Dr. TO 859

First show on TheFreak, talking about the terminalogy of a sprian and discussions about Aaron Rodgers. We also take callers and answer any questions they have.

Episode Transcript

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It's tip off time for Doctor t. O. Sorreel and Inside Sports Medicine
on ninety seven to one The FreakDoctor Sorriel, one of the nation's leading
orthopedic surgons and former head team physicianfor the Dallas Mavericks, bringing his unique
sports insights and stories from inside thegame. With special guests from the world
of professional, college and high schoolsports and sports medicine. The Doctor breaks

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it all down. Buckle up yourchin strap and taking your laces for the
most informative ninety minutes in sports medicine. It's kickoff time for Inside Sports Medicine
with Doctor T. O. Sorrelon ninety seven to one The Freaky call

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it TV for Good Saturday Morning.Everyone, Good Saturday morning, and welcome
to Inside Sports Medicine. Me.I'm your host, Doctor T sorryl live
in the studio on this episode numbereight hundred and fifty nine. For those

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of you keeping track, what eighthundred and fifty nine? How is that
possible? This is our first episode. I ninety seven won the Freak where
we say what we want. Icould not be happier than just being here
today and continuing the tradition that isInside sports medicine. I'm going to assume

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that every one of you listening isnew to the show, although I know
that those who have followed us forthe last twenty two years are probably going
to be tuning in today. Soa little bit of background. Yeah,
the intro said a lot. Yeah, I took care of the Mavericks for

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a good part of three decades.I am an orthopedic surgeon, and I
am a practicing orthopedic surgeon. Thatis my day job. The reason that's
important is because you guys need toknow. I'm not a radio guy.
I am not a radio guy.I don't know about resets, I don't

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know about breaks, I barely knowabout rejoins. But I guess after twenty
two years you learned something. Sowhy are we here? So sports medicine
is is everywhere. One of thethings we're gonna talk about today is Aaron
Rodgers. We're going to talk aboutthe fact that he's coming back to practice

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at eleven weeks or twelve weeks.You can't be a sportsperson, a sports
fan and not have to know somethingabout sports medicine. There's nothing difficult about
what I do. It's just adifferent language, and we're going to be

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kind of trying to educate you.The start of every episode ever has been
the same. This is your sportsmedicine current events show, where the topics
are ripped right off of the sportsdesk. Over the next ninety minutes,
you're going to be informed, entertained, and hopefully learn something new. You're

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going to have a chance to callin. I'm going to give out the
number several times, and we dotake calls. Hopefully they are sports medicine
calls and not hate calls. Butyeah, so the intro is all about
informing, maybe entertaining, but learningsomething. You know, Episode one twenty

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two years ago, I was onESPN and I really had no idea what
I was doing, and the planwas just to talk about terminology. What
is a sprain? What is astrain? You know, people confuse us
all the time. For my world, those are not interchangeable. What is

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a fracture? So we did allthe basics, and throughout this upcoming season,
which is season twenty three for InsideSports Medicine, we're gonna be revisiting
all of these things. Hairline fracture, what the hell does that mean?
All of those things high ankle sprainedall of those things. I'd like to

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keep it at the thirty thousand footlevel where it's big picture type of discussions.
But every once in a while,especially when my co host here,
doctor Bloomenthalow, Doctor Billard, you'llcatch us in the weeds sometime. Oh
you know, I use this kindof titanium whatever. Whatever. Yeah,
yeah, we get into the weeds. But big picture, what exactly are

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we doing? So we do havea lot to get to. I do
want to make sure that I mentioneda couple of things nineteen years on ESPN.
I'll share the story of how thatgot started in just a minute.
Almost two years on the ticket,and then I took a year off and

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I realized that I still have alot to say. I still want to
explain to people things I love toteach. And hopefully what's going to come
across over the next ninety minutes isthe fact that I do a lot of
teaching. What you hear today onSaturday Mornings from me is exactly the word

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for word what I tell my patientsthroughout the week. The difference is I
don't have the visual, you know, so in the office, I draw
pictures. I have a model,but on radio, you don't do that.
And I'll tell you the fact thatI don't have visual actually helps me
explain it better. And I've useda lot of what I learned here in

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my practice because I had to comeup with analogies. You know, herniated
disk is like a jelly filled donut, that kind of thing. I had
to have these analogies on the radiobecause I don't have a visual, and
I use them. I use themevery day. So what you're going to
hear from me is everyday language todescribe some kind of complicated things. But

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hopefully you're gonna enjoy it. Iwant to say that the very first episode
back in two thousand and one,it was the third week of September two
thousand and one. Well, Imight as well share the story with you
now. On a Friday afternoon,I was in the office, and very

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few good things happen on a Fridayafternoon in a medical practice. Just take
that for what it's worth. Thisyoung lady shows up and she's trying to
sell airtime on a new station calledESPN. They were opening an affiliate in
Dallas, and she said, wouldyou like to buy time? I said,
you know, doctors don't really advertise. I'm not interested in buying airtime,

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thank you very very much, butI do have an idea if you
guys are looking for content. Well, she didn't seem interested. I told
her about a sports medicine show wherepeople can call in, and she like
she was trying to sell airtime.Three weeks later, I got a call
from the station manager, guy namesgot Massteller, who actually went on to
bigger and better things. He wasprogram director for all of ESPN Radio.

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And so Scott comes over and says, hey, look, I like your
idea. I'm going to give youa shot. The slot is going to
be from six thirty to seven ona Saturday morning, and we'll run it
out the flag pole and see howit works. So what I was expecting,
I was expecting somebody to coach me. I was expecting somebody to tell

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He said, just show up nextSaturday, six o'clock in the morning and
we'll take it from there. SoI show up next Saturday at six o'clock
in the morning at the studio andI can't really remember where the studio was
now, but the board op wasasleep. I had to wake him up,
and I said, I'm here todo a show at six point thirty,

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and he points me to this roomthat literally was a closet I don't
know, five feet by five feetsoundproof, dark, dark, dark.
There was a bored in front ofme. My guess is that's where they
recorded commercials and stuff. But therewas a giant board in front of me,
and it had I don't know,five hundred buttons. And he said,

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see this button right here. Isaid, yeah. He goes,
that's the only one you can touch. When you want to talk, you
push the button. When you don'twant to talk, you push the button
again. I said, all right, And next thing I know, we
were on the air. So thirtyminute show is actually eighteen minutes by the
time you have Sports Center and commercialsand all kinds of stuff. So one

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of the most difficult things that Ilearned about radio is is timing is well,
okay, so I have this conceptand I have a limited amount of
time to get the concept across topeople, and either sometimes I do it
too fast and I've got time whereI don't have anything to say, or
sometimes I'm halfway through and it's commercialbreak. Anyway, that was episode one

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and somehow or another it caught onand I got moved from six thirty two
seven AM, so it was fromseven to eight. Next thing I know,
we get two hours. Next thingI know, we get to a
more favorable spot. We were fromeight to ten and nineteen years later,
nineteen years later, every Saturday morningthat I was in Dallas, I was

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on air, and it just kindof becomes part of part of your life.
Yeah, a lot of mistakes,made a lot of mistakes, but
I like to think that we alsohelped a lot of people. And it's
not meant to be that you callin and you get a second opinion.

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That is not what it's meant tobe. It's meant to teach you what
to expect, what to ask whenyou go see your doc, when you
go see the sports doc about littleJohnny's ankle, what to ask, what
to look for. What's the differencebetween an X ray and an MRI.
Why is he not getting an MRI? Well, sometimes you don't need it.

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Sometimes you don't need an MRI.But that's the point of the show.
And I like to think that we'vebeen successful enough that the folks at
the Freak said, Hey, wewant to run this up the flagpole one
more time. After nineteen years atESPN, they went away from the radio

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business and we were fortunate enough toshare the studio with the Ticket and I
was asked to move over to theTicket, which was great. It's like
one of the top stations in town. I said, sure. Problem was
the time slot. We were noteight to ten anymore. We were six

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to eight, six in the morning. Six to eight meant that I had
to wake up at four, beat the studio by five to be ready
to do the show at six.And after a couple of years that I
thought, you know, you needto take a break, because they did
not have a better time slot totake us. Very very busy, and

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so we kind of took about ayear off. There is not a week
that goes by where someone does notask when are you coming back on here.
I never really understood how how manypeople we touched over the last twenty

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two years. And I'm glad.I'm glad to be back. I still
have a lot to say, Istill have a lot more to teach,
and the folks here at ninety sevento one. The Freak gave me that
opportunity. So we're here on theother side of the glass is Garrett Wood

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Morning. Garrett morning, How areyou doing? Pretty good? Not too
bad. I was actually surprised whenI got here that you were here before
me. That's unusual, but thankyou. Of course. I had to
make sure I had everything ready foryou today. Man, you did so.
The phone number two one four seveneight seven nineteen seventy one. And

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for those of you in fort Wortheight one seven seven eight seven nineteen seventy
one. One of the questions Iasked yesterday is, in this day and
age, when everybody has a cellphone, why the heck do we have
two different prefixes? What if ifif you're in New York and you dial
two one four, it ain't gonnacost you anymore than it will from here.

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But they told me that that's howthey've done it, and I'm going
to do it like that. Soif you're from Fort Worth, do not
dial the two one four number.Do not dial the eight one seven number
seven eight seven nineteen seventy one.If you're in Dallas or any other place
around the planet except fort Worth twoone four seven eight seven nineteen seventy one.

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In the very beginning, when wedid the show. We actually had
to take out an eight hundred numberbecause there were people calling from Oklahoma and
from you know, New Orleans andwhatever. So in order for them not
to have to incur long distance charges, we took out it. We had
an eight hundred number. Yeah.So one of the other things you're going

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to learn about me if you're justtuning in, I'm older. So there's
a gap that I'm going to bringto you terminology that if you're a millennial,
you probably don't know what long distancecharges mean. But yes, we

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used to have to pay extra tocall fort Worth. Anyway, Cam Smith's
in the studio with me, andI'm gonna introduce him when we come back
after this break. Morning Camp Morning. How are you. I'm great.
I'm here to serve well, you'redoing great. It's full service around you
here at ninety sable one to free. Yeah. So two one four seven

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eight seven ninety seven to one.We are going to have a couple of
segments. We have a I'm gonnaintroduce you to sports medicine one oh one,
which is kind of the educational thing. We have a segment that I
always cringe when we bring this up. It's called the business of medicine,
and I hate talking about it.I'm very uncomfortable, but yet it ends

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up being one of the most popularsegments because people don't understand why hospital charges
one hundred and twenty five thousand dollarsfor hip replacement and ends up settling for
twelve hundred. They don't understand that, but that is the business of medicine,
and we are going to talk aboutit. Look, we got to
go on our very first break.Thank you so much for joining us.
Stick around. I'm too sorrel yourhost of Inside Sports Medicine, coming right

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back. Hell Lisa after Lewis,I'll wake you up here. Yeah,

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that's always the go to on InsideSports Medicine on an early Saturday morning.
Imagine when we were on at six. Yeah, you play ac DC and
you turn it up as loud asyou possibly can. That'll wake folks up.
I'll get the coffee going. Uh, welcome back Inside Sports Medicine.
T Oh sorry, I'll this segmentbrought to you by Jaguar Land Rover of

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Dallas go by and pay them avisit. So a couple of things that
I want to take care of beforewe go to the phones. The numbers
two one four eight seven, I'msorry seven eight seven nineteen seventy one.
Let me do that again. Twoone four seven eight seven nineteen seventy one.

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That's pretty good. Yeah right,yeah, you're good. Say I
was good. So I saw theeight one seven and I confused myself.
I'm just not even gonna I'm noteven gonna put that on my on my
papers. No disrespective for worth,no disrespective for worth. Yeah, just
call the number. So often someof you listeners are not available to be

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near a radio on a Saturday morning, download the iHeartRadio app and you can
listen to us anywhere you are.And that goes for not just Texas,
but I'm thinking globally, well NorthAmerica. Seriously. Yeah, So if
I was in Belgium, I couldn'tdo this. You''re gonna have to go

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online and you know get it fromyou huh yeah, okay, Well remind
me to tell you the Belgium story. Okay. And if for whatever reason
you missed the live episode but youwant to hear it again and at your
leisure. They have podcasts on theiHeartRadio app. Yes we do, and
our podcasts are going to be upusually within twenty four hours. Well not

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this week. Oh, but youknow, we'll get to it because we
this is week one. We've justwe've finally got the wheels on it for
you, so it'll take probably anotherweek. Well whatever, whatever, if
you want to listen to the pod. By the way, Inside Sportsmedicine dot
Com is still around, and thereare still the eight hundred and well I
don't know if all eight hundred andfifty nine episodes are on there, but

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there's a lot of episodes if youwant to hear some of all our older
stuff. And by the way,an high ankle sprain has not changed since
two thousand and one, so ifyou're curious about something like that, it's
still about the same. H Okay, So it is a call in show
two one, four, seven,eight, seven, nineteen seventy one.

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I'm going to go to Peter rightoff the bat. Peter, good morning.
You're on Inside Sports Medicine. What'sup, Good morning? How are
you? I'm great, I'm great, good good. So I'm sure I
could probably go back in your podcastand find an answer to this. You
probably answered a thousand times, ButI'm getting a little bit older. I'm
fifty two, now and I didsomething to my knee that I don't remember

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doing, but now I've got it. When I'm coming down the stairs,
it clicks, like loudly clicks.My wife told me I'm out of the
house rating business because people hear mecoming. So and I'm debating whether I
need to get it checked or whetherI don't. I was in an ortho
for a different reason and he heardit and he's like, wow, that's

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pretty loud click. And that couldbe a number of things. If it's
not bothering, you just don't worryabout it. But I'm finding now that
if I go for a run,it does bother me, Like I can
feel it pretty good coming. It'suncomfortable enough that I don't really want to
run more than like a mile,which look, I'm not a runner,
But the same time, if Iwant to stay in shape, more than

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a mile is pretty important. SoI don't even know what the question is.
But is that something I need toget checked out or maybe I should
be thinking about doing something else.I don't know, Well that is the
question. So, and I'm reallyglad you called because you know you mentioned
it earlier when you first went onthe air that I've probably talked about this

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twenty thousand times before, and you'reright, because this is really common.
And this is what I like aboutthe phone calls, because for every person
that calls in, there's another tenthousand people who have a very similar question.
So what you're describing is basically wearand tear. It has a name
to it. It's probably it's calledchondum malaysia patella. I'm not going to

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bore you with that, but Ihave a couple of questions for you before
I give you the answer. Right, so, there was no traumatic episode.
You didn't fall down, you didn'tstep in a hole, nobody kicked
you in the knee. That's right, okay. And is it painful or
you just feel it that it's there? I feel like, you know,

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I remember it's been it's been abouta year now, and when it first
happened, I feel like it wasn'tpainful like stopping me from doing things,
but I could feel it right andthen and then that kind of dissipated,
and really I don't feel it ninetyeight percent of the time, but every
now and then, like if Igo for a run or or if I'm
coming down the stairs, maybe itjust cracks differently, but I can feel

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it again. Not debilitating, butyou feel it all right, associated with
anything else. Is it swelling?Does it lock? I mean, I'm
I'm walking down the stairs, myknee locks and I fall. Nope,
it doesn't do any of that,all right. So the reason I ask
all these questions is because that's whenwe know when it needs to be checked
out. For example, if ifit was clicking, if it was painful,

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if it was swelling, if itwas catching, then yeah, the
answer is you got to get itchecked out because one of these times it's
gonna catch, You're gonna fall andyou're gonna break a hip or something.
So what happens is all joints havecartilage. A joint is where two bones
come together, and the end ofthe bones there is a thin layer of

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white, shiny cartilage. I'm sureyou've seen it if you've eaten a chicken
leg or a drumstick or a wing. Humans have that same layer of cartilage,
and that cartilage is smooth and whiteand shiny, and it basically protects
the two bones from rubbing on eachother. But with enough time, when

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you're seventy eighty years old, thatcartilage wears out and the bones rub on
each other, and you often hearold people talk, oh, I'm bone
on bone. Well that's a process. You don't wake up one day and
your bone on bone. That processstarts with guess what clicking. So that
is what you're hearing, is thatthat car religion, instead of being smooth
like an ice rink, is nowkind of crackling and it almost looks like

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a cobblestone streak. So that's whatyou're hearing. You're hearing the very beginning
of wear and tear underneath the kneecap. Now, could it be other things?
Oh sure, yeah, it couldbe scar tissue. But what I
teach the residents and the interns iscommon things occur commonly, and a fifty
two year old that has knee cracklinggoing up and downstairs, most common thing

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is aware of the cartlage underneath thekneecap. So I don't know if I've
answered your question about whether this needsto be checked out or not. You
know, it's a radio show,radio show, or one more wrinkle for
you? If sure, it makessense. So a couple of years ago,
I did I've got a torn meniscusin that knee, and the doctor

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said, look, it's you know, at the time, I was forty
eight or something. He said,if you're if you're still looking to go
pro then yeah, we'll go inthere and fix it up. But if
you're not and it's not bothering you, it's not you know, in a
week, it's not swollen, it'sup bothering, then just you know,
let it ride. I had myleft knee fixed well that I was much
younger, so not my right andand so I was wondering, like,

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does this have anything to do withthat? Like if I go in and
get my meniscus fixed at this point, might that be a benefit. So
you asked two different things. Doesit have anything to do with the meniscus?
Probably not? Probably not question,yeah, but but I will tell
you. And so when I whenI do a scope, when I scope
and the and I go in therefor a meniscus, if there's other damage,

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obviously we'd address it. Now here'sthe thing. You can't put the
cartage back, so the best thingyou can do is smooth it so it
it doesn't catch as loud. Butyeah, look, I'm kind of liking
your orthopedist. I I like hisapproach about the meniscus. There is there
no seriously, there is a there'sa trend where if somebody sees an abnormality,

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if somebody being a doctor, ifa doctor sees an abnormality on an
MRI, I that you know,their first knee jerk reaction. No pun
intended is to is to all,let's go in surgically. Well, I
don't know. There's a lot ofpeople that can live with a torn meniscus
forever and ever and ever. Andyou know his approach, well, you
know, let's just sit on itand see what happens. I like that.

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That's how I do it in mypractice. We did something with the
Mavericks, and I'm not going tokeep you on the phone for this story,
but we did something with the Mavericks. When I first started, we
got Baseline MRIs on the players beforethe season started, just to know what
their knees looked like. And fifteenplayers, two MRIs, thirty MRIs all

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of them had abnormalities. There wasonly one normal knee out of the entire
group, and that was Roddy Boubois, who you probably don't remember him,
but anyway, everybody else had abnormalities. Whether it was the carlage underneath the
kneecapp or it was the meniscus,whatever, everybody had abnormality, and so
they were living with it. Theywere playing at a very high level professional

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NBA basketball. So just because theMRI says you've got a tor aniscus,
unless the symptoms warrant, we probablydon't do anything surgical. But look,
I've said way too much. Idon't know if I've answered your question about
whether it needs to be checked outor not, but my guess is you're
you're better informed to ask what nextquestions. Perfect. That's all I needed,

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and that's exactly what I needed.And it sounds like it's just like
when it starts really bothering me orimpacting me. That's why I need to
get a tech checked out. Ifyou have swelling, if you have mechanical
catching, go get it looked at. Awesome, all right, appreciate the
insight. Tell your friends. Thanks, Peter. You know it's funny.

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I end every episode with thanks forlistening. Tell your friends. And it's
funny because in my practice, whenthe patient's walking out, that's one of
the things that I've always I tellyour friends. This is the kind of
show where it is word of mouth. You know. We if you learn

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something, you're going to tell youryour friends. You're going to tell your
neighbors. You're gonna tell your coaches. You'd be surprised how many coaches listen
to this show. You can learna lot. But yeah, tell your
friends. We're a destination show.Hopefully you'll tell your friends that we were
now on ninety seven one the Freak, and they will keep tuning in.

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All right, So two one,four, seven, eight seven, nineteen
seventy one. I did want tomention we're probably going to go into it
in this next segment. This thisAaron Rodgers thing. I'm so over this.
Yeah, it had even started.You can be over it. It

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had even started. Hey, soGarrett, can you hear me? Yeah?
You want me to take the phoneor do you want me to go
into this Aaron Rodgers thing? No? Man, do you want to take
this phone call? We got anotherknee problem. Let's do it. Let's
go. Let's go to Justin.Let's go to Justin. Are you ready?
Yeah? All right, okay,just make sure your radio's down and

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we're going to get you on thereit is. Yeah, all right,
So the reason the radio's down partis because there's a forty second delay,
I'm told, thank god, itwill confuse people, especially with the downbeat.
Yeah, what's a show on thestation? Okay where they tend to
have some rather call for language justingood morning? How are you? Hey's

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from all your previous stops, saythat one more time. You bleeped out
start over. Oh sorry, Iwas a long time listener from your previous
stop calling. It's a very quickquestion. Sure, it's not completely dissimilar
to the last one. I havea family history of the replacements. I

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was in my well teens. Reallywe kind of knew that that's where I
would be going. I'm in myforties now. Heavy said, uh,
mes sound like a concrete mixer andhave since uh uh forever. Uh they
swell, you know, uh andand uh my job is actually fairly physical.

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Sorry I'm long winded, but mymain question is is there a preventative
maintenance that can be done for youran accelerated wear and tear case or is
uh uh you kind of just waitaround for a knee replacement later on in
life. You know, that's areally good question. I mean, this
is this is a great question.Granted you're only the second one today,

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but you you win the award.Uh, this is a great question.
So I don't want to say thatwhere and tear and near replacements and hip
replacements are inevitable, But there aresome genetic predispositions. I take care of
certain families where the mom and thedad have had new replacements and the So

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there is certainly a genetic component.But then there's also what I call an
environmental component, meaning you have avery physical job, you're an NFL player,
you're a runner, and those environmentalcomponents contribute to the wear and tear

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and the deterioration. Arthritis is typicallya progressive disorder. What you can control
is how fast it progresses. Isthis going to progress in the next two
years or is it going to progressin the next twenty years. Nobody knows.
No one has a crystal ball.But look, there are things you

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can do to help yourself. You'vealready said that you have a physically demanding
job, and I'm not going totell you to change jobs. But you
also said your heavy set. Youalso said that your heavy set, if
you can, if you can trimup a little bit. The physics of
the knee that every extra pound youcarry is equivalent to three pounds on the

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knee. So if you lose tenpounds, your knee is gonna think you
lost thirty. It's not gonna makeyou any less arthritic. It won't,
but it will slow down the progressionnow shifting gears. There are some regenerative
options. In fact, they playedan ad earlier in the last break about

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these regenerative clinics that are opening upeverywhere. We're very judicious at Texas Sports
Medicine with these degenerative options. Butyou know, there's talk about PRP and
GEL and it's called synovial supplementation andstem cells, and there's all kinds of
new technology that is I'm going totell you as of now, it's unproven,

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but it does seem to be slowingdown the progression now. So there
are things that you can do.You know, wear good shoes that have
cushion on them. You know,if if if you're exercise is walking five

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miles with your dog, don't dothat and ride a stationary bike or ride
a bike instead. So impact isbad, you can diminish the impact if
possible better shoes, trim up,lose a couple of pounds. All that
will help slow down the progression.It's not a matter of waiting until it
happens. It's just not makes sense. Excellent, Thank you so much.

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Yeah, it does gives me alittle bit of option things you think about
to do. Hey, listen,how did you find out we were on
ninety seven to one to free.I'm headed to work today and I keep
it on ninety seven to one.It is wow. Thank you all right,
that's great, Thank you very much. Have a great day, Jessen.
Thanks for listening. We appreciate you. Tell your friends all right,

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quick little break goodness. That segmentwent by fast two one, four,
seven, eight seven, nineteen seventyone. When we come back, we're
going to talk about this Aaron RodgersAchilles thing. I'm tired of it myself.

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Who how can you not like this? Oh my goodness, I'm ready
to go. How can you notlike you? Welcome back to Inside Sports
Medicine too, Sorry, I'll don'tforget. You can listen to us live
on the iHeartRadio app even if you'renot next to your radio, or download
the podcast and listen to listening allover the country already. I know.

(33:57):
Well, I have to remind themtwenty two years on the air. If
it's just people are, they're alreadyfinding you. Man. Well, I
couldn't be more flattered. And bythe way, you're a legend. This
is no no, no, no, no, this is this is this
is very humbling. This is veryhumbling that that people actually care what I
have to say. I have alegendary I love this all right. So

(34:20):
I'm trying. I'm trying to getto the Aaron Rodgers story, but the
phones keep ringing. Yeah, andevery time I see a Aaron Rodgers can
wait, yeah he can he can't. Let's go to Philip. Hey,
Philip from Frisco. Good morning,what's up? Hey, good morning man.
Glad to have you on this littlething we called the Freak. Thank

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you. I think this little thing'sa lot bigger than I was expecting.
Well, we'll see about that.Yeah, So what you got So it
is a sports injury. It happenedwhen I was eighteen. Yep. I
took a hard to the knees andI had to get both acls, both
MCLs, and both pcls replaced.Well, are you talking about both knees.

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Yes, correct, Did all thishappened at one time? I mean
one injury and one injury? Yes? What were you doing? I was
actually playing football and got taken outat the knees by two people at the
same time, one on each knee. Dude, you blew out, You
blew up both knees at the sametime, and had surgery on both knees

(35:29):
and broke my left femur. You'rea legend. It was terrible. Fill
up your agend. Oh my goodness, yeah it was. It was not
great at eighteen years old. Ohmy gosh, I'm I'm cringing. So
I tore both my acls, buttotally separate times, like a year later,
a year apart, and I hadsurgery on both knees. I can't

(35:51):
imagine. I can't imagine. Infact now, in my practice at Texas
Sports Medicine, I don't operate onboth knees at the same time. Even
if I have to, I'll stageit. I'll do one and then come
back a few weeks later and dothe other one. Hey, Philip,
where were you playing at the time? Less Trinity? Wow? Wow,
yeah, I take it. Andwhen the when? When the accident occurred.

(36:14):
It was you know, I didhave my left knee operated on first,
and then maybe a week later itwas my right. But yeah,
so they staged it on both legs. Yeah, good, good, good,
because that would have been like tenhours of surgery. So fast forward.
What what what are you like now? So twenty seven? Like it's
like I told Garrett, I've gotthree young children and I just want to

(36:35):
be able to keep up with them. My left knee has no feeling in
the kneecap and and right above it, so the pain's not really there,
but I can feel it in myright. My right knee, it pops
out of place still And like Isaid, I'm twenty seven now, I
just want to be able to keepup with the kids. What is what
is your opinion on moving forward?Like, what do you think would be

(36:58):
the best options? Well, Ithink you need to be checked out,
you know, so, so thisis one of those things where you kind
of need a a spot check ofwhat your knees look like today. I
don't like the I don't like whatyou said about it pops out. That
usually means debris in my world.So if there's debris in there, somebody

(37:21):
may have a discussion about cleaning itout. If if there's rehab to be
done, if you need to strengthen, then then this should happen about now.
And like I told the last caller, if you're carrying a couple of
extra pounds, get rid of them. If your exercise is jogging around the
track, don't do that anymore.So I think what should he do?

(37:42):
Just so for an exercise thing nonimpact, non impact if you're carrying and
this is I'm glad you brought thatup. Yeah, I'm glad you brought
that up. So let's just sayyou're carrying a few extra pounds. Don't
go out and try to run aweight off because that's going to be bad
for your knees and your ankles andyour joints. Lose the weight with non
impact, bike, elliptical, youknow, swim which is really a paint

(38:08):
in a button. But anything nonimpact, with diet and lose the weight
and then maybe you can go backto running with your kids. But if
you're it's like it's like, let'sjust say you're carrying twenty extra pounds.
It's like trying to run on aKatie trail with a backpack full of weights
don't do that, lose the weightfirst and then go back. That was

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actually more directed to Cam. Butbut yeah, so you need a spot
check of where your knees are now, and that way you can kind of
come up with a plan for thenext ten to fifteen twenty years as to
how they're going to be managed.Understood. Yeah, well, I'm glad

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to say this before we lose you, Philip. You know the cool thing
about doctor sorry Yelle, is he'sway into the rehab thing. I think
we had a discussion too, aboutthe fact that you, you know,
eighty five percent of your treatment isnot surgical. It's rehab, right,
it's rehab. And so look,you know, do you have an orthopedis
now, Philip, No, Idon't currently have one. Well do you

(39:15):
remember do you remember who did it? Who did the surgeries? Yeah?
I was doctor Coyner. Is hestill around Yeah, she works out of
Dallas. I'm not sure if she'sstill around. Well, only reason I
say that is I really like tofollow up on my patients. So if
if I was the one that didyour knee surgery, I'd be I'd be

(39:36):
excited to see what it looked likenow. So but anyway. But well,
look, you know it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it got
an orthopedis who's a really good onethat you're talking to right now, you
know, Philip, So it wouldn'tif you know, you can always give
doctor Soriol's office a call. Perfectall right, like you're you're a legend.
I can't believe that you Wow,you went through all this. Did

(39:57):
you ever come back to play orI Is that a crazy question? No?
I never actually had the opportunity tocome back and play. I just
from that point on it was moreof like more or less just quality of
life exactly, yes, function,function, yes, exactly. You know
we talked about the risk reward thing, you know, earlier this morning before

(40:19):
the show too, and you willwe're going to talk about it again.
Yeah, yeah, thanks phelp,hey man, thank you all the best
of you, Philip, Thanks forcalling in, Thanks for listening. Ninety
seven one to free all right,keep listening, tell your friends. All
right, So now we're going totalk about Aaron Rodgers. Do we have
to? Yeah? I think wehave to. That's kind of the meat
of the show. Remember before,I know, I'm just being facetious.
I mean, I want. Iwant the show, especially since we're new

(40:45):
to the Freak. I want.I want the take home lessons. You
can at least learn something new onevery show. I've already done that.
But that's okay, you know.I mean, I'm learning everything just in
real time right now. But we'regood in medicine, all right. Let

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me back up. So for allof you listening, especially in the world
of medicine, wrap your head aroundthe risk reward equation. What is the
risk of taking an aspirin stomach upset, bleeding, whatever, versus the reward
of getting rid of my headache?The risk reward equation plays in every decision,

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and no more is this equation relevantand important than in the world of
sports medicine. What is the riskof putting Dirk Nowitzki back on the court
fresh office sprained ankle versus the rewardof helping win Game six of the NBA

(41:55):
Finals. That risk reward equation canbe complicated. It can be really complicated.
The same injury, the same playerhas a different risk reward equation in
preseason than in the postseason. Youget a bad ankle sprain in preseason,

(42:16):
oh you're gonna sit for a littlebit. We're not taking any risks.
You got the same exact ankle sprainin Game five of the Western Conference Finals.
Yeah, we're gonna take a littlebit of a risk. The reason
I use this risk reward equation analogyis because I don't understand the Aaron Rodgers

(42:39):
risk reward equation. It makes nosense. So if you've if you're a
sports person and you've been under arock, then let me let me catch
you up. Week one, Ithink I might've been the third or fourth
play. Yeah, third play ofthe year for the Jets. A defensive

(43:00):
lineman takes Aaron Rodgers down, hisfoot goes up, which we call it
Dorsey flex, and you could seehis achilles pop. He knew it.
He was on the field, heknew it. You can see the look
on his face. And he endedup having surgery. Because that's what we
do for athletes with achilles ruptures.In fact, that's what we do for

(43:22):
the vast majority of people with Achillesruptures. You know, if you're seventy
years old and you rupture your achilles, I don't know, falling off the
rocking chair, then maybe we'll putyou in a cast. But as a
general rule, it is surgically repaired. This is an injury that has been

(43:42):
around since caveman days. A cavemanruptured their achilles, and it is an
injury that wants to heal. Theachilles wants to heal. The reason we
do surgery on him is to putthe two ends of the tendon together there
so that it heals properly and thatyou can regain your power and your explosiveness.

(44:07):
That's why we do surgery. Heck, if we put it in a
cast, that will heal, butyou don't quite reapproximate the two ends,
and so it's perhaps not as goodfor an athlete. What we've learned over
the centuries is that it takes awhile for that repair to mature. It's

(44:30):
biologic healing. The cells are doingtheir thing. The stitches and I always
tell my patients when I repair anachilles, and I've done a lot a
lot of NBA players that you probablyknow that I've done their achilles. The
stitches that we use are temporary.The stitches are there just to hold the
two ends together until the tendon heelsby itself. And once the tendon heals

(44:55):
by itself, it's not the stitchesthat's holding you together. It's the biologic
healing that is holding you together.And the problem here with this Aaron Rodgers
situation is I don't think they didanything different than anybody else in the country.
They put the two ends together,they use some big stitches, and

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I don't know why they think thatat eleven weeks there is enough biologic healing
that he can come back to playat a high level. I mean he's
practicing right now there. Yeah,I know they open up the practice windows.
So here's the thing. So typically, and I'm just going to use
my patient says examples. Typically,at two months, you're out of the

(45:45):
boot and you're walking relatively normally.At three months you can kind of increase
your pace a little bit and forall the world to see, you look
normal. At four months we startjogging, and I typically will say at
six months you can come back topractice. Now, there's been a lot

(46:07):
of folks with Achilles ruptures and Achillessurgeries that have taken a whole year to
come back, and I think that'sfine. I think that's absolutely fine.
Explosion and speed are the last thingsto come back after an injury like this.
It's not eleven weeks though it's noteleven weeks. And so I go
back to this risk reward equation.Is it possible for Aaron Rodgers to practice

(46:30):
and be back on the field weeksixteen. Yes, yes, it is
possible for four plays. You don'tknow. You don't know. He may
get away with this. He mayget away with this, he may come
back, he may do just fineand get away with it. However,
the risk for injury is great,and that's the problem that people or maybe

(46:52):
he's been warned. I don't know. Remind me to tell you about the
Jerry Rice story. Okay, whatwas it? What else did I ask
you to remind me? Because Ithink I forgot anyway, So I'll come
back to the Jerry rst story.You get you on that. So the
problem is that the risk is great. I'm not walking in his shoes,

(47:14):
so I have no idea what whathis reward is. His reward is this
massive ego being fed. Yeah,man, that's dangerous. That's dangerous.
Well, I don't know. Ihave not heard of anything that is being
done that is different than anyone elsein the country. Well, let's say

(47:37):
this. You know, he isgetting the very best rehab care I mean
he's probably you know, I don'tknow how many hours he would spend and
rehab a day. Doc you couldspeak to that, but you can't speed
up biology. That's the problem Isee. So so here, So one
of the next segment is brought broughtto you by our performance center at Texas

(47:59):
Sports Medicine. Our performance center ishyperbaric oxygen IVS supplements. So we literally
throw the kitchen sink at the patients, and that came from our pro athletes.
We would put everybody in hyperbrek chamberspostop. We have supplements, we
have IVS. We did all ofthis to try to get things to heal
faster. And I guarantee you thathe's doing the same thing. Of course,

(48:22):
I guarantee he's doing the same thing, which is great, but that
does not make the cells reproduce orheal any faster or at least or at
least I'm not willing to roll thedice on that. Yeah, I understand,
you know, granted he may lookgreat, Granted he may be able

(48:43):
to throw passes, but I thinkif another defensive lineman falls on the back
of his leg, there's just notenough strength to hold it. Yeah,
I mean, I'm certain that he'sgoing to be taped up like a cast
right again. I've I don't understandthe reward aspect of the risk reword equation.

(49:05):
I certainly would not want to betaken that risk. Look, we've
we've gone a little longer than ourbreak allows me to. So I'm going
to take a quick little break here, So the next segment's going to be
a little shorter. So Inside SportsMedicine too, Sorry, I'll coming right
back. The phones are lit uptwo one, four, seven, eight
seven, nineteen seventy one, comingright back. Welcome back to Inside Sports

(49:42):
Medicine too Sorry. Black and Whitetoday you get Yeah, I don't know,
man, is that a Notre damehoodie? It is? Oh,
you're going to learn a lot aboutme. So I'm a I'm a Notre
dame homer. I know you are. My My kids went there and yeah,
no, by the way, nobody'sperfect. Yeah, I know.

(50:06):
I love this time here. Ilove college football more than I do the
NFL or even though I've spent threedecades in the NBA. I love college
football, and college football is changingall this nil stuff and people going through
the portal, I heard yesterday thatI don't know, two thirds or three
quarters of the Notre Dame wide receivercorps are in a portal. They're not

(50:28):
going to be back next year.And man, those players can cost one
to two million dollars in the portal. This is mind boggling crazy. It's
you know, So today's championship Saturday, and welcome to all of you guys
up from Austin and down from stillWater for the UT Oklahoma state game.
You could not have picked a betterweather weekend. It should be OEU in

(50:50):
that game. Just oh fired uhoh. But yeah, welcome to the
Dallasport Worth area. I hope youhave a very pleasant stay and I hope
your team wins. I did goto UT medical school, so I have
a little orange in me. Idon't know where I was going with that.

(51:12):
I really don't know where I wasgoing with that. But it's going
to be a great day of collegefootball. I yeah to tell you that
it's gonna be amazing anyway. Yeah, so I do want to go to
the phones. I want to finishthis one up, and then we're going
to wrap up this first episode,your inaugural voyage. I can't believe how
fast. It is smooth. Ican't believe. Man. Hey Mike from

(51:34):
Aubrey, good morning, you're onInside Sports Medicine. What you got.
Thanks for hanging Mike. It's niceto hear you back. You've heard me
before, there it is. Yeah, you did my acos, you do.
I'm the one that got ship ohfrom the CPM machine. I was
telling somebody about you just the otherday. Really, yes, I just
use that example the other day.So after we do acl surgery, in

(51:59):
order to have avoid post operative stiffness, uh, the patients wake up in
a machine that moves their knees.It's called continuous passive motion CPM, and
it moves twenty four to seven.So your knees moving twenty four to seven
and Mike got seasick from it.Wow, yeah, you're you're the only
one, by the way. Wellhey, there's always the first time,

(52:20):
you know. Yeah, So what'suh? What? So what's your question?
So I keep getting all this information, everybody it's trying to push me
into getting these there's still in betweenmy knees, you know, because I'm
I'm bone and everything else. Thewhat between your knees? Well? Well,

(52:42):
back up, back up, backup, are they're trying this gel
oh gel jell yeah yeah yeah,yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. It's
called Snoville supplementation. Yeah yeah.And so you know, I'm always like,
you know, I'm sixty six nowand I got a picture old still
so yeah yeah wait wait could yousee me? Could you see my face?

(53:04):
I don't understand what just happened here? Good for you, man,
Yeah, sixty six or a sixyear old, you still got it?
Wait, gott your birth. So, I mean that's great, that's beautiful,
that's great. Anyway, it's soyou got to run around and you're
sixty six and you can bone onbone from bone on bone. You know,
I've torn that hl it's you know, he's kind of jerky, jerky.

(53:30):
Yeah, so yeah, I'm sohere's the short answer. Here's the
short answer. And I alluded tothis earlier bone on bone and arthritis and
wear and tear. That's a progressivedisorder. I'm going to tell you right
now, your kne's going to beworse when you're seventy six than it is
right now. And anything you cando to slow down the deterioration the better.

(53:54):
Now people have used the GEL forabout twenty years it came to us
from Europe. It is not meantto grow cartilage. It is meant to
keep whatever cartilage you have left healthierlonger. So I am not opposed to
using gel at your age and yourstage at all. Now it may work,

(54:16):
it may not work, but itis certainly worth an attempt to try
to slow down the deterioration now asoh yeah, yeah, I do it.
Yeah. So normally what we dois we're actually a script. We
get it from your pharmacy and thenwhen you come in, I'll just inject
it. But yeah, so itused to be roostercomb cartilage. That's where

(54:37):
the gail used to come from.I think now it's grown in the lab.
So they got it from roosters combs. Yeah, roostercomb cartlage. Yeah
yeah, yeah, really, yeah, that's how they've found it. It's
made of cartilage and so okay,all right, And aspirn came from the
bark of a tree in Germany,So that's okay, that's how medicine is.

(55:00):
Hey, look, Mike, I'mreally glad you called in. Thank
you tell your friends and make sureeverybody knows that we're back on the air.
Good luck with it. Mike,so listening to you off though,
and you know, she's a bigthing. So we appreciate you being back.
I hope you enjoyed your uh youryour nights out with your wife on
Friday nights. But I'm glad tosee you hear you back. Thanks Mike,

(55:22):
keep listening. Tell your friends.I will that's great. Yeah,
I remember him. I mean itwas this was this the CPM machine,
It just it just it squeaks andit makes are you you take it home?
Yeah? Take it. You're layingin bed, is massaging your knee
kind of making it bend. Andit's not so much massaging, it's moving
it. And and patients like themovement because if if, how the hell

(55:45):
do you get to sleep? It'shard, it's hard get you got to
sleep on your back. And there'ssome rectless leg syndrome that's synthetically but it
it minimizes the post operative stiffness thatyou can get for a big operation.
Right, and if you have anew replacement, you get the same CPM
machine. Okay, but I thinkthe motion this was this was odd because

(56:07):
Mike's the only one that ever hadthis. He literally was seasick from it
and I said, just turn thedamn thing off. Wow. Anyway,
people have motion sickness. It's athing. Yeah. Always. You know,
she's got a ride in the passengerseat. She's not driving because she
sits in the back. She getsmotions. My wife the same thing.
Yeah, my wife's exactly. Soyou know. This segment of Inside Sports

(56:30):
Medicine is brought to you by BackenBackendorf Jewelers, been family owned and operated
since nineteen forty eight. Christmas isaround the corner, guys. Ah,
So we've talked a lot today aboutacls. Yeah, I knew you were
going to go there. We have. We've talked a lot about about acls,

(56:52):
and it's probably the most frequent surgerythat I do. And I told
you earlier I've torn both my acls, not at the same time, of
course, but really close to eachother about a year apart. Did you
do your own ACL? I didnot, but I went I went to
the surgeon who taught me. SoI did my fellowship in Columbus, Georgia,

(57:14):
and I tore my ACL and that'swho fixed it. As my mentor
from Columbus Georgia, What did Itell you to remind me to say to
you, Oh, we were talkingabout Jerry Rice just for a second.
Oh, we had the Jerry Ricething. That's the Jerry Rice story.
I think we had to finish upthe ACL and save Jerry Rice for it
later. All right, we'll doit next next week, whatever. Yeah,

(57:37):
you know, so I digress.Okay, So the reason I brought
up Jerry Rice is because he hadACL surgery when he was with the forty
nine ers, and he was doingwell, he was recovering well, and
he came back at three months.And by the way, typical recovery for

(57:59):
ACL, I had like twelve weeks. Thirteen weeks. Yeah, okay,
typical recovery for an ACL. Ialways tell my patients hang your hat on
eight months. If it's eight,nine or ten months, so be it.
Because there's also biologic healing with ACLsurgery. So when you tear your
ACL, it's not repairable. Sowe take the remainder of it out and

(58:19):
we put in a new ACL.The new ACL we get from your kneecap.
Typically some doctors prefer the hamstring.I don't. I do the Pateeller
tendon, and once we put itin the knee where the old ACL used
to live. It takes a goodsix, eight, ten, twelve months
for that to become incorporated into yourknee. Well, Jerry Rice had the

(58:46):
audacity to think that he was fasterthan anybody else in terms of healing.
And he came back and he suitedit up at three months. He came
back and suited up at three months. All of us in the sports medicine
world were freaked out. They werefreaked out about it, said, oh
my gosh. Whatever. Well,first game back, he caught a pass

(59:10):
in the end zone. He landedon his knee and he broke his kneecap.
And the kneecap is where we takethe ACL from the new ACL front.
There's your risk reward, there's therisk reward. And so this the
reason I brought up that the JerryRice story, which might have been twenty
twenty five years ago, is thatthis Aaron Rodgers thing is reminding me a

(59:31):
lot of that. You know,perhaps they both have similar egos or whatever.
Well, they all have egos,like I have a big ego.
Yeah, well don't we all,but Aaron Rodgers' ego, you know,
it's just such a similar story.So, right, I was at an
event and I happened to be seatednext to Jerry Rice. And this was

(59:52):
like ten years later he was retiredand whatever, and I was sitting next
to him, and I said,Jerry, I'm doctor. Sorry, alam
an orthopedics not take care of theMavericks. I do a lot of ACL
surgeries. Hey, do you mindif I ask you about, you know,
your thought process as you were comingback? And he said, oh
sure. It started off very pleasant. It ended up in a heated exchange.

(01:00:14):
Really, we were at a birthdayparty. It ended up in a
heated exchange. I said, Jerry, did they did they warn you that
that you're coming back too early?That there are things that might happen?
And he said, yeah, butit's my body, it's my knee.
It was my decision. And Isaid, but Jerry, did they tell
you? Did somebody tell you thatthat this might happen? And and and

(01:00:40):
well you don't get the right answer. Reposed the question, yeah, and
and and and he said yes,but it was my decision. It was
no one else's decision but me.And I like, was he pissed at
you? Maybe because I represented whatthe other doctors were telling him, and
the voice of reason yeah. Butso look, I I wish Aaron Rodgers
well, I really do. Well, So we also have that's one of

(01:01:04):
us in the room. Wait,I have to digress some more. So
for you guys listening, I'm goingto try to summarize twenty two years of
being on the air. We alsohave a segment that's called likable or not
likable, And it's just an instantaneousif I mentioned the name, do you
say likable or not likable? Notlikable? Aaron Rogers, No, not
likable. He's not likable to me. Yeah, no, And so it's
just it's and I respect his ohI do. But man, do I

(01:01:29):
like him? Probably? No?Probably one of the greatest quarterbacks, you
know. I mean he's up onthe Mount Rushmore made nineteen years. He's
going to be in the Hall ofFame. Yeah, oh, clearly,
clearly. But not likable anyway,So I wish him well. I don't
know why he's doing this. Ijust don't know why he's Look, there
is a spin that comes out ofthe you know, NFL Communications office and

(01:01:52):
the New York Jets office, rightthey talk about what they're going to publish,
you know, because they got togive the fans hope, right,
the Jets Are you kidding me again? Risk rewards? So the Jets are
they even going to make the playoffs? Well, I don't think so.
Don't you adly have to ask BenRodgers. I don't think so, or
you already took off one second.Yeah, I mean it's just like they

(01:02:16):
already said Zach Wilson, their backupqbs aren't doing anything for them. No,
they're cooked. The offensive line justcannot stop any other defense. They
can't. They're not going to makethe playoff again. So they're not going
to make the playoffs. What's thepoint, right? I think it's just
Aaron just wanting to bloviate about youknow, how incredibly What did you just

(01:02:37):
say bloviate? What exactly does thatmean? Well? That means, you
know, these braggadocious statements that arejust based on his ego. Wow,
right, and he just you know, you know, he's Superman and no
one else could do this but AaronRodgers. That's the vibe I get.
Give me a second, I'm writingdown bloviate. I also think he wants
to prove like, hey, Icame to the Jets to play and yeah,

(01:03:00):
because we're not going to get inNew York City. He's like to
Kate Crusader, you know, he'scoming to Gotham. Just save the world,
give me a break. We're notgoing to get in his head.
But anyway, but that but that, the Jerry Rice story kind of reminded
me of Yeah, this was somethingsimilar. Cool Now, Jerry Rice.

(01:03:21):
I like Jerry Rice. He's likable. Yeah, that extent was so likable.
I mean that's because you're asking themher questions. But he's you know,
well obviously he was sensitive about it. Well, yeah, because you
know, he made a call andyou know, he rolled the dice and
he lost. And this is thisis again, this is a thing.
I don't like to roll the dicewith my patience. And I warned them

(01:03:44):
and I tell him, what areyou pointing out? I'm hearing some fabulous
music in the background. Yeah,that's that's that's that's the mess to go.
It is time to go. Andso we usually have sixty seconds.
We will take starts, we'll goahead and too. I'm thrilled to have
you here in the tradition of reallycool guys that come to settle here at

(01:04:09):
the place where we say what wewant ninety seven one to Freak. Welcome,
I'll be at all of us.You've made me feel very, very
welcome. I'm happy to be here. I am hoping that those of you
who have listened to this episode oneon ninety seven to one to Freak,
episode eight fifty nine in the historyof Inside Sports Medicine, I hope you've

(01:04:30):
learned something, and I hope alongthe way we entertained you just a little
bit. Just a little bit,I think you've learned something. Just don't
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