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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And that's how we intro our next guest or co host.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Today, Rick lewis, all right, that's my new walk up.
We just lay there with your butt up in the air.
You know what, that needs a little context?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I think No, I.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Feel like a weird way to open. I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Do you think it needs more context? Do you think
we're good?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yeah? I don't. I don't think.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
I think it needs a little context more than Rick's
voice saying you just lie there and put your butt
up to me.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, And I think minds will go crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I don't even remember what we were talking about when
you recorded.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
You want context, but you don't remember.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I remember. No, I really don't.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
No.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Good to see you guys though.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Man, always good to be here you uh, I.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Mean, I'll get you droll long to the text line.
Speaker 6 (00:47):
Text line is just still going at Dave on some
of this. There's some people that are now jumping to
your defense. Here, Dave on the basketball, let me jump.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
To his defense. They doesn't need any just say this.
I actually played in the game basketball game with Dave
back in the day. It was one of those like
media like all Star basketball games. Right, all the people
in the media played and Broncos. There were some Broncos
that played in the game as well, and Dave.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
That was a few years ago, and Dave was quite
a while ago dominated well the game.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Against not just media people but Broncos players that were
still in their prime.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I just want to throw that up. That was like probably.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Mid nineties maybe at the most, maybe early maybe even early. Yeah, yeah,
but still Dave was dunking on guy different generation.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, you, Dave's not dunking on guys anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well, I was going to advise you as your friend
and advisor, I wouldn't even try to dunk.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I never trust me on this.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I'm not going to I got out of a lengthy
athletic career and never had an achilles injury, which I'm
so pleased with, and I'm not about to see if
I can change that.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Okay, yeah, take the bait on that. No, No, I'm good.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
So what do you think today of the incredible news
that we found outs? I asked Gara Bowles about it
early in the first hour, and we'll get the interview
at Kway Colorado dot com. Greg Pinner Carrie Walton Pinner
acquiring forty percent stake in the Rockies, Dave.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
I think it's great that has been going on for
I want to say, excuse me over a year. Whoa, yeah,
so so I think, I mean, I think it's outstanding.
I think anytime you can bring in people that have
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been uber successful and have the wherewithal to help, in
this case the Rockies in a big, big way, then
why would you not do it?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
So I applaud.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Dick Montford for his role in this deal, and I
certainly I think Greg Pinner and Carry Walton Pinner have
done is outstanding and I think it can only it
can be a plus, and I think it can be
a significant plus to the Rockies organization starting this year
and then moving forward.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, I feel like this is hitting the lottery for
the Rockies and Rockies fans.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
This is fantastic news.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Rockies might have a chance now because of the resources
you get from the Walton Penner group, They're going to
get back to being a competitive team. I think sooner
rather than later. This is the best thing. This is
like Christmas Morning for Rockies fans because we know how
good the Walton Penners are, the Penner Walton group as
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far as the way they've been running the Broncos, and
we know how much money they have.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Man, this is just a big, big deal.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Now, it's important to note here it's from the Penner
Sports Group because Rob Walton owes ten percent of the Diamondbacks.
So there's a little bit of like, okay, well hold on,
you know, blurring the lines here, because of course Rob
Walton is part of the ownership group for the Broncos,
but he has ten percent stake in the Diamondbacks. Now
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this is this is Greg and Carry. They're they're on
their own thing here with the Rockies forty percent. And
I like the press release that they put out here
says this investment from penn Or Sports Group will support
both short and long term strategic playing for the Rockies,
will allow the club to retire all outstanding debt while
providing additional investment in the team as well as world
class family friendly experience at course field. And I read
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an article from the different post. But by the way,
part of the forty percent was all of their share.
So there they are out now on part ownership of
the Rockies. I guess they had been from the very beginning,
at least through with the Rocky Mountain News so you're
you're looking at a situation where this is going to
give you some some assets here, right, this is going
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to give you some cash, an opportunity not only to
pay off this debt, but an opportunity maybe to.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Spend a little bit in with the team.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
I was reading the different post and they were talking about, Hey,
this is how you're going to be able to compete
with the likes of.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
The Dodgers, the likes of the Mets.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
Now, maybe they're not going to have that kind of
payroll overnight, but at least you give yourself a shot, right,
I mean that, I think for Rockies fans, that's what
I'm most excited about.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's obvious, right, I
mean that's that's as I said, It's going to be
an infusion of capital, and I think, I mean this,
this puts the Rocky sort of I own stand on
a par with well, it could put them on a
par with you know, some of the highest paying clubs
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should they decide to go that route. At least it
gives them opportunity, I think, to structure their financial picture
much differently than they have in the past, which I
think is is great I think it's a I think
it's a win win for everybody, including the two ownership
groups and fans of both teams, and just fans that
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like to watch professional sports here in Denver.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You know, there's reports out there. I believe it was
Forbes that claimed the Rocket has been losing money. It's
like twenty twenty one, and so this is just the
biggest shot in the arm they could have possibly had. Now,
you wonder if they weren't operating in the red and
they were operating in the black, if they would have
done something like this. But I was unaware they were
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losing money. Yeah, I'd find that. I found it a
little hard to believe because they own the stadium. They
didn't have to pay for that stadium. All the money
that comes through that stadium, parking, and all the the
concessions goes straight to profit for them.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
We lose surprise it was such a high number because
I mentioned Rob Walton with ten percent, with the Diamondbacks
forty percent, I guess that was a little bit of
a startling number for me. Dave, why well, it's and again,
Dick Montfort is still the controlling owner right owns more
than more than fifty percent. But when usually it's like, hey,
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we're gonna be a minority owner. When you ever hear
of somebody jumping in or dipping their toes into something
as minority owner, usually see ten percent or less. Like
that's that's pretty standard across the board, like almost anybody
that just sort of jumps into this thing. The fact
that it's forty percent is such a big swing, and
I mean that's great. I just that number is still
startling to me as I try to put it in perspective.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, I don't. I mean, I think.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
For them to benefit the Rockies, it it had to
be to me.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
A significant swing. I mean for.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Carrie Walton Pinner and Greg Pinner to own seven percent
of the Rockies, I mean what what actually?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I mean, they certainly don't don't need it.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Right, what what actually does that accomplish? So I think
the number had to be significant enough that it would
entice them to say, okay, this this makes sense for
us because now we are, while technically still minority owner,
we are pretty significant owner of the Rockies.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
So yeah, I I to me, it makes a lot of.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Sense simply given what sort of financial wherewithal the owners
of the Broncos actually have all.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Right Rockies fans five six six nine zero. Well, you guys,
think about this. I can get incredible news today carry
Walton Penner along with Great Pinner in their in their
ownership group, they purchased forty percent stake of the Rockies.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
We'll get some more of that. We could compete every year.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
A lot of optimism and uh yeah, I mean I
think if the Rockies that they're gonna have.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
The no, there's no moving around this.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
There's gonna be a little bit of time to to
earn back some good will. I mean, that's what it is,
you know. I They're also a good start this season.
I know they lost last night, but it was it
was a good game. It's been a good start to
the season. We're six to six going into the series
against the Padres. So you know, we don't know where
this is gonna go, Rick, but in the interim as
we sit here right now, you know, there's some optimism
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about what they are and this only kind of bolsters it. Right,
you get this news today and somebody you know pointing
out it's like, hey, you don't you're not a small
market team anymore. Well, I don't know, if they ever
looked at that way. But I understand that the mindset
because it's always the Dodgers, the Mets, the Yankees, these
big markets teams that tend to outspend you because they
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can because of the TV contracts. And it's gonna be
fascinating here. And I just see a lot of Rockies
fans chiming in on Twitter. It's gonna be fascinating because
this new CBA, the CBA is gonna be up. And
a lot of the discussion right now is ownerships want
a salary cap.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Players of course do not.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Now that we have Greg and Kerry involved, maybe Rockies
fans are feeling a little less bullish about a salary
cap and saying no, no, no, no, keep it the way
it is, let's go.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I was thinking the same thing. This is not a
level playing field, that's for sure. In baseball. It just isn't.
And to me, it's made it somewhat unwatchable if you're
not a Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Fan or a Yankees fan.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Most of the seasons pretty unwatchable for me. And a
lot of the criticism for the Rocky struggle has been
directed at the Montfortz, the ownership group and the fact
that they've been losing money since twenty twenty one. It
just shows you that either there's some incompetence there with
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them or they just don't have the money to do anything.
And there are teams, as we know, small market teams.
They rise up every now and then and win the penny,
go to the World Series. It happens, but seems like
you have to get lucky in Major League Baseball, unlike football,
where they want everybody to be a five hundred football team.
(11:06):
It's a whole different deal in baseball. I would be
way more interested if they did have the cap in
baseball than I am right now. But as you just said,
well wait a minute, we have the richest owners in
baseball right now.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
We now have a major hand in the local team, and.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You wonder, I guess we'll wait and see what they'll
do with that.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Greg Penner made a point of saying, we're going to
focus on the Broncos, almost like hey, we're just gonna
we just wanted to invest in it, and we'll see
how this goes. That'll be interesting to see how he
plays that well.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Certainly, And so that's where and it's natural to have
optimism in the moments, not knowing exactly how it's all
going to play out. And honestly, and Dave and I've
talked about this, ton is like, I tend to be
a bigger fan of the salary floor than the salary cap.
In baseball, salary floor all team need to spend up
to a certain level, more so than capping anything because
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I don't know, I mean from vasor League Baseball, because
you can't really tell they've you can't tell the Dodgers
or the Yankees or the Mets. Hey, you guys, you
guys should spend less because they're they're TV contracts are
what they are. It's a competitive advantage for them.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Well, I mean you could, but.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
It would require you know, a certain percentage of ownership
voting that into existence. And I'm not sure because there
are a bunch of big markets out of those thirty teams.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
So I mean there's got to be a way.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Frankly, after today's news, maybe not quite as interested in
the salary cap idea because you know, I'm not trying
to spend Greg and Carrey's money, but they own forty
percent of the team. I just think that I think
the financials.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Are going to change for the Rockies for the better.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
But I do think long term, there's got to be
a way in terms of the financial ability of certain
teams from their local TV contracts. There's got to be
a way to sort of even out the playing field.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Feels like it had a little bit. Yeah, I gotta
find some kind of balance.
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Speaker 1 (13:51):
Always good to catch up with you. How are you?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I'm good?
Speaker 5 (13:54):
How you guys?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Doing Snake is loose? Like all the time, I think,
don't you think Jake.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
As well as I'm not. Yeah, as long as I'm
not loose, floppy and around, that's it.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
That's it. That's exactly right. Hey, I want I want
to jump right in. You know, the Broncos make a decision,
Champagne is not going to be the primary play caller.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
It's going to be Davis Webb.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
And just from your perspective as a quarterback in the league,
when maybe a position coach that you get very very
familiar with now has another role, does the relationship you
have with that coach does that change.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
A little bit?
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Or do you suspect that things will be as they
were last year between.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Bo and Davis.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
I imagine they'll be as smooth as, if anything, even better.
You know, and I have I don't have any real
frame of reference to go from having a quarterback coach
that was promoted to OC. I always had like a
QB coach and then we had good OC's, you know,
Mark Trussman in Arizona, Rich Olsen get here I had.
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I didn't have a quarterback as a quarterback coach. Pat
McPherson was my quarterback coach, and uh, you know, a
QB roob is a real special place. It's a very
tight knit group. There's got to be a lot of honesty. Uh,
there's got to be a lot of competition, and there's
also got to be a lot of vulnerability. So, I mean,
the relationship with Bo and and Davis is obviously good.
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It's working, and even the other you know, at the
whole room, you know, it's a it's a it's a
real interesting dynamic. As you know, everybody wants to start right,
everybody wants that job, but you've got to support the
guy that's doing it. And Bo's been doing a hell
of a job. So when Davis has to up his responsibilities,
he may not be in that room as much. He
may be in it at the most important times. That's
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how Kubiak would he would bounce down. We would install
everything with that, we get everything going, and Kobs would
come in and dial it in right away, like bring
straight clips that we needed to watch for the week.
He would go through any of the different you know,
protections or any new concepts or anything like that in
depth at his expertise level, and then he would be
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out of the room. But there was a great rapport
with me and Coobs. There was a tremendous rapport. I
loved coubs, he loved me. I loved how he coached me.
I loved when I knew I could just look over
and see him and he would be like, he give
me a look, like, Yo, come on, you got to
make those clothes right now. In practice, you're you know you,
you know, there's just an understanding there. So the relationship
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will be what it is. It's already strong and has
been you know, fortified through these last couple of years.
With Davis now having the ability to call more plays,
and I think it's going to be great because he
knows Bo better than coach Peyton, because he's been in
that room with him and in those meetings with him,
and in those vulnerable, tough moments where you're frustrated or
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those exciting, ecstatic moments where you're celebrating. Webs did right
there with Bo, really creating a dynamic relationship. So I
feel like that'll only help in his play calling abilities.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Jake the Snake ORCS up brother, how you.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Doing, Yeah, I'm good. It's good to hear you.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, man, good to hear you too.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
You touched on this, but maybe explain it a little
Further to football fans Broncos fans, the relationship of the
quarterback coach in the quarterback. The quarterback coach can be
a buffer between the upensive coordinator and the head coach.
And I think in that case, Davis Webb was really
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good for Bo because as we know Sean Payton can
be he can coach.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
People hard, and especially quarterbacks hard.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
So we now when you bump Davis web up to OC,
he's got a new quarterback coach coming in that's going
to be working with him. Will he be the buffer
between Davis Webb and Bo?
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:02):
There. I mean, if you want to call it a
buffer or if you just want to call it, you know,
your sounding board, your guy. The ability to ask like
the most simple, uh day one installation question if you
may have a little like overload and go, wait, what
what's a slant? You know, and the coach isn't going
to look at you and say, come on, Bo, you're
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supposed to know that, or what the hell you been
doing it? He's gonna say, yeah, it's just take two
steps up and you're angling forty five degree or whatever.
He's gonna break it down with with no judgment, you know,
so that whoever that quarterback coach is, it has to
be that guy that can answer all the questions, has
to know everything coming down from the top down. So
now it's gonna come from coach Peyton and Web when
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they're developing and game planning and designing this offensive strategy
each week to week, and then it has to be
a person that can digest all that and and and
relay it to Bow accurately and the intricacies of the plays.
So if it's a buffer, it's more of a he
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is a buffer at times when you need to like
go in and ask a simple question. You don't want
to go bother the head coach with that. He's got
a lot of things on his plate. The offensive coordinator
a same things and have more things on his plate.
But your quarterback coach answers those simple questions, what's my
third read on this play? You know, like it's okay
to ask those Sometimes you just need that person there
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to answer it. But he's also, like I said, he's
got to be able to relay the message from the
top down in a consistent manner. And that's where good
offenses flourish is when everybody's on the same page. It's
not a tight end coach teaching this, and then you
go over and go, what the hell are you teaching him?
You know, Post said this, You got to all be
on that same page, right and having your QB coach
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on the same page with you there to answer the questions,
run you through progressions, be there in between. You know,
periods when you're overloaded at camp and like need someone
to like just bring it down to not you know,
that's what our quarterback coach comes in because you're not
going to go bother the OC with that. You're not
going to bother coach Peyton with that. They got all
kinds of stuff on their plates. So a QB coach
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is very important. You got to have a really good relationship,
a lot of trust, and hopefully you like the guy.
And if you don't like him, hopefully he's just a
really damn good coach and you can accept that maybe
he's an asshole, but he's a damn good coach.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
That happens. Yeah, Hey, I don't mind it.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Man. If you're not a nice guy and you don't
know how to treat people right, as long as you've
coached me how to do my job, and I can
go out there and have the best chance to win,
and I can accept that. It's better though, when you
do have someone that's good and you get along with him,
that's always good for the whole room.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Per Jake Plummer joining us here now, Bananda Mendozo is
expected to go at the top of.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
The draft of the Raiders.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
They brought in Kirk Cousins to I guess sort of
mentor him, and it sounds like the expectation and planned
is to have Kirk Cousins start the season. I guess
there's a circumstance the Mendoza wins the competition.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
But what do you in general think about giving young.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Quarterbacks, rookie quarterbacks a season to learn under a vet.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Uh? You know, every coach has their own ways. I
think we've seen a lot of guys come in right
away and bo being one of them, have immediate success.
It can happen, you know, it's definitely possible. I don't know,
you know why they would draft him number one if
they don't want to get him out there right now.
You know, for me, it's like you don't buy a
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Ferrari and just set it in the garage and wait
till you learn how to drive properly or learn you know,
the traffic dies down, you know, you get out.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
And drive it.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
You know you're gonna draft this kid number one. You
throw it at him. See what he's got that. That's
one of the best things for a young quarterback is
to be overwhelmed, overloaded to the point of like, oh
my god. And then you're going to see what he's
all about. Is he gonna crack? Is he gonna crumble
or is he going to become a better leader by
putting his nose as a drive stone, working his ass off,
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getting better, improving upon the plays he's not making in
practice during camp. Now you come out the next day, look,
oh man, we saw he did the work, and those
that did the work, this kid wants it. And that's
also you know, that's just part of that process. You know,
I didn't get thrown in right away, but I got
put in halfway through the year. And I was grateful because, uh,
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the protections and schemes like that we didn't. We ran
some protection at ASU, but not to the extent that
they run on the NFL field. When you're seeing multiple
defenses and you're getting to play against the Ravens defense.
Back then with Ray Lewis and Ed Reid, you know,
you had you had to have multiple protections. So my
head was swimming even when I finally got in. These
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kids now they know a hell of a lot more
though they've been groomed. The game that they're growing up
playing has trickled up into the NFL, so there is
a little bit of an understanding or a little bit
more of an ease of being able to make plays
and functions as it was, you know, old from college
to the pros. Back when I came out, it was
a it was a really big jump. Now it's not
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as big. There's a lot of the college game trickled up,
so these kids can't come in and we see them
have success. It's like bo has had here with the Broncos,
Jake Ryan.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Has taking a victory lap. Yes, I think, well, you
know incorrectly. Oh no, here's here's what I had said earlier.
R Ryan advocated starting Fernando Mendoza no matter what, that's right,
I okay, I said, if they don't think Fernando Mendoza
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is ready to go week one, they're going to start
Kirk Cousins if he's ready to go. Then maybe Ryan's
advocating because he's picks.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Number one overall.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
He starts no matter what.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Yeah, I mean, I I don't know. We know, we
know the coach down there right yep, Yeah, another cub.
He's doing a great job. And what they did in
Seattle was was I mean their offense they had all
the pieces right. The offense he's running is phenomenal when
you got all the pieces to the puzzle. As we
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saw multiple playmakers, receivers catching everything, turning you know, a
simple screen into a forty yard fifty yard seventy yard
touchdown and running back hit increases catching the ball of
the backfield. It was very diverse and dynamic. Was it
a very complicated scheme. If he's running you know stuff
that he obviously has gleamed from his father, from Shanahan,
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from the West Coast style, it does take some time.
It takes developing rhythm and timing with your receivers. So
you know, Mendoza gets strafted, he's going to go right
into it. And you know, every kid's dream is coming
true and you get that chance to go out and
make it in the NFL. There's nothing bigger or better
than the NFL, that's the top and so when he
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makes it, it's time for him to get to work them.
All I've seen from him, he seems to be a
great kid with his feet, well grounded and good people
around him. Now it's just a matter of him, you know,
stepping up to the next level. And the Jersey colors
are probably similar to college. There's just different names on him.
And now these guys don't make many mistakes. Those throwaway
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balls you could do and uh back with the Hoosiers,
they're probably gonna be coming back at you as an interception.
So you know, you just have to dial it in.
I think he'll be good. I would play the guy.
I would put him in and play him. You know,
you don't want to get him hurt. But if you
don't want to get him hurt, then stop playing football.
You know, there's always that risk you're not gonna save
his body by not putting him in right away, and
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that learning curve the quicker you can, you know, throw
the feet in the fire. Obviously, if he's still if
he's not as knowledgeable in the game as we may
think he is, then yeah, you got to you gotta
gauge that. But I think the kids smart knows his stuff,
and if you know, should be able to come in
right away and play, then he's gonna have Kirk Cousins
there too. Who's gonn to be that answer guy? You
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to be that guy that's breaking it down, breaking down
the little simple thing possible, like when we run trapped, right,
do I spin out to the left? Wait with my
left shoulder or my right?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Like?
Speaker 5 (26:12):
What am I doing here? You know? Because those things
come up, you just get overloaded. And so Kurt's been
a great quarterback in this league, a great human, very
well you know well known to be a very supportive teammate.
So I think that that's a good situation happened in there,
and I really, I really hope that the Raiders do
well just because of Koobs. I mean, Flint was a
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little kid here when we were playing back in the day.
With It's great to see him have success, no doubt.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Brilliantly said, I love your breakdown there, says said more
or less everything I told Dave. So I always appreciate
that I didn't know. I didn't know you say all
those things. I didn't see you up for those kinds
of things. But I do appreciate the expertise.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Of validated you.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
The validation that doesn't happen too often the show.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
And hey, but I might not be right, So you
know you can't let put all the eggs and on Batman.
Just because I said it doesn't mean that's the case.
It's just what I think. And you know you can't
refute that because I do. I played a lot of football,
so I kind of understand it. But I also may
be wrong. Day.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
I appreciate you, man, I have a fantastic weekend. Look
forward to checking with you down the road.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Right on. You guys have a good one to take
care of.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Jake, We'll see you. Thank you, Jake, Jake Plumber.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
He's complete mischaracterization, which you are the best I've ever
been around at well.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
First of all, thank you.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Well if you take that as a compliment, then you're welcome.
You're welcome. I mean, he did not at all, He
did not at all. You said that Mendoz, who would
start day one? No matter what, that's what you said.
I said, No, he would start if he was ready
to start day one. If not, they're gonna go with
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the guy that gives them the best chance to win.
That's not how you laid it at the plumber. But
I should get used to this at least for a
little bit longer, because this is how you do things.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
I said they should start Mendoza, no matter what. I
didn't say that he will.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
I think said they should, And I said, that is
such faulty thinking in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
You start him even if he's not ready.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
You got gets, you would start him even if he's
not ready.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
You took him first overall.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yes, I understand, you don't need to go over yes
or no? Yes, Okay.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Then my answer to that, like last week, was that's
why you're sitting here with me in the studio.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
What about you?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Rick?
Speaker 5 (28:37):
You know?
Speaker 3 (28:38):
My question is when was the.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Last time a quarterback picked first overall did not start
Week one?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Baker Mayfield?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Baker, So you go back, that's that eight years ago
or so?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah? Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
How many quarterbacks love less than that?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
How many quarterbacks have been picked overall number one since
Baker Mayfield? I don't know. I don't either. I'll tell
you who would be well, Caleb Williams. Wouldn't he pick
number one?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (29:12):
And he and the kid and the kid in Carolina?
Bryce yes, young, young pick number one.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Right, And in today's NFL, it seems like when you
take a quarterback first, go overall, you're going to play
him now where in the past maybe not. You know,
we've seen quarterback Aaron Rodgers maybe. So I mean, you
play if you think he's ready to play, if you
think he's ready, if you don't think he's ready to play.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
What moron is going to say or advocate for a
guy to play that's not ready to play?
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Wow, Well you're not doing are you doing that?
Speaker 6 (29:48):
I'm saying he should play because he's your first You
know what, moron?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I stop and think what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
If he's not ready to play, you're gonna play him anyway?
Speaker 6 (29:59):
I'm I mean, there's a lot of sub supposition there,
but I I wait.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Wait, wait what supposition?
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Well, that's a statement if he's not ready to play,
are you going to play him?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Don's that supposition at all?
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Well?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
What does that even mean? Like what he's not ready
to play?
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Well?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
But by whose definition he is?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
The coaches that make.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
The decision on you think he's ready to throw him
out there against and then put the team in Week one,
or do we go with Cousins because he needs some.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
More practice time than you probably already missed on your
first round pick. I disagree, Yeah, I mean it's already
a miss. You don't take a quarter by first overall
and then say.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Oh, how about the Browns. You think Baker's a pretty
good player. Yeah, so I did the Browns miss on
their first round draft choice because Baker didn't start.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
I could also argue that maybe he was stunted in
his growth because they him.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Oh god, oh my Godrod.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
Taylor start the season instead. Also, Hugh Jackson was kind
of a why mess?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Why do you think they let Tyrod Taylor start over Baker?
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Mayfol because Hugh Jackson is an idiot and he didn't
want to start.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Listen, I'm not an advocate of Hugh Jackson, but do
you think maybe that the staff felt like, hey, our
best chance to win, at least for the early going
of this season is Taylor.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
How that got Baker didn't go good?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (31:11):
So, kim Ward Kill, Williams, Bryce Young, Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow,
Kyler Murray. There's only one non quarterback in the mix
is Trayvon Walker with Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
So everybody else Okay, and all they all started.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
That's how it is. Well, maybe maybe Mendoza does start
in this case.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
I'm just saying I wouldn't start him unless I thought
he was ready to start. Kirk Cousins, you'd have to
look and see who the backups were, you know, for
these other guys, Kirk Cousins, highly accomplished NFL VET who
can win you football games.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
So maybe they would look at it.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
And I know he knows the offense, yes, almost better
than the guy does.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I would think he would get off to a much
better start than Mendoza.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Would I think.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
I think AFC West fans, Broncos fans hope Mendoza starts
Week one, it plays the entire season.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
I do, I do too, Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Hmm.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Okay, well you can't.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
You're going to start for You're going to start Mendoza
no matter what.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Because he's the first pick in the draft.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
I feel like the whole he's not ready, as a
bit nebulous, like what if he because it's right to
the point, well no, it's it's really not because because
it's based on whose assessments, Like, well, it's the coaches
that get paid to assess that, But what if he's
advocating like, no, I am ready to play and I
want to play.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
What player do you know that hasn't advocated I'm ready
to go. You draft the guy first in the in
the draft and he says, you know, listen, I'm just
not ready for this.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Can we can? I have some more practice time and play.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Every player wants to play. That's what coaches. It paid
millions of dollars to make those decisions.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Did and Drew Locke say the year that Joe Flacco
was here, didn't he say like he actually enjoyed, enjoyed,
but he said he needed the time because he felt
like he was drinking through a fire hose first picking
the drift, saying that's an example I can I'm thinking
of coming to mind of a quarterback saying actually sitting
down was a good thing for me.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
I think in the long term it probably was. You
would you would disagree because he was a high draft choice.
You would have played Drew Locke right off the bat.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Right if the quarterback is saying, well, he was hurt
also like he wasn't available to play, that was and
so he sat he sat.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
There as soon as he was healthy, you'd have inserted
him into the offense.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Right, it is the.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Second round pick. It's a different conversation than arrest sustained.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I don't even know. I'm all twisted up, overruled a
little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
I uh.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
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Speaker 1 (34:16):
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Speaker 6 (34:19):
When we come back, I gotta talk a little bit
about last night Rockies game for a moment again. The
big news of the day the Petners, Kerrie greg They
are now part owners.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Of the Rockies. What does it all mean. We'll get
to the next
And that's how we intro our next guest or co host.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Today, Rick lewis, all right, that's my new walk up.
We just lay there with your butt up in the air.
You know what, that needs a little context?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I think No, I.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Feel like a weird way to open. I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Do you think it needs more context? Do you think
we're good?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yeah? I don't. I don't think.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
I think it needs a little context more than Rick's
voice saying you just lie there and put your butt
up to me.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Yeah, And I think minds will go crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I don't even remember what we were talking about when
you recorded.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
You want context, but you don't remember.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I remember. No, I really don't.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
No.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Good to see you guys though.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Man, always good to be here you uh, I.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Mean, I'll get you droll long to the text line.
Speaker 6 (00:47):
Text line is just still going at Dave on some
of this. There's some people that are now jumping to
your defense. Here, Dave on the basketball, let me jump.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
To his defense. They doesn't need any just say this.
I actually played in the game basketball game with Dave
back in the day. It was one of those like
media like all Star basketball games. Right, all the people
in the media played and Broncos. There were some Broncos
that played in the game as well, and Dave.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
That was a few years ago, and Dave was quite
a while ago dominated well the game.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Against not just media people but Broncos players that were
still in their prime.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I just want to throw that up. That was like probably.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Mid nineties maybe at the most, maybe early maybe even early. Yeah, yeah,
but still Dave was dunking on guy different generation.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, you, Dave's not dunking on guys anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well, I was going to advise you as your friend
and advisor, I wouldn't even try to dunk.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I never trust me on this.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I'm not going to I got out of a lengthy
athletic career and never had an achilles injury, which I'm
so pleased with, and I'm not about to see if
I can change that.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Okay, yeah, take the bait on that. No, No, I'm good.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
So what do you think today of the incredible news
that we found outs? I asked Gara Bowles about it
early in the first hour, and we'll get the interview
at Kway Colorado dot com. Greg Pinner Carrie Walton Pinner
acquiring forty percent stake in the Rockies, Dave.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
I think it's great that has been going on for
I want to say, excuse me over a year. Whoa, yeah,
so so I think, I mean, I think it's outstanding.
I think anytime you can bring in people that have
(02:36):
been uber successful and have the wherewithal to help, in
this case the Rockies in a big, big way, then
why would you not do it?
Speaker 3 (02:50):
So I applaud.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Dick Montford for his role in this deal, and I
certainly I think Greg Pinner and Carry Walton Pinner have
done is outstanding and I think it can only it
can be a plus, and I think it can be
a significant plus to the Rockies organization starting this year
and then moving forward.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Yeah, I feel like this is hitting the lottery for
the Rockies and Rockies fans.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
This is fantastic news.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Rockies might have a chance now because of the resources
you get from the Walton Penner group, They're going to
get back to being a competitive team. I think sooner
rather than later. This is the best thing. This is
like Christmas Morning for Rockies fans because we know how
good the Walton Penners are, the Penner Walton group as
(03:42):
far as the way they've been running the Broncos, and
we know how much money they have.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Man, this is just a big, big deal.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Now, it's important to note here it's from the Penner
Sports Group because Rob Walton owes ten percent of the Diamondbacks.
So there's a little bit of like, okay, well hold on,
you know, blurring the lines here, because of course Rob
Walton is part of the ownership group for the Broncos,
but he has ten percent stake in the Diamondbacks. Now
(04:09):
this is this is Greg and Carry. They're they're on
their own thing here with the Rockies forty percent. And
I like the press release that they put out here
says this investment from penn Or Sports Group will support
both short and long term strategic playing for the Rockies,
will allow the club to retire all outstanding debt while
providing additional investment in the team as well as world
class family friendly experience at course field. And I read
(04:32):
an article from the different post. But by the way,
part of the forty percent was all of their share.
So there they are out now on part ownership of
the Rockies. I guess they had been from the very beginning,
at least through with the Rocky Mountain News so you're
you're looking at a situation where this is going to
give you some some assets here, right, this is going
(04:53):
to give you some cash, an opportunity not only to
pay off this debt, but an opportunity maybe to.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Spend a little bit in with the team.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
I was reading the different post and they were talking about, Hey,
this is how you're going to be able to compete
with the likes of.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
The Dodgers, the likes of the Mets.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
Now, maybe they're not going to have that kind of
payroll overnight, but at least you give yourself a shot, right,
I mean that, I think for Rockies fans, that's what
I'm most excited about.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Yeah, I think it's I think it's obvious, right, I
mean that's that's as I said, It's going to be
an infusion of capital, and I think, I mean this,
this puts the Rocky sort of I own stand on
a par with well, it could put them on a
par with you know, some of the highest paying clubs
(05:39):
should they decide to go that route. At least it
gives them opportunity, I think, to structure their financial picture
much differently than they have in the past, which I
think is is great I think it's a I think
it's a win win for everybody, including the two ownership
groups and fans of both teams, and just fans that
(06:03):
like to watch professional sports here in Denver.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You know, there's reports out there. I believe it was
Forbes that claimed the Rocket has been losing money. It's
like twenty twenty one, and so this is just the
biggest shot in the arm they could have possibly had. Now,
you wonder if they weren't operating in the red and
they were operating in the black, if they would have
done something like this. But I was unaware they were
(06:29):
losing money. Yeah, I'd find that. I found it a
little hard to believe because they own the stadium. They
didn't have to pay for that stadium. All the money
that comes through that stadium, parking, and all the the
concessions goes straight to profit for them.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
We lose surprise it was such a high number because
I mentioned Rob Walton with ten percent, with the Diamondbacks
forty percent, I guess that was a little bit of
a startling number for me. Dave, why well, it's and again,
Dick Montfort is still the controlling owner right owns more
than more than fifty percent. But when usually it's like, hey,
(07:04):
we're gonna be a minority owner. When you ever hear
of somebody jumping in or dipping their toes into something
as minority owner, usually see ten percent or less. Like
that's that's pretty standard across the board, like almost anybody
that just sort of jumps into this thing. The fact
that it's forty percent is such a big swing, and
I mean that's great. I just that number is still
startling to me as I try to put it in perspective.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, I don't. I mean, I think.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
For them to benefit the Rockies, it it had to
be to me.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
A significant swing. I mean for.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Carrie Walton Pinner and Greg Pinner to own seven percent
of the Rockies, I mean what what actually?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I mean, they certainly don't don't need it.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Right, what what actually does that accomplish? So I think
the number had to be significant enough that it would
entice them to say, okay, this this makes sense for
us because now we are, while technically still minority owner,
we are pretty significant owner of the Rockies.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
So yeah, I I to me, it makes a lot of.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Sense simply given what sort of financial wherewithal the owners
of the Broncos actually have all.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Right Rockies fans five six six nine zero. Well, you guys,
think about this. I can get incredible news today carry
Walton Penner along with Great Pinner in their in their
ownership group, they purchased forty percent stake of the Rockies.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
We'll get some more of that. We could compete every year.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
A lot of optimism and uh yeah, I mean I
think if the Rockies that they're gonna have.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
The no, there's no moving around this.
Speaker 6 (08:58):
There's gonna be a little bit of time to to
earn back some good will. I mean, that's what it is,
you know. I They're also a good start this season.
I know they lost last night, but it was it
was a good game. It's been a good start to
the season. We're six to six going into the series
against the Padres. So you know, we don't know where
this is gonna go, Rick, but in the interim as
we sit here right now, you know, there's some optimism
(09:20):
about what they are and this only kind of bolsters it. Right,
you get this news today and somebody you know pointing
out it's like, hey, you don't you're not a small
market team anymore. Well, I don't know, if they ever
looked at that way. But I understand that the mindset
because it's always the Dodgers, the Mets, the Yankees, these
big markets teams that tend to outspend you because they
(09:41):
can because of the TV contracts. And it's gonna be
fascinating here. And I just see a lot of Rockies
fans chiming in on Twitter. It's gonna be fascinating because
this new CBA, the CBA is gonna be up. And
a lot of the discussion right now is ownerships want
a salary cap.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Players of course do not.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
Now that we have Greg and Kerry involved, maybe Rockies
fans are feeling a little less bullish about a salary
cap and saying no, no, no, no, keep it the way
it is, let's go.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I was thinking the same thing. This is not a
level playing field, that's for sure. In baseball. It just isn't.
And to me, it's made it somewhat unwatchable if you're
not a Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Fan or a Yankees fan.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Most of the seasons pretty unwatchable for me. And a
lot of the criticism for the Rocky struggle has been
directed at the Montfortz, the ownership group and the fact
that they've been losing money since twenty twenty one. It
just shows you that either there's some incompetence there with
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them or they just don't have the money to do anything.
And there are teams, as we know, small market teams.
They rise up every now and then and win the penny,
go to the World Series. It happens, but seems like
you have to get lucky in Major League Baseball, unlike football,
where they want everybody to be a five hundred football team.
(11:06):
It's a whole different deal in baseball. I would be
way more interested if they did have the cap in
baseball than I am right now. But as you just said,
well wait a minute, we have the richest owners in
baseball right now.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
We now have a major hand in the local team, and.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
You wonder, I guess we'll wait and see what they'll
do with that.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
You know.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Greg Penner made a point of saying, we're going to
focus on the Broncos, almost like hey, we're just gonna
we just wanted to invest in it, and we'll see
how this goes. That'll be interesting to see how he
plays that well.
Speaker 6 (11:42):
Certainly, And so that's where and it's natural to have
optimism in the moments, not knowing exactly how it's all
going to play out. And honestly, and Dave and I've
talked about this, ton is like, I tend to be
a bigger fan of the salary floor than the salary cap.
In baseball, salary floor all team need to spend up
to a certain level, more so than capping anything because
(12:05):
I don't know, I mean from vasor League Baseball, because
you can't really tell they've you can't tell the Dodgers
or the Yankees or the Mets. Hey, you guys, you
guys should spend less because they're they're TV contracts are
what they are. It's a competitive advantage for them.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Well, I mean you could, but.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
It would require you know, a certain percentage of ownership
voting that into existence. And I'm not sure because there
are a bunch of big markets out of those thirty teams.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
So I mean there's got to be a way.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Frankly, after today's news, maybe not quite as interested in
the salary cap idea because you know, I'm not trying
to spend Greg and Carrey's money, but they own forty
percent of the team. I just think that I think
the financials.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Are going to change for the Rockies for the better.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
But I do think long term, there's got to be
a way in terms of the financial ability of certain
teams from their local TV contracts. There's got to be
a way to sort of even out the playing field.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Feels like it had a little bit. Yeah, I gotta
find some kind of balance.
Speaker 6 (13:17):
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Speaker 1 (13:51):
Always good to catch up with you. How are you?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I'm good?
Speaker 5 (13:54):
How you guys?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Doing Snake is loose? Like all the time, I think,
don't you think Jake.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
As well as I'm not. Yeah, as long as I'm
not loose, floppy and around, that's it.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
That's it. That's exactly right. Hey, I want I want
to jump right in. You know, the Broncos make a decision,
Champagne is not going to be the primary play caller.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
It's going to be Davis Webb.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
And just from your perspective as a quarterback in the league,
when maybe a position coach that you get very very
familiar with now has another role, does the relationship you
have with that coach does that change.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
A little bit?
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Or do you suspect that things will be as they
were last year between.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Bo and Davis.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
I imagine they'll be as smooth as, if anything, even better.
You know, and I have I don't have any real
frame of reference to go from having a quarterback coach
that was promoted to OC. I always had like a
QB coach and then we had good OC's, you know,
Mark Trussman in Arizona, Rich Olsen get here I had.
(15:06):
I didn't have a quarterback as a quarterback coach. Pat
McPherson was my quarterback coach, and uh, you know, a
QB roob is a real special place. It's a very
tight knit group. There's got to be a lot of honesty. Uh,
there's got to be a lot of competition, and there's
also got to be a lot of vulnerability. So, I mean,
the relationship with Bo and and Davis is obviously good.
(15:30):
It's working, and even the other you know, at the
whole room, you know, it's a it's a it's a
real interesting dynamic. As you know, everybody wants to start right,
everybody wants that job, but you've got to support the
guy that's doing it. And Bo's been doing a hell
of a job. So when Davis has to up his responsibilities,
he may not be in that room as much. He
may be in it at the most important times. That's
(15:53):
how Kubiak would he would bounce down. We would install
everything with that, we get everything going, and Kobs would
come in and dial it in right away, like bring
straight clips that we needed to watch for the week.
He would go through any of the different you know,
protections or any new concepts or anything like that in
depth at his expertise level, and then he would be
(16:14):
out of the room. But there was a great rapport
with me and Coobs. There was a tremendous rapport. I
loved coubs, he loved me. I loved how he coached me.
I loved when I knew I could just look over
and see him and he would be like, he give
me a look, like, Yo, come on, you got to
make those clothes right now. In practice, you're you know you,
you know, there's just an understanding there. So the relationship
(16:37):
will be what it is. It's already strong and has
been you know, fortified through these last couple of years.
With Davis now having the ability to call more plays,
and I think it's going to be great because he
knows Bo better than coach Peyton, because he's been in
that room with him and in those meetings with him,
and in those vulnerable, tough moments where you're frustrated or
(16:58):
those exciting, ecstatic moments where you're celebrating. Webs did right
there with Bo, really creating a dynamic relationship. So I
feel like that'll only help in his play calling abilities.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Jake the Snake ORCS up brother, how you.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Doing, Yeah, I'm good. It's good to hear you.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Yeah, man, good to hear you too.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
You touched on this, but maybe explain it a little
Further to football fans Broncos fans, the relationship of the
quarterback coach in the quarterback. The quarterback coach can be
a buffer between the upensive coordinator and the head coach.
And I think in that case, Davis Webb was really
(17:40):
good for Bo because as we know Sean Payton can
be he can coach.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
People hard, and especially quarterbacks hard.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
So we now when you bump Davis web up to OC,
he's got a new quarterback coach coming in that's going
to be working with him. Will he be the buffer
between Davis Webb and Bo?
Speaker 6 (18:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:02):
There. I mean, if you want to call it a
buffer or if you just want to call it, you know,
your sounding board, your guy. The ability to ask like
the most simple, uh day one installation question if you
may have a little like overload and go, wait, what
what's a slant? You know, and the coach isn't going
to look at you and say, come on, Bo, you're
(18:24):
supposed to know that, or what the hell you been
doing it? He's gonna say, yeah, it's just take two
steps up and you're angling forty five degree or whatever.
He's gonna break it down with with no judgment, you know,
so that whoever that quarterback coach is, it has to
be that guy that can answer all the questions, has
to know everything coming down from the top down. So
now it's gonna come from coach Peyton and Web when
(18:46):
they're developing and game planning and designing this offensive strategy
each week to week, and then it has to be
a person that can digest all that and and and
relay it to Bow accurately and the intricacies of the plays.
So if it's a buffer, it's more of a he
(19:07):
is a buffer at times when you need to like
go in and ask a simple question. You don't want
to go bother the head coach with that. He's got
a lot of things on his plate. The offensive coordinator
a same things and have more things on his plate.
But your quarterback coach answers those simple questions, what's my
third read on this play? You know, like it's okay
to ask those Sometimes you just need that person there
(19:28):
to answer it. But he's also, like I said, he's
got to be able to relay the message from the
top down in a consistent manner. And that's where good
offenses flourish is when everybody's on the same page. It's
not a tight end coach teaching this, and then you
go over and go, what the hell are you teaching him?
You know, Post said this, You got to all be
on that same page, right and having your QB coach
(19:51):
on the same page with you there to answer the questions,
run you through progressions, be there in between. You know,
periods when you're overloaded at camp and like need someone
to like just bring it down to not you know,
that's what our quarterback coach comes in because you're not
going to go bother the OC with that. You're not
going to bother coach Peyton with that. They got all
kinds of stuff on their plates. So a QB coach
(20:13):
is very important. You got to have a really good relationship,
a lot of trust, and hopefully you like the guy.
And if you don't like him, hopefully he's just a
really damn good coach and you can accept that maybe
he's an asshole, but he's a damn good coach.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
That happens. Yeah, Hey, I don't mind it.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Man. If you're not a nice guy and you don't
know how to treat people right, as long as you've
coached me how to do my job, and I can
go out there and have the best chance to win,
and I can accept that. It's better though, when you
do have someone that's good and you get along with him,
that's always good for the whole room.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Per Jake Plummer joining us here now, Bananda Mendozo is
expected to go at the top of.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
The draft of the Raiders.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
They brought in Kirk Cousins to I guess sort of
mentor him, and it sounds like the expectation and planned
is to have Kirk Cousins start the season. I guess
there's a circumstance the Mendoza wins the competition.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
But what do you in general think about giving young.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Quarterbacks, rookie quarterbacks a season to learn under a vet.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Uh? You know, every coach has their own ways. I
think we've seen a lot of guys come in right
away and bo being one of them, have immediate success.
It can happen, you know, it's definitely possible. I don't know,
you know why they would draft him number one if
they don't want to get him out there right now.
You know, for me, it's like you don't buy a
(21:32):
Ferrari and just set it in the garage and wait
till you learn how to drive properly or learn you know,
the traffic dies down, you know, you get out.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
And drive it.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
You know you're gonna draft this kid number one. You
throw it at him. See what he's got that. That's
one of the best things for a young quarterback is
to be overwhelmed, overloaded to the point of like, oh
my god. And then you're going to see what he's
all about. Is he gonna crack? Is he gonna crumble
or is he going to become a better leader by
putting his nose as a drive stone, working his ass off,
(22:01):
getting better, improving upon the plays he's not making in
practice during camp. Now you come out the next day, look,
oh man, we saw he did the work, and those
that did the work, this kid wants it. And that's
also you know, that's just part of that process. You know,
I didn't get thrown in right away, but I got
put in halfway through the year. And I was grateful because, uh,
(22:21):
the protections and schemes like that we didn't. We ran
some protection at ASU, but not to the extent that
they run on the NFL field. When you're seeing multiple
defenses and you're getting to play against the Ravens defense.
Back then with Ray Lewis and Ed Reid, you know,
you had you had to have multiple protections. So my
head was swimming even when I finally got in. These
(22:42):
kids now they know a hell of a lot more
though they've been groomed. The game that they're growing up
playing has trickled up into the NFL, so there is
a little bit of an understanding or a little bit
more of an ease of being able to make plays
and functions as it was, you know, old from college
to the pros. Back when I came out, it was
a it was a really big jump. Now it's not
(23:05):
as big. There's a lot of the college game trickled up,
so these kids can't come in and we see them
have success. It's like bo has had here with the Broncos,
Jake Ryan.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Has taking a victory lap. Yes, I think, well, you
know incorrectly. Oh no, here's here's what I had said earlier.
R Ryan advocated starting Fernando Mendoza no matter what, that's right,
I okay, I said, if they don't think Fernando Mendoza
(23:35):
is ready to go week one, they're going to start
Kirk Cousins if he's ready to go. Then maybe Ryan's
advocating because he's picks.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Number one overall.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
He starts no matter what.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Yeah, I mean, I I don't know. We know, we
know the coach down there right yep, Yeah, another cub.
He's doing a great job. And what they did in
Seattle was was I mean their offense they had all
the pieces right. The offense he's running is phenomenal when
you got all the pieces to the puzzle. As we
(24:12):
saw multiple playmakers, receivers catching everything, turning you know, a
simple screen into a forty yard fifty yard seventy yard
touchdown and running back hit increases catching the ball of
the backfield. It was very diverse and dynamic. Was it
a very complicated scheme. If he's running you know stuff
that he obviously has gleamed from his father, from Shanahan,
(24:34):
from the West Coast style, it does take some time.
It takes developing rhythm and timing with your receivers. So
you know, Mendoza gets strafted, he's going to go right
into it. And you know, every kid's dream is coming
true and you get that chance to go out and
make it in the NFL. There's nothing bigger or better
than the NFL, that's the top and so when he
(24:56):
makes it, it's time for him to get to work them.
All I've seen from him, he seems to be a
great kid with his feet, well grounded and good people
around him. Now it's just a matter of him, you know,
stepping up to the next level. And the Jersey colors
are probably similar to college. There's just different names on him.
And now these guys don't make many mistakes. Those throwaway
(25:18):
balls you could do and uh back with the Hoosiers,
they're probably gonna be coming back at you as an interception.
So you know, you just have to dial it in.
I think he'll be good. I would play the guy.
I would put him in and play him. You know,
you don't want to get him hurt. But if you
don't want to get him hurt, then stop playing football.
You know, there's always that risk you're not gonna save
his body by not putting him in right away, and
(25:39):
that learning curve the quicker you can, you know, throw
the feet in the fire. Obviously, if he's still if
he's not as knowledgeable in the game as we may
think he is, then yeah, you got to you gotta
gauge that. But I think the kids smart knows his stuff,
and if you know, should be able to come in
right away and play, then he's gonna have Kirk Cousins
there too. Who's gonn to be that answer guy? You
(26:01):
to be that guy that's breaking it down, breaking down
the little simple thing possible, like when we run trapped, right,
do I spin out to the left? Wait with my
left shoulder or my right?
Speaker 3 (26:11):
Like?
Speaker 5 (26:12):
What am I doing here? You know? Because those things
come up, you just get overloaded. And so Kurt's been
a great quarterback in this league, a great human, very
well you know well known to be a very supportive teammate.
So I think that that's a good situation happened in there,
and I really, I really hope that the Raiders do
well just because of Koobs. I mean, Flint was a
(26:32):
little kid here when we were playing back in the day.
With It's great to see him have success, no doubt.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Brilliantly said, I love your breakdown there, says said more
or less everything I told Dave. So I always appreciate
that I didn't know. I didn't know you say all
those things. I didn't see you up for those kinds
of things. But I do appreciate the expertise.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Of validated you.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
The validation that doesn't happen too often the show.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
And hey, but I might not be right, So you
know you can't let put all the eggs and on Batman.
Just because I said it doesn't mean that's the case.
It's just what I think. And you know you can't
refute that because I do. I played a lot of football,
so I kind of understand it. But I also may
be wrong. Day.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
I appreciate you, man, I have a fantastic weekend. Look
forward to checking with you down the road.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
Right on. You guys have a good one to take
care of.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Jake, We'll see you. Thank you, Jake, Jake Plumber.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
He's complete mischaracterization, which you are the best I've ever
been around at well.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
First of all, thank you.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Well if you take that as a compliment, then you're welcome.
You're welcome. I mean, he did not at all, He
did not at all. You said that Mendoz, who would
start day one? No matter what, that's what you said.
I said, No, he would start if he was ready
to start day one. If not, they're gonna go with
(27:55):
the guy that gives them the best chance to win.
That's not how you laid it at the plumber. But
I should get used to this at least for a
little bit longer, because this is how you do things.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
I said they should start Mendoza, no matter what. I
didn't say that he will.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
I think said they should, And I said, that is
such faulty thinking in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
You start him even if he's not ready.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
You got gets, you would start him even if he's
not ready.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
You took him first overall.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yes, I understand, you don't need to go over yes
or no? Yes, Okay.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Then my answer to that, like last week, was that's
why you're sitting here with me in the studio.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
What about you?
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Rick?
Speaker 5 (28:37):
You know?
Speaker 3 (28:38):
My question is when was the.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Last time a quarterback picked first overall did not start
Week one?
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Baker Mayfield?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Baker, So you go back, that's that eight years ago
or so?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah? Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
How many quarterbacks love less than that?
Speaker 4 (28:57):
How many quarterbacks have been picked overall number one since
Baker Mayfield? I don't know. I don't either. I'll tell
you who would be well, Caleb Williams. Wouldn't he pick
number one?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (29:12):
And he and the kid and the kid in Carolina?
Bryce yes, young, young pick number one.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Right, And in today's NFL, it seems like when you
take a quarterback first, go overall, you're going to play
him now where in the past maybe not. You know,
we've seen quarterback Aaron Rodgers maybe. So I mean, you
play if you think he's ready to play, if you
think he's ready, if you don't think he's ready to play.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
What moron is going to say or advocate for a
guy to play that's not ready to play?
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Wow, Well you're not doing are you doing that?
Speaker 6 (29:48):
I'm saying he should play because he's your first You
know what, moron?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I stop and think what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
If he's not ready to play, you're gonna play him anyway?
Speaker 6 (29:59):
I'm I mean, there's a lot of sub supposition there,
but I I wait.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Wait, wait what supposition?
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Well, that's a statement if he's not ready to play,
are you going to play him?
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Don's that supposition at all?
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Well?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
What does that even mean? Like what he's not ready
to play?
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Well?
Speaker 1 (30:13):
But by whose definition he is?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
The coaches that make.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
The decision on you think he's ready to throw him
out there against and then put the team in Week one,
or do we go with Cousins because he needs some.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
More practice time than you probably already missed on your
first round pick. I disagree, Yeah, I mean it's already
a miss. You don't take a quarter by first overall
and then say.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
Oh, how about the Browns. You think Baker's a pretty
good player. Yeah, so I did the Browns miss on
their first round draft choice because Baker didn't start.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
I could also argue that maybe he was stunted in
his growth because they him.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Oh god, oh my Godrod.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
Taylor start the season instead. Also, Hugh Jackson was kind
of a why mess?
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Why do you think they let Tyrod Taylor start over Baker?
Speaker 6 (30:55):
Mayfol because Hugh Jackson is an idiot and he didn't
want to start.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Listen, I'm not an advocate of Hugh Jackson, but do
you think maybe that the staff felt like, hey, our
best chance to win, at least for the early going
of this season is Taylor.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
How that got Baker didn't go good?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (31:11):
So, kim Ward Kill, Williams, Bryce Young, Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow,
Kyler Murray. There's only one non quarterback in the mix
is Trayvon Walker with Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
So everybody else Okay, and all they all started.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
That's how it is. Well, maybe maybe Mendoza does start
in this case.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
I'm just saying I wouldn't start him unless I thought
he was ready to start. Kirk Cousins, you'd have to
look and see who the backups were, you know, for
these other guys, Kirk Cousins, highly accomplished NFL VET who
can win you football games.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
So maybe they would look at it.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
And I know he knows the offense, yes, almost better
than the guy does.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I would think he would get off to a much
better start than Mendoza.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Would I think.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
I think AFC West fans, Broncos fans hope Mendoza starts
Week one, it plays the entire season.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
I do, I do too, Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Hmm.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Okay, well you can't.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
You're going to start for You're going to start Mendoza
no matter what.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Because he's the first pick in the draft.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
I feel like the whole he's not ready, as a
bit nebulous, like what if he because it's right to
the point, well no, it's it's really not because because
it's based on whose assessments, Like, well, it's the coaches
that get paid to assess that, But what if he's
advocating like, no, I am ready to play and I
want to play.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
What player do you know that hasn't advocated I'm ready
to go. You draft the guy first in the in
the draft and he says, you know, listen, I'm just
not ready for this.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Can we can? I have some more practice time and play.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Every player wants to play. That's what coaches. It paid
millions of dollars to make those decisions.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
Did and Drew Locke say the year that Joe Flacco
was here, didn't he say like he actually enjoyed, enjoyed,
but he said he needed the time because he felt
like he was drinking through a fire hose first picking
the drift, saying that's an example I can I'm thinking
of coming to mind of a quarterback saying actually sitting
down was a good thing for me.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
I think in the long term it probably was. You
would you would disagree because he was a high draft choice.
You would have played Drew Locke right off the bat.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Right if the quarterback is saying, well, he was hurt
also like he wasn't available to play, that was and
so he sat he sat.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
There as soon as he was healthy, you'd have inserted
him into the offense.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Right, it is the.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Second round pick. It's a different conversation than arrest sustained.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
I don't even know. I'm all twisted up, overruled a
little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
I uh.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
We'll get that interview with Jake Plumber brilliant analysis again
up at the KWA, Colorado dot com. Right, I'll be
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That four packet tickets to that comedy tour performance.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
When we come back, I gotta talk a little bit
about last night Rockies game for a moment again. The
big news of the day the Petners, Kerrie greg They
are now part owners.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Of the Rockies. What does it all mean. We'll get
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