Ryan Kelley on Jail, Justice & Redemption (podcast)

Broken Chains, Bound by Faith: Ryan Kelley on Jail, Justice & RedemptionIn this powerful episode, Ryan Kelley opens up about his journey through political persecution, his time behind bars following January 6, and the deep personal toll it’s taken on his family. He shares how his faith anchored him through the storm, what life was really like on the inside, and whether he’s ready to step back into the political arena with another run for Michigan governor. It’s raw, revealing, and a reminder that standing for truth still comes at a cost.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's going to be a heck of a riot. It's
like drinking from a fire hose, never a dull moment.
But yes, you'll hear the stories.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
You won't hear anywhere else, and we appreciate you being
here what it's form today.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm justin Barclay Ryan, Welcome in.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Like I said, this is a story that goes back
quite a few years now, and we're going to do
our best in a really casual chat here with you
just as a friend that like, really dig in to
everything that you've been through and as much of it
as we can in the time that we have. But
I know people are going to have questions. We're going
to try and ask a few, give folks a chance

(00:41):
to ask some as well. But thank you for taking
the time to be here with us to do this today.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Always good to be here with you, justin. Thanks for
the invite. It is a story that needs to be told.
It's people you know, all over the state, in the
country that don't even really understand the depths of what happened.
And I'm not alone in this. There's so many other
people that have gone through similar struggles, you know, similar persecutions.

(01:07):
My story is unique because I was running for public office.
I was the leading gubernatorial candidate in the state of
Michigan at the time that I was arrested for misdemeanors.
And you know, I've been telling the story all over
the state of Michigan, and they excited to do it. Here,
let's dive in.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Ahi. There's the picture.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I think this one may have came from NBC, one
of the things that probably gives folks the best sort
of description about what happened. But as I mentioned, the
political persecution, right, and the prosecution, but really the persecution
of all of this, I mean it started even before
President Trump's Yeah, I really started feeling it. Were they

(01:46):
rated more logo and all that. They came to your
house as well. And I want to take folks back
to this time. We're going to talk about January sixth
and what happened on that day and kind of get
into all of that at some point. But first let's
start with this because this happened at a time when
you were doing pretty well in the polls, weren't you.
I mean, walk us through where we were during the

(02:12):
election for governor here in Michigan, and particularly I guess
this was primary, right before the primary.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
It was right before all the primary voting started. And
if we want to rewind back to a time that
people will remember the signature debacle, remember that justin there
was ten Google theorylet candidates i think at the time,
and then five of them didn't get their signatures because
of invalid signatures they had, you know, fraudulent signatures, and

(02:46):
there was five that didn't make the ballot. So that
whole time period following that was the end of May
of twenty twenty two, you started to see articles and
polls pop up all over the state that R. Kelly
is the favorite candidate, is the leading gubernatorial candidate. And
you know, it was multiple polls from different places that

(03:10):
you know, really painted a picture of hey, you know,
we have this guy that was, you know, leading protests
in twenty twenty was courageous enough to step up and say, hey, look,
you know this is all one constitutional, this is not
how we operate in America. And then the next thing,
you know, the FBI shows up at my house June ninth,

(03:31):
twenty twenty two, and I'm arrested for in front of
my family early in the morning. You know, they made
my house for misdemeanor charges.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, I gotta, I guess I gotta slow you down
because this is so much. And the first time I
got to take people back the first time I met
Ryan and you said something that made me think about this. Well,
I think we all have a little bit of PTSD
over the last several years. It's hard, like putting these
pictures together. I can't believe it's been five years.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Wow, that's the.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Insanity of twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
But you and I first met there as the governor Queen,
the Wolverine Queen time, Gretchen Whitmer had really decided, you know,
latterly we had no King's protests the other day, but
she decided, the Queen of Michigan, she was going to
shut this down, open that up, and all these things
that that she was making these these decisions on, you know,
based on the.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Science and the data. I remember all of that. Oh
my gosh, nails on a chalkboar. Are you thinking back
to that now?

Speaker 2 (04:23):
But you and I met, I guarantee I believe it
was one of the gatherings. I think it must have
been like the Delta Plex or someplace like that. And
in fact, this will tell you how crazy this time was.
I think Tutor Dixon was there too. A few of
our other friends were roaming around people that got chance,
a great chance to get to know since then, but

(04:46):
that's where I got to know you and some of
these other folks. So you were involved in standing up
and I'm saying, look, this isn't right. So you've been
very vocal from that point. And that's that's really where
you start to get again, I guess notoriety, and you
had been active in government and business for for.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
A while, but that's where people really got to know you, right.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
It was. It's the beginning of you know, kind of
the public version of myself if you will, and justin
if you remember back, the first time that I was
on your radio show was April thirtieth of twenty twenty.
We had that protest at the Capitol. We had a
ton of national news from that for you know, various reasons,

(05:32):
but you had me on your show. With that event.
We had a very simple message, a very simple objective,
and that was to get the Senate to vote, know,
to extend the governor's state of emergency declaration. So I'm
on your show with you. You're covering what's happened at
the Capitol. You're getting the message out there, you know,
and then from there, you know, we've we've collaborated on

(05:55):
a lot of stuff. And you know, it was very
early on the people like you and I said, you know, hey,
this is not right. And with that event on the thirtieth,
even though the Senate did vote no, we were highly
successful that day of getting them to vote no. Queen
Gretchen right, no kings, no queens. Queen Gretchen decided that
she's not going to listen to what the Senate says,

(06:16):
and she's going to continue with her status quote shutting
the stay down, put your mask on, stay at home.
You're not allowed to operate unless she tells you that
she can move.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
So much about that time now, when you think back
about it's so absurd, it's so absurd. But there were
some people and you and I and you know, lots
of folks listening to this program who saw that completely
for all, for what it was. And there's some people
that we welcome in with open arms now that are
discovering they're still waking up.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
There's a lot of people that still need to wake up.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
But that that was it so it's funny to hear
you say that, to think about it. They did, they
came to your house, and we'll get to January sixth
and y you were and what you were doing and whatnot.
But it's important to note this as a legal issue
because I remember coming to the courthouse that day and
hearing that you had been you know, the FBI had

(07:09):
come to your home and they'd raided your home and
for a misdemeanor, which is so wild now to hear
and to think about and to talk about it. This
time there were questions about what they were going to
do and what you were. You were essentially where you
weren't supposed to be according to them. Now I don't

(07:32):
really personally see anything wrong, but maybe you can. You
can give me sort of the background and what they
charged you with, what they said, what was going on
in the background there, But like you were on the
property there at the house when you shouldn't have been.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Is that is that the is that.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Essentially what they were saying, you were in an area
that was secure, although.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
It really wasn't. And I mean that whole thing is
questionable at best as.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Well, questionable at best for sure. Justin and Yeah, it
was a restricted area they had deemed around the Capitol Building,
and oddly enough, they had approved multiple protests, so there
was different permits that were given all around the Capitol

(08:21):
Building to different groups of people to have protests there,
and they had deemed certain areas restricted. But the issue
was they didn't tell anybody that it was restricted until
after the of January sixth, so it was like retroactive
and no testing area. Right. Oh, you couldn't have been

(08:42):
there back then, Well that would have been great information
to know.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Well, well, not only were they overwhelmed, right because the
crowds that were there, and as you mentioned, there were
planned events there that we know that for a fact.
They had permits pulled and all kinds of things. So
they were planning on this, this this to happen. So
people showing up there, you know, that's not out of

(09:07):
the ordinary. You would think, Okay, that's that's that's going
to happen. People there in the crowds, how would they
know that they weren't supposed to be there at any point?
And I don't look, I don't want to, like really,
I don't want to take too much time to weigh
too heavily on this. But like you know, we've all
seen the videos where doors are held open at the

(09:27):
Capitol Building for people to walk right through like they're
on a tour. And you see and the other thing
that blows you away is that you see these people
walking orderly through the velvet ropes and the stanchions through
you know, Statuary Hall and whatnot there, and and it
just it it It leaves a really bad taste. And
I think a lot of people's mouths the way folks

(09:48):
were treated. And of course President Trump has made that
right sense. I want to talk a little bit about
that too. But you know, your your political persecution and
prosecution at this time. It's happening while you were leading candidate.
So what do you make of this? What do you
think happened during all of that time? Just your personal opinion.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
My perspective on it as I was able to a
live through it, be reflect back on it. Ultimately spent
sixty days in prison because of it. And I'll talk
a few details about, you know, what the government said
and also what the judge said at my sentencing about
all of this. This will this will probably make a
lot of people mad. It'll make a lot of people go,

(10:33):
you know that's not right. Hey you have a lawsuit.
Hey there's this, So we'll get into that in a minute.
But you know, to your point, Justin, you know, I'm
the leading candidate according to all these different polls I'm taking,
I was one hundred percent in, and you know that justin,
I was one hundred percent and I spent all of
my time connecting with people traveling around the state. I

(10:55):
would go to restaurants, grocery stores, cigar bars, you know,
different store or was just introducing myself just to random
people in the general public because I wanted to meet
people and win earn their vote. I was one hundred
percent in and that's why I started doing so well
and was the leading candidate. So they needed to interfere
with my election to plant seeds of doubts and the

(11:18):
mind of voters that you know, at that time, if
you remember, you know, you saw on the news, you know,
they kept playing the same clips of the January sixth
stuff where there was you know a lot of conflict
with law enforcement officers, you know, putting down you know,
replay all of that and then sending all these people
to prison for extended periods of time, and in the

(11:40):
mind of a lot of voters that maybe don't pay
as much attention as you and I and some of
the people listening to this, you see that and you
ask the question, Hey, is this guy going to go
to jail? Is he going to be able to go
against Whipmer? You know, there's a lot of people that
still don't even realize that I had missdemeanor charges. I
was also before they went after President Trump with the

(12:01):
fourteenth Amendment to try to keep him off the ballot.
They had lawsuits here in the state of Michigan deeming
an insurrectionist, trying to keep me off of the ballot.
So voters, you know, to the tune of hundreds of thousands,
which I just I couldn't meet that many people personally.
You know, they planted seeds of doubt, and I think
a lot of people were thinking that what's going to

(12:23):
happen to this guy? He's a fighter, they're doing him wrong.
But I want Whittmer out of office. So that was
their main thing. Interesting picture right there. I can make
a comment on that one if you.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Want, absolutely tell us.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
So I have the video of that part right there,
and in the video you'll hear people start screaming USA, USA.
It starts as a faint chant and then you see
me screaming USA getting people to continue to scream USA.
So interesting enough. I have a video of that, and
that's one of the ones that they used. And I

(12:56):
was such a bad guy. Oh no, he's screaming USA.
We can't have that in America, now, can we?

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Justin It's interesting because you don't know what you're saying
when you take a snapshot in time like that pictures
you don't know or you're or you're calling for people
to uh come inside and and uh ransacked the capital there?
Or uh was was this? Was this you again channing USA?
As you said? I mean, but these pictures did the

(13:26):
job too, as as they you know, as they share
that stuff on the news. What was it like when
the FBI came to your house? I know you and
I have kind of talked a little bit about this,
but like, what was it like? I can't imagine. You know,
you got your kids, you get your family, and you
have a large family, various different age rangers of the

(13:48):
kids and and and whatnot. But dad had to be
as hard as it was on you personally. I think
it's probably harder as a dad. I just can't imagine
thinking of about what it did to your kids and
your wife.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Six kids. My wife was awake with me when the
FBI showed up, and a couple of my kids were awake.
Most of them were still asleep. And you know the
FBI shows up. Uh, there was like thirty agents or
so to Justin. I mean it's complete, you know, for

(14:24):
a misdemeanor, they could have been just sent a letter, Hey,
can you stopped in. We're gonna charge you with this.
They had to put on this show. So they had
like thirty agents showed up at my house. You know,
there's guns drawn with all this stuff. They're all, you know,
holding their their ar fifteens or whatever. You know their
issue was. And uh, they had helicopters circling the house
to Justin for a misdemeanor. Yeah, chapters circling my house,

(14:49):
and you know they're you know, they wanted to get
my phone and my hat and my shoes and the stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
And again this is like can sort of guy running
for governor.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yeah, I was the leading candidate.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
If that's not theater in itself, it make you look
a lot worse you know, I mean, a misdemeanor is like,
you know, that's that's like did you did you jaywalk?

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Did you trespass?

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Did you you know something that that you know, I mean,
it's it's just crazy.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
To your very point there, justin that whole thing, the
picture you showed a minute ago, the theatrics they did
in my house make this guy look bad so that
they could derail my campaign and keep me from being
the one that went against Gretchen Whitmer, because I would
have doubled and tripled down on all the things I
was doing. But back to the story there, I uh,

(15:40):
you know, they told me they're looking for my hat,
and they're looking for you know, you know, plans. We're
going to be searching your house for plans of the
US capital or trying to overthrow the government. And I'm
just I'm just laughing at these guys, going, you're serious
right now, aren't you. You guys, you're really serious right now.

(16:02):
And you know, so they you know, they take me
out of the house, you know, they I didn't get
to see all this, but my wife's telling me, you know,
they they're waking the kids up, they're taking them all
out of the house. They start tearing the house apart
looking for these plans that were so important that, you know,
a little side note here, they never found because they're

(16:23):
non existent. But here's a funny story to justin. So,
my my son who was at the time four years
old today's has eighth birthday by the way, So this
was four years ago. He was just about to turn five.
So they woke him up and he's like rubbing his
eyes as the FBI is walking them him out of

(16:43):
the house. You know, he sees they got their guns
drawn and you know, taking them out of the house,
and he'said, what's going on? And you know, you know,
my wife's like, oh, you know, the FBI's are resting dad.
So my four year old at the time looks at
the FBI agents and he goes, go arrest Joe Biden,
not my dad.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
No good, that's good.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
The four year old new that's smarter than the smarter
than they give them credit.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Well those kids were they they sure? They really do.
They pick up on quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
So what's it like now, I mean, what was the
effect on them during that. I can't imagine being away
from them. I can't imagine I don't like to leave
my kids for very long at all, to go on
trips or things that I gotta do, but I do,
and I just can't imagine how long you had to
be away from them, What that what that was.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Like for him. The whole thing was very psychologically traumatizing
for them, being that their kids. You know, for my
wife as well, you know, having her husband, you know,
ripped away from her. It was hard. It was definitely hard,
but also too Let me not just paint the picture
of doom and gloom, because in life, we all go

(17:54):
through hard things. Whoever's watching this right now, you can
think of some things in your life that are challenging
that you had to go through. You thought, why me,
whatever it is, but those build fortitude in us as well.
So as the father of my children is the husband
of my wife, it's my job to lead the family,
especially through hard times. And so while we were going

(18:16):
through all of this, yes it was hard, Yes it
was difficult, but we talked about the things where this
can make us stronger. This gave us opportunities to discuss
what weaponization of government looks like, what the constitution is
supposed to protect the people. If you have a government
that's not just going to overreach its authority. So there

(18:36):
was good things that came from it as well, for
us to you know, have a better understanding of life
and ultimately make us stronger people. But it was hard.
It was challenging, you know, and I don't want to
get too far ahead of ourselves here with what it
was like in prison. But since we're on this topic,
when I would call my kids from prison, you know,

(18:58):
I was, I was in a print and you look
around you and you know, there's one hundred and sumbad guys,
you know, basically an oversized hotel banquet room, and my
kids would ask me, you know, hey, Dad, you know
how you doing today? And my response was I'm doing fantastic,

(19:20):
and I'm really glad that I'm talking to you. How
was your day going? Because I still, even though I
was in that place, I'm responsible to build my children
up and to make them stronger people, ultimately better you know,
adults that will bring value to society. So you know,
even through all those hard times, we found ways to

(19:40):
try to, you know, look at the positive side of everything,
which is important in every situation we go through.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Yeah, well, I can't imagine what that was like what
what what?

Speaker 1 (19:52):
What was that like?

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Present that and and people that you maybe met there,
you know, what was this whole experience?

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Like, Yeah, before we jumped to that, let's just back
up just to touch leading up to the sentencing itself,
and then you know, that'll segue right into that. So
the results of the primary election came in, you know,
they they had declared Tutor was the winner. You know,

(20:23):
she moved on to you know, go ahead to head
with Gretchen Whitmer, and leading up to you know, there
was the looming federal charges over my head after that,
and so you know, we delayed for a little while,
but ultimately, you know, we were going to go to trial.
We were building a strong case. You know, we had

(20:45):
some really good things in place. And the reason that
I pled guilty is that two months before the trial
was going to start, we received a message from the
United States Assistant attorney that were on the case that said, hey,
you know, we're going to do a superseding indictment and
we're gonna you know, charge you with felonies basically unless

(21:08):
you want to take the plea deal. The plea deals
on the table, and what what.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Were the felonies? What did they I kind of remember
some of this, but what were the felonies that they
want to put up?

Speaker 3 (21:19):
And look at what the exact numbers were of what
the charges were. I don't remember off the top of
my head, but you know, it was just some some
you know, some things that one of them was like
destruction of property, but it was like a broad term
that you know. I asked my attorney, I said, so,

(21:40):
wait a minute, you're telling me that if I were
to go on a federal property and I break my
own cell phone just crack the screen, that technically I
would be guilty of that charge. He says, yeah, it's
that broad. Wow myself like, are you kidding me right now?
And so a DC jury, h it's against you. So

(22:01):
I had a decision to make I had as a father,
as a husband. Do I want to take the risk
now you multiple years in prison with these felony charges,
or do I want to plead guilty to a trust
passing So I made my decision there and pled guilty

(22:21):
to the trust passing charge. And leading up to the sentencing,
you have to do so much paperwork justin they want
to know every aspect of your life, all sorts of
things of your history. You have to provide all this documentation.
They do all these historical searches on you to figure
out the sentencing recommendations and the government sentencing recommendations. Here's

(22:43):
where it gets really interesting justin is that they were
just as much focused on what it was I said
about the twenty twenty election and about January sixth as
a candidate than what I actually did on January sixth

(23:04):
at the Capitol.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
That's incredible.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
They kept citing, well, mister Kelly had this Facebook post
and mister Kelly said this about you know, the election.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
And you're being punished for your speech.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
That's it. They wanted to not sure.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
What you actually did at the Capitol.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Book, how dare you question the twenty twenty election, which
now we're starting to find out more about and we'll
dig into I want to get your thoughts on that,
but also January sixth as well. But we're now starting
to find out that there are legitimate questions and there
are major implications of foreign actors China. Just the latest

(23:45):
as we have the FBI notifying of course the ladies
with Congress and that they were actually trying to produce ballots,
and they were trying to produce fake IDs and sway
this election or the way we felt about it, either
way and maybe both. But this is not a conspiracy theory.
This is something that you know, folks in a bunker

(24:06):
are dreaming up. This is actual fact that we have.
I think that that we've known for a while, but
we're just now being allowed to find out about. So
you said, hey, and I think some of the others
that went to the Capitol that day, it sounds like
to me anyways, like there's something wrong with this election,
something doesn't smell right. And to this day, just look
at the numbers. Joe Biden got the most votes than

(24:28):
any president in the history of this nation, even Trump
now winning in the landslide of the second time around.
You you got the more votes in Obama. You're still
not allowed to ask those questions, I guess, but you
know that was what you were You were really going
to be a sentence for it, punished for it sounds like.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
And it's in their own words. I have it in
writing from you know, the sentencing memorandum from the government
and then also from the sentencing transcript because they brought
it up at the actual sentence, and they kept citing,
you know, his Facebook post about this, and you know
he brought this up afterwards to make it their partising speech,

(25:12):
and the judge during the sentencing, and I have all
this in writing as well, he says that I misused
my platform as a candidate for elected office to lie
about what actually happened. That's not the exact quote, but
that's the general of it right there.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Who was the judge by the way.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Chris Cooper is his name, DC.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
A lot of work.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
In fact, they talk with Julie Kelly, who has been
following all of these throughout the history, and I know
she stayed up on yours.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
In fact, I think she was there.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
She was out yours and on the day that you
were since but she talks about how bad some of
these shocks were you. So you you in the and
the rest to folks on the flip side of this,
you know, President Trump comes not to fast forward too much,
but he comes back in the office and he says
this never should have happened, and he sort of wipes

(26:10):
the slate clean, although I don't think that's possible to
do for everything that you've had to go through in
some ways, some might say it's a service to your
nation and everything that you had to go through. Wouldn't
wish it on anyone, but to get to the place
where we are today and things seem to at least
be going now.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
It sort of seems that way.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
But if you had any other contact with some of
the other folks where you were, you locked up with
any of them that had similar experiences, maybe spoken with
Julie Kelly or these people that have really cataloged the abuses,
because that's what I want to see is those wrongs righted.
As far as those people that are on the bench,
they should never be able to serve again. They should
be completely I think, even worse than wiped off the betch.

(26:51):
I think there should be some real accountability that happens
there because it's abusive power.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
It is. You know. The judge continued in my case
to say that, you know, I had a lot of
people that voted for me and followed me, and I
lied to all them. You know. He agrees with the
government that a term of imprisonment was needed, but not
to deter me from crime, but to make an example
lot of people like me, for all of the things
that we've talked about today, sixty days in prison justin

(27:18):
and Yeah, it was pulled from my family just after
Thanksgiving of twenty twenty three and was in a federal
prison through Christmas, New Year's Eve, New Year's Day, my
son's birthday. I missed a lot of time with my
family for the ultimately the things that I said, not

(27:38):
the things that I did.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
But you're right, let's make this point too, because you
took the plea deal because they said they wanted to
charge you with the phony, which meant you would have
done much more time.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
How much time were you looking at?

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Probably five years?

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Wow, for what you essentially we now know, for what
you said online, for how you would use your speech.
It's again, in America, we're supposed to be that we
have freedom of speech. Here this Josh wanted to hold
you account.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Before, in his own words, need to make an example
out of people like you for all the things that
we've talked about today. Wow.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
So let's let's get into that. Did you meet people
that went to the same thing.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
There was a couple of j sixers there. It was
for me, it was a drive yourself to prison day.
You know, I had to get up at two o'clock
in the morning and my wife and I get in
my car and we drive to Oxford, Wisconsin to drop
me off there. So a wild experience there driving yourself
to prison. And again, like you said, something, we don't
want to wish on anybody for this. You know, I
was a political prisoner and I knew that going into

(28:49):
all of this as well. So that gave me a
certain amount of strength that God is pulling me through
something difficult to make me a better person. Sharpen the axe,
if you will. So you know, there was a couple
of other J sixers in there. You know, when I
got there, you're surrounded by people and they want to
know if you're you know, a child molester, if you're

(29:10):
a snitch or whatever, and you know I am a
J sixer. One of the other guys was a Trump
supporters TRU twenty twenty four, let's go. And you know
there were some other people that you know worked. I
guess we'll say, you know my celly, the guy that
was shared a cell with me. He was a pro
Putin Ukrainian who does not like Zelensky at all. Some

(29:36):
really wild conversations there with that guy. He had been
there for like fourteen years or something like that. But
it was it was not a good experience at all.
The conditions, you know, were not real great. The food
you know, hey, you you're hunger, You're gonna eat, right,
That's kind of how it goes. It wasn't totally terrible

(29:59):
that but it wasn't that good. We're not going to
go there and say it was that good. But you know,
it was tough being away from the family and having
to go through all of this stuff and whatnot. But
you know, ultimately, you know, I did the sixty days
and then was reunited with the family. I, like I said,

(30:20):
I can't imagine what that's like.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
I know that it's built something in you that I don't.
I don't really know what exactly will be used for,
but I believe that that's the way the Lord works
as redemption. He doesn't cause these bad things to happen
to us, but he can use them and will oftentimes
in that process. That redemption process is is is just

(30:44):
it's it's miraculous. So Lord only knows what it'll be
used for, not just with you, but also your family,
your kids. Now, think about how had this experience of
watching this happen their father, and who knows what that
creates the drive and the and the purpose inside of
them in the future to move forward. So you know,

(31:04):
we you know, we've been praying for you know this,
but like this audience and so many throughout the states
in the country praying for you in particular, but so
many others in President Trump et cetera, during all these times,
these trials and in these tests. But we'll continue because
I know that this is something that you're you're continuing
to face.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
You got I want to talk about like the state of.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Really the way that we're starting to find things out
now President Trump's second term and we're starting to get
the partner to get all these things coming through. But
you get the stories that we're just finding out China
was involved making these fake ballots, making the IDs they
try to influence the election.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
We know that.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
I'm I just you know, think that President Trump says
it the best way when.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
He says it was rigged.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
It was rigged because it wasn't necessarily one thing or another.
In my opinion, we want to ask you what you think.
But if you take all of these things together and
even just from the perspective that the story about hunter
Byden's laptop shows you the way social media, the way
the mainstream media treated everything. They had already picked the result.

(32:14):
They had picked the outcome, and they're gonna do anything
and everything they could to ensure that that happened. So
is there one little thing, that maybe one smoking gun,
that proves it all?

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Now? I think it's a number of things.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
But I think we now have enough evidence and will
continue as they start to dig into these things. Now
we have a present calling for a special prosecutor to
look into some of these major issues, and I think
we ought to have somebody that looks into these judges.
I think we ought to have somebody that looks into
the folks at the Justice Department, somebody that looks into

(32:48):
the folks at the FBI that were behind the scenes.
I know we got good people in all those places still,
and by the way, they're trying to turn things around
right now, I know that that's happening. But until we
have like a clean how we've actually swept this place
claim and we have full accountability, I don't think we
can move forward as a country.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
You're right, justin and that's a lot of moving parts.
There's you know, as all of that needs to be
sorted out. You know, if you will, the moments of
time still continue. And now we're talking about this stuff
with Iran and Israel and you know, all the tariffs.
I mean, there's time doesn't slow down for anyone. But

(33:29):
you're so right that if we don't correct those wrongs.
And it's not like you said earlier on jaywalking, like
oh somebody it was jaywalking, Like okay, just don't do
it next time. I mean, these people did rig an election.
And here in the state of Michigan, just look at
how our election was handled. The US Constitution gives the
authority to the legislature to determine how the election is

(33:54):
ran operated and then the Secretary of State carries that out.
The secretary of State, who now is running for governor
in Michigan, decided she was going to change all that
stuff on her own. She was going to change rules
and how things are done and how things get you know,
taken care of. And so just that alone makes it unconstitutional.
And you mentioned the Hunter Biden laptop story that was suppressed,

(34:16):
that was censored. Social media companies were let's call it,
you know, approached by the FBI to decide what might
be allowed on their platform and what they might think
shouldn't be allowed on their platform, and that story was censored.
Don't you think people would want to know the truth
about that? I think so the media colluded with all

(34:38):
of this, like you said, picking and choosing the winners
because they wanted Biden. The hate for Trump is real,
the hate for America is real. And you know, go
to your gut feeling if you just look at everything
that happened around the twenty twenty election, ballots showing up
three in the morning, you know, all these different pipes
bursting at the same time, all across the country, at

(35:01):
these different locations. You know, you just look at the
thing as a whole, and like you said, it's not
any one particular thing. You just look at all of
it and go, you know, something ate right with that?
That's that's a little off. Maybe we should take a
closer look at this. And really that's what January sixth
was all about, is you know, all of those different
things and people going, you know what, this is not

(35:24):
a good thing for our country to have all this
just shout down to our thrusts. No Biden's the winner,
you know, he's the guy. You know, forget about this,
don't look over here, don't look behind the curtain. And
we had questions, and we still have questions. And I
hope you're right justin I hope that that accountability does
come because it's what people did, is it's serious. And

(35:46):
you know, Fauci gets the pardon all the way back
to twenty fourteen, and Biden's whole family gets a preemptive
pardon all the way back to twenty fourteen, the January
sixth Committee preemptive pardon, all the way back to twenty fourteen.
The other officers that lie.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Maybe maybe if they if they were if if if
they weren't done by auto pen, that that whole thing
might be becoming unraveled as we speak now. But to
your point, you're right. I mean, all of these things
that happened in the past and they need to be confronted,
are still happening. And and and president as we're trying,

(36:20):
the President is trying to fix everything that is dealing
with today. You've got the whole piece. As we're speaking today,
here's just the news happening today. There's a ceasefire, who
knows how long it lasts. We pray for peace with
with the folks in the Middle East and Israel and
Grant did a little bit of a back and forth
on that last night. It looks like it's back on track.

(36:43):
That's of this hour. As we're recording that this hour,
Jocelyn Benson, a Secretary of State, has been hauled in
front of the Michigan House now Republican controlled House, to
answer questions about a number of issues. As you mentioned,
the most lawless secretary stage. She wants to run for
governor and oversee her own election, just like Katie Hobbs

(37:04):
down in Arizona. I'm sure to go fine. I'm sure
she'll be She'll be great. But these are all issues
that are happening now, and he's trying to get the
country back on track as far as trade, the economy,
and make America great again. These are all things that
have to take place now. I'm not suggesting that he
can't of it. There's quite a bit that goes into it.
And this is somebody who can chew gum and walk

(37:28):
at the same time. So it's not something that I
think is going to have an issue with. But we
do have to be patient. I think, at least that's
my take on it. It sounds like that's what you
were saying.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
It's a lot of moving parts and you can't get
the result on day one for something this big, with
this many people that were involved. So yeah, there's an
element of patients. There's an element of action as well,
and if people don't see any type of action, you
start to be discouraged. You start to say, well, is
anybody going to do anything about anything? You know, we

(38:02):
voted for this, if you will, and you want to
see people take action, but you know it can't happen overnight,
and they've done a lot to cover their tracks as well.
Look at the January sixth committee, how much information they erased,
you know, how much they for the Hillary Clinton emails, right,
get rid of all of that information. You can't let
them find that. So it's not as simple as people

(38:25):
want to make it out to be. And I understand that,
but I also side with a you know, action of
whether it's you know, an arrest of some of these people.
When you talk about the auto pen if that is shown,
then hey, you know that wasn't a legit pardon that
came to these people. You know, when do they have
to be held accountable? Right the whole? No one is
above the law, cheers on when these guys get all

(38:49):
these preamptive partons for anything they might have done, right,
you know, but nobody wants to, you know, hold them accountable.
And you know, nobody's above the law. Crowd, we just
want to come after Republicans like twenty happened, all these
things we're talking about. You see that same group just
want to brush it. You know, let's just forget about
what we did back then. But none of those people
wanted to forget about the January sixth insurrection. Right, we

(39:11):
need to hold all of those people accountable to the fullest.
The hypocrisy is on display. It's nice that now on
X free speech can flow because Elon bought it. So
I think people have an opportunity now that is not
just you know, this censored version of what the Democrats

(39:31):
want of reality, and you can have access to more
real time, real information to be able to discern. Which
is why Trump won the popular vote in all seven
swing states because people see and I hope that trend
continues because Trump can't get all this done in four years.
This is something that's been ongoing for decades, and it's

(39:53):
going to take a while to get it all unraveled.
And I really hope that the follow up to Trump
is going to be a strong candidate. They can continue
with the same enthusiasm for the love of America that
we have going on right now.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Starting to see we got some good folks in the
mix there.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
That's a that's a good it's a good piece of news.
Speaking on the next you know, really that that next
phase here, you know, we've got an election in twenty
twenty six.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
And what I.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Believe is that as important as the twenty twenty four election,
I said this during the entire thing, as important as
it is, I believe it's the most critical election, and
that's quite often like thrown around there, probably too much.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
This is the most important election of our life.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Time, but I really believed that in twenty twenty four,
I believe we're out of cross foads Nationally. I feel
the same way about twenty twenty six in Michigan, and
the reason is because we've seen what's possible. We've seen
that the state can go red. It did for Trump,
and I believe that we're at a crossroads as a state.

(41:01):
Right now, You've got a President Trump is out here
trying to bring business back, manufacturing back to the country,
and he's doing a great job. And they've seen all
the investment that's coming in. But I wonder how much
of that we're going to miss out on here in
Michigan because as a state, we're just not set up
because of all the things that Gretchen Whitmer has done

(41:22):
well the past almost eight years now to really cripple
business in the States. It's it's proven by all the
manufacturing that has left, the investment that has left. And
you know, she's on some trip probably you know Stillet
today down in Australia or someplace, trying to drum up
you know, some sort of crony capitalism. Well, really, if

(41:42):
she just got out of the way and let business
get back down to it, make it affordable to do
that work here, make make energy more affordable in the state.
I mean, we could, we could easily solve much of
those problems. But I guess my point being long winded here,
but my point being, I think twenty two six is
just as important for Michigan twenty twenty four was for

(42:04):
the nation.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
You know, every election that we have is you know,
really at that time the most important election, you know,
of our lifetimes, and what we see over the last
few years can be a replay of what's going to
happen in the future if we don't continue with this
same momentum that's being built right now under Trump's second term. So, yes,

(42:27):
the twenty twenty sixth election is going to be monumentally pivotal,
pivotal for the state of Michigan and believe for the
nation because that's going to set up the framework of
how the twenty twenty eight election looks. We need to
make Michigan. Yes he did. Trump did win Michigan by
I think it was like three hundred thousand votes. That's

(42:50):
not a little bit, as you know, justin that is
a very big number. And we can recreate that here
again with a strong gubernatorial candidate that can help to
pull you know, the rest of the ticket rate along.
We need strong ag Secretary of State. We had that
US Senate seat that's open, so I think there's a
huge opportunity here for us. Whimber has done very poorly

(43:15):
on creating an environment where businesses want to be attracted
to this state. And if you remember, it wasn't too
long ago when we talked about fixing the roads, she
wanted to increase the corporate income tax in order to
pay for the roads. And what do you think businesses
are going to think of that. They're going to look,
They're gonna think Indiana, They're going to think Ohio, They're
going to think, you know, anywhere else but Michigan. And

(43:37):
we have to get that mentality pushed out of Lancing
and have the mentality in Lansing that says, you know,
I put out and this is not a declaration of
running for governor or anything, but I put out the
Kelly Blueprint for Michigan, and this is just one of
the ideas that I had on there. It was that,
you know, reduced that corporate income tax one percent per

(43:58):
year down to one percent. In any business in the
state of Michigan that has under five million dollars in revenue,
your corporate income taxes zero percent. Make that investment in
your business. On top of that with the energy. I
know that this isn't a switch that you can just
turn on, but Michigan needs to be a nuclear powerhouse.

(44:19):
We need to have nuclear power that provides clean, inexpensive
electricity so that businesses and homes can be powered at
much less, much lower rates than where we're at right now.
And in the meantime, you know, fire back up the
plants that they keep shutting down, and you can have
a mix of all of that. Michigan is not good
for solar, you know, wind is you know, not the

(44:42):
long term solution either. But really it's it's simple math
justin as you know, you know, get the government out
of the way, get regulations out of the way, make
it an environment where people are going to want to
create jobs, and people will be attractive to the state.
It's really simple stuff. That's it, right there, Kelly blueprint

(45:06):
from Michigan.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
So there you have it, and we'll put that up
on the in the the show notes. But that's over
at X Ryan.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
D.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Kelly.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
One is the X profile. By the way, I was
pulling this up over on locals. You got people you'll
recognize these people in this photo. By the way, this
is turning in signatures. I think that says it's twenty
thousand signatures. There's Gritter Great who's in the in the
locals and the Freedom fan VIP right now and there
you are. That's twenty thousand, I think, is it or

(45:42):
is it? I don't know the exact number, but.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Dwayne Man he knows. Hey, Duayne, Hey Michelle, and we
had like twenty two thousand something like that a little
bit over.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Wow, incredible.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
All right, I'm gonna shout out Dwayne and Michelle there.
They are so organized. He was a rock star too, right,
Dwayne Michelle that they had everything so well organized. You
know what you see there in those boxes there was
duplicate copies. It was all organized well so that when
we dropped him off, like we walked out of there

(46:15):
knowing that like, there's not a chance in the world
then I'm not on the ballot. We even had like
a little cover sheet that says that we have multiple
copies of all of these We've gone through all of the.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Thing.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
I walked out of there going if the Secretary of
State says I'm not on the ballot, like this is
going to be a heyday of media frenzy. Fund So, yeah,
it was good. They're rock stars and I appreciate everything
that they did.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
So I got to ask, you know, because we got more,
I'm sure they're you know, these folks in many others
would like to see you run again. And that's a
question that you and I had talked about off here.
I don't know how much you want to talk about it,
but I know it's one that you quite often think about.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Would you run again?

Speaker 3 (46:54):
The Kelly Blueprint from Michigan was put out back in
January of twenty twenty five, because, you know, leading the
end of twenty twenty four, you know, lots of phone calls,
lots of people messaging me wanting me to run again.
And I love America. I love the momentum that we have.
And you know I was courageous enough, you know, to

(47:15):
step up during the twenty twenty time ran for governor.
You know, it was courageous enough for all of that.
So I mean, there's there's an internal part of me
that is drawn to that. And also there's a big
part of me that said, hey, you know, my kids
are getting bigger. I look at the phone that I
got back from the FBI, and all the photos I
had in there during the campaign and previous to the

(47:37):
kids were way smaller. They're getting a lot bigger. I
love being a husband. I love my wife so much.
I love spending time with her and the things we
do as a family. I love my kids. I want
to be there for them. I love being dad, and
I really think hard about and this too, justin this
is what a lot of people don't think about when

(47:57):
they when they think about running for office. A mental
commitment that goes along with all of this. It's not
just all you got to show up for some events
and got to do some stuff. If if you want
to be effective and not just you know, a blow
in the wind type of politician, it requires a tremendous
amount of mental energy. And I'm being very I'm guarding

(48:21):
all of that very closely to say, Okay, hey, number one,
where does God want me? Because that's more important than
any of it. Right, If he calls you in a direction,
you go. And last time I very much felt that.
But this time, you know, I don't quite feel that yet.
My conviction is not one hundred percent in and so
that's one of the biggest hold ups. And you know,

(48:43):
people understand that when I say it that way, my
wife is trying to get me to take an active
participation in that. We'll say she kind of goes back
and forth, but she thinks about what happened to me
on January sixth, what happened during the last election. And
you know, I've met with a couple of people recently.

(49:05):
I won't say some names, but you know kind of
attached to you know, some people that you would know
by name for sure that says, hey, you know, we
need people like you. You should totally run And it
would be, you know, one of the greatest comeback stories, right.
I mean, they try to beat me down to nothing,
they throw me in prison, and I come and I

(49:25):
run again. But look, I'm not trying to do it
for glory for myself or glory for some story or whatever.
It is. Like, I have a great house, I got
a great family. I can just live in the woods,
you know, and potentially play a role in helping to
influence the direction, getting behind good candidates or whatever it is,
you know, and and bringing value that way. Right, But

(49:47):
you know, ultimately, if you know, I feel that being
a candidate is the best direction for me to go
for whatever the reason is, I will one hundred percent
commit to doing that.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
And I'm just not Yeah, how do you make a
decision like that? I can't imagine, you know. And then
obviously you know your your your wife has has got
to be heavily involved in that. You got to pray.
I mean, I mean, these are just things. I'm not
assuming what you would do, but I just these are
just things top.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Of my mind.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
That that and and uh, you know one thing that
tells me that you know you you're considering it. You're
not just flat out right saying no, there's no way.
So I know it's weighing heavily on you. What what
I mean, what do you How do you make that decision?

Speaker 3 (50:36):
I asked that to I asked that to my grandma,
who has always been there to help me through a
lot of hard things, and she said her response was,
when you feel peace about the decision, that's your answer.
And so I feel turmoil. Feel turmoil looking in both directs, honestly,

(51:00):
justin when I think about like not doing it, I
feel turmoil. Like, you know, I should really get back involved.
I should really speak. I should communicate the Kennedy Blueprint
from Michigan, turn it into a hundred day plan of
effect effective action steps. I should get out there. I
should tell my story about the weaponized government against me
that I went to prison. The speech that they you know,

(51:23):
tagged me for you said the stuff what they read
for Governor woul him in prison. You know, they tried
to destroy me. And so I feel turmoil thinking about
stepping away from that because I'm like, I should, I
should use that as a springboard to help perpetuate, you know,
make America great again, the the American freedoms that we have,

(51:44):
and you know, to turn our state around right, attractives
and all that stuff we talked about. But I also
feel turmoil and in doing that, you know, and thinking about,
you know, how I should just be I should be
a husband, I should just be dad right and just
stay home. And so I don't feel at peace with
either decision right now. And if anybody's watching that would

(52:09):
like to help me make that decision, you know, don't
pray that I do or that I don't or whatever
it is, you know, just pray that God can bring
discernment to me, that that peace comes or whatever. The
decision is right. And I'm a little unattached from the
outcome and more attached to the obedience to God. And
that's what I'm looking for and I haven't found it.

(52:30):
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
I have a feeling that's the right approach.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
And I think that you are gonna You're going to
get that answer and and you'll have peace with it.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
No matter what it is.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
So I got you just mentioned that some other people
that you know, maybe you might support another candidate or whatnot.
Let me ask you who does that look like? Who
who would you support? Who would who would win Ryan
Kelly's seal of approval on what what?

Speaker 3 (53:01):
What?

Speaker 1 (53:01):
We're going to that decision.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
First thing that we go into that decision is me
making the decision not to run or not to be
part of, uh, you know, the process in any capacity
as far as being a candidate. So you know, stay
tuned on that right And I have, as we all do,

(53:25):
thoughts on the various candidates. You know, there's there's pluses
and minuses to all of them. And uh I did
put a TikTok. I got my TikTok back justin I
had my governor talk with like one hundred and some
odd followers one hundred thousand on it. Uh TikTok had
it shut down for two years, but they turned it
back on the other day. So I've been posting on there,

(53:47):
and you know, everything's starting to go viral again and
the following is growing, so that's exciting. I can use
that to get that information out to people. But uh,
you know, I put a video out the other day
talking about the different candidates, and it got tens of
thousands of views on it and just hundreds and hundreds
of comments, which is great. That's what I wanted to

(54:09):
do with the video. I wanted to engage in conversation
of where people were at throughout the good things and
the bad things about the candidate. You know, Ultimately, at
the end of the day, I think this answer is
going to be true, is that any one of the
Republican candidates is going to be better than Jocelyn Benson.
And we have to stay focused on that, I think

(54:30):
first and foremost, because for more years of you know,
perpetuation of status quo lancing with Democrats in control, it's
going to be trouble. You know, it's going to be
a lot of trouble for us. But you know, also
we don't want to have, you know, a status quo
Republican that's not really going to bring any changes, and
we don't want ones that are looking to just climb

(54:52):
up the corporate ladder. Of the political landscape either, right,
we want someone that's invested in the state of Michigan
to do right by the state of Michigan right now.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Yeah, it's such a such an interesting thing because I
often think about, Okay, who's the perfect person or what
does that perfect person look like, because there's two different
sides of this, right there's running and winning an election,
and you've got to have that person that you think, Okay,
this person can get that job done.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
But once you win, there's a whole mother.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Like job, even more important thing than unfolds, which is
the actual job. And you look at somebody like President Trump.
I mean, he has the different hats to he wears,
but he clearly maybe the best politician as far as
campaign like in the history of the world. I mean
the guy with what they did at the at that

(55:49):
campaign with the fire tru or the garbage truck and
and at McDonald's and all these things that he did.
I mean, there is nobody better than than than President Trump.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
But then he he.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Sort of unravels into er you're moving into the actual
I've got a governor and as the president, I've been
just it's very pleased with everything that we've seen and
I think of just a completely different person. He's grown
tremendously and I think that's the point we're supposed to
do it. And I think you made the point you
have too, But that's a whole nother thing. Somebody that's

(56:26):
going to get elected, but somebody that can actually do
the job when they get in there.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
And I don't think people realize how tough that is.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Spot on. It is two different things totally. You know,
perpetual campaign modes, you know, you're always trying to be
out there to you know, shake hands and kiss babies,
if you will, versus doing the actual job that makes
the changes that actually bring value to the state, to
the country. It's tough. And that's a consideration that I

(57:03):
have as well with looking at, you know, the landscape
for myself. You know in twenty twenty in twenty twenty
two that you know, time period, there was very specific
things that are state needed to really back away from
in order to move forward, and that landscape has changed
as well. The Kelly Blueprint from Michigan reflects a lot

(57:24):
of those changes. We have different issues now, and I
think you bring up a great point and something that
should be talked about more when whoever the candidates are,
when it's all unfolds, is the actual governing job and
finding out where people stand. Not on a broad scale
of like oh yeah we need up hold the Second Amendment,
you know, that's like played out, you know, nonsense, we're

(57:46):
all on pro life like you know, those those are
great viewpoints for people, but you know, diving into the
details of how people are going to make change and
then a promise has made, promises kept type of environment
where hey, this is the plan, Hey, this is how
we're gonna get it done. And then being able to
have basically a scorecard, how'd you do? What was the result?

(58:10):
How's the action? Does the audio match the video? And yeah,
it's gonna be a really good question. And you know,
the interesting thing is that some of the candidates that
we have now they have a history in government. It
is interesting in twenty twenty two, right, none of the
people that ran were you know, former you know, government
legislators or part of the government. You know, it was

(58:33):
really a group of you know, you know, a group
of outsiders that were saying, hey, we're going to go
to take out Whimmer. They just ended up taking out me. Right,
you know, stowing up in my house with helicopters early
in the morning. But this time around it looks a
little bit different. So there's a little bit of a
historical track record that we can kind of look at

(58:54):
that might be an indication of what people did forward.
And here's a quote justin This is so important and
I really want people to look at this and understand
because this goes back to the beginning of our conversation,
you and I talking on April thirtieth, you being part
of this whole deal in the beginning. Look, a warrior
is judged by how they fight during the battle, what

(59:15):
they do during the battle. They're not judged on by
what they say years down the road. Oh well, you
know that was a bunch of nonsense what they did
back then, you know. And what did you do? Did
you stand up and fight, did you put yourself out there,
did you put yourself in harm's way to do the
right thing? Or did you stand back in the background

(59:36):
and wait for the political wins to shift, to find
out what's cool and what's popular and then say those things.
Where were you when it mattered? Because we know where
you'll be when it matters again.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
When do you have to make what's the deadline? When
do you have to make a decision by.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
I would say probably September the twenty What is it
when the Macanol Leadership Conference happens nineteen the twenty third
or something like that, right, don't quote me on any
of those, but I would say probably by then would
be the best time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
That way, you can really get geared up and ramped up.
I mean, that's obviously you have enough time. You want
a time it right so that you you're not in
too early, but you're in plenty of time to get
signatures and to make a splash and all those things.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
And again that's that campaign side, uh hat part of it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
But if folks want to want to be on the
lookout and be aware that that would be probably the
time to expect an answer from you. I mean, you're
going to tell us either way. I would, I would,
I would suppose, you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Know, I'll let people know for sure. And here's the
thing too, justin in this because last time I started
very early, because I was relatively unknown, and I you know,
I felt convicted to do this. I was pulled in
this direction. I was one hundred percent in from the
very start, right, you know, almost two years early. And

(01:01:16):
so I went out there and I I built a name,
and you know, the whole thing unfolded the way that
it did. And you know, now, not starting from zero,
if you will, if I were to make an announcement
that I am running for governor, there would be articles
all over the place, and then you know, all the
controversy of the JA six stuff all the like, it

(01:01:36):
would boost to the top. I can connect with you know,
so much media, so many outlets. You know, I have
a large social media presence now and all of those
things combined, and I'm sure there's a lot of people
that were on the team before that would want to
step up. I've been there and done it. That's the

(01:01:57):
thing with this. I've been there and I've done that.
I know what it takes to get the signatures. I
know what it takes to become an actual candidate. I
know what it takes in order to build up a
campaign that the powers that be would look at and
go arrest that guy derailed his campaign. I know the
strategies it takes to become you know, someone that you

(01:02:19):
know is a viable candidate. And I can do that
all over again. You know again, I go back to
the turmoil of both directions, both decisions. I do feel
like I'm standing at that you know Robert Frost poem,
the two paths that emerge in the woods, and it's
like which direction do I go? You know? But I've
been there in Donald So we can put all that
back together quickly, have the framework of, you know, a

(01:02:42):
strategy of what gets things done in the state of
Michigan and in order to drive you know, a freedom forward,
b economic powerhouse for our state and really turn things around.
So you know, in the meantime, you know, I'm gonna
stay focused on business it do stuff like this with you.
We have some events that were coming up in McComb

(01:03:05):
County and Dearborn. I've been talking with Seldano and Rinky
at a couple of different events. The three of us
are probably gonna talk at more. Kevin won't run against me.
I would run against Kevin. I'm gonna go ahead and
say that there both of him and I have said
that there publicly, and he's struggling with a lot of
the same type of things as well. But uh, but

(01:03:26):
I don't know what the answer is. And that's okay,
because right now we're going to continue to you know,
talk and spread truth and we'll see where everything leads to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
UH. And I'm sure you'll come back and talk with
us when we hear when you have the answers. But Ryan,
in the meantime, we appreciate you. We're going to continue
to pray for you, obviously in the family because it
just we I want you to be able to have
peace in your decision. But but but also that everything
you've been through, you know, I do feel like and

(01:04:01):
I don't you know, I just I think about the
things that some of the founders went through, and look,
I do feel like you've you've gone through it and
almost some of the persecution, the arrows that you've taken
it is almost a service I believe to the country
in some ways, you know, just the way that you've
handled it, and I believe you've handled it well. So

(01:04:22):
so thank you for that and those events. If people
want to make sure that they stay up to date
with you, obviously there's there are many different ways. What's
the best way for them to do that, We'll make
sure we include that too here.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
Probably I did go and create another Facebook page Facebook
it booted me off. I did go back and create
another page, so I'll post it on there. If anybody's
on Facebook, I'll post it on Access on Acts as well,
and I'll put it on my TikTok. All lot of
people know on my TikTok as well.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
TikTok back for ninety days. You're there for at least
ninety days on TikTok. Don't know. Might build a plug
from China.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Now, so I'm gonna keep going with it. It's building up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
I have a really strange relationship with it with TikTok too.
I just I feel like, like, well, it's just like
any other social media. They're all, you know, suspect anyway
by the people that own them and what they're doing
with them and whatnot. And I feel like they're like
tools of the enemy, but we got to use them, uh,
I use them against them, you know. That's just kind

(01:05:32):
of That's kind of how I look at it. So
I'm there too, But that's great, and I think you
can you can reach more people there, right. I just
appreciate you sitting down and taking the time to be
with us again. We'll continue to pray with you and
the doors open come back. Let us know when you have.
You've made those decisions, we'll certainly love to hear from
you again.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Sounds great.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Just you got it. God bless care,