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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Rockies off tonight's they'll be back at it tomorrow in
Houston taking on the Astros, a tough weekend for them.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
We'll get to the Rockies here in just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
A question on the text line, though, what kind of
draft picks to the Broncos have in twenty twenty seven? Well,
right now they have all their own picks and they
should have at least the fourth rounder for JFM, unless
they decide to do something squarely between now and the
post draft compensatory formula same.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
As we have it, and as everyone knows, every team
is playing this comp pig formula a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
More, doing a better job at it.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
There was always the teams like the forty nine ers
and the Ravens, and I'm trying to think there's been
teams that have been just so good at it for
so long, But now more teams are just open to
it and saying, yeah, it doesn't make any sense for
us to mess with this thing.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Like why wouldn't you? Also because if especially for free
agents out there, and you know, as even myself talking
to teams, and teams are very worried about about this formula.
And I guess the biggest thing is more of like
what can you wait and still get the guy as
you want? Because I think that determines the the action
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of Okay, we got to pull the trigger now, or
can we try to negotiate it a month after this
formula is done and like it is this guy gonna
get signed tomorrow. And that's why you see the waves
of free agency and they're changing now. You know, used
to always be the first wave it's like the first week,
and then the second wave would be you know after,
but now it's like the big wave is after the draft,
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and I think you're going to see a lot of
veterans get picked up once that COMPIC formula is kind
of is done. I think insect may second.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yep, I think some somewhere around there.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So you'll, well, we'll finish with the draft, everybody's going
to be starting to look forward to the schedule release
and in between that is when you'll see a lot
of signings sort of pop up. Maybe some people that
we are familiar names, I guess yea out there never know.
This was an interesting point and I've seen this discussed
a little bit as we we lead into the draft,
and I wanted to ask you guys about it. The
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RPO rate run past option rate in college football. Now,
first of all, why would a team, in your opinion,
why do teams lean on RPOs? Maybe a little bit
more in college. Let's start with that baseline before I
get to the stat here. Why would a team want
to lean on that a bit more in college.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
That in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Yeah, I think I think there'd be three or four things. One,
in certain RPOs. You in college, your quarterback is a
threat to run, which means in the NFL, your quarterback
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is a threat to get these brains knocked out. And
there's too much money invested, you know, in quarterbacks. Also,
I think the defenses have better players in there. It's
a much more complex scheme generally speaking.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
In the NFL, I would say this.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
I would say the difference between college defenses and the
NFL defenses is greater than the difference between some high
school defenses and college defenses.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
That makes sense.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
I mean, you got jump, you got yeah, and you
got guys that that's all they do, and they're really
good at it. So you're on the risk of it,
and you're you're getting your quarterback hit. They're not full
full field reads right in r PO. You either give it,
I mean a lot of times you give it, or
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there will be a screen involved in some respect, or
you know, a short route, a seam route, what what
have you. But you're limited a little bit, and in
college you know pretty much you got basic coverages that
you're going to get that those most of the RPOs
would be more likely to work against.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I think the biggest thing about RPOs in college is
it's a way to get your best players in the
space with the hash marks where they are obviously you know,
being as wide, you know as they are like that,
it gives them so much more space to be able
to go to the far side of the field, do
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a bubble that way. Now it's truly it's two on two,
but you have fifteen yards of separation either way. And
I think that right there gives these teams the potential
of a pretty safe throw with the opportunity to go
for a big play. And it's a very simple read.
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For a lot of these quarterbacks in college that can't
read defenses and don't really know what they're looking at,
it's very simple. You're reading one person and making a
play end. Well, that's if it's a read option if
you're doing it, if you're running a bubble, you're seeing
if that guy is pressing down, you're not throwing it,
you know what I mean. And so that's it's little
things like that. I believe that it just makes it
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easier on the quarterback. If you look at that, look
at that's Indiana team, it was pretty much very simple
game plan.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Well, that almost leads me right to what I wanted
to ask you guys about, because for Nana Mendoza, one
of the knocks against him, if you will, and I
don't even know if it's a significant one, is that
they ran a lot of RPO there in Indiana, almost
twenty percent of his snaps, so you know, one out
of five plays as an RPO.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Is that bad thing?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I don't know if it's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
But it seems like that might be have to be
factored in a little bit onto what you're doing with
him at with Clint Kubiak there the raid, what's that
does it really on that mass?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
You really have to factor that into what he's doing
because in the NFL, you can't survive in an RPO
that much like you just can't. The player is a
way too athletic and like they have said, the defenses
are just too good.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I don't think it necessarily has to be factored in.
I knowing Clinton a little bit, that there will be
a small RPO package for I think for part of
what he's going to encounter. I mean, his thing is
going to be how quickly he can adapt to and
I think it may be quicker than you think. How
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how quickly can he adapt to the NFL style game.
Clint Kubiak is going to be a guy that wants
he wants to run the ball.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
He's a heavy.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Play action guy, really creative play action package, and I
think I think Fernando honestly will fit into that. I
think I think he could not have picked other than
maybe a McVeigh or a Shanahan. He couldn't have picked
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a better offensive guy to sort of play for, because
I mean, he believes in the running game, and the
play action game is built off that run. I think
too often in the NFL when you look at teams
that they try to play past you and the action
of the play pass is like something they haven't run
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the ball.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
With the entire game.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
It's I mean defensives are way too good for that.
I guarantee you Clint Kubiak will married will marry his
run game with the three or four different play action looks.
And I think Mendoza is a guy that really prides
himself on being able. I mean, you think of think
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of Peyton Manning, how hard he would work on the
play action fake. Right, the ball is extended. When the
ball is extended, your head's not up in the air.
You don't hand the ball off for the running back
with your head in the air. Your head is down
that arm. And you've got to be able that second
level of defenders that those are the guys you're trying
to affect, not the guys that look like Shelby. You're
trying to affect the second level with respect. Like when
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they ball snapped, they got to see in their mind
that's a run and they take a step and a
half up and then in the NFL, that's all you
need in the play action game. Well, he's a Kobyak,
so he's going to run the ball. Like we know
that he that he grew up with the run game
in his DNA. But I think the biggest thing is
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he you know you watched Fernando Mendoza and you I
know a lot of people probably haven't seen much of
him play. My biggest worry for him though, is he
can't he can't keep taking the hits like he did
in college. If you look at the National Championship game,
he was getting messed up, he was getting smacked.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And now you are the teams one of the team's
the biggest investments. You got to find a way to
protect yourself. And once you find out, well, like you know,
going back to his RPO talk, you can technically hit
the quarterback on any type of read option. Every time
I see I don't see them run a read option
a lot in Vegas, and I would hope not because
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he needs the one learn how to slide, but also
when he gets in these situations, he has to protect
himself and not take these big hits because now a
whole franchise is depending on you for success, and it
depending on you to be healthy. And that right there
is probably going to be his big hardest thing to
switch from from the NFL to college because in college
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we see it, we see it all the time, these
quarterbacks trying to run people over. You know, quarterbacks refuse
to go down. You know, that's kind of frowned upon
in the NFL. They even have to you know, they've
talked to every quarterback that used.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
To do this.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Josh Allen got to learn how to get down, Lamar Jackson, Hey,
you've been hurt the last three years. You've got to
learn how to get down. So any quarterback that uses
his legs. It's an adjusting period going into the NFL,
but it'd be worth it to figure it out soon.
Nobody can figure out. Man, I don't want to hear
it as easy. I heard them if this takes the
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five man rush and.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Talking about that.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Simple everybody would do it. That blows my mind. First off,
you just put a target on your team's back because
now don't don't play the Ravens don't have Lamar goal
for four hundred, three hundred passing one hundred rushing on you.
Then everyone's gonna be asking you did you figure out Lamar?
I thought you figured out Lamar?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
What happened? Who is it?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
It's Charles mine who here's a pretty good he's a
good player. Good player. Yeah, so he's not like a
scrub out there talking noise.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
He is a good player. So I'll read the quote
here in a second. We were talking a little NBA
in the break. Did you guys realize that there were
more than forty five hundred more free throws this season
than last year? So last year fifty three thousand, three
hundred twelve free throws, this year fifty seven thousand.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
How many you have?
Speaker 4 (10:59):
That's the difference.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I mean, on one hand, it becomes a thing where
it's not a great brand of basketball. I don't think
any of us are going to sit here and say, well,
that's a good trend for the NBA to beyond. But simultaneously,
like we were having a conversation earlier about the PGA,
it's not against the rules to lean in a little bit,
is it, I guess, to lean into the that they're
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going to make these calls that this is what the
rest are calling.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
I think it's such a hard game to officiate, to
tell you the truth, and it's pretty clear that, I
mean some if you looked at the amount of contact
that Jokic gets in the blocks, you would have to say,
if you're an honest person, that he is officiated differently
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than anybody else. He certainly officiated differently than SGA, than
some of the great two guards, some of the wings scores,
And maybe it's just because he has such a big
body that they're just reluctant to call every single thing
because he you know, he's a huge man. I mean,
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Shack has talked about this forever. You know, when he played,
it's like, I mean, I got officiated completely differently, and
you know what, I think it's probably right. I think
he's true, it's truthful.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Well, the shacks whole experience would have been different if
he would have known how to shoot free throws. The hackershack,
the hackershack. You know that san Antonio famously went through
with the hackershack idea wouldn't have worked. If it wasn't.
If he made his free throws, then we would have
truly seen how Shaq was really officiated. But you know,
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I would just love for officiating in general to go
more towards the Olympic style and me because I would
love to actually see SGA, Like, I'm not well versed
on how he played during the Olympics, but I know
it wasn't like how he's playing in the NBA, because
in Olympics they don't call those little touch more content,
it's a lot more contact and guys are playing through it.
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I would love to see that in the NBA, because
we are rewarding people for manipulating the refs, and I
think that right there is the issue. And I think
what a lot of fans have fans have problems with
is because the SGA or somebody that you've seen guys
manipulate the ref's eyes by jumping in people's and shooting
and and doing all this other stuff that really takes
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away from the game of basketball. So if we could
just go to an Olympic style where you know there
will be a little contact, but unless it's egregious, you're
expected to play through it, I think we would get
a better product of basketball, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Usually two players ahead of Shay in free throw attempts
per game. Chaye of course, had nine free throw attempts
per game, which feels like on the low side. Honestly,
Portland Portland Trail Blazers, Denny Abdidja. I'm probably mispronounced that,
but that's really for I have a question mark at
the end. Yeah, yeah, and then Luca. Luca actually led
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the NBA this year in free throw attempts per game.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
At over ten. I'm not a surprise though, but he.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Did not finish with an opportunity to win NBA Honors.
Sixty four didn't make it, but she's gonna probably win anyways.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Crazy and I'm a complete voter fatigue. And when you
have a generational player, a top three all time player
in the coilkicch and the season that he has had,
it is a travesty and it's a shame that the
MVP is not going to go to him.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
You ought to you ought to look back before we
go to a break. It's at some point we all do.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
I mean, his his numbers are better in every offensive
category than when he won his last MVP. I wonder
how many times that has happened to a previous MVP
who improves in every offensive.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Category and yet does not win the MVP.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Again, pretty wild, Yeah, we can take a look at that.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Average is a triple double?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Right? Come on, what are we watching? Are we watching
the same game here or do we have our blinders
on for I don't know why, but Nakola Yoakis is
the best player in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Charles Minnuh we were talking about this just a little
bit ago.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
He said, this on a on a recent podcast Speakeasy
talk show, where he said that the league has quote
unquote figured out Lamar Jackson, that does not figured out
Josh Allen. Here's the quote with Lamar. Honestly, you bring
a five man rush on him. I love that you
already knew this quote, Shelby.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You bring a five man rush on him and colapse
the pocket.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
He's drifting backwards and unfortunately he might make a play
that isn't going to be the best play for the Ravens.
With Josh, he's going to drift backwards, run around, and
so he's hard to tackle. He's a large human being,
hard to get down. He can make every throw, every
throw from no matter where he's at. His arm strength
is unbelievable. I don't think Lamar has the big amount
of arm strength like Josh does. Like I said, I
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think you figured out Lamar. You come after him, you
close all the lanes, you five man rush him, and
you cover his guys.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I think he can get it done. It's been shown.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I mean, Lamar had a tough year last year, so
this feels like a little bit of a piling on
kind of deal.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Dave what's your read on that.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
I do think you want to try to keep Lamar
in the pocket, crush it. He does have a tendency
to back straight up. But I mean, as Shelby said,
it's a lot easier said than done.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I mean, you can, you know, you can get on a.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Dry erase board and draw up all sorts of fronts
in all sorts of coverages, and if we do this,
then if they do this, we'll come out and this
and this. But that's one thing, and then to execute
it with your personnel is completely different. I think everything
you said about Josh Allen is true everything, But I
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you know, I wouldn't if I'm him, I would not
have said anything about Hilmar.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Like, my biggest take from this is you don't have
to bash one player to uplift another. You don't have
to bash Lamar to start talking positively about Josh Allen.
There are two different players. Lamar Jackson's hard enough to
tackle as is played him, you know in Cleveland twice
a year, you know what I mean. Like, I've had
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multiple free hits on him, and he is hard to
bring down. Now, Josh Allen does bring size, and that
is true. But Lamar Jackson is a general generational player
on his own like he does not. We do not
need to compare him to anyone. There is no one
like Josh Allen, and I hate how we try to
compare him to any quarterback that can run. That's Lamar
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Jackson doesn't just run. He scrambles. There are two different
things that those are two completely different things, scrambling and run.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
He used to be more design runs, right.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Well, he was before last year. Last year he got hurt. Yeah,
you know, last year he was hurt most so I understand.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Why there's still doing a lot of design with Josh
Allen though, And.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Wait and then when he gets hurt, they will change
that too, because it was a lot of QB powers.
It was a lot of QB runs earlier in Lamar's career.
Then he started getting banged up, and then he's now
they've they've shied away from. Now he will pull it
and run and you still have to account for him
and a read option. But to act like Lamar Jackson
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isn't one of the toughest matchups in the NFL is
acdine like completely absurd. It makes no sense and I
don't understand obviously he hasn't had to play him too
much because five man pressures do. Yeah, that's great, but
if he gets loose, he's gone. And that's why teams
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don't like the necessarily always do that because and also,
way are the menu who played last year?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah yeah, yeah, not has a Fred Warner.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Able to spy Lamar Jackson and able to go and
chase him.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Down well, and with a five man rush, you you
compromise your back end, you lose. Also, you lose a
guy in coverage, right, So you better have you better
have five guys that are disciplined, that are not necessarily
in it to try to get their own stat I mean,
it's it's very you know, it calls for five guys
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to collapse that pocket. It calls for your edge guys
of those five not to come too far upfield. Even
if they feel like they can quick swim they can
make a move on this tackle and beat him upfield,
you can't come too far upfield because then you take
yourself out of the sea gap, and then if the
guy next to you gets pinned inside at all, Lamar's
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on a full gallop into the sea gap, and then
you got real problems. Because you have one less defender
in the back end of your defense.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
And that's the scariest part down too. You're pretty much
guaranteeing that if they don't get home, someone's going to
be open. And so you have your There is no
guarantee when you're playing on Lamar Jackson. He's not a
Peyton Manning, he's not a Time Brady, he's not just
standing in the pocket and so and as we all know,
these f rushers don't necessarily keep contained very well.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
We see that. We see it all the time. These rushers.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
They like to bend to edge, they like they like
the speed rush outside. So you make it sound so simple.
Oh yeah, it's five man rush keep them contained. That
sounds great, That sounds very easy when we just talk
about it like this. But when you have to go
out there and actually perform this man, you'll see why
everybody that plays Samar Jackson has to respect for him.
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That we all do. And it's obviously like, I'm not
Charles Bennie, who is a hell of a player. He's
made a lot of plays, but that that was a
dumb take.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Well, in this dumb take, because you're a current player
and I guess he was with a Thief's actually last
couple of years, and now he's with Washington and signed
with them this offseason. But you're gonna play these guys, right,
I mean, I I don't know. I have plenty of
compete in a lot of things in my life, but
certainly in this case, knowing that I had to compete
against this guy.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
You don't think Lamar Jackson's gonna see that and be like, Okay.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Well, I would want to know what the question was.
How what was asked of him?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
That's a good question.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Was he asked directly, Hey, let's talk about Lamar Jackson
and Josh Allen. I mean, how would you compare those
two quarterbacks? I mean, if he's asked, if he's asked that,
then he probably just tried to answer it in an
in an honest and an honest way.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, And that's understandable. But to make it seem so
simple to contain a Lamar Jackson the man, a man
who we've seen seamlessly pretty much do them possible? We
a mine who was with Kansas City last.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Year, yeah, last three years. Actually I lost track of him.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, because honestly I remember because he made a big
play against US when I was in Seattle. So that's
why I've always thought about him as a forty nine er.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Yeah, he was there. I think I was in Houston
before too.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Twenty one and twenty two he was with the forty
nine ers and with Houston before that.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Okay, so he was in San Francisco, yep.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And then twenty three through twenty five he's with Kansas City.
So what do you think they're gonna do with bon
Nicks this year? As far as because we were just
talking about players taking too many hits and.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Not wanting your quarterback to do that.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
You just come off of a season ending injury, and
I know that that's not factoring in necessarily to what
Davis Webb is going to be doing out there. Is
for the play calling, But do you think there's an
organizational mindset of like, hey, bo, let's not take those hits,
let's get down.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Or I see I don't just going back in my
mind calling every game, I don't think he took a
lot of hits.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
I really don't.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
I mean, I I just don't. I'm not saying he
never got hit, but I think he's smart in terms
of his ability to escape the pocket, pick up positive
yards and then get out of bounds. He's not He
didn't do anything that I can remember, and if so,
not too many times where you're like, oh, man, would
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you please go down? I mean, he didn't, you know,
try to run people over, And so I know, I
don't think you change.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I think part of.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
What makes Bow such an outstanding young quarterbacks his ability
to improvise. And I think again we talked about that
last year. You you want to if you're if you're
running the offense or designing plays or you're calling plays,
you want to. You don't want to take that away
from him, but you also want to have some ability
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to kind of, you know, reel.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
It in from time to time. Right.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
I just think with him, I think you let him
play and you live with the results, and there'll be
many more plays that he makes. You'll be like, man,
was that that was a really great play? As opposed
to god, Man, why did he throw that? You know
you're gonna have some of those. Why did he throw that?
Because you have those with every player, and maybe you
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have those a couple more times with Bo, but you're
gonna have more of the Holy Cow. And that guy
was sacked and he ran for twenty seven yards and
on third and eleven. Now is first, You're gonna have
many more of those moments that you don't want to
harness him away from than you will the bad moments.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Bow's best plays came when he used his legs, was
able to move, you know, get out of a jam
in the middle, move outside, and make a good throwing
out of the pocket. And I think you don't want
to hinder him and stop telling him to stop making
those plays because I feel like that's the part of
who he is as a player. And I think, but
bo Nick, though, it's everything that he does, and some
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of the best things seem to is off, you know,
off schedule. And I don't think he's necessarily a runner
like how you think of like a Josh Allen and
Lamar Jackson. So I wouldn't change it. And I get it.
It's easy to have this conversation because he got hurt
last year, and you know, the idea behind stopping quarterbacks
for running is we want to preserve your health. But
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this is a big part of his game, and I
think you love bo Nicks because of this part of
his game too, of his ability to extend, especially now
that you have more speed on this team. You can
only imagine if he can extend a little bit more
and Jayden Walloll could get beyond the defense, now you
might start seeing more sixty seventy yard touchdowns because of
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his ability to scramble. And I think it's the difference
if you're scrambling the throw or scrambling the run. And
I always truly believe that he's scrambling to throw the ball.
He's looking downfield, and that's what you want out of
your quarterback. I don't think you want to take that
type of playmaking away from him.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
It's an interesting conversation that comes to oval quarterbacks, right
and he I mean he carried it eighty three times
last year. I don't know how many of those were,
you know, designed passes that he took off and ran on.
I don't remember them having a ton of designed runs.
I remember that one. I don't either, just a few times.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
I mean when he did he did a couple of
times against the Giants, Yeah, late late in the game.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, the Texans, I remember they they closed that game
out on the road.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
He did it the year before. I remember the New
Orleans game yep, yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
I mean he rushed for seventy, like seventy five yards
in that game on ten carries.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
So it's not the same kind of conversation. I guess
there is something too. What is a quarterback like if
you have to take some of that stuff away? Like
Josh Allen, for example, had one hundred and twelve carries
last year, like very prolific. In fact, Josh Allen has
fourteen touchdowns twelve touchdowns fifteen touchdowns last three years. That's
how many rushing touchdowns, and some of those are a
goal line different deal. But the point of it is
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is like Josh Allen, I think would still be a
very good quarterback if you took that away from him,
But would he be as prolific? Would he be one
of the best quotquarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
I think he would be one of the best quarterbacks
in the league because of his arm talent. But you
got to keep in mind it's different. Even though Shelby said,
and I believed this to be true, you sooner or later,
I don't care who you are or how strong you are.
If you run your quarterback in the NFL, you're gonna
getting banged up, it's just gonna happen. That said, he's
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built different than bo Nicks, than Lamar Jackson, than Mahomes.
I mean, Josh Allen is six five and two hundred
and forty pounds, maybe a little bit bigger, and an athlete.
He can run, so you can afford more to run
quarterback power or counter with a guy like Josh Allen. Now,
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I do think he's not nearly as good as bo
at getting down and I'm a fan of Josh Allen,
but there were games when Buffalo's playing where he's running
up in there like hit me in my I don't care.
I'm thinking, oh, bro, get your pad level down before
you get your head knocked off. But he is a big,
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strong stud, and I mean more so than any quarterback
I think we have in the game.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Well, don't forget Josh Allen had a foot issue at
the end of the year, which could be accredited to
running the football. And so it's not necessarily these big
injuries that can take.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
A toll, but the overall.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Makeup of your quarterback, especially if you start having foot
foot problems, you can't move around the pocket. Now you're
just a statue. And now He's just a six five,
two hundred and fifty pounds statue. And but like once again,
Josh Allen is one of the most dynamic quarterbacks in
the league. But the idea also is the older he gets,
you know, the more wear and tear it is on
that body, you're not going to want to run as much.
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And so then now he has to more rely on
his arm. And that's what I expect to see the
next couple of years. Is Josh Allen really redefined his
game as Yeah, he'll scramble, but I definitely think the
QB runs will definitely be out out of the playbooks soon. Yes,
because no one the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
You don't think Josh at the.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Buffalo Bills would not even be competitive without Josh Allen,
And so for if he was to get hurt, it's
over for them. Like and like, he is such a
big I'm not saying it's not a knock on any
of their other players. He is really just a big
cog of what they do on offense. And so if
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you their whole passing game, the downfield passing game is
all based around Josh Allen. So but just like any
any team league, you lose just starting a quarterback, you're
gonna struggle. But this team and in general will struggle
because on fourth and short, on third and short, they
go to their quarterback to get the first downs, they're
not they don't hand the ball off. Josh Allen will
go get those plays. So this is it changes the
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whole game plan, especially for them losing your quarterback because
short yardage is Josh Allen's time.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Well, I mean, I'm not trying to be argumentative on it,
but I will ask, as you try to argue, I
will as David is not, I will ask how many
teams without their starting quarterback can really operate?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
And that's why I said, you know, but the issue
is they wouldn't even necessarily be able to. They have
James Cook, hell of the back, one of the becks
backs in the league. But short yardage, though, they depend
on Josh Allen. If they need a you know, four
and four, you might see Josh Allam drop back, but
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then he's running like it's a lot of times where
in a lot of situations where he uses his legs
to really help them. If you lose that aspect, I
don't know what you have.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Adam Trauman was on with our friends from DMVR, and
he had some really cool things to say. He was
talking a little bit about Sean Payton giving a play calling.
By the way, agreed with you, Dave. It's a little
surprised when he heard just, uh, this is Adam talking
about how bo Nicks is a big reason why he
felt the team was able to win some of those
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close games this last year.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
He's kind of like the stone cold like killer to
be honest, like, there's this he's the same and I'm
talking we're talking about consistency, but he's the same from
snap one to snap sixty five. Like wherever we are
in the game, you feel confidence, and there's like it's
hard to describe, right, like you know something's gonna happen.
He's going to make a play, like whether he has
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to scramble and kind of improvise make a play, or
whether he's gonna sit in the poppy, go through his reads,
get us in the right play if we're in like
a menu type of thing at the large of scrimmage,
like he's so you have a lot of confidence in
him because of how he carries himself and because he
is calm during the game, like there's some guys and
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then you know, you play with guys probably that are
like they're like freaking out and nervous during the game
and all that type of stuff. But then there's also
like the guys who are cool and calm. Yeah, he's
just got that like excuse my language, and he's got
that true to him right where you always feel like
it's gonna get done. And that's why we won so
many close games last year is because of him. Obviously
our defense is incredible, and but like O being able
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to always pull it out, and like the New York
Giants game is the greatest example, Like who would have
thought we were going to win that game?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Right?
Speaker 6 (32:22):
And then it's just like you keep plugging away and
plugging away, and eventually he's gonna something's gonna break and
in my work and it did. So Yeah, we have
all the confidence in the world and him, and he's
obviously also a great team and a great person as well.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I like the focus of that answer so much on
his personality and what his sort of leadership style in
the calmness he has he said from start to finish
the game, he's the same guy that that really can
be overstated in my opinion.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think it's pretty evident
really for a young guy to come in and play
the way he's played his first two years. There's absolutely
nobody that at this point of Bo's career that would
look at that career and.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Say, Okay, he's maxed out.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
We've seen the best of Bo Nicks, and he's been
pretty damn good up to this point. And he's going
to get better, you know, he is when he becomes
even more comfortable the speed of the game, who he's throwing,
the little nuances of playing the position. I mean, a
guy like Bo, I think, you know, it might be
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year eight or nine where really you.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Start to kind of max out.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Doesn't mean he can't play ten to eleven, twelve, but
he might not get appreciably better physically. At that point,
you can still get better mentally and you still have
enough ability that you can play at a high level physically.
So I mean, I you know, you don't have to
be a rocket scientist to figure out that they've got
their guy. And it's equally important that the team feels like, hey,
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we've got our guy, right.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
It doesn't it doesn't really matter what.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
The three of us think, but that locker room looks
at that guy and says, oh, that's that's a dude.
And when you have that and he can back it
up with play, you can win a lot of games.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Bot Knicks has the opportunity to be the best quarterback
in that draft, and that's saying a lot. He already
has the best stats out of any quarterback in that
draft with fifty four touchdowns and twenty three interceptions. And
interceptions are a little high, but that's expected for a
young player. But what I love about everything that Boat
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Knicks is about is he's just shown he's a winner.
You know, we like we would talk about these one
score games so much, but we always say the offense
will somehow figure it out at the end of the day. Well,
according to I'm probleman, that's Bo Nicks. Both Knicks is
the answer and he has been. And I'm just I'm
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extremely impressed with the ascension of this Broncos team since
Bonus has taken over, because the one unknown in that
whole situation was bow Knicks. You had Sean Payton coming,
you had you know, you had these guys here, But
how quickly this team changed his tune now you've really
got to give bo Nicks a lot of credit in
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that
Rockies off tonight's they'll be back at it tomorrow in
Houston taking on the Astros, a tough weekend for them.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
We'll get to the Rockies here in just a little bit.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
A question on the text line, though, what kind of
draft picks to the Broncos have in twenty twenty seven? Well,
right now they have all their own picks and they
should have at least the fourth rounder for JFM, unless
they decide to do something squarely between now and the
post draft compensatory formula same.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
As we have it, and as everyone knows, every team
is playing this comp pig formula a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
More, doing a better job at it.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
There was always the teams like the forty nine ers
and the Ravens, and I'm trying to think there's been
teams that have been just so good at it for
so long, But now more teams are just open to
it and saying, yeah, it doesn't make any sense for
us to mess with this thing.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Like why wouldn't you? Also because if especially for free
agents out there, and you know, as even myself talking
to teams, and teams are very worried about about this formula.
And I guess the biggest thing is more of like
what can you wait and still get the guy as
you want? Because I think that determines the the action
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of Okay, we got to pull the trigger now, or
can we try to negotiate it a month after this
formula is done and like it is this guy gonna
get signed tomorrow. And that's why you see the waves
of free agency and they're changing now. You know, used
to always be the first wave it's like the first week,
and then the second wave would be you know after,
but now it's like the big wave is after the draft,
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and I think you're going to see a lot of
veterans get picked up once that COMPIC formula is kind
of is done. I think insect may second.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yep, I think some somewhere around there.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
So you'll, well, we'll finish with the draft, everybody's going
to be starting to look forward to the schedule release
and in between that is when you'll see a lot
of signings sort of pop up. Maybe some people that
we are familiar names, I guess yea out there never know.
This was an interesting point and I've seen this discussed
a little bit as we we lead into the draft,
and I wanted to ask you guys about it. The
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RPO rate run past option rate in college football. Now,
first of all, why would a team, in your opinion,
why do teams lean on RPOs? Maybe a little bit
more in college. Let's start with that baseline before I
get to the stat here. Why would a team want
to lean on that a bit more in college.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
That in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Yeah, I think I think there'd be three or four things. One,
in certain RPOs. You in college, your quarterback is a
threat to run, which means in the NFL, your quarterback
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is a threat to get these brains knocked out. And
there's too much money invested, you know, in quarterbacks. Also,
I think the defenses have better players in there. It's
a much more complex scheme generally speaking.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
In the NFL, I would say this.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
I would say the difference between college defenses and the
NFL defenses is greater than the difference between some high
school defenses and college defenses.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
That makes sense.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
I mean, you got jump, you got yeah, and you
got guys that that's all they do, and they're really
good at it. So you're on the risk of it,
and you're you're getting your quarterback hit. They're not full
full field reads right in r PO. You either give it,
I mean a lot of times you give it, or
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there will be a screen involved in some respect, or
you know, a short route, a seam route, what what
have you. But you're limited a little bit, and in
college you know pretty much you got basic coverages that
you're going to get that those most of the RPOs
would be more likely to work against.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I think the biggest thing about RPOs in college is
it's a way to get your best players in the
space with the hash marks where they are obviously you know,
being as wide, you know as they are like that,
it gives them so much more space to be able
to go to the far side of the field, do
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a bubble that way. Now it's truly it's two on two,
but you have fifteen yards of separation either way. And
I think that right there gives these teams the potential
of a pretty safe throw with the opportunity to go
for a big play. And it's a very simple read.
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For a lot of these quarterbacks in college that can't
read defenses and don't really know what they're looking at,
it's very simple. You're reading one person and making a
play end. Well, that's if it's a read option if
you're doing it, if you're running a bubble, you're seeing
if that guy is pressing down, you're not throwing it,
you know what I mean. And so that's it's little
things like that. I believe that it just makes it
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easier on the quarterback. If you look at that, look
at that's Indiana team, it was pretty much very simple
game plan.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Well, that almost leads me right to what I wanted
to ask you guys about, because for Nana Mendoza, one
of the knocks against him, if you will, and I
don't even know if it's a significant one, is that
they ran a lot of RPO there in Indiana, almost
twenty percent of his snaps, so you know, one out
of five plays as an RPO.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Is that bad thing?
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I don't know if it's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
But it seems like that might be have to be
factored in a little bit onto what you're doing with
him at with Clint Kubiak there the raid, what's that
does it really on that mass?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
You really have to factor that into what he's doing
because in the NFL, you can't survive in an RPO
that much like you just can't. The player is a
way too athletic and like they have said, the defenses
are just too good.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I don't think it necessarily has to be factored in.
I knowing Clinton a little bit, that there will be
a small RPO package for I think for part of
what he's going to encounter. I mean, his thing is
going to be how quickly he can adapt to and
I think it may be quicker than you think. How
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how quickly can he adapt to the NFL style game.
Clint Kubiak is going to be a guy that wants
he wants to run the ball.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
He's a heavy.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Play action guy, really creative play action package, and I
think I think Fernando honestly will fit into that. I
think I think he could not have picked other than
maybe a McVeigh or a Shanahan. He couldn't have picked
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a better offensive guy to sort of play for, because
I mean, he believes in the running game, and the
play action game is built off that run. I think
too often in the NFL when you look at teams
that they try to play past you and the action
of the play pass is like something they haven't run
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the ball.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
With the entire game.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
It's I mean defensives are way too good for that.
I guarantee you Clint Kubiak will married will marry his
run game with the three or four different play action looks.
And I think Mendoza is a guy that really prides
himself on being able. I mean, you think of think
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of Peyton Manning, how hard he would work on the
play action fake. Right, the ball is extended. When the
ball is extended, your head's not up in the air.
You don't hand the ball off for the running back
with your head in the air. Your head is down
that arm. And you've got to be able that second
level of defenders that those are the guys you're trying
to affect, not the guys that look like Shelby. You're
trying to affect the second level with respect. Like when
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they ball snapped, they got to see in their mind
that's a run and they take a step and a
half up and then in the NFL, that's all you
need in the play action game. Well, he's a Kobyak,
so he's going to run the ball. Like we know
that he that he grew up with the run game
in his DNA. But I think the biggest thing is
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he you know you watched Fernando Mendoza and you I
know a lot of people probably haven't seen much of
him play. My biggest worry for him though, is he
can't he can't keep taking the hits like he did
in college. If you look at the National Championship game,
he was getting messed up, he was getting smacked.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And now you are the teams one of the team's
the biggest investments. You got to find a way to
protect yourself. And once you find out, well, like you know,
going back to his RPO talk, you can technically hit
the quarterback on any type of read option. Every time
I see I don't see them run a read option
a lot in Vegas, and I would hope not because
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he needs the one learn how to slide, but also
when he gets in these situations, he has to protect
himself and not take these big hits because now a
whole franchise is depending on you for success, and it
depending on you to be healthy. And that right there
is probably going to be his big hardest thing to
switch from from the NFL to college because in college
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we see it, we see it all the time, these
quarterbacks trying to run people over. You know, quarterbacks refuse
to go down. You know, that's kind of frowned upon
in the NFL. They even have to you know, they've
talked to every quarterback that used.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
To do this.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Josh Allen got to learn how to get down, Lamar Jackson, Hey,
you've been hurt the last three years. You've got to
learn how to get down. So any quarterback that uses
his legs. It's an adjusting period going into the NFL,
but it'd be worth it to figure it out soon.
Nobody can figure out. Man, I don't want to hear
it as easy. I heard them if this takes the
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five man rush and.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Talking about that.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Simple everybody would do it. That blows my mind. First off,
you just put a target on your team's back because
now don't don't play the Ravens don't have Lamar goal
for four hundred, three hundred passing one hundred rushing on you.
Then everyone's gonna be asking you did you figure out Lamar?
I thought you figured out Lamar?
Speaker 4 (10:29):
What happened? Who is it?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
It's Charles mine who here's a pretty good he's a
good player. Good player. Yeah, so he's not like a
scrub out there talking noise.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
He is a good player. So I'll read the quote
here in a second. We were talking a little NBA
in the break. Did you guys realize that there were
more than forty five hundred more free throws this season
than last year? So last year fifty three thousand, three
hundred twelve free throws, this year fifty seven thousand.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
How many you have?
Speaker 4 (10:59):
That's the difference.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I mean, on one hand, it becomes a thing where
it's not a great brand of basketball. I don't think
any of us are going to sit here and say, well,
that's a good trend for the NBA to beyond. But simultaneously,
like we were having a conversation earlier about the PGA,
it's not against the rules to lean in a little bit,
is it, I guess, to lean into the that they're
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going to make these calls that this is what the
rest are calling.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
I think it's such a hard game to officiate, to
tell you the truth, and it's pretty clear that, I
mean some if you looked at the amount of contact
that Jokic gets in the blocks, you would have to say,
if you're an honest person, that he is officiated differently
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than anybody else. He certainly officiated differently than SGA, than
some of the great two guards, some of the wings scores,
And maybe it's just because he has such a big
body that they're just reluctant to call every single thing
because he you know, he's a huge man. I mean,
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Shack has talked about this forever. You know, when he played,
it's like, I mean, I got officiated completely differently, and
you know what, I think it's probably right. I think
he's true, it's truthful.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Well, the shacks whole experience would have been different if
he would have known how to shoot free throws. The hackershack,
the hackershack. You know that san Antonio famously went through
with the hackershack idea wouldn't have worked. If it wasn't.
If he made his free throws, then we would have
truly seen how Shaq was really officiated. But you know,
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I would just love for officiating in general to go
more towards the Olympic style and me because I would
love to actually see SGA, Like, I'm not well versed
on how he played during the Olympics, but I know
it wasn't like how he's playing in the NBA, because
in Olympics they don't call those little touch more content,
it's a lot more contact and guys are playing through it.
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I would love to see that in the NBA, because
we are rewarding people for manipulating the refs, and I
think that right there is the issue. And I think
what a lot of fans have fans have problems with
is because the SGA or somebody that you've seen guys
manipulate the ref's eyes by jumping in people's and shooting
and and doing all this other stuff that really takes
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away from the game of basketball. So if we could
just go to an Olympic style where you know there
will be a little contact, but unless it's egregious, you're
expected to play through it, I think we would get
a better product of basketball, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Usually two players ahead of Shay in free throw attempts
per game. Chaye of course, had nine free throw attempts
per game, which feels like on the low side. Honestly,
Portland Portland Trail Blazers, Denny Abdidja. I'm probably mispronounced that,
but that's really for I have a question mark at
the end. Yeah, yeah, and then Luca. Luca actually led
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the NBA this year in free throw attempts per game.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
At over ten. I'm not a surprise though, but he.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Did not finish with an opportunity to win NBA Honors.
Sixty four didn't make it, but she's gonna probably win anyways.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Crazy and I'm a complete voter fatigue. And when you
have a generational player, a top three all time player
in the coilkicch and the season that he has had,
it is a travesty and it's a shame that the
MVP is not going to go to him.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
You ought to you ought to look back before we
go to a break. It's at some point we all do.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
I mean, his his numbers are better in every offensive
category than when he won his last MVP. I wonder
how many times that has happened to a previous MVP
who improves in every offensive.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Category and yet does not win the MVP.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Again, pretty wild, Yeah, we can take a look at that.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Average is a triple double?
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Right? Come on, what are we watching? Are we watching
the same game here or do we have our blinders
on for I don't know why, but Nakola Yoakis is
the best player in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Charles Minnuh we were talking about this just a little
bit ago.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
He said, this on a on a recent podcast Speakeasy
talk show, where he said that the league has quote
unquote figured out Lamar Jackson, that does not figured out
Josh Allen. Here's the quote with Lamar. Honestly, you bring
a five man rush on him. I love that you
already knew this quote, Shelby.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You bring a five man rush on him and colapse
the pocket.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
He's drifting backwards and unfortunately he might make a play
that isn't going to be the best play for the Ravens.
With Josh, he's going to drift backwards, run around, and
so he's hard to tackle. He's a large human being,
hard to get down. He can make every throw, every
throw from no matter where he's at. His arm strength
is unbelievable. I don't think Lamar has the big amount
of arm strength like Josh does. Like I said, I
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think you figured out Lamar. You come after him, you
close all the lanes, you five man rush him, and
you cover his guys.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I think he can get it done. It's been shown.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I mean, Lamar had a tough year last year, so
this feels like a little bit of a piling on
kind of deal.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Dave what's your read on that.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
I do think you want to try to keep Lamar
in the pocket, crush it. He does have a tendency
to back straight up. But I mean, as Shelby said,
it's a lot easier said than done.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I mean, you can, you know, you can get on a.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Dry erase board and draw up all sorts of fronts
in all sorts of coverages, and if we do this,
then if they do this, we'll come out and this
and this. But that's one thing, and then to execute
it with your personnel is completely different. I think everything
you said about Josh Allen is true everything, But I
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you know, I wouldn't if I'm him, I would not
have said anything about Hilmar.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Like, my biggest take from this is you don't have
to bash one player to uplift another. You don't have
to bash Lamar to start talking positively about Josh Allen.
There are two different players. Lamar Jackson's hard enough to
tackle as is played him, you know in Cleveland twice
a year, you know what I mean. Like, I've had
(17:28):
multiple free hits on him, and he is hard to
bring down. Now, Josh Allen does bring size, and that
is true. But Lamar Jackson is a general generational player
on his own like he does not. We do not
need to compare him to anyone. There is no one
like Josh Allen, and I hate how we try to
compare him to any quarterback that can run. That's Lamar
(17:52):
Jackson doesn't just run. He scrambles. There are two different
things that those are two completely different things, scrambling and run.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
He used to be more design runs, right.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Well, he was before last year. Last year he got hurt. Yeah,
you know, last year he was hurt most so I understand.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Why there's still doing a lot of design with Josh
Allen though, And.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Wait and then when he gets hurt, they will change
that too, because it was a lot of QB powers.
It was a lot of QB runs earlier in Lamar's career.
Then he started getting banged up, and then he's now
they've they've shied away from. Now he will pull it
and run and you still have to account for him
and a read option. But to act like Lamar Jackson
(18:32):
isn't one of the toughest matchups in the NFL is
acdine like completely absurd. It makes no sense and I
don't understand obviously he hasn't had to play him too
much because five man pressures do. Yeah, that's great, but
if he gets loose, he's gone. And that's why teams
(18:52):
don't like the necessarily always do that because and also,
way are the menu who played last year?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah yeah, yeah, not has a Fred Warner.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Able to spy Lamar Jackson and able to go and
chase him.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Down well, and with a five man rush, you you
compromise your back end, you lose. Also, you lose a
guy in coverage, right, So you better have you better
have five guys that are disciplined, that are not necessarily
in it to try to get their own stat I mean,
it's it's very you know, it calls for five guys
(19:31):
to collapse that pocket. It calls for your edge guys
of those five not to come too far upfield. Even
if they feel like they can quick swim they can
make a move on this tackle and beat him upfield,
you can't come too far upfield because then you take
yourself out of the sea gap, and then if the
guy next to you gets pinned inside at all, Lamar's
(19:52):
on a full gallop into the sea gap, and then
you got real problems. Because you have one less defender
in the back end of your defense.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
And that's the scariest part down too. You're pretty much
guaranteeing that if they don't get home, someone's going to
be open. And so you have your There is no
guarantee when you're playing on Lamar Jackson. He's not a
Peyton Manning, he's not a Time Brady, he's not just
standing in the pocket and so and as we all know,
these f rushers don't necessarily keep contained very well.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
We see that. We see it all the time. These rushers.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
They like to bend to edge, they like they like
the speed rush outside. So you make it sound so simple.
Oh yeah, it's five man rush keep them contained. That
sounds great, That sounds very easy when we just talk
about it like this. But when you have to go
out there and actually perform this man, you'll see why
everybody that plays Samar Jackson has to respect for him.
(20:47):
That we all do. And it's obviously like, I'm not
Charles Bennie, who is a hell of a player. He's
made a lot of plays, but that that was a
dumb take.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Well, in this dumb take, because you're a current player
and I guess he was with a Thief's actually last
couple of years, and now he's with Washington and signed
with them this offseason. But you're gonna play these guys, right,
I mean, I I don't know. I have plenty of
compete in a lot of things in my life, but
certainly in this case, knowing that I had to compete
against this guy.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
You don't think Lamar Jackson's gonna see that and be like, Okay.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Well, I would want to know what the question was.
How what was asked of him?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
That's a good question.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Was he asked directly, Hey, let's talk about Lamar Jackson
and Josh Allen. I mean, how would you compare those
two quarterbacks? I mean, if he's asked, if he's asked that,
then he probably just tried to answer it in an
in an honest and an honest way.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, And that's understandable. But to make it seem so
simple to contain a Lamar Jackson the man, a man
who we've seen seamlessly pretty much do them possible? We
a mine who was with Kansas City last.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Year, yeah, last three years. Actually I lost track of him.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, because honestly I remember because he made a big
play against US when I was in Seattle. So that's
why I've always thought about him as a forty nine er.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Yeah, he was there. I think I was in Houston
before too.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Twenty one and twenty two he was with the forty
nine ers and with Houston before that.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Okay, so he was in San Francisco, yep.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
And then twenty three through twenty five he's with Kansas City.
So what do you think they're gonna do with bon
Nicks this year? As far as because we were just
talking about players taking too many hits and.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Not wanting your quarterback to do that.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
You just come off of a season ending injury, and
I know that that's not factoring in necessarily to what
Davis Webb is going to be doing out there. Is
for the play calling, But do you think there's an
organizational mindset of like, hey, bo, let's not take those hits,
let's get down.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Or I see I don't just going back in my
mind calling every game, I don't think he took a
lot of hits.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
I really don't.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
I mean, I I just don't. I'm not saying he
never got hit, but I think he's smart in terms
of his ability to escape the pocket, pick up positive
yards and then get out of bounds. He's not He
didn't do anything that I can remember, and if so,
not too many times where you're like, oh, man, would
(23:18):
you please go down? I mean, he didn't, you know,
try to run people over, And so I know, I
don't think you change.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I think part of.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
What makes Bow such an outstanding young quarterbacks his ability
to improvise. And I think again we talked about that
last year. You you want to if you're if you're
running the offense or designing plays or you're calling plays,
you want to. You don't want to take that away
from him, but you also want to have some ability
(23:53):
to kind of, you know, reel.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
It in from time to time. Right.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
I just think with him, I think you let him
play and you live with the results, and there'll be
many more plays that he makes. You'll be like, man,
was that that was a really great play? As opposed
to god, Man, why did he throw that? You know
you're gonna have some of those. Why did he throw that?
Because you have those with every player, and maybe you
(24:20):
have those a couple more times with Bo, but you're
gonna have more of the Holy Cow. And that guy
was sacked and he ran for twenty seven yards and
on third and eleven. Now is first, You're gonna have
many more of those moments that you don't want to
harness him away from than you will the bad moments.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Bow's best plays came when he used his legs, was
able to move, you know, get out of a jam
in the middle, move outside, and make a good throwing
out of the pocket. And I think you don't want
to hinder him and stop telling him to stop making
those plays because I feel like that's the part of
who he is as a player. And I think, but
bo Nick, though, it's everything that he does, and some
(24:59):
of the best things seem to is off, you know,
off schedule. And I don't think he's necessarily a runner
like how you think of like a Josh Allen and
Lamar Jackson. So I wouldn't change it. And I get it.
It's easy to have this conversation because he got hurt
last year, and you know, the idea behind stopping quarterbacks
for running is we want to preserve your health. But
(25:19):
this is a big part of his game, and I
think you love bo Nicks because of this part of
his game too, of his ability to extend, especially now
that you have more speed on this team. You can
only imagine if he can extend a little bit more
and Jayden Walloll could get beyond the defense, now you
might start seeing more sixty seventy yard touchdowns because of
(25:41):
his ability to scramble. And I think it's the difference
if you're scrambling the throw or scrambling the run. And
I always truly believe that he's scrambling to throw the ball.
He's looking downfield, and that's what you want out of
your quarterback. I don't think you want to take that
type of playmaking away from him.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
It's an interesting conversation that comes to oval quarterbacks, right
and he I mean he carried it eighty three times
last year. I don't know how many of those were,
you know, designed passes that he took off and ran on.
I don't remember them having a ton of designed runs.
I remember that one. I don't either, just a few times.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
I mean when he did he did a couple of
times against the Giants, Yeah, late late in the game.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, the Texans, I remember they they closed that game
out on the road.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
He did it the year before. I remember the New
Orleans game yep, yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
I mean he rushed for seventy, like seventy five yards
in that game on ten carries.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
So it's not the same kind of conversation. I guess
there is something too. What is a quarterback like if
you have to take some of that stuff away? Like
Josh Allen, for example, had one hundred and twelve carries
last year, like very prolific. In fact, Josh Allen has
fourteen touchdowns twelve touchdowns fifteen touchdowns last three years. That's
how many rushing touchdowns, and some of those are a
goal line different deal. But the point of it is
(26:52):
is like Josh Allen, I think would still be a
very good quarterback if you took that away from him,
But would he be as prolific? Would he be one
of the best quotquarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
I think he would be one of the best quarterbacks
in the league because of his arm talent. But you
got to keep in mind it's different. Even though Shelby said,
and I believed this to be true, you sooner or later,
I don't care who you are or how strong you are.
If you run your quarterback in the NFL, you're gonna
getting banged up, it's just gonna happen. That said, he's
(27:22):
built different than bo Nicks, than Lamar Jackson, than Mahomes.
I mean, Josh Allen is six five and two hundred
and forty pounds, maybe a little bit bigger, and an athlete.
He can run, so you can afford more to run
quarterback power or counter with a guy like Josh Allen. Now,
(27:46):
I do think he's not nearly as good as bo
at getting down and I'm a fan of Josh Allen,
but there were games when Buffalo's playing where he's running
up in there like hit me in my I don't care.
I'm thinking, oh, bro, get your pad level down before
you get your head knocked off. But he is a big,
(28:08):
strong stud, and I mean more so than any quarterback
I think we have in the game.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Well, don't forget Josh Allen had a foot issue at
the end of the year, which could be accredited to
running the football. And so it's not necessarily these big
injuries that can take.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
A toll, but the overall.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Makeup of your quarterback, especially if you start having foot
foot problems, you can't move around the pocket. Now you're
just a statue. And now He's just a six five,
two hundred and fifty pounds statue. And but like once again,
Josh Allen is one of the most dynamic quarterbacks in
the league. But the idea also is the older he gets,
you know, the more wear and tear it is on
that body, you're not going to want to run as much.
(28:49):
And so then now he has to more rely on
his arm. And that's what I expect to see the
next couple of years. Is Josh Allen really redefined his
game as Yeah, he'll scramble, but I definitely think the
QB runs will definitely be out out of the playbooks soon. Yes,
because no one the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
You don't think Josh at the.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Buffalo Bills would not even be competitive without Josh Allen,
And so for if he was to get hurt, it's
over for them. Like and like, he is such a
big I'm not saying it's not a knock on any
of their other players. He is really just a big
cog of what they do on offense. And so if
(29:33):
you their whole passing game, the downfield passing game is
all based around Josh Allen. So but just like any
any team league, you lose just starting a quarterback, you're
gonna struggle. But this team and in general will struggle
because on fourth and short, on third and short, they
go to their quarterback to get the first downs, they're
not they don't hand the ball off. Josh Allen will
go get those plays. So this is it changes the
(29:56):
whole game plan, especially for them losing your quarterback because
short yardage is Josh Allen's time.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Well, I mean, I'm not trying to be argumentative on it,
but I will ask, as you try to argue, I
will as David is not, I will ask how many
teams without their starting quarterback can really operate?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
And that's why I said, you know, but the issue
is they wouldn't even necessarily be able to. They have
James Cook, hell of the back, one of the becks
backs in the league. But short yardage, though, they depend
on Josh Allen. If they need a you know, four
and four, you might see Josh Allam drop back, but
(30:37):
then he's running like it's a lot of times where
in a lot of situations where he uses his legs
to really help them. If you lose that aspect, I
don't know what you have.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
Adam Trauman was on with our friends from DMVR, and
he had some really cool things to say. He was
talking a little bit about Sean Payton giving a play calling.
By the way, agreed with you, Dave. It's a little
surprised when he heard just, uh, this is Adam talking
about how bo Nicks is a big reason why he
felt the team was able to win some of those
(31:09):
close games this last year.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
He's kind of like the stone cold like killer to
be honest, like, there's this he's the same and I'm
talking we're talking about consistency, but he's the same from
snap one to snap sixty five. Like wherever we are
in the game, you feel confidence, and there's like it's
hard to describe, right, like you know something's gonna happen.
He's going to make a play, like whether he has
(31:33):
to scramble and kind of improvise make a play, or
whether he's gonna sit in the poppy, go through his reads,
get us in the right play if we're in like
a menu type of thing at the large of scrimmage,
like he's so you have a lot of confidence in
him because of how he carries himself and because he
is calm during the game, like there's some guys and
(31:53):
then you know, you play with guys probably that are
like they're like freaking out and nervous during the game
and all that type of stuff. But then there's also
like the guys who are cool and calm. Yeah, he's
just got that like excuse my language, and he's got
that true to him right where you always feel like
it's gonna get done. And that's why we won so
many close games last year is because of him. Obviously
our defense is incredible, and but like O being able
(32:15):
to always pull it out, and like the New York
Giants game is the greatest example, Like who would have
thought we were going to win that game?
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Right?
Speaker 6 (32:22):
And then it's just like you keep plugging away and
plugging away, and eventually he's gonna something's gonna break and
in my work and it did. So Yeah, we have
all the confidence in the world and him, and he's
obviously also a great team and a great person as well.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
I like the focus of that answer so much on
his personality and what his sort of leadership style in
the calmness he has he said from start to finish
the game, he's the same guy that that really can
be overstated in my opinion.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think it's pretty evident
really for a young guy to come in and play
the way he's played his first two years. There's absolutely
nobody that at this point of Bo's career that would
look at that career and.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Say, Okay, he's maxed out.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
We've seen the best of Bo Nicks, and he's been
pretty damn good up to this point. And he's going
to get better, you know, he is when he becomes
even more comfortable the speed of the game, who he's throwing,
the little nuances of playing the position. I mean, a
guy like Bo, I think, you know, it might be
(33:30):
year eight or nine where really you.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Start to kind of max out.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Doesn't mean he can't play ten to eleven, twelve, but
he might not get appreciably better physically. At that point,
you can still get better mentally and you still have
enough ability that you can play at a high level physically.
So I mean, I you know, you don't have to
be a rocket scientist to figure out that they've got
their guy. And it's equally important that the team feels like, hey,
(33:59):
we've got our guy, right.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
It doesn't it doesn't really matter what.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
The three of us think, but that locker room looks
at that guy and says, oh, that's that's a dude.
And when you have that and he can back it
up with play, you can win a lot of games.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Bot Knicks has the opportunity to be the best quarterback
in that draft, and that's saying a lot. He already
has the best stats out of any quarterback in that
draft with fifty four touchdowns and twenty three interceptions. And
interceptions are a little high, but that's expected for a
young player. But what I love about everything that Boat
(34:36):
Knicks is about is he's just shown he's a winner.
You know, we like we would talk about these one
score games so much, but we always say the offense
will somehow figure it out at the end of the day. Well,
according to I'm probleman, that's Bo Nicks. Both Knicks is
the answer and he has been. And I'm just I'm
(34:56):
extremely impressed with the ascension of this Broncos team since
Bonus has taken over, because the one unknown in that
whole situation was bow Knicks. You had Sean Payton coming,
you had you know, you had these guys here, But
how quickly this team changed his tune now you've really
got to give bo Nicks a lot of credit in
(35:17):
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