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Speaker 1 (00:00):
God, Dave Tepper was in here killing me following you
into the bathroom, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Yeah, the boss, he actually listened to it, and he
agreed in terms of being in the bathroom means sometimes
you just want to go in, do your business, wash
your hands, and get.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Back to work.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
Yeah. I'm one of the main ones that I'll sit
on the toilet for.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
That's not like here, not.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
No, but like no, like sometimes it's just like five
extra minutes when you're home, Yes, to get peace away
from my children.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Or at work with the if I'm at because your
wife's listened to you.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Never want any time away from her, that's what you know,
just a several times in the break never just just.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
The kids, you know, get a break from the kids
for a second.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Old listening to you know, just they can't whoop him.
So that's what it is. I like the confession. That
was great. Sometimes I just escape from my family.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Yeah, and my wife does it too, daughter does it too.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Here here here's the good question, I think, based on
your affinity for social media, how many times, in all seriousness,
when you sit down on the pot to do your
business do you do so without your cell phone?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Pretty much?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Never?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
My wife would never go without it, I can honestly say,
and I hope you're listening stuff in there. I hope
you're listening.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
She is.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
She would never she would never go to the bathroom
of her phone. And so the oldest, the oldest would
never go to the bathroot kind of be comes to
have it. I mean, I take mine too, Yeah, I
take mine too. But then, honestly, sometimes it's way more
relaxing if you just don't even have your phone. It's
going into your business relaxing.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, what does that even mean?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
You're ooping? This more comes up?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Okay, how do you know? I hesitate to ask how
you measure that? But I don't even want to know.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Do you use one of those? Do you use one
of those.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Days?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
No? Well no, so that's obviously like huge a lot
of different countries. But I'm talking about the the squatty
potty step stool. Yeah, I do not step stool. It's
also use it, you know, it opens it up a
little more.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, you haven't seen that where your your knees and
it's hard to describe without.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I have no idea what the actual hell are you
talking about? Saudy potty? I do not use it. But
I do have a familure over that does. So she
has told me who is about it?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Not?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
No, no, So you can't name your family member's name
because it's like uncool to have a cool squatty potty
whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I don't want to be talking about their business like
that on the air.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So I will just say that I have a family
that was telling me about it, and I said, no,
I don't think I'm ready for that.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
So you you step, I'm being dead.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
And your legs go up on it?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, your legs they still sit on.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
You sit on a toilet and just put your legs up.
It's just a little you know, almost like a female
and a guy of collogists got one.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Amazing. It's hard to go without it though you're you're
like sixteen years old? Are you tell me you need
help the poop? Just make like Shelby said, easier. It
helps the process.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
What's it called, squatty patty? Squatty potty? All right, listen,
I'm getting online. I know what to give Dave for
his birthday, right, Yeah, you know Amazon Prime.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I think we're in prime day still. I can order
it for you if.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Okay, you give me that and I'll get both of
you the enema equipment. Oh my goodness, gracious, I.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Don't really have well, I guess you don't need a
squatty potty. If you have that, it cures a lot.
That's a great.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Regular. On one text a text FIM said, the bathroom
is the only place I get to catch up on
my emails.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And that is yes, because you can find some solace
in your in your bathroom at home. You can go
in there, shut the door, lock the door, and then
nobody can come in and get now, you know, kids
and all that.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
But somebody says Ryan is the type of guy that
wants to shake hands in the bathroom.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
No, I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
He didn't do that.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
What is that an eminem? Just like me? I think
the eminem music video the dude follow him in the bathroom,
tried to shake his hands and them just like sitting
there like I haven't even washed my hands yet.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Messed up.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
No, I would never do that, And I think it's
really one time we were in the middle of a conversation,
you went in and I followed you.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
There's a one less time. I'm going to take the fifth.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I can't remember, Okay, that's probably appropriate.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The yeah, want to follow the conversation we're just having
about Greg dulcig the Broncos office dis struggle early in
the season.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Do you think I had anything to do with it?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
The fact that what Sean Payton wants to be able
to do he was not able to do, and he
sort of had to feel out what this iteration of
the offense was going to be without running twelve personnel.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I do think there's a learning curve, even for NFL
head coaches, guys that have done it and done it
successfully for a number of years. I think every single
year is different. You can have similar players but you
find out a little bit about them as the season opens,
and you couple that with a rookie quarterback that you
can watch.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Him on film.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
You can love him.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
They obviously did. They drafted him twelfth and had a
good camp named me the starter. But you're still, you know,
you're not sure how much can I give him this early?
Do I need to protect him? Probably?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So how do I do that?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Which limits at times sort of the personnel substitutions. So yeah,
there's I think there's a feeling out process for even again,
really successful NFL head coaches that.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Are play callers.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
It's a feel out process for every team because no
matter what you did last year, you got to go
out there and replicate it the next year. You know,
we've all seen one hit, you know, one season wonders
in the NFL. Some guys have come out here having
a great year and then can't do it again. So
it's a feeling our process. And then you know what
the good coaches will do is, you know, after you
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feel it out, you make changes. And that's what Sean
Payton did. Now the bad coaches you feel it out,
and you can't feeling it out and just let it ride,
you know. So, like I said before, you have to
give Sean Payton some credit because, like you said, the
often started off terrible. You know, they did not start
off good, and he found a way to kind of
tweak it a little bit just to make it that
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they actually started scoring some points. Now, the run game
was still a problem, and until they think that, that's
that's why I feel like there's so much hype and
so much you know, optimism about the Broncos offense, because
if they actually get the run game going, this guy's
the limit.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
See I completely agree with you.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And that was kind of another point I kind of
added on here with the rundown is that not only
was maybe they were filling out process at the beginning,
but you didn't have the benefit of being able to
lean on a lot of things in the run game
that and in fact that never really came together you
figured out more about your wide receivers because also another
factor is Josh Reynolds ended up getting hurt and then
he was of course not even available for the rest
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of the season.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
They ended up moving on.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
But there's that, But it'd be one thing to say, well,
we're figuring out our receivers and there's a lot of
youth here, and you know, we can lean on our
run game if you had, say a Saquon Barkley, you
had one of those top tier guys, but you just
never had that, you know, at any point in the season.
You never had that, So you had to lean on
your rookie quarterback. And that's what you're going to have
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early on in the season. You're going to have some
inconsistencies because of that.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I think yes to all those points. I think we
we've talked about that. I mean, I've talked about it
a lot on the show. I think, again, when you
go back and look at every game the Broncos played
last year, the running back room left some yards on
the field, no doubt about that. And I think that
that's why it was addressed in the manner that it was.
You go out and sign JK. Dobbins, You go out
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and draft r J. Henry, r J Hunter, r J Harvey,
entered Harvey, RJ.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Harvey. So you got JK and RJ.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And you hope that that room and somebody else is
one of those guys that is currently there is going
to surface and have a really good camp.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Is that Jaliel?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
They already kind of know what Jaliel's skill set is.
Is that oddric estimate? That's to me, he's kind of
the wild card guy. Power back.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
He's got to get.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I think he's got to improve a little bit in
his his quickness and awareness.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
But powerful young guy for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I mean, you go back and look and went the
other night and looked at the what game was at
the Kansas City game in Kansas City, he played a bunch,
He was good a bunch and had had some nice
had had a fifteen yard run callback on a holding
call that I'm not sure it was a holding call,
But so one of those guys will surface. But it's
going to be I think it's going to be R. J.
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Harvey and it's going to be JK. Dobbs job to lose.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
You wanted to ask us something, Shelby, what is that?
Speaker 4 (08:55):
All right? Guys? So my my biggest question, I guess
when it comes to the Broncos, and you know this
is I don't have necessarily the answer. I have an opinion.
Do you think this twenty twenty five Broncos team as
it is now, we have no additions, no subtractions. Is
this team built for the injuries that occurred throughout throughout
the season.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I have an opinion, but that you well, let's hear it.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I do.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Let's hear it, Yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I think they they believe they have not solved injury
issues that have happened in the past with this team,
but they believe in their processes and they believe, Hey,
we can bring in guys that have had injury history
like Drake Greenlaw and Talanoa Hufanga and Evan Ingram and
we can get more out of these players than other
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teams too. It's kind of like Sean said with quarterback
a few years ago, where he said, or it was
a couple years ago, he said, so we can scout
quarterbacks better than other people.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
There's just there's an arrogance, there's an ego to that.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And I think that they have the same opinion about
the way that they approach injuries and preventing them.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
So is that yes, yes, do you think.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
They can withstand? And if I'm saying if people do
get hurt, not necessarily like the idea of, oh, we're
going to keep them healthy if injuries do occur, Does
this Bronco team have to death? I canna tell you
one position they don't. Offensive line. I was just about
to say, gif Garrett Boles goes down, the season is
completely different. So other than all like, does this team
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have to death to compete still at certain positions, they don't.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I mean I think that.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I think you could make the case that that applies
to all thirty two teams. It would depends on what position. Right,
I think they're in better shape this year in the
running back room to sustain an injury. You know, you
don't want anything to happen obviously, the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
But you could say the same thing for about half
the league.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
About receiver. If Courtland Sudden goes down, we're good. What
you're You're good. No, I'm worried if Courtland Sudden goes down.
I'm worried because he's your true vet.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
You know in the league, young ride receivers are a wishy,
washy one game they have a great game, you know,
you know what it is these young a lot of
young ride receivers in this game. Yeah, they're they're they're splat.
They have a splash play here or there. But it's
very hard to learn. You have to learn how to
be consistent in the NFL. It's it's it's you got
to learn how to be a pro. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I don't know. I think I think if Evan Ingram.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Goes down, that's a real bad thing, right, I think
I think they've got some depth on the defensive line.
You don't want to see anybody get hurt. But yeah,
that's that's an issue. So that's an issue.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
So it seems like pretty much half the positions, if
somebody's to go down, they don't really have somebody to
replace them. No, not half linebacker, yeap.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Offensive line, offensive line. But even think you have Alex
Polchwski and Matt Parents, I.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Think they won a gage with Alex Pelchwski last year
started to write tacking this show.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
On YouTube and you know they lost it. That Kansas
City game got lost because of him too.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
But you know we're not going to put that's a
different deal. That was a special teams play and that
was it. That was bad coaching. They fired all those coaches,
do they not?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yeah? I guess so. But what I'm saying is I'll
just be a little worried and I we might maybe
looking at and some veteran pieces that you know, could
come in there and play. If something goes happen in
Dre green Law, or you have two linebackers coming off injuries,
Alex Singleton, Andre Greenlaw, you gotta go add.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
A linebacker safety would be maybe the other one that
if I'm really concerned.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Being you know, being the guy, the rotating. I believe
in PJ.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
We talked to him last week.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Man, he's coming off of he's doing he's trying to
do something that no NFL player has ever done before.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
He has his spine fused and he's trying to play,
so you got to revise that. No, I'm rolling with it.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I think they could add an offensive lineman right that.
That wouldn't surprise me. If Kevin Flyman maybe the last
cut a team has to let somebody go, veteran guy go, Yeah,
that that would make sense to me. The inside linebacker
thing is interesting. You know, Justin Strnad played a lot there.
I think I think they much again my opinion, they
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much prefer him on special teams as opposed to playing
too many reps. I thought he played pretty well early
when he got in.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
He started.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
He started in the Jets game because Singleton got hurt
game one in Seattle, so the next week they're back
in New York. And I thought he played pretty well.
In fact, he might have had a sack in the
first play of the game. But you know, players that
are not accustomed to playing, and this is not a
shot at Justin. If you play them a certain amount
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of plays, you're gonna get, you're gonna get quality minutes.
But the more that you play them, the harder it
is for a guy who's not been used to playing
very much. Is whatever weaknesses that player has, and every
player has them. Those things get exposed because you have
more reps, you have more tape for teams to look
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at and say, here's how we attack that. And I
thought there were some I thought there were some holes
in the Broncos linebacker play down the stretch that were
pretty glaring.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I mean, even if Aaron ro you're all fairness, if
you get a fair and Rodgers have seen him, I
don't know if he can escape justin sad. You're gonna
give just to see Aaron Rodgers twice a year coming
up here, this final season of his career.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I hope.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
So you never know in the league, justinternad or not,
because I've been told both ways.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Sod it. I got to look it up.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I thought it was I thought it was I thought
it was Straanad. But I was told Stanad. Okay, Straad.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I guess there's something.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Maybe just to ask hims next week, somebody agrees with
you on the text line here, shall he's right, Siranad
is really he's not really bad.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
He's not really bad, though he's not he's not he's
not bad. I don't think Shelby said that. I didn't
say that those words. Shall we say that No, I
did not.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I just said I'd be worried about the deaths. That's it. Yeah,
that's it. That's not necessarily his chances or not. But
like after him, who and then Drew Sanders, who has
no real game experience, they like him and they like you.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I like your size, athletic ability. I mean, he's gonna
he's gonna get a lot of opportunity. I think in
camp inside.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
It reminds me what they're doing with Drew Sanders, what
they were trying to do with Baron Browning, where they
couldn't quite figure out what they liked about his game.
You know, like he Hey, he's got a lot of
skill set, as you mentioned, a lot of athleticism and
certainly going down hill it looks amazing.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I mean, he had a sack last year where he
got there in a hiccup. But he can run. He
can run, He's an athlete. He's got great, great size.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
But there's a and again you guys can tell me
where and I would know this, but to play off
the ball linebacker is a lot, obviously a lot more
than just going downhill. You've you've got to have some
intelligence to it, right, You've got to have some nuance.
You gotta you gotta be able to read what the
defense is doing, otherwise you can get caught flat footed.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Am I wrong about that?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I think you're right. I honestly have not seen enough
of him to know whether he has all of that
or not. And I think in the NFL, you identify
two or three things the player does well, and you
try to put him into situations that allow for those
things to materialize, and then you work on the couple
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of things that he doesn't do as well, But you
never get to the point where you expect him to
do those couple of things as well as the two
or three things.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
That he really does well. If you've got a guy
that does four or five.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Things really, really well, then you're paying him a buttload
of money and he's probably headed for the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Man. I just it's just so much that these teams,
they say they believe in or die, and they believe
in this, but we all know the minute that's something
that happens, they don't go get somebody. And that's just
kind of the reality of the league is. You know,
it's hard to really, you know, believe in young guys
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when you're in to put the performance based business. You know,
we need the results, you know what I mean. And
that's the hard part about the NFL. You want to
give the young guys a chance to show, But how
long is that leash because if you start losing games
because he missed an assignment here or just wasn't as
good of a run run defender here. Now now you like,
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all right, well, this this little project is over. You
and I both know that that you're right.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
But the answer to your rhetorical question, it is it
depends on what position and where that.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Dude was drafting.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Depends on where that guy was drafting. Your first round pick,
you get all the chances in the world's going to
get two, three, four opportunities. Perfect example is that a
guy that you know we were talking about doing break before,
Gary Boles, like a guy who struggled early in his
career and figured it out. Yea other if people were
drafted and if he was drafting a different place, I
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believe he would have got benched and he would never
have seen the potential that he had. But since he
was their first round pick, they're like, we got We're
going to let this ride out and look what happened.
He turned into a Pro Bowl player and.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Now he holds the record for most starts at left
tackle in franchise history.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Isn't that crazy? So does that make him? Is he?
Is it gonna be a Ring of Famer?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Well that so you're you're leading down the path of
where we were talking about.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
And I started to wonder when I saw that stat
earlier today because he passed Ryan Claty, who started ninety eight.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
So he just got pasted Ryan Claty.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
That's, at that time for me, was the franchise's best
left tackle of all time in my opinion, writing Ryan Claty,
if somebody would have asked me, just point blank, who
do you think is the best left tackle of all
time in the franchise? Said Ryan Claty, I started to wonder.
I was like, Okay, well they just signed a new
contract extension. He's going to play for another three years,
if not more. At what point do we start talking
about Garrett Bowles as a Bronco great.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Does he need more accolades? Does he need more Pro Bowls?
All pros? Does he need more championships?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I think I think public sentiment, I think Garrett would
suffer from there was a stretch of time with his
play that he had. He had a buttload of holding calls,
right and you're out there sort of by yourself, and
the NFL identifies which players get called for holding. And
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I think I think there was a time, and I
think Shelby alluded to it where a lot of people
were ready for him to go elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
But to his credit, he's battled back.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
And I mean, maybe maybe there's fans that still have
question marks and maybe they don't like him, but he
he's a good play I mean, he's he is a
good player at left tackle. Now in terms of whether
or not he's going to be like a Ring of
Fame player or what was your hypothetical, like a great
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one of.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Them, you know, a Bronco great, beloved Bronco like when
we talk about the best offensive tackles, I mean, of
course he's Zimmerman's a Hall of Famer, Ken Lanier is
one of those guys. I think Tony Jones. You know,
we could go down the list of really great offensive
tackles here.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
So what of all the and I agree with all
the guys you just mentioned, what.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Of all those guys, I'm sure they have more than
one one similar trait, but I can think of one
trait that would apply to Gary Zimmerman, Tony Jones, Ryan Clady,
what you mentioned, Kenny Lanier. Kenny was a great player. Yeah,
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their person that they didn't they didn't say very much,
you know, they didn't put themselves out there in the media.
In fact, just the opposite. I mean, nobody really knew.
I mean, like Gary Zimmermann, nobody really knew, and he
wasn't here very long. Great great player, but nobody outside
that locker room really knew much about zim Just really
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really quiet player.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Kenny Lanier pretty much the same.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I think his teammates loved him, Garus, I mean Matt
Lepsis in a similar way. I mean, Garrett Bowles has
not been that way, Garrett, Garrett Boles has been out there, right,
and so when you're out there, you know you're gonna
have some people that are like, what the actual hell
are you talking about? So that I mean, he's he's
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got a different personality, which has opened the doors from
time to time for him to receive criticism based on
his play.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
To his credit, he really didn't care, you know what
I mean, he didn't let it affect him too much.
He went out there and just kept working. And that's
why I always have to always bring up the Garrett
story because it's a story of perseverance, you know what
I mean, as in all the Tolden calls literally the
minute the flag came out, because it's here holding boo boo,
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and you know, it's just for him to be able
to get past that and then have the longevity that
he has had in Denver, like man nuts, it deserves
some recognition, just agree, because he's really been a staple
and he's playing good football.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
He's one of he's one of my.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I mean this should matter in the discussion, but he's
one of my favorite current players.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
He's just he's a good dude. Well also him and
Corlin I played with, so those are my guys, you
know what I mean. And PJ. I love PJ. That's
why I stick up for PJ.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, but I think we have this conversation about what
he is now and what at the end of his career,
assuming he stays with the Broncos for the entirety of it,
which he'll continue to be a left tackle, who can
he'll hold that record for being the longest tenured left
tackle in franchise history. It's one of the most import
positions in football. I mean, it was historically, has been.
Now I think we're starting to recognize that right tackle
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needs to be a very good position too, because everybody's
got pass rushers. But left tackle historically is one of
the highest paid, most invested in positions. And here's the
guy that's played his entire career at that position.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
And you're right.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
You know, he's a first rounder, so he had a chance,
and probably more chances early on than maybe a mid
draft pick would have.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
But you're right. He hung in there and he kept
doing it.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
And they did bring in some guys eventually to test
and to push him a little bit.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
They didn't early on.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
And that was always an interesting discussion in Sports Soccer
Radio LAMB because it was like, Okay, well, Garret Bowles
has struggled this last year, We're going to bring it.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
But no, no, no, they like him there. They're not
pushing him.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
And it wasn't until later, but he kept He just
got his third contract with the team, just got another contract.
And honestly, I didn't hear anybody in town, David. I
don't know if you heard anybody in town.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I hear anybody in town saying that was a bad idea.
It had to happen. Yeah, I mean really like almost.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Everybody I heard from was saying, well, then that's great
because now you don't have to go into free agency
or the draft again. So I don't know, man, I
I just think there's a certain amount of what he
is today, and then if you fast forward three years
from now, adds a few more accolades, maybe they add
another championship in the mix, you know, this year, and
then I don't know, maybe why did you.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Give you some not the Cleveland Brown's have something to
say about it. Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah, you know, like George, I'm not talking about the
toilet baby, were about to do this.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
It's like George Castanzas says, you know, it's not a lie.
If you believe it, still can.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Make it a lie.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Make it a lie. No, it's a lie. That's simple.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
It's a lie.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
You know what I would tell most of my kids,
never hear that it's not a lie.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Do you believe it?
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:56):
No kids ever hear that you are fake? Is I've
told my kids that. I say, it's not life. If
you believe it. Okay, Uh jesus, do you actually believe that.
I think there's a lot of people that talk to
themselves into that. No, I do not believe that, thank you, right.
I just think but my kids get it. My kids
get my sense of humor, Thank goodness, I hope. So, yeah,
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I was gonna say now that I say that, allow,
they're probably listening like not really.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Wait, They're like, wait, you didn't mean that.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, I've been living my whole life like this. Anyways,
It's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
And so back to your point about positions on the
Broncos that you really couldn't afford to lose that, Yeah,
I do think that the drop off from starters to
backups most of the time is significant. Across the board.
There's a couple of positions that they're staying at. They
added to them in free agency and draft, but once again,
there's no guarantee whatsoever those guys can come in and
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have the same kind of production.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Well, is this also very interesting? And then it will
be interesting to see during camp, you know, just once
again how the young guys, the draft picks and you know,
last year's draft picks kind of integrate with this team.
And figure out their roles within this team and who
will be the surprise guy that kind of jump somebody
because it's always one you know, manly drive a camp
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but a surprise guy that play is playing so good
they have to find a way to put them.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
On the field. Somebody's like, Ryan's shame on you.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Your kids are going to remember that, They're going to
use that against you. That's why I just have to
have them watch Seinfeld and then they understand the references.
This is pop culture stuff. You know, you pop culture
stuff all the time around your kids. Man, as long
as they understand the reference awards coming from, then you're good.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Nobody under the age of forty I consistently watched Seinfeld
Sidefeld's awesome, and you know it's funny. I always say
it's to show that doesn't have a point. That's the
beauty of it. It's like South Park. Well, so this show, Yeah,
sometimes we talk about bathroom breaks.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Marble, how that show is able to not only sustain
the success that it did, but also even just come about,
Like you're pitching that show and you're like, it's just
about everyday things.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah, what were you guys leading to it? I don't know,
we have no idea.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
We're just follow these narcissistic people around New York and
see what happens.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Was there ever, actually like a do the episodes actually
go together?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah? Yeah they do.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
And you had Jerry Seinfeld and at the time was
you know, it was pretty much a genius as a
writer and a guy that could do all sorts of
commedy and and he had a great he had a
great supporting cast as well.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
So Seinfelder Curb, which one's better?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I love Curb.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I do too.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I think I like Larry David.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Well, Larry David was very much involved in Seinfeld, So
there's elements of that show. But Larry David is is
you know, first it's not for everybody, but the humor,
the sense of humor that he has and how he
expresses it, I find hilarious.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
I gotta go Curb are Like, that's not even the question.
Curb your enthusiasm is oh good? One of the one
of the funniest shows. I still look at clips to
this day, you know, random random clips to this day
that just pop up on Instagram whatever, and it still
makes me lack laugh, like I've never seen them before.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
That's one of the greatest.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I oftentimes would watch that as I'm kind of winding
down for the night, Like my wife and I'll watch
her show together, and then she wants to fall asleep,
so I'll watch something that I have more interested in.
And that's how, you know, I got through the Sopranos
and all sorts of shows, and I got through Curb
like that. And there'd be sometimes I'm laughing so hard
i wake her up and I'm like, I'm so sorry,
but you I'm gonna rewind this. She's like, it's it's
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midnight for trying out loud. I'm like, no, no, no, no,
this was awesome. You have to see this, and I'm
going to reference it tomorrow at breakfast and you're gonna
know one another's reference.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
And then you were telling me. She looks at you
and says, get in bed, Ryan, and that's the end.
That was the end of that. Yeah, my gosh.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
You know, you know, your wife must be a saint,
because if I woke my wife up by laughing at
twelve o'clock and was just like, hey, I remember winding
as he watches, she would have been like, get out
of the room.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Well, you know, Yah, you're right. Ryan wasn't in the room. Yeah,
it was down.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
It is so good though I love Kurbs great five six, six, nineys.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
There was our ka common spirit Hill text line. One
thing I do want to get to and maybe we
ought to talk about this.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
On the other stide, we have Thomas Harding joining us,
kind of wrapping up the Rockies first half and what
they did in the draft, and we'll come.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Back to this conversation. One thing that was I was
interested in.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
From a player's perspective is we have training camp on
the other side, and oftentimes media members and fans they
get excited about certain things. But I want to know
from the players side of things if it's a big
deal or not a big deal. So, for example, when
you see the offense struggling early on, I think sometimes
we get into I go, oh boy, the offense is
in for a bad season.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Is that a big dealer or not a big deal.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
If you see a quarterback tearing up a defense during
skeleton during sevens does that mean anything?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
So what's it?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I'll start with you, Dave. What what would you say
when I say, hey, the offense is struggling early on?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
In training camp. Is it a big deal or not a.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Big I've every time you've said that, I've hated it
because I think you can draw no valid conclusions based
on what you see from a from any particular drill
during training camp, because you don't know exactly what they're
trying to accomplish in that drill. They may they may
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from time to time for the quarterback be trying to
put him in situations where you know he's he's got
to either check out of something or he's got to
see different.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Sorts of coverages.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I honestly, and I think you can tell when when
two teams work against each other. I think you can
tell a little bit when they run nine on seven
like the Inside Run game. The run fits are important,
pad level and those things. I do think seven on
seven at times from a seven on seven is set
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up really for the offense to be better.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
It just is so you can tell a little bit
of a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
You can tell in terms of his accuracy as long
as you know what the receivers are trying to run.
But I just to me, you can't draw any really
significant conclusions until you see him work against another team
in a controlled practice and I do think from time
to time, based on which units are playing. In a
preseason game, you can tell a little bit about a
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few things there.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
I think that really you can't see until a preseason
game and then even then maybe to the season, just
because especially with a offense and a quarterback, there's no
threat of getting hit and that will and like it
always takes me back to the Sam Darnold, I'm seeing ghosts.
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You don't get that feeling in practice. You will never
get that feeling in practice, even in joint practices, you
will never get hit, and if you do, it's going
to be all out brawl, you know what I mean.
So in that aspect, getting hit as a part of
the game, being able to stand in the pocket and
deliver passes as a part of the game. And so
for offenses, I feel like it's a big deal, especially
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for the run game, you're not really getting full strained
until the game, and so until that game, until preseason game,
because I don't care if people say preseason or not.
If you go off there you're trying to embarrass a
person in front of you, because we're not just out
here just to waste time. Like once you get into
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groove of things. It's always fighting preseason. Once you get
into groove of things and like all right, your places off,
you're like no, no, no, let me get one more series.
And it's like no, no, no. You know, got to
get the young guys from But that's why I'm a
big believer of you won't be able to tell until
those preseason games when those guys are actually getting hit.
It's live bullets. And that's just because that's football. You
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can't have to ass football. It has to be a
full sweet thing and only from both sides of the ball.
So the only way you get that is in a
game a game setting.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Okay, so we'll come back.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
We're gonna check out with Thomas Harding, just get some
thoughts on the Rockies first half and what they did
in the draft. But I do want to ask you
on the other side of that, So what is a
big deal you guys basically told me, Hey, a lot
of the stuff you can miss. I want to know
what you do think, what you as players think is
a big deal coming on of training Campbell get to
that next
God, Dave Tepper was in here killing me following you
into the bathroom, you know.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Yeah, the boss, he actually listened to it, and he
agreed in terms of being in the bathroom means sometimes
you just want to go in, do your business, wash
your hands, and get.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Back to work.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
Yeah. I'm one of the main ones that I'll sit
on the toilet for.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
That's not like here, not.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
No, but like no, like sometimes it's just like five
extra minutes when you're home, Yes, to get peace away
from my children.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Or at work with the if I'm at because your
wife's listened to you.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Never want any time away from her, that's what you know,
just a several times in the break never just just.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
The kids, you know, get a break from the kids
for a second.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Old listening to you know, just they can't whoop him.
So that's what it is. I like the confession. That
was great. Sometimes I just escape from my family.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Yeah, and my wife does it too, daughter does it too.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Here here here's the good question, I think, based on
your affinity for social media, how many times, in all seriousness,
when you sit down on the pot to do your
business do you do so without your cell phone?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Pretty much?
Speaker 5 (01:17):
Never?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
My wife would never go without it, I can honestly say,
and I hope you're listening stuff in there. I hope
you're listening.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
She is.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
She would never she would never go to the bathroom
of her phone. And so the oldest, the oldest would
never go to the bathroot kind of be comes to
have it. I mean, I take mine too, Yeah, I
take mine too. But then, honestly, sometimes it's way more
relaxing if you just don't even have your phone. It's
going into your business relaxing.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, what does that even mean?
Speaker 4 (01:43):
You're ooping? This more comes up?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Okay, how do you know? I hesitate to ask how
you measure that? But I don't even want to know.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Do you use one of those? Do you use one
of those.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Days?
Speaker 4 (01:54):
No? Well no, so that's obviously like huge a lot
of different countries. But I'm talking about the the squatty
potty step stool. Yeah, I do not step stool. It's
also use it, you know, it opens it up a
little more.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, you haven't seen that where your your knees and
it's hard to describe without.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I have no idea what the actual hell are you
talking about? Saudy potty? I do not use it. But
I do have a familure over that does. So she
has told me who is about it?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Not?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
No, no, So you can't name your family member's name
because it's like uncool to have a cool squatty potty
whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I don't want to be talking about their business like
that on the air.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
So I will just say that I have a family
that was telling me about it, and I said, no,
I don't think I'm ready for that.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
So you you step, I'm being dead.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
And your legs go up on it?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Yeah, your legs they still sit on.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
You sit on a toilet and just put your legs up.
It's just a little you know, almost like a female
and a guy of collogists got one.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Amazing. It's hard to go without it though you're you're
like sixteen years old? Are you tell me you need
help the poop? Just make like Shelby said, easier. It
helps the process.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
What's it called, squatty patty? Squatty potty? All right, listen,
I'm getting online. I know what to give Dave for
his birthday, right, Yeah, you know Amazon Prime.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
I think we're in prime day still. I can order
it for you if.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Okay, you give me that and I'll get both of
you the enema equipment. Oh my goodness, gracious, I.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Don't really have well, I guess you don't need a
squatty potty. If you have that, it cures a lot.
That's a great.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Regular. On one text a text FIM said, the bathroom
is the only place I get to catch up on
my emails.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And that is yes, because you can find some solace
in your in your bathroom at home. You can go
in there, shut the door, lock the door, and then
nobody can come in and get now, you know, kids
and all that.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
But somebody says Ryan is the type of guy that
wants to shake hands in the bathroom.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
No, I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
He didn't do that.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
What is that an eminem? Just like me? I think
the eminem music video the dude follow him in the bathroom,
tried to shake his hands and them just like sitting
there like I haven't even washed my hands yet.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Messed up.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
No, I would never do that, And I think it's
really one time we were in the middle of a conversation,
you went in and I followed you.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
There's a one less time. I'm going to take the fifth.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I can't remember, Okay, that's probably appropriate.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
The yeah, want to follow the conversation we're just having
about Greg dulcig the Broncos office dis struggle early in
the season.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Do you think I had anything to do with it?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
The fact that what Sean Payton wants to be able
to do he was not able to do, and he
sort of had to feel out what this iteration of
the offense was going to be without running twelve personnel.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I do think there's a learning curve, even for NFL
head coaches, guys that have done it and done it
successfully for a number of years. I think every single
year is different. You can have similar players but you
find out a little bit about them as the season opens,
and you couple that with a rookie quarterback that you
can watch.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Him on film.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
You can love him.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
They obviously did. They drafted him twelfth and had a
good camp named me the starter. But you're still, you know,
you're not sure how much can I give him this early?
Do I need to protect him? Probably?
Speaker 3 (05:14):
So how do I do that?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Which limits at times sort of the personnel substitutions. So yeah,
there's I think there's a feeling out process for even again,
really successful NFL head coaches that.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Are play callers.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
It's a feel out process for every team because no
matter what you did last year, you got to go
out there and replicate it the next year. You know,
we've all seen one hit, you know, one season wonders
in the NFL. Some guys have come out here having
a great year and then can't do it again. So
it's a feeling our process. And then you know what
the good coaches will do is, you know, after you
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feel it out, you make changes. And that's what Sean
Payton did. Now the bad coaches you feel it out,
and you can't feeling it out and just let it ride,
you know. So, like I said before, you have to
give Sean Payton some credit because, like you said, the
often started off terrible. You know, they did not start
off good, and he found a way to kind of
tweak it a little bit just to make it that
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they actually started scoring some points. Now, the run game
was still a problem, and until they think that, that's
that's why I feel like there's so much hype and
so much you know, optimism about the Broncos offense, because
if they actually get the run game going, this guy's
the limit.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
See I completely agree with you.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
And that was kind of another point I kind of
added on here with the rundown is that not only
was maybe they were filling out process at the beginning,
but you didn't have the benefit of being able to
lean on a lot of things in the run game
that and in fact that never really came together you
figured out more about your wide receivers because also another
factor is Josh Reynolds ended up getting hurt and then
he was of course not even available for the rest
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of the season.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
They ended up moving on.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
But there's that, But it'd be one thing to say, well,
we're figuring out our receivers and there's a lot of
youth here, and you know, we can lean on our
run game if you had, say a Saquon Barkley, you
had one of those top tier guys, but you just
never had that, you know, at any point in the season.
You never had that, So you had to lean on
your rookie quarterback. And that's what you're going to have
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early on in the season. You're going to have some
inconsistencies because of that.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I think yes to all those points. I think we
we've talked about that. I mean, I've talked about it
a lot on the show. I think, again, when you
go back and look at every game the Broncos played
last year, the running back room left some yards on
the field, no doubt about that. And I think that
that's why it was addressed in the manner that it was.
You go out and sign JK. Dobbins, You go out
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and draft r J. Henry, r J Hunter, r J Harvey,
entered Harvey, RJ.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Harvey. So you got JK and RJ.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
And you hope that that room and somebody else is
one of those guys that is currently there is going
to surface and have a really good camp.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Is that Jaliel?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
They already kind of know what Jaliel's skill set is.
Is that oddric estimate? That's to me, he's kind of
the wild card guy. Power back.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
He's got to get.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I think he's got to improve a little bit in
his his quickness and awareness.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
But powerful young guy for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I mean, you go back and look and went the
other night and looked at the what game was at
the Kansas City game in Kansas City, he played a bunch,
He was good a bunch and had had some nice
had had a fifteen yard run callback on a holding
call that I'm not sure it was a holding call,
But so one of those guys will surface. But it's
going to be I think it's going to be R. J.
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Harvey and it's going to be JK. Dobbs job to lose.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
You wanted to ask us something, Shelby, what is that?
Speaker 4 (08:55):
All right? Guys? So my my biggest question, I guess
when it comes to the Broncos, and you know this
is I don't have necessarily the answer. I have an opinion.
Do you think this twenty twenty five Broncos team as
it is now, we have no additions, no subtractions. Is
this team built for the injuries that occurred throughout throughout
the season.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I have an opinion, but that you well, let's hear it.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I do.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Let's hear it, Yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
I think they they believe they have not solved injury
issues that have happened in the past with this team,
but they believe in their processes and they believe, Hey,
we can bring in guys that have had injury history
like Drake Greenlaw and Talanoa Hufanga and Evan Ingram and
we can get more out of these players than other
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teams too. It's kind of like Sean said with quarterback
a few years ago, where he said, or it was
a couple years ago, he said, so we can scout
quarterbacks better than other people.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
There's just there's an arrogance, there's an ego to that.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And I think that they have the same opinion about
the way that they approach injuries and preventing them.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
So is that yes, yes, do you think.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
They can withstand? And if I'm saying if people do
get hurt, not necessarily like the idea of, oh, we're
going to keep them healthy if injuries do occur, Does
this Bronco team have to death? I canna tell you
one position they don't. Offensive line. I was just about
to say, gif Garrett Boles goes down, the season is
completely different. So other than all like, does this team
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have to death to compete still at certain positions, they don't.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I mean I think that.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
I think you could make the case that that applies
to all thirty two teams. It would depends on what position. Right,
I think they're in better shape this year in the
running back room to sustain an injury. You know, you
don't want anything to happen obviously, the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
But you could say the same thing for about half
the league.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
About receiver. If Courtland Sudden goes down, we're good. What
you're You're good. No, I'm worried if Courtland Sudden goes down.
I'm worried because he's your true vet.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
You know.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
You know in the league, young ride receivers are a wishy,
washy one game they have a great game, you know,
you know what it is these young a lot of
young ride receivers in this game. Yeah, they're they're they're splat.
They have a splash play here or there. But it's
very hard to learn. You have to learn how to
be consistent in the NFL. It's it's it's you got
to learn how to be a pro. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I don't know. I think I think if Evan Ingram.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Goes down, that's a real bad thing, right, I think
I think they've got some depth on the defensive line.
You don't want to see anybody get hurt. But yeah,
that's that's an issue. So that's an issue.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
So it seems like pretty much half the positions, if
somebody's to go down, they don't really have somebody to
replace them. No, not half linebacker, yeap.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Offensive line, offensive line. But even think you have Alex
Polchwski and Matt Parents, I.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Think they won a gage with Alex Pelchwski last year
started to write tacking this show.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
On YouTube and you know they lost it. That Kansas
City game got lost because of him too.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
But you know we're not going to put that's a
different deal. That was a special teams play and that
was it. That was bad coaching. They fired all those coaches,
do they not?
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Yeah? I guess so. But what I'm saying is I'll
just be a little worried and I we might maybe
looking at and some veteran pieces that you know, could
come in there and play. If something goes happen in
Dre green Law, or you have two linebackers coming off injuries,
Alex Singleton, Andre Greenlaw, you gotta go add.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
A linebacker safety would be maybe the other one that
if I'm really concerned.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Being you know, being the guy, the rotating. I believe
in PJ.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
We talked to him last week.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Man, he's coming off of he's doing he's trying to
do something that no NFL player has ever done before.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
He has his spine fused and he's trying to play,
so you got to revise that. No, I'm rolling with it.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
I think they could add an offensive lineman right that.
That wouldn't surprise me. If Kevin Flyman maybe the last
cut a team has to let somebody go, veteran guy go, Yeah,
that that would make sense to me. The inside linebacker
thing is interesting. You know, Justin Strnad played a lot there.
I think I think they much again my opinion, they
(13:53):
much prefer him on special teams as opposed to playing
too many reps. I thought he played pretty well early
when he got in.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
He started.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
He started in the Jets game because Singleton got hurt
game one in Seattle, so the next week they're back
in New York. And I thought he played pretty well.
In fact, he might have had a sack in the
first play of the game. But you know, players that
are not accustomed to playing, and this is not a
shot at Justin. If you play them a certain amount
(14:24):
of plays, you're gonna get, you're gonna get quality minutes.
But the more that you play them, the harder it
is for a guy who's not been used to playing
very much. Is whatever weaknesses that player has, and every
player has them. Those things get exposed because you have
more reps, you have more tape for teams to look
(14:44):
at and say, here's how we attack that. And I
thought there were some I thought there were some holes
in the Broncos linebacker play down the stretch that were
pretty glaring.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
I mean, even if Aaron ro you're all fairness, if
you get a fair and Rodgers have seen him, I
don't know if he can escape justin sad. You're gonna
give just to see Aaron Rodgers twice a year coming
up here, this final season of his career.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I hope.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
So you never know in the league, justinternad or not,
because I've been told both ways.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Sod it. I got to look it up.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I thought it was I thought it was I thought
it was Straanad. But I was told Stanad. Okay, Straad.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I guess there's something.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Maybe just to ask hims next week, somebody agrees with
you on the text line here, shall he's right, Siranad
is really he's not really bad.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
He's not really bad, though he's not he's not he's
not bad. I don't think Shelby said that. I didn't
say that those words. Shall we say that No, I
did not.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I just said I'd be worried about the deaths. That's it. Yeah,
that's it. That's not necessarily his chances or not. But
like after him, who and then Drew Sanders, who has
no real game experience, they like him and they like you.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I like your size, athletic ability. I mean, he's gonna
he's gonna get a lot of opportunity. I think in
camp inside.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
It reminds me what they're doing with Drew Sanders, what
they were trying to do with Baron Browning, where they
couldn't quite figure out what they liked about his game.
You know, like he Hey, he's got a lot of
skill set, as you mentioned, a lot of athleticism and
certainly going down hill it looks amazing.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I mean, he had a sack last year where he
got there in a hiccup. But he can run. He
can run, He's an athlete. He's got great, great size.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
But there's a and again you guys can tell me
where and I would know this, but to play off
the ball linebacker is a lot, obviously a lot more
than just going downhill. You've you've got to have some
intelligence to it, right, You've got to have some nuance.
You gotta you gotta be able to read what the
defense is doing, otherwise you can get caught flat footed.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Am I wrong about that?
Speaker 4 (17:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
I think you're right. I honestly have not seen enough
of him to know whether he has all of that
or not. And I think in the NFL, you identify
two or three things the player does well, and you
try to put him into situations that allow for those
things to materialize, and then you work on the couple
(17:23):
of things that he doesn't do as well, But you
never get to the point where you expect him to
do those couple of things as well as the two
or three things.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
That he really does well. If you've got a guy
that does four or five.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Things really, really well, then you're paying him a buttload
of money and he's probably headed for the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Man. I just it's just so much that these teams,
they say they believe in or die, and they believe
in this, but we all know the minute that's something
that happens, they don't go get somebody. And that's just
kind of the reality of the league is. You know,
it's hard to really, you know, believe in young guys
(18:05):
when you're in to put the performance based business. You know,
we need the results, you know what I mean. And
that's the hard part about the NFL. You want to
give the young guys a chance to show, But how
long is that leash because if you start losing games
because he missed an assignment here or just wasn't as
good of a run run defender here. Now now you like,
(18:28):
all right, well, this this little project is over. You
and I both know that that you're right.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
But the answer to your rhetorical question, it is it
depends on what position and where that.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Dude was drafting.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
Depends on where that guy was drafting. Your first round pick,
you get all the chances in the world's going to
get two, three, four opportunities. Perfect example is that a
guy that you know we were talking about doing break before,
Gary Boles, like a guy who struggled early in his
career and figured it out. Yea other if people were
drafted and if he was drafting a different place, I
(19:05):
believe he would have got benched and he would never
have seen the potential that he had. But since he
was their first round pick, they're like, we got We're
going to let this ride out and look what happened.
He turned into a Pro Bowl player and.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Now he holds the record for most starts at left
tackle in franchise history.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Isn't that crazy? So does that make him? Is he?
Is it gonna be a Ring of Famer?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Well that so you're you're leading down the path of
where we were talking about.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
And I started to wonder when I saw that stat
earlier today because he passed Ryan Claty, who started ninety eight.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
So he just got pasted Ryan Claty.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
That's, at that time for me, was the franchise's best
left tackle of all time in my opinion, writing Ryan Claty,
if somebody would have asked me, just point blank, who
do you think is the best left tackle of all
time in the franchise? Said Ryan Claty, I started to wonder.
I was like, Okay, well they just signed a new
contract extension. He's going to play for another three years,
if not more. At what point do we start talking
about Garrett Bowles as a Bronco great.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Does he need more accolades? Does he need more Pro Bowls?
All pros? Does he need more championships?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I think I think public sentiment, I think Garrett would
suffer from there was a stretch of time with his
play that he had. He had a buttload of holding calls,
right and you're out there sort of by yourself, and
the NFL identifies which players get called for holding. And
(20:38):
I think I think there was a time, and I
think Shelby alluded to it where a lot of people
were ready for him to go elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
But to his credit, he's battled back.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
And I mean, maybe maybe there's fans that still have
question marks and maybe they don't like him, but he
he's a good play I mean, he's he is a
good player at left tackle. Now in terms of whether
or not he's going to be like a Ring of
Fame player or what was your hypothetical, like a great
(21:12):
one of.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Them, you know, a Bronco great, beloved Bronco like when
we talk about the best offensive tackles, I mean, of
course he's Zimmerman's a Hall of Famer, Ken Lanier is
one of those guys. I think Tony Jones. You know,
we could go down the list of really great offensive
tackles here.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
So what of all the and I agree with all
the guys you just mentioned, what.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Of all those guys, I'm sure they have more than
one one similar trait, but I can think of one
trait that would apply to Gary Zimmerman, Tony Jones, Ryan Clady,
what you mentioned, Kenny Lanier. Kenny was a great player. Yeah,
(21:53):
their person that they didn't they didn't say very much,
you know, they didn't put themselves out there in the media.
In fact, just the opposite. I mean, nobody really knew.
I mean, like Gary Zimmermann, nobody really knew, and he
wasn't here very long. Great great player, but nobody outside
that locker room really knew much about zim Just really
(22:14):
really quiet player.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Kenny Lanier pretty much the same.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I think his teammates loved him, Garus, I mean Matt
Lepsis in a similar way. I mean, Garrett Bowles has
not been that way, Garrett, Garrett Boles has been out there, right,
and so when you're out there, you know you're gonna
have some people that are like, what the actual hell
are you talking about? So that I mean, he's he's
(22:39):
got a different personality, which has opened the doors from
time to time for him to receive criticism based on
his play.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
To his credit, he really didn't care, you know what
I mean, he didn't let it affect him too much.
He went out there and just kept working. And that's
why I always have to always bring up the Garrett
story because it's a story of perseverance, you know what
I mean, as in all the Tolden calls literally the
minute the flag came out, because it's here holding boo boo,
(23:13):
and you know, it's just for him to be able
to get past that and then have the longevity that
he has had in Denver, like man nuts, it deserves
some recognition, just agree, because he's really been a staple
and he's playing good football.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
He's one of he's one of my.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I mean this should matter in the discussion, but he's
one of my favorite current players.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
He's just he's a good dude. Well also him and
Corlin I played with, so those are my guys, you
know what I mean. And PJ. I love PJ. That's
why I stick up for PJ.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, but I think we have this conversation about what
he is now and what at the end of his career,
assuming he stays with the Broncos for the entirety of it,
which he'll continue to be a left tackle, who can
he'll hold that record for being the longest tenured left
tackle in franchise history. It's one of the most import
positions in football. I mean, it was historically, has been.
Now I think we're starting to recognize that right tackle
(24:06):
needs to be a very good position too, because everybody's
got pass rushers. But left tackle historically is one of
the highest paid, most invested in positions. And here's the
guy that's played his entire career at that position.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
And you're right.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
You know, he's a first rounder, so he had a chance,
and probably more chances early on than maybe a mid
draft pick would have.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
But you're right. He hung in there and he kept
doing it.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
And they did bring in some guys eventually to test
and to push him a little bit.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
They didn't early on.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
And that was always an interesting discussion in Sports Soccer
Radio LAMB because it was like, Okay, well, Garret Bowles
has struggled this last year, We're going to bring it.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
But no, no, no, they like him there. They're not
pushing him.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
And it wasn't until later, but he kept He just
got his third contract with the team, just got another contract.
And honestly, I didn't hear anybody in town, David. I
don't know if you heard anybody in town.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I hear anybody in town saying that was a bad idea.
It had to happen. Yeah, I mean really like almost.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Everybody I heard from was saying, well, then that's great
because now you don't have to go into free agency
or the draft again. So I don't know, man, I
I just think there's a certain amount of what he
is today, and then if you fast forward three years
from now, adds a few more accolades, maybe they add
another championship in the mix, you know, this year, and
then I don't know, maybe why did you.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Give you some not the Cleveland Brown's have something to
say about it. Super Bowl?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah, you know, like George, I'm not talking about the
toilet baby, were about to do this.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
It's like George Castanzas says, you know, it's not a lie.
If you believe it, still can.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Make it a lie.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Make it a lie. No, it's a lie. That's simple.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
It's a lie.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
You know what I would tell most of my kids,
never hear that it's not a lie.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Do you believe it?
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:56):
No kids ever hear that you are fake? Is I've
told my kids that. I say, it's not life. If
you believe it. Okay, Uh jesus, do you actually believe that.
I think there's a lot of people that talk to
themselves into that. No, I do not believe that, thank you, right.
I just think but my kids get it. My kids
get my sense of humor, Thank goodness, I hope. So, yeah,
(26:19):
I was gonna say now that I say that, allow,
they're probably listening like not really.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Wait, They're like, wait, you didn't mean that.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Yeah, I've been living my whole life like this. Anyways,
It's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
And so back to your point about positions on the
Broncos that you really couldn't afford to lose that, Yeah,
I do think that the drop off from starters to
backups most of the time is significant. Across the board.
There's a couple of positions that they're staying at. They
added to them in free agency and draft, but once again,
there's no guarantee whatsoever those guys can come in and
(26:50):
have the same kind of production.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Well, is this also very interesting? And then it will
be interesting to see during camp, you know, just once
again how the young guys, the draft picks and you know,
last year's draft picks kind of integrate with this team.
And figure out their roles within this team and who
will be the surprise guy that kind of jump somebody
because it's always one you know, manly drive a camp
(27:13):
but a surprise guy that play is playing so good
they have to find a way to put them.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
On the field. Somebody's like, Ryan's shame on you.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Your kids are going to remember that, They're going to
use that against you. That's why I just have to
have them watch Seinfeld and then they understand the references.
This is pop culture stuff. You know, you pop culture
stuff all the time around your kids. Man, as long
as they understand the reference awards coming from, then you're good.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Nobody under the age of forty I consistently watched Seinfeld
Sidefeld's awesome, and you know it's funny. I always say
it's to show that doesn't have a point. That's the
beauty of it. It's like South Park. Well, so this show, Yeah,
sometimes we talk about bathroom breaks.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Marble, how that show is able to not only sustain
the success that it did, but also even just come about,
Like you're pitching that show and you're like, it's just
about everyday things.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah, what were you guys leading to it? I don't know,
we have no idea.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
We're just follow these narcissistic people around New York and
see what happens.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Was there ever, actually like a do the episodes actually
go together?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah? Yeah they do.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
And you had Jerry Seinfeld and at the time was
you know, it was pretty much a genius as a
writer and a guy that could do all sorts of
commedy and and he had a great he had a
great supporting cast as well.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
So Seinfelder Curb, which one's better?
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
I love Curb.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
I do too.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I think I like Larry David.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Well, Larry David was very much involved in Seinfeld, So
there's elements of that show. But Larry David is is
you know, first it's not for everybody, but the humor,
the sense of humor that he has and how he
expresses it, I find hilarious.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
I gotta go Curb are Like, that's not even the question.
Curb your enthusiasm is oh good? One of the one
of the funniest shows. I still look at clips to
this day, you know, random random clips to this day
that just pop up on Instagram whatever, and it still
makes me lack laugh, like I've never seen them before.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
That's one of the greatest.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I oftentimes would watch that as I'm kind of winding
down for the night, Like my wife and I'll watch
her show together, and then she wants to fall asleep,
so I'll watch something that I have more interested in.
And that's how, you know, I got through the Sopranos
and all sorts of shows, and I got through Curb
like that. And there'd be sometimes I'm laughing so hard
i wake her up and I'm like, I'm so sorry,
but you I'm gonna rewind this. She's like, it's it's
(29:40):
midnight for trying out loud. I'm like, no, no, no, no,
this was awesome. You have to see this, and I'm
going to reference it tomorrow at breakfast and you're gonna
know one another's reference.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
And then you were telling me. She looks at you
and says, get in bed, Ryan, and that's the end.
That was the end of that. Yeah, my gosh.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
You know, you know, your wife must be a saint,
because if I woke my wife up by laughing at
twelve o'clock and was just like, hey, I remember winding
as he watches, she would have been like, get out
of the room.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Well, you know, Yah, you're right. Ryan wasn't in the room. Yeah,
it was down.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
It is so good though I love Kurbs great five six, six, nineys.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
There was our ka common spirit Hill text line. One
thing I do want to get to and maybe we
ought to talk about this.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
A little bit.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
On the other stide, we have Thomas Harding joining us,
kind of wrapping up the Rockies first half and what
they did in the draft, and we'll come.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Back to this conversation. One thing that was I was
interested in.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
From a player's perspective is we have training camp on
the other side, and oftentimes media members and fans they
get excited about certain things. But I want to know
from the players side of things if it's a big
deal or not a big deal. So, for example, when
you see the offense struggling early on, I think sometimes
we get into I go, oh boy, the offense is
in for a bad season.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Is that a big dealer or not a big deal.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
If you see a quarterback tearing up a defense during
skeleton during sevens does that mean anything?
Speaker 3 (31:02):
So what's it?
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I'll start with you, Dave. What what would you say
when I say, hey, the offense is struggling early on?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
In training camp. Is it a big deal or not a.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Big I've every time you've said that, I've hated it
because I think you can draw no valid conclusions based
on what you see from a from any particular drill
during training camp, because you don't know exactly what they're
trying to accomplish in that drill. They may they may
(31:32):
from time to time for the quarterback be trying to
put him in situations where you know he's he's got
to either check out of something or he's got to
see different.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Sorts of coverages.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I honestly, and I think you can tell when when
two teams work against each other. I think you can
tell a little bit when they run nine on seven
like the Inside Run game. The run fits are important,
pad level and those things. I do think seven on
seven at times from a seven on seven is set
(32:02):
up really for the offense to be better.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
It just is so you can tell a little bit
of a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
You can tell in terms of his accuracy as long
as you know what the receivers are trying to run.
But I just to me, you can't draw any really
significant conclusions until you see him work against another team
in a controlled practice and I do think from time
to time, based on which units are playing. In a
preseason game, you can tell a little bit about a
(32:31):
few things there.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
I think that really you can't see until a preseason
game and then even then maybe to the season, just
because especially with a offense and a quarterback, there's no
threat of getting hit and that will and like it
always takes me back to the Sam Darnold, I'm seeing ghosts.
(32:53):
You don't get that feeling in practice. You will never
get that feeling in practice, even in joint practices, you
will never get hit, and if you do, it's going
to be all out brawl, you know what I mean.
So in that aspect, getting hit as a part of
the game, being able to stand in the pocket and
deliver passes as a part of the game. And so
for offenses, I feel like it's a big deal, especially
(33:14):
for the run game, you're not really getting full strained
until the game, and so until that game, until preseason game,
because I don't care if people say preseason or not.
If you go off there you're trying to embarrass a
person in front of you, because we're not just out
here just to waste time. Like once you get into
(33:34):
groove of things. It's always fighting preseason. Once you get
into groove of things and like all right, your places off,
you're like no, no, no, let me get one more series.
And it's like no, no, no. You know, got to
get the young guys from But that's why I'm a
big believer of you won't be able to tell until
those preseason games when those guys are actually getting hit.
It's live bullets. And that's just because that's football. You
(33:56):
can't have to ass football. It has to be a
full sweet thing and only from both sides of the ball.
So the only way you get that is in a
game a game setting.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Okay, so we'll come back.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
We're gonna check out with Thomas Harding, just get some
thoughts on the Rockies first half and what they did
in the draft. But I do want to ask you
on the other side of that, So what is a
big deal you guys basically told me, Hey, a lot
of the stuff you can miss. I want to know
what you do think, what you as players think is
a big deal coming on of training Campbell get to
that next
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