05-05-25 KOA Sports Hour 3 with Orlando Franklin

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
For Nuggets aren't going to advance. So the Western Conference
semi finals. David Adam but Nicola, Jokis, Jabalbury and the Nuggets.
They defy the odds and the pundits, the whole pit,
the LA Clippers to win this series and Gamewhile, Russell,
westbroy Broch, the Downs Wall Stars were shining at Paul

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Or in.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
A fantastic series. But obviously for nugget fan, a awsome
band number seven.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
They're a great team.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
The we're a great team. Don't have a lot of
days to get ready, but I know we will be ready.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
To bring on Oklahoma City.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
That was great.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I was tremendous. And by the way, Chris Marlow's right,
I mean there was. There are a lot of punnits
picking of the Clippers against the Nuggets, and the Nuggets
went out in Game seven. First team in NBA his
to have six different players score fifteen or more points
in a Game seven. Aaron Gordon had twenty two, Christian
Brown had twenty one, Joker at sixteen, Jamal had sixteen,

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Russ had sixteen, and Michael Porter Junior had fifteen with
one arm. With one arm, by the way, it's really tremendous.
That performance against the Clippers, and we'll get into a
little bit of the Oklahoma City look tonight Orlando Franklin
joining me in studio here. That performance against the Clippers
win again, a lot of national punnets thought the Clippers
were gonna win not only that game, but they thought

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they were gonna win the series before it even started.
The Nuggets came into it because of the firing of
the coach and the GM with expectations that were all
over the map. To see them respond the way they
did and that game they were up by thirty five
at one point, really was eye opening for me.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
So it's not to say, because I've been saying all along.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
That Oklahoma City is the better team, and I still
maintain that, but it's not to say that if they
can play the way they did like that, I think
it's sort of encapsulated and recreated on a nightly basis
in this series and even in the next one they
get there, there are really no limits to what expectations
should be of this team.

Speaker 5 (02:12):
Yeah, I'll tell you this. With Nicola Jokic on the bench,
if the Nuggets are able to even capture half of
what they captured last the other night in Game seven.
With Nicole on the bench, they'll win. They'll take care
of business. It's going to be a tough out. I
think that going into this one. It's big brother versus

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little brother. Right, you got the veteran leadership, you got
a team that's already won a championship. You got some
guys that have kind of been around the block of
time or two versus a very young OKC team that's
just gritty and scrappy, and there's fights for everything that
they got. They know how to play one way and
that's just hard. They get it done on both sides
of the court. But it's for the Nuggets. It's going

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to be all about the other guys not named Nicola Jokic.
Everybody that's Michael Porter Junior, that's Jamal Murray, that's a
g It's about those guys. We know what Nicola can do,
and I don't see him being limited and I don't
see another night coming in where he was what was it, oh.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
For five in the first quarter the other night or
something like that, him.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
And him and Jamal were over five in the.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
First five, okay, and he had got the two free
throws that was it. I left the first quarter with
two points. I don't see another one of those nights
coming very soon for Nicola Jokics.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Right.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
So when you look at that, it's now, how do
you attack a team that is gritty, that they want
to get after it, they want to play defense. I
think it's going to be all about the three point line, Ryan,
and how the Nuggets get it done. They finished the
season twenty eighth from behind the three point line. I

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think that you know, we've seen it in that first
series against the Clippers where there were times where the
shots were they're finding that that we're finding the mesh
and going right through that hoop. But can you force
that now in this series? Can you force them to
have to exert energy and try to move you off
to three point line? And if you could do that,

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it should open up some easier shots and some lanes
where you could drive in and get some easy twos.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
I mean, you make it sound so easy.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
Oh yeah, it's It's always easy. When you're sitting in
a room and it's seventy two degrees and if thats
a mic in front of you, it's always easy.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
I tell you what, man, this is going to be
so fascinating, and you know when Dave Day will be
back tomorrow, and I'm sure we'll have a chance not
only to react to that, but to And I don't
think anything's gonna happen tonight that's going to shift a
mentality about I mean, if the Nuggets win tonight, like
blow out the Thunder, maybe that shifts a few things
you think about the series, but that would be on

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the far into the spectrum of my expectations. I think
the more realistic is it's a close game, or maybe
Oklahoma City, who's been resting now for a week, has
a really big game and the Nuggets looked tired, And
that's always touched all those things. But the thing about
it is, I've maintained that though they don't have as

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much experience as the Nuggets do in the postseason, because
of their depth and the moves they've made this offseason
to only improve, that they are the best team in basketball.
And then they ended up going on to win sixty
eight games. Like I've said this even before they went
on to put the numbers up that they did. I
still think Niccolaiokus should win MVP, but it's gonna be
SGA and that that's fine.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
We can accept that.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
But more than anything, the levels that they can get
to off their bench are gonna be an issue for
the Nuggets if even one thing doesn't go right.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Like that's the thing with the Clippers.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
The Clippers are actually, for a lot of people, a
better team than what the Nuggets are. The Nuggets are thinner.
They needed to rely and we talked about Russ earlier.
They need to rely on Russ Westbrook to be really
good every night, and he actually buy and large overall
he have his boneheaded moments, but for the overall perspective,
Russ wick brestbook, they were a good team with him.
He didn't He was not a detract. He was an ade.

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He's gonna have to do that, and he's gonna have
to do that all the time because he is the bench.
Ye like, and you're gonna pet Wat's gonna be out there.
You're gonna see him. Maybe you see the DeAndre Jordan
mixed in. Who knows, right, we didn't really see Pickt
towards the end, right, I mean, until this was a blowout.
But more than anything, you're going to have to have
everybody show up every single night, to beat a team

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that can go eight nine deep and still put up
great numbers in the plus minus.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
Yeah, it's gonna take Michael Porter Junior. The mindset for
Michael Porter Junior going into this series is how on
Earth do I come out night and night in with
eight rebounds? That's my number for him? Can you get
us eight rebounds every single game in this series? I
love how Peyton Watson plays defense and you mix that
in with what we're kind of seeing Ag do and

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get back to because a couple of years ago, Ag
was unbelievable on the defensive end. That's why the Nuggets
won the finals, you know, with the people that he
had to go guard in order to get to the championship,
and then as well as being in the championship was sensational.
Can you get back to that form? And when you
now you put in Russell Westbrook, you have to be

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able to pick and choose your moments where you are
going to. You got to be aggressive, right, you know,
can you beat a guy off the dribble? Can you
get in the lane? Can you force that defense to condense?
And now I want to see the Nuggets some guys
instead of just sitting back there at the three point
line and thinking about a three, Can you take a dribble?

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Can you step in three four feet inside that three
point line and get an easier shot in those moments
because although the three ball, you know, everybody gets hyped
up about that, at the same time, a two and
sustaining momentum and you know, going down there and having
a successful play and just on the shot clock, that's
great as well. That forces okay, see to reset, So

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sometimes you're gonna have to, you know, play a little
bit of chess. And for goodness sakes, I did not
know this about sgh just this past season, as far
as him finishing fifth with steals on one point seven
a game, right, So you know, I think that although
that's a very minute number, but when you average that
over a course of a season, I think that's cause

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for concern. You know, how do you take care of
the basketball? Because I didn't love how the Nuggets were
taking care of it in this okay, in this Clipper series. Sorry,
so can we minimize the great point self inflicted wounds
as well?

Speaker 3 (08:38):
That's actually a fantastic point.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Some of the margins, right, the plays that you can
impact because the well the Clippers are one thing, but
Oklahoma City goes to a whole other level on taking
advantage of those missteps. That's a great point you bring up.
And so then we come back to Russ Westbrook for
a second. He even said when we played this out
about early, he's anything. I mean, he is just a four.

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And sometimes it's a good play and sometimes it's a
bad play and you have to kind of live with
both when he's out on the floor. But we've seen
him flirt with a triple double or quadruple double with
the wrong number in turnovers at times. That's when he's
getting a lot of extra minutes. So the rotations are
going to be really interesting tonight, and especially as you're

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trying to combat their depth with getting some minutes out
there where Nicola Jokitch and Jamal Murray aren't playing forty
five minutes a night because it's just not sustainable.

Speaker 5 (09:31):
Yeah, you know, a couple of years ago, right when
Russ was averaging that what was a triple double, I
think it was like three or four years ago, or
it might have been when he was still with OKC.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
I think that if we.

Speaker 5 (09:44):
Could turn the clock back a little bit tonight, and
when he gets the ball in his hands and you
don't have Jamal Murray on the court, you don't have
Nicola Gokitch on the court, I think the mindset needs
to shift a little bit, where how do I get
my other teammates involved? How do I be that explos person,
that person that can beat somebody off the dribble. I
could get in the lane, but now I'm looking for

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a slash or I'm looking for, you know, somebody setting
up in their spot. And if he could get to
that with the mindset of getting his teammates involved, it
makes the Nuggets just so much more better offensively. And
you already know what he does when he's down there
in the paint. He's going to go up there and
try to contest and go get a rebound or two.

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So I love that about him, and I love just
the effort that he brings on both sides of the court.
But I think when he has the ball in his
hands and Nicole is not on the court and Jamal's
not on the court, you definitely got to think, like,
how do I get these guys, these other guys involved,
Because like it or not, like my opinion on Michael Porter, Jr.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
You can love it or you could hate it.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
But I think that when he doesn't get involved early
and plays are not being called for him, he pouts.
I think he shows it with his body language, especially,
so you know, how can you get a guy like
that involved. It loves to shoot at three pointer. You
can be that force and create that space that he
needs to get more open looks.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
If you're Russell Westbrook.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
In this series, I want to go back to the Avalanche.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
We talked about them earlier, certainly and disappointing into the season.
On Saturday night, you're up to nothing. Basically, you played
a perfect hockey game for about forty seven minutes and
then it all kind of fell apart. And I know
that it's a it's extra insult to injury when it's
Miko Ranton and who has a hat trick four points,
four points in the third period against you and ends

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up sending you.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
Home thirteen minutes. Yeah, play the third period. This is
the four points and thirteen minutes.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
It's remarkable and it was certainly painful.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
I thought this was an interesting He had a Q
and A after the game and talking about his emotions of
beating his former team in the playoffs.

Speaker 6 (11:50):
It's emotional. You know, they're they're my brothers for sure.
You know most of them might know really well and
played with them for like you said, ten years. There's
a couple of guys who've been there since, you know,
Nathan Landy.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
So it's emotional.

Speaker 6 (12:04):
And you know it's obviously we're enemies this series on
the ice, but there I always love them off the ice,
it doesn't matter it was between games, you know, the
day off, I love every one of them, and then
when we go on the ice, their enemies. But that's
how it goes. But yeah, it's emotional for sure, because
everything happened so quick. You know, it's only a couple

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of months since I was still with them, playing with
them and chasing playoff spot and stuff, and now I'm
all of a sudden, a couple of months later playing
against them in a game seven. So emotional is the
right word for sure.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
And you know, if you believe him, he said he
didn't want to ever leave. He said his anticipation, his expectation,
was to stay with the Avalanche sign a long term contract.
Retires one of the all time great ads in US
he's in that conversation as it is anyways, amount of
time he played with his team, believe.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
Him, in the hockey world, the Colorado is one destination place.
You got guys, you know, chomping at a bit trying
to find their way here to Colorado, loving the weather,
loving the atmosphere, loving the fans, everything that this state
has to offer for hockey. It's top tier, you know what,
Miko rant and who knows more about that Colorado Avalanche

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than he knows about the Dallas Stars, the teammates of
the has right now that he does won that game seven.
He knows more about these guys, right because he's been
around them for so long. But the reality of it,
it is a business, and it is hard and there
are some tough decisions now. You know, just because you
love an organization, just because you want to be at
a destination place, doesn't mean that you'll move off a

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certain number. And I think that that's all it was
at the end of the day. Because he's a superstar,
So you best believe that ABS wanted to get the
deal done. But once they saw, hey, you know, we're
trying to continue to keep this dynasty together and continue
to try to chase championship after championship to put something

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together really special. Here's our cap, here's our number that
we're willing to go to, and we will.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
We might even go a little.

Speaker 5 (14:10):
Bit past that number as well for Umiko, But we
can't go to a you know, fifteen percent bump past
that or a twenty percent increase past that. We just
can't do it and still expect to kind of win
and keep this thing together for years, over years or
next half a decade.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
So do you think that Chris McFarland made the decision
a little too abruptly like he should have because Miko
Rannon said, I thought we had more time? Because did
you did have more time till the trade deadline? Is
that what we should ultimately weigh on. Chris McFarland was
making the decision six weeks before he absolutely had to.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
I think Chris mc farland it was more so, Yeah,
I'm gonna make this decision, but I also know that
I'm not done after this decision, so I'm shopping him.
I could get this for a guy like Miko. Now,
can I package together some other players that I just
received in this to continue to get this roster better?

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And this past year I know it's not the end result,
but I thought he did a heck of a job
in what he did. The goaltendon was horrific going into
this season. Not only did you go get your started,
you went and got your backup right, and the different
players that were moved, and how I felt for the
third and the fourth line going into this season and

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even a quarter through the season versus how I felt
towards the end a lot better, as they just say
a fan. So that's different things that gms have to
take into account, and it was a tough decision. But
at the end of the day, do I think it
was right when it was all said and done. I
think that when you're dealing with superstars, and NKO is

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a superstar, that Chris McFarlane had his thumb on the
situation and fully understood what that number was going to
be to keep Moose here, and ultimately it just had
to say, hey, we're out at that number. We're not
going to be able to get certain things done because remember,

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like go back and even look at last year and
look what we're putting out there on the ice for
a third and fourth line. I'm throwing up a little
bit in my mouth.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Ryan. When I'm thinking about it right now, like where's
the thumbs?

Speaker 5 (16:29):
I need thumbs Right now, I'm getting a stomach ache
because it wasn't up to par. We're not the standard
drip we have become to see and know as AVS fans.
So I think you always have to think about that,
especially when you look at playoff hockey and what it
takes to win playoff hockey. You can't just go out
there and roll two lines out there and think you're
going to get it done. That gets you an early exit.

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And now a lot of people are looking at different
coaches and gms and pointing the finger elsewhere where. I
think Chris McFarland did what was best for the organization,
and like it or not, I think this was the
best move for the organization at the time, but it
was done early with the sense of that wasn't the
last move that I'm making.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
And then it wasn't. They obviously can continue to he
got brought in brock Nelson. I mean, they continue to
make moves after that. But yeah, I mean, I think
to your point, right, we get to judge these things
in hindsight, and it always is a hindsight argument. If
the Avalanche would have held on in one Saturday night. Well, then, boy,
Chris McFarlane made all the right moves. You got past
the one team that you were the most scared of

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in the postseason, and you feel really good about the matchup,
not only against the Jets, but whoever they see in
the Western Conference Final, right, and then you're on your
way to possibly a Stanley Cup, winning a Stanley Cup.
So it's amazing how small the margins ultimately work out
in these situations and how it can change legacies. We
talked about it earlier with Dave I thought he brought
up a great point on Friday, saying, this one game

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is going to impact the legacies of so many people,
the jobs of so many people, and the way we
perceive what they've done to prepare themselves for this situation.
The Stars entered the postseason on a really ugly slide,
missing key players. You felt like they were primed to
be taken down by the Avalanche, even in a tough matchup.
It's a great opportunity for the Abs. They didn't get

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it done, even though they were, in my opinion, the
best team throughout the series.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
They didn't win it.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
So that's what you ultimately get judged by. So these
conversations about whether Chris McFarland or Jared Bednar are going
to continue on beyond this season all rested on the
final thirteen minutes of a game seven hockey game, when reality,
they played a brilliant forty seven before.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
I mean, if Jack Jerry doesn't get that penalty, right,
what happens? Is it a different game? Did the Abs win?
I think they do.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
I mean, so two of the goals are power play goals,
It's right, Yeah, two.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Of the goals are power play goals.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
Ones that open that are at the end right, I
mean when the Abs are pressing trying to tie it
up right there. So it could be a completely different game.
It could be a completely different conversation. So when things
like that happen, it's just like, hey, sometimes you win,
sometimes you lose. Sometimes you get extremely lucky. Now I
don't believe that Dallas got lucky in that sense, but

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they get lucky with the penalty with Jack Drury like
they and now they just do what they're supposed to
do in that situation with a power play, and they
were spectacular with their precision with the passing of the
puck and some of those like just to get it
right there on the stake and to see that player
pop late, it was unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
So you know, you got to give credit where credits due.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
But I don't think that you start looking at hey,
we got a wholesale change right now. We got to
move on from coaches and gms because of what happened
the other night.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
And that's where the conversation is right now. They're going
to speak tomorrow with the media at one o'clock. You're
three for twenty two on power play, and a lot
of the reaction we're seeing here on the text line
is the coach didn't make adjustments on the power play
when they could have. That's that's got to be levied
beaus the coach. I mean that that is part of
this discussion. And you may, as an organization, veryquoily that

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you may, as an organization, come to a point where
you recognize that you've come as far as you can
with this iteration, right, and you do need to think
about things like that.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
I don't know if you can.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I mean, you don't own your first round pick, you
send out your best prospect. I mean you made a
lot of moves to build this team to win a championship.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Now.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
We talked about that back in March. The moves you
made were for now, They were to ignore the future.
In my opinion, I'd like to see Chris McFarland get
an opportunity to dig himself out of it, much like
we gave George Payton an opportunity to dig himself out
of the Russell Wilson situation. I feel like you owe
it to Chris McFarland to show us, Okay, this is

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what happened.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
You lost in the first round, after.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
You went all in, show us the way forward beyond this,
because you're probably a playoff team next year, but once again,
another first round exit.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
That's a possibility too.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
And I think that you know, you brought up a
good situation. You make a good point right the power play,
and I think that's a mindset. I think that has
nothing to it Christ McFarland and the players that he
brought in. I think that has everything to do with
Betsy and lighting a fire underneath everybody on that team
and saying, hey, we don't have to search for the
perfect shot and guess what, So what if you you.

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You know, you throw one out at the net and
they are able to retain possession. And now they push
it down the field, right they or push it down
the ice to kill off fifteen seconds before you could
get it past the blue line and back in their zone.
Who cares, you know, I think there's has more shots
on net. Stop searching for this perfect shot. And if
they do that, because the year we won the Stanley Cup,

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that's what they were doing. They were saying, hey, we
are just better than you. We're gonna beat you with
our athletic ability. And sometimes you'll see a guy like
Nate edge a guy and then all of a sudden
it's like, no, let me pull it back out, or
you choosh can do in the same thing. Let me
pull it back out because it's not the perfect shot
where good things happen when you push shots on.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
That was hour Chanson one one thousand dollars coming up
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I want to get some more sound from Talanoa Hufanga
talking about why he chose the Denver Broncos. Five six
six ninety zero is our Kai Common Spirit health text line.
We're playing some sound from Tealanoa Hufanga, who was on
with d NVR last week. Really fun interview by the way,

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check it out there for those guys DMVR dot com.
But he was asked about bo Nicks and I always
find this stuff interesting. I don't even know how real
this tends to be, but the whole once you have
the quarterback, how attractive does your team become? So here
was Talanoa Hufanga, one of the Broncos additions in free agency,

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talking about why bo Nicks was attractive to him here
in Denver.

Speaker 7 (22:47):
He reached out immediately, got to see him when I
came on my when I when I signed the day
I signed, and got to chop it over with him.

Speaker 8 (22:53):
He's a he's a guy that's just.

Speaker 7 (22:54):
Been a gamer, you know when you really watch him
way back in the day, Like I watch him a
lot when Oregon because I am from Oregon originally, so
kind of watching him, like you just.

Speaker 8 (23:02):
Kind of watch the team and just kind of seeing
what he does.

Speaker 7 (23:04):
But everybody was kind of like skeptical about his rookie
and he just came here and ball and that's what
I love about it. And so you know, even talking
to Dre you know, he was my locker partner at
the Niners, and then when we came here together, we're like, man, like,
when you got a quarterback that can go out there
and really play and as a defense like you know
you can.

Speaker 8 (23:23):
It's not just threeing out you want to.

Speaker 7 (23:25):
There's a lot of teams like that in the NFL,
you know, And so for us it was like, man,
this is we got potential here, and so why can't
we come over here and help change But he's the reason.
And I think a lot of guys in the locker
room be like the atmosphere has changed a lot in
these last few years, just you know, seeing what they
went through and then having a guy like Boat come
in and do what he does and the way he works,
like I've just been around it so far, and the

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OTA is like the dude hustles and so.

Speaker 8 (23:49):
Excited to work with him and excited to hopefully build
the business.

Speaker 4 (23:52):
All right.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
So, and there's really cool stuff there, obviously from Hufangas
talking about Boat Nicks and how he was the reason.
He was one of the reasons that chose here, and
some people took some of the shots or the statements
there about not going three and out as shots of
brock Purty. I don't know necessarily think it was was
supposed to be that, But his point is a valid one.
And I'd say that fans tend to talk this thing up.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
I want to hear from a player.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Is it really that big of a deal, Like you
see a young up and coming quarterback and you say, yeah,
we all want to be part of that as a
free agent.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
No one.

Speaker 5 (24:29):
Just to see the way he carried hisself, the way
that he got better and better as the season progressed.
I mean, this was the guy that went out there
to Seattle through two interceptions the following week. I believe
he threw a couple against the Pittsburgh Steelers when Pittsburgh
was here down the street at Empower Stadium. So he
was staring down wide receivers in the first couple games

(24:51):
and he got rid of that. He developed right before
our eyes, right, And the Broncos also was able to
get a playoff birth, something that hasn't happens since back
in twenty fifteen. Right, You're looking at almost a decade,
So you start mixing all of these things together and
you say, man, you know there is a young quarterback
that's looking good. The future is looking bright. Oh. A

(25:12):
great defense as well, one of the better defense in
the league. Oh, we got the juice up front to
get some sacks. We got a DC that will call
some safety blitze and let you get aggressive the mismatch
coverage it. So I think there's a lot of different
things that you look at and say, man, the Broncos
are very attractive. But I'll tell you the other thing.

(25:33):
When Bo and Sean Payton got into it on the
sidelines this year, Oh really, I think yeah, I think
that that shows you that, man, you got a young
guy that stands on business like, is not afraid of
his head coach, but also has a good enough relationship
where he's not going to just sit there and tuck

(25:54):
his tail between his legs, just curl up and run
away and and just just go to have his head down.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
Know, Bo is fired up.

Speaker 5 (26:02):
He is passionate about what he sees and what he
thinks went on right, And so you couple all that
with a coach like Sean Bayton, and Sean Bayton is
like a coach.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
It's very a.

Speaker 5 (26:13):
You're gonna do it this way and it's my way, right,
and he gets after players. So when you see now
the personality of your quarterback, that will get after the
coach a little bit. I'm not and I don't think
what Bo did was disrespectful at all. I think that
they had a little bit of a disagreement and Bo
was sticking up for herself and he's the one playing
the game. I've seen other players do that. I've seen

(26:35):
the quarterbacks do that specifically. So that just shows like
Bo being authentic, real and genuine, and I can get
behind that. That fires me up. I watched it and
I said, go Bo go when I was watching it.
You know that's cool.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
And I mean I've heard I've heard from players for
players and even players in the league talk about that.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Some that don't even on this team talk about that moment.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
And it's so funny because I guess as a fan,
I saw that, and I'm thinking, Okay, Sean probably does
appreciate a guy pushing back. But there's a time and
place for all of these kinds of things, and maybe
out in the public in public eye.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
I'm not saying. I'm not saying I thought it was
a bad time.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
It's just some people don't want to be shown up
and in the heat of the moment, especially for a
guy like Sean Payton, maybe he's saying, let's get into
this behind closed doors, but don't ever question me in
front of everybody out here in the public eye.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
But you're saying it's played well, no.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
I'm telling you after the fact, like that's my in
the moment, like I don't know if Sean's gonna be
cool with this, but.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
After the fact.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
And of course Sewan talked about it in the pres
conference a he's got a little bit of that Ferrist
mulere in him.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
And he laughed it off. But I thought.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
I was like, Okay, this is either going to go
great for bo or this is going to backfire significantly,
and maybe both. Isn't the same guy after because he
gets his wings clipped, That's what I wondered.

Speaker 5 (28:03):
Yeah, it was just a back and forth. It wasn't
like anybody got up in anybody's face. I think that
that was a healthy disagreement with the quarterback and a
head coach.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
And when you're in.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
An NFL locker room, you would like to think that
everybody's treated equally, but that's not the case. Sean Payton
has a pretty good grip of this football team. He
has this thumb on this football team. I forgot what
player it was that was asked about something, and I
was like, yeah, I can't really do that. Maybe Courtland
could do it, but I can't do it right. And
so players kind of understand exactly where where they stand.

(28:36):
My rookie year, you know, they got hot tubs, cold tubs.
My rookie year, I jumped in the cold tub, and
you know, I get I had to use the restroom
and number one and I didn't decide to get out
of the cold tub.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
No way, did not decide to get up.

Speaker 5 (28:51):
I'm not the first person to do it right, and
I certainly ain't the last.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
So don't you give me that. Look.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Okay, it's a public cold tub.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Oh guess what up?

Speaker 5 (29:00):
And they find the heck out of me, they said
Greek Steve Antonot's listen. He said, hey, we gotta drain it.
That's coming out of your check and I have to
accept it. And I was alright with it. But I'll
tell you this. You fast forward a couple of years
and there's a there was a quarterback that when we
were getting ready to play Super Bowl forty eight out

(29:20):
there at the Mettlive Stadium. There was a quarterback. He
did the same exact thing a couple of years after
I did it. The only difference is they're cold tub.
The color changes when you do it, so he got
caught immediately.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
I guarantee not.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
A single penny was taken out of that quarterbacks check.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
They're not like.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
Mine a couple of years ago. So yeah, it might
have been a little disgusting, but nobody wants to get
out of the cold tub and have to go to
take a There's enough choorene and disinfected in there to
get it done, and we're all getting in the shower after.
So I saw a bunch of other players doing it,
So that's why I did it.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
I t.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
I was waiting for that drop.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Well, first of all, that's nasty, but it is overwhelmingly here.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
How do we even get all this?

Speaker 2 (30:11):
I was trying about bow Nicks fighting with Sean Payton
in the sidelines that.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
You okay, yeah, I guess that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
So you're saying that if Bodick's pete in the tub,
then that would be okay.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yeah, And I'm not getting out either.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
I'm already in there.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
I'm staying in Oh my god, that's terrible.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
I'm gonna shower after there's enough chemicals in there to
get whatever the disinfect all that.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Wrong back to it.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Though.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
That would be cool, That would be interesting if that
moment for these free agents was something they pointed to
as well, Like they thought when they saw the highlights
on Sports Center or whatever. You know, obviously they're they're
in the midst of their season, they're preparing for whatever.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
But they see they see.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Bow Nicks and Sean Payton going out on the sideline,
They're like, all right, all right, rook.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah, I dig that absolutely. I can get behind that.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
I I've been around a bunch of guys where it's
not necessarily a rookie that you're saying all right, rook
in a situation like that. But you see certain players
and you see their intensity and how they carry their self,
and certain guys you just know not to mess with
at all, right, and where you say, okay, I see

(31:19):
you pushing back, and I'm seeing players. I've seen a
player get up in the face of a coach for
something that I thought was foolish, like a coach is
passing out play, passing out you know plays, and hey,
these are the checks for this week, and the meeting
started at nine am in the morning and they're passing
it out. Now this player is mad and upset because

(31:42):
we're taking time away from the meeting because there are
a lot of checks. But while this coach is walking
around handing out this pamphlet, and now the player says
something to coach, Hey, coach, like the meeting already started
and because like I got to get into these papers,
and the player says, well, you should have got it
to them as their walking in, like the meetings just started.

(32:02):
And literally now they get into a little back and
forth in front of the whole entire offense and I'm
sitting there like this can't be the NFL. But I'm
also there like, yeah, you better not get too close
to that player because I'm rolling with the player because I.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Had my quarterback.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Did you get out of here?

Speaker 8 (32:27):
But I wasn't the first and I'm not going to be.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
I thought there was the GAT that's a technical file.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
I learned that from somebody else and they came out
of that different back.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Room I learned it from.

Speaker 9 (32:43):
He did it in a cotel, but he testifying any
boy saying that he learned it from some house.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
That's a justification.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
My justification was that I wasn't getting out of the
coldtob to get.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
Back coming in behind you that you did that?

Speaker 5 (32:58):
Did I tell the person that was come, No, I
got no got, I got caught, but I cut a
lot more people than so that's you job.

Speaker 9 (33:09):
I got caw that m by many people. So that
means that you urinate in public pools to as well.
Who's the fine for that?

Speaker 5 (33:22):
I didn't get fined in the offensive line room because
again there was a lot of other people doing it
as well, so that that was.

Speaker 8 (33:30):
Dirty and grind.

Speaker 5 (33:31):
No.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
I said that.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
The first thing that I started off with was the
first person I saw actually came out of a dB room,
a very tenured dB that's actually in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
We have narrowed that down.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
But I'm not going to mention the person. But that
was the first person that I saw do it. That's
a flag on the plate. No, I'm not getting out,
not getting out, no.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Army.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
You were getting a sock party.

Speaker 5 (34:08):
And in Super Bowl forty eight when the other person
did it, when the quarterback whoa, when the all they
sat there and there was one person that got out of.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
The cold tub. Don't talk about fifteen guys in it,
you know.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
What they said, one person that gotton with flex leadership.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Oh man, that would make me angry. But I guess
in that case would be better to be pissed off
the pissed on.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
So that's a whole new term for the visible juice.
Is it being pissed on? If it's the cold much water?

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Yes, No, there's water.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
Yes, that's my prob with.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
The millions of fish out there.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Water gave him grief about that immediately.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
I was said, that's nasty, it's terrible.

Speaker 4 (34:54):
Of the old juices.

Speaker 5 (34:55):
I I don't care because, like I said, no, not
the first person to do.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
It is certainly not the last. Wow, there are people
doing There are people. Oh, that's what's wrong with it.
That's what's wrong with that's you.

Speaker 8 (35:17):
What's wrong with.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
The sports zoo?

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Oh like a real zoo. Want my chair? That's all
I need to know.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Not the last person, maybe suggested. I don't know what's
coming up.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
On BC T all right, Michael's going to join us,
so we're probably gonna discuss cold toubs.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
It's a better part of thirty minutes sat in my
mic too as well. All right, I'm gonna have to
do it all right, wiping your seat in your.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
MinC disinfected for everybody coming out.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
Because while I'm doing a radio show, no I staved
up for cold in the air.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Grant, grant, Thank you. As always, We'll be back to
on three o'clock.