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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, happy to day. Everybody welcome to it, save Logan,
Ryan and Rashelby. Harrison is Judy, what's up, shell Man?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
What's going on? How you doing doing great?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Doing great?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
You?
Speaker 3 (00:08):
You looked like you were in a good mood and
you walked in, and then I brought up training camp
and suddenly the entire room shifted. I'm still in a
great mood, but it doesn't seem like everybody else feels
the same way about it as I did.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I'm so happy you were so excited.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
That's a lot of us that has never been to
a camp what I've attended. I mean, as a participant
you had, you would view camp totally differently.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Probably true. You know your body wouldn't be feeling so
good after twelve camps.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
No, I can't imagine, but I will say that, you
know what I had to attend to A day's boys
got tired.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
It was really hot days.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Imagine the guys.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
The one time I forgot to bring water and oh god, guys,
so let me tell you. You know, stitting out in
the ninety plus degree you must have got a foot cramp.
I just say I had to stand in the shade
for most of practice.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I'm so happy that they had some shade for you.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
It was nice of over the players.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Do you know what this is for Ryan?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I actually wondered, you know, Sean Seawann's end up training
camp this year at ten am, and I think it
was probably ten am last year. But I did wonder
for a moment if if the reason, because because I
think for some coaches has been even nine nine thirty
in the morning, which gives us more shade against the wall.
But Sean, you know, moving it up a little bit
so that the sun is going to be further along overhead,
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meaning that we've got to stand out in the sun,
just like the players do. I don't know, maybe there's
something to that.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh my gosh, tough, tough, tough job. It's such such
a tough job.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
But we're excited. Hey, we're excited for trading camp. I
am excited.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Broncos fans are excited, certainly, I understand for NFL players,
it is what it is. We got some respond stuff
coming up over the next three hours. Again five six
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Speaker 2 (01:50):
See you see both of you.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, man, do you have a nice evening you put
together with what I'll today's a Tuesday, So you didn't practice,
no pract just today.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah. I was funny.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
On Friday he came in and like looked like put together.
I was like, holy cow, man.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
This didn't come in a long sleeve white coaching shirt
in wet ass shorts.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That's you know, so like you get sitting outside for hours.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah yeah, it's like it looks like you've been spending
one hundred degree temperature day out in the sun. And yeah, okay,
so a couple of things want to get to, obviously
to the sauce gardner stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Did you guys, just for fun, did you watching any
of the home run jerky last night?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yes? Yeah, you know I love baseball, so I just
thought the coolest thing was watching calorad you switch sides
the big dumper, you know what I mean, and and
just him winning and it's the whole storyline of his
dad throwing to him, his budget catching for him, you know,
just switching sides half after the break and brother was
chirping a little bit, talking that trash. Wow. But it
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was a great you know, that's what I feel like
the sport. You know, that's what brings people together is
you know when you see a family, it is a
family ordeal bringing them together and just going out there
and he wins it and with the season look and
literally he won by point like that was just ridiculous.
But just you know, just the whole storyline beyond Kyle Riley,
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this whole off season, in the whole season, just you know,
leading the league and home runs, you know, just having
an amazing season and then he goes out there and
caps it off with the home run derby. You know,
it's it's a great story for baseball.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I mean I thought so too.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It's funny listening to and reading some of the comments today, David.
People are down on it because it didn't have a
lot of star power. We talked a bit about that yesterday,
just saying, hey, you know what, no Aeron Judge, no
Shoho Tani. It's it's a lot of guys that, if
you pay attention to baseball, you like, but there's certainly
not the marquee names out there.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
But I found it entertaining.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah, that's how I would describe it, Like entertaining. It
was on they didn't watch every single swing of every
single I did not, but went back and forth and
watched it.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
It's he just lost a little bit of the appeal.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
But honestly, it's the only thing on right now.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Well except for your w n B A, which you
continue to be just I tried to an elite experts,
just tried to tell you at w NBA Basketball Games
four and oh I paid attention that I.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Gave last night because again there's nothing else on.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
So we watched the Home Runner and then I'm like,
all right, well we turned into this game with the Valkyries,
and you see what's going on.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
See how my BET's doing.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
And the under. I think I made the under by
a half point. Yes, yeah, got that going for me?
Yeah you did, man, But like, isn't it crazy though?
This is really the state of America. They're betting on
anything like the.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Betting on a possible wait wait for tonight, I mean,
aw All Star Game V Yes, you know, it's all
sorts of great stuff to do.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
We have show me the money later. I'm not gonna
tell you for m v P. No, No, not for MVP.
Would like for I'm gonna go Hunter Goodman, Yeah, Hunter
Goodman's MVP all day.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
He's got huge odds because he's.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Going to be playing later.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, so that' it's a chance and you know, have
a game.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I do love that you actually have some strategy in
terms of why you picked Hunter Goodman and you absolutely were.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Serious about it.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
You know, he's going to be playing later, so his
chances of making a mark and having it people remember.
I mean, I'm I'm proud of that effort.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Gambling problem call her text one.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Well, oh gosh, I never thought a minute of it,
so I can't tell you that you're wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I never thought it, but it was a great strategy
said it. I was like, oh, yeah, that's actually yeah.
I think so.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
LEAs Diaz had this rae on Homer and that ended
up giving him the other All Star game MVP Man.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, I think we should start that, you know, just
a little campaign Hunter Goodman and MVP, because the Rockies
ain't got nothing else.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Going for him, well except for the fact that the
drafted Ethan Holiday and now we're all very excited about
the Rockies four years from now.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, that's okay. What is that to do with? You know,
he could do the Paul schemes are out or is
the picture from the Reds like ten fifteen years ago
that went straight from got drafted and went straight to
major leagues. I think's probably one of the last ones.
I had a good lack year. There's a picture in
the Rangers too, David to look that up. And actually
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yet I think his his.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Debut in the major leagues was great. David Clyde, Does
that sound right?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, just pop, We could be out of my could
be pie hole. Well, well we'll get our crack staff
on it. Shelby's a little faster, David Clyde. Yeah, we'll
look it up. But it's it's I guess it's possible
that he I mean he's still was high schooler.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Right, you are correct, David Clyde. Look at you.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
You got to say that's a good pull. Never doubted
you for a second. Well I doubted me. But he
pitched for the Rangers. Now he wound up hurting his arm,
I think, and his career was not great, but his
debut I believe was was pretty dug gown good for
a high school kids.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
How was it going to Mike League? Oh? He went
straight from didn't playing the miners, went straight from the
draft to the majors, and you know, it's very rare,
especially baseball, because you usually have to fine tune and
get used to the speed of the game because the
pitching is a so much more extraordinary when you get
to that, you know, once you keep moving up and
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they'll be able to go. You know, have we seen
a high school player be able to do that as
an everyday player? Yeah, like be able to go like
get drafted and go right away.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
There's been a lot of them. Actually, a lot of I've.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Gone right from high school to the major league. Oh
well maybe not, maybe not a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Well, just a lot of players have gone. Let's see here.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Brian Milner is a catcher, play was it for Worth
Southwest High School? Went straight to the Troma Blue Oh Toronto. Yeah,
that was in nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Wow, So does it happen.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
It's not not reason, but like Garret Crochet, who's a pitcher,
he went from Tennessee straight to the Chicago White Sox.
Mike Leek, you mentioned Xavier and Natty outfielder with cal
Some of those were college players, so a little bit different.
But anyways, yeah, so maybe that'll end up happening. We'll
actually chat with our buddy Thomas Hardy. He'll wrap up
the draft for us and see if the Rock He's
(08:18):
got some guys that can help us out. The other story,
at least for today, was that sauce Gardner's actually a
couple of contracts handed out. Tray Smith, offensive guard with
the Kansas City Chiefs, got a big contract today and
then Sauce Gardner reset the market with his contract, and
we were talking right before the show.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
The deals never get smaller.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
So pats or Tan just a year ago is now
the fifth highest paid cornerback just a year ago, and
Sauce resets it with over thirty million per a good player.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I would rather have patzertan man.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I just believe that, and I've been saying this throughout
this whole off season. I've been around paid the players
early because you're regretted later. And with the Broncos locking
down Passer ten, it just shows right there because like
like we're saying, I don't think there's really much of
an argument about who's a better player, but you see
(09:12):
what happens when you wait. That price tag goes up.
So Broncos Country, That's what I'm trying to tell you
about Nick Benito, is pay him now so that you
don't end up having to pay him forty or four
plus later, because.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
If he has enough Miles Garrett money, if he has.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Another season like this, somebody will I'll tell somebody because
somebody else Broncos would franchise him before they've let that.
Oh yeah, because somebody else is going to break Viles
Garrett's contract in the next year, Like who's coming up
a hold on one? Watt's not signed yet, No, he's not.
(09:55):
I don't. I don't know. And if you look at
the numbers, t J. Watt and Miles Garrett are very similar. Now,
who's better? That's I'll always say. I'll always say Miles
Garrett because I've seen him play, and I've seen him,
I know how much attention he draws from teams. But
(10:15):
I'm just I'm a huge advocate of, you know, of
paying people now because then you won't regret it later.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
But his contract, Dave is an outlier, Like it's an
out He's forty million, Daniel Hunter is thirty five.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Danil signed his way early.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Though Max Crosby he signed his and then Max Crosby's
at thirty five. Nick bost is thirty four.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Also, don't forget Daniel Hunter already had a year left
on his deal. They optionally changed his deal to fit
his production, so he's not going to reset the market
when he already had a you know, a year left
on his deal. But you know, Miles made that trade
demand and the next you know, forty million, so it's
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not out of the question. Yes, I'm not saying, you know,
he's necessarily defensive player of the Year. But the whole
thing I'm trying to say is if he does have
another season like how he did last year, that price
goes astronomically up, like it goes up.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I think the Broncos have to and maybe they already have,
and they wouldn't tell us if they have, but they've
got to determine. I mean, I know they love Nick Benito, right,
So how much do you love him?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Do you love him? I mean, like Max Crosby, do
you love him like that? Do you love him?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
A guy that is I mean Max Crosby, I don't
need to tell anybody is really good in terms of
rushing the pastor but he's a hell of a run
defender too. So if you're the Broncos, do you when
you look at Nick Benito and you're talking about giving
him whatever kind of money twenty seven, thirty five, forty
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whatever and guaranteeing a lot of money, they have to
reach the conclusion that, you know what, he's that guy.
Because if they do, then I'm with Shelby, then go
ahead and you know, make a deal. Now that would
be almost impossible for him to turn down. Well, what
(12:17):
if they don't. What if they really like him, they
think he's an up and coming young stud but they
don't What if they don't view him like Miles Garrett,
or like Max Crosby, or like TJ.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Watts.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
What if they view him in the next tier down?
And even though maybe Nick doesn't view himself in the
next tier down, what do you do at that point?
And I think that's that's what we're talking about. Because
I don't have any inside information, I don't have any
idea how they view him, But I think just generally speaking,
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that would be a question for the GM and the
head coach, and then for fans of whatever team we're
talking about. In this case, the Broncos to step back
and say, Okay, how much do they really love Nick Benito.
Can you love a guy and not want to be
married to him forever? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Well, now we're seeing more of this shorter term deals
when teams can't necessarily get some stuff done. You know,
you might get a two year, three year deal instead
of like the four year deal that usually comes after
you sign. You might after after you rookie year, after
you rookie contract. But man, like, you're right though, they
have to determine if that price tag, if the price
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tag fits the love they have for him, and if not,
then I think you got to trade him. I think
I think you said tight.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
If not, I think they sit tight this year, and they,
in a very nice way, say listen, we here's where
we are.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
We love you.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
We're gonna let this year play out, and we will
readdress this situation.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
As soon as the season ends.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Now, you know, I can't imagine Nick Benido is going
to love that, But that's I mean, it's the NFL business.
Decisions like that are made all the time.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
He's the guy I'd be willing to wait on no
offense to anything you said. Like Nick Benito a lot
like his talent, but right now, certainly an ascending player,
had his breakout season last year, he's playing in the
final year of his rookie contract. I think it's worth
for me the difference of whatever I'd be thinking about
about his contract right now, whether I'm in the twenty
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five to twenty eight because you brought it up there,
the tier drops after Nick Bost, so we go from
thirty four per to twenty eight. And so if you're
thinking like, well, I think he's more like the twenty
five to twenty eight guy, and you know, hey, if
he ends up being a thirty five guy, then that's
what it is. He's not going to be Miles Garrett.
He's not a defensive player of the Year conversation.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
At least not yet. But if he goes out there
he puts up fifteen sacks and it's like, hey man,
it was worthy.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
It's worth the investment of time to know that he
has now arrived and we can consider consistently expect this
from him.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Well, I kind of disagree with you on the idea
that with the way that this team and their and
their front seven is configured, he could and possibly will
be a defensive player. You're not, you know, candidate just
because they have to win on one block pretty much.
You know, they have to pick their poison. They have
too many weapons on their D line. They sit there
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and try to double team every player there. And so
he's going to get his ops throughout the whole season.
I wouldn't be surprised if he has a better year
next year than end of this year. See.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
I also think it's worth mentioning that. I mean, when
I think of Nick Benito, I think of edge pass rusher.
Right when I think of Max Crosby or Miles Garrett
for that matter, or do they at times fit the
edge pass rusher? Yes, but I get and this may
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be an old school thing. I think of both of
those guys as defensive ends. I do not think of
Nick Benito as a defensive end. I think of Benito
more like TJ. Watt in terms of, when you look
at him, you're trying to identify, Okay, what are the
end of the in a three man front?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Is this a four man front? I look at TJ.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Watt and say, I know he's probably coming, but that
dude's a linebacker. He's an outside linebacker. That's how I
look at Benito.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Hey, you're not wrong, you know I mean, because look
what he did to Cleveland, dropped in coverage, tacked it off,
ran it back. So that's the thing about you know,
guys like him TJ. Watt, they will have to drop
a little bit more I guess than normal d ns
VA had to drop here. Yeah, no he did, you
know what I mean? So that's it comes with the scheme.
But man, with the way that dance Joseph draws up
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looks for his guys, I just expect him to have
a better use. So what happens if he comes out
here and drops sixteen sacks.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Then you pay him thirty five million per and you
just this is I know what you're gonna do there, Grant.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Grant doesn't miss an opportunity. He's like, you remember what
he did against Cleveland, and Grant like, I got that
right here. Yeah, we're ready to go with that one.
But this is this is the thing really quick.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I think if you're the Broncos, you look at it
in terms of do we do we want to consider
him at this moment and know that he's a twenty
five to twenty eight in that range. Brian Burns, TJ. Watt, Montes, Sweat,
Rashaan Gary, it's kind of that range. Or do we
wait and just say, you know what, if he proves
us right, that's good news for us because he's a
sixteen SAX season. It's gonna be worth the freight. What
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do you think, David? I mean, you'd say, right now,
if I told you you could get the deal with
Nick Benito done with twenty eight now, would you do that?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Or would you want to wait to see if it
ends up being thirty five?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Mm?
Speaker 4 (17:53):
I think it would depend on how many years we're
talking about and what the guarantee is. Those two things
have to be factored in. But I think I would
be inclined to wait. I think I think, I mean,
it's not a heel to die on for me, and
the and the fact and the fact that you are
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celebrating the both of us.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
That's want to change my point of view immediately. So
he just threw up a W at me. He just
threw up because the great Dave Logan is on his side.
He threw up a W.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Has nothing to do with me being great, has everything
to do with This is the first time, and more
than likely the last time, that I will ever agree
with him on anything connected to football.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
See, my biggest thing is Ryan, you can't have both arguments.
We started a segment Welcome to Welcome to Ryan's World.
I started this segment saying how lucky the Broncos were
that they went and paid passer Tan. It's the same
conversation because we knew.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Pastor Taine was a cornerstone player going into the season.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
We're not so sure yet on Nick Benito.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
How much more does he need to show.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
You another season?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
So you need three good seasons out of him before
he knows because coming his first coming out was eight. Yeah,
now thirteen and a half.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Jnfrey Lamers had nearly eight win last year.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, he had. There's two seasons ago. Nickanino had eight.
Last year he had thirteen half. So just my thinking
of you know, the players that you draft and what
you expected them. Unless they think that Nick Beannino's hit
his ceiling, I'm just assuming that it's going to keep going.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
You also drafted edge rushers and back to back.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Drafts and that and that's also and they did produce.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
They did. Jonah looked good last year.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
You had two guys with five stacks behind and so Jandre.
So I'm pretty sure you know, thinking of all that too,
they won't. They they're not going to sign them because
you got to see how the young guys do too
and how they develop. So it sounds like you can agree, Well, no,
because the issue is more of because when it comes
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to that and you have young guys behind, if you
can get away with going cheaper, you will for sure
like and that's that you can put that money somewhere
else from the team where you feel like you need it.
And so that's the main thing. If you can get
away with going cheaper and go in front of young guys,
they can't. So this all this whole camp. If you
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see all the young guys the whole season seeming young
guys ball out, you know it might it might signal
a trade or something for Nick Midea.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
July fifteenth, mark it down. They've logan, agreed with me.
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Speaker 2 (21:12):
It's not a what is the text line crushing you?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Well, they're just saying that Shelby is right, that I was,
you were what else you agreed with me? So?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
What is? Are we both wrong?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You're in line with which?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Which party? I've already used that.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
For my brain waiting Nicko, no no no, I said
what I thought they would do, what you do?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
What I would do.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
I'd try if I could get him signed to a
shorter deal like whatever that deal would look like. I
might try that, but I don't know. I mean, when
he sees the money floating around with some of these dudes,
you know, it's like we talked about earlier. Now you
get Sauce Gardner with this, I mean, whomever is the
next outstanding corner to be up rest assured? He's already
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called his agent and said, you did see what Sauce
Gardners signed.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
For right, Yeah, I would say like a three four
eighty four, how much guarantee for him? But he got
to think about it. For him, them have to sign
it early. It'll have to be like fifty eight sixty,
So I see, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
I don't know if he'd signed right now a deal
that guaranteed a three year deal guarantee.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
In him sixty maybe maybe, because then you hit the
market to even if they don't like you, if they
don't want you to have that deal, you hit the
market in two years because those those are guarantees are
pretty much two years of guarantees, but a little bit
of third, a little bit of a thirtyear But then
you'll be able to, for his eyes, be able to
hit the market again at how old is Nick Wadino
(22:49):
twenty five?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Right?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, I think it's right. You hit the market again
at twenties twenty seven, and then you get another another
you need to do a three year deal right there,
and then you're good by thirty.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Well, it'd be nice of him to give the Broncos
a deal. No, that's what that sounds like.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
No, you know why, because every player anything they get
they deserve. It's like teams. Here's the crazy part about
the team team friendly deals and all. So that stuff
sounds great for like the fans and all that stuff,
but if you over if you overplay your contract, they
won't pay you more. But if you underplay your contact,
they'll cut you. So I don't ever believe in a
(23:27):
team friendly. Did go out there and get up get
them as much as you can get. But also it's
all about your fit, you know what I mean, what
like what team fit, and so I think that's a
big deal. You can go to a wrong team just
for the money and then that's the only contact you
want to get because your play drops off, you know
what I mean. So it's a mix of both, it is.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
And they paid Joanna well, they paid Jonathan Cooper last year, Valentin,
you to say no, I say Jonah Ellis okay, the
other head rusher, So he was a rookie last year,
So you got you drafted Ke Robinson, you drafted Jonah Ellis,
You paid Jonathan coup for last year, so.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Too.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Dave's point, it all seems to paint a picture of
them being willing to wait. That picture being painted right
now is the willing to willing to wait because they
probably can't wait on Courtland Sudden, they probably can't wait
on Zach Allen. They're gonna probably try to wait on JFM.
We've talked about that, so we don't.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Want to wait on Zach Allen.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Uh, he's sort of defensive captain guy. You I mean,
you do you want to keep him happy?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
You want?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I mean, he had a great season last year.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I'm just telling you, man, Like, it's there's a there's
a vocal presence he has in the locker room. There's
a there's a presence when he's in there that, at
least from me as a media member that I noticed. Okay,
you've been into eleven, would you know.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I'm just you know, that's why you spell. I want
to I want to throw this out there. That's poppy cock.
But I'm not saying that about him. I'm just saying that. No, Like,
it's very hard for a member of the media just
being in the locker room for twenty minutes to can
feel on who the leader of the team is. Now.
What I will say though, is that he is a
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hell of a player. But I feel like everybody has
their own different type of voice on that team. You know,
what I mean, like Zach Allen is a hell of
a player, plays to run very well, plays a pass
very well. But it happened and that's why I'm saying
they all work well together. All this kind of came
together when they put these pieces together. That when they
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when they brought JFM and you know what I mean,
Nick Benito started hitting his ceiling. Let's started, you know,
doing his assent, and then Jonathan Cooper started doing better too.
That's when Zach Allen really got into this last year
of being that dominant player that he was this last year.
So it's it's a mix of everybody together working And
that's the thing what I was trying to say earlier.
(25:48):
When you have this many pieces, you have to be
able to They're gonna get free, They're gonna get lose
because you can't double team everybody. Well.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
With John Gooper Dave thirteen and a half per that's
a steal for what he does for this team.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I love that contract.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I think I think he's I mean, I think he's
a really good player and a guy that fits the
locker room, fits the culture. Fit's exactly what the coaches
are trying to teach some of the young guys sets
great example on the field off the field. I mean,
he's he's a first class guy. And I you know,
(26:26):
I think they I mean Jonathan Cooper, you know, his
career didn't get off to the kind of start so
that he wanted. So for Jonathan Cooper to be able
to sign that deal, right, I mean, I think both
the Broncos and Coop benefited.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
No doubt, it's been a linebackers.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
They did the linebacker top ten list today, Fred Warner
of course, in a category all by himself, Roquan Smith,
so on and so forth. Our guy, Frey Greenlaw made
it in the top ten, even coming off an injured season. Yeah,
he made it in the top seed.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
He's number nine out.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
The question I guess I have trying not to sound
too snarky with this, but the question I have is
that more of an indication of what the linebacker position is,
the off ball linebacker position is, or is that more
of an indication of how good Dray Green liaes.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
I I hadn't thought about that. My guess would be
more of an indication of what kind of player Dray Green.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Liaes when he's when he's healthy.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
You know, I said it was out to one of
the OTAs and we walked out on the field and
Dre obviously wasn't practicing, but he was in gear and
came out with his helmet and walked as close to
Shelby is to me, A it's just a different it's
(27:46):
a different look. I mean, it's like, Okay, I do
believe that's probably what you want your inside linebacker to
look like. I know he's not playing. I know he's
had some injury issues, but I'm just telling you when
he went, he puts on pads and he plays with
He plays with a real sort of fervor that I
(28:07):
enjoy watching and just appreciated guy that plays with that
kind of motor and his intent. I mean, he's got
I think Drake Greenlaw and I thought this when he
was in San Francisco too, He's got a little old
school play to him in that he tries to make
a statement when he hits you. A lot of guys
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are just trying to tackle you, and I get that
he's trying to knock the taste out of your mouth.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
So I think Bronco fans will really enjoy his play.
He would easily be a top ten linebacker. It's just
a matter of, like Dave said, being healthy, you know,
and that's just the question mark that is going to
ride with him until he proves they can stay healthy.
And because the guy is a hell of a player.
And this is you know, Fed Warner was a big
part of that San Fran team with Drake Greenlaw. You
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saw the drop off when he wasn't around and that
san fand I hate to say it, but they might
they might have won that super Bowl if he doesn't
get hurt, you know, like he's he was that big
of a part of that defense. And so it says,
we'll see. But I'm a big believer of you know,
you got to prove of me you can stay healthy,
because honestly, I think it could just be. Uh, sometimes
(29:19):
it's genetic. Sometimes people are just more prone to get hurt,
as we see it. Sometimes people aren't. But yeah, but
some just it just comes in bunches, and hopefully.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
So she sometimes people are it's just he says, it's
just genetic.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Is that is that a thread or a promise?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
No, I just think I worry about when we walk
out of here together. From time to time, I worry
about your back.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Well, you know from Kerry in the show, I could understand.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
What did you just say that? But I do follow
you in Shelby I'm talking about headgear.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Well I was.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
I was like, which will Well, what tends to happen
is we're talking like we'll be in break and he's
wandering over that, and I was like, oh, you know,
we'll just continue our conversation. And I'm talking to I'm
talking with him, and then we get to the bathroom
door and one.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Of these flush and leave after I wash my hands.
It's like when your kid follows to the bathroom, like
like I gotta go number two to the okay, yeah,
just keep talking and they'd just be like okay and
just sit there staring, and I'm like that means you
gotta go. You got you go, right They're like, no,
I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
When you when you when you when you go poo poop?
You don't have family members in the bathroom with you
or do you.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Don't have time?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I'm not a social Uh no, better that's better.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Better that way, that's better.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Well, I mean listen, if you if you told me, hey, Ryan,
I need you, I need you to get out of here.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
You know, then it'd be fine.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
No, when when you're in like, uh, this wouldn't be public.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
We're in a studio and then we're able to go
to the restroom during breaks. I mean, you're not going
to tell one of your co workers who happens to
sidle up to the stall next to you, like, what
are you doing?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
I don't talk to you while we're at the stall. Well,
actually I did what I was going to say. It's
not really my memory, but that.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
And was talking.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, that's that's me. That's me, you know, as far
as guy code goes, that was that's me.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
I got to learn there's no need to make eye
contact in the bathroom when talking. I mean normally when
you talk to somebody, you like to look him dead
in the eyes, But if you're in the stall next
to him, it's not necessary. Where else am I supposed
to look you looking straight ahead or down? Yeah, to
be disappointed and get out of the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Oh gosh, that.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Set you up for that by right up there with
Rick yesterday with the what was that the Breeders cup?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Oh yeah, that was that was a classic instant class.
We're talking about Antono Commarti.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Oh wow, we doesn't even have to be cued in.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
It's like, oh wow, well starting with Philip.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Rivers and then we then not in the Antonio Cromarti,
I mean, yeah, ten kids with one wife.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Well, it is the fact that Antonio Commarti has some
kids very close to some age.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
He's got fourteen what do we say, fourteen with eight women?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Fourteen? I feel them can't get held down.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, is missus Harris listening right now? I don't know
if that's the I don't know if that's the angle
you take as a married man, but I love that's right, that's.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
So one thing I do want to get to. You're
talking about players that are often injured. And I saw
a stad about the Broncos running twelve personnel, which is
two tight ends to wide receivers, one running back. I
saw a stat that Sean Payton ran that the fewest
amount in like five years, like since twenty twenty last season,
and I started to wonder if part of that is
(33:06):
because Greg Dulsage didn't pan out the way the Broncos
ultimately planned on.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Absolutely, I mean, if you have shown the inclination based
on those numbers to be a twelve personnel guy at
least a significant percentage of your plays, and then all
of a sudden that number drops. It's pretty clear you
don't really like your tight ends and you like your
wide receivers more in terms of what they can do.
(33:33):
The Dulstage thing was crazy to me. You know, I'm
not sure that Dulsage doesn't have a good season in
New York because his athletic ability, he takes a backseat
to nobody in terms of how he runs for a
big athlete. Now staying healthy and being a willing blocker
and get little grit and what you sit on and
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have a little toughness to you. I don't know about
that with him, just in terms of athletically speaking, that
guy for a big guy can go.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, I think what you actually have to realize and
I think, you know, going back to your point of
you saying twelve personnel was the least Shine has ran.
It's called him actually being smart and being like, I
don't have the guys. I'm not going to keep putting
people in positions to fail, So I'm going to fix
I'm gonna change my offense. It kind of goes to
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the argument we were having last week about you know,
play callers, quarterbacks, amount of stuff of He realized his
offense that he wanted to run wouldn't work with the
personnel that they had, so he had to adjust his
offense to fit really the team, and that's how look
what happened playoffs
All right, happy to day. Everybody welcome to it, save Logan,
Ryan and Rashelby. Harrison is Judy, what's up, shell Man?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
What's going on? How you doing doing great?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Doing great?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
You?
Speaker 3 (00:08):
You looked like you were in a good mood and
you walked in, and then I brought up training camp
and suddenly the entire room shifted. I'm still in a
great mood, but it doesn't seem like everybody else feels
the same way about it as I did.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I'm so happy you were so excited.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
That's a lot of us that has never been to
a camp what I've attended. I mean, as a participant
you had, you would view camp totally differently.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Probably true. You know your body wouldn't be feeling so
good after twelve camps.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
No, I can't imagine, but I will say that, you
know what I had to attend to A day's boys
got tired.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
It was really hot days.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Imagine the guys.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
The one time I forgot to bring water and oh god, guys,
so let me tell you. You know, stitting out in
the ninety plus degree you must have got a foot cramp.
I just say I had to stand in the shade
for most of practice.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I'm so happy that they had some shade for you.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
It was nice of over the players.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Do you know what this is for Ryan?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I actually wondered, you know, Sean Seawann's end up training
camp this year at ten am, and I think it
was probably ten am last year. But I did wonder
for a moment if if the reason, because because I
think for some coaches has been even nine nine thirty
in the morning, which gives us more shade against the wall.
But Sean, you know, moving it up a little bit
so that the sun is going to be further along overhead,
(01:28):
meaning that we've got to stand out in the sun,
just like the players do. I don't know, maybe there's
something to that.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh my gosh, tough, tough, tough job. It's such such
a tough job.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
But we're excited. Hey, we're excited for trading camp. I
am excited.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Broncos fans are excited, certainly, I understand for NFL players,
it is what it is. We got some respond stuff
coming up over the next three hours. Again five six
six nine zeros or Kae commasparate health text line. If
you want to interact with the show, Dave my friend
get to.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
See you see both of you.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, man, do you have a nice evening you put
together with what I'll today's a Tuesday, So you didn't practice,
no pract just today.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah. I was funny.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
On Friday he came in and like looked like put together.
I was like, holy cow, man.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
This didn't come in a long sleeve white coaching shirt
in wet ass shorts.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
That's you know, so like you get sitting outside for hours.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Yeah yeah, it's like it looks like you've been spending
one hundred degree temperature day out in the sun. And yeah, okay,
so a couple of things want to get to, obviously
to the sauce gardner stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Did you guys, just for fun, did you watching any
of the home run jerky last night?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yes? Yeah, you know I love baseball, so I just
thought the coolest thing was watching calorad you switch sides
the big dumper, you know what I mean, and and
just him winning and it's the whole storyline of his
dad throwing to him, his budget catching for him, you know,
just switching sides half after the break and brother was
chirping a little bit, talking that trash. Wow. But it
(02:49):
was a great you know, that's what I feel like
the sport. You know, that's what brings people together is
you know when you see a family, it is a
family ordeal bringing them together and just going out there
and he wins it and with the season look and
literally he won by point like that was just ridiculous.
But just you know, just the whole storyline beyond Kyle Riley,
(03:11):
this whole off season, in the whole season, just you know,
leading the league and home runs, you know, just having
an amazing season and then he goes out there and
caps it off with the home run derby. You know,
it's it's a great story for baseball.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I mean I thought so too.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
It's funny listening to and reading some of the comments today, David.
People are down on it because it didn't have a
lot of star power. We talked a bit about that yesterday,
just saying, hey, you know what, no Aeron Judge, no
Shoho Tani. It's it's a lot of guys that, if
you pay attention to baseball, you like, but there's certainly
not the marquee names out there.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
But I found it entertaining.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Yeah, that's how I would describe it, Like entertaining. It
was on they didn't watch every single swing of every
single I did not, but went back and forth and
watched it.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
It's he just lost a little bit of the appeal.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
But honestly, it's the only thing on right now.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Well except for your w n B A, which you
continue to be just I tried to an elite experts,
just tried to tell you at w NBA Basketball Games
four and oh I paid attention that I.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Gave last night because again there's nothing else on.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
So we watched the Home Runner and then I'm like,
all right, well we turned into this game with the Valkyries,
and you see what's going on.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
See how my BET's doing.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
And the under. I think I made the under by
a half point. Yes, yeah, got that going for me?
Yeah you did, man, But like, isn't it crazy though?
This is really the state of America. They're betting on
anything like the.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Betting on a possible wait wait for tonight, I mean,
aw All Star Game V Yes, you know, it's all
sorts of great stuff to do.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
We have show me the money later. I'm not gonna
tell you for m v P. No, No, not for MVP.
Would like for I'm gonna go Hunter Goodman, Yeah, Hunter
Goodman's MVP all day.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
He's got huge odds because he's.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Going to be playing later.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, so that' it's a chance and you know, have
a game.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I do love that you actually have some strategy in
terms of why you picked Hunter Goodman and you absolutely were.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Serious about it.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
You know, he's going to be playing later, so his
chances of making a mark and having it people remember.
I mean, I'm I'm proud of that effort.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Gambling problem call her text one.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Well, oh gosh, I never thought a minute of it,
so I can't tell you that you're wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I never thought it, but it was a great strategy
said it. I was like, oh, yeah, that's actually yeah.
I think so.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
LEAs Diaz had this rae on Homer and that ended
up giving him the other All Star game MVP Man.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, I think we should start that, you know, just
a little campaign Hunter Goodman and MVP, because the Rockies
ain't got nothing else.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Going for him, well except for the fact that the
drafted Ethan Holiday and now we're all very excited about
the Rockies four years from now.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, that's okay. What is that to do with? You know,
he could do the Paul schemes are out or is
the picture from the Reds like ten fifteen years ago
that went straight from got drafted and went straight to
major leagues. I think's probably one of the last ones.
I had a good lack year. There's a picture in
the Rangers too, David to look that up. And actually
(06:22):
yet I think his his.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Debut in the major leagues was great. David Clyde, Does
that sound right?
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, just pop, We could be out of my could
be pie hole. Well, well we'll get our crack staff
on it. Shelby's a little faster, David Clyde. Yeah, we'll
look it up. But it's it's I guess it's possible
that he I mean he's still was high schooler.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Right, you are correct, David Clyde. Look at you.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
You got to say that's a good pull. Never doubted
you for a second. Well I doubted me. But he
pitched for the Rangers. Now he wound up hurting his arm,
I think, and his career was not great, but his
debut I believe was was pretty dug gown good for
a high school kids.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
How was it going to Mike League? Oh? He went
straight from didn't playing the miners, went straight from the
draft to the majors, and you know, it's very rare,
especially baseball, because you usually have to fine tune and
get used to the speed of the game because the
pitching is a so much more extraordinary when you get
to that, you know, once you keep moving up and
(07:25):
they'll be able to go. You know, have we seen
a high school player be able to do that as
an everyday player? Yeah, like be able to go like
get drafted and go right away.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
There's been a lot of them. Actually, a lot of I've.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Gone right from high school to the major league. Oh
well maybe not, maybe not a lot of them.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Well, just a lot of players have gone. Let's see here.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Brian Milner is a catcher, play was it for Worth
Southwest High School? Went straight to the Troma Blue Oh Toronto. Yeah,
that was in nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Wow, So does it happen.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
It's not not reason, but like Garret Crochet, who's a pitcher,
he went from Tennessee straight to the Chicago White Sox.
Mike Leek, you mentioned Xavier and Natty outfielder with cal
Some of those were college players, so a little bit different.
But anyways, yeah, so maybe that'll end up happening. We'll
actually chat with our buddy Thomas Hardy. He'll wrap up
the draft for us and see if the Rock He's
(08:18):
got some guys that can help us out. The other story,
at least for today, was that sauce Gardner's actually a
couple of contracts handed out. Tray Smith, offensive guard with
the Kansas City Chiefs, got a big contract today and
then Sauce Gardner reset the market with his contract, and
we were talking right before the show.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
The deals never get smaller.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
So pats or Tan just a year ago is now
the fifth highest paid cornerback just a year ago, and
Sauce resets it with over thirty million per a good player.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I would rather have patzertan man.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I just believe that, and I've been saying this throughout
this whole off season. I've been around paid the players
early because you're regretted later. And with the Broncos locking
down Passer ten, it just shows right there because like
like we're saying, I don't think there's really much of
an argument about who's a better player, but you see
(09:12):
what happens when you wait. That price tag goes up.
So Broncos Country, That's what I'm trying to tell you
about Nick Benito, is pay him now so that you
don't end up having to pay him forty or four
plus later, because.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
If he has enough Miles Garrett money, if he has.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Another season like this, somebody will I'll tell somebody because
somebody else Broncos would franchise him before they've let that.
Oh yeah, because somebody else is going to break Viles
Garrett's contract in the next year, Like who's coming up
a hold on one? Watt's not signed yet, No, he's not.
(09:55):
I don't. I don't know. And if you look at
the numbers, t J. Watt and Miles Garrett are very similar. Now,
who's better? That's I'll always say. I'll always say Miles
Garrett because I've seen him play, and I've seen him,
I know how much attention he draws from teams. But
(10:15):
I'm just I'm a huge advocate of, you know, of
paying people now because then you won't regret it later.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
But his contract, Dave is an outlier, Like it's an
out He's forty million, Daniel Hunter is thirty five.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Danil signed his way early.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Though Max Crosby he signed his and then Max Crosby's
at thirty five. Nick bost is thirty four.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Also, don't forget Daniel Hunter already had a year left
on his deal. They optionally changed his deal to fit
his production, so he's not going to reset the market
when he already had a you know, a year left
on his deal. But you know, Miles made that trade
demand and the next you know, forty million, so it's
(10:59):
not out of the question. Yes, I'm not saying, you know,
he's necessarily defensive player of the Year. But the whole
thing I'm trying to say is if he does have
another season like how he did last year, that price
goes astronomically up, like it goes up.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I think the Broncos have to and maybe they already have,
and they wouldn't tell us if they have, but they've
got to determine. I mean, I know they love Nick Benito, right,
So how much do you love him?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Do you love him? I mean, like Max Crosby, do
you love him like that? Do you love him?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
A guy that is I mean Max Crosby, I don't
need to tell anybody is really good in terms of
rushing the pastor but he's a hell of a run
defender too. So if you're the Broncos, do you when
you look at Nick Benito and you're talking about giving
him whatever kind of money twenty seven, thirty five, forty
(11:55):
whatever and guaranteeing a lot of money, they have to
reach the conclusion that, you know what, he's that guy.
Because if they do, then I'm with Shelby, then go
ahead and you know, make a deal. Now that would
be almost impossible for him to turn down. Well, what
(12:17):
if they don't. What if they really like him, they
think he's an up and coming young stud but they
don't What if they don't view him like Miles Garrett,
or like Max Crosby, or like TJ.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Watts.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
What if they view him in the next tier down?
And even though maybe Nick doesn't view himself in the
next tier down, what do you do at that point?
And I think that's that's what we're talking about. Because
I don't have any inside information, I don't have any
idea how they view him, But I think just generally speaking,
(12:53):
that would be a question for the GM and the
head coach, and then for fans of whatever team we're
talking about. In this case, the Broncos to step back
and say, Okay, how much do they really love Nick Benito.
Can you love a guy and not want to be
married to him forever? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Well, now we're seeing more of this shorter term deals
when teams can't necessarily get some stuff done. You know,
you might get a two year, three year deal instead
of like the four year deal that usually comes after
you sign. You might after after you rookie year, after
you rookie contract. But man, like, you're right though, they
have to determine if that price tag, if the price
(13:37):
tag fits the love they have for him, and if not,
then I think you got to trade him. I think
I think you said tight.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
If not, I think they sit tight this year, and they,
in a very nice way, say listen, we here's where
we are.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
We love you.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
We're gonna let this year play out, and we will
readdress this situation.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
As soon as the season ends.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Now, you know, I can't imagine Nick Benido is going
to love that, But that's I mean, it's the NFL business.
Decisions like that are made all the time.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
He's the guy I'd be willing to wait on no
offense to anything you said. Like Nick Benito a lot
like his talent, but right now, certainly an ascending player,
had his breakout season last year, he's playing in the
final year of his rookie contract. I think it's worth
for me the difference of whatever I'd be thinking about
about his contract right now, whether I'm in the twenty
(14:38):
five to twenty eight because you brought it up there,
the tier drops after Nick Bost, so we go from
thirty four per to twenty eight. And so if you're
thinking like, well, I think he's more like the twenty
five to twenty eight guy, and you know, hey, if
he ends up being a thirty five guy, then that's
what it is. He's not going to be Miles Garrett.
He's not a defensive player of the Year conversation.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
At least not yet. But if he goes out there
he puts up fifteen sacks and it's like, hey man,
it was worthy.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
It's worth the investment of time to know that he
has now arrived and we can consider consistently expect this
from him.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Well, I kind of disagree with you on the idea
that with the way that this team and their and
their front seven is configured, he could and possibly will
be a defensive player. You're not, you know, candidate just
because they have to win on one block pretty much.
You know, they have to pick their poison. They have
too many weapons on their D line. They sit there
(15:28):
and try to double team every player there. And so
he's going to get his ops throughout the whole season.
I wouldn't be surprised if he has a better year
next year than end of this year. See.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
I also think it's worth mentioning that. I mean, when
I think of Nick Benito, I think of edge pass rusher.
Right when I think of Max Crosby or Miles Garrett
for that matter, or do they at times fit the
edge pass rusher? Yes, but I get and this may
(16:02):
be an old school thing. I think of both of
those guys as defensive ends. I do not think of
Nick Benito as a defensive end. I think of Benito
more like TJ. Watt in terms of, when you look
at him, you're trying to identify, Okay, what are the
end of the in a three man front?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
Is this a four man front? I look at TJ.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Watt and say, I know he's probably coming, but that
dude's a linebacker. He's an outside linebacker. That's how I
look at Benito.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Hey, you're not wrong, you know I mean, because look
what he did to Cleveland, dropped in coverage, tacked it off,
ran it back. So that's the thing about you know,
guys like him TJ. Watt, they will have to drop
a little bit more I guess than normal d ns
VA had to drop here. Yeah, no he did, you
know what I mean? So that's it comes with the scheme.
But man, with the way that dance Joseph draws up
(16:53):
looks for his guys, I just expect him to have
a better use. So what happens if he comes out
here and drops sixteen sacks.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Then you pay him thirty five million per and you
just this is I know what you're gonna do there, Grant.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Grant doesn't miss an opportunity. He's like, you remember what
he did against Cleveland, and Grant like, I got that
right here. Yeah, we're ready to go with that one.
But this is this is the thing really quick.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
I think if you're the Broncos, you look at it
in terms of do we do we want to consider
him at this moment and know that he's a twenty
five to twenty eight in that range. Brian Burns, TJ. Watt, Montes, Sweat,
Rashaan Gary, it's kind of that range. Or do we
wait and just say, you know what, if he proves
us right, that's good news for us because he's a
sixteen SAX season. It's gonna be worth the freight. What
(17:38):
do you think, David? I mean, you'd say, right now,
if I told you you could get the deal with
Nick Benito done with twenty eight now, would you do that?
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Or would you want to wait to see if it
ends up being thirty five?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Mm?
Speaker 4 (17:53):
I think it would depend on how many years we're
talking about and what the guarantee is. Those two things
have to be factored in. But I think I would
be inclined to wait. I think I think, I mean,
it's not a heel to die on for me, and
the and the fact and the fact that you are
(18:14):
celebrating the both of us.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
That's want to change my point of view immediately. So
he just threw up a W at me. He just
threw up because the great Dave Logan is on his side.
He threw up a W.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Has nothing to do with me being great, has everything
to do with This is the first time, and more
than likely the last time, that I will ever agree
with him on anything connected to football.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
See, my biggest thing is Ryan, you can't have both arguments.
We started a segment Welcome to Welcome to Ryan's World.
I started this segment saying how lucky the Broncos were
that they went and paid passer Tan. It's the same
conversation because we knew.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Pastor Taine was a cornerstone player going into the season.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
We're not so sure yet on Nick Benito.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
How much more does he need to show.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
You another season?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
So you need three good seasons out of him before
he knows because coming his first coming out was eight. Yeah,
now thirteen and a half.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Jnfrey Lamers had nearly eight win last year.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, he had. There's two seasons ago. Nickanino had eight.
Last year he had thirteen half. So just my thinking
of you know, the players that you draft and what
you expected them. Unless they think that Nick Beannino's hit
his ceiling, I'm just assuming that it's going to keep going.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
You also drafted edge rushers and back to back.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Drafts and that and that's also and they did produce.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
They did. Jonah looked good last year.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
You had two guys with five stacks behind and so Jandre.
So I'm pretty sure you know, thinking of all that too,
they won't. They they're not going to sign them because
you got to see how the young guys do too
and how they develop. So it sounds like you can agree, Well, no,
because the issue is more of because when it comes
(20:09):
to that and you have young guys behind, if you
can get away with going cheaper, you will for sure
like and that's that you can put that money somewhere
else from the team where you feel like you need it.
And so that's the main thing. If you can get
away with going cheaper and go in front of young guys,
they can't. So this all this whole camp. If you
(20:29):
see all the young guys the whole season seeming young
guys ball out, you know it might it might signal
a trade or something for Nick Midea.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
July fifteenth, mark it down. They've logan, agreed with me.
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by the way, very quickly.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
It's not a what is the text line crushing you?
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Well, they're just saying that Shelby is right, that I was,
you were what else you agreed with me? So?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
What is? Are we both wrong?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
You're in line with which?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Which party? I've already used that.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
For my brain waiting Nicko, no no no, I said
what I thought they would do, what you do?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
What I would do.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
I'd try if I could get him signed to a
shorter deal like whatever that deal would look like. I
might try that, but I don't know. I mean, when
he sees the money floating around with some of these dudes,
you know, it's like we talked about earlier. Now you
get Sauce Gardner with this, I mean, whomever is the
next outstanding corner to be up rest assured? He's already
(22:01):
called his agent and said, you did see what Sauce
Gardners signed.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
For right, Yeah, I would say like a three four
eighty four, how much guarantee for him? But he got
to think about it. For him, them have to sign
it early. It'll have to be like fifty eight sixty,
So I see, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
I don't know if he'd signed right now a deal
that guaranteed a three year deal guarantee.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
In him sixty maybe maybe, because then you hit the
market to even if they don't like you, if they
don't want you to have that deal, you hit the
market in two years because those those are guarantees are
pretty much two years of guarantees, but a little bit
of third, a little bit of a thirtyear But then
you'll be able to, for his eyes, be able to
hit the market again at how old is Nick Wadino
(22:49):
twenty five?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Right?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yeah, I think it's right. You hit the market again
at twenties twenty seven, and then you get another another
you need to do a three year deal right there,
and then you're good by thirty.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Well, it'd be nice of him to give the Broncos
a deal. No, that's what that sounds like.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
No, you know why, because every player anything they get
they deserve. It's like teams. Here's the crazy part about
the team team friendly deals and all. So that stuff
sounds great for like the fans and all that stuff,
but if you over if you overplay your contract, they
won't pay you more. But if you underplay your contact,
they'll cut you. So I don't ever believe in a
(23:27):
team friendly. Did go out there and get up get
them as much as you can get. But also it's
all about your fit, you know what I mean, what
like what team fit, and so I think that's a
big deal. You can go to a wrong team just
for the money and then that's the only contact you
want to get because your play drops off, you know
what I mean. So it's a mix of both, it is.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
And they paid Joanna well, they paid Jonathan Cooper last year, Valentin,
you to say no, I say Jonah Ellis okay, the
other head rusher, So he was a rookie last year,
So you got you drafted Ke Robinson, you drafted Jonah Ellis,
You paid Jonathan coup for last year, so.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Too.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Dave's point, it all seems to paint a picture of
them being willing to wait. That picture being painted right
now is the willing to willing to wait because they
probably can't wait on Courtland Sudden, they probably can't wait
on Zach Allen. They're gonna probably try to wait on JFM.
We've talked about that, so we don't.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Want to wait on Zach Allen.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Uh, he's sort of defensive captain guy. You I mean,
you do you want to keep him happy?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
You want?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I mean, he had a great season last year.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I'm just telling you, man, Like, it's there's a there's
a vocal presence he has in the locker room. There's
a there's a presence when he's in there that, at
least from me as a media member that I noticed. Okay,
you've been into eleven, would you know.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
I'm just you know, that's why you spell. I want
to I want to throw this out there. That's poppy cock.
But I'm not saying that about him. I'm just saying that. No, Like,
it's very hard for a member of the media just
being in the locker room for twenty minutes to can
feel on who the leader of the team is. Now.
What I will say though, is that he is a
(25:04):
hell of a player. But I feel like everybody has
their own different type of voice on that team. You know,
what I mean, like Zach Allen is a hell of
a player, plays to run very well, plays a pass
very well. But it happened and that's why I'm saying
they all work well together. All this kind of came
together when they put these pieces together. That when they
(25:27):
when they brought JFM and you know what I mean,
Nick Benito started hitting his ceiling. Let's started, you know,
doing his assent, and then Jonathan Cooper started doing better too.
That's when Zach Allen really got into this last year
of being that dominant player that he was this last year.
So it's it's a mix of everybody together working And
that's the thing what I was trying to say earlier.
(25:48):
When you have this many pieces, you have to be
able to They're gonna get free, They're gonna get lose
because you can't double team everybody. Well.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
With John Gooper Dave thirteen and a half per that's
a steal for what he does for this team.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I love that contract.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I think I think he's I mean, I think he's
a really good player and a guy that fits the
locker room, fits the culture. Fit's exactly what the coaches
are trying to teach some of the young guys sets
great example on the field off the field. I mean,
he's he's a first class guy. And I you know,
(26:26):
I think they I mean Jonathan Cooper, you know, his
career didn't get off to the kind of start so
that he wanted. So for Jonathan Cooper to be able
to sign that deal, right, I mean, I think both
the Broncos and Coop benefited.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
No doubt, it's been a linebackers.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
They did the linebacker top ten list today, Fred Warner
of course, in a category all by himself, Roquan Smith,
so on and so forth. Our guy, Frey Greenlaw made
it in the top ten, even coming off an injured season. Yeah,
he made it in the top seed.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
He's number nine out.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
The question I guess I have trying not to sound
too snarky with this, but the question I have is
that more of an indication of what the linebacker position is,
the off ball linebacker position is, or is that more
of an indication of how good Dray Green liaes.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
I I hadn't thought about that. My guess would be
more of an indication of what kind of player Dray Green.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Liaes when he's when he's healthy.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
You know, I said it was out to one of
the OTAs and we walked out on the field and
Dre obviously wasn't practicing, but he was in gear and
came out with his helmet and walked as close to
Shelby is to me, A it's just a different it's
(27:46):
a different look. I mean, it's like, Okay, I do
believe that's probably what you want your inside linebacker to
look like. I know he's not playing. I know he's
had some injury issues, but I'm just telling you when
he went, he puts on pads and he plays with
He plays with a real sort of fervor that I
(28:07):
enjoy watching and just appreciated guy that plays with that
kind of motor and his intent. I mean, he's got
I think Drake Greenlaw and I thought this when he
was in San Francisco too, He's got a little old
school play to him in that he tries to make
a statement when he hits you. A lot of guys
(28:28):
are just trying to tackle you, and I get that
he's trying to knock the taste out of your mouth.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
So I think Bronco fans will really enjoy his play.
He would easily be a top ten linebacker. It's just
a matter of, like Dave said, being healthy, you know,
and that's just the question mark that is going to
ride with him until he proves they can stay healthy.
And because the guy is a hell of a player.
And this is you know, Fed Warner was a big
part of that San Fran team with Drake Greenlaw. You
(28:55):
saw the drop off when he wasn't around and that
san fand I hate to say it, but they might
they might have won that super Bowl if he doesn't
get hurt, you know, like he's he was that big
of a part of that defense. And so it says,
we'll see. But I'm a big believer of you know,
you got to prove of me you can stay healthy,
because honestly, I think it could just be. Uh, sometimes
(29:19):
it's genetic. Sometimes people are just more prone to get hurt,
as we see it. Sometimes people aren't. But yeah, but
some just it just comes in bunches, and hopefully.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
So she sometimes people are it's just he says, it's
just genetic.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Is that is that a thread or a promise?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
No, I just think I worry about when we walk
out of here together. From time to time, I worry
about your back.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Well, you know from Kerry in the show, I could understand.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
What did you just say that? But I do follow
you in Shelby I'm talking about headgear.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Well I was.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
I was like, which will Well, what tends to happen
is we're talking like we'll be in break and he's
wandering over that, and I was like, oh, you know,
we'll just continue our conversation. And I'm talking to I'm
talking with him, and then we get to the bathroom
door and one.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Of these flush and leave after I wash my hands.
It's like when your kid follows to the bathroom, like
like I gotta go number two to the okay, yeah,
just keep talking and they'd just be like okay and
just sit there staring, and I'm like that means you
gotta go. You got you go, right They're like, no,
I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
When you when you when you when you go poo poop?
You don't have family members in the bathroom with you
or do you.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Don't have time?
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I'm not a social Uh no, better that's better.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Better that way, that's better.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Well, I mean listen, if you if you told me, hey, Ryan,
I need you, I need you to get out of here.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
You know, then it'd be fine.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
No, when when you're in like, uh, this wouldn't be public.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
We're in a studio and then we're able to go
to the restroom during breaks. I mean, you're not going
to tell one of your co workers who happens to
sidle up to the stall next to you, like, what
are you doing?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
I don't talk to you while we're at the stall. Well,
actually I did what I was going to say. It's
not really my memory, but that.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
And was talking.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, that's that's me. That's me, you know, as far
as guy code goes, that was that's me.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
I got to learn there's no need to make eye
contact in the bathroom when talking. I mean normally when
you talk to somebody, you like to look him dead
in the eyes, But if you're in the stall next
to him, it's not necessary. Where else am I supposed
to look you looking straight ahead or down? Yeah, to
be disappointed and get out of the bathroom.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Oh gosh, that.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Set you up for that by right up there with
Rick yesterday with the what was that the Breeders cup?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Oh yeah, that was that was a classic instant class.
We're talking about Antono Commarti.
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Oh wow, we doesn't even have to be cued in.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
It's like, oh wow, well starting with Philip.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Rivers and then we then not in the Antonio Cromarti,
I mean, yeah, ten kids with one wife.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Well, it is the fact that Antonio Commarti has some
kids very close to some age.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
He's got fourteen what do we say, fourteen with eight women?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Fourteen? I feel them can't get held down.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, is missus Harris listening right now? I don't know
if that's the I don't know if that's the angle
you take as a married man, but I love that's right, that's.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Right, that's right.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
So one thing I do want to get to. You're
talking about players that are often injured. And I saw
a stad about the Broncos running twelve personnel, which is
two tight ends to wide receivers, one running back. I
saw a stat that Sean Payton ran that the fewest
amount in like five years, like since twenty twenty last season,
and I started to wonder if part of that is
(33:06):
because Greg Dulsage didn't pan out the way the Broncos
ultimately planned on.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
Absolutely, I mean, if you have shown the inclination based
on those numbers to be a twelve personnel guy at
least a significant percentage of your plays, and then all
of a sudden that number drops. It's pretty clear you
don't really like your tight ends and you like your
wide receivers more in terms of what they can do.
(33:33):
The Dulstage thing was crazy to me. You know, I'm
not sure that Dulsage doesn't have a good season in
New York because his athletic ability, he takes a backseat
to nobody in terms of how he runs for a
big athlete. Now staying healthy and being a willing blocker
and get little grit and what you sit on and
(33:55):
have a little toughness to you. I don't know about
that with him, just in terms of athletically speaking, that
guy for a big guy can go.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, I think what you actually have to realize and
I think, you know, going back to your point of
you saying twelve personnel was the least Shine has ran.
It's called him actually being smart and being like, I
don't have the guys. I'm not going to keep putting
people in positions to fail, So I'm going to fix
I'm gonna change my offense. It kind of goes to
(34:26):
the argument we were having last week about you know,
play callers, quarterbacks, amount of stuff of He realized his
offense that he wanted to run wouldn't work with the
personnel that they had, so he had to adjust his
offense to fit really the team, and that's how look
what happened playoffs
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