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Saturday morning. Everyone, Good Saturdaymorning, and welcome to Inside Sports Medicine.
I'm your host, Doctor Teo.Sorry, I'll live in the studio.
Episode eight hundred and seven zero.For those of you keeping track,

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We have a lot to get totoday. NFL combines are going on.
We're gonna peel the curtain back alittle bit and share with you what
really happens in the NFL combines,or actually what it's really all about.
I'm joined in the studio by doctorMeil Manning Morning Mail, Good morning,

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how are you? I'm great?Also, Hunter Daniel, Good morning.
Garrett's on the other side of theglass. Morning Garrett Morning, how are
you? I'm great. We havea full house today. For those of
you Formula one fans. The racecomes on after the show, so make

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sure you listen to the show andthen you can tune into race. Max
is gonna win. So hopefully Ididn't just ruin it for you. No,
you just helped people not want towatch it. Now you know what
you saved them times. It's funnyyou should say that because I used to
be a big F one fan.In fact, i'm kind of still and
have one. Do you have thejacket us? I have all kinds of

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F one stuff, but last seasonI was it was just hard to watch
because you knew who was going tobe in the pole, you know who
was going to win, and youknow it was always a race for second,
third, or fourth. And soI don't know, I don't know
what's going to happen this year,but yeah, the race is on after

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Inside sports Medicine is over. Sodoctor Manning, he's been part of Texas
sports Medicine twenty five, twenty eightyears, twenty four years, twenty four
years. His training took him tothe US Olympic team, both the Paralympics

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and the regular Olympics. Spent whata decade and a half two decades doing
that sort of thing, Yes,sir, what an experience. He still
sees Olympians now to this day,we see Olympians. That's correct, And
that's an interesting part of sports medicine. You know, you've heard me talk

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on this show for years about therisk reward equation and what is the reward
versus what is the risk? Whatis the risk of taking an aspirin versus
the reward of getting rid of yourheadache? Well, that risk reward equation,
and for Olympians is really tilted towardsthe reward because it's once every four

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years. Once every four years,that's great, and you you take whatever
risk you need to take to makeit for that one tournament. And many
times it's just it's not even atournament. It's a game. It can
be a match, it can bejust really short term. Yeah, look,
it's it's hard for me to wrapmy head around that. Obviously,

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you lived it, so you youcan explain it way better than I can
explain it. But you know,if you have a I don't know if
you I'm going to fall back tomy NBA career. If you if you
lose the NBA finals, well there'salways next year. But for the Olympics,
the four years is a huge gap. Four years is a huge gap

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for Olympians and para Olympians. AndI have more experience with the Paralympians,
so I can speak to that aswell. And it is they train years,
they train ten fifteen years for thirtyseconds of a match or thirty seconds
of a race. Wow, Wow, it's amazing. And so your I

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really wasn't going to go there today, But since I've already taken us there,
let's just continue on the journey.So when you cover the Olympics and
you are physically in Tokyo or wherever, wherever. Your task is to make

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sure that they can compete for thosethirty seconds at their max or you're waiting
for something to happen. So justto be clear, I'm part of a
team when I take care of athletes. These athletes, whether they're Olympians or
paralympians, is part of a team. And it's not just the physician.
It is the athletic trainer, itis the physical therapist. It is a

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lot of different people, and alot of different medical person How many people
are on our team for example,medical people? So you have a physician
is one, and you have aathletic trainer, and you have a you
have a physical therapist. It canbe anywhere from five to ten personnel per

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sport. Wait wait wait per sport, per sport, per sport, because
there's a lot of people that needto be taken care of. So track
and field has a medical team,swimming has a medical team. Is that
is that how it works? Well? No, you have a medical team
that supports all these different sports andthen whatever team is involved, they get
their own athletic trainer, they gettheir own uh, they get their own

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nutritionists in that kind of thing.So I was with the I was with
the Mavericks and the NBA and theOlympics started allowing the Dream Team to play.
And there was a bit of acontroversy in that the NBA players wanted
NBA doctors to take care of themrather than Olympic doctors because historically, historically

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Olympics used to be an amateur sport. So the college team physicians took care
of the basketball team well when theystart, when they opened the doors and
they said we're going to let NBAplayers now play, the NBA agents said,
well, we want an NBA docto do it well. And with

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the Olympics, you have the USAOlympics physicians who are taking care of these
year round, and so you havethese physicians that are able to travel with
these events during certain uh times.Okay, okay, So man, I
didn't realize I was going to getthis far into it, but I'm amazed.

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I'm absolutely amazed by this. So, uh, the US Olympic docs
travel during the year. No,well, they travel for the different events
that happened, So the pan AmGames, the PanAm Games, and uh,
the World championships, qualifiers, thingslike that, right, qualifiers,
correct, and those happened in differentplaces. So is that a full time

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job for them. No, it'snot a full time job, but you
have to be available. It takeswell. I remember numerous times you were
gone for three or four weeks.Absolutely, Yeah, gone to Chile,
gone to Argentina, gone to You'reyou're in Asia at some point. Yeah,
Daygu South Daygu South No, SouthKorea, South Korea. Yeah,

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I remember that. Yeah, forWorld Championships, it's yeah, it's a
lot, Okay, and then theI'm sorry, I just I just need
to get this clear in my mind. Okay. So then you go there,
you go to South Korea, andyou're with the team because you've been
taking care of them throughout the year. And then there are the South Koreans

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provide doctors or does the local teamprovide doctors? No, No, you
have your own physician, You haveyour own medical team, as well as
other countries have their medical teams.So I'm supporting the athletes from US.
You know, it's the volleyball team, it's the swimmers, it's the fencers,
it's just everybody, and we justjust a team. It's a team

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effort. Wow. So so thethe medical for everybody, that must be
hundreds of you guys. Well,I mean I think just depending on who's
available, we all just kind ofpick. I don't mean just for the
US I'm talking about. Oh yeah, so Germany has a team. Oh
yeah, as Germany has a team. Yeah, all the all the countries

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have their own teams and you getto meet them, you know, during
during situations where if somebody gets hurtor uh, you get when you convene
for lunch or dinner, you know, in this in in the in the
do you get to stay in thevillage, in the village, So you

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get to stay in the village.The village and the village is secure,
right, so you're not getting inunless you have certain credentials, so you
are it's secure. And then thevillage you have that's where you have the
dorms. Uh. And the dormsare the housing was a part of the
university there, so the university webasically convened on all the dormitories and then

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the the cafeteria. I've known youfor a long time and you're kind of
a five star guy, and youstayed in a dorm and the dorm.
I'm not a five star guy,but our boarding school for professional athletes,
Wow, it was. It was. It's a great experience. So one
last question before we leave, becauseI'm fascinated by So, what happens to

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the countries that just have one athlete? They have more docs than others,
or they they farm it out?Well no, well then that's that's kind
of when you help out. YouUsually they don't they won't have a physician,
they'll have a trainer, and thenthe trainer will come to you and
say, well, we don't haveour doctor. Can you help out?
So that's when you kind of helpout and just you know, and you

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have access to MRIs and all thatstuff. You have access to most things.
And that's why the place that we'reable to go to get selected because
they have all these resources. Ohyeah, when you have all that's that's
the only way you can get selectedif you have all these resources. If
you don't have resources, then you'renot going to get selected as a country.
So you're not going to get selectedif you're you know, pengu islands

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and you don't have right, youdon't have their resources. Well, so
a little bit later, in theshow, We're gonna kind of share with
you how all this works together.Because it was during COVID, I might
as well just do it now.It was during COVID that, you know,

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sports medicine world kind of came toa halt, and Manning and I
and Levy had some time on ourhands, and we decided, since we
do this, since we do thesecutting edge treatment options for our pro athletes
and our olympians anyway, why don'twe offer it to the rest of our

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patients. You know, they theythey may not be Olympians and may not
be they may not be NFL players, but they want to compete at the
highest levels. And this was allmales idea. I'm going to just make
it very clear right now. It'sall males ideas. So now we have
the Performance Center at Texas Sportsman andpart of the performance center are all of

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these things that you've learned, thatyou've been using for decades that are now
available to little Joey. Yeah that'sright. Yeah, Well, I want
to talk about all that later becauseone of the things on my list to
discuss today was the regeneritive medicine options. You know, what is PRP,
What is stem cells when and doyou get stem cells from you know,

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from a chicken or what I mean. So we will talk about all that
today and also later today. AndI'm terribly, terribly excited about this.
In honor of the NFL Combines,we are going to have an NFL Great
Hall of Famer Heisman Trophy winner Timbrown Woodrow Wilson's own is going to be

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on the last segment. So tellyour friends to tune in for the last
segment. I really want his perspectiveas to do the combines actually change anybody's
mind. I mean, that's goingto be the first question I asked him
because I'm curious about that. Youknow, all the NFL teams have scouts,

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and they scout all these college kidsfrom all year long, and they
have a really good idea of whatthey're getting. Certainly in the first three
rounds, I'm not sure about thesecond. The three rounds. How many
rounds does it combine? Yeah,I think it's the draft. The draft.

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Oh, the draft is seven rounds. I believe seven rounds. So
mister irrelevant was the last draft pickof the seventh round. Okay, so
you may not have a tremendous amountof volume on mister irrelevant in terms of
stats, et cetera. But doesshown up and hang on a second,

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My brain's going five different directions,so does mister irrelevant? Did perty get
call? Did he get invited tothe combines? I mean, if you're
really that low in the totem poll, do you get invited to the combines?
Everybody's shaking their head. No,probably not anyway, So I'm just
curious and I want to hear itfrom the commissioner of the Arena Football League.

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What do the combines actually change anybody'smind? All right? Inside Sports
Medicine two one four Let me giveyou the number, which, by the
way, works for text as wellas phone calls. Two one four seven
eight seven nineteen seventy one. Ifyou're new to the show, we do
take calls. I prefer that youkeep him sports medicine related. Don't don't

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ask me about Grandma's broken hip becauseI probably can't answer, uh. Two
one four seven eight seven nineteen seventyone. Inside Sports Medicine, Quick Little
break, coming right back? Doyou remembering? Welcome Back? Cat's got

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to be one of the best songsof all time, absolutely, all times,
all time all time. I mean, if there's a list of best
songs of all time, this hasgot to be on. I don't care
how bad you're feeling. You listento this and you're already upbeating. The
opening is flipped. The opening thirtyseconds. Absolutely, I don't care how
you're feeling. The mood is flipped. Earth Wind and Fire if you have

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not seen him. By the way, I had this discussion with doctor Ballard
a couple of months ago. He'snever seen Earth Wind and Fire. Are
you serious? He ended up going, oh, he's going to lose some
cool strips, so he texted meand he's one of the best shows ever.
Oh absolutely, And and even Iseen it and I'm twenty four years
old. Yeah, isn't it cool? It is? They're amazing. So

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little story out side story, Therewas this concert event on the East Coast
and West Coast and I can't remember. I think it was called the Classics,
and they had it was a twoday event and they had like Fleetwood,
Mac, the Eagles, Journey,uh, earth Wind and Fire,

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but Steely Dan whatever whatever whatever,and Earth Wind and Fire was not the
headliner, but they stole the show. Oh yeah, it was because you
know every song. Yeah, wegrew up with every single song. Every
song anyway, Yeah, not asgood as it was that as good as

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the jay Z concert you went to, the one that you took me to.
Yes, do we really want togo? Do we really want to
go? There? You embarrassed?Maybe in front of thousands of people?
No, I won't do that,So I'll go ahead tell this. So
Doctor Manning invited me to go toa concert with him in was it Nashville
Memphis? Nashville Memphis. It wasbefore the uh the I was a Mike

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Tyson Mike Tyson fight. Yeah,so we were there for the Mike Tyson
fight. And Doctor Manning is wellconnected. I mean, just just so
you know, he is extraordinarily wellconnected. And the night before the fight,
there was a concert and I gowith mel and we're on the We're
on the side of the stage.We're on the side of the stage,

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and I had no clue who wasplaying. I I literally stood there.
So Missy Elliott opened up and hedidn't know who Missy Elliott was at the
time. No idea, no idea. And and so was was jay Z
the headliner? Yeah? Jay Zwas a headliner, and where I was
literally ten feet from him, hadno clue. Most popular rapper of all

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time orgame and well at that timehe wasn't he was just starting. Yeah,
well he wasn't just starting, buthe was known. I'm more intrigued
how you got backstage. Oh he'sconnected. Oh no, no, no,
no, he knows people. Ohwe were, yeah, we were.
They were good seats. Yeah,so he I think I think you

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took care of Mike Texan's agent orsomething like that, right, yes,
yeah, yeah, so that's howwe had the privileged seats and uh yeah.
So I went to a second MikeTyson fight, and this time I
was not court side. I waslike way up in a whatever. And
my, my, my involvement wasvery very peripheral. Certainly I did not

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know people like you did. Butone of my patients was on the undercard.
So he fought like two fights beforeMike Tyson, and I was his
doc, And so I was inviteddown into the tunnel and I got to
see Mike Tyson. He literally walkedby me, scared the crap out of
him. Oh yeah, he's animposing figure, imposing figure, so muscular.

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Yeah. So unbelievable. And thefight I think it was in Las
Vegas. The fight lasted thirty twoseconds. It was you know how the
in the beginning of the fight whenreferee gets you the two guys to hit
gloves, Yeah, touch gloves.Okay, Well instead of touching gloves,
he hit them and he rocked him. He rocked him like on the very

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opening moment. That's a barbaric sport. I'm not sure how fair that was.
I mean, because the other guywas preparing to just hit gloves,
so he wasn't defending himself. Hegot rocked. Anyway, how did we
get onto that music the win inthe fire? Yeah? Yeah to jay
Z to Mike Tyson. All right, See this is the kind of stuff
you get on inside sports medicine.It's not all acls and high ankle springs.

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Speaking of now, we're going toshift gears and talk a little bit
about the combines. So this weekend, it's actually the whole week the
NFL Combines are taking place in Indianapolis, and they choose Indianapolis because it is
central located, and players are invitedand teams are all represented, and all

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the teams bring their medical staffs,their entire medical staffs. In fact,
in the NFL they bring their radiologistsalong with them so that they can interpret
the MRI's firsthand rather than have athird party interpret the MRI for them.
And combines is actually two parts.One part is running the forty and drills

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and how how you jump and heightand weight and all that stuff. So
one part is actual physical activity.The other part is the examinations, physical
examinations. It ends up being amedical it ends up being a medical And
we did the same thing for theNBA. I've done I don't know,
well over two dozen combines for theNBA, and it's the same kind of

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thing. In the NBA, theydo have drills on how how you jump
and height and weight and all thatstuff, and then they also have scrimmages,
so they break them up into teamsand the guys play and the basketball
people, you know, see howyou perform. But the real reason for
the combine is the medical component,because at some point a player is considered

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an asset, and you want tosee if your asset can fulfill the obligation
of the initial three year term,or if you're going to spend a lot
of money on them. You needto know whether you know he's got a
bad knee or a bad hip,et cetera, et cetera. And it,

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I guess it's somewhat I'm trying tobe delicate here. It's somewhat demeaning
for the athlete because you're examined bythirty two different people. And on the
internal medicine side, there are thirtytwo different internal medicine docs who listen to
your heart and lungs, and youknow, I don't think they do the
turn your head and cough thirty twotimes. But still not all are the

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same interpretation. Not all are thesame interpretation. So you're prodded and you're
examined, and if you say,you know, yeah, in high school,
I broke my little finger, youget an MRI of your little finger.
So a lot of these guys willspend hours in MRI scanners because they
had a shoulder problem and a backproblem and a knee problem. And so

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it I can see how it isdemeaning, but I also understand how it
is from the team perspective, inthat there are hundreds of millions of dollars
that are riding on your ability tofulfill this three year contract. And did
I not hear that who's a projectednumber one draft hunter Caleb Williams currently And

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you were saying that he opted out. Yeah, he declined to do medicals
at the combine. He will domedicals at his pro day with the certain
teams he decides to interview with.What is pro day? So proday is
just an opportunity for guys that didn'tget invited to the combine or guys that
were in the combine to have acombine at their home facility. So can
you opt for a pro day insteadof going to the combine? I mean,

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can you be that good and say, I am, I'm not going
to Indianapolis, you just come seeme at LSU or whoever. Absolutely,
I mean I imagine that the quarterbacksright now that have opted out of throwing
at the combine, Jen Daniels,Caleber Williams, Drake May will most likely
throw at their pro day. Imean, you think about this. This
is the biggest interview of their lifefor these guys. So you want to

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make sure all the pieces are inthe right place. You want to make
sure you're throwing the guys you're comfortablewith. And the NFL combine is just
a foreign setting that really for guyslike that, it's only gonna hurt their
stock. The great players actually leveragethe fact that they can have a Pro
Day for that, right, Ohabsolutely, And you think about it,
Guys that have been training who it'sreally important for them to run a good

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time. If they're not, ifthey're not prepared and they haven't been meeting
their times, they're going to waituntil they're Pro Day to run the forty
and it's on there, it's ontheir field, and they're throwing to their
guys for sure, controlled environment.Actly. But I'm guessing a pro day
does not have medical because you can'thave MRIs and two teams and all that.
No, so that'll be more whenit comes to teams interviewing and bringing

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guys to their facilities to have thosemore in depth interviews to see if they
want to select them. But wouldn'tyou say the NFL combine is better because
wouldn't you start throwing two guys whoyou didn't play with that all? Because
say, for Kayleb Williams example,there's a good chance he's going to the
Chicago Bears. Chago Bears haven't madean announcement of justin fields or anything.

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But when you go to a teamas a from college to NFL, you're
basically going to play with guys youhaven't played or maybe you played with one
of these guys before, offensively ordefensively. So you would think going to
the NFL combine, Yeah, letme experience some of these other wide receivers,
running backs, tied ends. Noway, I'm going to chime in
here. I don't know that thatis necessarily the time that you want to

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be experimenting exactly. Yeah. Imean, if you're Caleb Williams, you
know you're going first or second,you know you're the you're going number one,
Yes, so why does he needto throw? Yeah? I think
the combines can do nothing but hurtyou if you're number one. And so
I'm gonna kind of divert a littlebit and talk about NBA combines. So
probably in the last decade or so, there's been a huge influx of foreign

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players and they don't necessarily come fromEurope for the combines. So if you're
going to be drafting Luca, ifyou're going to be drafting Djokovic, Djokovic,
Jokich, Djokovic, is a tennisplayer. Sorry, they're not coming
to the combines. You're you're notgoing to see how they jump, You're

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not going to see how fast theyrun. You're not going to see the
physical for sure. And so thecombines, at least in the NBA,
has become because of the large influxof foreign players, is becoming a bit
more unpredictable at let's say a littlebit of a cat mouse game. Yeah,
and and and we're seeing this inthe NFL now, in that a

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decade ago, I don't care whereyou thought you were going to be picked.
You showed up exactly if you wereinvited, you showed up. And
so now you're invited, but yousay, eh, I'm not going to
come. I'm gonna ask Tim thiswhen he comes on. Tim Brown's going
to be on in our last segment, because I'm very curious as to what

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his his thoughts are on this particularquestion. Can the combines help you?
Is somebody gonna move up because youran a four to two forty? Oh?
I absolutely believe so. Really,But it doesn't it matter of how
how you throw, how you catch, how you rather than how fast.

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Yeah, but if a guy testsreally well, you can determine their explosiveness.
You look for to see how guyplays. You watch guy on film.
He might play he might play fast, but when he gets thrown the
foury, he might run like afive to two million. I don't really
know how that guy is going totranslate. We've had sprinters that made terrible
NFL players, except for Bob Hays. Bob Hays was the only one.

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You guys, don't blank looks yeah, blank looks. Oh, yeah,
no, that's true. But we'vewe've had sprinters who are lightning fast.
Yeah. Who there's one. Yeah, I know, yeah, yeah,
he was great sprinter. Yeah,wasn't it great ballplayer though, right,
Yeah, So I'm just wondering.I I can't wait to see so see
what his perspective is. If youguys old enough to remember Willie Gaull blank

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blank blank yeah. So on theon the medical side of things, So,
so here's how it works. Youfill out of medical history and often
the players might leave some things out. Uh, your college trainer filled out

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a medical history that is reviewed bythe trainers of the teams, and there
is also an initial interview and backin the back in the day, that
initial interview is done by a residentor fellow or or not necessar sssarily a
team doc, but somebody just underhim. Then they interview the player,

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Hey, when you were in highschool, did you have this injury or
that injury, or did you missany time or you take any medications blah
blah blah. And based on thatinitial medical history, then X rays and
MRIs are ordered and then the playersare examined. So today is actually Saturday
and Sunday are when all three hundredof these players are going to be examined

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by all thirty two medical staffs.And they reached their own conclusions. And
this is the this is the judgmentpart that separates different teams. There are
certain teams in the NBA that havea high risk tolerance and they will take
a guy who tore his ACL whenhe was in high school. And there

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are some teams and medical staffs thathave very low risk tolerance and they won't
touch him. We're not nope,he and we're not going in anywhere near
that. The judgment call, andthis comes from general managers and owners,
the judgment call. And San Antoniois really one of those teams in the

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NBA that took risks on guys withmedical issues, and most often it paid
off. You know, I'd liketo think that, you know, when
I was with the MAVs, wewere one of those teams that took certain
medical risks because at some point youknow what's safe and what's not safe,
and from a doctor standpoint, youknow what's fixable and what's not fixable.

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So if somebody's twenty two years oldand their knees already arthritic, that's going
to be a challenge that one.You know, it's kind of hard to
fix that. But if someone hasan unstable ankle, for example, oh
yeah, we can tape it up, we can repair it. There's all
kinds of things. So but thereare other teams that won't even touch somebody

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if they have that, which bringsup what Melani and doctor Ballard actually everybody
at TEXTS Sports Medicine did. Backin January, we did these screenings for
Perspective Combine players going into the NFL, and the point of the screenings was

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to use our experience over the yearsto evaluate these young young guys to see
if they had anything that might betreatable in advance of the combine so that
they are not faced with these medicalconditions that might drop them. Get ahead
of the game, exactly, getahead of the game. And look,

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sometimes we came across things that arenot fixable. We came across the twenty
two year old alignment with a reallyarthritic knee, and yeah, and it
helped them. It did help thembecause it prepares them for the kinds of
questions that are going to be askedof them, so they can control their
own narrative exactly. So we've beendoing that for the last what four or
five years? Four five years,yeah, right, yeah, since before

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COVID, and it's it seems tobe very helpful because we know what kind
of questions are going to be asked, we know what kind of examinations are
going to be performed, and throughthat we can give you a heads up.
The textbook one was I think heplayed at Alabama or Auburn, whatever
is projected to be a high draftpick, had back issues and when he

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came through our screenings, it wastaken seriously. We got an MRI.
Turned out he had a pinched nerveand he ended up having surgical treatment.
Guess what, he moved up inthe draft. Yes, Whereas if this
was not picked up, he wouldhave dropped. All right, enough of
that. When we come back,we're going to talk a little bit more

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about what we do at the PerformanceCenter and how we translate all the things
that we do for professionals and olympiansto just regular athletes like me and you
and on the text machine. Iforgot to say something two one four seven
eight seven, nineteen seventy one.I forgot to mention that we are still

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we do this every week. Arecurious as to who is listening from the
farthest away. So if you're listeningto us on the iHeartRadio app and you
happen to be in Vancouver, textasor wherever you are. Inside Sports Medicine
TiO Sorrel Mail Manning, Daniel Hunter, Garrett, coming right back. Welcome

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back. Earth Wind and Fire ismusic of choice this morning. Welcome back
to Inside Sports Medicine to Oh sorry, I'll here for doing that. By
the way, that was good.Oh the music is good choice. Thank
you, great choice. Uh thatwas meil Manning, doctor meil Manning,
Hunter Spears, Daniel is here aswell. I forgot where I was going

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with this. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. The text machine two one
four seven eight seven, nineteen seventyone. Also, we take your phone
calls if you have any sports medicinequestions two on four seven eight seven,
nineteen seventy one. And listening allfrom all the way in Mesquite four zero
six' four. That cannot bethe farthest away listener. That's just about

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like fifteen minutes from here. Yeah, that's absolutely that should not even count.
I shouldn't have read that. Well, they're leading so far, they're
the people that they are the farthestaway. Now, we've had Germany,
we've had Cozumel, we've had Hawaiibefore where we came here. So yeah,
so that that's farthest away listener.We also had another interesting question,

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uh two three one one wants toknow he's I guess he or she I
can't tell from the phone number.Is already an organ donor, but is
there such a thing as a cadaverdonor? And Daniel did some research on
it. Yeah, there is,First and foremost, when I was in
college at Missouri State, we gotto use cadavers, which is someone donates

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their body to science so that otherpeople can learn. Is basically how it
works in anatomy lab in college,a physician would come in, they would
do it, perform a dissection likeof the brachial plexus or of muscles in
the arm or leg or whatever itmay be, and we would get to
learn on a real person yep ora medical schools have that anatomy lab as

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well. Yes, but how sohow do you become that? Yeah?
How do you donate your body thescience? Because I really don't have any
idea. Yeah, so there iscurrent only one accredited institution. It's the
AATB American Association of Tissue Banks.Okay, you get in touch with them.
Some medical schools also have their owndonation service as well, but you

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can definitely get in touch with them. There's a lot of paperwork to fill
out, but that's basically how youstart the processes. Look it up and
you know, do a service tothe community for sure, if that's what
you're interested in and that's what you'dlike to do. Okay. So one
of my NFL guys just texted melistening to the show. I may have

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him call in and see what hethinks about that question on Yeah, that'd
be great on the combine if hetalked about his pro day experience. Yeah,
two, one, four, seven, eight, seven, nineteen seventy
one. I don't know if you'restill listening, I want to ask you
that particular question, Ken, doesthe combin and help you will hurt you?

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All right? Thank you for thatinformation on the donor thing. That
was very good, good good research. So during COVID we had some time
on our hands and doctor Manning hadthis most brilliant idea that why don't we

(38:21):
take advantage of all the knowledge andall the information that we've learned from taking
care of pro athletes and olympians.We have one hundred years between three of
us. Yeah, one hundred yearsof experience at that level. And you
know, there are certain supplements thatwe know work, and there are certain
supplements that we know don't work.And there are certain supplements that work.

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However, they're going to test youpositive, so you better not use those
supplements. Right. So why don'twe, you know, kind of have
our own little performance center and fora medical practice like Texas Sports Medicine,
I think we're the only practice inthe country that has this performance center.
Now, the team teams have it, so you know, they have a
director of Sports Madison and that's hisor her job. Well, but that's

(39:06):
not available to little Joey or orme if I want to play tennis or
whatever, so tell us more so, we have this perform Our performance center
is designed to provide services to essentiallyoptimize health, optimize health, fitness,
whatever you desire. And it's basedupon science and we have different services which

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I'll go into in just a second, but the services are designed to reduce
inflammation and improve all kinds of differentthings. For instance, if you look
at our red light service, wehave an infrared light bed and this is
based on science based from the nineteenhundreds. There's a gentleman by the name
of Nils Finson in nineteen o three. In nineteen o three, this gentleman,

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he's from Iceland, either Iceland orDenmark, but he won the Nobel
Peace Prize for using skin for usingred light on skin for skin tuberculosis and
he healed skin tuberculosis and for thathe was awarded the Nobel Prize. So
since the nineteen hundreds, we've knownabout the improvement of using red light to

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heal skin issues, and now we'veused we're using it to heal not only
skin but we're using it to healthe body. And the reason the way
we're able to do that is whenyou look at the waves, the waves
that you see in the visible colorspectrum, those are medium waves. On
each side of the medium waves,you have long waves and you have short

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waves. We know that the shortwaves are like UV light, microwaves and
those kinds of things. Those areharmful to the body when you're exposed to
them. More on the other sideof the spectrum, you have the longer
waves, and these longer waves canget into the body and stimulate healing,
and with into the body and stimulatestimulating healing reduces muscle pain, inflammation,

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and reduces we reduces inflammation, whichis the most important thing. It also
improves symptoms of fatigue. Now youadd that to also hyper bear chamber.
We have a hyper bear chamber whereyou're in a hyperbar chamber breathing one hundred
percent auction. Most people don't understandthat when you breathing room air, it's

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do you guys know what percent oxygenis room air? Take a guess twenty
one percent. Most people don't knowthat. So your doctor exactly, so
you're asking me, no, Iwas going to say nineteen, yeah,
nineteen, okay, okay, wellmost people, you guys are you guys
are better than the average bear.So most people would guess somewhere around fifty

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sixty eighty, And that's not true. It's twenty one percent. You nailed
it. So in a hyper bearchamber, you're breathing one hundred percent oxygen,
hundred per an oxygen. But whenyou're breathing one hundred percent oxygen,
you are totally comfortable, and youare watching your favorite Netflix show and you're
improving healing. You're getting the benefitsof what you receive with red light,

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but you're also getting the benefit ofhealing the brain. So you're now improving
brain function. And I'm going toadd to that, and it's it's under
pressure. So you're not in aoxygen tint. If you're in an oxygen
tint, you're basically just what TerrellOwens used to do this and Michael Jackson

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used to do this. You're justbreathing one hundred percent oxygen. You might
as well just be using a mask. But when you put it under pressure,
your ears pop. We actually everytime you go into the chamber,
we call it a dive, soit's under pressure. And the benefit there
is that not only do you fillup the oxygen carrying capacity of your red

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blood cells, but you now fillup oxygen in the plasma in the skin,
and so you now have oxygen inareas that would not normally be carrying
oxygen. Hence the term hyperbaric oxygenand a hyperbaric oxygen chamber medical grade.

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If you go to if you google, you'll see the ones for the military,
which are like three inches thick steeland they're multiperson and you shut it
a like a submarine door. Butthen there are like the ones we have,
which are still thick, but they'rethick of plexiglass. It's like two

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inch thick plexiglass, and you doshut it like a submarine door. But
it's the pressure component in addition tothe one hundred percent oxygen that makes it
work. That's right. And soyou have, just like you were about
to say, you have two typesof chambers. You have the monoply which
we have, and then you havethe multipod which I think you were alluding

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to. And the multipod is whereyou have multiple people in one chamber,
and those are good for people thathave burn wounds and those kinds of things.
Right, But I want the publicto be aware that not all chambers
are the same. You have chambersthat are the soft chill bags that are
available, and those are not real. So it's just not enough tension.
It's well, it's not because it'sabout forty percent. And that's what you

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that's about the what you would getwith on a mask. Gat you might
as well just be breathing a mask. That's right, and so interesting.
I'm gonna I'm gonna go to theNFL real quick. Yeah. So I've
always been intrigued by the games thatare played in Denver, which is a
mile high city, and you seeguys on the sideline with an oxygen mask.

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Does that really do anything? Becauseyour red cells are probably one hundred
percent saturated even in Denver, right, that's right. And it's because you
if you're not acclimated to that,you don't have the red cells too.
Oh, you don't have enough.You don't have enough, right, So
that's why that's why some people willtrain at that level. And then because

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their body acclimates, it raises theirhermatocrit, that's right, it raises their
hermaticrates, so your body naturally developsmore cells to have a higher carrying capacity.
So when you have a higher carryingcapacity, you can perform better.
Isn't that what got Lands Armstrong introuble? Bingo flag on Lance Armstrong?
So what was he taking? Hewas taking EPO, which which increases your

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hermatocrate and which means you carry moreoxygen. So the story all ties together,
It all ties together, all tiestogether. Jeez, Melt, you
only got a minute. You betterhurry because we have to go to break
because Tim Brown's coming back on.Okay, are coming on. So the
other thing we have coming on boardis cold plunge. So the cold plunge

(45:52):
is a way to reset our physiologicsystem as well. So if anybody knows
about cold plun just very similar tocryo therapy, but its whole body cryo
therapy, and it allows your bodyto reset itself and reducing inflammation and improving
a lot of different biomarkers. Wealso have supplements, and these supplements are

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helpful to your body as well intheir natural supplements. So most people take
fish oil, and you get thefish oil from Sam's or Walmart or whatever,
and then you end up burping itup and it's it's not good stuff.
So just people, please keep inmind when you're taking the fish oil
or any kind of supplement, youshouldn't be burping good food. Now,
what are you talking about. You'retalking about burping up on Saturday morning while

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I'm talking about natural stuff. So, by the way, the reason I
don't do fish oil is because ofwhat you just said. Okay, so
I my skin, my sweat smellslike fish, right, so you should
take our fish oil, which isnatural? Which is more natural? Does
it come from fish? Yes,it's natural. It's purified. It's purified
oil. I guess I need to. It's high in omega three, which

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is a natural antioxidant, which isgoing to be good for So doctor Manning
has he developed all this stuff forTexas sports medicine, by the way,
and and he lives it. Hewhat how many iron Men have you done?
For? So? Is that ironman or iron men? I guess
whenever iron man. So it's amarathon two point four miles, whim then

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one hundred and twenty mile bike,and then a marathon and you've done four
of those? Correct? Unbelievable beastunbelievable. All right, quick, a
little brain, it's this, it'sthis kind of stuff. It is the
kind of stuff well, and it'sthe stuff that you've you've done on Olympians
or you've learned from your Olympic experience, and now we're we're able to apply
it to everybody. Uh. Oneof the other things that I want to

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add and before we go on break, is that some of the supplements that
you get randomly online, you maytest positive for something that's right. So
you have to be very careful aboutwhat the content is of the supplements.
Right, you're taken and I vetall of these supplements. That was a
huge deal for us in college.I know we have to go to break,
but notion that we we had whenpre workout was a big thing.

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It's a lot of guys like totake pre workout, but it had to
be it had to be FDA andNCAA approved. Otherwise you, like I
said, you could just randomly popon a test for something performance performance enhancing.
And that's a big lap on thewrist, more more than even weed
or things like that. So allright, quick little break. When we
come back. Hall of Famer HusbandTrophy winner Tim Brown will be on the

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show. This is Inside Sports Medicine. T O sorry, I'll coming right
back. Welcome back, Welcome backto Inside Sports Medicine, too sorry.

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I'll here live in the studio,final segment of episode eight hundred and seventy.
And I could not be prouder ofthis moment right now because one of
my favorite football players of all time, one of my favorite people of all
time, Hall of Famer wide receiverfor the Raiders, number six pick overall

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in nineteen eighty eight, Heisman Trophywinner at my favorite school, Notre Dame,
nine Pro Bowls. Tim Brown ison the show. Good morning,
Tim, How are you, Bud? Good morning, my brother, how
are you? You know? Icould probably take the entire segment listing all
of your accomplishments. It's unbelievable andI could not be more grateful to have

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you on the show. Thank youvery much for being here and taking time
on a Saturday morning. So anythank for you, brother. I appreciate
you well, I appreciate it aswell. So here here's here's why you're
on today. Well, it's NFLCombines week and and I kind of want
to get the perspective of someone goingthrough it. So what was it like

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for you? Obviously you knew youwere going to be a top draft pick,
and what was it like for you? And then a little bit later,
what's it like for the team?What are they looking at? So
first of all, what was itlike for you to go through this?
Man? I'll tell you what,it was a very unique experience. And

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because you know, I had wonthe Heisman, I think I had a
really different experience maybe a lot ofthe other guys, you know, but
you know, it was a littleunnerving too, for you know, for
the reason of you know, you'rewalking around for the most time, most
of the time with shorts on,no shirt, no T shirt on,

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and they're like cattle prodding you tomove on to the next station, move
on to the next station, youknow what I mean. And so it
was a little bit like, mygod, what are we doing here?
You know? But look, man, it's a lot of pressure on the
players because for a lot of theseguys, it's going to determine where where

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they're drafted, you know what Imean, And for most of them,
for everybody, for the most point, but you know, you got to
select few and from my situation,The only question that people had about me
was my speed, you know,because people thought that, you know,
because at Notre Dame at that time, we were wearing the high top black
you know, hot top black acleats, and I guess it looked like

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I was very slow, you know, even though I was running past people
all the time. So you know, I actually went there. I did
a couple of tests, but Ijust ran the forty and I was like,
I'm done well. Once I rana four three forty, I basically
said, hey, guys, comesee me a Notre Dame if you want
to see me run routes and thingsof that nature. So wait, so

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you did you did both? Youhad a pro day as well? I
did. Yes, yes, yeah, we had a pro date. Steve
Berlin came back and threw for meand and it really was a great day
for him too, because he wasso great. I think he even though
he was with the Raiders at thetime, it put him on the radar
and he sort of credits that for, you know, him playing seventeen years

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in the NFL, because so manyteams got to see him, you know,
throw the ball that day. Sowe were talking earlier about Caleb Williams
projected to be number one and howhe opted out of participating. But he's
there, so I was mistaken.He is actually at the combines to answer

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questions and I guess go through interviewsfor someone like that. Can the combine
hurt you? I mean, canyou go there and maybe have a bad
day and instead of running a fourto three you run a four or five?
And can you drop because of that? Or is he bulletproof? Yeah?
No, I don't think he's bulletproofat all. And I think he's
doing a smart thing. And basicallywhat he's going to do is have a

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pro day and have everybody come outand now he gets to dictate what he
does and what he doesn't do,you know what I mean. So,
and you know, there are alot of tests and drills that you're doing
there that you can maybe associate withfootball, but mostly not. And it
doesn't make any sense for Caleb Williamsto be doing that. You know,
if he trips and follow on something, they're going to say, oh,

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well maybe he's not as athlete asathletic as we thought he was, you
know. So I think for himto go to bring everybody to him if
you're interested in drafting him. Youknow, maybe it won't be all thirty
two. Maybe it'll only be eighteenteams who really think they have a shot,
you know, And that way,you know, he can dictate the
environment a little better and do whathe wants to do. So, how

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far down is the list? Doesit go? Before you say no,
I got to participate? I mean, does it top ten? The top
ten guys do this? Yeah?Yeah, it's only top ten, it's
only top ten. I mean ifyou are, you know, a mid
mid first round guy and you're takingthat attitude, I think you're getting bad

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advice, really bad advice, becauseyou can slip from it's very easily slip
to slip from mid first round toearly second round, you know what I
mean. So, and if theythink you got an attitude problem or think
of yourself a little bit more highlythan you should, that could be problematic
for you. So, and youwent through the physical as well, I'm

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sure. Yeah. We did thephysical. Yeah, the physical, did
the forty to forty, the highthe high jump, not the high jump,
the vertical jump, and the broadjump. You know, I did
all that and ran the forty andthat was basically it. Did they have

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Did they have psychological testing as wellback then or is that something they did
they did? Yeah, whatever kindof test it was. You know,
they put you in a room withsome strange looking person. Did they did
the one direction? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, hey, you know,
let me let me say this thet O. That was my first real

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introduction to mister Gil Brandt. Youknow Cowboys. Yeah. Yeah, he
was a GM of the Cowboys atthat time, the player Personnel director or
whatever he was at that time.And he came to me and said,
hey, you're making a big mistakehere, young man. And I was
like, you know, mister Brandt, you know, hey, hey,
talk to Marvin dim Off. Youknow, he's my agent. And he

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knew Marvin very well. He waslike, I really I think you guys
should be you know. He waslike, you know, we're possibly looking
at you know, you know,drafting, you you know, if things,
you know, if if Michael youknow, it's not there, you
know. Uh. He was theone they had on their radar. And
he was like, if you gobefore Michael, then we'll we'll draft Michael
whatever. And I say, Iunderstand that, but you know, you

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gotta talk to Marvin dem Off.You know, so I basically just said,
hey, I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm my right now,
I'm being advised by this guy.So but it was pretty interesting conversation I
have with miss some brand. Obviously, you know who ended up being a
great friend. Obviously you did notmake a big mistake. I mean,
look at look at your career.You I think you pretty much hold every

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LA Raiders or l A. Uhwell, what do I even call him?
Now? What do you, Tim? What do you call him?
Just the Raiders? Just drop thecity, just hold every record. You
hold every record. So one ofmy I mean, yeah, go ahead.
I was gonna say, so,my assistant at Texas Sports Medicine,

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who I think you met. Lasttime you were around played there was alignment
at Notre Dame. And you knowhow I feel about Notre Dame. I
mean, you were my first introductionto that school by getting me tickets to
the Reggie Bush Push game. Iwas there. I was there for that
that game, and I've been I'vebeen a huge fan ever since. Anyway,

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Hunter's got a question for you.Yeah, Tim Hunter here just said
a quick question. So when you'regoing through the pro day. Are you
choosing the routes and how many yourun? So say you're not as comfortable
like running a sale route and haveyou got You're not I was comfortable planning
off your right and turning to theleft. Are you picking and choosing what
routes you're running? I mean Iwas supposed to out the combine. They're

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telling you what routes to run,so just curious, yeah, you know,
so yeah, I mean you literallyhave control of the day Hunter.
So I mean it's almost like aprogram that you get and hey, this
is what we're gonna do. We'regonna warm up doing this, and we're
gonna warm up and we're gonna dothis, and here are the routes that
we're gonna run. We're gonna runa slant route, you know, we're
gonna run across underneath crossing route.We're gonna run a deeper crossing route.

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We're gonna run some post routes,we gonna run some corner routes, and
we're gonna run some go routes.Right, And so of course you got
to break that up because I thinkwe had another my my teammate and know
Dave Reggie Ward I think he wasthere also, you know, just to
give me a break for the mostpart. But yeah, so yeah,

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you have total control of the day. And then that day and you say,
hey, is there anything else youwant to see? And I can
remember one guy stepped up and said, hey, can I see you do
a foot drill? Were you doingthis and doing you know? And we
we looked at him and he said, no, We're not gonna do that.
What does that have to do withfootball? What am I going to
ever be doing that drill on theyou know, doing that on the football

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field, you know what I mean. So, but yeah, but you
have total control of the day.Hall of Famer Heisman Trophy winner Tim Brown,
Hey, Tim Daniel wants to askyou a question as well. I'm
just around. Very nice to betalking with you. It's an honor.
So I am born in Chicago andobviously a Wears fan. We've got the

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number one overall pick. Tell mewho you're taking, tell me why,
and give me your thought process.If you're the GM and you're building a
franchise. Man, look, Iam a real big justin Phils fan.
You know, I really believe thatif he got the right quarterback coach,
head coach. If he had aKyle Shanahan right now, you know,

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this guy would be incredible, Ibelieve, And I just don't think he's
gotten the right coaching to be ableto, you know, push his career
to the next level. That beingsaid, I think they're going to trade
him, you know, I thinkthey're gonna trade him, and I think
they're going to do you know,they're gonna go for the fresh start with
Caleb Williams. And you know,you still to understand that, I mean,

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he's a you've seen Justin for youknow, three or four years now.
You know, he's been injured,he's been in and out whatever,
whatever hasn't you know, has beeninconsistent at Betts. I guess you can
say, you know, do youtake another shot at him, you know,
with the with the with the secondsecond contract, or do you start
sort of fresh. And I thinkthey're gonna choose the second option and go

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with Caleb. And again, youyou know, damn if you do,
Damn if you don't, for themost part, because you really don't know
what the second version of Justin isgoing to be, and you obviously don't
know how this rookie is going tocome in the league and uh and play
and being that he his senior yearas the last year in the NFL wasn't
I mean in college was not thatgreat. Uh, there's gonna be some

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questions about whether or not he canyou know, mentally hang in there when
things start to go bad, becauseit just didn't seem as if he was
you know, mentally wrong, youknow, when they were going through that
ruck pack. So but yeah,I think they're going to take Caleb and
and just you know, build aroundhim. I can't remember, what do
you what Caleb do against Snowed Dadthis year? Yeah? Exactly right,

(01:01:13):
Miss round, I have I havea quick follow up question for you.
Then they're taking Caleb Williams over allnumber one, number two? Do you
want to come out of retirement andrun some routes for us? Hey?
Man, I tell people I canstill a run, but I just can't
stop. So we need some receivers. We need some receivers. All goes,
all goes. Now, Look,it would be so great to be

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playing with these guys. Now.You know, we had a small version
of that with rich gannon Man,where I knew on certain routes when I
was going across the middle that ifthat linebacker took me along with the guy
who was covering me, Rich wasgoing to come right off my butt down
the middle of the field and buttthem for fifteen twenty yards. Man.
So uh so now having these guyswho are so great at running the ball

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also, I mean, it wouldhave been an incredible pleasure to play with
guys like they have today, forsure. You know, it's interesting that
you were very uh you were veryconfident on the Caleb Williams being number one
thing, fellow Heisman Trophy winner LSUquarterback. You didn't even hesitate. Do

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you think he might go number one? No? I just think there's been
a lot of connection with with Calebalready. And and really what Jalen,
Jalen sort of came out of nowhere, you know, I think, you
know, look, it only takesone year to win the Heisman, brother,
you know what I mean. Soif you have that, you have

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that year, you know you canyou can sneak up and win it.
And I think Caleb has shown himfor a couple of two or three years
now that you know he is amagnificent passer of the ball man, And
and pretty much an expert when itcomes to, you know, running an
offense. I just really think lastyear, man, it was just too

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heavy for him. It was toomuch going on. And you know,
just you know, heard his gamea little bit. But yeah, no,
man, I just think, youknow, I think Jalen's gonna go
top five for sure, but Ithink Chicago is going to be locked in
on jalb Caleb for me, Tim, doctor mel Manning, here quick question
for you in this day and agewhen we are trying to extend careers for

(01:03:29):
athletes you know that are just regularand elite or what have you. What
was your secret? Because that's along time question. You you played a
long time and you were healthy.What was your secret? Yeah? You
know, I played fifteen years afterI had a reconstructive knee surgery, and

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you know I listened to what youknow, my strength and conditioning guy told
me. You know, I wasnot a drinker of alcohol. I just
don't believe as a receiver you candrink alcohol on a regular basis and play
this game to a very high level. You know, we've had some guys
to try, but they they they'veall faltered at the end. You know,

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they didn't walk out the game theway they wanted to. You know,
I just think that you have totake care of your body, you
know. And one of the thingsthat I did, you know that it
was probably a little different. Youknow, I use other sports for training
sometimes. You know. I hada racquetball court, you know, I
had built this big house down theSodo. I built a racquetball court in

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there. Why. You know,well, if you ever played racquetball,
you understand the walls don't move rightand and if you're gonna you're gonna play
with somebody, and always play withsomebody who was better than me. So
they had me running around that dogon gym man changing directions back forward,
left and right, you know,whateverever. And it was an incredible thing

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for me because it build muscles thatthat I can build just going out running
routes and running on the football field. And so, you know, so
the Raiders allowed us to play basketball, you know, so I would play
basketball once in a while. SoI just think doing other sports will help
you with your training also, andyou know, it puts you in a

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better position to be able to getthrough those tough you know, the last
six seven games of the year whereit gets really tough. No matter how
much rest you get, your body'sgonna be sore and you're gonna be you're
gonna be tired. But you knowthat that's a part of it. But
you know, staying physically fit issomething totally different. And you know,
but I just think you got totake care of your body. Man.

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And anytime I see a receiver,you know, go down with a hamstring,
I know there are two things goingon. I'm I have to be
very careful about the second thing.I say. Here, he's drinking alcohol
and he's playing with the women toomuch. Tim, thank you so much
much, Thank you so much forThank you, Thank you sir much for

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being part of Inside Sports Medicine Hallof Famer. I just can't say enough
great things about Tim Brown. Whata great man. In fact, if
you have not read his book,The Making of a Man, you gotta
go get it. Get it onAmazon. Read it really quite moving.
Tim. Thank you so much.Enjoy your weekend. Thank you, brother,

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I appreciate you. Mass all right, all right, this I love
listening to that man. He's gotso much insight, so much experience.
Fifteen years in the league. Yeah, well racketball fifteen years in the league.
I love that he shared that insight. Yeah too. Out of tune,
So Inside Sports Medicine Episode eight hundredand seventy will be available on the

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podcast, probably later today, Ifnot, then it'll be tomorrow. Don't
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