Dr. TO 862

Shin Splits Discussion in the NBA.

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It's tip off time for Doctor tO. Sorrel and Inside Sports Medicine on
ninety seven to one The Freak.Doctor Sorriel, one of the nation's leading
orthopedic exertions and former head team physicianfor the Dallas Mavericks, bringing his unique
sports insights and stories from inside thegame. With special guests from the world
of professional, college and high schoolsports and sports medicine, The Doctor breaks

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with Doctor t O. Sorrial onninety seven to one The Freak. Just

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consider that to be your alarm clock. Hell's bells? Do? Is that
Hilldos? That is Hell's bells.Good Saturday morning, everyone, and welcome
to Inside Sports Medicine. I'm yourhost, Doctor t O. Sorry,
all live in the studio, Episodeeight hundred and sixty two for Inside Sports

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Medicine. We've been on the air. This is our twenty third season,
our first month here on ninety sevento one The Freak, where we say
what we want. This is yoursports medicine Current events show where the topics
are ripped right off for the sportsdesk. Over the next ninety minutes,
you will be informed, entertained,and hopefully learn something new. You will

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have an opportunity to call in ortext in your questions. We have a
lot to get to. Joining methis morning, as almost always doctor Brad
Billard. Good morning, Brad.How are you. I'm doing well.
On the other side of the glass, Garrett, our producer, our board
op, our phone answering person,our fact checker, our everything, good

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morning. They are everything other thanus. Yeah, morning, Gret,
Garrett, good morning, how areyou. I'm tired, But it's another
day in Paradise. What's raining?Yeah, it's foggy. Yeah, yeah,
it's I thought it wasn't supposed tohappen until tonight. But that's all
right. We have a bunch toget to today, and so if you're

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new to the show, allow usto deviate from medicine from time to time.
We are going to talk about sportsmedicals, things like, for example,
on our segment that we call sportsMedicine one oh one, which is

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a little bit later in the show, we're going to talk about shin splints.
It's kind of dry and boring fora Saturday morning, but nonetheless that's
the meat of the show. Whatwas it? What was it? We
sports medicine one on one Sports,Yes, megment one, that's the segment.
Yeah. And I was gonna doa business of medicine segment today because

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I was livid yesterday. But Icalmed down and I decided maybe not.
You can't tease people like that ifwe run out of things to talk about,
me run out of things to talkabout. But you know that that's
what the people want, the businessof medicine, all right, So I'll
just say it. I'll just sayit. So, as part of a

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good surgical procedures, often you arerequired to look in the joint. So
you stick your camera into the jointand you look, and from time to
time you'll see things that you don'tsee on the MRI, and and you've
got to do it otherwise you didan incomplete surgical procedure with me. So
I had a youngster that dislocated hiskneecap. MRI was maybe there's something going

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on inside the joint. Maybe therewas nothing going on in the joint,
but it was inconclusive, and Ithought, you know what, he's going
to be asleep, it's probably worthan arthroscopic. Look. So I did
that, and he did have aloose piece of cartilage floating around and I
took it out. And anyway,he's two three months into it, and

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I thought, you know what,And I never look at the EOB.
EOB is the explanation of benefits thatthe doctor's office gets and the patient gets
to. And I never looked lookat that because nine times out of ten
it makes me mad. And soI decided I'm going to look at it.
By the way, it was UnitedHealthcare, so I'm livid. I

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looked at how much they reimbursed forthe arthroscopic portion of the procedure. Yeah,
you want to take it, justjust take a guess. Oh god,
I'm so eighty five dollars. Getout of here. Three pizzas.
I got paid three pizzas. Okay, to go in somebody's need you,

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okay. But here's why people needto understand. Oh no, no,
no, no, no, no, no no no no, Because here's
the deal. There's risk involved withwhat you're doing. Absolutely, there's liability.
What if I do it? There'sliability, what if I didn't do
it? If I didn't take thatpiece out, right, So if if
the piece doesn't come out, whatwe're talking about is future issues with the

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patient. They now have instability inthe need a bad result. You get
a bad result. Now you knowyou may have to go in later like
all this stuff. Right, Butthen there's just inherent risks of the procedure
three pizzas that they're basically saying,and it's worth three pieces for you to
do that. Yeah, I was, uh yeah, so you pulled it
out of me. I wasn't planningto do it because it just makes me

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mad. I'm going to be madfor the next ninety minutes, speaking of
And I promise I promised this thelast time I mentioned Aaron Rodgers this year.
No, okay, well this year. Did you hear this year?
Did you hear? Oh? Hehe's not coming back you. So there's

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this is not an I told youso thing because all of us knew it.
All of us knew it that thiswas not a good idea. But
here's my spin on it. Iam a little concerned, not that I
really care, but I'm a littleconcerned that he may have harmed his result

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by trying to push and then changinghis mind. I'm a little concerned that
maybe weeks seven than eight when hewas taking snaps, that the result was
compromised. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. So first of all, it is

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I told you so, and wehad there was no question on our end,
the medical end, whether he wasgonna be able to come back this
year. I mean that was therewas. There's literally been no question in
my mind where people have been like, you know, Dot, what do
you think you've torn your achilles andyou've seen athletes. I said, oh,
he's just not gonna come back.And I think it was unanimous across
the country, I mean everyone inthe medical field, athletic trainers, when

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everybody was on the same page onthis right. But I would not be
surprised if over the last week anda half two weeks something happened where he
was like uh oh uh oh,I think erectly. I think you're right.
I think he may have had sometendonight as he may have had you
know, you're absolutely Look, Idon't really trust information coming out of Aaron

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Rodgers' corner. Yeah, maybe heheard it again, and I don't mean
like tendonitis. I mean they heardit go back in yeah, kind of
heard it. Yeah, don't besurprised. Look look again, it's just
so, why why have we beenon the air for twenty three years?
Because moms and dads rupture their achilles. Little Tommy ruptures his achilles. We

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talk about this stuff because it isrelevant for everyone listening to us. Doctor
Ballard tore his achilles, so andthat's why I'm like, listen, I
know what the rehab process is likewhen you're trying to come back. Like
it's this general trend forward, butat any given time you could be having
Hey man, I feel like I'mmaking progress, and then you have a

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bad day. It's a three stepforward, one step back kind of thing.
And I think he may have hada one step back, and it's
like, ooh, why am Idoing it? Am I doing this?
Listen? Because I'm gonna be realwith you. I tore mine back at
the end of January, had surgeryat the beginning of February. I was
like, you know what, Ithink, I'm gonna try to make it
back for December. You know whatI'm saying, try to shoot some jump

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shots and try to be back.Man. Listen. You know I was
telling somebody the other day like,yeah, I just can't. I can't
accelerate. I'm not ready, youknow. So I was having this conversation
with one of my patients the otherday. Speed and explosion is the last
thing to come back. Oh yes, speed and explosion last thing to come
back after. Whether it's acl orshoulder or achilles or whatever, it's the

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last thing to come back. Andso if you are an athlete in the
speed and explosion world, you're gonnabe awfully disappointed five months into it because
it's not there. I can't runas fast, Doc, That's okay,
it'll And you can walk, yeah, you can walk fine, you can
take snaps, three step drop,you can do a three step drop.

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But if alignment's chasing you, it'sdone. You ain't getting away. No,
not at all. All right,that was the last time I was
gonna bring up Aaron Rodgers in twentytwenty three. Now. I don't want
anything negative to happen to him.I really hope he does well and comes
back and all that stuff. Butthis is this was not a good example.

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He was setting for moms and dadsand little Tommy's and whatever. Hey,
I'm gonna do something that no oneelse has ever done. Yeah,
I get it. So ninety sevenwon a freak. We're new to the
Freak, and one of the thingsthat I found very attractive is that they

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allow us to talk about whatever wewant. What's the tagline, Garrett ninety
seven won the Freak, say whatwe want? There, you go,
say what we want, even ifit's not anything to do with this particular
show. Are we college football experts? No, am I the biggest college

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football fan on the planet. Probablyprobably I may very well be the biggest
college football fan on the I enjoyedcollege football more than pros, more than
basketball. I took care of theMavericks for darn near three decades, but
I would prefer to watch a goodcollege football game. That said, I

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have concerns. I have concerns thebowl games nowadays, unless you're one of
the four teams in the championship,a lot of guys are opting out.
A lot of guys who are goingto the NFL are not going to play.
There's all this talk that we hadin our pre production meeting about the

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USC quarterback. You can fill everybodyin on that, because I was not
up to speed on that. There'sjust so much change in the world of
college football that where's it going togo from here? Well, you were
telling us a story about a bowlgame last night just to kind of give
perspective. So here's perspective. SoI think you have to win six games

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to be bowl, to be Bowleligible, correct, And so last night
there were two six and six teamsplaying, Georgia Tech and UF. It
was a great game. It wasa very competitive game. Why nobody opted
out, nobody's going to the portal, nobody's going to the NFL. These
are two mediocre teams, and ifyou're from either one of those schools that

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I'm just being descriptive. But theyplayed, they played, and that was
very entertaining. However, let's justsay you're looking at a ten and two
team that did not make the playoffs, and you're a ten and two team
that you're not in the playoffs.Florida State. I mean, let's just
be real. That Florida State Georgiagame is going to be just Florida State.

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Most of them are not playing NotreDame, our wide receiver corps as
all entered the portal, our quarterbacksin the NFL. He's not playing our
offensive line not playing who's gonna beplaying against Oregon State? So you take
those games where the teams are good, right, and the programs exactly,

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they've got ten win seasons or ninewin seasons, and you put them up
against another team who's got a tenwin season or nine. Who's gonna play
nobody? Yeah, and who's gonnawatch and and the the the TV money
that went into that. I don'tknow if that's gonna be a very good
Bowl game to watch. This hasgot to be the one of the main

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reasons why they're expanding the playoffs.I mean it has to be right,
because they're seeing that the quality ofthe bowl games beyond the top four well,
and that they messed up the playoffsthis year. They left out of
Florida State, who is unbeaten.I understand that that Jordan Taylor is a
Jordan Taylor, Jordan Travis, Jordant Well, I don't know, Yeah,

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Jordan traps, Yes, I understandquarterback he Tours is ankle broke,
angle broke. Basically in the nonimportant game. It was how the sec
ACC schedule their games. They alwayshave a couple of games in there where
it's an easy team to get justan easy win and get onto the next
one. He heard it broken deeringthere. They had the second string for

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the Florida game, you got aconcussion, and then the AAC the ACC
Conference championship game, you're on yourthird string. It looked ugly, but
you get to win. Right.I understand that they didn't want to put
him in there because their main JordanTravis was not in there. But you
can't just leave an undefeated team outof the playoffs. We all saw this

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back whenever the playoffs first began,with Baylor and TCU both having to share
the Big Troll title game, andyou leave both of them out at the
five and six seed. I agreewith you one, which brings us back
to inside sports Medicine. The sportsmedicine injury played a in this year's final,
which is why we've been on theair for twenty three years seasons.

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All Right, So I'm not aI'm not a Florida State fan, but
I feel they deserve to be inthere. Yeah, because historically, if
you're an undefeated team, I don'tcare how ugly you are, you deserve
to be in there. Well,it's a perfect storm this year, right,
that was the problem. It wasjust an absolutely I'm sure the committee
was having, you know, aheart attack, is they were watching things

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unfold. But yeah, so youhave to expand it. And is it
expanding the twelve twelve? Yeah,it's just from four to twelve. Whenever
they should have went to six priorto twelve, at least tried six or
eight. Yes, they should havetried more going out to twelve. But
they're jumping straight from four teams inthe playoffs to twelve. So now if

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you're a two lost team in yourconference, you have a chance still to
go to the playoffs. Yeah,I particularly if you're on a roll at
the end of the year, dependingon what conference you're in. If you're
that, the SEC and Big tenare probably going to have the most players
in there. Now the Big twelveis going to be more competitive because you
have packed twelve schools coming in.You have Utah, Colorado, Arizona to

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Arizona State, four extra teams whileyou're only losing two teams out of there.
And this brings us back to thecondition of college football as we see
it today with people opting out.If you're one of those twelve teams,
I don't think very many people,many student athletes are going to opt out.
I think if if you're going tothe NFL, you're still going to

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play in that Bowl championship game,if you're thinking about entering the portal,
you're still so going to twelve isgoing to force some young athletes to stay
in and finish out the season,which will make the sponsors happy, which
will make ESPN happy, because rightnow, I just don't know what games

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I'm going to. I don't knowif I'm going to watch the Georgia Florida
State game because I'm suspect. Isuspect Georgia is gonna lose a lot of
players too. Yeah, yeah,no teams have Yeah. I saw Georgie
is losing a lot of key defensiveplayers who were four stars, highly recruited,
five stars. You know a lotof people flipping their commitment. This

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year's transfer portal and how the playoffrankings went I think really affected. There
are m football you know, elevenhundred football athletes that entered the portal.
Wow, all right, quick littlebreak. It is inside sports medicine and
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you up. Also on the nextsegment, which is at eight point fifteen
ish, is Inside Sports Medicine oneoh one. We're going to talk about
some things that was vague. Talkabout something, okay, Yeah, one
of the things that I want totalk about that is sports medicine related and

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very relevant. The longevity of Lebronand the fact that he still looks fantastic
twenty years into it. Yeah.Man Dirk played for twenty years. Kobe
played for twenty years. Look,this is unheard of stuff. Yeah yeah,

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since we are supposedly the experts onthis subject, why do you think
the guys are playing twenty years?Okay, so you mentioned you mentioned who,
Dirk, Kobe, Lebron. There'sa bunch of guys that are playing
what Vince Carter my goodness, Yeah, yeah, And I'm a huge Vince
Carter fan, big Vince Carter fan. We've got you know, we've got

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story, just locker room stories.The guy just quality. Again. But
when you look at Lebron, thereason why Lebron is so impressive in terms
of how long he's been around,you look at the way he plays versus
Dirk. You know, like Dirkwas a It's hard to even call his
yeah post up. Guy's even hardto call his shot a jump shot.

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I mean, Dirk barely gets anylyft. You know what I'm saying.
He doesn't drive to the basket.It's not this, I mean, dude
possibility. Yeah, yeah, I'mnot. That's just Dirk's game, you
know what I'm saying. Dirk knewhow to get in position, get to
his spots, hit jump shots.He wasn't really trying to beat you off
the dribble. Lebron is still likewindmill first step, very physical, very

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physical, explosive. And so towatch Lebron at this level, at what
almost forty he's thirty eight, thirtynine, yeah, you know, and
still playing like this, some ofit's got to be genetic. Some of
us just got to be genetic.The other part is I really think he's
extremely intentional about taking care of hisbody. I think he understands that that,

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you know, I have to investin the nutrition, I have to
invest in the recovery, I haveto invest in every aspect that goes into
my body being at its best,you know. And but that along with
the genetics, I think is whatyou see. Hey, Garrett, do
we have a drop? Where's bellsringing? Like like he got the answer,

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right, I think we should soyes, no, no, that's
a fighter entering the ring. Meansecond, I will find one for you.
Okay, So you nailed it.That That's that's exactly what's happening the
the Lebron's, the Kobe's, thedirk Ate clean from the week before the

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season started to the day that theseason ended. I love that he ate,
he had a very regimented diet whathe put in his body, and
Kobe did the same thing and Lebronand we're seeing more and more of that.
So this little historical perspective. Iwas in the MAVs locker room back

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in nineteen eighty eight. I knowwhere you're going with this. It's fried
chicken at halftime. Let's go,dude, I'm not kidding you. I
Am not kidding you. We hadguys eating hot dogs and fried chicken at
halftime, fried chicken going back toplay the second half. They're literally sweating
grease going back to play the secondhalf. Yeah kind of, yeah,

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kind of. And and look,and I've seen some NFL film stuff where
guys were smoking in the blocker room, all kind of crazy stuff. So
the reason that they had training camp, whether it was training camp for football,
whether it was training camp for basketball, the reason they had training camp

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is to get back into playing shapebecause often the athletes had second jobs.
They'd had construction jobs, they hadwhatever, and so there was not enough
money in playing pro football in thevery very beginning so that you can make
a living there. So they allhad other jobs. So training camp was
basically to get in shape. Fastforward forty years. They are now in

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shape year round, play all thetime. And it's not necessarily they play
all the time. Is they takecare of their bodies all the time.
Ye. There are exceptions, andwe all see the guys that come into
training camp that are carrying twenty extrapounds. I mean there are exceptions.
But as a general rule, itis now the money is so big it

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is now a full time job.They have nutritionists, they have their personal
trainers. Dirk had his own physicalphysical so they they their body is how
they make the money. We tookcare of the Mavericks, Brad and I

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and doctor Manning and doctor Leevy,we took care of the Mavericks for a
long long time. And way backin the early two thousands, we were
doing things to help them on themedical side of things. You know,
we we were among the first touse hyperbaric oxygen. In fact, we
use hyperbaric oxygen chambers gosh. Intwo thousand and five, two thousand and

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six, we used cryo. Wewe did a lot of those things that
will help you recover faster and andit worked. Jake Kidd and Dirk and
Jet Terry. They were in thecry on hyperbaric chambers all the time after

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during that playoff run in two thousandand six and then twenty eleven. Yeah,
they lived in there. Yeah,and Jay Kidd was no spring Chicken
a day. He was not,And I really feel that that helped them
recover. Those are the types ofthings that we're seeing now in the sports
medicine world that allows the players toplay for twenty years. Football is a

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tad different, Yeah, because youhave the injuries. Yeah, yeah,
you know it's such a violent sportthat you're dealing with trauma almost, Yeah,
it is, it is, Butnonetheless it is year round. They
are getting in the chambers, theyare using the supplements, they are you
know, doing IV therapy. Thisis going to sound like a shameless plug,

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but during COVID at Texas Sports Medicine, which is our home practice,
we opened a performance center and theperformance center was basically to introduce little Johnny
and the recreational weekend athlete to allof these things that we've been doing for

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the pros for a decade. That'sright. So at the performance center now
we're we're doing all those things forsomeone who wants to run a marathon and
wants to recover the next weekend,and someone who wants to do this,
it's a really it's a really coolthing. But we're seeing our regular patients

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running until they're seventy Yeah. Yeah, Well, so I've had two Achilles
ruptures you personally, personally yep,And I remember the side that's right.
So my right I ruptured about tenyears ago. The left was this year.
And the difference, uh, interms of recovery was I did hyperbaric

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and I did some IV treatments yep, early on in the in the recovery
phase. And I was telling someonelike, my first three months was actually
different than my first three months onthis second go round with the recovery protocol
was way different than the first threemonths. I kind of I really kind
of limped by the first few months. I was kind of having some issues.

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And I'm older, yeah now,and so you know, those recovery
quote unquote modalities that we talked about, I really believe is what helped me
get better fast. And I agreewith you one hundred percent. You and
I've never really talked about this,but but for my postops or for my
postop ACL for my post stop kneeknee reconstructions, those sort of things.

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Uh, if they have the time, and it's not really in the big
scheme of things, it's not reallyvery expensive. It's just time consuming,
yeah, because you got to getinto the chamber for an hour and you
got to do red light and yougot to do all that stuff. But
what I tell my postops unproven,you know, But if you can get
the bruising to resolve faster, ifyou can get the incision to heal faster,

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if you can get your nutrition backon track faster, then all of
a sudden, rehab is a lotsimpler than it would have been otherwise.
Little sidebar story when we were inthe twenty eleven we being the Mavericks,
when we were in the twenty elevenplayoffs, Brandon Heywood, oh yeah,

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pulled his hip flexer and of course, you know MRI's is the standard,
so we popped him an MRI scannerand there was bruising and bleeding everywhere everywhere,
and we were in the playoffs.We were in a I think this
happened during the finals. It mighthave been Game one and if the finals
against Miami, and I practically madehim live in the hyperbard chamber, and

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he was starting to feel good.So game four, five and six,
he was feeling really antsy to tryto play again. So I said,
look, we've got the option.We've got an MRI scanner. Once you
hop back in the scanner and let'ssee what it looks like. After five
days, he gets back in thescanner, the radiologists who read the first

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one calls me. Claimer called me, said is this the same guy?
I said, yeah, it's thesame guy. He said, all the
bruising and all all the bleeding isgone, which just so you understand that
that doesn't happen for something that doesnot happen, that does not happen,
doesn't happen. And that was backin the day when this was twenty eleven,

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this was twelve years ago, thirteenyears ago. And it cemented in
my mind that there's a value toall this stuff, I believe. So
it's funny because when when we wereplaying Miami, some of our guys were
talking with the Miami guys about,you know, they're getting hyperbatt because recovery
jet Terry in particular. Yeah,yeah, I go to the hyper bad

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chamber. Blah blah, blah blahblah, and and don't hold me to
this, but I think Lebron wassaying, well, our hyperbat chamber is
an hour and a half from here, so we don't use it. What
in a huge advantage we had,right right? But yeah, so,
so how much longer you think Lebron'sgonna play? He looks good, I

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mean, he looks really good.And I keep hearing and I don't know
how true this is, and Idon't know if he's actually said this,
but you know, the the abilityto play with his son, you know,
I think he wants to play withhis son. I don't know,
but I keep hearing that in theone and done year. Yeah, he
may be won and done and maybeplayed next year. Right, so I'm

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guessing that would be the first timethat's ever happened, at least in basketball.
I don't know if it happened inany sport that I don't think.
So father's played with their son atthe pro level. Well, here's what's
crazy. Lebron is now playing withthe sons of the people that he's played
with before in the past. Yeah, but he's playing like all these guys
and like it almost seems like everyother game he's like, you know,

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he's like dapping up the player andhe's like, dude, you play with
my old man. He's like,oh, okay, all right, you
know that's crazy, Like, Ithink, I think all of these Look,
there's there's some modalities that I reallydon't know how they work. I
mean, both you and I dop RP and stem celves and that sort
of thing, and and I'm I'mfrank. I I know that they work

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because I've seen it. Yeah,but I'm not sure exactly what the mechanism
is. Yeah, there's a lotof theory, I mean, and there's
some bench work that goes behind itthat that we believe, you know,
how it works. But you know, this also became you know, pretty
popular this year because Travis Hunter rightin the player for Colorado, the freak

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athlete. Yeah, he plays onboth sides of the ball. I think
you play one hundred snaps or somethingin one game, right, And they
were like, well what do youdo? He's like, well, I
do red light. I do this. He's like he's like, I treat
I treat college right now like Ido like a professional. And then it
became like, oh, what's redlight, What's what's some of these things
that he's doing, And so Ido believe there's value. I do believe
there's studies. Can we do more, you know, randomized control trials?

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I'm sure that stuff's coming, butwe also know there's something to it from
what we're seeing just in terms ofresults right now. One of the first
rules of medicine is do no harm, right, and and we're very we're
very picky about that. I'm verypicky about that. I know you are
too, and everybody else that techsupports medicine. I don't think that.
In fact, I know red lightdoes no harm, hyperbaric does no harm,

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cryo does no harm. It isI and and when when you can
apply some of those do no harmmodalities and get some benefit out of it,
why not A quick little break comingup on the text machine two one
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taking some calls on the next segment. Uh two one four seven eight seven
nineteen seventy one. Call in talkto Garrett see about getting in line.
UH. This last segment that wejust finished on, I should have done
this in the beginning. I'm sorryit was brought to you by Jaguar landover
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that in the beginning. All right, coming right back. I'm not a
radio You've only done this forever,like twenty something years. But it's OK.
I'm not a radio guy. Welcomeback, Welcome back to Inside Sports

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Medicine too. Story. I'll hearBrad Ballard there, Garrett on the other
side of the glass. Daniel inthe studio with us. He may be
starting to talk here pretty soon.So on the text machine five seven six

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four among other people have corrected usin that we have had father son play
together Ken Griffy Sr. And KenGriffy Jr. Right, yeah, right,
I forgot about that one. BothHall of famers. Maybe Jr.
Junior I think is a maybe senior. I don't know, but I can't

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two one four seven eight seven,nineteen seventy one is the phone number.
So this is this segment that wecall sports Medicine one oh one. And
I saw a young track star lastweek and he came in and he was
having shin pain and he said,yeah, last year I thought I had

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shin splints, but this feels different. And then his mom was in the
room and she said, well,what is shin splints? And I said,
that is a great question. I'mgoing to put this on my phone
because I want to talk about iton the radio this week. Yeah,
those of us in the sports medicineworld who don't communicate very well. Way

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back in the dark ages, anythingthat caused discomfort between the knee and the
ankle was caused shin splints. Well, I don't care where it was.
If it was below the knee andabove the ankle. Oh, you had
shin splints. Well, that isnot true. That is not true.
Shin splints is a form of tendonitisand it is one very very specific location.

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Runners and jumpers get it. Ifyou're a cyclist, you don't tip
it. We get shin splints.It is on the big toe side of
your tibia. Tibia is the bigbone of the lower leg. The fibula
is the little bone of your lowerleg. Fibula is on a little toe

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side, tibias on the big toeside, So it is on the lower
third of the tibia where a particularmuscle originates. And what happens if you
do a lot of running, ifwhat happens if you do a lot of
jumping, is that some of thosemuscle fibers literally pull off the bone.

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They just separate from the bone.That causes discomfort. And it is what
we call shin splints. It amedical world word for it is posterior tibialis
tendonitis. What. Yeah, itis a Saturday morning, It is really

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early in the morning, and itis raining, and yes, we are
talking about post terior tibialis. Butshin splints is a very specific problem.
Now, I don't know what theyoung man had before, because whatever he
had before was not shn splints.What he has now with shin splints,
and it was textbookcase. The problemwith the symptoms that people have that we

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call shin splints, they overlap withstress fractures. So if you're a runner,
if you're a jumper, you canget stress fractures in the same exact
spot. And there's really not agood way to differentiate the two other than
x Ray's MRIs, than the wholebit. So if you're a long distance

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runner and you think you've got shinsplints and you're limping, you pretty much
bought yourself an MRI. If youcome to see me, you bought yourself
an MRI. Yeah, because I'mnot good enough to tell the difference.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. AndSo a fracture, which probably is going
to be sports medicine one on one, two or three weeks from now,
is a microscopic breaking the bone.Why is that significant? Because it weakens

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the bone and if you smash yourtibia, that's a big problem, big
problem. Really, that's kind ofsports medicine one oh two. Yeah,
because it's a spectrum. It isand that's what I think people may not
understand or appreciate because shin splintz kindof gets thrown around. Oh I'm a
runner, I got leg pain.But the problem is when the leg pain

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starts to get to the point towhere during the run, during the activity,
every step is now painful. Yep. So Daniel, you were in
clinic with me yesterday. We wereseeing an athlete who you know, plays
basketball collegiate six' nine by theway, like six' ten female basketball
player. Wow. But and canshe dunk? Yeah, that's a thing.

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That's a thing. Yeah, yeah, I mean it was six'
nine. I don't think you gottahave much of a vertical But anyway,
you know, the it's a spectrum. It is on the early end of
the spectrum. It's more soft tissue. Like you said that that's that's irritating
right at the area with the bone. But what I've noticed is that as

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it progresses and as it gets worse, when the athlete is saying, yeah,
like it hurts during the run,it hurts during the jump. Every
step I'm taking it's hurting. Ican go, but it's painful. And
if I put my finger on thebone and they jump. I'm like,
yeah, you like you said,you bought yourself an MRI. I but

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the but the but the interesting thingis that people may not be able to
recognize the significance of it because theyare literally at risk of a bone being
broken. And we've seen this becausewe've talked about this. It was on
TV who who was the uh lookid that that was a basketball? His

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name Yeah, I think that saysyeah, went to save a ball from
out of bounds or something like that, and when he landed, crack,
I was I was gruesome, gruesome, right, because those are those are
set ups. So we can talkabout that another time, but that probably
at some point started absolutely some shinsfracture right or splint schess fructure right right

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right right right, so so andsometimes you have both. Sometimes you've got
shin splints and a stretch fracture.What is it? Dogs can have ticks
and fleas, that's right. Iwas taught that dogs can have ticks and
fleas, which means that you canhave two overlying conditions that both share the
same set of symptoms. And yeah, we earn our money eighty five dollars

(41:44):
three pizzas by trying to be ableto differentiate. I'm not gonna let it
go. I'm just not gonna letit go. It was beautiful, Doc.
I love the way you brought thatback. That was awesome. We're
not bitter, It's okay, WellI'm not bitter. No, no,
three pizzas. Uh So sometimes youit is, and it is very difficult,

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especially during competition when you know you'reyou're in a championships or you've got
you know, you've got the statetournament coming up, and you think you've
got shin splints which you can playthrough, but it might be a stress
fracture and we got to shut youdown. Yeah. Those are the tough
calls, that's right. Those arebecause if you have a stress fracture your

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tibia, you got shut you gottashut you gotta shut down. But here's
the deal. If I get theMRI and it shows that your bone is
healthy, but you got shin splins, I'll let you play. I'll let
you go. Yeah, me too, right, Yeah, but if if
I see that the bone is involved, it's going to be tough for me
to justify. But then it getsinto this risk versus reward. Right.
Aaron Rodgers, a player with astress fracture because he's rhyming. I didn't

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know you lied flag on me.It's twenty twenty three steel flag on me.
I brought up Aaron Rodgers again.There you go, docuus, Travis
Ware, Travis Ware, Kevin Sorry, yeah, yeah. So so then
then comes okay, so little Johnny'srunning a lot, the state tournament's coming

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up. He's we've got an MRI. He does not have a fracture,
he's got shin splints. What dowe do? Brad? I'm gonna toss
this one to you because I Idon't have a real good way to make
it go away. Well, wetalked about this. There are some things
that we don't have. Technology thathas just been able to advance and accelerate

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recovery of some things. Some things, time is time is just gonna be
what it's what's necessary. And forthese you know, stress injuries, stress
fractures. You know, I tryto explain to my athletes, like,
you know, we can do abone stimulatory right, so you're talking about
treating stress fractures. I know howto do that, but I'm talking about
the shin splints. Ohls oh yea, yeah, yeah, that's just such

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a tough call. Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you've got abnormal foot
mechanics, sometimes I'll put you anorthodox to see if we can you know,
correct your mechanics ice ice izedize.And then this goes back to what
we were talking about the last segment, you know with the performance center.
Throw the kitchen sink at them,you know, getting hyperbad chamber, getting

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the red light. You know itis right literally shin splints are right under
the skin, So get into redlight. You know, do the supplements
and all that stuff. Just throwthe kitchen sink at them so they can
be ready for the state playoffs,just to try to get them through.
I mean, physical therapy is notgoing to help immediately. I mean that's
more of kind of like maybe there'sa biomechanical is we can do ultrasound,

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But there's not an easy there's notjust a quick fix for this. There's
not a hey, or take thispill and you'll be back right. Yeah,
And there's there's a lot of thatin our world that that sometimes is
frustrating. You know, Planner fasciatis, which is very very similar to Chin's
plints, very painful, and runnersget it. And I don't have a

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pill that I can say, takethis and you'll be better. Right,
So you do shockwave for that,right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah.
So we got some other things thatthat are non invasive but have still
shown some value in terms of beingable to help people get the shockwave of
work on chens plunts or is thatgoing to hurt you? We've tried,
I've done it. I've got apatient that we were talking about this the

(45:28):
other day, Daniel. But Ioffer it. I'm like, hey,
you know it may that hurt.It hurts. Look I tell them,
I say, look, you're notgonna like me for the next five minutes,
but in an attempt to try toget you to get you going,
is it worth it? Okay?Cool? All right, quick little break

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man. This is going by fastinside Sports Medicine. This segment was brought
to you by Blackendorf Jewelry, familyowned and operated since nineteen forty eight.
Christmas is just thirty six hours away, and somebody is still I'm going there
after this. Hey, I didmy final shopping yesterday. I can't fly.

(46:14):
I'm a last minute shopper. Ialways shop on Christmas Eve, but
this year I've been granted a reprievebecause we got Saturday and Sunday, so
I've got two days. Oh twodays. I'm ready right here, so
it's perfect for you. Yeah.Yeah. After work the other day,
I know we got to go andbreak. I apologize. After work the
other day I decided, all right, I'm gonna I already know what I'm

(46:37):
gonna get, so I just needto go pick it up. I couldn't
find a place to park. Iliterally circled, couldn't find a place to
park. I said, you knowwhat, I'll do this later. All
right, quick little break Inside SportsMedicine too. Sorry, I'll Brad Ballard,
Daniel Garrett, coming right back.Welcome back. Who is that singing?

(47:09):
Is that Brian Adams? Yes,sir, well, I'm not familiar
with that song Kids want to Rock? Oh from the Reckless thirtieth Anniversary de
Lex Edition album. All right,I'm might have to I'm might have to
download that. Welcome back to InsideSports Medicine too. Story. I'll here,
Brad Ballard, Garrett, Daniel.Let's go to the phones. Let's

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go to channeler. Good morning,Chandler, how are you hey, good
morning, how are you doing.I'm great? What you got? Yeah,
so I heard you all talking aboutshitting splints. Also, I'm glad
to hear you guys, you're backon the radio. Thank you. But
y'all, we're talking about shitt splints. When I run, I actually get
it on the opposite side, onmy small toe side, to where it

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gets really really tight, just evena few minutes into running. Now,
I'm not an athlete by any means, but just curious what what that could
potentially be, maybe bad form orwell. So so let me let me
back up. So when I whenwhen I started the segment sports Medicine one
O one, I said that backin the olden days, any pain below

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the knee and above the ankle weused to call shin splints. But in
fact, shin splints is a veryspecific problem, and it's always on the
big toe side. That doesn't meanthat you can't have a problem on the
little toe side. I mean onthe fibula you could have. There's a
bunch of things. I mean,I'm gonna let Brad feel this. Yeah,
because it's not shin splints if it'son the little toes side, that's

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right. And that's the first thing. So Doc and I looked at one
another as you were saying like,oh, you know, I only I
have pain, you know, onceI start running? So are you a
runner? No? No, notby any start of the means. Okay,
so what are you doing whenever you'reyou you are you going like a

(49:00):
mile? Or are you going totry to go five miles? Or are
you just spreading to get out ofthe rain? Right? No? Yeah,
Usually when I go, I tryand go for a mile or a
mile or two. And usually wheneverit does happen, it's just a few
minutes in it gets real tight.I've got a question. Okay, so
I think I think I know whatyou got. Yeah, we both have

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an idea because my wife has somethingsimilar. And so, how long after
you stop do the symptoms go away? Five, ten minutes or an hour?
No, yeah, it's pretty quick. I usually put ice on it
pretty quick after I'm done, somaybe ten minutes, fifteen minutes. Quick
question. Is there any numbness,tingling, anything like that that goes into

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the feet or toes whenever this happens, or is it just strictly pain?
No, it's just strictly pain.I have a hard time, like lifting
my sow just because of how tightit is to like just lifting my foot
did really? Yeah? Yeah,you read a book. Okay, So
here's what I would tell you.This is textbook. Yeah, you know,

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you know disclaimer what do you say, doc? Like, uh,
disclaimer not a substitute for a visitwith your doctor, that's right. So
make sure that you see someone,that you get x rays, and that
you get an exam because there aresome things that you know, we talk
about having a list of things,which we call a differential diagnosis. It's
just a list of things that webelieve this could be. So there are

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other things that can happen on thatside, but just based on the symptoms
that you're describing, it could besomething that we call exertional compartment syndrome.
So that's what I was exactly whatI was thinking. It's same exact thing.
This is very textbook description. Thebest way to describe it is that

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your muscles in the lower leg kindof sit in compartments, almost kind of
like like sausage, right, Solike there's it's an encased your muscles are
encased in kind of like a asheath. And so for some people,
the muscles get really really tight whenyou run, and they swell and there's

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no place for them to go,no place for it to go, because
it's it's in case. So whenit swells like that, what happens is
that the nerves and the blood supplyin that casing causes a bunch of pain
and can cause you to have weaknessin the foot, which is why you
can't lift why you can't lift it. I think you've got exertional compartment syndrome,

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and just recognizing it is step oneand treating it is a little bit
more difficult. But you know,we're not going to take the time to
offer treatment now as long as thesymptoms get better quickly. I think you're
fine if you were a runner,for example, and that was your career

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and that's how you made your living. Uh, there are I mean,
it's a procedure. It's a relativelyshort surgical procedure called the compartment release and
uh and that makes that go away, That makes that problem go away.
But if you're just recreationally do itfrom time to time, it you're probably
better off riding a stationary bike orsomething where there's not the impact that makes

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the muscles swell. Yeah. Soso part of my question for people who
who we you know who have thisdiagnosis is are you married to running?
Yeah? Or as? Or isrunning a means to an end? Because
if you're married to running, well, then you are. Our approach to
really getting you better is going tobe different than now, Doc. You

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know, I like it because itkeeps me in shape, but I'm not
married to it. I can bea cyclist. If that case, I
say, hey, look, geta peloton or you know, we get
get you know, do something that'sgoing to be less impactful. And uh,
if it's just a means to anends, you can still get in
shape and it's not going to botherthe the leg by doing bike or elliptical
or something like that. But ifyou're married to running, then the approach

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is gonna be a little different.One of the interesting things that you said,
Chandler, is that you know itit bothers you a few minutes into
the run, and it goes awaya few minutes after the run, which
makes diagnostics very difficult because by thetime you come see the dock, your
symptom free. You know, Sothis is this is this is one of
those diagnoses that we make based onthe history. There have been times both

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Brad and I have done this inthe office where we'll tell you to bring
in your shoes and bring in yourrunning gear. We'll get you under treadmill,
we'll get you to reproduce it forus, and then we do it's
called compartment pressures where sounds kind ofsounds terrible, but you stick a needle
in there and measure the pressure andto actually prove it. But between episodes,

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you're normal, you look normal,you feel normal. It's just it's
just, you know, we makethe diagnosis based on the history. There's
not an MRI, there's not abone, skin or just it's just one
of those clinical diagnoses. Yeah,and it still warrants a workup. Oh
yeah, I still get the Xray. We got to rule out all

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the other stuff because typically it's whatwe call a diagnosis of exclusion, which
means that you have to exclude allthe other more common things that would actually
happen on that side of the leg. But but you know, if if
we're you know, talking about exertionalcompartment syndrome, that's that's how it's worked
up, and that's how the approachis. I'm glad you called. There
are some things you can wear sleeverleggings sometimes that helps put it off.

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Yeah, all right, okay,thanks Chandler. Well, I really appreciate
it. Thank you guys. That'sa great call. It was a great
call. Man. It was likehe read a textbook. That was textbook.
All right, So on the onthe text machine five to one three
three asks? Can you read it, Daniel? Yeah, it says great

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morning. Will you see college footballplayer trying to get ready for the draft?
Brad, Well, you see acollege football player trying to get ready
for the draft? Yeah? Sogreat question. The answer is yes,
we do. See. We dothis all the time. Yeah. So
college athletes who have finished the collegefootball season and they're preparing for the draft

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yearly, we've we have a programthat really helps and kind of partners with
some of the performance centers here inthe Dallas Fort Worth area. So there
are some performance centers which athletes goto to try to get bigger, faster,
stronger, and they have a programto try and get those athletes prepared,

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or the football players specifically to tryto get them prepared for the combine
because they have to perform well inorder to get drafted or to increase their
draft stock. Part of what we'vedone is we've said, listen, we
can do a full medical screen andevaluation on these on these football athletes getting

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ready, we say, well,what's the significance of that? What most
people don't realize And we'll talk aboutthis more as we get to combine time,
but there is a full on medicalscreen that these combine athletes. There's
a full day committed to medical.So if you're a college athlete trying to
enter the draft, they are goingto look at your entire medical history,

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every joint with a fine tooth comb. Look, don't be surprised if you're
if you're a college athlete that's goingfor the football combine that you get seven
MRIs. Oh yeah, they're goingto MRI your back, You're going to
MRI your knees, You're going toMRI or whatever. And so they look,
it's a big investment. They haveto assess the asset. You are

(56:50):
a you are a potential asset forthe business. So what we do is
a great program. We go inand really kind of mock that entire process,
and then we find what these potentialthreats to your performance are and then
in a you know, six toeight week period we can work on correcting
that. It's better to be proactive. That's right, that's right. I

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mean we've helped I don't know howmany athletes every year get better. We
find things that if if it wasn'tcorrected by sometimes to the draft time,
I mean, their draft stock isgoing to drop I mean period into story.
So it's been a great program.It's a ton of value for the
athletes, for the agents, andso, Yeah, the best story that

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I that I can tell, andthis wasn't one of my patients. I
think it was one of doctorble largepatients. Played at a big time,
big, big time school, oneof the four schools that's in the championship.
Now, let's let's leave it atthat. And he had some back
issues that were never really taken seriously, never really investigated. And he came

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through doctor Billarge's program and he waspreparing for the combine and they said,
what's going on my back? Andso got an MRI. Turned out he
had a herniated disc. Trust me, if Ballar didn't find it, the
combine would have found it and hisdraft stock would have dropped. It.
Yeah, massively ended up getting treatmentand the treatment was unfortunately surgical, But

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nonetheless he still had time. Andguess what his stock rose. He went
from a projected middle you know,twenty pick to a top fifteen pick.
Yeah, because this was identified,taken care of, and addressed, and
you know, he's still grateful.Part of the athletes and the agents,

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they don't know what they don't know. They don't realize that. You know,
they're sitting on injuries that could affectthe forty, that can affect the
broad jump, that can affect Wait, is this am I answering? Garrett?
Are we answering? Who's online too? I believe, he said,
Gerard. I our phones are reallyhard to hear sometimes. Get him on,

(59:07):
Get him on the phone. Okay, he is out for us.
Hey, uh, good morning,it's doctor. Sorry on this Gerard,
doctor my name is not ok Iapologize, man, It was just is
this genobyl? Yes? Hey?What are you? Are you the one
asking the question about getting ready forthe combines? Yes, sir, because

(59:28):
we're answering it. We're answering rightnow. You're answering my question right now.
You have That's why they pay youthe big buck. Eighty five dollars
three pizzas. Yeah, three pizzasMan three pizzas. Okay, look we'll
bring you look beat this Chicago style. Okay, that's right for the winter

(59:51):
time. Yeah so this so yeah, so we we do so. Brad
was trying to be really humble here, but he's been doing in us for
several years now. Where we lookat the guys who are going to the
NFL Draft, and you know,if they've got any issues, we'd rather
be proactive now rather than wait tillApril, because if we don't pick it

(01:00:13):
up, they're going to pick itup. And Brad, Brad, we've
had the pleasure, Brad has hadthe pleasure of meeting one of those athletes.
Ah yeah, yeah yeah. Soare both your boys going through the
combine? No one? Okay,well one is he's getting ready. The
youngest one. He still wants to. He needs to be evaluated because he

(01:00:37):
has two years of eligibility. Buthe's kind of ranked as the right tackle
in the nation. So he's gota little shoulder twins. He had shoulder
surgery, but it's still kind offunky. But yeah, we'll talk about
it. But we're happy to seehim. Texas Sports Madison. We've got
a couple of really top notch.You use your telep at the skills too,

(01:00:58):
and you know, and doctor Bradanswer my question before I even couldn't
even think of it. Well,I'm glad, I'm glad you called,
and I'm glad you're listening. Iappreciate it. We got to wrap up,
all right, all right, regularhey, but that that that's a
really good program. And I haveto give doctor Mayer a shout out for

(01:01:20):
this because I think he's the onethat got it started. And doctor Mayer
was our partner for a long timeand now he's the head orthopedic. Well
he's a head team physician for theNew York New Orleans Saints. I saw
him the other night. He almostgot a run over on the sideline.
Oh really, Thursday night football.Yeah, the athlete was coming and he
you know, so isn't that funny? So he starts this program a Texas

(01:01:45):
Sports Medicine to do NFL Combine prescreenings. And now he's now he's one
of the ones on the other sideand a microscope looking at these athletes.
Now he's on the other sides,on the other side of it. Yea,
but yeah, very interesting. Yeah, So got nothing else you got

(01:02:06):
we we ran out of subject matter, and we still have more show to
do. Still got three good minutes, three good minutes. What does Christmas
time look like for you? Dot? What was that gonna look like other
than doing some shopping, which you'reexcited about over the next so a couple
of I'm glad you asked. Thisis my absolute favorite time of the year.

(01:02:30):
However, it also is my busiesttime of the year. Yeah,
So December historically is a very busytime in medicine. A lot of people
are trying to you know, useup their deductible. They've already met it,
so they want to get some thingsdone. I see a ton of
college kids who got hurt while they'reaway at school and now they're home for

(01:02:53):
a couple of weeks, and theywant these things addressed. And couple that
with the fact that I or scheduleat work is altered, you know.
So we've got we had half dayyesterday for the staff. We're off Monday
and Tuesday, so you're trying tosee more patients in less in less time,

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and and we're the ones that are, you know, really busy trying
to accommodate everybody. And therefore Ihave less and less time to think about
Christmas or to shop, which ishistorically why I would do it on Christmas
Eve. I have all these listsbecause I know what my kids have talked

(01:03:37):
about, I know what Karen's talkedabout, and and so I just go
pick it up. It becomes aproblem if you can't find it, then
then then then it's a crapshoot.Then it's all right, I'm just gonna
go to this. Yeah, myfavorite holiday in the year is Thanksgiving.

(01:04:01):
Well you didn't ask me that question. I know I'm my favorite too.
Really, Oh, I love Thanksgivingthat everybody's at. My birthday happens to
be on Thanksgiving, so everybody's there. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. This
is our first Christmas where not everybody'sgonna be there. Oh really, this
is my first Christmas without my daughterBradley Kate ever ever. She's thirty one
and this is the first year she'snot gonna be here. Wow. Yeah,

(01:04:27):
anyway, Uh, I'm glad youasked. And then drops lollipop and
in drops what this exit music?I don't even know what it's called.
It's lollipop, my little lane.That's right. You know what We've done
this for twenty three years and I'venever really put two and two together.
Well you'd have thought it was jayZ. But I didn't even know this

(01:04:48):
was hip hop. I mean thisis rap. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I didn't even know this was rap. But the beat is sick.
We're gonna keep this as an outroforever. Yeah, instrumental one, so
we're not hearing the actual music,So we're not hearing little Waye go off.
There are words to this, ohyes, but this is just the
instrumental, instrumental part, so youdon't hear him speaking or singing. We

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just hear the beat dropping all that, you know what, I suspect,
I really don't want to know thewords. I'm pretty sure I do not
want to know the words. Andif you do, I say listen to
it yourself. Don't listen to itout out over the air or something.
It's probably inappropriate. But over there. This was picked by Clarence Carter.
Remember Clarence. Clarence was one ofmy first producers that way back and got
out to Clarence for sure, he'sthe one that picked this, and now

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I'm mad at him. No,No, this is a great I mean,
dude, like you can't help.But like Bob, your instrumental.
But yeah, the instrumental is dope. So I don't know. I don't
know how this became politically incorrect,but Merry Christmas to everybody. I don't
understand why this is such a controversialthing. Whatever. We've got a couple

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