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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's a little bit closer to home. As we see
(00:01):
the fraud that's been uncovered in particularly Minneapolis and Minnesota
and what's been going on there.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
The question is where else is this happening?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
And I think it's fair to probably the DOCE that
if it can happen there and is happening there, it's
probably happening here too, particularly in states that are blue
are run by Democrats at least anyway, I wouldn't call
Michigan necessarily a completely blue stay, and I think we've
seen it. Obviously went for Trump in twenty twenty four,
and we have that ability to go that way, and
(00:35):
this next guest is betting on that and making a
run for governor as well. The Senate Minority Leader join
us right now, Republican Eric Desbitt. Appreciate you taking the
time to be here with us today.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Hey, justin thanks for having me on, and you're exactly right.
Governor Whitmer has a disastrous track record when it comes
to protecting Michigan tax dollars against fraud wasting views. Just
look at the billions loss on fraud going on employment
payments during the pandemic. Eight and a half billion dollars
of your tax payer money gone. We must make sure
that what happened or the watch of her friend, her
(01:09):
buddy over in Minnesota, Tim Waltz, isn't happening in Michigan.
And we can't wait until the money's gone before we
start asking these questions.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So you've asked, and in fact you're calling for this
ought it to take place, particularly the childcare program. But
let's let's detail some of this because I mean, I've
heard people when they discuss this, they say, yeah, this
is happening in red states too. It's happening all over,
but particularly where Democrats are in control, because this is
part of really the apparatus scam of how they they
(01:41):
operate on a larger level. But this, you make a
good point. Don't wait for the Feds to come in
and point it out and then the money just sort
of disappears. We have a chance right now to get
proactive and get at ahead of it.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
It sounds like, yeah, I mean, finding affordable childcare is
one of the greatest challenges facing young Michigan families right now.
We know this, and every taxi or loss to criminal
fraudsters Billy makes it more difficult for law abiding families
to get the childcare that they need. Michigan's childcare programs
are meant to assist these low income families to the
(02:15):
cost of childcare. The state's spending over half a billion
dollars a year on this. The program operates with support
of some federal grants and state assistants. But what I'm
asking is that the non partisan office the Auditor General,
which was instrumental in detailing the immense size and scope
of the eight and a half billion dollars lost the
(02:36):
Unemployment scandle a fraudu MIS manager under Governor Whitmer's reign
of the Unemployment Insurance Agency. I'm asking the Auditor General
to investigate michigan child development and care program operated within
Governor Whimers what they call the bi LEAD program, the
Lifelong Education, Advancement and Potential Department. I mean just their
(02:57):
call service last fall was called ineffective under Goutitor General
when they just did a slight a small audit of
just one of their call centers. And what I do
know If foreign scammers and criminal frosters are stealing text
third dollars from Michigan stylecare program, we need to find
out we need to end it. We need to make
sure people held accountable and go to jail for this.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
What do you make of you know, some of the
things that we've seen.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
You know, we just had this story and it's funny
because a call from the Midwestern or the Midwestern or
Dot News mentioned it today. But this massive pothole in
the middle of this bridge here in West Michigan. Folks,
they're looking at I'm looking at the picture going, I
don't know if I want to drive on that road.
And here we are eight years later, and the governor said, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(03:43):
we're going to fix We're going to fix the roads.
And we're still dealing with this massive issues to our
whe our infrastructure. You know, the costs go up every
every day you'd have to drive your car on these roads.
You deal with maybe having the you know, some expenses
from potholes. It's similar to what you mentioned with the
(04:04):
cost of childcare. I mean, real life, everyday people here
in Michigan. I don't have to tell you, but you know,
I mean, we're dealing with all of these things. It's
like a slap in the face when you see money
flying around, but it never seems really the land in
our favor.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I have a neighbor who's had a cracked windshield for
the last year and a half. He's like, I'm not
going to spend the five hundred dollars to fix because
I know it's just going to get cracked again on
these on these roads in Michigan. And this is the
challenge with Governor Whitmer's administration over the last seven years.
I think you're exactly right. Last seven years, government's grown
by forty five percent in Michigan. And I don't know
(04:40):
anybody who's got a forty five percent pay increase. It's
it's it's it's ridiculous. And you know, when government expands
and grows this quickly, there's going to be fraud, There's
gonna be waste, there's going to be abuse, and we
have to work and route rout that out. I mean,
just last year, discovered forty five hundred ghosts employees that
were being paid for by the budget. Eliminated half of them.
(05:01):
But there's a lot more work to do. And this
is why I'm running for governor, is that we have
to on day one as your next governor, I'm going
to work and route out the waste fraud and abuse.
That's in the Michigan budget, making sure that whatever is
wasteful spending, we do away with these regulations coming down
from Lansing, preventing job creation investment from happening. And then
(05:25):
our education system. I mean, you look at it. We're
third and highest unemployment the nation, we're bottom ten state.
And education we're a bottom ten state. And per TAPP
and income growth and family incomes. I mean, the average
family in Michigan's making nine thousand dollars less per year
than the average family nationally. And yet we're spending more
(05:47):
on energy and electricity, spending more on insurance, spending more
on government. I was talking to a guy in Grailing
just a few months ago, and that guy up there
told me, he we moved from Tennessee to Michigan. You
don't find too many of these people to move from
a no income tax state to income tax data a
right to work state, till not right towards state. But
so you add it up, just this cost of living
(06:10):
here in Michigan, electricity, insurance taxes is it's just the
privilege of living in Michigan. It costs them five thousand
dollars more per year. And I don't know about you,
but five thousand dollars is a lot of money for
a farm boy like me. And you look at it.
Day after day. We're making less, we're spending more. It's
(06:30):
wrong and it's been tough to make it in Michigan.
And this is why I'm doing what I'm doing this
because we need to make it easier for families to
make it here in Michigan. Our small business owners need
to make it easier for them to invest and grow,
and most importantly, for our kids. We had to make
sure our kids are able to make it here. And
it starts with making sure every kid is able to
read by third grade.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Derek Hamen running for governor Cinemonori Leaders Republican and here
in Michigan. You know, you know, to your point about
Michigan and making it in Michigan, I see the state
as really the kind of perfect example what the nation
really is.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Right now. We have an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
So many people said that now the country's lost, it's
too far gone, and in particularly in the last four
years under Biden, in the way everyone in the Democrat Party,
those folks are really trying to sell us down the river.
But I think Michigan's the same way. You know, she's
got some scars, right, she's got some issues from battle.
(07:28):
But at the end of the day, Michigan can be revived,
just like this country. We're watching the president do it
right now. We just got to have the right leader
in place to put Michigan back on the map.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Wait, you're zach right. I mean, Michigan has such great ATHLETs,
our parks are lakes. I mean, you look at Indiana.
They've grown by a million people in the last twenty
five years. Michigan's hardly grown and we're starting to shrink again.
And so Governor Whitmer and the Democrats and Lansing have
made it harder, way too hard for working families and
small businesses and our farmers to make it here in Michigan.
(08:01):
We have the rising cost of electricity, energy insurance, the
insane amount of red tape coming out of Lansing. I mean,
when I talk to a manufacturer just over in Holland,
seven hundred employees, a boat manufacturer, that's seven hundred people
families that are supported by this business. They're trying to
replace their docks on a lake, and they're four and
(08:23):
a half years in a million and a half dollars
of legal and engineering costs just replace their docks for
manufacturing company because of Whitmer's bureaucrats. We need the insane
amount of red tape coming out of Lance and needs
to stop. Take You need to take a blow torch
the bureaucracy. We're losing jobs or number one expert. You
see cars now, it's jobs and the cost of insurance
(08:44):
is way too high. When I'm up in the up,
you see cars parked the neighborhoods with Wisconsin places because
it's cheaper to get insurance in Wisconsin than in Michigan.
It's only a matter of time until they moved to Wisconsin.
This has to end. We need to build an economy
that allows families and businesses to make here in Michigan,
lower the cost of living, Burn the pile of red tape.
Stand with President Trump to bring back MAIDE in the USA.
(09:06):
We bring it back to Maiden Michigan, lower cost insurance.
That's why I'm running for governor.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Eric Nasbud, thank you for taking the time to be
here with us as Cinnemonori leader, as a Republican running
for governor. The website nesbit for governor dot com, nesbit
at nes B I T T for governor dot com.
Thank you, appreciate it and we'll talk soon.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Absolutely, let's continue the battle.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You got it, Stay in the fight. We got it.
It's a little bit closer to home. As we see
(00:01):
the fraud that's been uncovered in particularly Minneapolis and Minnesota
and what's been going on there.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
The question is where else is this happening?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
And I think it's fair to probably the DOCE that
if it can happen there and is happening there, it's
probably happening here too, particularly in states that are blue
are run by Democrats at least anyway, I wouldn't call
Michigan necessarily a completely blue stay, and I think we've
seen it. Obviously went for Trump in twenty twenty four,
and we have that ability to go that way, and
(00:35):
this next guest is betting on that and making a
run for governor as well. The Senate Minority Leader join
us right now, Republican Eric Desbitt. Appreciate you taking the
time to be here with us today.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Hey, justin thanks for having me on, and you're exactly right.
Governor Whitmer has a disastrous track record when it comes
to protecting Michigan tax dollars against fraud wasting views. Just
look at the billions loss on fraud going on employment
payments during the pandemic. Eight and a half billion dollars
of your tax payer money gone. We must make sure
that what happened or the watch of her friend, her
(01:09):
buddy over in Minnesota, Tim Waltz, isn't happening in Michigan.
And we can't wait until the money's gone before we
start asking these questions.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So you've asked, and in fact you're calling for this
ought it to take place, particularly the childcare program. But
let's let's detail some of this because I mean, I've
heard people when they discuss this, they say, yeah, this
is happening in red states too. It's happening all over,
but particularly where Democrats are in control, because this is
part of really the apparatus scam of how they they
(01:41):
operate on a larger level. But this, you make a
good point. Don't wait for the Feds to come in
and point it out and then the money just sort
of disappears. We have a chance right now to get
proactive and get at ahead of it.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
It sounds like, yeah, I mean, finding affordable childcare is
one of the greatest challenges facing young Michigan families right now.
We know this, and every taxi or loss to criminal
fraudsters Billy makes it more difficult for law abiding families
to get the childcare that they need. Michigan's childcare programs
are meant to assist these low income families to the
(02:15):
cost of childcare. The state's spending over half a billion
dollars a year on this. The program operates with support
of some federal grants and state assistants. But what I'm
asking is that the non partisan office the Auditor General,
which was instrumental in detailing the immense size and scope
of the eight and a half billion dollars lost the
(02:36):
Unemployment scandle a fraudu MIS manager under Governor Whitmer's reign
of the Unemployment Insurance Agency. I'm asking the Auditor General
to investigate michigan child development and care program operated within
Governor Whimers what they call the bi LEAD program, the
Lifelong Education, Advancement and Potential Department. I mean just their
(02:57):
call service last fall was called ineffective under Goutitor General
when they just did a slight a small audit of
just one of their call centers. And what I do
know If foreign scammers and criminal frosters are stealing text
third dollars from Michigan stylecare program, we need to find
out we need to end it. We need to make
sure people held accountable and go to jail for this.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
What do you make of you know, some of the
things that we've seen.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
You know, we just had this story and it's funny
because a call from the Midwestern or the Midwestern or
Dot News mentioned it today. But this massive pothole in
the middle of this bridge here in West Michigan. Folks,
they're looking at I'm looking at the picture going, I
don't know if I want to drive on that road.
And here we are eight years later, and the governor said, yeah, yeah, yeah,
(03:43):
we're going to fix We're going to fix the roads.
And we're still dealing with this massive issues to our
whe our infrastructure. You know, the costs go up every
every day you'd have to drive your car on these roads.
You deal with maybe having the you know, some expenses
from potholes. It's similar to what you mentioned with the
(04:04):
cost of childcare. I mean, real life, everyday people here
in Michigan. I don't have to tell you, but you know,
I mean, we're dealing with all of these things. It's
like a slap in the face when you see money
flying around, but it never seems really the land in
our favor.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I have a neighbor who's had a cracked windshield for
the last year and a half. He's like, I'm not
going to spend the five hundred dollars to fix because
I know it's just going to get cracked again on
these on these roads in Michigan. And this is the
challenge with Governor Whitmer's administration over the last seven years.
I think you're exactly right. Last seven years, government's grown
by forty five percent in Michigan. And I don't know
(04:40):
anybody who's got a forty five percent pay increase. It's
it's it's it's ridiculous. And you know, when government expands
and grows this quickly, there's going to be fraud, There's
gonna be waste, there's going to be abuse, and we
have to work and route rout that out. I mean,
just last year, discovered forty five hundred ghosts employees that
were being paid for by the budget. Eliminated half of them.
(05:01):
But there's a lot more work to do. And this
is why I'm running for governor, is that we have
to on day one as your next governor, I'm going
to work and route out the waste fraud and abuse.
That's in the Michigan budget, making sure that whatever is
wasteful spending, we do away with these regulations coming down
from Lansing, preventing job creation investment from happening. And then
(05:25):
our education system. I mean, you look at it. We're
third and highest unemployment the nation, we're bottom ten state.
And education we're a bottom ten state. And per TAPP
and income growth and family incomes. I mean, the average
family in Michigan's making nine thousand dollars less per year
than the average family nationally. And yet we're spending more
(05:47):
on energy and electricity, spending more on insurance, spending more
on government. I was talking to a guy in Grailing
just a few months ago, and that guy up there
told me, he we moved from Tennessee to Michigan. You
don't find too many of these people to move from
a no income tax state to income tax data a
right to work state, till not right towards state. But
so you add it up, just this cost of living
(06:10):
here in Michigan, electricity, insurance taxes is it's just the
privilege of living in Michigan. It costs them five thousand
dollars more per year. And I don't know about you,
but five thousand dollars is a lot of money for
a farm boy like me. And you look at it.
Day after day. We're making less, we're spending more. It's
(06:30):
wrong and it's been tough to make it in Michigan.
And this is why I'm doing what I'm doing this
because we need to make it easier for families to
make it here in Michigan. Our small business owners need
to make it easier for them to invest and grow,
and most importantly, for our kids. We had to make
sure our kids are able to make it here. And
it starts with making sure every kid is able to
read by third grade.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Derek Hamen running for governor Cinemonori Leaders Republican and here
in Michigan. You know, you know, to your point about
Michigan and making it in Michigan, I see the state
as really the kind of perfect example what the nation
really is.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Right now. We have an opportunity.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
So many people said that now the country's lost, it's
too far gone, and in particularly in the last four
years under Biden, in the way everyone in the Democrat Party,
those folks are really trying to sell us down the river.
But I think Michigan's the same way. You know, she's
got some scars, right, she's got some issues from battle.
(07:28):
But at the end of the day, Michigan can be revived,
just like this country. We're watching the president do it
right now. We just got to have the right leader
in place to put Michigan back on the map.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Wait, you're zach right. I mean, Michigan has such great ATHLETs,
our parks are lakes. I mean, you look at Indiana.
They've grown by a million people in the last twenty
five years. Michigan's hardly grown and we're starting to shrink again.
And so Governor Whitmer and the Democrats and Lansing have
made it harder, way too hard for working families and
small businesses and our farmers to make it here in Michigan.
(08:01):
We have the rising cost of electricity, energy insurance, the
insane amount of red tape coming out of Lansing. I mean,
when I talk to a manufacturer just over in Holland,
seven hundred employees, a boat manufacturer, that's seven hundred people
families that are supported by this business. They're trying to
replace their docks on a lake, and they're four and
(08:23):
a half years in a million and a half dollars
of legal and engineering costs just replace their docks for
manufacturing company because of Whitmer's bureaucrats. We need the insane
amount of red tape coming out of Lance and needs
to stop. Take You need to take a blow torch
the bureaucracy. We're losing jobs or number one expert. You
see cars now, it's jobs and the cost of insurance
(08:44):
is way too high. When I'm up in the up,
you see cars parked the neighborhoods with Wisconsin places because
it's cheaper to get insurance in Wisconsin than in Michigan.
It's only a matter of time until they moved to Wisconsin.
This has to end. We need to build an economy
that allows families and businesses to make here in Michigan,
lower the cost of living, Burn the pile of red tape.
Stand with President Trump to bring back MAIDE in the USA.
(09:06):
We bring it back to Maiden Michigan, lower cost insurance.
That's why I'm running for governor.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Eric Nasbud, thank you for taking the time to be
here with us as Cinnemonori leader, as a Republican running
for governor. The website nesbit for governor dot com, nesbit
at nes B I T T for governor dot com.
Thank you, appreciate it and we'll talk soon.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Absolutely, let's continue the battle.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You got it, Stay in the fight. We got it.
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