18):
it's Disability Pride month, Independent Retailer month, so get to
your independent garden center.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Cell Phone courtesy month. Oh I know you are very
courteous with your cell phone.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
I am. Oh, don't get started on the cell phones.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Okay, that's a good warning. Contract showing month. I actually
looked this up. So it's recognizing seamstresses, machine operators, engineers,
quality specialists who produce every day apparel, medical devices, seatbelts,
and military gears. So a lot of that, I thought, well, close, right,
but then yeah, that makes sense. Some medical devices, you know,
(05:58):
and military big bucket there. It is a big bucket
one I hadn't thought of before. It's Hemp month, Anti
Boredom Month, Culinary Arts month. Now here's the fun part. Okay,
so just hang with me. This is really clever. It's
also National Picnic Month, which of course makes sense for July,
(06:22):
right except during a heat wave Picnic month, So what
are you gonna do during picnic month? You're gonna grill.
It's National grilling Month. What are you gonna grill? When
you grow hot dogs? It's a National hot dog month.
You want something to eat with your hot dog. Why
not baked beans. It's National Baked Beans Month. Wow, maybe
(06:43):
you want a little extra oomf in your beans. So
it's National horse Badish Month. It's also National Blueberry and
Peach Month, so you can have those fruit with your
your your hot dogs and beans. And if you want
desserted it's National ice cream Month as well. It's pretty amazing.
It's really well done.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, yeah, very clever, Scott.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
I worked hard on that. I just put it all.
I like, I saw the the narrative there, and I
just worked on it. And it took a while. Like
I had ice cream first, No, no, no, that's not right.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I moved it and I thought it came out well good. Yeah,
thank you. This week of July, it's be nice to
Jersey Week.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I like New Jersey. I've never had a problem state
Pine Barons.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Pine Baron's really cool, Flora incredible. Yeah, and I just
like East Rutherford because that's where I stay when I
go to New York City. Oh it's cheap, you know,
one hundred and fifty for a hotel versus seven hundred
in Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Ouch.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah, and a six dollar bus ride and you're at
what do they call it? The Port authority in twenty minutes. Wow,
it's really good bus ride. Yeah, okay, the sixty three
bus if I remember it. Let's take our first break
and then we'll go into the days of So you
are listening to Let's Garden with Scott Berlin. I'm here
(08:11):
with Mark Wessel. We will be back in just a
few minutes and with Mark Wessel couty, Good morning, Mark.
We're just about to launch into the days of the
week of July fourth, July fourth being a major American holiday,
and I'm just fussing with my wire here because my
(08:32):
headphones keep cutting out.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It's annoying, disruptive, sort of like you.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
All right, Saturday July fourth National What was Independence Day
two hundred and fifty years?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Wow, I know, I remember two hundred years.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I remember that celebration. It was. It was really cool.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I remember, especially the tall ships through New York Harbor.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
I think they're doing that at this time too, I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, pretty cool stuff anyway. July fourth is also Alice
in Wonderland Day, Caesar Salad Day, named after Caesar Cardini,
an Italian American chef who invented the dish in Tijuana, Mexico.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
In nineteen twenty four Tijuana.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah, he lived in San Diego, but he had a
restaurant on Tijuana and he was running out of food.
He didn't want to turn customers away, so he improvised
and made.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
The first Caesar.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
The rest is history.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
The rest is history. Apparently everybody must have loved it.
They carried him around on their shoulders, they all through
their hats in the air.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I wonder if it was his version is different than
what we do now at all.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, I've always been confused about what it is in
first place, but now I know because they ran.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Up on it.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
So good.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Top of park day.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
So that's basically park hopping, explored the parks in your area.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Which is a good idea.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Barbecue spare Ribs Day, that's something you can put on
the grill. You're pretty darn good.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Do they come in vegan?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
No, and anything that the that's vegan that looks like
spare ribs is probably not very good.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, it's just bad news. July fifth, tomorrow Bikini Day.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
All right now you're talking.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yep, because it's also Hawaii Day.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Two.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Seem like they go hand and a Workaholics Day and
a couple of baked treats days, and you know how
I feel about this.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
But Graham Cracker Day and Apple Turnover Day.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Oh I love graham crackers growing up with milk, right, yeah, yeah,
the best, sometimes with peanut butter on them.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Oh, never did that? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah. Monday National Fried Chicken Day, hand Roll Day, air
traffic control day, so all the air traffic controllers can take.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
The day off.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
It's Clary Hue Day. Now.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
This celebrates a whimsical biographical poems honors Edmund Clarie Hugh Bentley,
who invented the forum when he was sixteen years old.
The rules are must be four lines long. It follows
an aabb rhyme scheme. First line must consist of a
person's name, and the rest shares a fact or humorously
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slightly nonsensical observation about them.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
And I wrote one about you.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
I figure wrote something I did.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Mark Wessell, Okay, let's start over. Mark Wessell of National
gardening fame has a tasty tomato that carries his name.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Oh, it is be labeled.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I don't know if that's a real word, but I
liked it. It is belabeled. Marcus Wessell's Purple Pride in
like Mark. It's a little odd looking but sweet inside.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Thin skinned as well, thin skinned.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Thank you, Danny, thank you and our crowd. Ah. What
is it?
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Tuesday, July seventh, Rock and Roll rock and Roll Day,
National Macaroni Day, Dive bar Days, Strawberry Sunday Day, Coy Day,
as in the fish and father daughter take a walk day.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
It's like take a walk. That's the mother.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Saying you to take a walk. Wednesday, July eighth, Freezer
pop Day. We could use that today, really, but all right,
we'll wait till Wednesday. Chocolate with almonds Day, scud Day,
That's what I thought at first. It's a day away
from stressful conflicts, gossip and lighthearted silliness.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
So what's the point of that.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I don't know. I don't know. I enjoy stressful conflicts
and gossiping.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Raspberry Day so we can grow. You're a good raspberry grower.
And Cucumber Soliday. And is there nothing more refreshing in
the summer and the heat than.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
A cucumbers epitome of refreshing.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's so good? Is good?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
And a cucumber sandwich that's a new one. To me,
that's pretty good too. July ninth, Thursday, National Sugar Cookie
Day and Dimples Day. What about us that don't have dimples?
What are we supposed to do just to honor those
with dimples? Go look, go looking for them.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
In the dimple.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah. People, I never understood why they're so cute. Anyway,
I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Friday, July tenth, Kitten Day, National Kitten Day, National French Friday,
Peanut Colauta Day.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Now you're talking in summertime, drink Chronic Disease Day. I
think they should have were you know, reword that in
the Chronic Disease Awareness Day or something.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
But just coming on, I had.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Them coming on Car Collector Appreciation Day and pick Blueberry's Day.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
You had something you wanted to add speaking of blueberries.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Well related to the New Jersey day whatever, be nice. Yeah,
that's I mean, the native folks that were on the
continent were big forgers of blueberries and cranberries. But in
New Jersey that's where blueberry cultivation originated.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah. They select sandy acid soil.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah. Yeah, and they select it out of the wild,
you know, in the pine barrens area. Okay, and you
know big big cranberry growers there too.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Huh Mark.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
During the break, I pulled up some things about best
practices for heat safety. I think we should run through, okay.
Number one, Hydrate Strategically drink about sixteen ounces before you
work out in the heat, and five to seven ounces
every fifteen to twenty minutes. Avoid alcohol. Really I don't, okay,
never heard that before. I might answer a few things.
(14:49):
Excessive camfee avoid it, and energy drinks as they contribute
to dehydration. Acclimatize your body. If you're new to a
hot work environment or returning after time off, build your tolerance.
Gradually limit your exposure to one to two hours, and
increase over the first week.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Dress for the environment.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Counterintuitively, covering up with loose, lightweight clothing, even your arms
and legs, is good for you to It keeps you
cooler because it keeps direct cent off your skin. Try
to work in the morning and evening as much as
you can, and put a damp cloth around your neck
(15:30):
or wrists to help you cool down as necessary.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Important, very important.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Recognize the illness symptoms, so stay alert for such things
as heavy sweating or no sweating, dizziness, headaches, or nausea,
severe confusion, slurred speech, or lack of sweat all indicate
heat stroke, which is a serious medical situation requiring nine
(15:56):
to one.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
One could call if you're feeling those things. Absolutely don't
mess aroun.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I've heard some real hard, real horror stories that are
quite bad. So people have gone, like really healthy people
who've had heatstroke and went into comas and yeah, yeah,
it can be lasting damage to you too.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
So you know, I think we're supposed to pop out
of this heat sort of Monday.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
By Monday, yeah, yeah, so you know, if you can
put off the work, do it.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
If you can put off anything till some other day,
I'm all for it.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
That sounds like the best advice I ever heard. You know.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
I always wonder how roofers, you know, I mean you're
talking about and construction workers, especially road workers, how how
they handle this because those are hot places, much hotter
than like the Nbent temperature round.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
So anyway, when we come back, we will talk about
some of our favorite plants.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Right now, we've got Joe Boggs joining us at eight o'clock.
We'll talk about that. In the seven o'clock hour, we're.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Going to talk about all kinds of things with the
fourth of July and plants and we want your calls
eight hundred eighty two three eighty two fifty five will
be right back. You're listening to that's garden with Scott Berline.
That's me, and across from me is Mark Wessel five
Gardens Alive, chief horticulturist. That's right, and one of those
people that knows well you knew new and loved plants
(17:24):
as a little kid.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yes, I grew up loving plants and animals and insects.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah. And you're you're you're basically a naturalist.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, that's my base.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
And uh, but yet you know pretty much all there
is about horticulture too. I mean across the board you
no ornamental horticulture.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You worked as a state a state gardener. Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Well, you know, the great thing is, I mean I
do have a broad base of knowledge, but I don't
know everything. That's what's so good about it. There's so
much to learn.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
With the culture, with gardening.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
It's like the more you learn, the more you realize
how much left there is.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
And sometimes you learn that you weren't always learning the
proper things, and you.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Were so sure about it at the time. Yeah, that's
that's happened on like one occasion with me. Let's talk
about our favorite plants right now, Mark, you want to start.
Do you want me to do a bigger list? I
do have a bigger list because once again you did
not do your homework. Well, you're a busy man. You've
(18:31):
got responsibilities apart from this. My name's on the show,
you're not yours. It's like, let's got the check. Yeah
that too, so okay to start it off, I'm going
to list in this. In the midst of this heat dome,
heat wave, whatever else. All the cool terms they have, now,
(18:52):
what was it? What do they call it? The winter thing?
The Arctic.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Vortex.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
We'll call this the tropical vortex. Okay, Yeah, anyway, shade trees.
Can't live without them, can't. Yeah, we need more of
them all the time. Young gardeners, new homeowners, plant more trees,
big ones, big ones that will make shade.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
No kidding. It's amazing. When I'm out driving, you're on
the asphalt, Like I'm watching my temperature gauge outside temperatures
not quite accurate, but yeah, I'm in on the highways
and it's registering like one hundred and two and then
I get into Camargo Road between Madisonville and Madeira, Yeah,
(19:40):
and it's all yeah, like two miles of tree canopy
and yesterday the temperature dropped eleven degrees.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
That's a big difference. I used to know.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
For like one brief shining six month moment, I had
a motorcycle and when you're riding a motorcycle out and
you go through areas with shade and then you're out
in the sun, you notice it immediately and you know
the Okay, So the new homeowners need to get those
trees in the ground now because they take time to grow.
(20:13):
The other thing is old homeowners who I don't know
what happens to people, but they become it's a symptom
of growing old as you're afraid of trees falling on
your house, which can be a thing. But before you
just have the tree removed, have someone that's good, a
certified arbist, come look at it and tell you if
(20:34):
it's a dangerous tree or not, because most times they're not.
And the difference. I sat with a woman when I
landscaped who had a big tree removed in her front
yard because she was afraid of it falling on her house.
I couldn't talk her out of it, and I sat
with her while she cried after that tree was gone,
because not only the difference in shade, but just the
(20:56):
look of the house, the way it all felt was
all different.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Did you say I told you so?
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I didn't good. Yeah, I felt like the timing wasn't right.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
It's a bummer. It's sad to see those big trees go,
especially when they don't need.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
To exactly, and you see it a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
And there's probably like little squirrels looking on.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Yeah, and to come from and an unethical guy with
a truck and a chainsaw who's breaking in money he
doesn't deserve.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Yeah, there's a lot of good tree people out there,
a lot of them, and some listening right now. I'm sure.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
I'm positive of it.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
And a good way to know the weed the best
from the rest is whether they're certified or not. You know,
not to say that uncertified people aren't. Some of them
aren't good. But if they're good and uncertified, I don't
understand why they just don't.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Take the step and become certified.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Speaking of trees Aserta terrakum hot wings, I mentioned it
good four to six weeks ago because the samaras, the wings,
the helicopters on this maple are red.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
They're still blazing red. It looks like it's in bloom.
It is.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
It's a pretty cool plant I saw just the other day.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, striking again and again.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, it's pretty rare, but I'm seeing more of it
and it always looks great. Aphrodite callicanthus. What is that
the common name on callicanthus. It's spice shrub or something
sweet sweet trub, sweet trub.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, is aphrodite, the white one.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Aphrodite is the it's a red. It's the hybrid.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
There's heartledge wine and then there's aphrodite and aphrodite. Heartledge
wine is is earlier and it's done and aphrodite is
still kicking.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
So both are really good. It's just aphrodities a little
bit later.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Interesting group of plants. You know. It was kind of
relegated to plant collector's plant. Yeah, you know, geeky people.
But you're seeing it more and more.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It's a tough shrub. It gets big, probably twelve feet
minimum round tall.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
It is Aphroditi fragrant.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Not really.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Oh they're good too, but it's dareproof. It's shade tolerant.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
It's pretty much everything you'd want in a big shrub
gray for screening.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Blooming in your yard.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah, and at the Zoo Sin Sing Zoo and Pottical
Garden where I work, the hydrogen peniculatas are coming in.
I noticed the other day Firelight and Pinky Winky both
in full bloom.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Pinky Winky. Yeah, they're getting earlier and earlier with their
bloom on though.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Yeah, and these aren't even the earliest ones. Yeah, yeah,
these are mid early. I guess you would say.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
It brings me to a point. Sometimes they push the
seasons on things and they suddenly get out of place,
like those super early.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
They feel weird early on. I mean, I guess there's.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Uses for them, but I guess we'll get used to it.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I was just thinking the other day, that's like they've
got to be more careful how they picked their names,
like pinky Winkies. It's just can you imagine, you know,
landscaper on the phone, you know, give me a hundred
more of them pinky winkies.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
That's embarrassing for that person.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
To even say, yeah, you know, and it's like, uh,
and get them complaining like, you know, uh, ninety of
them look great, but ten of them look like crap.
I'm refusing them. You got to send me ten more,
you know, I demand the best pinky winkies you got. Yeah,
I think you know, they think in terms of homeowners,
but landscapers they have trouble with names like that like Bobo. Yeah,
(24:32):
I need one hundred and fifty bobos or I don't
know some of these other names. Just anyway, what's your
It's time for you?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Oh yeah, oh, Scott. The Echinasha are just incredible.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
The cone flowers seems like a good year.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I mean, I'm not, They're just all of them look great.
Just your classic purple cone flowers, you know, tall, classic
great plant. I visited the Rochdale Academy. Yeah, man in
Tennessee Ensis.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
That's a cute little plant.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I was noticing at Rockdale literally last week that the
series Cheyenne Spirit uh not series, but seed String is
really looking great.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
It's been there for a while.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Sometimes with Echinasia they kind of revert back when seedlings
come up and you don't know what you're getting. But
with that series, it seems the whole steady pretty well.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Yeah, sure has been a lot. Echinasia has really such
a transformation from when I started.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Yeah, man, you know that one series, I think the
Sombrero series. It is just the colors are.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
On real, they are.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
I'm going to mention Rubus odoratus, which is fragrant raspberry.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
It's a native.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
I saw it growing on a cliff side in a
state park in New York and I was blown away
because I didn't realize that's where it naturally grows. I
guess it's adaptive, but it's doing great in my yard
in pretty heavy shade. It kind of dwindled down a
little bit over the last couple of years, I think
because of the droughts.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
But this year, with the cool spring and the rain,
just lush and beautiful, big maple like leaves.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Quite attractive foliage plant.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Yeah, and the flower is pretty too.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I don't know where odoratus comes from because I never
detect a sect from the flower, but it's a big
i'd say, what a silver dollar sized flower. Kind of
a pink pink yeah, classic rose family plant. Mine is
growing in really heavy shade, but I think it takes
it takes full sun well to I do and supposedly
(26:52):
it's edible, but it's always sort of dry and it's
not really edible as far as I can tell.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
What else you got?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Oh, the butterfly weed, just driving down the highway. Yeah,
that's looking good. The orange orange milk weed.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Did you find that one? Hard to establish? But once,
I mean, it's one of those plants. Once you establish it,
it's there for life. But it's I've had hit or
miss luck.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Yeah, I've planted it several times, and you know, suspect
areas to start with.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, because you know that's what it likes.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And you know I haven't. I haven't planned much of
that one.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I haven't either.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I just enjoyed along the roads and in the fields.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, yeah, me too. And if you mow the.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Field, which is unfortunate, but I know this from where
I grew up, after it's finished, it'll flush again and
bloom kind of late summer.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
That bloom is really showy. It is.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
And of course it's a monarch coast plant and attracts
all kinds of pollinators when.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
It's Yeah, yeah, there's always butterflies. Good one stuff on it.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Speaking of attracting pollinators, I've got agastaki some people say
Agastash Sash. I don't know either. Blue Fortune. All the
blue ones are pretty good, Blue Fortune, Blue bo Blue
black Adder. I find that they return your toe'.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Very reliable in our area.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, and you don't want to give them too much
love or they'll flop. To put them in heavy you know,
dry soil, full sun. Don't give them a lot of
water and fertilizer, and they stay up right pretty well.
And man, the poloneers just love them, and they do
you stay bloom for pretty long.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Some of those other more western native ones they do
great here if you give them the proper drain each
and all. Sometimes you'll lose them.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
But yeah, I find those to be either short lived
or just not adapted to heavy clay.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
They're very beautiful.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
But there's one you can't get too attached to, right, Yeah.
And the leatris are just coming on. So Spakata blaze,
what is that blazing star? Yeah, and one that more
people should be growing is leatris pick no steaky or
prairie blazing star.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
They're both really.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Good interesting plants. And scott If you want to see
incredible display in nature, head east on thirty two and
go visit Chaparral Prairie. Okay, oh my goodness. They have
a few species there and just yeah gorgeous.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Ah good, I mean yeah, And they're tall, prairie like plants.
You want to put them in with other plants where
they can help them, help them stand up.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, because they can get especially in their youth, they
can get kind of floppy.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
And yeah, yeah, tell you what, Mark, We've got to
take a break. We'll do that and when we come
back we'll finish out with our favorite plants. Right now
on this July fourth Independence Day edition of Let's Garden
with Scott Berlin, stay with us. We're listening to Let's
Garden with Me Scott Berlin, and I'm here with my
friend Mark wessel And who works at Gardens Alive as
(29:56):
their chief horticulturists. And those you might remember, all those labels,
all those catalogs are Gurnees, Rex Rex, spring Hill, spring
Hill More. Actually, what's the new end the gardens Gardeners supply. Yeah,
really a good source of tools.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, they have a really nice line of stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
We real quality, have a good stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Brought in a lot of the line and you know
they're in Vermont and yeah, we moved shipping here. We
we fulfill out of our warehouse in Fairfield, Fairfield, Okay, yeah,
and uh, very nice stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Yeah, I need to look at that catalog.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
I've still have a lot of tools that are ordered
from them pretty long ago. Really good stuff. We are
talking favorite plants right now. Oh by the way, at
about seven o'clock maybe a little later, we're gonna start
talking about plants gardeners in the fourth of July.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
And hopefully take some calls.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
And we really want your calls.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
So if you have stories about trees, anything to do
with patriotism or red, white and blue flowers or those things,
we want to hear from you, or anything else or
anything question. Yeah, yeah, don't make us peg, especially Mark.
It doesn't look good on him.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I get paid by the question.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Right, So that number is eight hundred eighty three eighty
two fifty five, eight hundred eighty three eighty two to
fifty five holes to start taking his calls around about seven. Anyway,
we got to wrap up our favorite plants because we
both have a lot of them. I wanted I know
one that you don't tend to care for. I have
a bit of a more of appreciation for it, But
(31:33):
Poroskia Russian sage. It's a poor man's midsummer like hot
humid person's lavender, sort of has that fragrance of the
foliage and everything and sort of the same look.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
The problem with.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
It is it tends to flop in a lot of
inhumid or wet areas with heavy soils, good soil or
anything you know, less than Siberian conditions, basically so. But
they've come out with a lot of smaller ones that
hold better, hold up better, and this year, I don't
know what it is, if it's because there's more of
those out there now or with the weather of the
(32:10):
way it's been. But the Perevski is looking so good
right now.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Well they are, I have to admit, Yeah, there, curudgeon,
I am about the plant. I'm appreciating it.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
And we are recording this right, yeah we are, so yeah, Okay,
But listen to this list of selections. Denim and lace
Sage Advice, Blue Jean, Baby, little Lace, Little Spire, Blue Spire,
Crazy Blue Blue, Steel, rocket Man Lungen, Blue Spritzer, Philogran, Superba,
(32:41):
Pika Blue Blue. I'm sure there's more. I'd say all
of those came out in the last five years, except
for maybe two or three. It just goes to show
when a plant catches on and it's such a useful
plant for landscapers, parking lots, that's.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Where it really looks pretty. Yeah, you know, it's tough, hot, dry, Yeah,
where nobody takes good care of them.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Cars run over them and things like that. Great one
for polliniers too, tracks quite a few things. My great
cone flower Rebeccia maximus, still kicking it. It's probably been
five four or five weeks.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
It's impressive plan. Yeah, I don't have a spot for it,
but I enjoy it in other gardens.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Yeah, you have to have a full sun sight. Again,
it probably prefers to be sort of hot and dry.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I remember seeing that in its native habitat in the
black Land Prairies of Texas. It has, you know, kind
of limited range and oh okay, it's been really cool
to see it out in nature.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yeah, it's a tall When it's about six to eight
feet tall, blue bluish foliage, it sort of looks cabbagey
like a basil and malaucus glaucus gray blue. Yeah, and
then shoots up a stem and then I think it's
usually just one flower per stem.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
It's a wapp or flower, so it's a big foul flower.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
And then it with a big brown seedhead that the
birds also flocked after it ripens.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
You have something else, Oh, goat speard, goat, sir a
runcus man, that thing. It's just always I don't grow it.
But I was looking back on some pictures. It's blooming
right now, like if you go to Shawnee or you
see it in the gorge, like you'll be driving on
those roads and it'll be this big clump will be
(34:22):
hanging off the side of a cliff. You know, it's
it's interesting because it's nearly a shrub.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yeah, yeah, I might finish blooming about two weeks ago
at least, but yeah, I love it. And you know
that's one if you can put it where it catches
the evening sun.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Oh yeah, where it just yeah, you might have had
a photograph of that.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Right, Did I put it on Facebook?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, it just lights it up, just lights it up. Yeah.
It's another pretty big plant, a.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
Big plant, which you know everything's going small. We have
a full size perennial.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, people are shying away from bigger perennials, even when
they can fit them in their garden.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
This is a problem. I think it's needs needs fixing.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Mark, I know, but you know when you're you're in
the industry, it has to fit on the rack.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
On the rack, because that's what the people need to
go in knowing their plants a little bit better. I'm
gonna mention the Blue Annual, Salvius Blue Annual for us,
but sometimes there even now for us, sometimes they come
back as a perennial. But like won Garannittka, like black
(35:30):
and Blue, Rhythm and Blues, Black and Blue, just stunning
annuals that attract pollinators like nothing else. Yeah, and along
that there's the hybrid kind called Mystic Spires Blue and
Big Blue, which are both.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Very very good too. Yes, you gotta go to break Mark.
When we come back.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
It will finish up a few more plants, and then
we'll get into the holiday Fourth of July and gardening
and plants. You're listening to Let's Garden with Scott Berlin
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