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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey man, our team was one last night. I'm in
a I'm in a fantastic move, Dave, good to see you.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hello, Hello, Hello, What's what's the artist that does it? Hello?
Isn't that? Uh no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
That's another hello? And there's a litel Richie's Hello. Yeah,
that's a classic one. But I was thinking of I
don't know, mister Neil Diamond, isn't it he does the hello?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking. That's look
at you. That's the whole school, so start, Yes, he is, well,
Diamond would be like night or eighty five.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
That's very very nice. So I bet he still could
go like as far. I imagine he's got.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Some sort of uh illness of some sort of oh really,
I couldn't remember what it was, and I remember reading
about it while back at that movie recently with you Jackman.
I saw that wasn't any good really, you know, it
was not a movie about uh Neil Diamond. It was
about the group that covered Neil Diamond. So but wait
(01:04):
a minute, Hugh Jackman was good. Okay, Yeah, it wasn't
really about Neil Diamond. It was about the group that
covered all of Neil Diamond. Songs.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You tell me you watched the preview for that, and
we have a lot to get to.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I understand. People are like, what what we're doing here?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
You watched that preview, I imagine before you went and saw
the movie.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yes, yes, I did. No, it was it was it
was good.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
It looked like a biopic. And then it wasn't a
biopic bio you mean a biopick a biopic? Yeah, I
thought I was hearing something wrong.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I'm like, it's biopics. You're right, You're.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Right, Okay, there's something wrong. That's all I'm sitting here, like,
was a biopick from Connect? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, I'll do Mexico. We pronounced it's time, It's about time. Yeah, exactly. Well,
last night, so we crowned a national champion, and more importantly,
the cover Yukon plus six and a half, that was
the more important aspect of that.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Right, you're lucky. You get a seventy six percent free
throw shooter who misses not one but two with like
thirty seconds to go. But that's all right, we split,
but the winner's split. Oh what it is? Okay?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, all I know is is the cover was really
what my rooting interest was I mean, yeah, whatever happened,
I thought Michigan might win.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I just I knew in my heart, Dave, I knew
in my heart there was no way to Michigan victory
lap over Yukon, covering six and a half the.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Way.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
This is a guy that is not when's the last
I want to I want to ask you one question,
one serious question. When's the last time no bs that
you in in like in full swing competed, Like, what
was the last competitive thing that you, like, were involved?
(03:00):
Like pick a ball? Does? Like board game? Count? Is that? Like? Uh,
which which board game?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Like?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Which one?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Well, I mean there's like, you know, like the game Monopoly.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Actually I hate Monopoly. Always take games the Orange. That's
a good one. Yeah, that's a good one, but I'll
never play it ever again. So so other than a
board game, like a like like competed, Yeah, you know,
I will play golf every so often. I guess that. Okay,
compete against yourself, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
All right.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I just just was asking for a friend.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I really really, because by the time the game got
to that late portion of it, you knew Michigan was
going to win, So then it really kind of in
my opinion, came down to Okay, and that became more
of my interest because I didn't think Ukon was going
to win.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's going to be a one point game with like
twenty eight seconds right now.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I was under the belief, I'm like, God, Michigan is
going to win this game, but if Yukon comes back,
they're going to hit a buzzerbeater or within it. Like
that's what YU kinda is like instilled in my head.
It was just like, if they can make it a
close game on one shot game, they're with it. And
they slowly started chipping away at it at the end
and they almost did get it. Like you said, if
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they hit that three, where we might be talking about
a different national champion at this point. Because Michigan was
struggling scoring. They were struggling pretty much the whole game.
They struggled. Both teams were really good on defense. I mean,
that was under the total bike quite a bit. But
can we talk about how there's such a drastic difference
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now between college talent and NBA talent. I'm watching that
game yesterday and I'm like, how many of these kids
can play in the NBA? And I didn't see many,
but like that's the difference though. I guess now with
college basketball and NIO is you got people going to
stick around forever, and those are going to be the
better teams, but the team's actually necessarily.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Might have the better player. Michigan. Michigan's gonna have a couple, right, Yeah,
seven due to make a roster, and make a roster.
He's a boy who was hurt, uh Linden, I mean
he'll be He's probably a mid first round pick. What
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about Yukont Caravan might make as he's a freshman.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Oh yeah, Well, I mean I'm not now I'm saying
like at some points, but.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
It's just from what I'm looking at, these teams, they
may be better teams now with a guy, you have
a lot of the players staying longer. But man, for me,
it was a drastic difference between NBA talent and college
talent and that and that showed it. And again I
was a great college guy. I loved watching it. I
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love defensive games. I love it when they're competing and
it's not a complete blowout. But can you out telling
me that a lot of those players can play in
the NBA? Well, and that's why these older players in
the NBA are sticking around for so long because the
younger players are just not fitting the bill. You're looking
good for you. You're listening to exactly. I always keep
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saying that, like the college game has changed so much
that I will always have a job because there's not
many de tackles nowadays that play physical and and do
the little things right. Speaking of you always having a job,
what you're doing, you know, I'm about to be. I'm
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unemployed at the moment, not for long. Unemployed at the moment,
but we'll see, uh long, we'll remember what I said. Yeah,
we will revisit this and a couple before a couple
of weeks, about five days. What's to this day? I'd say,
give it a month. I'm enjoying my freedom right now.
(06:57):
It won't be a month. I'm enjoying my freedom right now.
Give you an give.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Them well, I mean, as we know, and I don't
know if this is I'm not saying anything out of
turn here because I don't know specifics, but we know
that there are a lot of teams because the compensatory
pick formula will wait until after the draft, like like
the Broncos for example, with JFM are a perfect or
a perfect one.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Even George Peyton said, we don't want to mess with that.
We want to keep our fourth rounder for next year.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
And that's the biggest thing. So they're just teams are
starting to get these draft picks, and that's a changing
the way they're approaching free agency. And it's it's kind of,
I would say, an unintended consequence of the last CBA
adding this compressentory pick strategy into it. But now teams
go at a pause. It's like that first wave for
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free agency. Then they wait till after the draft. You
might add somebody little here and there, but you hear it,
we really want to keep this four round pare I'm
we want to keep this third round pick. Maybe it
won't matter. But the coolest burrow is Brooklyn. It's I'm
just had friends that lived there. You know. If that
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wasn't out, if it ended happen. Let's say I do
go to New York or whatever it'd.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Be in.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And I'm not Jersey City.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
No, no, no, no, not not where every team stays
in the Western In Jersey City, no.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
No, no way. I mean that's where the Broncos state
in Super Bowl fifty. Ah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
The John Harbaugh actually was talking to the media today
speaking of the Giants and he had a couple of
interesting moments.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
He was talking about Dexter Larrence.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I actually a really fun Dexter Warren's stat that I
want to get to you guys with the second. But
this was John Harbaugh talking about how everybody is tradable
in the world.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
And because he was asked about the Keevon Thibodeau.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
I think he's a great player. I'm excited about him
as far up to see him today. He looks great,
it's in great shape, and I'm thinking about him on
the field. I'm thinking about getting plugged into our defense
and getting him rolling. I think, you know, you want
to talk about like wells he get trade possibility. Everybody
is tradeable, everybody you know, even you're a tradeable Dan,
we will get something for you.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
You're trade in a heartbeat, man.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
But yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Not really what you focus on.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
You focus on the fact that we're having a day,
we're talking ball, we're getting our team is coming together
there as a team. And the business part of it,
you know, is the business card and that it kind
of swirls around us.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
But we try to lock in on the football.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
It's such an interesting thing, right, I Mean, he's obviously
a head coach, but you get dropped into a new situation,
you get excited about the players that you do acquire,
and it's a constantly moving situation, right. I mean, yes,
the Jeff Hafley, it was the new Dolphins head coach,
and we have some sound from him that I want
to get to a little bit. But he was talking
about the players in the building and still getting to
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know them, Like when you're a new coach and you're
coming into this situation. Yeah, I mean, you've seen these
guys on tape, you don't know them personally. I mean,
at least that's the vibe I get from Harbaugh as
well as from Halfley. It's like, yeah, I don't even
know what kind of team I really have, which is
pretty wild. Think about the NFL and what we do
talking about it all the time.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, I mean I think I think it will take
It'll take a little bit of time for John Harbaugh
and his staff to sort of not dictate the terms,
but to convey to the team, Listen, this is what
we're looking for, right, this is the process we're gonna
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put in place, and you know, hard work is going
to be important. There's all sorts of things that I
think you have to stipulate, even more so when you're
a new head coach. But frankly, I mean there's such
turnover on rosters every single year. I mean normally, you know,
thirty percent of your roster is going to change. So
even if you're not a new coach, but a coach
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that has been at a particular place for two or
three seasons, you've got to convey to all those newcats, like,
here's how we do things. That's why I think leadership
amongst the players is so critical, because it's easier for
those leaders in the locker room to look at a
young dude and say, bro, here's here's how we do it.
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This is not what we do other than rather than
a head coach or an assistant coach.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Man going off of what Daves just said, It's funny
because when I got traded to the Seahawks, you know,
they had this thing cast the Seahawks way, and obviously
it's just things ways they do things. Compete, you know,
well compete, but like it was something simple as we're
coming off the field, of practice. You know, it was
my first day of practice, and I think I walked off.
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I like walked my way off the field, like I
didn't jog all the way off the field. And I
remember Quandary Diggs It's like, Yo, we don't do that here.
We don't do that here. We jog off the field.
And for some reason that stuck with me even to
this day because now I don't let anyon want to
walk off the field. It's like, oh, we jog off
the field. It's you know, it's that's why you need
those veterans like days, that you need those guys in there,
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because what Harbo's that was true. Anybody can get traded,
Trust me, I don't. Anybody can get traded. And so
it's a matter of you know, well, obviously what you're
gonna get back in return, But then you gotta obviously
keep those guys who are the culture builders. You have
to keep those guys who set the tone for the
rest of the team and really for the young guys,
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to let them know this is how we do things
here and anything less it's unacceptable. And you can and
you can be gone at any any moment if you're
not going to fall fall in line with what we
want to do.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I did think about you, Dave, when he said anybody
can be traded. It reminded me of that was one
of the days a few weeks ago when you opened
the show You're all all replaceable?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yea, all replaceable. I mean there's not been a guy
that has played in the NFL for more than a
minute that did not have it like smashed into your
brain stem that you are replaceable. We'll get somebody else
in here. It doesn't that your name plate will not
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be your name plate tomorrow. It'll be somebody else's name
in your name plate's place. So that's part of what
makes the NFL successful because they breed insecurity and they
like it. They feel like they get more out of
their players if the players, you know, just every single
day think to themselves as they drive in, Hey, if
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I don't get my best effort, if I don't play
well today, there's a chance I won't be here tomorrow.
That's a little bit of an overstatement, but not entirely,
you know, an overstatement.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
That's just how the league functions. Well, I'll go back
to my rookie year I was in Oakland. I was
my first three games, I was an active and active
so I was on the fifty three, but I wasn't
one of the forty six. And I remember I can't
remember who he had just played. But we got home
and we had practice that Wednesday, and I've just started
going through the motion and I might, man, screw this,
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and you know, having a little timber tantrum, you could say, like, man,
screw this. So I'm not I'm not going hard. They're
not even playing me. They cut my ass the next
day and put me on practice squad like that's this
And this is also what you need vets for this
to relay to them that this can happen to anybody
at any moment. You're not guaranteed a spot here, and
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you got to go prove it. You got to go
earn it every day and so like that. That's the
thing is, there's no loyalty in this game. If you're
going to go out there and not give them full effort,
you're going to go out there and kind of go
through the motions. The big the one saying that always
come to mind about the NFL is they're trying to
replace you the minute you get in the league. And
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that has been ingrained in my head since I got
in the league and since that moment, and I obviously
I've made the most out of my career. But there's
a lot of guys that go through that and they
don't have to play again. So that's the hard part
about the league is it's a professional league or with
real emotions, and so you have to be able to
mix it. You have to be able to really keep
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it separate.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, I mean I've heard from almost every other NFL
player talking about playing with emotion as part of the game, right,
I mean, that's kind of how it gets you fired
up for it.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
So Harbaugh was.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Obviously asked about Tivideau. He's also asked about Dexter Lawrence,
who's one of the premier defensive tackles nose tackles in
the league. I was thinking about this because this Warsharpe
put out this pretty wild stat about how many pressures
he's had since twenty twenty two. When you think about
like the best defensive tackles in the game, like Vita
Vea is a name that comes to mind right there
with Tampa Bay. He said, thirty two pressures since twenty
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twenty two. DJ Jones is on this list. He has
twenty eight pressures since twenty twenty two. DJs Reider also
twenty eight. Jordan Davis as twenty six. For example, Dester
Lawrence is one hundred and eight. Is one hundred eight pressures.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Well, if you remember that year he got hurt, he
was on a tear. He had nine sacks and I
think in like thirteen or fourteen games, and he was unstoppable,
unstoppable guy you really had the game plan for or
he was. He's a game wrecker. And so is he
number one?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Anothers oh yeah, bye? I mean who's number two?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Number two was Vidavea at thirty two. So since twenty
twenty two, it's Dexter Lawrence at one hundred and eights
and then Vida Vea, who I consider one of the
premier nose tackles, all the way down thirty two. It's
pretty pretty wild. So I guess the question I have
for both of you guys, and I'll start with Dave here.
So when it comes to a player that is that prolific,
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he's obviously very good.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
To Shelby's point, he's obviously very good.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Is he a function of the system the players around
him to put numbers up like that, or.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Is it just that dude? Is that dude both? I mean,
you're you're always, to a certain degree a part of
the system, right and you have to have guys playing
alongside you in that position that are going to understand
what their role is and at times they're gonna they're
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gonna be called to do things where you can shine
and at times you're gonna be called to do the
very same thing. So but I've always thought Dexter Lawrence
just from an athletic standpoint, I mean, there are very
few humans in the world that are that size and
that athletic. I mean Shelby's athletic, but not as not
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as big. Dexter Lawrence is a very huge, huge human being.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
He has sixty pounds on me, and he moves like
he feels like, oh man, he the true athletes.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You just watch him move around like in warm ups.
Like in warm ups you say, Okay, that guy's different,
right there.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
For a big dude to be as nimble as he is,
he raised a lot of problems, as you're gonna see
by the pressure chart. It's just it's it's really impressive
what he does with his size. You don't see a
lot of guys able to move the way he does
with power, with pure of power and can still move
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and hit your edge. Uh you know, And that right
there is what you're looking for. That's the prototypical de tackle.
If you're talking about you want to you want a
guy to anger your defense. You want a guy that
can play like a nose, but then also play like
a pass rushing three tech. And that's what you're getting,
Dexter Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
So is it because of his size, Because I know
that you've had some time at knows as well.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Hate it is you guys that love playing nose. I
never played nose and you played. I mean, but I
don't remember ever talking to a guy that he's like,
oh man, it's the greatest thing in the world. Can
you get in there and just get pinballed by a
guard in his center on every single play?
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Like I would like it more if I played it
in more of a Cleveland defense the nose, because at
least we're generating forward probably you know, we're hitting it,
we're hitting gaps. When I played that here in Denver
with Vic and I was going side to side, man,
I was that was one of the worst times of
my life because it's it's just like like Day said,
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you're always getting hit by one or two people, at
least two people every play, and it's just it's uncomfortable
if you don't have that body type like a DJ Jones,
you know what I mean. DJ might not be three thirty,
but he's stout and strong enough that he can do that.
We have two completely different body types. I like to
get I like to go upfield more than I guess
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a lot of other people do. But man like I
doesn't think DJ is great at that? Yeah, great at
that because it's it's a skill. Like playing that nose
is a true skill because you have to know how
to go from being physical to getting skinny and hit
the edges right after popping somebody. Somebody come hits your hip,
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they leave you, you get off the block. And I've
seen DJ doing a bunch of times go and make
the play and it takes a special type of play
and I couldn't do it. And so that's why I
I always get kudos to the ones that can.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So is is Dexter Lawrence one of one like because
he's crossing a trade like is he as far as
you view like those times mean that number by itself,
the pressures is what it is. I guess I'm not
saying I thought they were all sort of interchangeable because
I know what really good ones. But I always again
I thought v to A was like, that's what I
think about the pro typical nose tackle. That's the dude,
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and this guy has seventy more pressures than he does.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I've got to be honest about it. I haven't spent
any time studying nose tackles, okay, but I have seen
and called enough football to know that Dexter Lawrence is
a wrecking house. Although Vidavea I think is similar in
terms of like how he plays. I think if you
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talk to offensive lineman when they play Tampa, I mean,
that's that's the name, they'll come up a lot. Yeah, right,
Vitave is like, Okay, he's he's not a lot of
fun to play against. He's active, he's big, big, tough,
so yeah, but Dexter, to me, that's why I thought
it was a little bit funny yesterday when Ian said,
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you know, Dexel Lawrence didn't have a very good year
last year, and I'm thinking, would there be team I'm
not disputing that, But would there be teams out there
that would look at Dexter Lawrence played last year and say, Nope,
not doing not gonna take that guy. I see. I
don't think so either. I think he will be coveted.
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And you know, it's just a matter of if the Giants,
you know, you got a new staff in with John Harbaugh,
you might replace. You might be after another veteran defensive
tackle somewhere in the league that currently's you know, maybe
out there and available. Maybe and uh so, maybe maybe
you make the best deal you can and move Dexean
Lawrence on. But there will be people that will be
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absolutely in hot, multiple.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
First round picks. You're talking about guys twenty eight years old,
multiple time off. Like this guy is a rare find
of someone that's going to be available. Like if you
do move on from him, you expect the King's Hall
for it. Like that's that's the type of player that
Dexter Lawrence is is just like we were talking about
Max Crosby, I'm expecting even more.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
For Dexter Lawrence. How about our stop stop, stop stop.
How's Dave's Nuggets doing? Stop the Nuggets last night? Down
sixteen in the fourth, find a way to come back,
win an overtime, second consecutive overtime victory.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Nine game winning streak, leave the NBA longest winning streak
in the NBA right now, nine games.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I was joker, not the front runner for MVP right now.
That guy, I'm just fatigued.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
You can't have that much fatigue where he doesn't get
it for a couple of years and he's still his
stats keep getting better and better and better, and I
get it. We you know, it's kind of like the
Kobe argument when people say that Steve Dash has one
of Kobe's MVPs. I truly believe that. I truly believe
that we are not we're being disingenuous. We have to
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understand that we've seen some of the best basketball that
is being played ever, and I want to sit there
and enjoy it. But I just, key, I don't understand
how he's not the front runner or fan VP.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Sure you do. I mean, first of all, we're here
in Denver, right so there's an East Coast bias because
they see a whole bunch more of games back there
than they do out here. There's a bias because he's
done it differently than anybody else that's been an MVP.
There hasn't been an MVP that has like looked like
him and had the game that he has. And it's
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a hard game unless you see it all the time
like we do, and we've come to appreciate it and
love it. But if you look at it like on
Sports Center, you know, highlights, it's it's hard to appreciate.
But I mean, he is, and I've said this before,
he's a generational talent. And I just hope that we
get a chance to see him play here in Denver
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for another whatever, however long he wants to do it, five, six,
seven years.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I hope he's averaging during this nine game win streak
twenty seven, fourteen and thirteen.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
How we doing twenty seven fourteen to thirteen average average
for nine games?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yes, most assistany's averaging a season in his career at
ten point nine, he's averaging a triple double.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Well, I mean, the guy who may finish second, may
finish second in the MVP balloting is Victor Wimbannam. Most
people that I've seen on a national basis that talk
about the MVP say, well, I love Wimbanyama. Because of
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his defensive ability. That's what really sets him apart in
terms of like why I'm voting for him to be
either first or second in the MVP voting. Joker took
him to the woodshed for like what he had forty
and and uh, you know, nine rebounds in fifteen. It's
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just even seeing him every not every game, it's still
remarkable to see this cat play. I remember he missed
was it fifteen? Not even fifteen games? I remember how
any games he missed in James, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
With the knee Injin yeah yeah, but that might have
heard him only because the team was still winning. And
I get it, though, ten and six without him, because
we don't they don't actually mean the most valuable player
we like, and that's where the questions come from. They
don't actually mean the most valuable player because the Nuggets,
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I get it. Nuggers went ten and six without him.
They stand no chance in the playoffs without to call
you at all. But the Spurs don't either. But our
team that can still compete would be the Thunder and
they would have they was. I think they could still
win the first round without SGA. Now after that it
would be a toss up.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
That they're getting tossed.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
But but then if you looking at Victim Wamayana, the
team is like seven and one without him. I think
Nicolayogus by far is the most valuable player to his
team in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
It's undeniable at this point for me.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
But the point is going to make is he missed
all those games, he's still right now leading the league
in double doubles, triple doubles, rebounds per game, assists per game.
He is number one in the NBA and assists per game.
He is sixth and plus minus seventh in points per game,
and tenth in field goal percentage.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
And he just does it in uh sort of fast.
He just goes out there and whoops everybody's ass. I
mean makes in credible shots like you know the fade away. Yeah,
it's like that's a shot like you would try in
a game of horse, Like I'm gonna shoot this high enough,
(27:13):
it'll top touch the top of the backboard and they'll
drop in. He makes shots like that, almost done, irregular,
I still my face.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I mean there's also great shots, but the one he
did over Anthony Davis in the playoffs. See as the
Lakers are from the beyond the arc at the top
of the I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, he didn't want to start laughing, started laughing. Yeah,
it basically won the game, and Lakers and and even
even Lebron had to just start what can you do?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
But that's also I think part of his problem is
that he's not an athletically flashy player, and so you
don't expect a player who's putting up these numbers to
do with five inches from the ground, like you know
what I mean, like this, like he does these things
against athletic players and dominates them like you as you
(28:00):
talking about against against You've seen it against Anthony Davis.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
You've seen it.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
He does it against far superior athletic players, and he's
still constantly produces, like you can't ask for anything better.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
You get a little worried, aren't you? And you have
to be worried about what I have been rooting for
the worried. You pick Minnesota in Oak City, and even
you're certainly worried about Minnesota, but even Oak City and
they'll have the first seed. You're getting a little bit
concerned about. Oh my goodness, I guess.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
If there's any concern, it's this twist I might be
narrative that you're going to try to display in front
of everybody.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I don't have to display anything. You're you know, people
actually listen to the show, so let's not get this twisted.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
People.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
People know exactly that you have been an Oklahoma City
fan and you were scared of Minnesota a couple of
years ago. Remember that I was here for that. You
were there, We were all here and people listening in
the show.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
It's okay, you want to give some love to Aaron
Gordon before we hit two shots at the end, the
three from the corner.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Which was the two but right, uh and I think
they gave it one that broke the tie. Yeah yeah,
and then they came down and tied the game. Yeah right.
And then and then Joker had like a hook and
then like it just a put back and grab his head,
you know, man. But it's it's so fun. The key
(29:29):
again is getting everybody healthy. It looks like, I mean,
I'm anxious to hear about what if we hear what
the update is. I'm Peyton Watson. I do. I mean,
I think they need that due to be available and
able to play.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
No, but the issue, and I guess I've seen it.
And it's a questionable thing to say, but Aaron Gordon
actually might be the most valuable player of the Nuggets.
Absolutely when he's in there, it's a complete difference. He
does everything. You see a different effort from everybody around.
You see that veteran presence that they know he's going
to go hard, so we gotta go hard too. And
(30:02):
I think you saw the team fall apart bornher. Aaron
Gordon was hurt than necessarily compared to when Nicole Yakus
was hurt.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
The text line, Dave, you can't be surprised that moral victory.
Ryan was just happy to get the cover from Yukon
last night. And when they gladly accepts one run losses
in baseball as a pseudo victory, what do you expect?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Oh, by the way, the Rockies hit a big win
last About the Rockies. That was a big one. Hey,
you must understand my entire arguments. But nobody saw it.
Not really, No, they didn't really do.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
First of all, on top of it, I had no
real rooting interest in Yukon versus Michigan.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I just wanted to see a good game.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
But as it got later, then I got excited about
the cover, which was much more interesting to me at
that point than the game outcome last night.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, last night, and last night was still Monday, right, indeed,
and we'll figure out who wins the week by Friday.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Theoretically, yes, enough said okay, but then with the Rockies,
very quickly with the Rockies, understand, this is me being optimistic.
This is me saying watching these games be competitive, which
again the Rockies over the last few years, even last
night as an example, I think, down three to nothing,
how many games have we watched over the last few years,
but they just lose that game.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
It's like, hey, they're already difference in last night's game.
They came back to win. So if they so, they're
down three to nothing. So if they would have scored
a run in the fourth and a run in the
eighth and lost three to two, that would have been
a victory for you. Yeah you pause, you paused. I mean,
(31:32):
it was everything I think.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
What was impressive to me not they had the eight
run inning and then and then actually the Astros came
back and a couple more runs and made it interesting
there in the night. They had a couple of base runners,
they held them off. My point was watching them, even
in some of these close losses is encouraging. That's really
what I was coming from in my original.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
You were the one. That's when when I said moral victory,
you agreed with that term.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I agree with it because I know there's no other
way to describe it other than l You.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Either win or you lose. That's you know what you
can you can feel like you're making progress, but you
either win or you lose. We're looking for progress all
the time. You can, you can make progress in a loss,
but it's still a lost. It's not a moral victory.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah, but he gets painted with this broad brush of like, wow,
you're a losing team records, I know, but but you've
been one nineteen losses, Like.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
So yes, it's good, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I mean, that's that's into the end of the season
conversations I'm talking about right now, in the midst of
are you on the right trudience?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I'm simply trying to establish what your mindset is on this.
I just you're I mean, you're all you're like a
Miller month and his still let me take a stab
at this. Not a great idiot, Thank you Jesus. I've
thought about what I mean, you've seen they're all over
the place. Man.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
No, but I think when it comes to the Rockies,
you know, anything is better than last year. And right
now there are four and six, and even though they
are under five hundred, that's a positive for this.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I don't disagree with it. With four losses coming by
one run, they're playing better. Now you lose, you lose
me on that. Though they're playing better baseball, I'm with you.
Uh is encouraging. I'm with that. And then here you
chime in and for those losses are by one, that
doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
They lost those games. Yeah, losses a loss, So I
will go with David Matt. But it is encouraging though,
because they're not just those four wins are against quality opponents.
Quality opponents. It's not just like, oh yeah the Miami Marlins,
who actually are also pre get hurt. Yeah, who swept
(33:46):
the Rockies.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah yeah, Phillies were a good team too.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Exactly, The Phillies were a good team. The Astros are
a good team. So they're winning against some real good
talent right now. So it is a reason to be optimist.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
We're still four and six and those one run losses
are just that, just.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
The saying that you are what your record says you are.
I think doesn't apply here, that's all.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
It doesn't apply. It does not. I'm gonna go get
a couple of orange slices. I'll be back. I would
love some orange slices. You've had enough in your life.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
When we come back, Coach Prime turning over new leaf,
maybe we'll get to it.
Hey man, our team was one last night. I'm in
a I'm in a fantastic move, Dave, good to see you.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Hello, Hello, Hello, What's what's the artist that does it? Hello?
Isn't that? Uh no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
That's another hello? And there's a litel Richie's Hello. Yeah,
that's a classic one. But I was thinking of I
don't know, mister Neil Diamond, isn't it he does the hello?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking. That's look
at you. That's the whole school, so start, Yes, he is, well,
Diamond would be like night or eighty five.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
That's very very nice. So I bet he still could
go like as far. I imagine he's got.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Some sort of uh illness of some sort of oh really,
I couldn't remember what it was, and I remember reading
about it while back at that movie recently with you Jackman.
I saw that wasn't any good really, you know, it
was not a movie about uh Neil Diamond. It was
about the group that covered Neil Diamond. So but wait
(01:04):
a minute, Hugh Jackman was good. Okay, Yeah, it wasn't
really about Neil Diamond. It was about the group that
covered all of Neil Diamond. Songs.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
You tell me you watched the preview for that, and
we have a lot to get to.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I understand. People are like, what what we're doing here?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
You watched that preview, I imagine before you went and saw
the movie.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yes, yes, I did. No, it was it was it
was good.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
It looked like a biopic. And then it wasn't a
biopic bio you mean a biopick a biopic? Yeah, I
thought I was hearing something wrong.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I'm like, it's biopics. You're right, You're.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Right, Okay, there's something wrong. That's all I'm sitting here, like,
was a biopick from Connect? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, I'll do Mexico. We pronounced it's time, It's about time. Yeah, exactly. Well,
last night, so we crowned a national champion, and more importantly,
the cover Yukon plus six and a half, that was
the more important aspect of that.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Right, you're lucky. You get a seventy six percent free
throw shooter who misses not one but two with like
thirty seconds to go. But that's all right, we split,
but the winner's split. Oh what it is? Okay?
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, all I know is is the cover was really
what my rooting interest was I mean, yeah, whatever happened,
I thought Michigan might win.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I just I knew in my heart, Dave, I knew
in my heart there was no way to Michigan victory
lap over Yukon, covering six and a half the.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Way.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
This is a guy that is not when's the last
I want to I want to ask you one question,
one serious question. When's the last time no bs that
you in in like in full swing competed, Like, what
was the last competitive thing that you, like, were involved?
(03:00):
Like pick a ball? Does? Like board game? Count? Is that? Like? Uh,
which which board game?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Like?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Which one?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Well, I mean there's like, you know, like the game Monopoly.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Actually I hate Monopoly. Always take games the Orange. That's
a good one. Yeah, that's a good one, but I'll
never play it ever again. So so other than a
board game, like a like like competed, Yeah, you know,
I will play golf every so often. I guess that. Okay,
compete against yourself, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
All right.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I just just was asking for a friend.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
I really really, because by the time the game got
to that late portion of it, you knew Michigan was
going to win, So then it really kind of in
my opinion, came down to Okay, and that became more
of my interest because I didn't think Ukon was going
to win.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's going to be a one point game with like
twenty eight seconds right now.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
I was under the belief, I'm like, God, Michigan is
going to win this game, but if Yukon comes back,
they're going to hit a buzzerbeater or within it. Like
that's what YU kinda is like instilled in my head.
It was just like, if they can make it a
close game on one shot game, they're with it. And
they slowly started chipping away at it at the end
and they almost did get it. Like you said, if
(04:18):
they hit that three, where we might be talking about
a different national champion at this point. Because Michigan was
struggling scoring. They were struggling pretty much the whole game.
They struggled. Both teams were really good on defense. I mean,
that was under the total bike quite a bit. But
can we talk about how there's such a drastic difference
(04:39):
now between college talent and NBA talent. I'm watching that
game yesterday and I'm like, how many of these kids
can play in the NBA? And I didn't see many,
but like that's the difference though. I guess now with
college basketball and NIO is you got people going to
stick around forever, and those are going to be the
better teams, but the team's actually necessarily.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Might have the better player. Michigan. Michigan's gonna have a couple, right, Yeah,
seven due to make a roster, and make a roster.
He's a boy who was hurt, uh Linden, I mean
he'll be He's probably a mid first round pick. What
(05:21):
about Yukont Caravan might make as he's a freshman.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Oh yeah, Well, I mean I'm not now I'm saying
like at some points, but.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
It's just from what I'm looking at, these teams, they
may be better teams now with a guy, you have
a lot of the players staying longer. But man, for me,
it was a drastic difference between NBA talent and college
talent and that and that showed it. And again I
was a great college guy. I loved watching it. I
(05:53):
love defensive games. I love it when they're competing and
it's not a complete blowout. But can you out telling
me that a lot of those players can play in
the NBA? Well, and that's why these older players in
the NBA are sticking around for so long because the
younger players are just not fitting the bill. You're looking
good for you. You're listening to exactly. I always keep
(06:15):
saying that, like the college game has changed so much
that I will always have a job because there's not
many de tackles nowadays that play physical and and do
the little things right. Speaking of you always having a job,
what you're doing, you know, I'm about to be. I'm
(06:36):
unemployed at the moment, not for long. Unemployed at the moment,
but we'll see, uh long, we'll remember what I said. Yeah,
we will revisit this and a couple before a couple
of weeks, about five days. What's to this day? I'd say,
give it a month. I'm enjoying my freedom right now.
(06:57):
It won't be a month. I'm enjoying my freedom right now.
Give you an give.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Them well, I mean, as we know, and I don't
know if this is I'm not saying anything out of
turn here because I don't know specifics, but we know
that there are a lot of teams because the compensatory
pick formula will wait until after the draft, like like
the Broncos for example, with JFM are a perfect or
a perfect one.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Even George Peyton said, we don't want to mess with that.
We want to keep our fourth rounder for next year.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
And that's the biggest thing. So they're just teams are
starting to get these draft picks, and that's a changing
the way they're approaching free agency. And it's it's kind of,
I would say, an unintended consequence of the last CBA
adding this compressentory pick strategy into it. But now teams
go at a pause. It's like that first wave for
(07:43):
free agency. Then they wait till after the draft. You
might add somebody little here and there, but you hear it,
we really want to keep this four round pare I'm
we want to keep this third round pick. Maybe it
won't matter. But the coolest burrow is Brooklyn. It's I'm
just had friends that lived there. You know. If that
(08:05):
wasn't out, if it ended happen. Let's say I do
go to New York or whatever it'd.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Be in.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And I'm not Jersey City.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
No, no, no, no, not not where every team stays
in the Western In Jersey City, no.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
No, no way. I mean that's where the Broncos state
in Super Bowl fifty. Ah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
The John Harbaugh actually was talking to the media today
speaking of the Giants and he had a couple of
interesting moments.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
He was talking about Dexter Larrence.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I actually a really fun Dexter Warren's stat that I
want to get to you guys with the second. But
this was John Harbaugh talking about how everybody is tradable
in the world.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
And because he was asked about the Keevon Thibodeau.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
I think he's a great player. I'm excited about him
as far up to see him today. He looks great,
it's in great shape, and I'm thinking about him on
the field. I'm thinking about getting plugged into our defense
and getting him rolling. I think, you know, you want
to talk about like wells he get trade possibility. Everybody
is tradeable, everybody you know, even you're a tradeable Dan,
we will get something for you.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
You're trade in a heartbeat, man.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
But yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Not really what you focus on.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
You focus on the fact that we're having a day,
we're talking ball, we're getting our team is coming together
there as a team. And the business part of it,
you know, is the business card and that it kind
of swirls around us.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
But we try to lock in on the football.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
It's such an interesting thing, right, I Mean, he's obviously
a head coach, but you get dropped into a new situation,
you get excited about the players that you do acquire,
and it's a constantly moving situation, right. I mean, yes,
the Jeff Hafley, it was the new Dolphins head coach,
and we have some sound from him that I want
to get to a little bit. But he was talking
about the players in the building and still getting to
(09:44):
know them, Like when you're a new coach and you're
coming into this situation. Yeah, I mean, you've seen these
guys on tape, you don't know them personally. I mean,
at least that's the vibe I get from Harbaugh as
well as from Halfley. It's like, yeah, I don't even
know what kind of team I really have, which is
pretty wild. Think about the NFL and what we do
talking about it all the time.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, I mean I think I think it will take
It'll take a little bit of time for John Harbaugh
and his staff to sort of not dictate the terms,
but to convey to the team, Listen, this is what
we're looking for, right, this is the process we're gonna
(10:27):
put in place, and you know, hard work is going
to be important. There's all sorts of things that I
think you have to stipulate, even more so when you're
a new head coach. But frankly, I mean there's such
turnover on rosters every single year. I mean normally, you know,
thirty percent of your roster is going to change. So
even if you're not a new coach, but a coach
(10:48):
that has been at a particular place for two or
three seasons, you've got to convey to all those newcats, like,
here's how we do things. That's why I think leadership
amongst the players is so critical, because it's easier for
those leaders in the locker room to look at a
young dude and say, bro, here's here's how we do it.
(11:09):
This is not what we do other than rather than
a head coach or an assistant coach.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Man going off of what Daves just said, It's funny
because when I got traded to the Seahawks, you know,
they had this thing cast the Seahawks way, and obviously
it's just things ways they do things. Compete, you know,
well compete, but like it was something simple as we're
coming off the field, of practice. You know, it was
my first day of practice, and I think I walked off.
(11:36):
I like walked my way off the field, like I
didn't jog all the way off the field. And I
remember Quandary Diggs It's like, Yo, we don't do that here.
We don't do that here. We jog off the field.
And for some reason that stuck with me even to
this day because now I don't let anyon want to
walk off the field. It's like, oh, we jog off
the field. It's you know, it's that's why you need
those veterans like days, that you need those guys in there,
(11:58):
because what Harbo's that was true. Anybody can get traded,
Trust me, I don't. Anybody can get traded. And so
it's a matter of you know, well, obviously what you're
gonna get back in return, But then you gotta obviously
keep those guys who are the culture builders. You have
to keep those guys who set the tone for the
rest of the team and really for the young guys,
(12:20):
to let them know this is how we do things
here and anything less it's unacceptable. And you can and
you can be gone at any any moment if you're
not going to fall fall in line with what we
want to do.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
I did think about you, Dave, when he said anybody
can be traded. It reminded me of that was one
of the days a few weeks ago when you opened
the show You're all all replaceable?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yea, all replaceable. I mean there's not been a guy
that has played in the NFL for more than a
minute that did not have it like smashed into your
brain stem that you are replaceable. We'll get somebody else
in here. It doesn't that your name plate will not
(13:00):
be your name plate tomorrow. It'll be somebody else's name
in your name plate's place. So that's part of what
makes the NFL successful because they breed insecurity and they
like it. They feel like they get more out of
their players if the players, you know, just every single
day think to themselves as they drive in, Hey, if
(13:22):
I don't get my best effort, if I don't play
well today, there's a chance I won't be here tomorrow.
That's a little bit of an overstatement, but not entirely,
you know, an overstatement.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
That's just how the league functions. Well, I'll go back
to my rookie year I was in Oakland. I was
my first three games, I was an active and active
so I was on the fifty three, but I wasn't
one of the forty six. And I remember I can't
remember who he had just played. But we got home
and we had practice that Wednesday, and I've just started
going through the motion and I might, man, screw this,
(13:53):
and you know, having a little timber tantrum, you could say, like, man,
screw this. So I'm not I'm not going hard. They're
not even playing me. They cut my ass the next
day and put me on practice squad like that's this
And this is also what you need vets for this
to relay to them that this can happen to anybody
at any moment. You're not guaranteed a spot here, and
(14:17):
you got to go prove it. You got to go
earn it every day and so like that. That's the
thing is, there's no loyalty in this game. If you're
going to go out there and not give them full effort,
you're going to go out there and kind of go
through the motions. The big the one saying that always
come to mind about the NFL is they're trying to
replace you the minute you get in the league. And
(14:37):
that has been ingrained in my head since I got
in the league and since that moment, and I obviously
I've made the most out of my career. But there's
a lot of guys that go through that and they
don't have to play again. So that's the hard part
about the league is it's a professional league or with
real emotions, and so you have to be able to
mix it. You have to be able to really keep
(14:59):
it separate.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, I mean I've heard from almost every other NFL
player talking about playing with emotion as part of the game, right,
I mean, that's kind of how it gets you fired
up for it.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
So Harbaugh was.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Obviously asked about Tivideau. He's also asked about Dexter Lawrence,
who's one of the premier defensive tackles nose tackles in
the league. I was thinking about this because this Warsharpe
put out this pretty wild stat about how many pressures
he's had since twenty twenty two. When you think about
like the best defensive tackles in the game, like Vita
Vea is a name that comes to mind right there
with Tampa Bay. He said, thirty two pressures since twenty
(15:32):
twenty two. DJ Jones is on this list. He has
twenty eight pressures since twenty twenty two. DJs Reider also
twenty eight. Jordan Davis as twenty six. For example, Dester
Lawrence is one hundred and eight. Is one hundred eight pressures.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Well, if you remember that year he got hurt, he
was on a tear. He had nine sacks and I
think in like thirteen or fourteen games, and he was unstoppable,
unstoppable guy you really had the game plan for or
he was. He's a game wrecker. And so is he
number one?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Anothers oh yeah, bye? I mean who's number two?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Number two was Vidavea at thirty two. So since twenty
twenty two, it's Dexter Lawrence at one hundred and eights
and then Vida Vea, who I consider one of the
premier nose tackles, all the way down thirty two. It's
pretty pretty wild. So I guess the question I have
for both of you guys, and I'll start with Dave here.
So when it comes to a player that is that prolific,
(16:30):
he's obviously very good.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
To Shelby's point, he's obviously very good.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Is he a function of the system the players around
him to put numbers up like that, or.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Is it just that dude? Is that dude both? I mean,
you're you're always, to a certain degree a part of
the system, right and you have to have guys playing
alongside you in that position that are going to understand
what their role is and at times they're gonna they're
(17:02):
gonna be called to do things where you can shine
and at times you're gonna be called to do the
very same thing. So but I've always thought Dexter Lawrence
just from an athletic standpoint, I mean, there are very
few humans in the world that are that size and
that athletic. I mean Shelby's athletic, but not as not
(17:24):
as big. Dexter Lawrence is a very huge, huge human being.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
He has sixty pounds on me, and he moves like
he feels like, oh man, he the true athletes.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You just watch him move around like in warm ups.
Like in warm ups you say, Okay, that guy's different,
right there.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
For a big dude to be as nimble as he is,
he raised a lot of problems, as you're gonna see
by the pressure chart. It's just it's it's really impressive
what he does with his size. You don't see a
lot of guys able to move the way he does
with power, with pure of power and can still move
(18:04):
and hit your edge. Uh you know, And that right
there is what you're looking for. That's the prototypical de tackle.
If you're talking about you want to you want a
guy to anger your defense. You want a guy that
can play like a nose, but then also play like
a pass rushing three tech. And that's what you're getting,
Dexter Lawrence.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
So is it because of his size, Because I know
that you've had some time at knows as well.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Hate it is you guys that love playing nose. I
never played nose and you played. I mean, but I
don't remember ever talking to a guy that he's like,
oh man, it's the greatest thing in the world. Can
you get in there and just get pinballed by a
guard in his center on every single play?
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Like I would like it more if I played it
in more of a Cleveland defense the nose, because at
least we're generating forward probably you know, we're hitting it,
we're hitting gaps. When I played that here in Denver
with Vic and I was going side to side, man,
I was that was one of the worst times of
my life because it's it's just like like Day said,
(19:03):
you're always getting hit by one or two people, at
least two people every play, and it's just it's uncomfortable
if you don't have that body type like a DJ Jones,
you know what I mean. DJ might not be three thirty,
but he's stout and strong enough that he can do that.
We have two completely different body types. I like to
get I like to go upfield more than I guess
(19:25):
a lot of other people do. But man like I
doesn't think DJ is great at that? Yeah, great at
that because it's it's a skill. Like playing that nose
is a true skill because you have to know how
to go from being physical to getting skinny and hit
the edges right after popping somebody. Somebody come hits your hip,
(19:49):
they leave you, you get off the block. And I've
seen DJ doing a bunch of times go and make
the play and it takes a special type of play
and I couldn't do it. And so that's why I
I always get kudos to the ones that can.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
So is is Dexter Lawrence one of one like because
he's crossing a trade like is he as far as
you view like those times mean that number by itself,
the pressures is what it is. I guess I'm not
saying I thought they were all sort of interchangeable because
I know what really good ones. But I always again
I thought v to A was like, that's what I
think about the pro typical nose tackle. That's the dude,
(20:23):
and this guy has seventy more pressures than he does.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I've got to be honest about it. I haven't spent
any time studying nose tackles, okay, but I have seen
and called enough football to know that Dexter Lawrence is
a wrecking house. Although Vidavea I think is similar in
terms of like how he plays. I think if you
(20:48):
talk to offensive lineman when they play Tampa, I mean,
that's that's the name, they'll come up a lot. Yeah, right,
Vitave is like, Okay, he's he's not a lot of
fun to play against. He's active, he's big, big, tough,
so yeah, but Dexter, to me, that's why I thought
it was a little bit funny yesterday when Ian said,
(21:10):
you know, Dexel Lawrence didn't have a very good year
last year, and I'm thinking, would there be team I'm
not disputing that, But would there be teams out there
that would look at Dexter Lawrence played last year and say, Nope,
not doing not gonna take that guy. I see. I
don't think so either. I think he will be coveted.
(21:30):
And you know, it's just a matter of if the Giants,
you know, you got a new staff in with John Harbaugh,
you might replace. You might be after another veteran defensive
tackle somewhere in the league that currently's you know, maybe
out there and available. Maybe and uh so, maybe maybe
you make the best deal you can and move Dexean
Lawrence on. But there will be people that will be
(21:52):
absolutely in hot, multiple.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
First round picks. You're talking about guys twenty eight years old,
multiple time off. Like this guy is a rare find
of someone that's going to be available. Like if you
do move on from him, you expect the King's Hall
for it. Like that's that's the type of player that
Dexter Lawrence is is just like we were talking about
Max Crosby, I'm expecting even more.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
For Dexter Lawrence. How about our stop stop, stop stop.
How's Dave's Nuggets doing? Stop the Nuggets last night? Down
sixteen in the fourth, find a way to come back,
win an overtime, second consecutive overtime victory.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Nine game winning streak, leave the NBA longest winning streak
in the NBA right now, nine games.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I was joker, not the front runner for MVP right now.
That guy, I'm just fatigued.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
You can't have that much fatigue where he doesn't get
it for a couple of years and he's still his
stats keep getting better and better and better, and I
get it. We you know, it's kind of like the
Kobe argument when people say that Steve Dash has one
of Kobe's MVPs. I truly believe that. I truly believe
that we are not we're being disingenuous. We have to
(23:13):
understand that we've seen some of the best basketball that
is being played ever, and I want to sit there
and enjoy it. But I just, key, I don't understand
how he's not the front runner or fan VP.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Sure you do. I mean, first of all, we're here
in Denver, right so there's an East Coast bias because
they see a whole bunch more of games back there
than they do out here. There's a bias because he's
done it differently than anybody else that's been an MVP.
There hasn't been an MVP that has like looked like
him and had the game that he has. And it's
(23:47):
a hard game unless you see it all the time
like we do, and we've come to appreciate it and
love it. But if you look at it like on
Sports Center, you know, highlights, it's it's hard to appreciate.
But I mean, he is, and I've said this before,
he's a generational talent. And I just hope that we
get a chance to see him play here in Denver
(24:09):
for another whatever, however long he wants to do it, five, six,
seven years.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I hope he's averaging during this nine game win streak
twenty seven, fourteen and thirteen.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
How we doing twenty seven fourteen to thirteen average average
for nine games?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yes, most assistany's averaging a season in his career at
ten point nine, he's averaging a triple double.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Well, I mean, the guy who may finish second, may
finish second in the MVP balloting is Victor Wimbannam. Most
people that I've seen on a national basis that talk
about the MVP say, well, I love Wimbanyama. Because of
(24:53):
his defensive ability. That's what really sets him apart in
terms of like why I'm voting for him to be
either first or second in the MVP voting. Joker took
him to the woodshed for like what he had forty
and and uh, you know, nine rebounds in fifteen. It's
(25:15):
just even seeing him every not every game, it's still
remarkable to see this cat play. I remember he missed
was it fifteen? Not even fifteen games? I remember how
any games he missed in James, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
With the knee Injin yeah yeah, but that might have
heard him only because the team was still winning. And
I get it, though, ten and six without him, because
we don't they don't actually mean the most valuable player
we like, and that's where the questions come from. They
don't actually mean the most valuable player because the Nuggets,
(25:55):
I get it. Nuggers went ten and six without him.
They stand no chance in the playoffs without to call
you at all. But the Spurs don't either. But our
team that can still compete would be the Thunder and
they would have they was. I think they could still
win the first round without SGA. Now after that it
would be a toss up.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
That they're getting tossed.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
But but then if you looking at Victim Wamayana, the
team is like seven and one without him. I think
Nicolayogus by far is the most valuable player to his
team in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
It's undeniable at this point for me.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
But the point is going to make is he missed
all those games, he's still right now leading the league
in double doubles, triple doubles, rebounds per game, assists per game.
He is number one in the NBA and assists per game.
He is sixth and plus minus seventh in points per game,
and tenth in field goal percentage.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
And he just does it in uh sort of fast.
He just goes out there and whoops everybody's ass. I
mean makes in credible shots like you know the fade away. Yeah,
it's like that's a shot like you would try in
a game of horse, Like I'm gonna shoot this high enough,
(27:13):
it'll top touch the top of the backboard and they'll
drop in. He makes shots like that, almost done, irregular,
I still my face.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
I mean there's also great shots, but the one he
did over Anthony Davis in the playoffs. See as the
Lakers are from the beyond the arc at the top
of the I mean.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Yeah, he didn't want to start laughing, started laughing. Yeah,
it basically won the game, and Lakers and and even
even Lebron had to just start what can you do?
Speaker 3 (27:38):
But that's also I think part of his problem is
that he's not an athletically flashy player, and so you
don't expect a player who's putting up these numbers to
do with five inches from the ground, like you know
what I mean, like this, like he does these things
against athletic players and dominates them like you as you
(28:00):
talking about against against You've seen it against Anthony Davis.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
You've seen it.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
He does it against far superior athletic players, and he's
still constantly produces, like you can't ask for anything better.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
You get a little worried, aren't you? And you have
to be worried about what I have been rooting for
the worried. You pick Minnesota in Oak City, and even
you're certainly worried about Minnesota, but even Oak City and
they'll have the first seed. You're getting a little bit
concerned about. Oh my goodness, I guess.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
If there's any concern, it's this twist I might be
narrative that you're going to try to display in front
of everybody.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I don't have to display anything. You're you know, people
actually listen to the show, so let's not get this twisted.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
People.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
People know exactly that you have been an Oklahoma City
fan and you were scared of Minnesota a couple of
years ago. Remember that I was here for that. You
were there, We were all here and people listening in
the show.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
It's okay, you want to give some love to Aaron
Gordon before we hit two shots at the end, the
three from the corner.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Which was the two but right, uh and I think
they gave it one that broke the tie. Yeah yeah,
and then they came down and tied the game. Yeah right.
And then and then Joker had like a hook and
then like it just a put back and grab his head,
you know, man. But it's it's so fun. The key
(29:29):
again is getting everybody healthy. It looks like, I mean,
I'm anxious to hear about what if we hear what
the update is. I'm Peyton Watson. I do. I mean,
I think they need that due to be available and
able to play.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
No, but the issue, and I guess I've seen it.
And it's a questionable thing to say, but Aaron Gordon
actually might be the most valuable player of the Nuggets.
Absolutely when he's in there, it's a complete difference. He
does everything. You see a different effort from everybody around.
You see that veteran presence that they know he's going
to go hard, so we gotta go hard too. And
(30:02):
I think you saw the team fall apart bornher. Aaron
Gordon was hurt than necessarily compared to when Nicole Yakus
was hurt.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
The text line, Dave, you can't be surprised that moral victory.
Ryan was just happy to get the cover from Yukon
last night. And when they gladly accepts one run losses
in baseball as a pseudo victory, what do you expect?
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Oh, by the way, the Rockies hit a big win
last About the Rockies. That was a big one. Hey,
you must understand my entire arguments. But nobody saw it.
Not really, No, they didn't really do.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
First of all, on top of it, I had no
real rooting interest in Yukon versus Michigan.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I just wanted to see a good game.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
But as it got later, then I got excited about
the cover, which was much more interesting to me at
that point than the game outcome last night.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, last night, and last night was still Monday, right, indeed,
and we'll figure out who wins the week by Friday.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Theoretically, yes, enough said okay, but then with the Rockies,
very quickly with the Rockies, understand, this is me being optimistic.
This is me saying watching these games be competitive, which
again the Rockies over the last few years, even last
night as an example, I think, down three to nothing,
how many games have we watched over the last few years,
but they just lose that game.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
It's like, hey, they're already difference in last night's game.
They came back to win. So if they so, they're
down three to nothing. So if they would have scored
a run in the fourth and a run in the
eighth and lost three to two, that would have been
a victory for you. Yeah you pause, you paused. I mean,
(31:32):
it was everything I think.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
What was impressive to me not they had the eight
run inning and then and then actually the Astros came
back and a couple more runs and made it interesting
there in the night. They had a couple of base runners,
they held them off. My point was watching them, even
in some of these close losses is encouraging. That's really
what I was coming from in my original.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
You were the one. That's when when I said moral victory,
you agreed with that term.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I agree with it because I know there's no other
way to describe it other than l You.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Either win or you lose. That's you know what you
can you can feel like you're making progress, but you
either win or you lose. We're looking for progress all
the time. You can, you can make progress in a loss,
but it's still a lost. It's not a moral victory.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah, but he gets painted with this broad brush of like, wow,
you're a losing team records, I know, but but you've
been one nineteen losses, Like.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
So yes, it's good, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I mean, that's that's into the end of the season
conversations I'm talking about right now, in the midst of
are you on the right trudience?
Speaker 2 (32:41):
I'm simply trying to establish what your mindset is on this.
I just you're I mean, you're all you're like a
Miller month and his still let me take a stab
at this. Not a great idiot, Thank you Jesus. I've
thought about what I mean, you've seen they're all over
the place. Man.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
No, but I think when it comes to the Rockies,
you know, anything is better than last year. And right
now there are four and six, and even though they
are under five hundred, that's a positive for this.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I don't disagree with it. With four losses coming by
one run, they're playing better. Now you lose, you lose
me on that. Though they're playing better baseball, I'm with you.
Uh is encouraging. I'm with that. And then here you
chime in and for those losses are by one, that
doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
They lost those games. Yeah, losses a loss, So I
will go with David Matt. But it is encouraging though,
because they're not just those four wins are against quality opponents.
Quality opponents. It's not just like, oh yeah the Miami Marlins,
who actually are also pre get hurt. Yeah, who swept
(33:46):
the Rockies.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah yeah, Phillies were a good team too.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Exactly, The Phillies were a good team. The Astros are
a good team. So they're winning against some real good
talent right now. So it is a reason to be optimist.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
We're still four and six and those one run losses
are just that, just.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
The saying that you are what your record says you are.
I think doesn't apply here, that's all.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
It doesn't apply. It does not. I'm gonna go get
a couple of orange slices. I'll be back. I would
love some orange slices. You've had enough in your life.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
When we come back, Coach Prime turning over new leaf,
maybe we'll get to it.
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