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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here and talk gardens.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Actually today we'll be talking about vegetables, fruits and vegetables
in fact, with two very good guests. One is with
me right now, Mark Wessel from Gardens Alive, my good friend,
and then Jenna Bonorant from Growthly. With Jenna, we'll be
on it at the seven o'clock hour. Mark, I was
(00:23):
doing a little research on you man, Yeah, because you
know I've always been a little vague on gardens Alive.
Where you work and you are the director of research.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm now the chief horticulturist.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Chief horticulturist. That's impressive. They come with a big pay raise.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
It's just a different title, same job.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Huh. Talk to somebody about that. Well, start a national
they treat you good.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, so you know it's an umbrella company. Not really,
but it started as a small company selling organic, sort of.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Environmentally friendly gardens. I was the first brand started, I
believe in our owner's garage. It was first fulfilled out
there environmentally friendly product.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
That's close enough anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
The company has been buying other companies, a lot of
the catalog companies that people are familiar with over the
years and compiled quite a few of them so I
wanted to find out all that that that belonged to
the company. And and so there's two bulb companies, Brex
and a cave On Cavan Vorga Dane.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah right, Yeah, they're both operated out of Holland Bulbs
and bear Root Perennials.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Okay, yeah, why too because of their brands.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
One is I don't know exactly why to, but one
is larger quantities okay, more of a whole type of
smaller and.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Okay, more specialized. And then Gurney's Vegetable Seeds, Gardening Supplies
and Nursery stock a long time company. It's been forever forever, yes, okay,
uh spring Hill Nursery, which began in eighteen forty nine
and specializes says, devoted to new exciting plants that will
perform around the country. Gardener's Supply, which offers tools and product.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
That's a new acquisition, is it, And that's you know,
really nice gardening hardware.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I get catalogs and it's always beautiful stuff. And uh Isley,
which is what the premiere wholesale wholesaleer of unique conifers.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
And general A lot of people Knowley and yesess, I
mean they have a well beautiful product.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah. We based out in Oregon, Boring organ Boring.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Orgon can see. Uh is it mount Hood from there?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Ye, beautiful, beautiful part of the country where a lot
of nurseries are big whole are there. And then there's
three little companies I was surprised about. I didn't know once,
like a jigsaw company called Bits and Pieces and Ink Pixie,
which is personalized.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, that's relatively new to us.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
And Bres Gifts.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, that's part of the Brex thing.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, well, glad you're here.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
It's it gets confusing to explain who we are, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
It does.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
It changes, change, It changes all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
You guys are always.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Adding, adding or subtracting. Oh and yeah, we used to
have weeks roses. It's a long long time. But finally
that's not in our hands anymore.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Gotcha, got you?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And that's not unusual in the nursery trade for companies
to change hands and move around and things like that.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Uh, we are actually already at our first break. We'll
go ahead and take it and we'll we'll do our
national national days of months of weeks of when we
get back. You are listening to Let's Garden with Scott Berline.
We'll be right back. Welcome back, good morning. Let's this
is Let's Garden with Scott Berline. I am Scott Berline.
(03:57):
I'm here with Mark Wessel from Gardens Alive. We just
did a good job of introducing you. I think one
thing I didn't mention you are a full on plants person.
You you know everything from spring ephemerals out in the
wild to solidago you've been learning, you know, golden rods,
everything in the nature, then ornamental horticulture and food vegable
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fruits and vegetables, which we'll talk about the rest of
the show later.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
You're the full full, the real deal.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Well, thanks, Scott. I just enjoy plants and nature in general,
so having interest in many facets keeps me occupied. If
one's not happening, another one.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Is keeps you out of trouble and off tracks.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
If the plants aren't good, bird watching might be better.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
There you go and you do a lot of that too.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
You keep smell the bars.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
It keeps you well.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Mark.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
We always do start every show with national days of
This is because without them, I have no guideposts for
how I.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Live my life.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
This is for you.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Mainly for me, but I figure, you know, if it's
for me, it's like the same old thing.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It also applies to everyone else.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I hope there's not a lot of bakery.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
There are not as many, not as many. But I
will point out, you know again, the big treats lobby
is way out of control. But anyway, for the month
of May, let's get caught reading month. If what if
you're going to get caught reading? What would you be reading?
Comic books?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
No, it's usually nonfiction, but some you know, just trashy novel.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Okay, it's older Americans month that applies to me. Maybe
you getting close?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, egg month, skin cancer awareness months, saw some month,
blood pressure education month, correct your posture month, I could use.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I should be focused in on that.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
What else miniature garden month, Salad month, you're all about salad.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
You're a big healthy eater guy.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
It's also barbecue month, so that's something I yeah, and
they do strawberry month, photography month. I gotta get some
Brian Jorgan here again, talk about garden photography sometime. So
also Hamburger Month and cheese months, so you can combine
the two by having cheeseburgers. Uh, Lime Disease Awareness month,
(06:16):
So everybody regarding tics, use your repellence, treat your clothing,
shower two hours after coming in, within two hours after
coming indoors.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Well, Scott, they take tics have taken the fun out
of things a lot of me. I mean, I'm you know,
I'm all paranoid about walking in the weeds now. Which
are so many things that they transmit.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, scary stuff. But you know, I think if you
take these precautions.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And I haven't had any problems, So.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Tuck your pants into your socks or tape them.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, scared.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
And these these items that you can treat your clothes
with I think, or number one, really really big protective thing.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, they do work.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
And if you get a tick. If you get a tick,
use fine tip.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Tweezers to grab it as close to the skin as possible,
pull upwards with steady even pressure. Do not jerk or twist,
do not burn with us whatever you know, just and
then use some alcohol when you're done that.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
So I can't put the cigarette on them and make
them the match.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You can, but it's not recommend It's probably going to
cause you a disease and a burn. Fourth week of
May really not much safe boating week in this medical
beach week.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
What medical?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I don't know. I didn't look it up. Today is
Lucky Penny Day. That's fine.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Well they're going to outlaw. That's probably get rid of
pennies vene.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It's right if you pick soon yep, and okay, our
first treat, our first sugar retreat, Taffy Day.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So that's got a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
It's just there goes your fillings.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, so true. Tomorrow May twenty fourth, Sunday, Brothers Day.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Do you have brothers?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I have several brothers.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I don't have any brothers. Oh too bad, ms brothers.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
They might be I've got great brothers.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
You got great brothers?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Good good good Scavenger hunt Day, that's I guess fun.
I guess Aviation maintenance technician Day. I used to work
for an airline and man, I'll tell you what those
guys are methodical, they have they run through checklists. It's
it's amazing how structured that work is and it has
(08:30):
to be and it.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Works, it works, Thanks goodness.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, yeah, family fun Day. You could tend shrimp day,
s cargo day. So there are some good foods there.
I guess. I don't know how you go about finding
you could tan shrimp specifically, but I guess you can
and celebrate the day accordingly. Monday, May twenty fifth, Wine Day,
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every day, right, it can be, it should be. I
like wine. I'm learning to like it more and more
all the time. It's also Memorial Day. That's very important.
So find the people around you who have served our
country and and let them know today, raise a glass
of wine, let them know how much we appreciate their service.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Tow Day, how day?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Why why they're important? Tap dance Day again? Why tap
dancing is just weird? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Well, if you could put coordination.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I don't know it's impressive when you see it, but
you know.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
What, two minutes of it's good.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, two minutes is spressive. Plenty brown bag at Day
and Geek Pride Day. Geek Pride. I think anybody that's
a gardener is pretty much a geek. You have no comments.
I thought you would follow.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
That week it being a geek is just normal to me.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Tuesday, Paper airplane Day.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
It's been many years since I've done a paper airplane.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
About a month ago, throwing it at our cats.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, they can be a lot of fun, they can
also be great sources of frustration. And our first bake
treat Day Blueberry Cheesecake Day.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Again.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I like the blueberry park God, They're so good.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, and I like the cheesecake part too, But there
probably is no denser, high calorie food than cheesecake. On Wednesday,
May twenty seven, forgive me grape Day. And didn't say
whether it's the fruit or the plant. I'm going with
the plant. The fruit is good too.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Grape Day.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Grape Day that's on Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
People eat a lot of grapes.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I love grapes and I've been trying to grow some too.
I know it's not the easiest crop to grow around here, Yeah,
but yeah, it's They're fun to eat right off the cockboards,
you know, right.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Very flavorful, very It's also flip flops Day. Make sure
you wear your applied Scott.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I don't like them.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I don't like flip flop flip flop.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, And I always walk weird in them, and then
I'm like it's stiff and and uh, you know, rocks
and gravel get in them, and it's just like, just
why am I doing this?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I should just put my shoes and socks on.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Like a normal person, like a grown up, like a
grown up, not wear flip flops anymore. It's Great Popsicle Day,
so it's already grape Day, but it's also Great Popsicle Day.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And wine Day, so grapes are having their yeah day.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, they really are having their moment Senior Health and
Fitness Day. So i'll, you know, get those little weights
and kind of wing them around like you do. Cellfane
Tape Day. You know, it's one of those things you
don't think to celebrate, but maybe that's the whole point
of having a day devoted to cellphone.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Tape comes in handy when you need it.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Thursday is amazing. Thursday, May twenty eighth, it's full on
cow Day, Hamburger Day, beef Burger Day, and brisket Day.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Well, cows are having their day again, are they?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
So yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yeah, we got to eat her or beef.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah yeah. Friday, to finish this up, is a paper
clip day. And uh, I don't know how to say this?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Is it? Coke o Vin Day? The French dish.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Oh yeah, the chicken in the chicken cokevon Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, that's a classic French staple cocoa von translates to
rooster with wine. It's a rustic, peasant style dish that
is easy to serve when entertaining because a lot of
the work can be done in advance.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
So you just I remember this cute little French pistro
where I had that for the first time?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Is that right? Tell me more? Were you there with
a young lady?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
I don't remember anything or I can't really report on it.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Well, that's disappointing five to nine day. So that's a
reminder to contribute to nine savings Plants for kids tuition,
your kids, your grandkids, other kids.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
That's yeah, I think that's a great idea great reminder.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Well, let's go ahead and dive into some of our
favorite favorite plants right now for the this week of
May twenty third.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Ok, what have you got to go with? First?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Well, the season is wrapping up, but I've been really
loving columbines. Yeah. It's a fascinating flower. It's almost space age.
It's just a weird looking forty yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
The spurs, the long spurs, well, so we are. They're
known to be very precarious. They intermix quickly.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Oh yeah, I've got everything going on.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, yeah, So we just had one species with a
few varieties out there, and then we brought in our
native canadensis.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Which is a great one by itself.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Oh by itself, and we barely have that anymore. But
it just mixed with the Vulgaris types and they're just
every shade and it's really cool. And then a few
years ago I bought a bunch of varieties from the
North American Rock Garden seed List, which several were misidentified.
Some really cool. The Western there's the Crysantha, the yellow
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one and the long spurs, and then another one with
even longer spurs, and one similar to our canadensis but
wherever the pedals are flared out. It's just been really
fun watching the.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
There's such beautiful plants.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And from what you're seeing in my experience too, is
you get all this cross breeding and but none of
the plants.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
They'll tell you with every other plant, oh, you lose.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
The desirable feature when you get these crosses. But with Columbine,
it just seems to me that they're all pretty.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
They all look good.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah, yeah, there have been a few duds, but yeah,
and it seems like they're getting better.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
They're kind of interesting. Yeah. Yeah, well if you pull
the duds, then you're selected.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Well you're yeah, you're you are selecting.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
And the Canadensis, our native one is is such a
nice plant with the what would you call it color?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Kind of a rusty red.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
It's a reddish orange yellow in there. Yeah, and the
hummingbirds just love it. That's the first thing we see
hummingbirds on.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Huh, I have not noticed that.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
That.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
That's cool. I had one a long time ago. I've
lost it.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I need to get it back, but one called I
think it's a western species, Aqualligia.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Flageleta or flag aleta.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Oh, little short, little guy, creamy blue and white flowers.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
That's a cute little thing.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
It seemed to grow anywhere it would be in rocky
areas and crew out of the middle of a rotten stump.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
For one hole year a couple of years. That was
kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I have next on my list, the geranium and the
saying this is a little tricky, but canta bridge.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Oh yeah, that's trying not to pronounce that.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, but it's impressive when you pull it off, and
it's like, you know, officer, I can prove I'm sober
can't Virgi and C and yep you're.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
An English major, so that helps.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
No sort of communications slash English. But the two varieties,
I really like the ones that you find out there,
and they're old. I don't people aren't putting out a
lot of new ones out but by a Cova and
Carmena are really nice groundcovery geraniums green for a long time,
very pungent and deer and nothing else will bother them.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I think there's a new.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Series called Crystal so Crystal Rose and Crystal those. Yeah,
I've got Crystal Rose and it's really really nice.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
It does. It is a very nice groundcover. When it's
well grown, it's a beauty.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
It could take I would say, darn close to full
sun and into pretty heavy shade.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah, it's one of those things you see it from
a distance and you're like, what is that?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, and it just it's it starts early, it's real lush.
It covers the ground really nicely, and it fills in
pretty quickly too, which is nice. One that I've been
noticing and I know that you're probably a big fan
of And we got a minute and a half before break,
But Bignonia caprioleta crossvine. It's a native vine to the
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eastern United States. It's not used near enough in gardens,
but what a beauty it is.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
It is. It is a great plant, and it really
climbs high in the trees. And you know it's got
word like on its northern edge. We are it's range.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, and another native vine, I really like, you know,
we're gone to a minute.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yep is a honeysuckle. You know you mentioned the word honeysuckle.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
People that their hair stands stands on and they start cussing,
you know, uncontrollably. It's a much hated genus of plants
because good for good reasons, with a lot of them
being real thugs or downright invasive plants. But this is
a native it's a cultivar of Lascera reticulata. But it's
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called Kinsley's ghosts.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Oh, that's a cool point.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It's so cool.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It looks it's got blue foliage which is perfoliate, so
it looks like eucalyptus right in the garden.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, we'll take a break.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
We'll continue with favorite plants right now in just a
few minutes.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You're listening to that's.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Garden Scup and great horticulturist and naturalists Mark Wessel from
the Gardens of a Live Company, And we're talking favorite
plants right now, and you know, we've got through that first.
We're kind of in this weird second flush. I think
I think of it like, you know, spring comes hard
and then there's sort of just this it sort of
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eases in and relaxes a little bit. Ye, and we're
in that a little bit of a law in the action,
but still a lot going on in the garden and
a lot to talk about. We just finished talking about
cross fine, which isn't used very much, and then lanesra
or the Kinsley's ghost native honeysuckle, another native I've got.
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It's really kind of wrapping up. But the pagoda dogwood
cornice alternate folio. You very seldom see it, you know,
in gardens, but I have one in mine and there's
another at All Park in Cincinnati here, and when that's
in bloom is spectacular.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
It is that layered Yeah, the layered effect. It's called
pagoda dogwood because.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Of that sort of that look where the branches stretch
out and then these flowers are are not like the
dogwood flowers on flowering dogwood, but more like a viburnum flower,
you know, kind of a humbol I guess is the word.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I don't know, kind of like.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
That shasta viburnum sort of.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Right, sort of like that clusters flat clusters, but they're fine,
they're finer flowers.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Uh. It's just such a beauty.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
And uh, you know, it's a plant that I think
needs a protected spot, needs some shade and good soil.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, when you see it in the wilderness, it's usually
is at least shaded on the or on the edge.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
What's your next plant, mark, Well.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
This is one I know is near to your heart.
In Common, that's the Katulpa tree.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Oh, we've all been talking about the cat Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I mean they're just tough trees.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Rugged and the Marlborough men like trees.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah. Yeah, And they have that great branch structure where
the branches are just round it. There's no harsh angles,
just the great silwet and then when they bloom, it's
you know, it's really impressive. I know some people that
are bothered by all the blossoms.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Falling with well, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
You don't want it right next to your patio. Maybe
I don't know. But and then you get the katulpa worms,
those caterpillars.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Which fish go fishing with. Yeah, and they're such stately trees.
They will last forever. I don't they'll outlive everything. I've
seen them in vacant lots, going out of cracks in
the pavement. Very very tough, very very tough. And they
just have that stateliness, you know. Uh, in the winter time,
they're they're kind of coarse. The branching is really coarse,
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and and then leaves are kind of coarse because they're big.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
But that's not a great fold eaged. I mean it
has great leaves.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
But yeahs not known for no and the fall color
is not that great. But you know, it's just one
of those trees you ought to be thinking about for
tough sites.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Especially.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah, you talk about plants for climate change.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
There you go, Yeah, I can deal. It can handle anything.
My next one is Japanese maples. You know, I love them,
But one in particular is Coto and Noo, which I
have right in my front not even yard, a little
bed in front of my house. And that is just
such a beauty. Every day I pull into the driveway
and see that backlit. It is fantastic all season long
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with the foliage, very fine filigree foliage and great shape,
and I have pruned it to kind of shape it
a little bit. And then eventually the fall color, which
is this collage of orange and yellow and red. So
it proceeds through this several weeks. It's just a great one.
And Japanese paint of ferns are really love love those
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great for dryer shade in gardens.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
You know, easy to grow.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Easy to grow, and they go well under your Japanese
maples like spirits.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
They're like, oh, good to see you. You know, I
thought I was going to be alone here. What's your
next plant?
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Uh, Climatis clematis depending on Yeah, I mean right now
we're in the sweet spot. It's just there's a color
for everybody. There's short ones, there's tall ones. They're easy
to grow. Just I love the climatis.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
The tricky part, I think is that first couple of years,
you know, when it's getting established.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah, that's true. And they're a little fragile. I mean
they're not overall, they're tough, but it's easy to disturb
them and bring them. Their stems are brittle.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I find that I string trim them way too often.
I kind of get too close. I'm trying to get
other weeds and.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Bammed string trimmers.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, he's a bad one. He's really a bad string trimmer.
Tree lilacs. No, I know every silk is everywhere, and
it's everywhere. You know, it's very showy right now. But
I really like the others that the China tree lilac
rather than the Japanese one, so soaringa picking ensis.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Oh yeah that's nice.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, great, wall is really showy right now. It's looking good,
looking good with blooms. And then also it has that
cherry like bark, which is just another great added feature.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, any little extra feature to make it look good
in the landscape.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yep, give it more. Seasons of interest catments nepeda. I
don't know how you say x FASc any. I.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Yeah, they're having their moment right now, they really are.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And this is you know, you'll see this in parking lots,
full sun, crap soil. Yeah, hell strips, hell strips all
the bad places, doing just by. In fact, I think
it looks better when it's in poor conditions because it
doesn't tend to fall flop over so yeah, yeah, but
it looks like a sort of you know, a poor
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man's lavender, and you can grow it and clay a
lot easier to grow.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
And you whack it back hard after you know that
first bloom, and you'll get another flush. I'll be quite
as actually, Scott, I was. I was wanting to measure
the blooms at different times. See how much mass the
first how they compare the first bloom to the second bloom.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
You start on that.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
And you driving down the road and.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, thinking, well, you know, act on those thoughts and
come back with some real good information everybody can use.
Walker's low is probably the most common version of that.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Uh uh, that plant.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
But also there's a bunch of new ones, all with
corny names that refer back to it being a cat
meant Persian blue makes me want to puke. Cat watch it,
Cat's pajamas, cat's meow kit cat. Enough already, yeah enough, already,
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this is getting on my nerve.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Well, not only that, we have enough varieties. Let's move
on to some other. Yeah, put your breeding efforts into
it is something or a different form of it, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Another nipita, another species Nepita rhimosa. I don't know the
common name on it, but we've been using this at
the Cincinnati Botanical Gardener Zoo. It's called Blue Wonder and
it is fabulous. It's very different. It's more leafy, dark
green foliage. Tends to our experiences, does pretty good in
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semi shade sort of experiences. The flowers are very very cool,
very cool.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Is it a larger flower? Is it more upright?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
It's upright.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It's probably about knee high. Great in a mass. It
looks really good in you know, groupings. But ok, Yeah,
when did they move cinnamon fur from ozmanda to ozmandastrum?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I don't know, but I don't like it. I like
the old.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, the name's much easier.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
But those are great ferns for the and people don't
think about ferns enough, but that's that's an easy one
to grow.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
They're very bold. I've seen a lot in different habitats.
I've been out in the woods and yeah, it's just
gorgeous and one of them at all phases. It's a great,
great fern.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Good plant.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Companila Posh karsh Kiena. Again, I'm sober. I pulled that off.
Serby and bellflower. I use it as a groundcover and
it's it. You know, my garden started very sunny and
it did great. Then it's gotten a lot more shady.
It's still doing great. A carpet four three four inches
tall of blue flowers right now, spectacular plant.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Is that one that some people think is a little weedy.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I've never thought so, you know, if you it could,
it's aggressive. It spreads pretty well, not aggressive aggressive, but
it spreads nicely. If you're uncomfortable with that, you could
call it weedy. But man, I've never pulled.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
It because everywhere it shows up, I want it.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, yeah, you know, it's just like that. You know, Mark,
we'll go ahead and take a break. When we come back,
we'll finish up on some plants and a few other
things you're listening to. That's Guarden with Scott Perline. Will
be right back, like Cilantro very good. You mentioned during
the break the Chelsea chop and elaborate on that.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
On that well, I know.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
It's been a thing for a long time, but it
seems to be a thing now in social.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Media way more than I ever heard about it.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah, yeah, So the Chelsea chop, it's for these tall
growing perennials that bloom later like golden rod and perennial sunflowers. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
this time of year, you just kitt your head clippers
out there and chop them down by half.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
And it's called the Chelsea chop.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Why because you time it. It's time for the Chelsea flowers.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
So if you're you got your ear to the ground
and you know what that in England right now they're doing.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
The Chelsea flower show. Or if you just say like mid.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
May, maybe if you're in Siberia, you wouldn't want to
do it at the yeah a little.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Bit, yeah, but mid to late May. Yeah, So you
go out there and you do it with abandon. You
don't have to worry about doing this. You don't have
to be clever about it, do proper pruning guts. You
just go out there and chop these things in half.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
And then what you do as you practice the other thing,
chop and drop. So you just chop them and let
the things lay there and you just leave them.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yep, don't they look disgraceful? Don't they ruin the garden?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
That's you know.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
No, you just maulched and then you got this stuff
like the top.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
It's they fall perfectly.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
They fall perfectly. You know.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
One trick I have learned with string trimming and chopping
like that is, in fact, if you string trim and
layers or chopping layers, so you chop three inches off
the top, and then you go down three more inches
and three more inches and three more inches, which is
really fast and easy with the string trimmer. That the
parts that you've cut are so small they just kind
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of just join in with whatever's on the ground and
kind of disappear really quick.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah. I did a version of that in my garden.
I had a cover crop of winter rye, and I
was right when it bloomed. I was going to cut
it down, and I started at the top and kept
working my way down and I was just using a
hand head shears, and boy, it was really hard to
cut through all those everything build up. Yeah, so by
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the time it wasn't quite as easy as I had imagined.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, in fact, it became a just a horrible experience.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
That's what I'm going to use. So that bed is
now mulched with the cover crop that was on it,
which is ideal, and I'm planning my tomatoes into that.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
You're doing that later today or this week.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Well soon. Yeah, let's talk.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
About some more plants. One that I really like. It
comes it seems to see around. It also will come back.
I don't know if it's short lived or coal winners
get it, but bronze fennel is so cool to have
in the garden, whether it's the ornamental part of the
garden or in the vegetable garden.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah. And when you learn to use fenel in your kitchen, it'll.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Be doubles someday, Mark, someday I'll learn to do that. Yeah, yep, I.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Love that flavor. That anis flavor. I like chewing on
the seeds. I like uzzo those liqueurs and that are
I just like. I like the flavor.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
It's a good flavor. Yeah, it's good for you. It's good,
is it really?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Especially in excess?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Everything?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
In excess everything goat's beard, roncis dioicus. It's just looking
so amazing in my garden.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
You brought all the good plants? Did I know I
failed you here, Scotch You did.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
You didn't bring a list, but you only brought what
two or three plants?
Speaker 3 (30:47):
But three plants?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
So this is a taller perennial. You would want to
chop this because it's blooming now definitely not very fine
ferny foliage. And then these long strings of white blooms
that are that are.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Drapy, kind of like an open still be.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, very much like it will still be with a
very lax form to it, with especially the flowers.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
And man, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I don't know if it's just the flower or where
I've got a place, but it catches like the late
day and early daylight just perfectly is staggeringly.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
It's like a spotlight is on it. It is so beautiful,
it really is.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
When I was down at the gorge, a Red River gorge, boy,
there were some just on the road cuts just kind
of wowering out and it was just holy cow.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I only learned.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I did not know that was a native plant until
like a year ago. I don't know how that got
past me, but yeah, it's a native plant.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah yeah, right, very very cool.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
So you can plant it with no guilt, no guilt whatsoever.
Right you mentioned the climatis I mentioned. I just want
to mention the one I have at home, the Polish
spirit spirit of pulling, Spirit.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Of poling I think it is. It is really nice.
What color is very dark purple?
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Oh yeah, yeah, Oh is that one that you plant
it in the last few years?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
And you know, like Alan Armitage a couple of weeks
ago mentioned, is that you just plant what I did.
And this is before I knew Alan recommended it even is.
I planted it at the base of my one of
my peniculata type hydrages and kind of forgot about it
and it winds its way through there. You never notice
it when it's not in bloom. But when it's in bloom, bam.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah, bam. Mark right, there's just an explosion of purple flowers.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Can you hear that? Bam?
Speaker 1 (32:40):
You can't. It'll wake you up when it happens.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
That's a good plant to put it on, because that's
going to do its thing a lot later.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, yeah, and yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
So you get like two seasons out of that one
shrub with really beautiful flowers. And again, like you never
noticed it when it's not in bloom, it just kind
of weaves it there and doesn't look weedy or anything.
It looks it's just great. I've got a honeysuckle called
right now in bloom. It's called peaches and cream. I think, oh,
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the fragrance coming off of that.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah, some of those.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Are real amazing.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah, we have we have one called fragrant cloud that
just it's super fragrant and it's more it's different. You know,
we have that Japanese vining honeysuckle that's kind of weedy. Yeah, wonderful,
but this, you know, it's it's cool that this fragrant
cloud has a different type of fragrance. Still very tropical,
very sweet.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, tropical is a good way to describe it. And
I think it comes it's more heavy, like at dusk,
you notice it more then.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's really nice, really nice.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Last one on my list is Autumn fern, which gives
you autumn colors this time of year, preview of autumn,
and it comes out with this rusty yellow gold foliage.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
It's just it's just spectacular in the garden and pretty
darn easy to grid it.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
It is one of the easy ones. You know. I
love ferns, but I just haven't really studied them too well.
But I've been lucky enough the spring to see a
lot out in the you know, different habitats and especially
when they're unferil and they're just gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, there's just such a great compliment to the garden,
especially as your garden gets shadier. You can work them
in and they give you that texture which is so
important and really good foliage color and something like cinnamon.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Fern have really what do you call it is the
fertile frond.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
The fertile front looks very nice and striking in the garden.
Some tasks that I'm doing, just getting out there. The
one thing I wanted to mention is, especially with all
this rain, is you don't want to tail or dig until.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
The soil, especially in our heavy soils. If you till now,
you will have hard lumps the rest of the season.
Just till next that those resolve.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, and even digging, you know, if you're chilling and
it's like mixing like batter and clumping up, or even
if you're digging and it's coming in these big chunks
and clumps, stop right now, just wait. It's worth waiting
to just have to chill out, chill out.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Eventually, I just wish I had a little more of
my bed prep complete it by this week. I wish
that it started raining again. But I'll just have to wait.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
You know, one thing I haven't mentioned is turning over
the compost piles. A it's a miserable job. It really
helps it. Uh, come along, continue heat up. Maybe hopefully
I don't have good luck.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Oh no, you have to be hardcore and have different
ingredients stored and ready. You know your little I practice
more of a static composting.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, very mine is like colder than like the outside
temperature or whatever. Yeah, it's actually a cold sink. It
feels like in mine.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Never kills any weed seeds, that's for sure. When I
use that compost, I get it all kinds of vegetables
and weeds coming up.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Mark, when we come back, we're going to have one
of your friends join us. Jenna bon our Aunt just
a great vegetable fruit and vegetable person that's going to
be the focus of the rest.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Of our Jenna knows her stuff, she really does.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
And her YouTube channel is amazing. It's growfully with Jenna.
You can google that and find it. You've known her
for quite a.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
While, Yeah, Jenna. She ran the Gurney's brand for a
long time and then she came over to the Research
Farm and was doing the vegetable trialing.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Very good.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Well, I hope you stay tuned for that. I know
there will be some great, great information coming. You are
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You're listening to Let's Garden with Scott Burling
Here and talk gardens.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Actually today we'll be talking about vegetables, fruits and vegetables
in fact, with two very good guests. One is with
me right now, Mark Wessel from Gardens Alive, my good friend,
and then Jenna Bonorant from Growthly. With Jenna, we'll be
on it at the seven o'clock hour. Mark, I was
(00:23):
doing a little research on you man, Yeah, because you
know I've always been a little vague on gardens Alive.
Where you work and you are the director of research.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm now the chief horticulturist.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Chief horticulturist. That's impressive. They come with a big pay raise.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
It's just a different title, same job.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Huh. Talk to somebody about that. Well, start a national
they treat you good.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, so you know it's an umbrella company. Not really,
but it started as a small company selling organic, sort of.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Environmentally friendly gardens. I was the first brand started, I
believe in our owner's garage. It was first fulfilled out
there environmentally friendly product.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
That's close enough anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
The company has been buying other companies, a lot of
the catalog companies that people are familiar with over the
years and compiled quite a few of them so I
wanted to find out all that that that belonged to
the company. And and so there's two bulb companies, Brex
and a cave On Cavan Vorga Dane.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah right, Yeah, they're both operated out of Holland Bulbs
and bear Root Perennials.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Okay, yeah, why too because of their brands.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
One is I don't know exactly why to, but one
is larger quantities okay, more of a whole type of
smaller and.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Okay, more specialized. And then Gurney's Vegetable Seeds, Gardening Supplies
and Nursery stock a long time company. It's been forever forever, yes, okay,
uh spring Hill Nursery, which began in eighteen forty nine
and specializes says, devoted to new exciting plants that will
perform around the country. Gardener's Supply, which offers tools and product.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
That's a new acquisition, is it, And that's you know,
really nice gardening hardware.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I get catalogs and it's always beautiful stuff. And uh Isley,
which is what the premiere wholesale wholesaleer of unique conifers.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
And general A lot of people Knowley and yesess, I
mean they have a well beautiful product.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah. We based out in Oregon, Boring organ Boring.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Orgon can see. Uh is it mount Hood from there?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Ye, beautiful, beautiful part of the country where a lot
of nurseries are big whole are there. And then there's
three little companies I was surprised about. I didn't know once,
like a jigsaw company called Bits and Pieces and Ink Pixie,
which is personalized.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, that's relatively new to us.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
And Bres Gifts.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, that's part of the Brex thing.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, well, glad you're here.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
It's it gets confusing to explain who we are, that's
for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
It does.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
It changes, change, It changes all the time.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
You guys are always.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Adding, adding or subtracting. Oh and yeah, we used to
have weeks roses. It's a long long time. But finally
that's not in our hands anymore.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Gotcha, got you?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And that's not unusual in the nursery trade for companies
to change hands and move around and things like that.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Uh, we are actually already at our first break. We'll
go ahead and take it and we'll we'll do our
national national days of months of weeks of when we
get back. You are listening to Let's Garden with Scott Berline.
We'll be right back. Welcome back, good morning. Let's this
is Let's Garden with Scott Berline. I am Scott Berline.
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I'm here with Mark Wessel from Gardens Alive. We just
did a good job of introducing you. I think one
thing I didn't mention you are a full on plants person.
You you know everything from spring ephemerals out in the
wild to solidago you've been learning, you know, golden rods,
everything in the nature, then ornamental horticulture and food vegable
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fruits and vegetables, which we'll talk about the rest of
the show later.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
You're the full full, the real deal.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Well, thanks, Scott. I just enjoy plants and nature in general,
so having interest in many facets keeps me occupied. If
one's not happening, another one.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Is keeps you out of trouble and off tracks.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
If the plants aren't good, bird watching might be better.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
There you go and you do a lot of that too.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
You keep smell the bars.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
It keeps you well.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Mark.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
We always do start every show with national days of
This is because without them, I have no guideposts for
how I.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Live my life.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
This is for you.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Mainly for me, but I figure, you know, if it's
for me, it's like the same old thing.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It also applies to everyone else.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I hope there's not a lot of bakery.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
There are not as many, not as many. But I
will point out, you know again, the big treats lobby
is way out of control. But anyway, for the month
of May, let's get caught reading month. If what if
you're going to get caught reading? What would you be reading?
Comic books?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
No, it's usually nonfiction, but some you know, just trashy novel.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Okay, it's older Americans month that applies to me. Maybe
you getting close?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, egg month, skin cancer awareness months, saw some month,
blood pressure education month, correct your posture month, I could use.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
I should be focused in on that.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
What else miniature garden month, Salad month, you're all about salad.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
You're a big healthy eater guy.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
It's also barbecue month, so that's something I yeah, and
they do strawberry month, photography month. I gotta get some
Brian Jorgan here again, talk about garden photography sometime. So
also Hamburger Month and cheese months, so you can combine
the two by having cheeseburgers. Uh, Lime Disease Awareness month,
(06:16):
So everybody regarding tics, use your repellence, treat your clothing,
shower two hours after coming in, within two hours after
coming indoors.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Well, Scott, they take tics have taken the fun out
of things a lot of me. I mean, I'm you know,
I'm all paranoid about walking in the weeds now. Which
are so many things that they transmit.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, scary stuff. But you know, I think if you
take these precautions.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And I haven't had any problems, So.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Tuck your pants into your socks or tape them.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, scared.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
And these these items that you can treat your clothes
with I think, or number one, really really big protective thing.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, they do work.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
And if you get a tick. If you get a tick,
use fine tip.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Tweezers to grab it as close to the skin as possible,
pull upwards with steady even pressure. Do not jerk or twist,
do not burn with us whatever you know, just and
then use some alcohol when you're done that.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
So I can't put the cigarette on them and make
them the match.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You can, but it's not recommend It's probably going to
cause you a disease and a burn. Fourth week of
May really not much safe boating week in this medical
beach week.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
What medical?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I don't know. I didn't look it up. Today is
Lucky Penny Day. That's fine.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Well they're going to outlaw. That's probably get rid of
pennies vene.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It's right if you pick soon yep, and okay, our
first treat, our first sugar retreat, Taffy Day.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
So that's got a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
It's just there goes your fillings.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, so true. Tomorrow May twenty fourth, Sunday, Brothers Day.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Do you have brothers?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
I have several brothers.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I don't have any brothers. Oh too bad, ms brothers.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
They might be I've got great brothers.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
You got great brothers?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Good good good Scavenger hunt Day, that's I guess fun.
I guess Aviation maintenance technician Day. I used to work
for an airline and man, I'll tell you what those
guys are methodical, they have they run through checklists. It's
it's amazing how structured that work is and it has
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to be and it.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Works, it works, Thanks goodness.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, yeah, family fun Day. You could tend shrimp day,
s cargo day. So there are some good foods there.
I guess. I don't know how you go about finding
you could tan shrimp specifically, but I guess you can
and celebrate the day accordingly. Monday, May twenty fifth, Wine Day,
(08:56):
every day, right, it can be, it should be. I
like wine. I'm learning to like it more and more
all the time. It's also Memorial Day. That's very important.
So find the people around you who have served our
country and and let them know today, raise a glass
of wine, let them know how much we appreciate their service.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Tow Day, how day?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Why why they're important? Tap dance Day again? Why tap
dancing is just weird? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Well, if you could put coordination.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
I don't know it's impressive when you see it, but
you know.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
What, two minutes of it's good.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, two minutes is spressive. Plenty brown bag at Day
and Geek Pride Day. Geek Pride. I think anybody that's
a gardener is pretty much a geek. You have no comments.
I thought you would follow.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
That week it being a geek is just normal to me.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Tuesday, Paper airplane Day.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
It's been many years since I've done a paper airplane.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
About a month ago, throwing it at our cats.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, they can be a lot of fun, they can
also be great sources of frustration. And our first bake
treat Day Blueberry Cheesecake Day.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Again.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I like the blueberry park God, They're so good.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah, and I like the cheesecake part too, But there
probably is no denser, high calorie food than cheesecake. On Wednesday,
May twenty seven, forgive me grape Day. And didn't say
whether it's the fruit or the plant. I'm going with
the plant. The fruit is good too.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Grape Day.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Grape Day that's on Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
People eat a lot of grapes.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I love grapes and I've been trying to grow some too.
I know it's not the easiest crop to grow around here, Yeah,
but yeah, it's They're fun to eat right off the cockboards,
you know, right.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Very flavorful, very It's also flip flops Day. Make sure
you wear your applied Scott.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I don't like that.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I don't like them.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I don't like flip flop flip flop.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, And I always walk weird in them, and then
I'm like it's stiff and and uh, you know, rocks
and gravel get in them, and it's just like, just
why am I doing this?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I should just put my shoes and socks on.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Like a normal person, like a grown up, like a
grown up, not wear flip flops anymore. It's Great Popsicle Day,
so it's already grape Day, but it's also Great Popsicle Day.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
And wine Day, so grapes are having their yeah day.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yeah, they really are having their moment Senior Health and
Fitness Day. So i'll, you know, get those little weights
and kind of wing them around like you do. Cellfane
Tape Day. You know, it's one of those things you
don't think to celebrate, but maybe that's the whole point
of having a day devoted to cellphone.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Tape comes in handy when you need it.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Thursday is amazing. Thursday, May twenty eighth, it's full on
cow Day, Hamburger Day, beef Burger Day, and brisket Day.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Well, cows are having their day again, are they?
Speaker 1 (12:05):
So yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Yeah, we got to eat her or beef.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah yeah. Friday, to finish this up, is a paper
clip day. And uh, I don't know how to say this?
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Is it? Coke o Vin Day? The French dish.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Oh yeah, the chicken in the chicken cokevon Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, that's a classic French staple cocoa von translates to
rooster with wine. It's a rustic, peasant style dish that
is easy to serve when entertaining because a lot of
the work can be done in advance.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
So you just I remember this cute little French pistro
where I had that for the first time?
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Is that right? Tell me more? Were you there with
a young lady?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
I don't remember anything or I can't really report on it.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Well, that's disappointing five to nine day. So that's a
reminder to contribute to nine savings Plants for kids tuition,
your kids, your grandkids, other kids.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
That's yeah, I think that's a great idea great reminder.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Well, let's go ahead and dive into some of our
favorite favorite plants right now for the this week of
May twenty third.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Ok, what have you got to go with? First?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Well, the season is wrapping up, but I've been really
loving columbines. Yeah. It's a fascinating flower. It's almost space age.
It's just a weird looking forty yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
The spurs, the long spurs, well, so we are. They're
known to be very precarious. They intermix quickly.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Oh yeah, I've got everything going on.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yeah, yeah, So we just had one species with a
few varieties out there, and then we brought in our
native canadensis.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Which is a great one by itself.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Oh by itself, and we barely have that anymore. But
it just mixed with the Vulgaris types and they're just
every shade and it's really cool. And then a few
years ago I bought a bunch of varieties from the
North American Rock Garden seed List, which several were misidentified.
Some really cool. The Western there's the Crysantha, the yellow
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one and the long spurs, and then another one with
even longer spurs, and one similar to our canadensis but
wherever the pedals are flared out. It's just been really
fun watching the.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
There's such beautiful plants.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
And from what you're seeing in my experience too, is
you get all this cross breeding and but none of
the plants.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
They'll tell you with every other plant, oh, you lose.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
The desirable feature when you get these crosses. But with Columbine,
it just seems to me that they're all pretty.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
They all look good.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah, yeah, there have been a few duds, but yeah,
and it seems like they're getting better.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
They're kind of interesting. Yeah. Yeah, well if you pull
the duds, then you're selected.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Well you're yeah, you're you are selecting.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
And the Canadensis, our native one is is such a
nice plant with the what would you call it color?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Kind of a rusty red.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
It's a reddish orange yellow in there. Yeah, and the
hummingbirds just love it. That's the first thing we see
hummingbirds on.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Huh, I have not noticed that.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
That.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
That's cool. I had one a long time ago. I've
lost it.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I need to get it back, but one called I
think it's a western species, Aqualligia.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Flageleta or flag aleta.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Oh, little short, little guy, creamy blue and white flowers.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
That's a cute little thing.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
It seemed to grow anywhere it would be in rocky
areas and crew out of the middle of a rotten stump.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
For one hole year a couple of years. That was
kind of cool.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
I have next on my list, the geranium and the
saying this is a little tricky, but canta bridge.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Oh yeah, that's trying not to pronounce that.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, but it's impressive when you pull it off, and
it's like, you know, officer, I can prove I'm sober
can't Virgi and C and yep you're.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
An English major, so that helps.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
No sort of communications slash English. But the two varieties,
I really like the ones that you find out there,
and they're old. I don't people aren't putting out a
lot of new ones out but by a Cova and
Carmena are really nice groundcovery geraniums green for a long time,
very pungent and deer and nothing else will bother them.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
I think there's a new.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Series called Crystal so Crystal Rose and Crystal those. Yeah,
I've got Crystal Rose and it's really really nice.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
It does. It is a very nice groundcover. When it's
well grown, it's a beauty.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
It could take I would say, darn close to full
sun and into pretty heavy shade.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Yeah, it's one of those things you see it from
a distance and you're like, what is that?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Yeah, and it just it's it starts early, it's real lush.
It covers the ground really nicely, and it fills in
pretty quickly too, which is nice. One that I've been
noticing and I know that you're probably a big fan
of And we got a minute and a half before break,
But Bignonia caprioleta crossvine. It's a native vine to the
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eastern United States. It's not used near enough in gardens,
but what a beauty it is.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
It is. It is a great plant, and it really
climbs high in the trees. And you know it's got
word like on its northern edge. We are it's range.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, and another native vine, I really like, you know,
we're gone to a minute.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yep is a honeysuckle. You know you mentioned the word honeysuckle.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
People that their hair stands stands on and they start cussing,
you know, uncontrollably. It's a much hated genus of plants
because good for good reasons, with a lot of them
being real thugs or downright invasive plants. But this is
a native it's a cultivar of Lascera reticulata. But it's
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called Kinsley's ghosts.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Oh, that's a cool point.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It's so cool.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It looks it's got blue foliage which is perfoliate, so
it looks like eucalyptus right in the garden.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, we'll take a break.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
We'll continue with favorite plants right now in just a
few minutes.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You're listening to that's.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Garden Scup and great horticulturist and naturalists Mark Wessel from
the Gardens of a Live Company, And we're talking favorite
plants right now, and you know, we've got through that first.
We're kind of in this weird second flush. I think
I think of it like, you know, spring comes hard
and then there's sort of just this it sort of
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eases in and relaxes a little bit. Ye, and we're
in that a little bit of a law in the action,
but still a lot going on in the garden and
a lot to talk about. We just finished talking about
cross fine, which isn't used very much, and then lanesra
or the Kinsley's ghost native honeysuckle, another native I've got.
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It's really kind of wrapping up. But the pagoda dogwood
cornice alternate folio. You very seldom see it, you know,
in gardens, but I have one in mine and there's
another at All Park in Cincinnati here, and when that's
in bloom is spectacular.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
It is that layered Yeah, the layered effect. It's called
pagoda dogwood because.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Of that sort of that look where the branches stretch
out and then these flowers are are not like the
dogwood flowers on flowering dogwood, but more like a viburnum flower,
you know, kind of a humbol I guess is the word.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I don't know, kind of like.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
That shasta viburnum sort of.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Right, sort of like that clusters flat clusters, but they're fine,
they're finer flowers.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Uh. It's just such a beauty.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
And uh, you know, it's a plant that I think
needs a protected spot, needs some shade and good soil.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, when you see it in the wilderness, it's usually
is at least shaded on the or on the edge.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
What's your next plant, mark, Well.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
This is one I know is near to your heart.
In Common, that's the Katulpa tree.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Oh, we've all been talking about the cat Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I mean they're just tough trees.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Rugged and the Marlborough men like trees.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah. Yeah, And they have that great branch structure where
the branches are just round it. There's no harsh angles,
just the great silwet and then when they bloom, it's
you know, it's really impressive. I know some people that
are bothered by all the blossoms.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Falling with well, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
You don't want it right next to your patio. Maybe
I don't know. But and then you get the katulpa worms,
those caterpillars.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Which fish go fishing with. Yeah, and they're such stately trees.
They will last forever. I don't they'll outlive everything. I've
seen them in vacant lots, going out of cracks in
the pavement. Very very tough, very very tough. And they
just have that stateliness, you know. Uh, in the winter time,
they're they're kind of coarse. The branching is really coarse,
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and and then leaves are kind of coarse because they're big.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
But that's not a great fold eaged. I mean it
has great leaves.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
But yeahs not known for no and the fall color
is not that great. But you know, it's just one
of those trees you ought to be thinking about for
tough sites.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Especially.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Yeah, you talk about plants for climate change.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
There you go, Yeah, I can deal. It can handle anything.
My next one is Japanese maples. You know, I love them,
But one in particular is Coto and Noo, which I
have right in my front not even yard, a little
bed in front of my house. And that is just
such a beauty. Every day I pull into the driveway
and see that backlit. It is fantastic all season long
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with the foliage, very fine filigree foliage and great shape,
and I have pruned it to kind of shape it
a little bit. And then eventually the fall color, which
is this collage of orange and yellow and red. So
it proceeds through this several weeks. It's just a great one.
And Japanese paint of ferns are really love love those
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great for dryer shade in gardens.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
You know, easy to grow.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Easy to grow, and they go well under your Japanese
maples like spirits.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
They're like, oh, good to see you. You know, I
thought I was going to be alone here. What's your
next plant?
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Uh, Climatis clematis depending on Yeah, I mean right now
we're in the sweet spot. It's just there's a color
for everybody. There's short ones, there's tall ones. They're easy
to grow. Just I love the climatis.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
The tricky part, I think is that first couple of years,
you know, when it's getting established.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah, that's true. And they're a little fragile. I mean
they're not overall, they're tough, but it's easy to disturb
them and bring them. Their stems are brittle.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
I find that I string trim them way too often.
I kind of get too close. I'm trying to get
other weeds and.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Bammed string trimmers.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Yeah, he's a bad one. He's really a bad string trimmer.
Tree lilacs. No, I know every silk is everywhere, and
it's everywhere. You know, it's very showy right now. But
I really like the others that the China tree lilac
rather than the Japanese one, so soaringa picking ensis.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Oh yeah that's nice.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, great, wall is really showy right now. It's looking good,
looking good with blooms. And then also it has that
cherry like bark, which is just another great added feature.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yeah, any little extra feature to make it look good
in the landscape.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yep, give it more. Seasons of interest catments nepeda. I
don't know how you say x FASc any. I.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Yeah, they're having their moment right now, they really are.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And this is you know, you'll see this in parking lots,
full sun, crap soil. Yeah, hell strips, hell strips all
the bad places, doing just by. In fact, I think
it looks better when it's in poor conditions because it
doesn't tend to fall flop over so yeah, yeah, but
it looks like a sort of you know, a poor
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man's lavender, and you can grow it and clay a
lot easier to grow.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
And you whack it back hard after you know that
first bloom, and you'll get another flush. I'll be quite
as actually, Scott, I was. I was wanting to measure
the blooms at different times. See how much mass the
first how they compare the first bloom to the second bloom.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
You start on that.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
And you driving down the road and.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, thinking, well, you know, act on those thoughts and
come back with some real good information everybody can use.
Walker's low is probably the most common version of that.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Uh uh, that plant.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
But also there's a bunch of new ones, all with
corny names that refer back to it being a cat
meant Persian blue makes me want to puke. Cat watch it,
Cat's pajamas, cat's meow kit cat. Enough already, yeah enough, already,
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this is getting on my nerve.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Well, not only that, we have enough varieties. Let's move
on to some other. Yeah, put your breeding efforts into
it is something or a different form of it, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Another nipita, another species Nepita rhimosa. I don't know the
common name on it, but we've been using this at
the Cincinnati Botanical Gardener Zoo. It's called Blue Wonder and
it is fabulous. It's very different. It's more leafy, dark
green foliage. Tends to our experiences, does pretty good in
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semi shade sort of experiences. The flowers are very very cool,
very cool.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Is it a larger flower? Is it more upright?
Speaker 1 (25:41):
It's upright.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It's probably about knee high. Great in a mass. It
looks really good in you know, groupings. But ok, Yeah,
when did they move cinnamon fur from ozmanda to ozmandastrum?
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I don't know, but I don't like it. I like
the old.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, the name's much easier.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
But those are great ferns for the and people don't
think about ferns enough, but that's that's an easy one
to grow.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
They're very bold. I've seen a lot in different habitats.
I've been out in the woods and yeah, it's just
gorgeous and one of them at all phases. It's a great,
great fern.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Good plant.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Companila Posh karsh Kiena. Again, I'm sober. I pulled that off.
Serby and bellflower. I use it as a groundcover and
it's it. You know, my garden started very sunny and
it did great. Then it's gotten a lot more shady.
It's still doing great. A carpet four three four inches
tall of blue flowers right now, spectacular plant.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Is that one that some people think is a little weedy.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I've never thought so, you know, if you it could,
it's aggressive. It spreads pretty well, not aggressive aggressive, but
it spreads nicely. If you're uncomfortable with that, you could
call it weedy. But man, I've never pulled.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
It because everywhere it shows up, I want it.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, yeah, you know, it's just like that. You know, Mark,
we'll go ahead and take a break. When we come back,
we'll finish up on some plants and a few other
things you're listening to. That's Guarden with Scott Perline. Will
be right back, like Cilantro very good. You mentioned during
the break the Chelsea chop and elaborate on that.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
On that well, I know.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
It's been a thing for a long time, but it
seems to be a thing now in social.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Media way more than I ever heard about it.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah, yeah, So the Chelsea chop, it's for these tall
growing perennials that bloom later like golden rod and perennial sunflowers. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
this time of year, you just kitt your head clippers
out there and chop them down by half.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
And it's called the Chelsea chop.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Why because you time it. It's time for the Chelsea flowers.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
So if you're you got your ear to the ground
and you know what that in England right now they're doing.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
The Chelsea flower show. Or if you just say like mid.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
May, maybe if you're in Siberia, you wouldn't want to
do it at the yeah a little.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Bit, yeah, but mid to late May. Yeah, So you
go out there and you do it with abandon. You
don't have to worry about doing this. You don't have
to be clever about it, do proper pruning guts. You
just go out there and chop these things in half.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
And then what you do as you practice the other thing,
chop and drop. So you just chop them and let
the things lay there and you just leave them.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yep, don't they look disgraceful? Don't they ruin the garden?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
That's you know.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
No, you just maulched and then you got this stuff
like the top.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
It's they fall perfectly.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
They fall perfectly. You know.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
One trick I have learned with string trimming and chopping
like that is, in fact, if you string trim and
layers or chopping layers, so you chop three inches off
the top, and then you go down three more inches
and three more inches and three more inches, which is
really fast and easy with the string trimmer. That the
parts that you've cut are so small they just kind
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of just join in with whatever's on the ground and
kind of disappear really quick.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Yeah. I did a version of that in my garden.
I had a cover crop of winter rye, and I
was right when it bloomed. I was going to cut
it down, and I started at the top and kept
working my way down and I was just using a
hand head shears, and boy, it was really hard to
cut through all those everything build up. Yeah, so by
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the time it wasn't quite as easy as I had imagined.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yeah, in fact, it became a just a horrible experience.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
That's what I'm going to use. So that bed is
now mulched with the cover crop that was on it,
which is ideal, and I'm planning my tomatoes into that.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
You're doing that later today or this week.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Well soon. Yeah, let's talk.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
About some more plants. One that I really like. It
comes it seems to see around. It also will come back.
I don't know if it's short lived or coal winners
get it, but bronze fennel is so cool to have
in the garden, whether it's the ornamental part of the
garden or in the vegetable garden.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah. And when you learn to use fenel in your kitchen, it'll.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Be doubles someday, Mark, someday I'll learn to do that. Yeah, yep, I.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Love that flavor. That anis flavor. I like chewing on
the seeds. I like uzzo those liqueurs and that are
I just like. I like the flavor.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
It's a good flavor. Yeah, it's good for you. It's good,
is it really?
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Especially in excess?
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Everything?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
In excess everything goat's beard, roncis dioicus. It's just looking
so amazing in my garden.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
You brought all the good plants? Did I know I
failed you here, Scotch You did.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
You didn't bring a list, but you only brought what
two or three plants?
Speaker 3 (30:47):
But three plants?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
So this is a taller perennial. You would want to
chop this because it's blooming now definitely not very fine
ferny foliage. And then these long strings of white blooms
that are that are.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Drapy, kind of like an open still be.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, very much like it will still be with a
very lax form to it, with especially the flowers.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
And man, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
I don't know if it's just the flower or where
I've got a place, but it catches like the late
day and early daylight just perfectly is staggeringly.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
It's like a spotlight is on it. It is so beautiful,
it really is.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
When I was down at the gorge, a Red River gorge, boy,
there were some just on the road cuts just kind
of wowering out and it was just holy cow.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I only learned.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
I did not know that was a native plant until
like a year ago. I don't know how that got
past me, but yeah, it's a native plant.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah yeah, right, very very cool.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
So you can plant it with no guilt, no guilt whatsoever.
Right you mentioned the climatis I mentioned. I just want
to mention the one I have at home, the Polish
spirit spirit of pulling, Spirit.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
Of poling I think it is. It is really nice.
What color is very dark purple?
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Oh yeah, yeah, Oh is that one that you plant
it in the last few years?
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
And you know, like Alan Armitage a couple of weeks
ago mentioned, is that you just plant what I did.
And this is before I knew Alan recommended it even is.
I planted it at the base of my one of
my peniculata type hydrages and kind of forgot about it
and it winds its way through there. You never notice
it when it's not in bloom. But when it's in bloom, bam.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah, bam. Mark right, there's just an explosion of purple flowers.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Can you hear that? Bam?
Speaker 1 (32:40):
You can't. It'll wake you up when it happens.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
That's a good plant to put it on, because that's
going to do its thing a lot later.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, yeah, and yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
So you get like two seasons out of that one
shrub with really beautiful flowers. And again, like you never
noticed it when it's not in bloom, it just kind
of weaves it there and doesn't look weedy or anything.
It looks it's just great. I've got a honeysuckle called
right now in bloom. It's called peaches and cream. I think, oh,
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the fragrance coming off of that.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Yeah, some of those.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Are real amazing.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Yeah, we have we have one called fragrant cloud that
just it's super fragrant and it's more it's different. You know,
we have that Japanese vining honeysuckle that's kind of weedy. Yeah, wonderful,
but this, you know, it's it's cool that this fragrant
cloud has a different type of fragrance. Still very tropical,
very sweet.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah, tropical is a good way to describe it. And
I think it comes it's more heavy, like at dusk,
you notice it more then.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's really nice, really nice.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Last one on my list is Autumn fern, which gives
you autumn colors this time of year, preview of autumn,
and it comes out with this rusty yellow gold foliage.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
It's just it's just spectacular in the garden and pretty
darn easy to grid it.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
It is one of the easy ones. You know. I
love ferns, but I just haven't really studied them too well.
But I've been lucky enough the spring to see a
lot out in the you know, different habitats and especially
when they're unferil and they're just gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, there's just such a great compliment to the garden,
especially as your garden gets shadier. You can work them
in and they give you that texture which is so
important and really good foliage color and something like cinnamon.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Fern have really what do you call it is the
fertile frond.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
The fertile front looks very nice and striking in the garden.
Some tasks that I'm doing, just getting out there. The
one thing I wanted to mention is, especially with all
this rain, is you don't want to tail or dig until.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
The soil, especially in our heavy soils. If you till now,
you will have hard lumps the rest of the season.
Just till next that those resolve.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, and even digging, you know, if you're chilling and
it's like mixing like batter and clumping up, or even
if you're digging and it's coming in these big chunks
and clumps, stop right now, just wait. It's worth waiting
to just have to chill out, chill out.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Eventually, I just wish I had a little more of
my bed prep complete it by this week. I wish
that it started raining again. But I'll just have to wait.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
You know, one thing I haven't mentioned is turning over
the compost piles. A it's a miserable job. It really
helps it. Uh, come along, continue heat up. Maybe hopefully
I don't have good luck.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Oh no, you have to be hardcore and have different
ingredients stored and ready. You know your little I practice
more of a static composting.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, very mine is like colder than like the outside
temperature or whatever. Yeah, it's actually a cold sink. It
feels like in mine.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Never kills any weed seeds, that's for sure. When I
use that compost, I get it all kinds of vegetables
and weeds coming up.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Mark, when we come back, we're going to have one
of your friends join us. Jenna bon our Aunt just
a great vegetable fruit and vegetable person that's going to
be the focus of the rest.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Of our Jenna knows her stuff, she really does.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
And her YouTube channel is amazing. It's growfully with Jenna.
You can google that and find it. You've known her
for quite a.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
While, Yeah, Jenna. She ran the Gurney's brand for a
long time and then she came over to the Research
Farm and was doing the vegetable trialing.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Very good.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Well, I hope you stay tuned for that. I know
there will be some great, great information coming. You are
listening to Let's Guarden with Scott Berline. You can find
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