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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Judge Michael Warren joins us right now is running for
the Michigan Supreme Court. As we have the conversation, Judge,
good morning, Thank you for taking a toime to be
here with us today.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Good morning, I'm really pleased to be on the show
with you.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Fantastic. Let me ask you and I just break this down,
but maybe you can tell us in your words. As
we just seen recently Wisconsin had some big election Supreme Court.
We've seen that in recent years in Michigan. Why those
races matter? But tell us in your words, why does
the Michigan Supreme Court race? Why is this so critical
(00:33):
and particularly in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, it is an absolutely critical race. And to emphasize
it for your listeners, we have a Supreme Court there
right now has six people that are justices who have
been nominated by the Democrat Party and one for person
that hit Justice Brian zar who is nominated by the
(00:57):
Republican Party and the Supreme Court. And what I'm trying
to do is bring balance back to the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court is the final authority on what Michigan
law means, both the Michigan Constitution and any statutory provisions
that are enacted by the legislature, as well as any
common law like netligens and fraud and those kinds of things.
(01:22):
And being the final authority, you can't actually go to
the US Supreme Court. The Michigan Supreme Court determines what
the Michigan Constitution means. And for many years we had
an extraordinarily exceptional Supreme Court which was stocked with many
originalists and constitutional conservatives for the lack of better term
(01:45):
rule of law justices, and now has swung completely the
other way. So now it's a six to one court.
So we really need to bring back balance to the
Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
What are some of the issues and maybe you can't
speak on like what what what will be or maybe
you can. I don't know what what will be coming
up in the years ahead or could be, but some
of the big ones in the past, I mean, as
you just mentioned, there are some major decisions being made
here and and they get when they get kicked up
to the state Supreme Court. I mean, you're you're you're
(02:17):
talking about make or break for the state of Michigan.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, you know, it's the question is what's not going
to be before the Supreme Court. So one example that
will be is the interpretation of criminal law and criminal procedure.
You know, how victims are treated, how laws are interpreted,
how the constitutional provisions about crown unusual punishment, for example,
(02:42):
how no thought law is interpreted, U flip and FAW accidents,
elections law, all the ballot initiatives, all that stuff goes
to the Michigan Supreme Court for a final review. And
so it is tremendously to you know, if we want
(03:02):
to a court that views the law as the lawmaker
intended it, either the people when they adopted the constitution
or the legislature when they adopted the law, and to
apply it as opposed to legislate from the bench, then
we need conservative justices, rule of law justices on the
Supreme Court. And as the perspective I will bring, I
(03:24):
have been a Supreme Excuse me, I've been a circuit
court judge in Oakland County for over twenty three years.
I've tried over four hundred jury trials. I have more
combined experience on the trial court than the entire Supreme
Court put together. And that's not a knock against them.
But there's the lack of actual trial experience is very
(03:47):
concerning to many lawyers, because you know, we're in the trenches,
so to speak, and to have the insight of a
trial judge about how changes in the rules of evidence, procedure,
administrative rules, all these things actually have a huge impact
on how trial goes forward and how cases are dispensed.
(04:09):
And again, to have somebody that has that experience is
extradinarly important. And somebody with the perspective of a judicial
restraint and interpreting the law as the lawgiver intended is
extraordinarily important.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Judge Michael Warren with this right now for a Michigan
Supreme Court is a Republican nominee and we're talking about
you just mentioned it too, and I thought this is
maybe something we'd spend a little bit more time on.
But this idea, and we see a lot of this,
particularly on the left, and this is this idea that
there's a lot of legislating from the bench or judicial
(04:47):
activism happening, and it is one of the things that
I think is ruining not just the country of the state.
And we see this being quite a pro Can you
speak to that the problem that we're saying right now,
And obviously the need to make sure that we elect
someone who won't do that.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Absolutely. So you know, to me, this goes back to
first principles. And I've literally just having a new book
release that's called The Revolutionary Words that Forged America, The
Definitive Guide to the Declaration of Indeutenants. I've written another
book called America's Survival Guide, How to stop America's Intending
suicide by reclaiming our founding first principles in history. And
I raise those because if you're steeped in American history,
(05:31):
you understand the Declaration of Independence in the Constitution, then
you understand the proper role of the courts, and the
role of the court is to interpret the law as
was intended by you know, the founding fathers or succeeding generations.
Is that the Constitution was amended or in our Constitution
(05:52):
was ratified nineteen sixty three in Michigan. You know what
the voters thought when they voted to adopt the Constitution.
And to avoid the personal predilections and desires that the
particular justice or judge may have when they're viewing a case.
And too often we have judges that think that they
know what's better than what the founder founding fathers thought,
(06:17):
or what the people in Michigan when they adopted a
ballot initiative or adopted the constitution. But if you go
back to, you know, the principles of the declaration and
the tendance, like I said in the book The Revolutionary
Words that Forged America or an America Survival Guide, you'll
understand that that really violates the whole principle of what
(06:37):
a judge is supposed to do. And the judge is
not supposed to be a little mini legislature or a
super legislator. A judge is supposed to follow the law,
whether they like it or not. And I can tell
you there are many days when I follow the law
that I think I would never have adopted this if
I was a legislator. I think it might be an
unwise policy decision. I have to follow the law. And unfortunately,
(07:03):
there are too many justices and judges in America today
that see their role as very different that they're going
to fix things. They're going to override the legislature or
override the Constitution and impose what they think as a
fair and justice result, which is exactly the opposite of
what a justice to do. Self restraint is the most
(07:23):
important thing for a judge or a justice.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
We've got so many different areas that I think we
could hit with you, but not enough time to quite
do it all. But this, I think is a good
intro to tell people why this race matters so much.
Maybe we can sit down with one another for a
little more time in the future to go through some
of these things, and I'd love.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
To do it. I think that would be a tremendous opportunity.
I really appreciate that opportunity absolutely.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Judge Michael Warren and the race for the Michigan Supreme
Court is has been nominated. Of course, Republican Convention. How
was the convention? We just maybe get your commentary on that.
And it does seem like it was a very productive
year this year.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I think it was. I had a great time, and
I'll tell you why. I had a table and I
had a constant flow of people coming to me, and
there are two things going on versus so many people
were just excited about my campaign I have. I'm so blessed.
I have so many grassroots supporters that have asked me
to run for Supreme Court for a number of years
(08:29):
and I finally took the plunge. It was great. That
was very gratifying. And I also had the revolutionary words
the Forged America, you know, the new book, and I
had a lot of people buy it and just was
had fallen in love with it and the old book
American's Survival Guide. A bunch of volunteers to sign up,
and so I completely missed what was going on at
the convention for other than I got to swear in
(08:51):
the officers and that was fun, and I cited Thomas Payne,
these are the times to tri men souls or the
summer Soldier, the sunshine patriot, well in this time of crisis,
strength in the service of his country. And I went
through that and did a little mini story about George
Washington crossing the Delaware and kind of giving a parallel
about we have to, you know, step up as well
(09:14):
and be inspired to fight for our freedoms and liberties. Inequality,
don't nailable rights, and so that was extremely that was
well received. I had a lot of people come up
to me after, but it seemed like there was you know,
there were a couple of convention fights, as you would expect,
but otherwise I thought it went very smoothly.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, Judge Michael Warren. By the way, comments in the
work looking at your website right now. Comments in the
chat say they they love the bow tie, just just
so you know.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Oh, thank you, Judge Michael Warren dot com. There ye
got to see the bow tie. It's a great bow tie.
You're exactly, Michael. Do you want to go visit that?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Where can they grab the book too if they want to,
or check out either one of the books?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, Amazon dot com. If they type in Judge Michael Warren,
the Revolutionary Words that Forged America will show up, or
you can type in America's Survival Guide. They're both available there.
Republic Books as the publisher for the Revolutionary Words that
Forged America, so they can also go to that website directly.
(10:17):
Either would be great. It's actually being officially released on Tuesday,
so it's fresh off the presses, and it's a real
deep dive. Goes through line by line the Declaration of
Independence and concepts that are extraordinarily important that have really
been forgotten and some people sustain, like unalienable rights, limited government,
(10:43):
the Social Compact. We have twenty eight grievances about what
we declared independence from the greatest empire of the world
I've ever seen, and most people are unaware of those
and they really have a huge impact on how we
developed our constitution. And so the book also shows the
relationship between the declaration and the Constitution. And really nobody
(11:05):
has done this for like one hundred and twenty five
years to go through each each line. So if you
love America, it's the Charter and you can go go
read that book.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
You got it, Judge Michael Warren, thank you for taking
the time. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Thank you. God bless you, and God bless America.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Amen. Amen, all right,
Judge Michael Warren joins us right now is running for
the Michigan Supreme Court. As we have the conversation, Judge,
good morning, Thank you for taking a toime to be
here with us today.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Good morning, I'm really pleased to be on the show
with you.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Fantastic. Let me ask you and I just break this down,
but maybe you can tell us in your words. As
we just seen recently Wisconsin had some big election Supreme Court.
We've seen that in recent years in Michigan. Why those
races matter? But tell us in your words, why does
the Michigan Supreme Court race? Why is this so critical
(00:33):
and particularly in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, it is an absolutely critical race. And to emphasize
it for your listeners, we have a Supreme Court there
right now has six people that are justices who have
been nominated by the Democrat Party and one for person
that hit Justice Brian zar who is nominated by the
(00:57):
Republican Party and the Supreme Court. And what I'm trying
to do is bring balance back to the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court is the final authority on what Michigan
law means, both the Michigan Constitution and any statutory provisions
that are enacted by the legislature, as well as any
common law like netligens and fraud and those kinds of things.
(01:22):
And being the final authority, you can't actually go to
the US Supreme Court. The Michigan Supreme Court determines what
the Michigan Constitution means. And for many years we had
an extraordinarily exceptional Supreme Court which was stocked with many
originalists and constitutional conservatives for the lack of better term
(01:45):
rule of law justices, and now has swung completely the
other way. So now it's a six to one court.
So we really need to bring back balance to the
Supreme Court.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
What are some of the issues and maybe you can't
speak on like what what what will be or maybe
you can. I don't know what what will be coming
up in the years ahead or could be, but some
of the big ones in the past, I mean, as
you just mentioned, there are some major decisions being made
here and and they get when they get kicked up
to the state Supreme Court. I mean, you're you're you're
(02:17):
talking about make or break for the state of Michigan.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Well, you know, it's the question is what's not going
to be before the Supreme Court. So one example that
will be is the interpretation of criminal law and criminal procedure.
You know, how victims are treated, how laws are interpreted,
how the constitutional provisions about crown unusual punishment, for example,
(02:42):
how no thought law is interpreted, U flip and FAW accidents,
elections law, all the ballot initiatives, all that stuff goes
to the Michigan Supreme Court for a final review. And
so it is tremendously to you know, if we want
(03:02):
to a court that views the law as the lawmaker
intended it, either the people when they adopted the constitution
or the legislature when they adopted the law, and to
apply it as opposed to legislate from the bench, then
we need conservative justices, rule of law justices on the
Supreme Court. And as the perspective I will bring, I
(03:24):
have been a Supreme Excuse me, I've been a circuit
court judge in Oakland County for over twenty three years.
I've tried over four hundred jury trials. I have more
combined experience on the trial court than the entire Supreme
Court put together. And that's not a knock against them.
But there's the lack of actual trial experience is very
(03:47):
concerning to many lawyers, because you know, we're in the trenches,
so to speak, and to have the insight of a
trial judge about how changes in the rules of evidence, procedure,
administrative rules, all these things actually have a huge impact
on how trial goes forward and how cases are dispensed.
(04:09):
And again, to have somebody that has that experience is
extradinarly important. And somebody with the perspective of a judicial
restraint and interpreting the law as the lawgiver intended is
extraordinarily important.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Judge Michael Warren with this right now for a Michigan
Supreme Court is a Republican nominee and we're talking about
you just mentioned it too, and I thought this is
maybe something we'd spend a little bit more time on.
But this idea, and we see a lot of this,
particularly on the left, and this is this idea that
there's a lot of legislating from the bench or judicial
(04:47):
activism happening, and it is one of the things that
I think is ruining not just the country of the state.
And we see this being quite a pro Can you
speak to that the problem that we're saying right now,
And obviously the need to make sure that we elect
someone who won't do that.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Absolutely. So you know, to me, this goes back to
first principles. And I've literally just having a new book
release that's called The Revolutionary Words that Forged America, The
Definitive Guide to the Declaration of Indeutenants. I've written another
book called America's Survival Guide, How to stop America's Intending
suicide by reclaiming our founding first principles in history. And
I raise those because if you're steeped in American history,
(05:31):
you understand the Declaration of Independence in the Constitution, then
you understand the proper role of the courts, and the
role of the court is to interpret the law as
was intended by you know, the founding fathers or succeeding generations.
Is that the Constitution was amended or in our Constitution
(05:52):
was ratified nineteen sixty three in Michigan. You know what
the voters thought when they voted to adopt the Constitution.
And to avoid the personal predilections and desires that the
particular justice or judge may have when they're viewing a case.
And too often we have judges that think that they
know what's better than what the founder founding fathers thought,
(06:17):
or what the people in Michigan when they adopted a
ballot initiative or adopted the constitution. But if you go
back to, you know, the principles of the declaration and
the tendance, like I said in the book The Revolutionary
Words that Forged America or an America Survival Guide, you'll
understand that that really violates the whole principle of what
(06:37):
a judge is supposed to do. And the judge is
not supposed to be a little mini legislature or a
super legislator. A judge is supposed to follow the law,
whether they like it or not. And I can tell
you there are many days when I follow the law
that I think I would never have adopted this if
I was a legislator. I think it might be an
unwise policy decision. I have to follow the law. And unfortunately,
(07:03):
there are too many justices and judges in America today
that see their role as very different that they're going
to fix things. They're going to override the legislature or
override the Constitution and impose what they think as a
fair and justice result, which is exactly the opposite of
what a justice to do. Self restraint is the most
(07:23):
important thing for a judge or a justice.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
We've got so many different areas that I think we
could hit with you, but not enough time to quite
do it all. But this, I think is a good
intro to tell people why this race matters so much.
Maybe we can sit down with one another for a
little more time in the future to go through some
of these things, and I'd love.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
To do it. I think that would be a tremendous opportunity.
I really appreciate that opportunity absolutely.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Judge Michael Warren and the race for the Michigan Supreme
Court is has been nominated. Of course, Republican Convention. How
was the convention? We just maybe get your commentary on that.
And it does seem like it was a very productive
year this year.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
I think it was. I had a great time, and
I'll tell you why. I had a table and I
had a constant flow of people coming to me, and
there are two things going on versus so many people
were just excited about my campaign I have. I'm so blessed.
I have so many grassroots supporters that have asked me
to run for Supreme Court for a number of years
(08:29):
and I finally took the plunge. It was great. That
was very gratifying. And I also had the revolutionary words
the Forged America, you know, the new book, and I
had a lot of people buy it and just was
had fallen in love with it and the old book
American's Survival Guide. A bunch of volunteers to sign up,
and so I completely missed what was going on at
the convention for other than I got to swear in
(08:51):
the officers and that was fun, and I cited Thomas Payne,
these are the times to tri men souls or the
summer Soldier, the sunshine patriot, well in this time of crisis,
strength in the service of his country. And I went
through that and did a little mini story about George
Washington crossing the Delaware and kind of giving a parallel
about we have to, you know, step up as well
(09:14):
and be inspired to fight for our freedoms and liberties. Inequality,
don't nailable rights, and so that was extremely that was
well received. I had a lot of people come up
to me after, but it seemed like there was you know,
there were a couple of convention fights, as you would expect,
but otherwise I thought it went very smoothly.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, Judge Michael Warren. By the way, comments in the
work looking at your website right now. Comments in the
chat say they they love the bow tie, just just
so you know.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Oh, thank you, Judge Michael Warren dot com. There ye
got to see the bow tie. It's a great bow tie.
You're exactly, Michael. Do you want to go visit that?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Where can they grab the book too if they want to,
or check out either one of the books?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, Amazon dot com. If they type in Judge Michael Warren,
the Revolutionary Words that Forged America will show up, or
you can type in America's Survival Guide. They're both available there.
Republic Books as the publisher for the Revolutionary Words that
Forged America, so they can also go to that website directly.
(10:17):
Either would be great. It's actually being officially released on Tuesday,
so it's fresh off the presses, and it's a real
deep dive. Goes through line by line the Declaration of
Independence and concepts that are extraordinarily important that have really
been forgotten and some people sustain, like unalienable rights, limited government,
(10:43):
the Social Compact. We have twenty eight grievances about what
we declared independence from the greatest empire of the world
I've ever seen, and most people are unaware of those
and they really have a huge impact on how we
developed our constitution. And so the book also shows the
relationship between the declaration and the Constitution. And really nobody
(11:05):
has done this for like one hundred and twenty five
years to go through each each line. So if you
love America, it's the Charter and you can go go
read that book.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
You got it, Judge Michael Warren, thank you for taking
the time. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Thank you. God bless you, and God bless America.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Amen. Amen, all right,
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