Dr.TO 871

No Dr.TO today but Dr. Brad Ballard takes charge and we get a suprise call from Dr. TO visiting his daughter while surpising her for her birthday. Topics today we all about Dartmouth ivy league school wanting to be a union school and players having to work for the University. We dive into NBA injuries.

Episode Transcript

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with Doctor t O. Sorryl onninety seven to one a freak. Alright,

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alright, alright man, I couldjam to this all morning. Good
morning you guys. Welcome to InsideSports Medicine, your weekly current events sports
medicine radio talk show where the topicsare ripped right off of the sports desk.
This morning, we hope to entertainyou, inform you, and hopefully

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learn something new. And you're probablywondering who is this voice. This is
not doctor to sor Real. Thatis right. My name is doctor Brad
Ballard. I'm filling in for Teo. This weekend, and I'm rocking with
the killer Bees this morning, doctorBallard, myself, Doctor Bloomenthal, and
doctor Blaylock. Good morning, gentlemen, Good morning. That was very quick

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of you, the killer Bees.How like that? How long did it
take you to come up with that? So I was telling somebody in the
office that I was going to befilling in for Too, and I said,
you know, they said, wellwho's going to be there. I
was like, well, it's gonnabe me, Doctor bloominhal Doctor Blaylock.
They said, man, killer Bees. I was like, I'm stealing that
line. Mm hm. So we'rerocking with the Kilobes this morning. As

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always, we have a lot toget to. We're talking about some Dartmouth
unionized college basketball. There's been somescoring records that have happened over the last
week. We've got some medical stuffto get to. We got some weird
medical stuff that's happened. Oh yeah. And then if we have a little

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bit of time, we'll get intothe business of medicine, which sometimes Too
gets a little skirmish about. ButScott myself, we ain't scared nop.
Bring it on so real quick.Let me let me give them the number
So this is a call in show. We want to hear your comments and
questions. That number is two onefour seven eight seven nineteen seventy one.

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Again, that is two one fourseven eight seven nineteen seventy one. You
can call in or text in uhand we can hear what you got to
say. What's up Scotch? Andyou're right, there is no subject medical
related or maybe even not that wewill not tackle. We are not.
We're fearless, the fearless killer bees, including loomy butt crack deodorants and stuff

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like that. If you know we'rereferring to there's this new kind of series
of commercials on TV, middle agefemale doctor talking about odor reduction of various
parts of the body, not justunder your arms, this is various crevices
of the moon h And you know, a couple of weeks ago we talked

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about it. And my theory is, if you're eliminating all odors, you're
also eliminating eliminating the good odors,which are pheromones, which is what attracts
two humans together. So this couldbe signaling the end of human civilization as
we know it, because reproduction mightend if you get rid of all the
pheromones. If you get rid ofthe pheromones, yeah, look, maybe

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we'll figure out you get rid ofthe bad, get the good. There's
gonna be consequences to everything that youmay not be Maybe maybe they didn't anticipate
that be careful. It was likeyou know, when they introduced certain animal
species to islands, like when theWesterners brought like horses and dogs to Australia
and they killed. They didn't knowthe consequence, the consequences. So maybe

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maybe the down like you know,down spiral of this might end up being
some pheromone research. I don't know, we'll see. But anyway, let's
start off with this whole Dartmouth basketballunionized situation. So from from what I

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know about it, okay, isthat the Dartmouth basketball team, which Dartmouth,
if you don't know, is anIVY League school. Dartmouth, uh
so, all IVY League schools,I'll preface it with this, do not
have do not give scholarships. Theydo not get of athletic scholarships. Yeah,

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and they have against the school decidedto create a union for the basketball
team. And I find this reallyfunny because well I find it very interesting
because in the world of nil.We've talked about this before. That doesn't

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that really doesn't affect up the IVYleagues because now I've just been through this.
My oldest son just went through thewhole recruiting thing and had a lot
of experience with IVY leagues and thethe players that go to IVY leagues it
is D one. So they're goodplayers, but they're not power five,
five star, four star recruit.You won't get a whole lot of you

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know, first round draft picks fora second round draft picks kind of thing,
right, And like you said,there's no money, they're not going
to get nil money for the mostpart. There's there's no scholarships. There's
at least athletic scholarships, as youhave said, and a lot of the
players are using their athletic ability tootherwise further their academic career to get into

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an IVY League school, which thesedays is really really hard to do.
You need something extra, and athleticscan be that. So you are basically
begging to get into these schools.And then now this basketball team is no
longer begging to be in the school. It's like, no, we want

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something, we want to unionize andwhy are you not unionize? Is to
collectively bargain, But what are youbargaining for? Have you been able to
kind of dive a little deeper andno, no, no, what do
they want? I don't know.I'm not as familiar. I mean,
I don't know unions. I mean, we can't unionize as physician, so
I don't I don't know. Notin the United States, there are some

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unions of some of the residents ofin New York unionized recently. Really,
so yeah, I'm just not familiarwith it. Now. Apparently they're has
to be evidence of an employer employeerelationship in order to unionize, and there's
a and I forget what the organizationis called, but I guess they presented

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this possibility of being unionized to thisorganization, that the basketball team presented it
to this organization against the schools.You know, the school didn't want them
to do it, and they stillunionized. And the school and this organization
basically said, through our research,they do have an employer employee relationship that

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the that the basketball team is doingthings that are benefiting the school, and
the school is like asking them todo these things. And I was like,
man, that's I don't know,that seems like a stretch. But
we were talking about this before wegot on, like what is the benefit
of having a union. It soundslike it's to have a collective voice,

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to be able to bar you wantsomething that you're not getting, and what
is it? I mean, howis the university benefiting? They they charged
for basketball games, so I guessticket sales, right, So they're saying
they wanted The only thing I canthink is that they're saying they want to
cut us something now. So Imean I was thinking the same thing you

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were thinking, Like, they don'tThey're not getting any money, They're not
getting scholarship money. So but whatif this goes into D one power five?
What if they decide to what ifthey decide to unionize. I mean,
they're definitely I could I could see, yeah, I could see.
There's definitely money to be made thereand the school definitely benefits both from a

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national prominent standpoint merchandise, you know, But who is yes, I mean
if you're Duke basketball, which,by the way, have you heard about
the recruiting season for Duke basketball.They got the number one player from Europe.
Apparently they have a number one highschool. I mean they're stacking up.

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But that's sorry, that's a digression. But I could see Duke,
But who's buying Dartmouth swag besides youryounger brother and your parents. I mean,
I mean think about it. Imean, who's the only thing I
could think of is I'm a Done player and some D one players are

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getting paid. Maybe it's to createa pool of money so that not just
the Caitlin Clarks in the world getright nil, but the Caitlin Clark teammates
who otherwise wouldn't or Dartmouth doesn't asopposed to Duke, which I mean,
who knows. They also mentioned anarticle I read that they were bargaining for

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healthcare benefits so they her an onyou know, an on court injury,
and then they have an out ofpocket for their private insurance, which we
can tie in later in the show. So they want some compensation to help
with that so that they're not outof pocket for injuries they sustained while you
know, being a quote employee endquote of that. That's reasonable. Yeah,

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I mean, look, look,look, I hear you and someone's
making money on your talents, rightIvy League and uhh, I mean when
we should have your injuries covered onehundred percent, zero out of pocket,
I would think, but let's talkabout so as I was reading about this
and they were talking about because clearly, you know, basketball or a football

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team at a big D one programis going to get more nil than you
know, let's just say the fieldhockey team or or whatever. And this
becomes a difficult conversation because the realityis that at least the way the market
is set up right now, thevalue you is more and the eyes are

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watching more the football and the basketballthan anybody's watching field hockey. And I
can understand how everybody says, well, we want this to be equal,
but the reality is in terms oflike, well, we're all college athletes,
and we're all at the university,and we're all contributing. But but
at least the way the market isset up, I'm not saying that it's
fair, but the way the marketis set up, if you are a

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very very very talented football player,you have more value than a really good
field hockey player or a swimmer.That's just the way it's set up.
So to me, that's what themarket is. College school is getting in
als, it's a player, right, So so my question is, why
should the field hockey player who's reallygood get the same amount of money as

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the you know, why should theydisperse the funds? You know, I
have this one big pot and thefield hockey people get the same as the
football people. Oh, don't getme going here? Can I start?
We're talking about ye, Yeah,it's just a it's a decent question.
A text message from call it innineteen thirty one. Northwestern football tried to

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unionize last year, but was turneddown by the courts because they're kind of
trying to be an independent power fiveschool. Yeah, like Notre Dame BYU
Yukon. They're trying to be bythemselves. Yeah, so somebody has to
approve this whole union thing. Like. That's what I learned is that I
guess somehow Dartmouth got it. Wasa decision by the Approval Relations National Labor

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Relations Board. That's it. So, but Scott, I think I hit
on a nerve talking about society ingeneral. I mean, you're almost talking
about athletic equity. I just gota text from too talking about I want
to call in. That's what we'retalking about. We're talking about you know,

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everybody gets participation trophies kind of thing. Yeah, And look, don't
want to hurt you know, Sally'sfeelings because Johnny got a trophy and she
didn't. Yeah, you know,Johnny's team won and Sally's team didn't.
Yeah, but again the reality andI'm not saying that. And by the
way, I'm not trying to justtalk about field hockey here. I'm not
trying to you know, point outfeel high. I'm just using it as

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as an example. The market saysfield hockey is not something that they want
to watch or see. So it'sjust based on what the market considers to
be valuable. Do you see whatI mean. I'm not saying you didn't
put in great work. I'm notsaying that you're not worthy of some nil,
but but to put it all ina pot and then distribute it over

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all athletes, I don't know ifthat's equitable. I mean that maybe maybe
I'm ruffling some feathers. I don'tknow, But to me, it's just
a question participate you think it's equitable. There's a whole economic philosophy that is
exactly what you just described. Inhistory has proved that it just doesn't work.
Yeah, you mean socialism. Holdon, hold up, I got

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we got our first caller of themorning, so too, go ahead,
Good morning, guys. Can youhear me? First of all, what
are you doing? What are youdoing? Dude? Look, we're filling
in for you over here and you'recalling into your own show. Flag on
the play. So here's the reality. Okay, he doesn't care that you

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could put a flag on them,not at all. So here's the reality.
My wife and I flew to Atlantato surprise my daughter for her birthday
and we are here and we actuallydid surprise her for her birthday, but
she's still asleep. So I gotnothing to do. I don't even know

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how to I don't even know howto turn on the coffee pot. Is
it a curate espresso one? It'sthe it's the it's the the cooney the
it's the cloney deal. Yeah youaren't they? Yeah, I have a

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hot take though an espresso coffee isterrible. Yeah, doc, what you
got? So so I'm sitting herelistening to you guys, and by the
way, you sound good man.Thank you. The one thing this story
about, this story about Dartmouth unionizingwas was carried on the National news and
and I'm not talking to ESPN,I'm talking National News. And what what

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really got my attention was they interviewedone of the players for the piece and
what he was saying, Uh,he said all the pay stuff like you
guys have talked about, which youknow that that that's kind of beyond the
scope of this particular show. Buthe did say that would they get injured,

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they're on their own. And Ireally found that amazing that a major
university like that does not cover theirinsurance. And that is probably reason enough,
yeah, to unionize. I can'timagine a program where you play the

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sport you you you risk injury,they sell tickets and you still have to
cover your own I found that.That's why I put that on the list
to talk about today. At thevery least, even if they don't offer
scholarships an IVY league, they haveto cover their injury. Yeah, no,
that's a good point. What dopowerfied schools do well, what we've

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seen at least is that they havea you guys treat yeah college athletes from
wherever. Yeah, there's a there'sa primary insurance and doc. You can
talk about this and correct me ifI miss, and you can fill in
any gaps. But they typically havea primary insurance that they're covered under,
and then they have a secondary insuranceif they had an like if they had

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if they already have Blue Cross,Blue Shield or something from their parents.
But they're they're typically covered. AmI wrong, Doc, No, you're
you're absolutely correct, So so whatAnd even even the high schools, even
the local high school, yeah,in the Dallasport Worth area have this,
So there there are there are severaldifferent varieties. But the bottom line,

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no matter what variety it is,you're covered, mom and dad is covered.
You know you're not going to playfor the University of Georgia and blow
out a knee and have to worryabout who's going to pay for it.
Yeah, yeah, all right,that that really surprised me. But go
ahead, and I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, no
no. We're coming up on ourfirst break, So Doc, if you

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want to stay on, obviously sinceyou're waiting to surprise your daughter, no
more than welcome. But again,guys, to call in number is two
one, four seven eight, nineteenseventy one. We'll be back in here
in just a little bit, Soman, I've got a cool Earth Winding

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Fire story. First of all,we were just talking to dot t O,
sorry, Allen, and I reallybecame a fan because of the show.
Years ago. We would listen toearth Wind and Fire and it was
it was I was familiar with earthWind and Fire because I remember my parents
listening to it. I was like, you know, you used to jam
out. But he told me bythe concert that he went to where they

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were all these headliners. It waslike Chicago, the Eagles, you know,
all of these you know, bigtime headliners at a concert and earth
Wind and Fire was on there andthey apparently stole the show. And I
was like, you know what,that's a bucket list for me. I
want to see earth Wind and Fire. Well I've seen them now live twice
and the first time we went itwas my wife and I. My daughter

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has become an Earth Winding firefan.She's fourteen years old, and she was
like really upset that she was notgoing to go to this concert. So
we drive up to Oklahoma at Chalktawand I mean We've got seat set at
probably like fifteen, you know,fifteen rows from the front, and earth
Wind and Fire puts on her production. I mean it seems like it's like

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eighty five guys on the stage.Dude, they're all playing different stuff.
Everybody's singing. I mean, itis an absolute production. And I facetimed
my daughter at Boo Wonderland, whichis the song that we were just listening
to, and she's watching it onher phone and we're watching her dance literally

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like a maniac in the room,and all the people behind us can see
her dancing like a maniac too.Boogie Wonderland at the time. So when
I hear this song, it makesme thinking about that. But anyway,
first time I saw him, Iwas maybe college. They were playing in
an old forum in La. Yeah. Yeah, it's growing up. And

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what impressed me about that, andthis is seventies eighties is and I don't
know if they still do this inthe concerts. Is they never the music
never stops, right, So likeone or two people take a break,
but the other twelve are still playing. And so it's one song goes straight
into another, and there's no like, hey, La, how you do

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there's no talking, not at all. There's straight music for two hours two
hours plus. That's right. It'sjust a continuous song. One song blends
to the other. And then Igot a chance to see them at the
AA Center last year. Ironically enough, both times were end September, and
so when they sang the song September, which I'm sure we'll get to at
some point, you know, everybodywent nuts. But Lionel Richie was the

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other performance there. Dude, LionelRichie is seventy four and is performing like
he's twenty four. I mean,sweating on the stage, going back wardrobe
change back in like less than aminute, engaging the crowd. And I
got absolute respect for this. I'mlike, dude, there's seventy four and
putting in work. We were talkingabout work Ryan off camera. We were

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talking about what defines work. I'mlike, this dude is putting in work.
It was extraordinary anyway. I mean, the last time I saw him
was at Dosaki's Pavilion, like twentytwenty one, Lionel No Wind and Fire
yeaheah, because that was like myfirst time was like twenty eighteen maybe yeah,
whenever our first saw them, fellin love with them, and then
they come back every other year.Yes, wow, And that's that's music

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that spans all generations. I mean, do my daughters, you know,
fourteen and loves them. My kidsknow when September come on, like the
whole car is bouncing, you knowwhat I mean. Anyway, all right,
Well, we were talking about theDartmouth unionized situation. That really kind
of turned into an insurance conversation becauseit sounds like one of the major reasons

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why they're starting to unionize is becausethey have a lack of coverage from you
know, injuries in essence and so, which it's hard to believe, believe,
really hard to believe. Number one, if I mean these kids parents

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paying close to one hundred grand ayear to go to an ivy league.
If you pay that, you probablyhave insurance on your kids. Yeah,
and your out of pocket is kindof like what you've been used to because
that's just regular insurance. And Iwould imagine that if you have a scholarship
based on need and you're playing sports, I can't imagine they have you uncovered

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if you're if you come from afamily that doesn't have Yeah, but I
don't think that's the situation. It'sthe fact that the school doesn't have primary
coverage, so now it's on themto it rests on them and there their
primary insurance that they brought before theyeven came to the school. But what
if they What if you come froma family that does that doesn't have insurance,
can't afford insurance, but you stillget into the school, right are

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you? Are you uninsured as anathlete? That's what it seems like that
I find that hard to believe thatthat I know, like some of the
local high schools like to play sports, you have to buy a policy through
the school. It's like basically acatastrophic policy that you know, so you
carry some type of insurance before they'llallow you to participate in and in sports.

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So my guess is if it's kindof like they don't it's not like
the primary. But if a studentlike that comes without it, I would
assume they probably have some avenue forthem to subsequently purchase a policy. And
I don't know if it's out ofpocket for the athlete or if the school
subsidizes it covers it. Let doessegue into what you what you brought up

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earlier, We'll we'll toss it tobrad. That's right. So in the
spirit of the business of medicine,and I don't know if since we've been
on the freak, if we havereally breached a dedicated you know, time
frame, a dedicated segment to thebusiness of medicine. I enjoy talking about

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it because it allows us the opportunityto educate you, the listener on how
things on, peeling the curtain backon how on how business in healthcare works,
the good, the bad, andthe ugly. And the question that
I'm posing today to to the killerbees right is let's talk about insurance.

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Is it a benefit or is ita burden? And the reason why I'm
bringing this up is because of this. We had a patient who needed an
MRI, okay, and they hadinsurance. They were insured by one of
the you know big, you know, big private insurance companies, and when

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they saw how much they were gonnahave to pay despite the fact that they
have insurance, they figured out thatthey could pay far less money for the
MRI if they didn't have insurance.Well, and also think about this,
So what's the app on your phone? GoodRx? Yeah, so many times

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you can buy a prescription medicine throughGoodRx, that's right, which is less
than say you haven't hit your deductibleyet on your insurance. Oh for Blue
Cross that prescriptions two hundred dollars amonth. Oh good, our AX is
fifty dollars a month. That's right. And so you never even use your
insurance right to So I think youbring up a very valid point about it

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Is it worth it? Is it? That's the questions guy, I mean,
is it worth it? You havethis insurance card in your pocket,
and most of us would like tothink that this insurance card is a benefit.
This is what people This is howpeople make decisions on whether they're going
to be but they're going to takea certain job. Is the benefits?
You know? What does the insurancebenefits look like? But the question is,

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and you don't even know. Andyou don't know. So you take
a job and say, oh yeah, we've got that. Now we've got
benefits. Right, And then youneed an MRI or MRI or and your
doctor says, I'm ordering an MRI. Anda says no, you have to
do six weeks of physical therapy beforeyou can have an MRI. And it's
like, my kniece is walling up. I can't I'm locked, I can't

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do anything now. But this iswhat our protocol is. That's right,
And if you didn't have insurance,you just go out and buy an MRI.
So now an MRI scam. Yeahyeah, So now we're talking about
delay of medical care or delay oftreatment or diagnosis and rational and potentially paying
more money because you've got this quoteunquote benefit card in your pocket. Ryan,

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what do you think, Well,the thing that really gets me is
these insurance companies know that a lotof physicians and a lot of patients won't
fight to go ahead, like yourknee popped, it's swollen. Oh,
you need to do therapy before youget your MRI. We all know that
doesn't make any sense. But theinsurance company also knows that if they make

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it so difficult for you to getit, they some of the people just
won't go through it and will waitthe six weeks and may just go away.
So they put in these roadblocks likesix weeks of therapy, or what
we call a peer to peer iswhere the insurance company employees healthcare providers,
sometimes doctors, sometimes other types ofhealth care providers that we have to then

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spend thirty minutes to an hour onthirty minutes of the hour on the phone
on arguing with to get the MRIapproved sometimes you see, sometimes you don't,
but it takes time and it's anotherroadblock to getting that. And the
insurance companies know that that will preventyou from sometimes getting them or I and
I'm sure they've done the financial calculationto know that it's worth it to pay

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these health care providers to put upthis roadblock. Well, I think what
some people don't recognize and is TOCIlong okay, because I know he wants
to jump in. I can feelhis energy trying to jump up in this
conversation. I can just feel it, So hold on one second. Dot.
But one of the things I wouldsay is, you know, I
think people don't reckonize this. Sometimesit's going to be more expensive to have

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that, to have the insurance cardbecause between the premiums being paid every month
and then the MRI and you stillhaven't met the deductible, So you got
to pay this extraordinary amount of moneyto get an MRI, when oftentimes if
you didn't have the insurance card,it's going to be much less for you
and probably quicker for you to beable to get a diagnosis and treatment.
Okay, doc, what you got? You know, I'm a little pissed

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that we're talking about the business ofmedicine when I'm not there, because you
know, you know how uncomfortable thismakes me feel. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, but you're absolutely right,this is a necessary evil. For the
first twenty three years of this showbeing on the air, we actually had
a segment called the Business of Medicineand it's it's unnecessary, it's unfortunately a

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necessary evil, so that you guysunderstand and how this works. So from
a background standpoint, and I wasthinking about this as you were talking,
Brad. And by the way,Ryan, you sound really good. Oh,
thank you, thank you, youdo. So the term the term
benefits and so I kind of dida deep dive into insurance a few years

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ago just because I was trying tofigure out exactly where all this came from.
So insurance first got started with Lloyd'sof London and they were ensuring,
uh, transporting trans Atlantic shipments.And what they decided to do Lloyds of
London basically was trying to raise moneyand they came up with this idea that

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we are going to cover whatever theships that were going from Europe to the
Americas in case they had any stormsor losses or whatever, and all of
these ships pay premiums and if theylose their contents, then we'll come in

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and cover that amount. That's howinsurance was developed. And what they did
with that money They made a lotof money. They bought up pretty much
all of London with that money,and then fast forward, it then became
health insurance and life insurance and carinsurance. And so the insurance game is

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not that old in the big schemeof things. It probably goes back one
hundred years. And so back inthe beginnings of the Industrial Revolution, eyee
employers were having a hard time retaininggood employees and you know, you can
only pay them so much. Andthat's when the term benefits came around.

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Okay, well, if you comework for General Electric, not only are
we going to pay you two dollarsan hour, but we're also going to
provide you with healthcare insurance. Well, guess what one hundred years ago,
healthcare insurance was two dollars because healthcarewas not very expensive. It just wasn't
very expensive back then. Hey,we didn't even have antibotics back then,

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so it was quote unquote a benefitthat didn't cost the employer a lot of
money. Okay, fast forward,So in the seventies, eighties, and
nineties, medicine exploded. We hadMRI machines which cost a million and a
half dollars. We had heart transplantswhich cost a million dollars each time somebody
needed a heart transplant. So medicinebecame expensive and the premiums went up.

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So then the insurance companies were comingback to General Electric and saying, hey,
two dollars ain't going to cuboard anymore. It's now going to be two
hundred dollars. Well, when thatcame around, then they decided, the
employers decided, who we can't keepWe can't keep paying this benefit. So

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now the employees are going to haveto chip in on this. And the
insurance carrier said, well, nowyou're going to have a deductible and now
you're going to have a copay.The bottom line is healthcare is expensive.
It's just expensive. And for allof us out there who wear two hats.

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For example, I'm responsible for Texassports medicine, but I'm also a
patient. So for those of uswho wear two hats, wrap your head
around. This is really expensive andpart of the problem. And I'm not
going to lay all the blame onthe insurance carriers. I mean, they
are a business and they're trying tomake money. In some cases they make
obscene amounts of money. But atthe end of the day, you kind

(33:44):
of have to blame the General Electricsbecause they're saying, wait a second,
we're not paying more than one hundredbucks per employee for the healthcare and so
where's that money going to come from. Well, the money's going to come
from the roadblocks that you guys weretalking about. Okay, so you do
have insurance, but we're not goingto cover this, and we're not going
to cover that, and this particulardrug is too expensive, so you're gonna

(34:06):
have to use this drug. Youhave to understand where these roadblocks came from.
The roadblocks came from. They wantto make money. Ge wants to
make money. And the person thatloses is the is the person who's insured,
right right, The insured person isthe person who really doesn't win.
So what and by the way,the United States is not the only country

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that's struggling with us. This isthis is a universal problem. The European
countries are a bit ahead of us, by the way, So they kind
of have a two tiered system wherewe have national health care, which by
the way, I am not promoting. We have national health care that will
cover all the basics, but youmay have to wait in line for an

(34:52):
MRI, you may have to usethis particular drug instead of this particular drug,
or if you have the funds,you can just go pay for that
drug, or you can just gopay for this MRI. Scott knows way
more about this than I do becausehe travels the world on a weekly basis.

(35:12):
But there is a two tiered system. And Brad, what you were
discussing earlier is the reality in thebeginnings of this two tiered system, which
is ATNA is going to put uproadblocks for the MRI, so you're just
going to go pay for it yourself. That's the beginning of how this works
too. All right, you guys, he's still key, he's still ready

(35:36):
to go. We've got to takea break again. The number we want
to hear from you comments and questionsis two one, four, seven,
eight seven, nineteen seventy one.Inside Sports Medicine will be back on the
freaking just second, all right,you guys, Inside Sports Medicine this morning

(36:06):
filling in for doctor TiO Sorreale.I'm doctor Brad Ballard again. We got
the killer bees this morning, DoctorScott Blumenthal, Doctor Ryan Blaylock. We
were just talking about this, uhinsurance question. Is it a benefit or
is it a burden? To kindof close the loop on this conversation.

(36:30):
You know, it's it's not it'snot perfect. You know, it's a
but I think what we want todo is really kind of educate you on
on what that thing is that youdo have in your pocket we just call
an insurance card, and that sometimesit may not be the benefit that you
that you think. Sometimes it maybe a burden. But we also want

(36:51):
to educate you in terms of theremay there may be just some other options,
some alternative options for you, Likewe talked about before, sometimes it
it may be more expensive for youif you have an insurance card. However,
I believe everybody who's listening would probablybe surprised at the cost of some

(37:15):
of the things that may be prettyexpensive or denied by your insurance, whether
it's a diagnostic study like an MRI, or even treatment injections even up to
surgeries, what that would be Ithink you'd be surprised at what the what
the cost of that would be withoutyour insurance. So I encourage you to

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if you hit a roadblock like wetalked about before, where you're gonna have
to it's like, really like it'sgonna cost this much for the for the
for the MRI, or it's gonnacost this much for the injection or the
surgery, it may be worth aquestion saying, hey, what what what
would this be? What would thecost be for me if insurance wasn't used,

(38:05):
And I think you'd be I thinkyou'd be pleasantly surprised. Scott looks
like you want to looks like youwant to say something. No, I've
got another indication that the world iscoming to an end, besides the the
besides besides the abolition of pheromones.You know, like we all do it
the commercials. We check our phonesand uh, there's this I got this

(38:28):
email from med centrals. It's like, uh, you know, Medicines for
Doctors Special Report on the Language ofMedicine micro Aggressions in the Workplace. When
doctors experience microaggressions from patients and colleagues, the impact can be harmful to their
career and health. Really like wewe as physicians, have become such snowflakes

(38:53):
that we can't handle. I meanthat was that was training. You're orthopedic,
sirt if he went through orthopedic residency, there's no microaggressions. That's macro
aggression. There was nothing micro sayingwords about like if you made a mistake
when you were a resident, Likeit was extremely clear that it was aggression.
Yeah, I mean it was purposefullytaken too far. The fact the

(39:16):
fact that this is on my phonetoo far means that someone someone is actually
subscribing to these sessions where you know, I'm having some stress at work because
you know my patients served to usingthe wrong language. It means it's really
talks about like how language I mean, I don't know. Well, yeah,

(39:43):
that was a sharp turn. Docwhenever he's on the show caused the
derailing, I'll call it a sharpturn, right, say what does it
finally end that up? Like Iliterally had one friend in residency who the
attending was so frustrated with them hejust picked him up and put them in
a trash can. In ther weroutinely used to We all got stories that
don't put the training of medicine inthe best light. Would consider that when

(40:06):
you consider that the residency system wasto developed by a guy who literally had
a cocaine addiction at one hundred yearsago. I know that explain some of
the some of the behavior of ourhopkins, Like the guy was a coke
addict and thought, you know,that's how everybody else should work. And

(40:28):
well here we are one hundred yearslater. Well, let's let's talk about
let's talk about some actual sports medicine. So we'll save that for a future.
We'll save that medicine and microaggression inthe world that if you know,
you don't want to didvertently insult someonewith your language. Okay, so let's

(40:49):
talk about some of these injuries.Uh, doctor Blumenthal, you are a
spine surgeon. We've talked about thisBen Simmons case, but for to give
everybody some context, Ben Simmons isa basketball player NBA basketball player. I
think at one point was probably asuperstar. Now, I mean, he's
just had a whole lot of injuriesand maybe even some mental and kind of

(41:13):
off the court stuff that kind ofput a damper on his career. But
he had surgery last year, whichI believe was maybe a microdiskeectomy. I
don't think it was fully disclosed,but to kind of take some pressure off
a nerve. He came back andnow they're saying that he's out for the
season with a quote unquote nerve pain, nerve pain, nerve pain. So

(41:37):
kind of break that down, Scott, But what are your thoughts on that
and what can we learn from it? So in my field, which is
spine and pain, pain is asubjective experience of life and some people and
you can't mean we try to quantifypain. Is it give me a scale

(41:59):
for one to ten? But what'san eight to you might be afford to
someone else. And the degree towhich pain inhibits performance can be physical and
it can be psychological. Some popwe all treated athletes, that's like,
oh yeah, every little tweak andhe's out. Statistically, if he's having

(42:21):
recurrent nerve pain, leg pain,the most common would be a recurrent discarnation
when he had served before last year. Second common probably scar tissue. Third
common would be another disc problem atanother level, which you know is kind
of lightning striking twice you think.On the other hand, is we've talked

(42:45):
about previous shows there's a lot moretwo of genetics that we don't understand,
and that why do people you know, quote unquote I have a bad back,
and my dad had a bad backand his dad had a bad I
mean, there is a component ofgenetics that were beginning to research and understand
and and some people may just haveweak discs. Who knows, but you

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know, like you said, withthis particular athlete, it's probably multi factorial.
But to say just nerve pain ispretty vague. I try to google
it and see if there was amore specific diagnosis, if it was gonna
need surgery, that kind of stuff, and very vague except for out for
the season. And there's really onlywhat five weeks left? But was he

(43:30):
what's what team's young? Is hestill on the nets? Is Ben Simmons
still on the nets? Yes?Correct, and he's out and definitely for
the season. Where the season?Are they a playoff? They're okay?
But Scott, let me let mejust get your overall thought when you when
you hear Ben Simmons out again nervepain, what's your thought? I mean?

(43:51):
Is he is is he worth?I mean, like, what's what's
his worth? At this point?With all that and then are you thinking,
like, man, he's just arecurrent bat guy that's just going to
be like this isn't gonna end.What's your general overall thought when you hear
Ben Simmons, I'll tell you whatmine is when you're done. But mine
is And obviously he used to dothis when I when we worked with the

(44:13):
Mavericks. Is when the team says, should I resign this guy? You
know, the history is going torepeat itself. And if someone you know
is going to say I'm out becauseof you know, a little nerve pain
or a lot of nerve pain,we don't know, I'm not. I
don't treat this guy. That historywill definitely repeat itself. It doesn't sound
like this is a you know,one disc surgery and you're done and you

(44:37):
never have a problem for the restof your career. Like Frankly, most
athletes if do great with micro diskeectomyif they have them in their twenties.
Yeah. Well, I mean wetalked about this with JJ Watt when JJ
Watt had the disgust to me andyou know, it kind of and I
don't know, maybe we can,you know, go back, but I
feel like it was kind of thebeginning of the decline. You know what

(44:57):
I'm saying. They can probably stillplay a high level to a certain degree,
but that's also indicated I think hewas twice yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean and obviously different pressures beingput on the spine, different you
know, different type of athlete,different sport. But when I had been
Simmons and I hear you know,he's out again, he's had the mental
stuff. I think some of thisis I think some of the mental component

(45:21):
kind of plays into this, andI just I'm like, man, I
don't know. I think it's juststarted. Ever since he got he didn't
want to play for Philly. Yeah, it's ever when he was drafted to
Philly, awesome, his first fouryears, played like a superstar, played
like a first round drive pick.He played to what he was supposed to
be. Yeah, and then ashe started to realize seventy six ers don't
want him. It's ever since Gameseven against Atlanta in the what was the

(45:47):
Eastern Conference Finals, where he wasn'the had wide open shots. It was
like a straight lay up over TreyYoung. He is he is a lot
taller than Tray Young. Yeah,and instead of just taking the easy layup,
throw it out to someone and thenthey ultimately missed a shot and what

(46:07):
are you doing? All this hateback and then gets traded to Brooklyn doesn't
want to play injuries. Injuries.I at this point, I think he
should just kind of slowly taper outof the game, and you're worry more
about his health. I think that'sprobably gonna happen, whether he wants that
to happen or not. Aren't youguys. We're gonna we're gonna come back

(46:28):
here we whenever we come back,we're going to talk about Russell westbrook.
Uh. He is out for thenext several weeks. Sounds like he'll probably
be ready for the playoffs with ahand injury. Doctor Blaylock is a hand
surgeon and will break down what wethink could potentially be some of what his

(46:49):
injury is and what treatments could be. Again, we want to hear from
you your thoughts and comments. Thenumber is two one, four, seven,
eight seven, nineteen seventy one.Again, this is Insize or Medicine.
Will be right back on the freeall right, welcome back Inside Sports

(47:24):
Medicine coming in for the landing.Last twenty twenty five minutes of the show
again filling in for doctor TiO soReale. This is doctor Brad Ballard rocking
with the other beads today, whichis doctor Scott Blumenthal, doctor Ryan Blaylock.

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Before we left, we teased thatwe're going to talk about some hand
injury stuff. Russell Westbrook professional basketballplayer, plays for the l A Clippers,
who as opposed to Ben Simmons andthe Nets. These guys are contenders
in the West to compete at ahigh level. And the playoffs is upcoming

(48:10):
playoffs. What's that kind of Clippers? Do you mean the paper clips?
What do you mean? I grewup. I grew up in l A.
I cannot take and the Clippers aregood. They're good, but they've
been good the last few seasons andthe playoffs come and oh, yeah,
you fall like paper That's a wholenother. That's a whole nother. I

(48:32):
laugh. You know, you're you'rea Lakers guy. If you're going to
be you're a Lakers versus Yeah,I'm a Lakers guy. I grew up
with watching Jerry West and Elgin Belgium. Yeah, pat Riley was on like
that. Pat Riley was on theLakers. They used to make fun of
because he wasn't. He was like, not very good. Yeah, if
you want to see something cool onShowtime No. On HBO, there's a

(48:55):
show called the Showtime Lakers. Ithink that's that's pretty good. It's a
dramatization of what happened back in theday when the magic. Anyway, to
get back on the topic, SoRussell Westbrook, I believe it was just
a few days ago, was tryingto poke out a ball, trying to
steal a ball and injured his handand sounds like he's going to be out

(49:19):
for the next few weeks, buthe's going to require surgery. So doctor
Blaylock, you and I were talkingabout this before we got on Ryan,
what do you think of some thingsthat it could have been? And I
think we can kind of tease.I know in the past, Jason Terry
here for the Mavericks had a fractureof a hand that we end up doing
surgery on. But what were yourthoughts when you heard about this? Because

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they don't disclose what the diagnosis is, we kind of can just see some
videos and what are your thoughts.So you know, I've watched the video
a couple of slow mos of it, and he's like reaching around with his
left hand and it looks like hehits the tip of the ball. It
doesn't look particularly high energy, butit's so hard to say. You know,
one thing that comes in to ourthoughts as a mallet finger, which

(50:02):
is a it's actually more of atendon injury. So there's tendons kind of
simplify it. Tendons on the topof the finger, tendons on the bottom
of the finger. Tends in onthe top, pull it up, extend
them, tends on the bottom,pull them down, flex them. Well,
if your finger is extended and itgets hit on something hit on the
tip, must say, like abasketball, you can tear that tendon on

(50:22):
the top, particularly the piece ofit that attaches to the tip of the
finger, and you get a problemwhere you can't extend the tip of your
finger, as if a mallet ora hammer had hit the tip of your
finger and pushed it down. Huhis that? What's that where it came
from? That's my understanding. Yeah, Like you know, you literally malleted
it specialists, you should know.I mean, I guess I could be

(50:44):
wrong on that, but I'm Ifeel like somebody in my past one of
my mentors explained it that way.So a mallet finger is a tendon injury,
right like, So the tendon itself, which is like a rope,
can tear and the rope can fray. Or the tendon which which is like
I said, like a rope,Say it's attached to something, it can
pull off whatever it's attached to,in this case a piece of bone,

(51:06):
and you can actually have a fractureof part of the end of the finger
and it results in the same injuryproblem, i e. Not Being able
to extend it. You know,I guess it could have been that surgery
is not always required for mallet fingers. There's things you can do. You
can you know, put basically aninternal splint in the finger a pin and

(51:28):
you could theoretically play with that withsome associated risks. The other thing you
would think would be kind of likethe Mavericks player you mentioned, yeh,
a metacarpal fracture. So the fingeras he reached in for the ball could
have become twisted and caused a fractureof the metacarpal. The metacarpals are the
bones that lay between your fingers andyour wrist, so to speak. Kind
of like the long bones of thehand, the long bones of the hand,

(51:51):
yeah, the kind of like thethigh bone of the hand, if
yeah, yeah, And you know, fractures of those with surgical stabilization,
whether it be a long screw ora plate. I mean, you know,
doctor Sorel when he had called in, he'd mentioned, you know,
they got the Mavericks player back inabout three weeks. And really I think

(52:12):
the take home message is bone healingis not step wise. Bone healing is
a slow slope, and as timegoes on, the bone heals more and
more and more. And as physicians, along with the patient input, we
make an in we make a judgmentcall of when there's enough healing to tolerate
what we want to do with thehens activity. So a bone is not

(52:37):
healed in three weeks, we mostof us would say a bone heels in
six to twelve. But that bonewill continue to remodel and continue to heal
for probably up to a year beforeit reaches its maximal strength. So together
with the patient, you know,and whatever they want to do, we're
making a judgment call about when isthere enough healing, enough welding of that
fracture together to go back to theirsport. And you know, if you're

(53:00):
being very aggressive, I mean,three weeks is on the very low end.
But if you're in the playoffs andyou go and the patients on board,
they understand they could break through whatlittle bit of healing has had.
Yeah. Maybe, but it's itall becomes a discussion of what we're trying
to get to, what we needthe hand to do or the phone to

(53:21):
do, the risk versus reward equationsthat we talk about all the time.
So help me and help the listenersunderstand, because the two options, I
guess would be can we non surgicallymanage this versus surgery? And it sounds
to me like in say, likeyou know, if it's a fracture of

(53:45):
the metacarpal like you're talking about,to try and treat this non surgically with
casting and just immobilizing them would takelonger to be able to to get them
back because there's not enough of somethingstabilizing that fracture. Is that right?

(54:07):
Yeah? So I mean, soto get back faster, would it be
better to do the surgery for thereward of playoffs coming up and being able
to get back? And like yousaid, three weeks might be early,
but that three weeks would it bereally unlikely if it wasn't surgical. You

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know what I mean? You know, if you had a displace metacarpoal fracture
going back in three weeks without sometype of accessory internal stabilization I screw,
plate and screws, yeah, probablynot gonna work. It's just not gonna
be stable enough. Patients asked meall the time, will it heal quicker
with surgery? And the answer isno, the bone will not heal quicker

(54:49):
with surgery. But you can makeit more stable sooner if you add the
stability of a plate or screw howeveryou want to do it. But it
doesn't as csarily mean that the bonehas welded together sooner. But to get
that stabilization with you know, aplate and screws on the inside, you
do have to incur the risk ofgoing to the operating room and the risk
of antethesia, which are not trivialand absolutely should be discussed by your physician

(55:15):
before you make the decision to optfor surgical treatment. And to your point,
it's a risk versus benefit decision,right, And if you're a million
dollar basketball player a million dollar you'rea basketball player in the playoffs, maybe
the benefit is there. Yeah,if you're a you know, high school
athlete who's fourteen, and you know, the beginning of the season, the
beginning of the season, like stayingout of the operating room if at all

(55:37):
possible, is never a bad idea. So it sounds like what you're saying
is, listen, bone takes acertain amount of time to heal period,
period. But surgery allows to,for lack of better terms, keep the
bones still enough to be able tocontinue to heal and decreases the risk of
those bones becoming a part so thatthey don't heal as well as they would

(55:59):
if they were immobilizing. And that'swhat we say, we say stabilization.
Ye would that be fair to say? That's fair to say. And then
also but it keeps him stable inthe correct position, the correct right,
right right, Like a bone,a bone will heal in three months.
But if it's it's crooked, it'sgonna heal. Just just buddy, tap
it and get back in there.This way. Playoffs, right, come

(56:20):
on? So in a playoff scenario, how fast how fast can you come
back to play from say the surgerywhere you stabilize a metacarpal let's say,
let's say a transverse fifth metacarpal fracturein a healthy individual. You put a
screw down the shaft, which isa fairly minimal procedure. I mean,

(56:43):
you could probably come back at threeweeks as long as everybody was on the
same page that if it got brokenor re injured. You know, that
has been fully disclosed to the patientand discussed. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And this is again the risk versusreward equation, And it's a conversation
with the athlete. You know,I had a patient recently, bad ankle

(57:04):
spring senior year. They've got playoffscoming up, and you know, we're
at you know, three and ahalf weeks. She's like seventy percent,
which on an ankle is pretty forgivable. But you know, the conversation with
the parents and the player is there'srisk you may you know, roll this

(57:27):
ankle again, it may re injure, it may be worse than that.
You know, is it worth youincurring this risk for the reward of you
playing your senior year in a playoffgame? You know, And so they
said yes, But it's a conversationand it's an understanding there's risks, so
that everybody's on the same page.Absolutely, And if you know you're a
high school athlete and this is yourticket to college and it's not going to

(57:51):
happen otherwise, you know, maybethe risk is worth it. And but
that's that's a collaborative decision that hasto be made with the patient, the
physician, and the parents, assumingthe patient is under eighteen. Okay,
as we wrap up, we talkedabout this a couple of weeks ago.
Scott h First of all, thankyou Ryan again. Ryan's a hand surgeon

(58:16):
Texas Sports Medicine extraordinary. Had theopportunity to be able to work with him
over the last several months and hedoes phenomenal work. So thank you for
that input. Uh, Scott,Yo, Redeemed Team, let's talk.
Let's well, you know, sometimeswe have a movie review. This isn't
necessarily a movie review, but wetalked about this a couple of weeks ago
when I was on Now, Isaid, Scott, you need to watch

(58:37):
the Redeem Team. Redeem Team isa documentary about the team that redeemed the
gold medal after we had lost ita little while. We said we were
gonna talk about this on air,but you watched it. What were your
thoughts? All right? So numberone, Uh, it for sure lived
up to your hype. Yes toyou over hyping it. I don't know

(58:59):
how it could have, but itdid. And I'm watching this thing,
and you know, obviously it culminatesin the two thousand and eight Olympics,
and I had forgotten I was actuallythere. I was in Beijing and caught
a couple of the early guy Iwasn't there for the finals, but I
caught a couple of the early TeamUSA games, and I didn't know the

(59:24):
whole story leading up to I justthought it was just darn good basketball.
And you know, one of thegames was a little bit close, but
otherwise we just kind of rolled rolledthrough it. What a blast, oh
man. So so there was sothe other thing they were they were talking
about, you know, how theywere all segregated away and that, you

(59:46):
know, it absolutely was one hundredpercent true. I came back from the
Olympics saying, Chinese are obsessed withKobe Bryant. It was Kobe, Kobe,
Kobe everything. And at the time, the trainer was the trainer for
Team USA, so he actually gotus. He got me and my son
into the hotel area, so weactually got behind the good behind the scenes.

(01:00:09):
Looked they were the team was practicingat the time. Did run into
a couple of Women's Dream Team,got to meet Sue Bird nice so it
was kind of cool and we it'sall gone now and disintegrated because many years
ago had got to go to theswag room at the hotel and got a
bag of Team US. I hadall the Team USA, the polo shirts,

(01:00:31):
socks, and it was it wasa blast. We rated it and
it was it was quite quite thedeal. But anyway, the documentary did
not disappoint. I thought uh DWade was very eloquent because they tended to
interview him more than the other players. He was kind of he understood all

(01:00:52):
this, all the motivation stuff behindthe scenes, and a whole other level
of intensity of Kobe Bryant. Imean I always knew that that, you
know, his his game finishing abilitieswere incredible, but the work ethic of
the team going out partying, comingin at four or five in the morning

(01:01:13):
and he's in the elevator going theother way and they say where you going.
He goes going to work out goingto the gym, it's like five
in the morning, right how theteam slowly influenced was influenced by that,
and they started going to the gymat five in the morning with with Kobe
as they you know, were trainingto get to bring back the gold,
which obviously they did. Yeah,Boiler, we will. Yeah, I

(01:01:35):
mean hopefully you knew that already.But if you've never seen Redeem Team,
it's on Netflix. I highly encourageyou to watch it. Fantastic. I
watched it again last night just soI can be prepared to have this conversation
today because it's been like a yearand a half since I've watched it,
And you know, one of mybiggest takeaways was, Yeah, you talk

(01:01:57):
about the intensity of Kobe. Imean, you know, I forgot just
how good Kobe was and just howintense he was, because they made it
clear that Kobe was a loner dudelike Kobe stayed to himself even you know,
that was just his way of living. He just was by himself.

(01:02:19):
He was so intense. He didn'treally have a whole lot of friends.
He needed this Redeemed Team kind ofto because at the time he had some
personal issues he they kind of blamedhim, which is probably rightfully so for
you know, having Shock leave theLakers and all this other stuff, so
he kind of needed a fresh newview of him and to me, and

(01:02:43):
I know, you know, someother people may disagree, but you know,
we always talk about this goat conversationabout who's better Jordan versus Lebron.
And I got to tell you,after watching the Redeemed Team again, you
you have to throw Kobe in themix. Redeemed Team Kobe I would probably

(01:03:05):
pick. I know some people aregonna be like, Doc, you crazy,
but are you're crazy? I wouldpick Dream Team Kobe. You know,
I'm a Jordan guy, but Iprobably picked Dream Team Kobe over Lebron.
Yeah. I mean we talked aboutthis obviously, the you know,
Lebron's longevity, which is incredible.Obviously he's kind of got that Brady esque

(01:03:30):
thing where he takes care of himselfmentally, physically, nutritionally. Absolutely is
what would they talk about that thatthat Brady would would be asleep by nine
o'clock every night. Yeah, justyou know kind of but you have to
to be able to survive that longin that physically and mentally taxing environment.

(01:03:50):
But does that make him the goat? Now we're Jordan Jordan all the way
and listen, shout out to toLebron. I mean he surpassed forty thou
points. You know, that's extraordinary. Again, another scoring record, Caitlyn
Clark, you know, shout outto Caitlyn for you know, now having
the scoring record in college men orwomen. Pistol Pete. Yeah, she

(01:04:14):
she she beat pistol peat in termsof the amount of pistol Pete Maravich that
you know, some people may notbe familiar with. But she she has
a scoring title in in college.So yeah, take nothing away from Lebron.
I'm I'm just saying, if Iif I'm if I'm picking a team,
yeah, that's that's who I'm goingwith. But I highly encourage you

(01:04:34):
to watch Redeem team because it wasawesome. She's in the news all the
time. Capton Clark. I assumeshe's on the women's basketball team going to
the Olympics. I don't know,I don't know, but she is extraordinary.
If you've never seen her play,she is, Oh my gosh,
I've never seen a women's basketball playerplay the way she does. I mean,
she can see the court, shecan shoot. I mean she's yeah,

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and the whole, the whole deal. I mean she's she's all lat
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