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Speaker 1 (00:00):
With the KWA comments for a health highline and bring
on Jake Plummer joining us, Dave Logan, Ryan Edwards and
Rick Lewis my friend.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Always good to catch up with you. How are you?

Speaker 3 (00:08):
I'm good? How you guys do it?

Speaker 4 (00:09):
Sneak is loose like all the time. I think, don't
you think, Jacob?

Speaker 3 (00:13):
As long as I'm not as long as I'm not slop,
that's it.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
That's it. That's exactly right. Hey, I want I want
to jump right in. You know, the Broncos make a decision. Uh,
Champagne is not going to be the primary play caller.
It's going to be Davis Webb. And just from your
perspective as a quarterback in the league, when maybe a
position coach that you get very very familiar with now

(00:43):
has another role, does the relationship you have with that
coach does that change a little bit? Or do you
suspect that things will be as they were last year
between Bo and Davis?

Speaker 3 (00:58):
I imagine there'll be as smooth and if if anything,
even better. You know, and I have I don't have
any real frame of reference to go from having a
quarterback coach that was promoted to O C. I always
had like a QB coach, and then we had good OC's,
you know, Marsh Trussman in Arizona, rich Olsen get here

(01:19):
I had. I didn't have a quarterback as a quarterback coach.
Pat McPherson was my quarterback coach. And uh, you know,
a QB room is a real special place. It's a
very tight knit group. There's got to be a lot
of honesty. Uh, there's got to be a lot of competition,
and there's also got to be a lot of vulnerability. So,
I mean, the relationship with Bo and and Davis is

(01:43):
obviously good. It's working, and even the other you know,
at the whole room, you know, it's a it's a
it's a real interesting dynamic. As you know, everybody wants
to start right, everybody wants that job, but you've got
to support the guy that's doing it. And Bo's been
doing a hell of a job. So when Davis has
up his responsibilities, he may not be in that room
as much. He may be in it at the most

(02:06):
important times. That's how Kubiak would he would bounce down.
We would install everything with tat we get everything going,
and Koubs would come in and dial it in right away.
Like bring straight clips that we needed to watch for
the week. He would go through any of the different
you know, protections or any new concepts or anything like
that in depth at his expertise level, and then he

(02:28):
would be out of the room. But there was a
great rapport with me and Koobs. There was a tremendous rapport.
I loved Koubs. He loved me. I loved how he
coached me. I loved when I knew I could just
look over and see him and he would be like,
he give me a look like, yo, come on, you
got to make those clothes right now. In practice, you're
you know you. There's just an understanding there. So the

(02:50):
relationship will be what it is. It's already strong and
has been you know, fourtified through these last couple of
years with Davis. Now have the ability to call more plays,
and I think it's going to be great because he
knows Bo better than coach Peyton, because he's been in
that room with him and in those meetings with him,
and in those vulnerable, tough moments where you're frustrated or

(03:12):
those exciting, ecstatic moments where you're celebrating. Webb's been right
there with Bo. Really creating a dynamic relationship. So I
feel like that'll only help in his play calling abilities.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Jake the Snake ORCS up brother, how you doing?

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, I'm good. It's good to hear you.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, man, good to hear you too.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
You YEA touched on this, but maybe explain it a
little further to football fans, Broncos fans, the relationship of
the quarterback coach in the quarterback that the quarterback coach
can be a buffer between the offensive coordinator and the
head coach. And I think in that case, Davis Webb

(03:54):
was really good for Bo because as we know Sean
Payton can be he can coach people hard, and especially
quarterbacks hard.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
So yeah, well, now when you bump.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
Davis Web up to OC, he's got a new quarterback
coach coming in that's gonna be working with him. Will
he be the buffer between Davis web and Bo?

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah? There. I mean, if you want to call it
a buffer or if you just want to call it
you know, your sounding board, your guy. The ability to
ask like the most simple day one installation question if
you may have a little like overload and go wait,
what what's a slant? You know? Like and the coach
isn't going to look at you and say, come on, bo,

(04:38):
you're supposed to know that, or what the hell are
you been doing it. He's gonna say, yeah, it's just
take two steps up and you're ain'tling forty five degree
or whatever. He's gonna break it down with with no judgment.
You know, So that whoever that quarterback coach is, it
has to be that guy that can answer all the questions,
has to know everything coming down from the top down.
So now it's gonna come from coach Peyton and Web

(05:00):
when they're developing and game planning and designing this offensive
strategy each week to week, and then it has to
be a person that can digest all that and and
relay it to bow one accurately and the intricacies of
the plays. So if it's a buffer, it's more of

(05:20):
a he is a buffer at times when you need
to like go in and ask a simple question. You
don't want to go bother the head coach with that.
He's got a lot of things on his plate. The
offensive coordinator same things, and have more things on his plate.
But your quarterback coach answers those simple questions, what's my
third read? On this play, you know, like it's okay
to ask those sometimes you just need that person there

(05:42):
to answer it. But he's also, like I said, he's
got to be able to relay the message from the
top down in a consistent manner. And that's where good
offenses flourish is when everybody's on the same page. It's
not a tight end coach teaching this and then you
go over and go, what the he Oh, you're teaching him?
You know, coach that this. You got to all be
on that same page, right and having your QB coach

(06:06):
on the same page with you there to answer the questions,
run you through progressions, be there in between. You know,
periods when you're overloaded at camp and like need someone
to like just bring it down a not you though,
that's what our quarterback coach comes in, because you're not
going to go bother the OC with that. You're not
going to bother coach Peyton with that. They got all
kinds of stuff on their plates. So a QB coach

(06:27):
is very important. You got to have a really good relationship,
a lot of trust, and hopefully you like the guy
and if you don't like him, hopefully he's just a
really damn good coach, and you can accept that maybe
he's an asshole, but he's a damn good coach. That yeah, Hey,
I don't mind it. Man, if you're not a nice
guy and you don't know how to treat people right,

(06:49):
as long as you coach me how to do my
job and I can go out there and have the
best chance to win, you know, I can accept that.
It's better though, when you do have someone that's good
and you get along with him, that's always good for
the whole.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Room, one hundred percent. Jake Plummer joining us here now.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Bernanda Mendozo is expected to go at the top of
the draft of the Raiders. They brought in Kirk Cousins
to I guess sort of mentor him, and it sounds
like the expectation and a plan is to have Kirk
Cousins start the season. I guess there's a circumstance that
Mendoza wins the competition. But what do you in general
think about giving young quarterbacks, rookie quarterbacks a season to
learn under a vet.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
You know, every coach has their own ways. I think
we've seen a lot of guys come in right away
and bo being one of them have immediate success. It
can happen. You know, it's definitely possible. I don't know,
you know why they would draft him number one if
they don't want to get him out there right now.
You know, for me, it's like you don't buy a

(07:46):
Ferrari and just set it in the garage and wait
till you learn how to drive properly or learn you know,
the traffic dies down, you know, you get out and
drive it. You know you're gonna draft this kid number one.
You throw it at him. See what he's got. That's
one of the best things for a young quarterback is
to be overwhelmed, overloaded to the point of like, oh
my god. And then you're going to see what he's

(08:07):
all about. Is he going to crack? Is he gonna crumble?
Or is he going to become a better leader by
putting his nose to the grindstone, working his ass off,
getting better, improving upon the plays he's not making him
practice during camp. Now you come out the next day, look,
oh man, we saw he did the work, and those
that did the work, this kid wants it. And that's
also you know, that's just part of that process. You know,

(08:29):
I didn't get thrown in right away, but I got
put in halfway through the year, and I was grateful because, uh,
the protections and schemes like that, we didn't. We ran
some protections at ASU, but not to the extent that
they run on the NFL field. When you're seeing multiple
defenses and you're getting to play against the Ravens defense.
Back then with Ray Lewis and Ed Reid, you know,

(08:50):
you had you had to have multiple protections. So my
head was swimming even when I finally got in. These
kids now they know a hell of a lot more
though they've been grew roomed. The game that they're growing
up playing has trickled up into the NFL, so there
is a little bit of an understanding or a little
bit more of an ease of being able to make

(09:11):
plays and functions as it was, you know, going from
college to the pros. Back when I came out, it
was a it was a really big jump. Now it's
not as big. There's a lot of the college game
trickled up, so these kids can't come in and we
see them have success. It's like Bo has had here
with the Broncos, Jake.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Ryan has taking a victory lap. Yes, I think, well,
you know, incorrectly. Oh no, here's here's what I had
said earlier. Ryan advocated starting Fernando Mendoza no matter what.
That's right, Okay, I said, if they don't think Fernando
Mendoza is ready to go week one, they're going to

(09:53):
start Kirk Cousins. If he's ready to go, then maybe
Ryan's advocating because these picks.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Number one overall, he starts no matter what.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, I don't know. We know the coach down there, right, yeah,
subiac another cuves Clint. He's doing a great job. And
what they did in Seattle was was I mean their
offense they had all the pieces right. The offense he's
running is phenomenal when you got all the pieces to

(10:25):
the puzzle. As we saw multiple playmakers, receivers catching everything,
turning you know, a simple screen into a forty yard
fifty yard seventy yard touchdown and running backs hit increases,
catching the ball of the backfield. It was very diverse
and dynamic. Was it a very complicated scheme? If he's
running you know, stuff that he obviously has gleamed from

(10:46):
his father, from Shanahan, from the West Coast style, it
does take some time it takes developing rhythm and timing
with your receivers. So you know Mendoza gets strapped, he's
gonna go right into it. And you know, every kid's
dream is coming true and you get that chance to
go out and make it in the NFL. There's nothing

(11:07):
bigger or better than the NFL. That's the top. And
so when he makes it, it's time for him to
get to work. From all I've seen from him, he
seems to be a great kid with his feet well
grounded and good people around him. Now it's just a
matter of him, you know, stepping up to the next level.
And the Jersey colors are probably similar to college. There's

(11:28):
just different names on him. And now these guys don't
make many mistakes. Those throwaway balls you could do and
back with the Hoosiers, they're probably going to be coming
back at you as an interception, So you know you
just have to dial it in. I think he'll be good.
I would play the guy. I would put him in
and play him. You know, you don't want to get
him hurt. But if you don't want to get him
hurt and then stop playing football, you know there's always that

(11:49):
risk you're not going to save his body by not
putting him in right away, and that learning curve that's quicker.
You can, you know, throw the feet in the fire. Obviously,
if he's steal if he's not as knowledgeable of the
game as we may think he is, then yeah, you
got to you gotta gauge that. But I think the
kids smart knows his stuff. And if you should be

(12:10):
able to come in by the way and play, then
he's gonna have Kirk Cousins there too. Who's going to
be that answer guy. He be that guy that's breaking
it down, breaking down the little simple thing possible, like
when we run trapped, right, do I spin out to
the left? Wait with my left shoulder or my right Like?
What am I doing here? Because those things come up
you just get overloaded. And so Kurt's been a great

(12:31):
quarterback in this league, a great human, very well you
know well known to be a very supportive teammate. So
I think that that's a good situation happened in there,
and I really, I really hope that the Raiders do
well just because of Coobs. I meant was a little
kid here when we were playing back in the day.
With it's great to see him as success.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
No doubt, brilliantly said I love your breakdown there says
said more or less everything I told Dave.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
So I always appreciate that. I didn't know. I didn't
you know you've been saying those things. I didn't see
you up for those kinds of things.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
But uh, I do appreciate the expertise of Jakes Lumber.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
I validated you then.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
That doesn't happen too often on the show.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
And hey, but I might not be right. So you
know you can't let put all all the eggs in
one bat. I mean, just because I said it doesn't
mean that's the case. It's just what I think. And
you know you can't refute that because I you know,
I played a lot of football, so I kind of
understand it. But I also may be wrong. Day.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
I appreciate you, man.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
I have a fantastic weekend. Look forward to checking with
you down road.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
Hey, right on, you guys have a good one to
take care of.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Jake, We'll see you. Thank you, Jake, Jake Plumber, I
love you.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
He's so good.
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